[AFMUG] GPS satellite problem emerges as Air Force plans to launch another system - FierceGovernmentIT

2015-03-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
http://www.fiercegovernmentit.com/story/gps-satellite-problem-emerges-air-force-plans-launch-another-system/2015-03-26 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Rf armor - 2ft dish armor

2015-03-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Is there any reason to use the shield kits just for the radome shielding and not the radio housing shielding? I was going to use PTP650's for the radios. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Mathew Howard
It is, anything certified under 15.247 can only only be sold until June 2016, so I'm not sure if anyone is really bothering with it for new stuff at this point... Mimosa didn't, for example. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:33 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Is Part

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Ya... Gave her a refund... But she paid annually. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 10:20 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: How horrible! clearly she deserved a refund... :P On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:17

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Mathew Howard
He seems more like a giant floating head to me... only different. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: lol ok. Is Chairman Wheeler the giant floating head or the little man behind the curtain? On 3/26/2015 9:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe so.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Pretty sure Matt has said that they will go for 15.247/ISM 5.7 on the 450i. Another year is another year. On 3/26/2015 9:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: It is, anything certified under 15.247 can only only be sold until June 2016, so I'm not sure if anyone is really bothering with it for new

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Mathew Howard
How horrible! clearly she deserved a refund... :P On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I had a lady complain she was only getting 9.8 and 1.85 on a 10x2 connection. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Sure wish I was. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 11:44 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: You both forgot the “j/k” at the end. Oh crap, you’re not kidding, are you? *From:* Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
I had a lady complain she was only getting 9.8 and 1.85 on a 10x2 connection. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 10:09 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com wrote: Adam, Had a guy complain because his speed

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Ty Featherling
To paraphrase the movie Clerks, This job would be great if it weren't for the customers. -Ty On Mar 26, 2015 9:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya... Gave her a refund... But she paid annually. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
You both forgot the “j/k” at the end. Oh crap, you’re not kidding, are you? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions I had a lady complain she was only getting 9.8 and 1.85 on a 10x2 connection. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

2015-03-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Has anyone gotten one of these Bison enclosures yet with rails in production that they can share some pics of what theirs looks like with WISP gear in it? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On

Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 backhauls and snow.

2015-03-26 Thread David
I really like the new force dishes for Epmp and that is exactly what we are doing with then by tying the rest of our sites together which will give some more redundancy and a little bandwidth where needed. On 03/25/2015 01:26 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Chuck, How much would it cost to make a

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

2015-03-26 Thread Craig House
I had the same initial complaint I have not yet installed any of them somewhat waiting for that to be fixed I can't imagine it would be that big of a bug fix to show the available APs Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:22, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: There's

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

2015-03-26 Thread Gilbert Gutierrez
I was going to post to the list to ask a question, but when you say no ap list Are you saying no MAC addresses in the ARP table, because that is what I am seeing. The only ARP entry I see is the radio gateway. My customer devices are not showing in the arp table of the subscriber epmp

Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer?

2015-03-26 Thread Glen Waldrop
We have a pretty decent footprint, but the layout of the roads is what gets us. Farthest drive we have is a little over 45 minutes, but the tower is a hair over 12 miles away. I'm reading up on Knight Rider/Dukes of Hazzard tech to hop the river and save myself a half an hour drive.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
There's apparently a bunch of things broken. My complaint was not seeing the APs found after a scan on the monitor wireless page. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 1:19 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez

Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

2015-03-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Welcome to 1999? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:26:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting Yeah, I finally got it figured out. I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

2015-03-26 Thread chuck
Yeah, well... never had to do much myself personally. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting Welcome to 1999? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor GPON ONT POE powered

2015-03-26 Thread Chuck Hogg
Not that I'm aware of. Most of the GPON equipment we have seen requires higher amperage than what CAT5 is really designed for. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The ones I use take about 8 watts. But that is at 12 volts. So pretty high current for CAT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor GPON ONT POE powered

