I thought the FSB came out because lot of people complain on the failures, so
at least in my mind it was related. If it is not then cambium has not
identified at least to us what is the root cause of the problem and it has been
addressed.
They are doing RMA but there is know way 20% failure
Do your SMs hang in REGISTERING or another state? We have SMs on 13.4 stuck on
REGISTERING that only come back by power-cycling them and have a ticket open
with Cambium on it. They’ve acknowledged the issue but haven’t provided even a
beta or test version that might fix it.
Dave
> On Sep 9,
Dave,
The SM’s I’ve had the issue with are connectorized and didn’t have an antenna
attached to them so I’m pretty sure they were not registering. I was at the
base of the tower so I guess anything would be possible. The Radios I
experienced the problem on were either P9 or P10. I did
Yes, I have seen it happening on SMs too.
On 9/10/2015 1:34 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Is this just happening on APs, or is it an issue on SMs too?
Reason I ask, is that I was just looking at an SM that has been on
13.4 for about a month, and shows several watchdog/stack dumps since
that time.
Ok, so ADSS is in between on price. Much cheaper than figure-8, but
similar labor savings.
I was wondering about drop cables though. If I have to cross a couple
of poles to get from a closure to the customer premises, I would have no
problem lashing the drop cable to a figure-8, but could I
Dave,
We had same issue “Registering”, we had to roll back to 13.2.
Tushar
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Sovereen
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 13.4 Firmware on PMP100
Do your SMs hang in REGISTERING or
We've run into things like this before, but between our flow data--seeing
it come in different upstreams, and it being sourced from UDP there's a
good chance that the source IP was spoofed and it was actually coming from
multiple sources->smallish DDoS
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Nate Burke
Josh,
Good question from yesterday as it started an internal discussion. Let me give
some more details as my “No” answer is not as black and white as I indicated.
When running TDD mode based MAC interfaces (e.g. 5 msec, Flexible, and now 2.5
msec), the AP defines the content and timing of
Yup … see them both ways (DOS and DDOS) but as mentioned most times it’s
spoofed
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 12:14 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Strange DOS attack
We've run into things like this
Very interesting...definitely worth knowing. The simple answer is that it
probably won't associate but could which in my experience means it will
leave the SM stranded. It's a simple toggle to different frame size
anyways =)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
I’ll be there! :)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ARIN\NANOG
Who else is going to ARIN\NANOG in Montreal next month?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
That is very good to know. So, since our APs are all on 75/25 and 2.4.3
now, once I upgrade everything to 2.5 and switch to 2.5ms, if I happen to
miss an SM or two, they'll probably still work.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Very
OK, so I am working with a grounding expert today, getting some opinions on a
couple difficult towers, and one of the first suggestions he has for me as I
mention that I am looking to do fiber / DC up this tower is... "Have you
considered going solar up the tower?" (to eliminate power surges
Do you own this tower? I can't imagine what I would charge someone to put a
solar site on one of my towers.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 8:19 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> If you get enough panels and batteries you'll be fine. If you cheap out
> and don't get enough battery
I have a link on 2' Rocket dishes that just runs like crap. Can the AF5x
simply swap in place? I don't need the slant conversion, but is it
required? I thought someone mentioned that the V port of the feedhorn is
in the way of the GPS connector on the radio, or did they change that?
Also, the
But I'm pretty sure 430 is a different pinout than the other Cambiums
stuff, but I don't recall what it is off hand.
In addition, UBNT uses another pinout for airFiber - +(1,2)(4,5),-(7,8)(3,6)
I think SAF uses 802.3at, but I could be remembering that wrong.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:56 PM,
Or build a lift cage out of unistrut and a winch and come along system.
Saw one while back outside an electrical contractor. Thing Big Man Erector
Set...
On Sep 10, 2015 4:12 PM, wrote:
> Reel Trailers.
> Or a reel stand if you are doing it on the cheap. You can weld one up
Here's one that I did a while ago - most standard WISP PoE pinouts
including Cambium, Ubiquiti, Mikrotik, etc.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have a list of PoE pinouts for common radio equipment? I had a
>
If you have an old backhoe tire, you can roll smaller reels off the truck onto
the tire without breaking them. 48” reels max.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Handling big reels
We have a manual tilting reel trailer that we
I would at least allow 7.5W per ePMP radio (specs say 7.5 is typical, can
spike to 10), and 10-15W per 320. Maybe another 5-10w per MT radio. That
would be close to 100W. You don't want to underestimate power consumption.
