[AFMUG] EPMP Force 200, Buy only the Radio

[Nate Burke]

We're getting enough F200 radios in the air now that we are starting to 
have some failures, mostly storm related.  We just change the radio 
unit, since alignment is all done.  So I'm ending up with all these F200 
dish parts sitting on the shelf that have no use.  Is anyone selling 
just the F200 radio unit?

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Nate Burke]

I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my 
mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.


I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one of 
those up and see how it works.


On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years 
ago, it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, 
rain, drops, left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd 
battery, fourth keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has 
serial port. Price could have been less but I wanted the biggest 
processor because at the time I was running multiple VMs.


Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The 
keys fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but 
God only knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.


Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to 
connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has allowed me to do 99 
percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our base config to dump in, 
we can test, allocate and finalize a customers installation directly 
from the top of their tower.


On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the
dust on
an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one
minute,
then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle
everywhere.
Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas
bag
for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life
are
very nice as well.

It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it
does is
program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.

The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11" Thinkpad is
~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago.  I also
don't like that all the connections are on the sides of machines now,
instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console with
things
connected, that makes it a lot wider.  The Thinkpads also specify
that
they have an 'Anti-glare' Screen.  Would that make it easier or
harder
to see outside?

Is there a brand or Type that I missed?  $700 for a field laptop is a
little more than I'd like to spend for something that has to survive
field work.  Although the $170 unit has worked just fine in these
conditions for several years.

[AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Nate Burke]

The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on 
an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute, 
then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of 
course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd 
really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.  
Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag 
for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are 
very nice as well.


It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is 
program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.


The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the 
Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11" Thinkpad is 
~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago.  I also 
don't like that all the connections are on the sides of machines now, 
instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console with things 
connected, that makes it a lot wider.  The Thinkpads also specify that 
they have an 'Anti-glare' Screen.  Would that make it easier or harder 
to see outside?


Is there a brand or Type that I missed?  $700 for a field laptop is a 
little more than I'd like to spend for something that has to survive 
field work.  Although the $170 unit has worked just fine in these 
conditions for several years.

[AFMUG] New 450 Failure state

[Nate Burke]

Just ran into this scenario this morning.  It's a new one to me. 450 
5ghz SM.  The Radio thinks it has a default plug inserted.  This is what 
we've all seen before, here's the new part - if you power it down for 5 
minutes, then it will then boot up normally.  Any powercycle shorter 
than that, or a webpage reboot, and it thinks the default plug is in again.


We didn't want to install this customer since the radio needed to go on 
top of an abandoned 80' concrete silo with no ladder.  "No Problem" the 
customer says, "I own a 100' Bucket truck that can reach the top of 
it!",  "Yes, but maintenance will be impossible if the truck breaks 
down", "The Truck is Fine, I'll fix any problems, and I own it!"  Of 
course, he then promptly forgot our warnings about the inaccessibility 
of the radio, and sold the truck.  I told him he better hope that the 5 
minute powering off trick keeps working.

Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Nate Burke]

I don't have that exact tester, but one similar.  I'll see what the 
batteries do.


On 5/2/2018 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/OTC-3181-Heavy-Duty-Battery-Tester/dp/B000O3U2UQ/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1525276929&sr=8-7&keywords=battery+load+tester 



On 5/2/18 8:43 AM, David Coudron wrote:
It's funny that you should mention the boats.   That is exactly what 
I was thinking about.   We have had a couple of instances where the 
battery of a boat was submerged for whatever reason.   Not only was 
the battery fine long term, but in some cases there were electrical 
devices that were still functioning.


My very anecdotal and non-scientific answer is that if the battery 
still shows a good charge when you check it out, it will probably be 
fine long term.


David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
  Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, 
MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 
612-454-1545




-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

You sink a lot of boats?  Are you a pirate perhaps?


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/2/2018 11:25:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


pure water doesn't conduct electricity...  I have watched boats sinking
with the lights on all the way till the water turbidity obscured the
lights 30-40 feet down...

On 5/2/18 8:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Wouldn't there be a dead short across the wet terminals?
I suppose all the heat would go into the water in that case.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 5/2/2018 10:39:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water


Their vent valves are one way check valves so it is probably just
fine.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, May 2,
2018 6:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries
and Water I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to
a water main break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are
toast, but would the 100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good? I haven't
had a chance to put a voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could
they be 'trusted' since they were fully submerged for several hours?

Nate

[AFMUG] Sealed AGM Batteries and Water

[Nate Burke]

I had an equipment box that got completely submerged due to a water main 
break.  All the equipment like routers and UPS are toast, but would the 
100+ AH AGM Batteries still be good?  I haven't had a chance to put a 
voltmeter or anything on them yet, but could they be 'trusted' since 
they were fully submerged for several hours?


Nate

[AFMUG] Cradlepoint Devices or multi-cell Hotspot

[Nate Burke]

So the boss is getting ready to take a road trip, It's vital important 
that he remain continually connected (his words), I believe what he 
meant to say is, 'I want to watch netflix every night at the 
campground'.  We have Verizon, but it doesn't work everywhere, I was in 
a campground in southern Indiana last year with no service, but I think 
sprint or AT&T were working fine.  I've never used one, but I thought 
one of the advantages to having a cradepoint device was that you could 
throw multiple SIM cards in it, and it would automagically switch 
between carriers.  Looking through the cradepoint section over at 
Baltic, it looks like there are a bunch of models now, and you buy for a 
carrier.  What would be nice is to have a Verizon+another carrier, with 
built in WIFI and the option for some external antennas all in a nice 
package.  The data path would prefer Verizon, but would switch to 
carrier 2 if Verizon is not available.Preferably without him have to 
call tech support (me) every night to get it working.


It looks like there is an AER3100 coming out that supports dual modems 
with built in wifi.  is it replacing something else?  Is there a cheaper 
version?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

[Nate Burke]

I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, permanently 
alters the brain chemistry.  So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and why 
it's so addictive.


On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me.  I like 
those too much.


Chuck McCown wrote:
If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they are 
dissolved in hot water...

Not really clear what they mean by bath salts.

I was prescribed Xanax once.  Made me sleepy.
Pot was not my thing back in the 70s...
(I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, Henry 
Winehards Private Reserve...)


Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly 
addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked.
I guess it is a version of speed.  But no direct experience with that 
either.  Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race.

Coke Zero does that enough for me.

My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries 
(decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into her 
vertebrae).

But she didn't get hooked.  Claimed it worked really well.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents

I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound like fun
and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows.  Granted, all I know about
bath salts are the videos I've come across.

Steve Jones wrote:
They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, 16 
doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath salts. 
other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of meth 
charges.

fucking bath salts

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave > wrote:


I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned that Every
vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or paraphernalia
in it.
Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble become
demented.
A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not meant
to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is some
truth to that.



On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I deal with
almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law
enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them tells me
that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they put at
about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that should
probably be castrated upon a verdict.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I had a similar situation.  Rather my wife did.  We took the
kids in (her sister�s kids).
Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc.
One of the parents got them back for a while, then the other.
Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�.  They are all
grown up with grandkids of their own now.
One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not turned
out so well.
The world needs standup guys like you.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So like 7
years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well
fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. We
fostered them for a year and half while her brother and baby
momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 month old
at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping rig
with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and the toes
locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and out til
his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, but it
was just something going back. The 4 year old you couldbt
understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so they
never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was the
least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady,
a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom.
Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house for room,
and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The old
ladies brother never did what he was supposed to.
Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms)
funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for selling
fucking meth
So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had to be
late dealing with the child services people. Get all that
squared away, get through the funeral and now find out we
also get the joy of headlice.
Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this shit to
kids, theyre not just a thing you have while

[AFMUG] OT: IM Services

[Nate Burke]

With the demise of AIM, and not being on any social media sites, what's 
available for Instant messaging apps these days?  Basically so I can 
send the boss Hyperlinks without having to do everything through email 
while we're on an intercom call.It looks like Trillian.im offers a 
service that is ad free for $2/user/mo  But I thought I saw that there 
was a $10 minimum somewhere.


Nate

[AFMUG] IPhones and 2/5ghz WIFI

[Nate Burke]

I'm trying to track down an issue at one of my customers.  Some Iphones 
are having a hard time connecting to Xclaim APs.  When I look at the 
connected client list, it shows the IPhones connected to both the 2ghz 
and 5ghz RF on the AP with the same client MAC address, very good signal 
levels on each.  The Mikrotik handing out the DHCP Leases errors out 
saying 'offering DHCP lease without success'  I'm guessing since the 
same MAC is showing up in the AP twice that a bridge table is getting 
confused.  Is this an issue with Iphones?  I would think the phone would 
be smart enough to choose one or the other, not both at the same time.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move

[Nate Burke]

Put it back thew way it was and say you don't know why it stopped working.