2015-03-26 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
I think all the manufactures units can be powered by the the BBU via a 7 wire cable. We use Zhone and they have a nice little plug in gizmo that we put in the BBU which allows us to run only 2 wires to the outdoor unit, but still get all the BBU statistics. We still have to run two cables, but

Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
That's what minions are for! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting Yeah, well... never had to do much myself personally. From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net Sent:

[AFMUG] OT: 4x4 lighting, electrical, 12VDC

2015-03-26 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com
I plan to buy one of these for my van: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RV83UUG/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1427401116sr=8-2keywords=120W+light+bardpPl=1dpID=41dBdmTXeqLref=plSrchpi=AC_SY200_QL40 Anyone have a suggestion for a box/enclosure to hold a 12-position DC fuse block and some relays? If you

[AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying sucker punch me into saying that I should give them 8-15k per year to rent space on there water tower and where they are

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com
Do the math, if you build a 180' 65G guyed tower or similar how many years does it take to pay off, at 8000 per year? On March 26, 2015 at 4:27 PM Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Bill Prince
Second half of some year I guess. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/26/2015 1:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 455 AP I believe. Next month. Or next year. Mark On 3/26/15 3:12 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: When, if ever, will the 450 be capable of 5.2 or 5.1? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:16 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
And 5.1 rocks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: 5.1 thru 5.8 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: What freq are

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
24v works for all of those but the 320SM, I think? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: It’s time for me to revisit the portable site-survey tool/backpack/fanny

[AFMUG] DirecTV becoming att

2015-03-26 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Curious question... In a lot of town ATT U verse has to pay franchise fees to the town's just like cable does. When they complete their purchase of DirecTV do they get to stop paying all of those franchise fees? I don't believe satellite TV pays any franchise fees? Curious as I sit here

Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer?

2015-03-26 Thread Glen Waldrop
I'll get right on that. lol - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer? I believe simply welding your doors closed and

[AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Joshua Heide
What freq are available in the 5ghz band in USA is it the same for 450 gear where we goet 5.4 and 5.7 freq? Thanks, Josh Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.nethttp://www.velociter.net/

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Paul McCall
Adam, Do you have some pictures of this you could share please? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 2:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool I copied the drill flashlight method

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Brian Meredith
We're just giving our installers one of these with the inverter attachment. Work pretty well. http://www.goalzero.com/p/151/sherpa-50-power-pack On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Adam, Do you have some pictures of this you could share please? Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

2015-03-26 Thread Ty Featherling
Ewww. That blows. The smaller one is still a deal. I found a great 18U INDOOR box with glass door and fans for under $300 I like. I built my first one out and am ordering more. To see an outdoor rated one for near that price is incredible even if it is shorter. -Ty On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:51

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco assist

2015-03-26 Thread Eric Muehleisen
If your switch is running IOS, then write erase. If you have VLAN's then delete flash:vlan.dat On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net wrote: On Thu March 26 2015 13:36, Jaime Solorza wrote: How do you resert a Cisco Catalyst 3560=CG to default? Hmmm, simple answer

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
Here's the spec sheet with part numbers: http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TPS_DC_DC_Converter_Spec_Sheet.pdf Those are the 802.3af models with DC input. There are .3at models alsowhich you need for Telrad CPE btw Adam, The link for the tyconpower product didn�t come through.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Bad SSL cert? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 3:22 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Nevermind http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Status-of-5-1Ghz-for-PMP450/td-p/37344 On Thu, Mar 26,

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

2015-03-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
OK, I knew it was going to be a bit more expensive, but I didn't think it'd be double. It's $768. No way the boss is going for that. On 3/25/2015 8:31 PM, Ty Featherling wrote: How much for that taller one, George? -Ty On Mar 25, 2015 6:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
Noit's located at a company I don't work for anymore :) I haven't built any here yet. If you take the AirGateway out of it's plastic housing, remove the bulb from an 18v dewalt flashlight, and then remove some excess plastic from the flashlight bulb housing, you can *just* fit the

