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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
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Did you notice how all the dishes at the CME have custom Radomes with the
datacenter logo stenciled on them.
On 6/21/2019 8:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Or they could go to the
need a DeLorean.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
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A whole bunch of new microwave dishes on the brand
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> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> I wonder how snow on the cpe antenna will affect things.
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2019 12:16 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.c
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Eric Kuhnke"
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:18:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
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Are you sure about that? Because as of earlier this year the links are
still being put in in Pennsylvania.
On 6/18/19 4:16 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Most
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
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Are you sure about that? Because as of earlier this year the links are still
being put in in Pennsylvania.
On 6/18/19 4:16 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Most serious HFT mo
From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2019 12:16 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are
>> All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
>>
>> That would be per satellite. So it doesn't
; wrote:
I wonder how snow on the cpe antenna will affect things.
*From:* Bill Prince
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That would be pe
ounds like a pretty risky venture, paid for with
> borrowed money. If it wasn’t risky, it wouldn’t be Elon, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwav
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From: Bill
Prince
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60
Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading
Out) | Space
Capt Dan... You got no legs :)
On 6/4/19 8:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Fundamentally except for the quantities. Starlink is putting up almost
as many birds per launch as Iridium put up in total.
bp
On 6/3/2019 7:36 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation
Fundamentally except for the quantities. Starlink is putting up
almost as many birds per launch as Iridium put up in total.
bp
On 6/3/2019 7:36 PM, Lewis Bergman
wrote:
If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation
like SpaceX, Amazon, Googe, Facebook,
> >> etc. would never price below cost to be “disruptive” also seems naïve.
> >>
> >> *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 1, 2019 3:20 PM
> >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> >> *S
If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation the cost should be easily
attainable since it was a public company.
Fundamentally the same network right?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
>
> Only 10 launches a year on F9. Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x
> reuse & refurb
Anyone remember the movie 'Antitrust'? I'm having visions of when they
turned on all the satellites. I'm guessing this will be similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0zkD7uOyco
On 6/3/2019 7:55 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
And with them replaced birds that often it allows them place newer
And with them replaced birds that often it allows them place newer
generation birds faster than the geostate stationary companies.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 8:44 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
>
> Only 10 launches a year on F9. Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x
> reuse & refurb cost). So 1/4b per
Only 10 launches a year on F9. Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x reuse &
refurb cost). So 1/4b per year in launch costs. Assume another 1/4b for the
birds and 1/4b for ops. You've got a world wide network for 3/4b per year.
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:
>
>
Ek. That’s rather expensive.
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have to
> launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
>
>
> bp
>
>
>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> How do you
Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have
to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
bp
On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites? Or do you just let one
fail and send a new one up?
On Jun 3,
How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites? Or do you just let one
fail and send a new one up?
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
> If I don't have to sign a NDA, I'll share what I find out...
>
>> On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> Anyone planning
If I don't have to sign a NDA, I'll share what I find out...
On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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On 6/3/2019 11:47 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 6/3/19 11:33, Bill Prince wrote:
It will be (at least) a year before it is even
On 6/3/19 11:33, Bill Prince wrote:
It will be (at least) a year before it is even semi-operational. My
planning these days doesn't go past "What's for dinner?".
I have no idea what's for dinner except on pizza night.
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It will be (at least) a year before it is even semi-operational. My
planning these days doesn't go past "What's for dinner?".
bp
On 6/3/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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I wonder how snow on the cpe antenna will affect things.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
That would be per satellite. So it doesn't really tell
: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60
Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading
Out) | Space
I
would suspect they are going to have hundreds of earth
, 2019 5:15 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All
Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
There are whole bunches of risk factors.
Assuming the satellite-mesh system works (and that is still an if;
note that this first batch does not include
, right?
From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
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Hammett
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Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
for with borrowed money. If it wasn’t
risky, it wouldn’t be Elon, right?
From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
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I would
turday, June 1, 2019 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000
miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.
bp
On 6/1/2019 10:47
Yeah, I know. And considering that it generally takes a pretty big storm to
take out a geostationary satellite signal, I imagine it won't be too big of
a problem... but I wouldn't be surprised if it did turn out to be a big
problem either.
On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM Bill Prince wrote:
>
also seems naïve.
From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 3:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to
zon, Googe, Facebook,
etc. would never price below cost to be “disruptive” also seems naïve.
*From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
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*To:* af@af.afmug.com
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Prince
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 3:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink
Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space
Sure. But after the clouds, geo
Basically inverse square law - see
http://www.spaceacademy.net.au/spacelink/spcomcalc.htm
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Same amount of clouds tho.
>
> What’s the free space path loss of outer space??
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:20 PM Bill
Same amount of clouds tho.
What’s the free space path loss of outer space??
On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:20 PM Bill Prince wrote:
> Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000
> miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.
>
>
> bp
>
>
>
> On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000
miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.
bp
On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard wrote
Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go
another 23,000 miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.
bp
On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple
hundred
Mmm ... pizza.
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
That is almost exactly word for word how
Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple hundred miles...
On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 AM Bill Prince wrote:
> Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few hundred miles
> up.
>
> bp
>
>
> On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Don't those bands have significant
Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few hundred miles up.
bp
On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with like...
clouds?
On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V
Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with like... clouds?
On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation)
bp
On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Not too many options. It has to be either that or some moving parts.
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
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I presume some kind of pizza box with phased array of patches doing
beam steering.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
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01, 2019 9:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space
Because police radar is now all laser?
On 06/01/2019 07:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
https
Because police radar is now all laser?
On 06/01/2019 07:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation)
bp
On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Wonder what frequencies they will
According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation)
bp
On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza
wrote:
Wonder what frequencies they will use?
Wonder what frequencies they will use?
https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-phone-home-dimming.html
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