On 3/30/2018 9:44 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I probably could that would be interesting if i called tech support 
and said i tried moving the fiber now it dont work.


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Chris Fabien > wrote:


Can you just move it yourself? We have done that before.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:41 AM Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Has anyone had to move their demarc locaiton in a building for
the spectrum/time warner fiber service and what was the
process like? Did they charge you for the move of the demarc
spot? How much of a PITA was it to move it?

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Nate Burke]

Like i said, it was a stupid idea.  I'm all on board the fiber train, 
but having had some rodent just eat through the fiber cable going to the 
top (on the tower side of the service loop), I was longing for something 
that I could just patch back together.



On 3/29/2018 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to 
Ethernet cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.


Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power
up the tower and not use anything conductive for data.



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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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*From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel,
and
train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power
and data
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing
the
power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
installation.

http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0

So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why
are we
still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective,
using
coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to
terminate
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips. Cheap cheap
cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios. 
Obviously a
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine. Instead of
having to
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a
tower,
just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.

Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing. Docsis
version
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP
Clusters for
at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for
the
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding
splitters
and radios until you run out of power budget.

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure
why.
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So
vendor
Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

Nate

[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Nate Burke]

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the 
Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and 
train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These 
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data 
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the 
power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical 
installation. 
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0


So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we 
still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a 
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using 
coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate 
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are 
inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap 
cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that 
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a 
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or 
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to 
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower, 
just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.


Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too 
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version 
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync, 
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for 
at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison  
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax 
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the 
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters 
and radios until you run out of power budget.


It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.  
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but 
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor 
Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buttset recommendations

[Nate Burke]

I've been happy with my Monoprice one.

On 3/27/2018 11:22 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I need a new buttset and am looking for recommendations.  It doesn't 
have to be top of the line and my last used Ebay unit failed me at a 
very inopportune time so I'm looking for something new though not 
necessarily top of the line.

[AFMUG] Does anyone Service the Greater Wilmington, NC area?

[Nate Burke]

A radio station engineer we've worked with for years is moving somewhere 
around Wilmington, NC and was wondering what his WISP options are for 
his house (which is not located yet), but most likely will be rural 
probably 20-30 min away from Wilmington.  This appears to be a somewhat 
mountainous area, he is well familiar with how the RF Propagates and 
will depend on where towers are at if he can get connection.  Apparently 
there is a 'Wisp Salon & Spa' in Wilmington, so Google is skewed with 
those results.


Let me know if you're around there, and I'll send your info over to him.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Nate Burke]

Ok, I must be late to the party, what's the deal with silicone caulk?  
Like RTV silicone?  What do you use instead, and why don't you like it.


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


silicone grease or caulk?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light
aluminum j arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened
the hose clamp and it failed. Im coming across flapping cable,
cable down inside the gutters, cable laid across the dirt. DS
mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is silicone on
my F&@&ing network again, I banned that stuff years ago
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before
sending them out on their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people do three times as much
work to do something wrong, which then falls apart a
month later, as it would've taken to just do it right?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones
 wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i
have come across
the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they
actually took the mount out of plumb and fastened it
crooked




-- 

Re: [AFMUG] WispAmerica AF11x to Remec adapter

[Nate Burke]

Price, and how do we order them?  Are those Customer Jumpers, or N to 
N?  What are the weatherproofing options?


On 3/6/2018 9:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Booth was extra hard to set up our display.

Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Nate Burke]

I have not changed to file stream, but I'm reading this as it will only 
go on the C: drive and you can't change it.  So if you have a small C 
drive, or are almost out of space, you're SOL.


On 3/1/2018 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) 
are the same.


Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream

I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file 
stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am 
trying to undo this.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Nate Burke]

Not sure what you mean by Hitless, but I've never had a problem with 
things rebooting when switching on/off battery.   We ran into an 
instance at one of our sites where the power company had 2 HV wires 
before the transformer that were bouncing into each other.  Caused 
multiple power issues per second (the fluorescent lights in the building 
were acting like strobes)  The UPS didn't seem to care, and none of the 
equipment rebooted.


On 2/21/2018 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message----- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Nate Burke]

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or 
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V 
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source 
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not 
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the 
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for 
different equipment.


On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Nate Burke]

"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for 
tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email 
that I sent her?"


"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I 
can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"


"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support 
time, even to tell them "No, go away"


On 2/21/2018 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up 
correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required 
settings.


It really isn't that complicated.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Jeremy" mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to 
customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from 
our in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due 
to the amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every 
year.  I would never even consider going back to providing email, and 
we are considering cancelling these ten.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:


We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number 
of servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers 
physically go down and nothing stops working.  We also backup 
everything on a daily basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but 
goes down from there as the scale increases.   We offer secure 
webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All 
of our pricing is here 
.https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in 
case someone wanted to know or wished us to host it. JJust a FYI.


Dennis Burgess

www.linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 x103 
 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
*On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found 
they would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started 
fleeing when i required $20 a month paid annually.


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na
inexpensivish rate and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we
should, we set it at 5 bucks a box per month with required annual
payment if you want to keep your email after leaving our service.
Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising number
keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup
customers that churn cash with zero support each month.

On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" mailto:la...@serverplus.com>> wrote:

We have lots of ISPs that outsource email host

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Nate Burke]

It's expensive (now) but Icewarp mail server has just worked for us for 
like 15 years.


On 2/20/2018 10:34 AM, Matt wrote:

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what
platforms are you using?

[AFMUG] In Mikrotik is a MHZ a MHZ?

[Nate Burke]

When comparing Mikrotik capability, is a MHZ a MHZ.  I.E. For a single 
CPU application, like a bandwidth test or Interface bridging.  Will a 
x86 CPU at 1000mhz perform the same as a CCR CPU at 1000mhz?  I have 
some older ATOM based routers that are 2 core hyperthreaded at 1.6 ghz.  
I'm trying to figure out if they can route packets faster or slower than 
a CCR1009.  Especially bridging an EoIP Tunnel to an Ethernet interface.

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Nate Burke]

Maybe that was the difference, They said it had a bad OMU, but the ODU 
was fine.  $3450 to replace it, I declined.


On 2/14/2018 9:55 AM, Jeremy wrote:
My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec 
heads, even at MSRP.


On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just
sent an Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They
said they couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a
new one at full MSRP.  But yes, almost everyone is gone from
Trango.  The person I was initially working with on the repair was
gone from Trango by the time I actually sent the radio in.

On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:

On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty
much out of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA
onlylikely for a limited time.  Just tried to get radios for
a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT -
This should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later about the
animal farm attitude or nature of what had
happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.
Something like that...too many Tecates since then but
it's my reality and you all just live in it ..
thinking of giving up Lent for Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm
getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email
bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid:
motor...@part-15.org <mailto:motor...@part-15.org>

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit
*To:* motor...@part-15.org
<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
on the Trango List
LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to
a forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org
<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org>
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be
on the Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread
like this starts up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then
dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is
necessary, but the
community/list will live on in whatever form
(hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org
<mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org>
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
<mailto:motor...@part-15.org>
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
t

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Nate Burke]

They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they 
couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full 
MSRP.  But yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was 
initially working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I 
actually sent the radio in.


On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out 
of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a 
limited time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing 
linkno dice.


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Nah.  Just funnin ya

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

No way
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This
should be on the Trango List
...someone say Lents ending?
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I remember that and made some comment later about the
animal farm attitude or nature of what had happened...
Chuck ran with it and AFMUG was born.  Something like
that...too many Tecates since then but it's my reality and
you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for
Lent tomorrow...

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
 wrote:

is this the one?
a few messages later i see messages like this -
*To:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Part-15 list

Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm
getting bounce messages when
I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email
bullit directly.

Here is the message:
Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org

---
- Original Message -
*From:* Bullit
*To:* motor...@part-15.org
*Sent:* Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on
the Trango List
LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a
forum. I'll commend you
on your steadfast devotion.

Michael

-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the
Trango List

Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like
this starts up I just
read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.

So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary,
but the
community/list will live on in whatever form
(hopefully a forum mode
next time, LOL!)



-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Bullit
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the
Trango List

Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG 
and you all can do whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support
PART-15.ORG  then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere
else because
PART-15.ORG  will just fade away
which appears to be what you guys want
and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu
would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG
 maybe he could get back on the
lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as
I'm concerned.
They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG 
so why the hell should I let them in
for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folk

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Nate Burke]

'Firmware Updates'  Are you talking about BIOS updates?  Wouldn't all 
other updates be in the OS, that is vendor agnostic?  Or am I missing 
something.  Are BIOS updates a big thing in the server world?  I can't 
remember the last time I actually did a BIOS update.


On 2/6/2018 2:51 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

I didn't know that.