Regarding your solar question.. I'm not sure, but that sounds like one
If you have a UBNT power supply handy it's printed which pins are which
polarity as do the older style Canopy supplies.
--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107
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From: "Work"
To:
gigabit requires all 8 wires, you need a gige-poe from wbmfg.com to insert
the power
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
> I am trying to power a SAF Lumina Radio with a CMM4 and having the
> following difficulty...
>
> I cannot get
We have a manual tilting reel trailer that we use to transport reels of
fiber or innerduct. For moving them around the yard, our two large plows
have reel carriers so we just pick them up with those. Unloading from a
truck can be tricky sometimes. If stuff is coming on a pallet we order a
liftgate
Power+data on the same wires requires a transformer.
On 9/10/2015 8:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
you would need to use their hermetic thingamajig.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:59 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:
gigabit requires all 8 wires, you need a
In most cases, yes we own the tower.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
Do you own this tower? I can't imagine what I would charge someone to put a
solar site
B standard*
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
wrote:
> Does anyone have a list of PoE pinouts for common radio equipment? I had
> a spreadsheet that I unfortunatly did not save to my network on my
> laptop that had
Just Google it all over the net... Blues and browns are power wires if using M
standard I forget what's -+ and for U MY you just reverse it
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
wrote:
> Does anyone have a list of PoE
I saw this huge reel trailer this morning on the side of the road a couple
miles from my house, with 3 big reels of duct, one in front of the other. I
was thinking WTF? On the way back I saw they were boring and pulling all 3
ducts into the ground. Must have big plans.
From: Jaime Solorza
On 9/10/15 17:22, Chuck McCown wrote:
If you have an old backhoe tire, you can roll smaller reels off the
truck onto the tire without breaking them. 48” reels max.
Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1ZO1cYh5c
AFAIK, the GPS connector didn't move. I'd hose clamp it to the pipe and get
some longer pigtails from Baltic.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "George
You are correct on your calculations… my spreadsheet formula was wrong ☺ I
just came up with 104 watts.
I will ask the question naively.. why would you expect a headache? Isn’t
solar tried and true these days?
I am dealing with every aspect of surge protection I possibly can at every
level
If you are just looking for AC power isolation, then why not just a bank of
batteries charged by grid power? This would isolate you from powerline
surges. Cell sites have been running this way since the beginning of time.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
Currently the CMM4 doesnt support GigE
I want my MTV! or CMM5 will do :)
On 9/10/2015 4:39 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:
I am trying to power a SAF Lumina Radio with a CMM4 and having the
following difficulty...
I cannot get the radio to negotiate 1Gbps.
I have made a custom cable
Yeah, it is different.
They put + and - on (4,5) as well as on (7,8).
I don’t recall if 4 is positive or negative. (same thing for 7)
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:14 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Pinouts
But I'm pretty sure 430 is a different pinout than
If you get enough panels and batteries you'll be fine. If you cheap out
and don't get enough battery run time you'll hate yourself. You're in
Florida so I think with the lack of winter and a proper budget (batteries)
you'll have no problems.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct:
UBNT is 4,5(+) 7,8(-)
CAMB is 4,5(-) 7,8(+)
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MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
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- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:54:54 PM
Subject:
Reel Trailers.
Or a reel stand if you are doing it on the cheap. You can weld one up out
of angle iron and put it on the back of a flat bed truck or trailer.
Yes, you normally need a forklift too.
-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To:
you would need to use their hermetic thingamajig.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:59 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> gigabit requires all 8 wires, you need a gige-poe from wbmfg.com to
> insert the power
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
>
+1 what Mike said
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> AFAIK, the GPS connector didn't move. I'd hose clamp it to the pipe and
> get some longer pigtails from
I forgot you are in Florida where there is never enough protection. That's
a place where I think I would experiment with floating the ground if I
could.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Or run 48 VDC up the tower and put a Mean Well RSD up there.
>
> A few
LOL !!
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 12:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: a new one, I think...
You could add solar to the generator. Lots of folks do a mixed system like
that in off grid situations.
