Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Mathew Howard
I've seen that happen before, but I can't remember what we did to fix it... I think we may have had to replace the radio. I can't remember if it was a PTP or PTMP situation, either... it was a while ago. It might be worth switching it to TDD PTP mode instead, and see if that helps. On Tue, Dec

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Yes de-registering the link does make the link start passing traffic again although it seems a lot shorter lived so far. Only lasted an hour. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 7:56 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/4/18 8:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: It is 18 kW.  Two runs of some pretty large wire.  Maybe #8. Perhaps a pair of 40 amp circuits I think. Yeah that's like 80 amps at 240V. 8 AWG would be correct for 40 amp circuits. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
It is 18 kW. Two runs of some pretty large wire. Maybe #8. Perhaps a pair of 40 amp circuits I think. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 7:24 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit I am looking at various tankless water heaters,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread Robert
I am looking at various tankless water heaters, what amp circuit are you feeding that one with? On 12/4/18 6:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I discovered that the 240 VAC line coupling cap only has about 25% of its rated value.  Most of the voltage was getting dropped by that cap. So once I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
I discovered that the 240 VAC line coupling cap only has about 25% of its rated value. Most of the voltage was getting dropped by that cap. So once I get the replacement part, then the whole circuit can get proper power and we will see what voltages we have at the different places in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread Chuck Macenski
Did you look at REFf with a scope? Is that an oscillator? On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 3:44 PM wrote: > They also have a pair of LEDs in parallel with each other but in series > with the op amp power rail to indicate output. Crazy all over the place. > > *From:* Mark Radabaugh > *Sent:* Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
eptp From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 10:45 AM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues. Are you running in eptp mode or TDD PTP? Or ptmp/wifi Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Mathew Howard
Does it start working again if you just de-register the link, instead of rebooting the radio(s)? On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:33 AM Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > Dave, > > I have not seems like such a strange issue I didn’t have much faith in > tech support. My experience is the list seems to have

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
They also have a pair of LEDs in parallel with each other but in series with the op amp power rail to indicate output. Crazy all over the place. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit Check

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
Negative rail is tied to common ground. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 2:29 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit Check the V- side of the circuit - is it tied to 0v or is that the output?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Check the V- side of the circuit - is it tied to 0v or is that the output? https://www.edn.com/design/analog/4320338/Op-amp-can-source-or-sink-current version (e) looks a bit like what you have and they are using

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
I have spent several hours going over it. I photographed both sides of the board, edge detected the traces, flipped them, made them white and overlaid the component side. Then manually traced them and drew the schematic. The things connected to REF OUT are the inputs of two different op

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Dave
You may be surprised at what you may learn once making contact with them. There are alot of unknowns here so the more you can elaborate on the details of config and such would help the list to define what may be the issue. Also, The cambium forum is a good place to open up for discussion. I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Are you sure you drew it right? It’s not making any sense to me, especially with REF OUT being an output. I see a 3V virtual ground, a 100K positive feedback maybe for hysteresis, but that would assume this opamp is acting as a comparator not a reference generator, and REF OUT would be in

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
Nope. The sensor is a different part of the circuit. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit Seems like one of those resistors is the sensor? To me it looks like the output is going to try to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linear Circuit

2018-12-04 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Seems like one of those resistors is the sensor? To me it looks like the output is going to try to stay just over 3V but will lag ‘ref out’ up or down if there is any voltage on it.I can’t recall if op amps can sink current or not. The wife was annoyed that the contractor blew up the new

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Ryan Ray
Try latest firmware as well 3.5.2 On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:46 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > Are you running in eptp mode or TDD PTP? Or ptmp/wifi > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 10:33 AM

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you running in eptp mode or TDD PTP? Or ptmp/wifi Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 10:33 AM Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > Dave, > > I have not seems like such a strange issue I didn’t have much faith in >

Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

2018-12-04 Thread Adam Moffett
Mules.  I'll have to look into that LOL On 12/4/2018 10:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Ain’t no easy solution to this.  I have one fiber line that goes over the mountains between Telluride and Cortez CO.  Hump everything in.  Splice it on the ground and do show shoes for the slack up on the

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Dave, I have not seems like such a strange issue I didn't have much faith in tech support. My experience is the list seems to have better info on these odd issues. One side of this link requires snow shoes to get to so I am trying to avoid replacement if at all possible. Thanks, Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

2018-12-04 Thread chuck
Ain’t no easy solution to this. I have one fiber line that goes over the mountains between Telluride and Cortez CO. Hump everything in. Splice it on the ground and do show shoes for the slack up on the strand. Hooks, poles, ladders. Mules. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 3,

Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

2018-12-04 Thread Bill Prince
Fields are soft by necessity. Go underground instead of using poles. bp On 12/3/2018 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Come on AFMUG, give me the easy solution! -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] odd Force 200 backhaul issues.

2018-12-04 Thread Dave
Have you placed a support request to cambium yet? https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/ On 12/3/18 7:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Looking to see if anyone has experienced a similar issue to this: We have a force 200 backhaul on a small bridged network. Several times a day now it stops