Most of my servers are not public facing, mainly for "in house" use.  There 
must be a way to get the firmware if you need it?... there always is.

Cheers,
  
Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
  
Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
  
  
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On 2018-02-06, 3:42 PM, "Af on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:


 
 NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract..

 they did this back in 2014 !
 
 Regards
 
 Faisal Imtiaz

 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net
 
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 - Original Message -

 > From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:34:14 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
 
 > I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

 >
 > You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?
 >
 > I can believe that.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
 >
 > In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, 
before
 > you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
 >
 > :)
 >
 > Regards.
 >
 > Faisal Imtiaz
 > Snappy Internet & Telecom
 > http://www.snappytelecom.net
 >
 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 >
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 >
 > - Original Message -
 >> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
 >> To: af@afmug.com
 >> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
 >
 >> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
 >> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
 >> Lots of reputable sellers.
 >>
 >> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
 >> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
 >> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
 >> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.
 >>
 >> Cheers,
 >>
 >> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
 >> Silo Wireless Inc.
 >> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
 >> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless |
 >> Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
 >>
 >> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
 >> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
 >> WISPA http://wispa.org
 >> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
 >> Paris Chamber of Commerce
 >> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Nate Burke]

"I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room 
(four 8 – 18 yr old boys, lol!)"


Whenever I'm ask how to keep kids from goofing off on the computer, my 
response is always the same.  Put the Computer(s) in the most high 
traffic room of the house, facing into the room.


On 2/6/2018 11:59 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I like those comments.

Went they first passed a form of this, I asked their task group to 
send me “the list”.


They couldn’t do it, and therefore it was not enforceable.

I’m thinking again, unless a state provides “the list”, they can’t 
force an ISP to do anything about it.


Plus it’s entirely fruitless.

They should really go after the content provider networks with better 
abilities to code protect and lock down content.


Like culinary water, I would like to have something potable for my kids.

But I don’t want the overhead as an ISP, and the definition of 
“potable” water is undefinable really.


They need to leave the “pipe” alone, and focus on the ends, the third 
party filters is where it’s at, and the CDN’s providing better tools.


I can’t properly filter, or code protect even my Netflix on most devices.

I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room 
(four 8 – 18 yr old boys, lol!) and use Qustodio where possible.


As it is, I’ve had to lock down most stuff to either ON or OFF and I 
took back the smartphone my oldest had because of this.


Now he has a flip phone with no internet.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the 
legislative working group:


(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).

Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same 
to us whether it is porn or online banking.


Do we also block Bit Torrent?

XBox Grand Theft Auto

Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?

All game servers

Twitter

Instagram

Youtube

News outlets

Facebook

Email

Instant messaging

Periscope

Streaming

FTP

IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn 
via pings if I wanted.


What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible 
readings?  Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.


Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?

Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.

Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.

For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are 
gimmicks.  Snake oil.


But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

[AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Nate Burke]

I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in 
the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single 
physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup 
new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.  
Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or 
just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS, 
or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does 
it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years 
ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of 
resources to add new VM's to it.


It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no 
HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range 
for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it 
anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to 
the network and be done?

Re: [AFMUG] blocking

[Nate Burke]

If the ISP Is required to run it's own filtering, without a 3rd party, 
also be prepared for the increase of staff and their counseling needs.  
I was just trying to find it, but my Googleskillz are failing me 
presently.  I remember reading an article where it was talking about a 
content blocking company, the Employee turnover rate was extremely high, 
and many required counseling after leaving the job because of what they 
saw while determining if content should be blocked.


On 2/6/2018 10:09 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The proposed solution is that any ISP over 500 customers has to 
provide some kind of blocking technology to prevent harm to minors.  
And it cannot be a 3rd party solution.
I want to come up with an exhaustive list of all the potential ways 
minors can select harmful things on the internet.  There is more than 
just web pages out there.

*From:* Zach Underwood
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] blocking
Are you talking about 
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/states-introduce-dubious-legislation-ransom-internet 
this style of blocking?
If you are talking about that style of blocking then as ISP we fight 
this as it is not the ISP job to block.
If someone wants to block this type of content when the parent should 
be in change of installing blocking software and picking what should 
be blocked.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:48 AM,  wrote:

I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking
again.  But they are not defining the type of service.  It is one
thing to block web traffic, but how about netflix or twitter or
skype or..
I want to play defense here and force the lawmakers to define
exactly what we need to block.
So can you guys help me develop a list of all the things we would
have to analyze and block if we were going to attempt to create a
true device that protects kids.



--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com 

Re: [AFMUG] blocking

[Nate Burke]

If a minor gets an XBox gift card, are you in charge of making sure they 
don't use it to download Grand Theft Auto?  It would be Adult content 
coming through your connection.  What about any game with an Online chat 
function, scrub and block those as well.


On 2/6/2018 10:18 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 2/6/18 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have some proposed legislation I am facing about porn blocking 
again.  But they are not defining the type of service.  It is one 
thing to block web traffic, but how about netflix or twitter or skype 
or..
I want to play defense here and force the lawmakers to define exactly 
what we need to block.
So can you guys help me develop a list of all the things we would 
have to analyze and block if we were going to attempt to create a 
true device that protects kids.



How would you even know the content if everything is going HTTPS? You 
won't see anything but a stream of crypto and you can't really content 
filter that. Only the DNS name could give it away as porn vs. online 
banking.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP

[Nate Burke]

I ordered a Wintel box, and a 12v to USB adapter.  We'll see how well 
they work.  I'm hoping the Wifi Will reach out there, and I won't have 
to run a Cat5.


On 2/1/2018 10:25 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Nate,

How   about  a wintel device.  I have one here at the office that runs
the  dude  client to a dedicated monitor.  Have team viewer on it so I
can  remote  it  to  check  status.   I  was a bit worried about if it
would last, but it has been running non-stop for about 18 months now.

Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP

[Nate Burke]

Unfortunately it's not a console connection to the control board, it 
requires an application and it is Windows only.  Maybe I could put a 
Compute Stick out there.  It could run it off the generator battery, I 
wonder if the voltage drop would be enough that it would reboot when the 
Genset cranks.  There is a float charger on the battery, so It wouldn't 
drain between cycles.


This guy looks interesting 
https://www.amazon.com/Coolgear-Industrial-Network-4-Port-Device/dp/B01NCNC3TX/ 
and takes a 12V input, just hook it straight to the battery.


On 2/1/2018 9:35 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

BTW... just remembered.. you can also use some of the smaller Mikrotik's with 
USB Ports on them as USB/Serial Console access via IP or Wifi.


http://myhomelab.blogspot.com/2014/06/remote-console-with-mikrotik.html

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:22:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] USB over IP
I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits
about 50' away from the building.  The generator has been acting up on
me, failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not
an LCD troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via
USB give you complete control and monitoring through software (windows
only), but it requires pulling the control board out to access the USB
port.  I'd like to be able to get access to the control system remotely
by installing a permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the
snow and wind with a laptop.

I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300,
but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices.  Will
any USB device work with them?  I'm guessing that some software is
required on the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality
of the device is probably dependent on that software.  It looks like
these devices may be mainly used in VM environments to attach USB
Devices to VMs without going through the physical host.Has anyone
had experience with these devices?

Nate

[AFMUG] USB over IP

[Nate Burke]

I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits 
about 50' away from the building.  The generator has been acting up on 
me, failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not 
an LCD troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via 
USB give you complete control and monitoring through software (windows 
only), but it requires pulling the control board out to access the USB 
port.  I'd like to be able to get access to the control system remotely 
by installing a permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the 
snow and wind with a laptop.


I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300, 
but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices.  Will 
any USB device work with them?  I'm guessing that some software is 
required on the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality 
of the device is probably dependent on that software.  It looks like 
these devices may be mainly used in VM environments to attach USB 
Devices to VMs without going through the physical host.Has anyone 
had experience with these devices?


Nate

[AFMUG] OT: Google Earth images

[Nate Burke]

Looks like Google finally turned off Panoramio.  I really liked how you 
could see photos from all over the world, and as you zoomed out, it 
would neatly compress them into a multi-view window.  I virtually 
visited many places across the globe this way.  Now it's been replaced 
with 'Google Maps Photos' Which is very clunky (within the GE Interface) 
and has about 1/20th (or less) of the content.  And as you zoom out, it 
just diminishes the number of photos you can see, and, it appears, only 
a single photo can be tied to a specific spot.

Re: [AFMUG] Colo on Verizon owned Tower

[Nate Burke]

Years ago, back when cell towers were still a novelty item, we worked 
with a municipality where they forced the cellco to massively oversize 
the tower, which was located on city property, so the city could do with 
it what they wanted.  I think they allowed the tower to be put up, so 
they got use of it.


On 1/16/2018 11:09 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:

Anything's negotiable right??