Here is
I've used forklifts with extensions to unload them from the trailer, then a
reel trailer to transport them. I've never seen a reel trailer that will
lift up to tractor trailer height, even if they existed you'd still have no
way to get it to catch - I'm calling BS on that one.
On Thu, Sep 10,
I thought about that too. Good to know that will work. I'd like to keep
the existing UBNT pigtails with the silicone boots to make swapping the
radios over as fast as possible (no weather sealing).
On 9/10/2015 9:46 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
FWIW I had to get a 90deg SMA connector so the GPS
What you are seeing (improvements) is a combination of a better radio (epmp)
and the effect of GPS sync radios in a low to mild interference environment..
You will see such improvements thruout.. unless you run into heavy interference
or another GPS radio (out of sync) operating on that
“Bad things can pass transformers”, meaning pass isolation transformers as well?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
The transformer on the top of the pole can be
I recall that being said. You meant motor generator meaning NOT A/C power
right ? meaning, NOT coming in from the power pole?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
You could add solar to the generator. Lots of folks do a mixed system like
that in off grid situations.
Here is one, put a pulley at the top and bottom of the tower. Connect the
pulleys with a nylon rope. Power the bottom with a motor and put a generator
at the top!
In addition to
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits=500=N_id=cylpXB3%2F9tJE%2Fh%2F0XseSFA%3D%3D_id=Z8H89FT0019
The same indian RF testing lab. This one says manufacturer Cambium instead
of Gemtek (ChangSHU Co). Pretty impressive that tiny board can do 30dbm tx
power and
Being that we're talking about NLOS, I wonder if it's differences in how
ePMP deals with multipath or something like that.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
> These are both NLOS links [which ePMP appears to handle better]. The
> throughput
and they had a licensed link at one point.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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From: "Ken Hohhof"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September
That's not what he meant by isolating the batteries from grid surges.
Isolators come in all sizes and flavors. You remember the picture of
system at Dell City I posted last week. It isolates grid power from the
components which receive clean balanced and condition power. Solar is
becoming
Ok, got it. I am not sure how practical that would be..hmmm, something
else to think about, LOL ☺
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
AC from the pole
OK. That makes sense. Will cycle the batteries more often of course.
That goes in the consideration pile too now ☺
Solar seems to be less practical possibly than was expressed to me by the
consultant today.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday,
Or run 48 VDC up the tower and put a Mean Well RSD up there.
A few years back, a WISP near here had a solar site up on a water tank. Every
year they added more panels, and they never had enough. It got pretty
ridiculous looking with all those solar panels hanging off the railing around
the
We have floated the ground on a few towers in the past with mixed results. When
I was thinking of this “no power up the tower” consideration, isolating all
equipment mounts from the tower also came to mind. We have used rubber to do
that before when we were also experimenting with floating the
Use Forrest’s generator controller and telemetry to automatically start the
generator when battery voltage got down to 47 volts. Charge until the current
drops down to a a half amp more than the load or something like that.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:55 PM
To:
We charge our batteries now and a 24v array using a Samlex charger. But, that
doesn’t isolate it from grid power. The charger (powered by 110) 24v output
goes to the same “bus” that feeds the batteries. So, BOTH charger output and
battery output are “on” at the same time.
I asked here last
Ken,
This is exactly the other option we are considering. 48v (or 24v, since we
already have 24v as the standard in our network) up the tower, with Transector
protectors on each end, and a RSD to provide some isolation after that.
The solar consideration just came into view today, and I
You could have a propane generator charge the batts for a hour or two each day.
Put it on a timer. Probably be less cost and more reliable than solar.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
Yep.
Where in line to use it? We haven’t had great luck with placing those at the
start of the AC path.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
Why don't you use an
AC from the pole running the motor.
That mechanically turns the DC generator or an AC alternator the feeds your
power supply.
You could even have a dielectric union in the shaft between the two. I cannot
imagine much more isolation.
Phone companies used to have a basement room full of
Yep. Transformers pass pulses pretty well. If you get a common mode choke it
helps.
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
“Bad things can pass transformers”, meaning pass isolation transformers as well?
>>> Rocket dishes that just runs like crap.
You should try to figure out as to Why this link is running like crap
Is it due to dirty channel or something else ?