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Eric Muehleisen
When, if ever, will the 450 be capable of 5.2 or 5.1? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: And 5.1 rocks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Be careful of that antenna Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 3:09 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Noit's located at a company I don't work for anymore :) I haven't built any here yet. If you take

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Nevermind http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Status-of-5-1Ghz-for-PMP450/td-p/37344 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: When, if ever, will the 450 be capable of 5.2 or 5.1? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
Oh yeah. Before I built the flashlight kit, I really considered getting one of these Veracity VAD-PS things. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=728216gclid=Cj0KEQjw3M6oBRDnnIywo5i287ABEiQAXRm7S76-Q0qHRUb-o_qn1x-0mocQBMheH7ZK1yBfA761cxsaAnUy8P8HAQQ=is=REGA=details It

[AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Paul McCall
It's time for me to revisit the portable site-survey tool/backpack/fanny pack, etc. Currently we have a small drill battery that fits spade plugs nicely into it, with a wired POE jack (picture shows one using Canopy type POE jack). The goal is to make a more universal POE adapter scenario,

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor GPON ONT POE powered

2015-03-26 Thread Gerard Dupont III
What about something like this? http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=POE-MSPLT-4812 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The ones I use take about 8 watts. But that is at 12 volts. So pretty high current for CAT 5. *From:* CARL PETERSON

Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer?

2015-03-26 Thread Tyler Treat
I believe simply welding your doors closed and installing a CB and dixie horn will solve all your issues. Thanks TT From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:56 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Sean Heskett
5.1 thru 5.8 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: What freq are available in the 5ghz band in USA is it the same for 450 gear where we goet 5.4 and 5.7 freq? Thanks, Josh Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax)

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco assist

2015-03-26 Thread Larry Smith
On Thu March 26 2015 13:36, Jaime Solorza wrote: How do you resert a Cisco Catalyst 3560=CG to default? Hmmm, simple answer clear config all from an enabled login. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Is Part 15.247 cert still available up to June 2nd? On 3/26/2015 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: It would seem they have an incentive to get it through FCC approval before June 2. *From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Ken No I have not asked to be placed on the village agenda for board meeting due to I am trying to figure out how to lay this all out on paper. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
455 AP I believe. Next month. Or next year. Mark On 3/26/15 3:12 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: When, if ever, will the 450 be capable of 5.2 or 5.1? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: And 5.1 rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Have you asked to be put on the agenda for a village board meeting? Have you suggested they send out bids to all the WISPs in the area and take the highest bid? BTW, I wonder if this will get harder with cellcos using LTE-U/LAA-LTE, they may want to add 3.x and 5.x GHz to their list of

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
The population is only “2,687” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower What is the population of the village? From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
James There is really no competition really besides centurylink/TWC but no wisp’s in the area LOL.. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
Apparently we’re stingy. We usually do $1 per foot in free service to their buildings. Depends a lot on what you think the take rate might be though. Sounds like they have Centurylink fiber in the village/city. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Sean Heskett
at $50/mo per subscriber (average internet price, or whatever your average ARPU is) means you would need to have 160 subscribers just to pay the rent. how big is the town, and how many potential subs can this water tower gain you? once you show them those numbers they will usually have an ah ha

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com
8000/mo would be very high even for a rooftop site with extensive use of risers, on top of the tallest Class A office building in a city of 3-4 million. Such as the Columbia Seafirst tower in Seattle. On March 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: I think Sean read

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Craig House
If you agreed to $8000 per year I will come build towers that are 125 feet tall and rent you space on them all day long Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2015, at 15:32, e...@kuhnke-international.com e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Do the math, if you build a 180' 65G guyed tower or

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Erich Kaiser
$200-250/m, do a deal where you can get the same rate on any of their water towers if they have multiple. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Guys This

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Erich Kaiser
Don't do revenue share, it gets to complicated. Do they need Internet at some of their locations, offer a barter for that and a lower rate 100/m. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Tim Reichhart

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
What is the population of the village? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Craig House
We do a lot of that. Depends on how bad we want the tower and what we think it will do for our customer take in the area but we try to stay around 1.00 per foot plus free internet for 2-3 city buildings Craig - Original Message - From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com To:

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Heck I tried to get onto an other village water tower and they wanted like 800+ per month because they used to having cell phone company on there water tower and they are telling me same thing as this village is telling me “doubt if the village council be interested in renting space for that

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Sean The village is only around 2900 and I am thinking maybe 40-50 or more potential subs from this location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com
One of they key messages to remind them of: There are two categories of tenants, generally. First category: Sprint, Verizon, TMobile, etc. Or an ILEC. second category: WISPs If the big name cellular carriers have not already leased space on their water tower, they are highly unlikely

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
James I don’t mind doing 200-250 but when they asking more then that it seems like they arm strong you to giving them more just to rent space for little sectors unlike celluar sectors… Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Chris Fabien
Find another tower or build one. If they have big numbers in their head you're not going to convince them to lease it for a fraction of that. We wasted months working on a village tower here, never got them to understand true value id the space. Years later their tower is still empty. On Mar 26,

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

2015-03-26 Thread Jason McKemie
Is that a custom one? I know they have an engineering fee if you want something they don't currently make, but that only applies to the first unit. On Thursday, March 26, 2015, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: OK, I knew it was going to be a bit more expensive, but

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Erich I offered them 200-250 plus 5% per customer and they told me “I doubt the Village Council would be interested to rent space for $50-$200 per month.” They only have one water tower. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Erich If they are renting fiber from centurylink I highly doubt they net at each location. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Don't do

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
Do you have competition there? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower The population is only “2,687” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Most expensive I have is 100/antenna/month. No more than that IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 26, 2015 5:05 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Erich If they are renting fiber from centurylink I highly doubt

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Paul McCall
Did you use the AirGateway or AirGatewayLR ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool Oh yeah.� Before I built the flashlight kit, I really

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

2015-03-26 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
I don't think so. Looks like something they've already designed and built before. I asked about changing the dimensions of the 013353. He came back with the 014011 alternative which is pretty much the dimensions I asked for. It isn't twice the material so I can't see why it'd be twice the

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Tim Reichhart
Josh I know… and you know what I am up against. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower Most expensive I have is 100/antenna/month. No more

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
The trouble is that having other contracts doesn’t help. We have one that we’re giving a $49 connection to for use of their tower (80’ tower but it’s very wooded) and paying them until they allow us to put the connection in at their office. We’re negotiating with another nearby village who

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread Jay Weekley
$100/month with one free internet connection is common for us. Somewhat more in some areas. Tim Reichhart wrote: Guys This is for the people who is renting space on village/city water tower whats your avg rent or what did you guys agreed on rent? Because I have one village is trying

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

2015-03-26 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com
I think for $750-850 I could built a 2.5' wide, 3.5’ deep, 7.5’ height wood framed, cedar shingled, peaked roof wood structure/cabinet, with four feet to stand on concrete blocks... And put a 42U open frame rack inside it. Rack like this:

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
Tim, If they’re at all reasonable, try showing them the numbers. Estimate on the low side and explain that there’s a ramp up period to get to the 40 customers. Show your ARPU and explain that you also have all of your other cost of doing business. If your ARPU is $50 per month, you’re

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread e...@kuhnke-international.com
If your capacity and network design allow for it, offer them a 100 Mbps dedicated, 5-nines SLA business class connection. That's easily worth 700/mo. Small municipalities use a surprisingly tiny amount of traffic, in a highly cyclic sine wave day and night pattern. I would be surprised if their

Re: [AFMUG] avg rent for village/city water tower

2015-03-26 Thread James Howard
We take pictures of our other towers and show them the sort of antennas we put up. Stress the fact that they can still rent to a cell company too. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] avg

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
AirGateway. On 3/26/2015 5:16 PM, Paul McCall wrote: Did you use the AirGateway or AirGatewayLR ? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

2015-03-26 Thread Dan Sullivan
Hi, A 2.4.1 Beta release will most likely be posted in the next couple of days with these issues repaired. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4