On Jan 16, 2018 11:59 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > wrote:


Is it possibly to get a lease land for a tower for one of these
big companies and then have in the lease that you are allowed to
put antennas on that tower as part of the agreement rent free?

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

I have a Verizon owned tower on a piece of my property.
Verizon pays the rent every month.

Travis


On 1/15/2018 6:17 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Verizon doesn't own their towers anymore. They sold every one
to American Tower.

So it must be AT that you're looking at.

On Jan 15, 2018 6:28 PM, "TJ Trout" mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

I noticed one of my competitors service trucks inside of
the fence of one of Verizon's owned sites.

Does anyone have contact info on how you obtain a lease
from them? Just to clarify this is not a CCI or ATC Tower.

Thanks!!

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1032 to CRS125 Fiber

[Nate Burke]

Thanks for the info, I think that might have been it.  I'm pretty sure 
the CRS was on Auto negotiate.


On 1/15/2018 3:21 PM, George Skorup wrote:

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MikroTik_SFP_module_compatibility_table#SFP.2B_interface_compatibility_settings_with_1G_links

On 1/15/2018 2:42 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I've had CCR SFP+ ports not wanting to work with GigE SFP modules, 
but the same port works fine with 10G modules.  I know on paper SFP+ 
is supposed to be backwards compatible, but I've had mixed results in 
real life.


You might have to get an SFP+ module and let it negotiate at 1G.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>

To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/11/2018 6:56:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1032 to CRS125 Fiber

I've had to set the CCR to 1Gbps FDX (not auto negotiate) in the 
past to get a link to come up. Worth a try if you haven't changed 
that setting as of yet.


On Thursday, January 11, 2018, Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I tried to move a Multimode 1g fiber that was running on a
RB260GS to a CCR1032 8G-2S+.  I moved the mikrotik branded SFP
from the 260 to the CCR, so I know the SFP is good.  The SFP was
recognized, and the phy link was reporting up, but I had no RX
traffic.  The remote end of the fiber is on a CRS125.  I tried
to fiddle with all the interface settings I could on the CCR,
but nothing worked.  I moved the SFP back to the 260, and the
fiber is still passing traffic normally.  Any thoughts on
Settings that were keeping traffic from moving.

Re: [AFMUG] PC Out of Band management

[Nate Burke]

I'm working at a site with Dual WAN feeds (from 3rd parties), I think 
one of them is acting up, not packet loss, but other weird browsing 
issues, websites half loading, video buffering, but speedtests are 
fine.  I'd like to put a PC there, and test/troubleshoot the troublesome 
link remotely so I'm not sitting cramped in a closet.  By not having my 
access to the PC over the IP and default gateway of the PC, and multiple 
NICs in the PC, I can remotely switch the PC between the WAN feeds to 
prove that it is an issue with that single feed.


IP KVM's are coming up around the $300-$400 range.  Maybe I should just 
drop a Supermicro server in there.


On 1/15/2018 9:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

dual NICs with teamviewer is what i use to manage our office rack

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


This sounds like a goofy use case.

Maybe a raspberry pi with a usb NIC?

What are you needing this for?

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
> I'm looking to put a PC at a site, but I want true out of Band
management
> for it, I.E. Be able to turn off the Ethernet Interfaces or
Change IP
> Addresses without dropping management connectivity. I'm used to
working with
> the Supermicro motherboards built in IPMI Functionality, which
is awesome,
> but I just need a simple PC at a site for a couple weeks, not a
whole
> server.  Is there a brand/model that works well without breaking
the bank?
> VGA video, and USB keyboard/mouse.  It's been several years
since I've last
> used one, so I'm sure they are better now than they used to be. 
They were

> very flaky then.
>
> Nate

[AFMUG] PC Out of Band management

[Nate Burke]

I'm looking to put a PC at a site, but I want true out of Band 
management for it, I.E. Be able to turn off the Ethernet Interfaces or 
Change IP Addresses without dropping management connectivity. I'm used 
to working with the Supermicro motherboards built in IPMI Functionality, 
which is awesome, but I just need a simple PC at a site for a couple 
weeks, not a whole server.  Is there a brand/model that works well 
without breaking the bank?  VGA video, and USB keyboard/mouse.  It's 
been several years since I've last used one, so I'm sure they are better 
now than they used to be.  They were very flaky then.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net Application Errors

[Nate Burke]

Just for anyone searching in the future, I finally got a response back 
to my ticket.  According to the ticket response, the HTTPS Ooklaserver 
daemon test is only for private speedtest instances.  Of course I'm 
still waiting to be relisted since I changed the fallback http test from 
.ASP to .PHP, so their system doesn't realize I'm ready to go live yet.  
Maybe in another week I'll have a response to that ticket.


On 1/6/2018 2:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

does nanog list have an ookla people eater lurking?


On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


My speedtest.net <http://speedtest.net> testing box bit the dust,
and I'm having trouble getting it rebuilt.  Everything is testing
perfect on http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php
<http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php> except for the Oolkaserver
Daemon HTTPS test.  It fails test #4 "Response: , Error: Unknown
SSL protocol error in connection to speedtest.blastcomm.com:8080
<http://speedtest.blastcomm.com:8080>" This appears to be an error
with the ooklaserver program, and I have the configuration file
set to openSSL.server.verificationMode = none. Previously I don't
remember having to get any SSL certs to get the ookla process working.

I opened a ticket with Ookla, who sent me an automated response
saying "Fix the errors listed on
http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php
<http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php>" and closed my ticket. 
Opening new tickets has been met with deafening silence.  I

haven't been able to find anything on the Ookla support site about
this error. Has anyone troubleshooted this that could provide any
pointers?

[AFMUG] CCR1032 to CRS125 Fiber

[Nate Burke]

I tried to move a Multimode 1g fiber that was running on a RB260GS to a 
CCR1032 8G-2S+.  I moved the mikrotik branded SFP from the 260 to the 
CCR, so I know the SFP is good.  The SFP was recognized, and the phy 
link was reporting up, but I had no RX traffic.  The remote end of the 
fiber is on a CRS125.  I tried to fiddle with all the interface settings 
I could on the CCR, but nothing worked.  I moved the SFP back to the 
260, and the fiber is still passing traffic normally.  Any thoughts on 
Settings that were keeping traffic from moving.

[AFMUG] Speedtest.net Application Errors

[Nate Burke]

My speedtest.net testing box bit the dust, and I'm having trouble 
getting it rebuilt.  Everything is testing perfect on 
http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php except for the Oolkaserver Daemon 
HTTPS test.  It fails test #4 "Response: , Error: Unknown SSL protocol 
error in connection to speedtest.blastcomm.com:8080"  This appears to be 
an error with the ooklaserver program, and I have the configuration file 
set to openSSL.server.verificationMode = none. Previously I don't 
remember having to get any SSL certs to get the ookla process working.


I opened a ticket with Ookla, who sent me an automated response saying 
"Fix the errors listed on http://www.ookla.com/hosttester.php"; and 
closed my ticket.  Opening new tickets has been met with deafening 
silence.  I haven't been able to find anything on the Ookla support site 
about this error. Has anyone troubleshooted this that could provide any 
pointers?

Re: [AFMUG] battery

[Nate Burke]

I was just at one of the Autoparts stores, they had a series of battery 
that was 1/2 the cost of the next closest, it had a 2 month warranty.  I 
figured that's about as long as it would last.  They probably test the 
old cores, one's that would hold any charge they clean up and slap a new 
label on.


On 12/29/2017 1:30 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
Designed to fail 1 month after warranty expires.� Planned 
obsolescence, like an IPhone.


On 12/29/2017 1:27 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

WalMart
PN: 29DC
1464 watt hours
$86.83
5.9 cents per watt hour

Doesn't come much cheaper than that.

Re: [AFMUG] Office Wire labeling

[Nate Burke]

I like the fast pull plan, but I'm probably going to be doing all the 
termination by myself, so that involves alot of running back and forth.  
I don't have that fancy of a toner, just a simple (and cheap) telco one, 
which always seems to be able to narrow it down to about 4 cables in the 
bundle that all tone equally.  I like Chuck's Binary idea, maybe 
vertical and horizontal lines with a sharpie.


On 12/28/2017 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I'm with Lewis on this one. We do bundle duplex/quad groups together, 
but we don't worry about individual cables. We use the ID plugs and a 
toner to figure out which one is which. Labels fall off, and markers 
smear, especially when they're getting manhandled.



bp


On 12/28/2017 7:32 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Honestly, we just pull them all and tone them after. Seems just as 
fast. We have a Fluke cable tester that has 8 ID plugs and the probe 
tells you which one you touch so you can do 8 at once. At least I 
think that is how it works. Even if not toning is pretty fast way. We 
put a guy on each end and start toning and punching each end as they go.