If you take a poor preforming RM5 and put an AF5x on that same channel, don't
expect magic to happen.
If you have a nice clean
These are both NLOS links [which ePMP appears to handle better]. The
throughput increase may not have been as great if the links were LOS.
On the link I switched today, I was averaging around 7.5 Mbps one-way with
the Rocket M2 right before switching. After switching to ePMP, one-way
tests were
Oh, I don't know... I changed a Rocket link that ran like crap to AF5x, and
it worked just fine...
You can power it off just two pairs, but supposedly they need all four if
it's a long cable run - I have one running on about 80' of cable on two
pairs with no problems.
+another to what Mike said.
The transformer on the top of the pole can be considered an isolation
transformer.
The transformer in the rectifier/charger can be considered an isolation
transformer.
Bad things can pass transformers.
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re:
Motor generator.
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a new one, I think...
We charge our batteries now and a 24v array using a Samlex charger. But, that
doesn’t isolate it from grid power. The charger (powered by 110) 24v output
I recall the surge protection device display in the pic, but don’t recall a
description of isolating from the grid. How do you do that exactly? In
concert with our changes, I still would like to have everything in the tower
shed/box running only off the batter array (isolated from the
The signals are probably accurate. The additional throughput is also
accurate.
I don't know why, but anything ePMP in 2.4 is VASTLY weaker than Ubnt in
2.4.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:06 PM,
Keep in mind the gain on the Force110 is better than the Powerbeam5-400 by
something like 1.5db (though both are labeled 25dbi).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mathew Howard
If you have any working Low radios or a complete link for sale, please
email me off list at a...@zirkel.us
Thank you!
I just changed two low bandwidth 5 MHz width PTP links from Rocket M2
radios to ePMP 2.4 GHz non-sync radios. The "signal strength" is about 10
dB lower with the ePMP radios. Do they use a different mechanism to
calculate signal strength?
Link 1:
- 2x Rocket Dish RD-2G24
- Antennas were
I've seen trees held up by ADSS.
Regards,
Chuck
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> And another thing: without a steel messenger, is it more vulnerable to
> being broken? I'm thinking of falling tree limbs, etc.
>
>
> On 9/10/2015 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett
I don't know about 2.4ghz, since I really haven't done anything with 2.4ghz
ePMP, but with 5ghz links I've swapped from UBNT, the signal has always
been as good or better with ePMP.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
> I just changed two low
I am not sure why the signals would read differently, but i'm curious
how you arrived at the 60 to 70% throughput increase.
Other than the ability to sync, I thought the main difference between
UBNT's M series and ePMP was the user interface??
On 9/10/2015 2:06 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
I
If we can believe Cambium, they have quite a bit more secret sauce
than just the GUI.
On 9/10/2015 3:18 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
I am not sure why the signals would read differently, but i'm curious
how you arrived at the 60 to 70% throughput increase.
Other than the ability to sync, I
There's no doubt about it, it's clear fact.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sep 10, 2015 3:49 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote:
> If we can believe Cambium, they have quite a bit more secret sauce than
> just the
Does anyone have a list of PoE pinouts for common radio equipment? I had
a spreadsheet that I unfortunatly did not save to my network on my
laptop that had its hard drive fail. Specifically, I am looking for the
pinouts of Cambium 430 gear and SAF PtoP radios.
Gilbert
Did u turn the power up on the epmp ptp links or is it @ default.
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>From: Josh Luthman[mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: 9/10/2015 3:53:39 PM
To : af@afmug.com
Cc :
Subject : RE: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT vs ePMP Signal Strength?
There's no
I think the cable is strong enough to support that, I would think that you
would have to use something plastic/non-abrasive (like zip-ties) to attach
the drop cables to the ADSS. I find it simpler to just put a splice case at
every pole that I need to make a drop or multiple drops from.
On Thu,
Yeah, which is probably why they're typically slightly stronger.
PowerBeam M2's consistently get about 3db better than NanoBeam M2's, even
though they're both supposed to be 18dbi antennas... which makes me think
the ePMP numbers might actually be more accurate.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:17 PM,
Is this just happening on APs, or is it an issue on SMs too?
Reason I ask, is that I was just looking at an SM that has been on 13.4
for about a month, and shows several watchdog/stack dumps since that
time. It's been running clean for the last 10 days though...
bp
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