Re: [AFMUG] Battery driven Multi-platform site suvey tool

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
I copied the drill flashlight method that has been posted here before. Except I stuffed the guts of a UBNT air gateway into the light bulb housing on the flashlight. That has 24V PoE out (UBNT polarity) and wifi. We used a cable that crosses the power pairs for Canopy stuff. I epoxied A

[AFMUG] Cisco assist

2015-03-26 Thread Jaime Solorza
How do you resert a Cisco Catalyst 3560=CG to default? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread D. Ryan Spott
How are you monitoring your customers connections? ryan On 3/26/15 3:43 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: I've got a handful of customers that are requesting higher speeds. We currently offer 4Mbps to the customer. Only a few even come close to using that. I've got three towers that don't even hit

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Glen Waldrop
Detail, visually watching bandwidth usage in Winbox. Long term, MT usage graphs. 5 minute average doesn't show the peaks, but when the entire tower doesn't use an average of 4Mbps... - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015

[AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Glen Waldrop
I've got a handful of customers that are requesting higher speeds. We currently offer 4Mbps to the customer. Only a few even come close to using that. I've got three towers that don't even hit 4Mbps on a 5 minute average, much less individual customers. I've got three customers in particular

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Glen Waldrop
I've done that. They're just not big users. They *need* faster just because. I need to upgrade my tower soon, but the rest are well fed and barely eating. I can pull up the usage graphs and see every time I go out onsite or work on someone's computer. The entire tower usage increases

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor GPON ONT POE powered

2015-03-26 Thread Gino Villarini
Just get a 12v poe injector and a splitter? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Mar 26, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.commailto:ger...@shelbybb.com wrote: What about something like this? http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=POE-MSPLT-4812 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Jerry Richardson
Lift your limiters for a night and see what the network does. That will give you an idea of where you need to upgrade You may have a choke point between the AP's and the Internet you aren't aware of so the user traffic is being limited but not in the way you might think. Jerry R

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Chris Fabien
Customers willing to pay more for a big speedtest.net number but who don't use it are your best kind of customers! We sell up to 15 megs right now. I don't think I've ever seen someone with 15megs pegged out continually. We do see customers who max out a 5meg connection, probably streaming video

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread David Milholen
PTP650 already available just by updating to new firmware On 3/26/2015 3:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 455 AP I believe. Next month. Or next year. Mark On 3/26/15 3:12 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: When, if ever, will the 450 be capable of 5.2 or 5.1? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I believe so. Of course you only get a year after that to sell the product. Let’s hope the group presenting the consensus proposal to OET tomorrow has a good meeting. I’m imagining the scene where Dorothy and her friends plead their case before the Great and Powerful Oz. From: George

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Some people want to see a 25/3 speedtest just in case, or because someone told them so, or for bragging rights, or because they think speedtest.net is an epic game. A trend that is annoying me is some guy in the country who doesn’t even know how to turn on a computer has a new girlfriend or

Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
This is probably the pessimist in me speaking, but I was thinking along similar lines. Something they're doing doesn't work, and in their mind speed is the problem. On 3/26/2015 9:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Some people want to see a 25/3 speedtest just in case, or because someone told them

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5ghz band

2015-03-26 Thread Adam Moffett
lol ok. Is Chairman Wheeler the giant floating head or the little man behind the curtain? On 3/26/2015 9:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe so. Of course you only get a year after that to sell the product. Let’s hope the group presenting the consensus proposal to OET tomorrow has a good

Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer?

2015-03-26 Thread Jeremy
One hour. Beyond that I'd likely setup a second office. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:18 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Just curious how far you are willing to have installers drive to install a customer. I know a lot of you have remote sites but what is the

Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer?

2015-03-26 Thread Rory Conaway
3 hours. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the longest you'd drive to install a customer? One hour. Beyond that I'd likely setup a second office. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:18 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting

2015-03-26 Thread chuck
Yeah, I finally got it figured out. I think if you dial into the IP it will only show the master account. But if you hit it via URL it sorts them out correctly. From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Web hosting We have that

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