On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:25 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


These are the ones I use on panels and end devices most of the
time for SCADA projects.  Electricians use them as well when they
pull wire for us...once tested and certified, we make our heat
shrink and non heat shrink Brady ID labels never remove the
original ones.  We reposition if necessary..


https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ideal-Wire-Marker-Booklet-Legend-10-Pack-44-103/100118633

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 28, 2017 8:16 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Here you go... several ways to get it done..

https://www.cableorganizer.com/cable-identification/
Jaime Solorza

On Dec 28, 2017 8:12 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Sharpie works but is difficult to do well and rubs off.
You could use strips of tape and sharpie to do a binary code.
Tape, tape, sharpie, tape = 13

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent:
Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:06 AM To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Office Wire labeling
I'm getting ready to pull some Cat5 into an office space,
about 40 drops.  What's the best way to label the cables
as they are pulled before they are dressed/punched. 
Printing a label for each cable that's going to get cut
off as it's dressed into the patch panel seems wasteful. 
Colored tape could work, but may get cumbersome with the

combinations.  Is writing the drop number on the jacket
with a Sharpie the best way?

[AFMUG] Office Wire labeling

[Nate Burke]

I'm getting ready to pull some Cat5 into an office space, about 40 
drops.  What's the best way to label the cables as they are pulled 
before they are dressed/punched.  Printing a label for each cable that's 
going to get cut off as it's dressed into the patch panel seems 
wasteful.  Colored tape could work, but may get cumbersome with the 
combinations.  Is writing the drop number on the jacket with a Sharpie 
the best way?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 No Customer MAC in Bridging Table?

[Nate Burke]

Whenever I've seen similar situations, it's always Ethernet problems, 
bad cable/connector.  Or a bad router.  Rarely it's a bad SM.  Are the 
Ethernet stats incrementing errors?


On 12/28/2017 7:11 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
I have a customer who's PMP100 SM is not showing the customer MAC in 
the Bridging Table. SM and AP have both been rebooted. I usually see 
3x addresses in the Bridging Table, 2x for the radio, and 1x for the 
customer, but I'm just seeing the 2x radio MACs even though customer 
DHCP requests are making it through to my router.


This just showed up today, as the customer router stopped getting an 
IP address (the router sees the request for IP, offers it, but it 
never binds).


Any ideas for kicking this back into functioning status?

Re: [AFMUG] Computer Image backup/restore

[Nate Burke]

It sounds like your biggest concern is a HD failure, or an unexpected 
software crash/update.  A quick amazon search turns up hardware disk 
duplicators, where you just drop in 2 drives and it clones them.  I 
would think something like that would accomplish what you are trying to 
go for.  I think you can also get SATA devices that do raid Transparent 
to the OS Can you boot off a DROBO?.
A long long time ago (Server 2000 maybe? I don't think drives were SATA 
yet), I would use the software raid built into windows.  I'm pretty sure 
I could pull one of the mirrored drives, and it would boot another 
machine of identical hardware.  Once a month change the disk and store 
it with your spare hardware.


On 12/22/2017 4:01 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
If I could put it on a VM, I would definitely consider it.  
Unfortunately, due to the fact that these machines are not really 
'servers' or 'workstations' but instead 'automation/test platforms', 
that is not really a possibility.  The OS on these machines need 
direct access to the hardware. Often, the drivers/software are doing 
horrible things under the surface to windows to make it work.   Adding 
a VM layer just isn't practical in this case.   National Instruments 
describes it best:


"NI hardware is not supported on VMs due to communication challenges 
and the possibility of incorrect data.Virtual machines generally 
cannot access the PCI bus. As such, PCI- and PCIe-based instruments 
are inherently incompatible with VMs, as are MXI connected PXI and 
PXIe chassis. Modern VMs often allow access to USB ports (known as USB 
pass-through). Given the hosted nature of the VM, the variable speed 
of data transfer associated with USB pass-through may cause errors 
when communicating with DAQ devices."


My experience is that even pci or pcie passthrough which is supported 
in some VM's still isn't enough to permit this stuff to run reliably - 
it's a lot like the USB-passthrough issue described above.


In my experience, failures are usually going to be software or disk, 
not the underlying hardware.   If the underlying hardware fails, I 
realize that I'm stuck unless I have identical hardware.   Knowing 
this, I often actually have an identical motherboard and/or server 
setting as part of the spares.   And by identical, I mean exact 
version, often bought at the same time, or from the same batch.


On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Images for Windows between any two machines simply isn't
dependable.  DO NOT EXPECT IT TO WORK.

Now if you can put all your stuff in a VM, you're set.  Put it in
Dropbox for a cheap smart (bit change only) backup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Dec 21, 2017 11:06 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

Normally backups around here are file-based, I.E. I want to
make sure I don't lose data.

I have a couple of computers now which I really would hate to
have to rebuild due to hardware failure.  These are generally
computers which run a machine, such as the automatic test
system and the pick and place machine.   These machines area
all typically single-drive (non-mirrored) mostly off the shelf
hardware running various versions of windows.   I'd like to
take a full image, and have at least a reasonable chance of
putting it back on similar hardware (probably same
motherboard, maybe different storage medium) and it just work.

It used to be that the tool for this was Norton Ghost.   But
that's been discontinued (and I understand it was going
downhill before that).  So I'm looking for whatever the
current modern version is.

I know there's a few tools out there which do this (Macrium,
Acronis, etc).   But the reviews are all littered with
failures.  Unfortunately it's hard to tell how much of this is
lack of clue and how much of this is broken software.

I'm wondering if anyone has experience with using these modern
equivalents?  Preferably something which runs on a range of
Windows OS'es, and can dump the image onto NAS.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
59602


forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.pa

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Failure Rate

[Nate Burke]

3 links in diverse parts of the network,  2 links are on the 18" UNBT 
dishes, 1 is on a set of beehive dishes with 5ghz feedhorns.  2 failures 
were within a week of install, the 2 links with immediate failures were 
installed months apart.  Another failure was on a radio running for over 
a year.  No weather issues when radio stop. SA is Hearing noise 
normally, so I think that something happens to the TX on the radio.  New 
radio on same dish/channel/power links up immediately.


On 12/17/2017 11:24 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
I have about 30 AF5X links. I've had exactly 1 radio die since I 
started using these things when they first came out.


Can you describe your setup a bit better?

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message ----
From: Nate Burke 
Date: 12/17/17 11:19 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Failure Rate

I only have 3 AF5X links, But I've replaced 3 of the 6 radio units so
far.  They all have had RF problems where the link drops, but Ethernet
and MGMT is just fine.  I just had another radio go bad this weekend.  I
have a couple Dozen AF5 links in the air, and have had no problems with
those.  Is the Failure rate on the 5X radio that high, or am I just
extremely unlucky?

[AFMUG] AF5x Failure Rate

[Nate Burke]

I only have 3 AF5X links, But I've replaced 3 of the 6 radio units so 
far.  They all have had RF problems where the link drops, but Ethernet 
and MGMT is just fine.  I just had another radio go bad this weekend.  I 
have a couple Dozen AF5 links in the air, and have had no problems with 
those.  Is the Failure rate on the 5X radio that high, or am I just 
extremely unlucky?

[AFMUG] Dumb CLEC Question

[Nate Burke]

If a CLEC is providing phone service over the ILEC Copper.  Does the 
number exist at the CLEC, or the ILEC for porting purposes?  I'm just 
trying to get a handle on porting time, AT&T ILEC in our area does 
number ports in about 3 days,  It's been a while since I've done a CLEC 
port, but they usually took a couple weeks, and those were numbers on a 
T1, not POTS.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

[Nate Burke]

Facebook and Google already have all the data of your 
likes/dislikes/beliefs (even one's you are not sure of).  Seems like the 
next logical step would be a compatibility matrix.  You are only allowed 
to interact with a potential date if you have >90% compatibility.  
Otherwise your advances would be moot, and therefore unwanted.  
Proximity devices would allow you to go into a club, and see all 
potential matches nearby.  As you approach, their name badge would 
either turn green or red.  If you get too close to a Red, it will start 
flashing, thereby alerting all close by to be on the lookout for 
potential harassing behavior.


On 12/7/2017 9:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Yeah. Parse these two statements, and how they might come across verbally.

Don't! Stop!

Don't stop!


bp


On 12/7/2017 7:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All young men trying to get a date could be classified as a 
predator.  There is the prey and the predator.  It is a matter 
degree.  Unwanted attention, unwanted proximity, unwanted touching.   
Until the girl decided the kid is OK then the playing hard to get 
games morphs into no=yes and so forth.
Is a kid screwing up his courage to go in for a kiss at the end of a 
date risking becoming a criminal?

Hitting a good looking woman is now considered sexual predation.
NPR had a good example.  Good looking woman at a party.  George 
Clooney and Steve Buscemi both hit on her at different times.  Both 
use the exact same words. Perhaps different deliveries but the exact 
same words. The woman is mesmerized by the attention by George and 
feels harassed by Buscemi.

How can you codify how people are supposed to behave?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political
All sexual predators...from Top to bottom, regardless of party,  
should be pecked to death...I have four daughters.  That Alabama 
pedophile would have disappeared.  End of story.


Jaime Solorza
On Dec 6, 2017 8:26 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

I feel bad for that guy. hes about to get his rectum widened and
not so much as mcdouble with cheese for dinner
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Craig House
 wrote:

Al Franken = injured chicken   LOL

*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT slightly political
One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm. 
He raised fryers. Those chickens you get at KFC.  They were

allowed to run around in a very large room. Thousands of them
per room, maybe tens of thousands.   He had lots of buildings
with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches
wide) that snaked round the room so they were never farther
than a dozen steps from food.  I think it took 6 or 8 weeks
from hatching before they were ready for market.
Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy
they would just park and the conveyer and not really move.  I
don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).
If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught
in the conveyer or whatever, if there was a single spot of
blood, the other chickens would notice and in short order
peck the injured chicken to death. Even a dot of red ink was
enough.  They would pile on and do them in.
I see some parallels. Humans are chickens sometimes.

[AFMUG] Does unlimited mobile data decrease bandwidth usage

[Nate Burke]

Since more Cell companies are switching to unlimited plans/streaming 
included, has that changed if people will actually bother to connect 
mobile devices to Wifi?  I may be shooting myself in the foot, (maybe I 
should find some wood to knock on) but it seems like bandwidth usage has 
had a noticeable drop since Black Friday.  Our BW trend this year has 
been steadily increasing, but since mid November, consumption is down, 
most notably in that overnight peaks are less.   So I'm curious that if 
$standarduser switches to an "Unlimited data" plan, they don't even 
bother to connect to WIFI.

Re: [AFMUG] Flexible Shielded Outdoor Cat-5

[Nate Burke]

How flexible?  We use the Belden 7919A, I can get it into a <6" loop 
without a problem.


On 12/4/2017 8:49 AM, Matt wrote:

Does anyone know of an shielded outdoor cat5e cable that is fairly flexible?

Re: [AFMUG] RAID controller eats disks?

[Nate Burke]

I'm more impressed that you're actually getting a report predicting that 
the drive is failing.  I have never ever had a raid controller report a 
disk may be failing.  They just go straight from working to failed.  
Usually failing into a high latency state, where they still work, just 
really really slowly, so the raid doesn't take it offline.


On 12/4/2017 8:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I've got a somewhat old Dell Poweredge with a PERC H700 RAID controller.

About a year ago SMART predicted a failure on disk 4, so I replaced 
it.  A few weeks ago SMART predicted a failure on disk 4, so I 
replaced it. Today SMART predicts a failure on disk 4.


On the second incident I have no doubts, because the disk made audible 
noises.  I'm just curious why it's always disk 4.  Can the controller 
conceivably do something that harms the disk?  Just a statistical anomaly?


It's a RAID 1+0 by the way, so there should be a nearly identical 
workload on one of the other disks.

Re: [AFMUG] What meter shows..

[Nate Burke]

What is that thing on the right side of the picture with the 
electrostatic warning sticker?  It looks like some sort of inflatable 
baffle on top?


On 11/30/2017 7:40 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:



Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

The phones on the PBX ring/talk/terminate normally.  Just no Caller ID.  
There is no Voicemail on the PBX, he has a answering machine plugged 
into the phone splitter, it yells out the Caller ID number when a call 
comes in, so that's working.  This is a small engine repair shop, 
proprietor has to be in his 70's, goes through about 4 packs of smokes a 
day while hunched over a tank full of gas.  I think the PBX was probably 
installed when he first opened his shop, however many decades ago that was.


On 11/27/2017 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Any chance of a ground start vs loop start issue?  Some PBXs were 
ground start.  Not sure how that would affect caller ID.

Is the PBX actually detecting the ringing?
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 9:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question
Just an Update, I put a splitter in the phone line, and caller ID 
works perfect on any 'modern' handset.  But still does not work on the 
Lucent PBX.  The customer still swears it worked with his old AT&T 
lines, but seems resigned to the fact that he won't have caller ID 
Anymore.  I tried to sell him into a new PBX, but he "Has a truckload 
of spare parts for this PBX"


On 11/9/2017 3:53 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Oh rightI haven't picked up the phone yet so there's nothing to hear.
Sorry.  I haven't actually used one of these telephone thingys in a 
long time.

-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/9/2017 4:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question
Remember, the signal comes between rings. Unless you are listening 
on a butt set in line or watching the info pass through a switch you 
wouldn't see or hear it. The only reason I remembered between first 
and second is sitting at a class 5 switch trying to figure out why 
caller ID was failing on a feature group D trunk group and seeing 
them come through after one ringy dingy.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:46 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Is it at an inaudible frequency?  If so, then it wouldn't make
it through 2600hz bandpass filters would it?  Or maybe it's
audible, but so short you don't notice it? I'm fuzzy on this.
I probably shouldn't ask.  I don't need to know that much about
POTS anymore.
-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/9/2017 4:40:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

More info than anyone probably wants to know. I found this
about the original question:


Caller-ID Signaling

According to Telcordia specifications, CND signaling starts as
early as 300 mS after the first ring burst and ends at least
475 mS before the second ring burst

From here: http://www.tech-faq.com/caller-id.html


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:29 PM Adam Moffett
 wrote:

I did not know that tone contained modulated data.  I just
thought it
was a noise you wouldn't ignore.

That's a fun fact to have.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:39:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

>Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same
modulation
>method as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on
the TV
>before the beep and thunderstorm warning.
>
>I think it comes before the first ring or right after the
first ring.
>Some of the original display units rectified and stored
ring voltage
>for power so it may need the ring first to power the
display box then
>the data.
>
>In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with
line monitor
>mode.
>Bell 202 is correct.
>
>-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
>To: Animal Farm
>Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question
>
>At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an
Ancient Lucent
>PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not
coming through,
>but
>it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to
be hitting
>the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that
needs to be set
>that older systems may be looking for?
>
>The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are
Caller ID Method,
>currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID
FSK Standard,
>set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those
settings before.
>
>Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

Just an Update, I put a splitter in the phone line, and caller ID works 
perfect on any 'modern' handset.  But still does not work on the Lucent 
PBX.  The customer still swears it worked with his old AT&T lines, but 
seems resigned to the fact that he won't have caller ID Anymore.  I 
tried to sell him into a new PBX, but he "Has a truckload of spare parts 
for this PBX"


On 11/9/2017 3:53 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Oh rightI haven't picked up the phone yet so there's nothing to hear.
Sorry.  I haven't actually used one of these telephone thingys in a 
long time.



-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/9/2017 4:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

Remember, the signal comes between rings. Unless you are listening on 
a butt set in line or watching the info pass through a switch you 
wouldn't see or hear it. The only reason I remembered between first 
and second is sitting at a class 5 switch trying to figure out why 
caller ID was failing on a feature group D trunk group and seeing 
them come through after one ringy dingy.


On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:46 PM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Is it at an inaudible frequency?  If so, then it wouldn't make it
through 2600hz bandpass filters would it?  Or maybe it's audible,
but so short you don't notice it? I'm fuzzy on this.

I probably shouldn't ask.  I don't need to know that much about
POTS anymore.


-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/9/2017 4:40:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question


More info than anyone probably wants to know. I found this about
the original question:


Caller-ID Signaling

According to Telcordia specifications, CND signaling starts as
early as 300 mS after the first ring burst and ends at least 475
mS before the second ring burst

From here: http://www.tech-faq.com/caller-id.html


On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:29 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I did not know that tone contained modulated data.  I just
thought it
was a noise you wouldn't ignore.

That's a fun fact to have.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/7/2017 4:39:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

>Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same
modulation
>method as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on
the TV
>before the beep and thunderstorm warning.
>
>I think it comes before the first ring or right after the
first ring.
>Some of the original display units rectified and stored
ring voltage
>for power so it may need the ring first to power the
display box then
>the data.
>
    >In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with
line monitor
>mode.
>Bell 202 is correct.
>
>-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
>To: Animal Farm
>Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question
>
>At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an
Ancient Lucent
>PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming
through,
>but
>it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to
be hitting
>the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that
needs to be set
>that older systems may be looking for?
>
>The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller
ID Method,
>currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK
Standard,
>set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those
settings before.
>
>Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts

[Nate Burke]

Can't they just drive themselves back to the dealer?

On 11/27/2017 9:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am sure they can phone home and be remotely disabled.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 1:28 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla Thefts
Aren't teslas one of the more stupid vehicles to try to steal?
I found the article about the theft, and I agree... odd...
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

In SLC, someone broke into the showroom and made off with 4 Teslas.
Here is an snip from a newspaper story quoting cops about the theft:
We are still trying to sort this out,” Keller said. “We actually
have two people claiming their name is Tesla and a family member
died and left them these cars.”Keller said.



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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP puzzle

[Nate Burke]

Does it happen with multiple machines/browsers?  Maybe some stuck cache 
somewhere?


On 11/27/2017 9:14 AM, Larry Smith wrote:

Ok, have an ePMP 1000, updated from 3.1 to 3.3
then to 3.4 and problem persists.

Issue is each time you login into the radio and go
to configuration, network, a read triangle pops up
on the right side of the network line and the save
button reds out.  Holding the mouse over the save
button says "Invalid elements:  Password".

Have changed all passwords (under Configuration, System)
and can find no passwords on the Network tab.

Anyone else seen this or can direct me where to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[Nate Burke]

I forgot to actually list the URL
https://layer3tv.com

On 11/15/2017 10:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for 
Layer3 TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top 
boxes and DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. 
Their website is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked 
into them further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and 
they'll happily take my money and setup an installation time, but 
nowhere does it list minimum BW requirements or the like.


I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked 
about being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another 
cable company) may be allowed soon.

[AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[Nate Burke]

I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 
TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and 
DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website 
is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked into them 
further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily 
take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list 
minimum BW requirements or the like.


I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about 
being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Weird Amazon Package return

[Nate Burke]

If you like the TV Series, and don't have the Reno 911! Miami movie DVD, 
I'd suggest getting it.  3 audio commentary tracks.  One with Ben, Tom, 
and Kerri talking about the production, 2 tracks with the cast, as their 
characters, watching the 'documentary'  they are in. And the raw 30 
minutes of Improv they did on the bus, of which only 2 minutes made it 
into the movie.


On 11/14/2017 7:44 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

H.  I loved Reno 911.  I may be asking for that for Christmas.

Nate Burke wrote:
On Amazon, Reno 911 (one of my favorite shows), The Complete series, 
on DVD $17.   Digital Purchase, $1.99/episode, not all episodes 
available, 120 episodes * $1.99=$238.80  How is streaming a good deal?


Plus Extra features, episode commentary, behind the scenes

On 11/13/2017 11:21 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Not everything is on demand.

Josh Reynolds wrote:

Both.

On Nov 13, 2017 10:09 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


Are you more amazed about DVD's (vs Blu Ray) or amazed that
physical media is still a thing?

There are some tv shows which a Blu Ray transfer isn't likely to
happen anytime soon since the program was recorded using SD TV
cameras instead of film.  For those, DVD is just as good as 
Blu-Ray.


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm more amazed that in (almost) 2018 people are still buying
    DVDs.

On Nov 13, 2017 8:59 AM, "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I ordered a DVD from Amazon that came cracked (Prime,
shipped from Amazon), so I returned it and they sent me a
new one.  The UPS return label for the damaged disk had it
being sent to a PO Box at the post office of a town of
1200 people in rural Illinois. When I checked the tracking
info from UPS, I saw that the package had been re-routed
once in UPS's possession to Lexington Ky, where I normally
see Amazon returns go. I'm perplexed as to why it was
initially going to be sent to this small town. It's like
Amazon was trying to Game UPS for cheaper shipping, but I
can't imagine with the size of the contract they surely
have with UPS, it would be worth while to play games like
that.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Weird Amazon Package return

[Nate Burke]

On Amazon, Reno 911 (one of my favorite shows), The Complete series, on 
DVD $17.   Digital Purchase, $1.99/episode, not all episodes available, 
120 episodes * $1.99=$238.80  How is streaming a good deal?


Plus Extra features, episode commentary, behind the scenes

On 11/13/2017 11:21 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Not everything is on demand.

Josh Reynolds wrote:

Both.

On Nov 13, 2017 10:09 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


Are you more amazed about DVD's (vs Blu Ray) or amazed that
physical media is still a thing?

There are some tv shows which a Blu Ray transfer isn't likely to
happen anytime soon since the program was recorded using SD TV
cameras instead of film.  For those, DVD is just as good as Blu-Ray.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm more amazed that in (almost) 2018 people are still buying
DVDs.

    On Nov 13, 2017 8:59 AM, "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I ordered a DVD from Amazon that came cracked (Prime,
shipped from Amazon), so I returned it and they sent me a
new one.  The UPS return label for the damaged disk had it
being sent to a PO Box at the post office of a town of
1200 people in rural Illinois. When I checked the tracking
info from UPS, I saw that the package had been re-routed
once in UPS's possession to Lexington Ky, where I normally
see Amazon returns go. I'm perplexed as to why it was
initially going to be sent to this small town.  It's like
Amazon was trying to Game UPS for cheaper shipping, but I
can't imagine with the size of the contract they surely
have with UPS, it would be worth while to play games like
that.




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[AFMUG] OT: Weird Amazon Package return

[Nate Burke]

I ordered a DVD from Amazon that came cracked (Prime, shipped from 
Amazon), so I returned it and they sent me a new one.  The UPS return 
label for the damaged disk had it being sent to a PO Box at the post 
office of a town of 1200 people in rural Illinois.  When I checked the 
tracking info from UPS, I saw that the package had been re-routed once 
in UPS's possession to Lexington Ky, where I normally see Amazon returns 
go.  I'm perplexed as to why it was initially going to be sent to this 
small town.  It's like Amazon was trying to Game UPS for cheaper 
shipping, but I can't imagine with the size of the contract they surely 
have with UPS, it would be worth while to play games like that.

[AFMUG] SOHO router QOS

[Nate Burke]

I've been getting more and more calls lately where a game download is 
killing a customers connection.  Especially with the P2P nature of game 
delivery now.  Looking on the internet, it seems like the Netgear 
Nighthawk routers have QOS Built into them.  Does it actually work to 
keep a single device from pegging the connection? Is it easy to setup?  
I'm really not excited to get into Customers (residential) internal 
networks when I don't have to.  So if I could refer them to a device 
they can go out and buy (and then I don't have to support) that would be 
great.  It's the 1% of customers where once you touch their internal 
network, they then have you on speed dial because 'when I go into this 1 
room, I only have 3 bars of WIFI' or 'I can't print to my wireless 
printer'  that make the 99% of profitable customers not worth it.

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

Is there any chance it could be a polarity problem?  If somewhere 
between the ATA and the PBX the 2 wires are reversed?


On 11/7/2017 3:42 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I seem to remember it comes in between the first and second ring.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Monitor the line for the data burst.  It is the exact same
modulation method
as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV before
the beep
and thunderstorm warning.

I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first
ring.  Some
of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage
for power so
it may need the ring first to power the display box then the data.

In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line
monitor
mode.
Bell 202 is correct.

-Original Message-
    From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming
through, but
it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set
that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard,
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

It's the inbound caller ID (the customer is receiving a call), not the 
Outbound Caller ID.


On 11/7/2017 3:16 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient
Lucent PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming
through, but it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it
appears to be hitting the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on
the ATA that needs to be set that older systems may be looking for?

The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID
Method, currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID
FSK Standard, set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those
settings before.

Nate

[AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[Nate Burke]

At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent 
PBX system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but 
it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting 
the ATA Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set 
that older systems may be looking for?


The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method, 
currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, 
set to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.


Nate

[AFMUG] Cisco ATA Power supplies

[Nate Burke]

I just ordered some SPA122 units and they showed up with Europe style 
prongs.  Since it's just a small piece that snaps into the transformer 
block, does anyone know the part number for the US snap in module?  The 
US Version comes in a bag labeled 74-4939-01, but Googling for that part 
number turned up nothing.

[AFMUG] OT: Good Weather App/site

[Nate Burke]

I've used Wunderground for years, but their recent updates have 
basically broken things.  The Droid App no longer correctly displays the 
radar.  It sometimes won't update, or only displays a few frames of 
animation, or only loads part of the radar overlay.  On a PC, their site 
now takes 10-20 seconds to load, and at least for me, the Wundermap 
keeps sending me to the radar in LA, and uses the CPU Resources of a 
small computing cluster.  And even then still doesn't load correctly.


What else is out there that gives good Radar loop and 7-10 day local 
forecast.  I don't care about other things like 'click here to see the 
worlds 7 worst storms that have trapped kittens who are rescued by 
lemurs'  like weather.com seems to think is the most important reason 
you go to their site.

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

[Nate Burke]

I haven't tried this method yet, I'll have to test it out.  What I do is 
just set a Static 0.0.0.0/0 route with the gateway on each Backhaul with 
a different routing mark.


firewall/mangle
mark Connection, chain Input, UDP port 161, set In Interface of Backhaul
Mark Routing, Chain Output, Check Connection mark from above.

2 rules for Each backhaul link  Since it's only looking at Input 161, no 
extra CPU overhead.




On 10/19/2017 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

SRC NAT the SNMP port to the loopback IP.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"George Skorup" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:12:12 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

I know Nate has mentioned this before. Wondering if there's a solution.
This has been driving me nuts for years.

A large/complicated OSPF design may have some asymmetric paths between A
and Z. But the problem comes down to asymmetry at the router you're
trying to poll.
For example, SNMP polling a router to its loopback IP, requests come in
on say ether1, but the replies go out ether2 = SNMP timeout. In and out
same interface works fine.
Everything else to the router works fine, like WWW, telnet, winbox, etc.
but obviously those are TCP, so this has me wondering if it's a UDP
thing or just SNMP...?

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

[Nate Burke]

Correction, it was only doing it for a week.

On 10/6/2017 8:33 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've had this happen on 3 or 4 AF24 (not HD) radios.  One time you 
could physically hear something rattling around inside the radome.  
Another time,  power cycle of the unit fixed it.  This last time, I 
had a radio do this for 3 weeks, then suddenly one day, it started 
working normally again (power cycle did not fix it in this case).  All 
different physical units, always the same symptom, a single chain in a 
single direction loses like 15-20 db of signal.




On 10/6/2017 8:22 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Seems kind of odd for it to be off by that much on only one chain in 
only one direction, if it was an alignment issue... I'd suspect a 
broken radio.


On Oct 6, 2017 7:49 PM, "George Skorup" <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


Could be bad Rx or possibly Tx at the opposite end. Or alignment
like this one I have, which I know one end is slightly out and I
just haven't bothered fixing it yet. Probably end up going 18GHz
on this anyway, because >1 mile and 24GHz sucks here.



On 10/6/2017 7:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Not sure why it didn't attach the picture, let me try again.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 6:29 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>' <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

How do I fix a link where just one chain is bad as shown here?

Not quite sure what to make of this.

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

[Nate Burke]

I've had this happen on 3 or 4 AF24 (not HD) radios.  One time you could 
physically hear something rattling around inside the radome. Another 
time,  power cycle of the unit fixed it.  This last time, I had a radio 
do this for 3 weeks, then suddenly one day, it started working normally 
again (power cycle did not fix it in this case). All different physical 
units, always the same symptom, a single chain in a single direction 
loses like 15-20 db of signal.




On 10/6/2017 8:22 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Seems kind of odd for it to be off by that much on only one chain in 
only one direction, if it was an alignment issue... I'd suspect a 
broken radio.


On Oct 6, 2017 7:49 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


Could be bad Rx or possibly Tx at the opposite end. Or alignment
like this one I have, which I know one end is slightly out and I
just haven't bothered fixing it yet. Probably end up going 18GHz
on this anyway, because >1 mile and 24GHz sucks here.



On 10/6/2017 7:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Not sure why it didn't attach the picture, let me try again.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 6:29 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com ' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

How do I fix a link where just one chain is bad as shown here?

Not quite sure what to make of this.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

[Nate Burke]

Hmm, the height that our couches sat off the floor was the exact height 
as the roomba.  So it wouldn't sense running into anything and happily 
drive under the couch, then get all confused that it's wedged into 
something.  I'm sure the AI has gotten better (mine is probably at least 
10 years old)


How does it do around like kitchen table chairs or area rugs on the 
hardwood?


On 10/3/2017 12:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We don’t seem to have those problems.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners
I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under 
chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.� Hair would get 
would around all the brushes.� Spent more time cleaning the Roomba 
than it spent on the floor.�


On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Roomba
So glad I got mine :)
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.� I could wade through thousands
of amazon
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.� Floors
are 50%
split between carpet and hardwood.� Occasionally we watch a
dog, so pet
hair pickup would be a plus.� Does a brand/model work good for you.
Does it not?� Is bagless really all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

[Nate Burke]

I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under 
chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.  Hair would get 
would around all the brushes.  Spent more time cleaning the Roomba than 
it spent on the floor.


On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Roomba

So glad I got mine :)


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of
amazon
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here. Floors are 50%
split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog,
so pet
hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.
Does it not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.

Nate

[AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

[Nate Burke]

I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or 
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon 
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% 
split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet 
hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  
Does it not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

[Nate Burke]

I haven't spent any time on the forums, or opened any tickets.   But the 
one thing I've noticed from my little usage of 3.4 and 3.5 revolves 
around saving config changes.  Click the save button, and radio will 
just to go 'applying' for several seconds, may or may not actually come 
back from the 'applying' state.


And loading in a backup config file requires the radio to power cycle to 
access the radio, it's like it locks the IP portion.


I'm sticking with 2.6.2 for almost everything for now, and just dealing 
with the Slow GUI.


On 9/25/2017 12:42 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


What bugs have you actually experienced? It seems that others are not 
having major issues with 3.5.  a few things as mentioned on Cambium 
forums.


Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

Rolling 3.2.2 still.  I've got known issues in 3.4 and 3.5 that 
doesn't make it worth it.


I would really like to have my downlink% OID that came with 3.3 or 
3.4...but not at the cost of the bugs.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


I guess I over estimated a bit, looks like we've only got a
hundred or so on 3.5. I think we have somewhere around a thousand
customers on ePMP.

On Sep 23, 2017 1:14 PM, "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

How big is your network?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:38 AM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

I've got 3.5 running on probably about half our stuff now. I
haven't noticed any major issues.

On Sep 23, 2017 8:15 AM, "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

I see a few problems on the Cambium form on 3.5.   They
may be isolated incidences but enough to have caution. Has
anybody rolled it out to a large number of APs and SMs?

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway



Vero Beach, FL 32962



772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: google timeline

[Nate Burke]

Must be some settings you have on.  I have android, and just used Google 
maps today to go to 3 places, but my timeline is completely empty.


On 9/18/2017 5:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I use this all the time for my time tracking.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, September 18, 2017 5:01:39 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: google timeline

wow, i just started poking around on this, its kind of creepy.

From an administrative standpoint, why would you need trackmytruck if 
you have this of all you were looking for is the where and whens if 
you provide company phones?


do cops use this in investigations?

Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

[Nate Burke]

Has anybody found differences in the Ethernet equipment used and 
errors?  We have a site with a 4kw FM about 50' away from our gear. An 
FSK Cluster will not run at 100mb, only 10mb.  A powerbridge at the same 
level sometimes negotiates down to 10mb, but mostly stays at 100mb.  An 
EPMP radio happily sits at 1G with no issues.  They are all at the same 
height/cable length/cable type.  The FSK Radios plug into a RB2011, and 
the powerbridge and EPMP plug into a RB1100.  So there is a difference 
between the Ethernet chipset in the radio equipment and routers.  I can 
only guess that some combination there of is more sensitive to the FM 
than the others.


On 9/18/2017 8:14 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

We do.. 100k at the top .. no issues, use good cabling and you don't have 
issues.


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we are 
already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work with our 
100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links.

He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '?


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Small 5ghz antennas

[Nate Burke]

Are you talking about the 90 Degree horn that uses he twistport 
adapter?  That looks like the smallest antenna on their website.


On 9/14/2017 3:52 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
you can use rfelements connectorized with the 2000 series or quickport 
with the 1000 series, thats probably your smallest footprint solution.


if you find a clean way to weatherize the top of the 2000 AP with the 
connectorized that doesnt involve mastic please update


On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I'm looking to install an EPMP AP where the subs (force 180's) are
only going to be about 100 yards away, and within a few degrees of
each other.  There is an existing mount already installed on the
AP side, but it cannot handle something the size of a normal
sector. There is a bare FSK AP installed today, so that's the form
factor I'm replacing.  Replacing the mount would be very
difficult.  Any recommendations for small antennas for the EPMP
line?  There are other EPMP Ap's at the site, so I would like to
keep sync on the AP side, otherwise I would just throw on a
Force180 as an AP and be done.

[AFMUG] Small 5ghz antennas

[Nate Burke]

I'm looking to install an EPMP AP where the subs (force 180's) are only 
going to be about 100 yards away, and within a few degrees of each 
other.  There is an existing mount already installed on the AP side, but 
it cannot handle something the size of a normal sector. There is a bare 
FSK AP installed today, so that's the form factor I'm replacing.  
Replacing the mount would be very difficult.  Any recommendations for 
small antennas for the EPMP line?  There are other EPMP Ap's at the 
site, so I would like to keep sync on the AP side, otherwise I would 
just throw on a Force180 as an AP and be done.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt AirFiber11

[Nate Burke]

56mhz MIMO channel, Mikrotik Btest will return around 550mb/350mb sync, 
or around 550mb each way.  Webpage reports ~730mb sync.  Make sure you 
have flow control turned on.  Makes a huge difference. Without it, was 
only running in the 200-300mb range.


On 8/25/2017 4:04 PM, Matt wrote:

Anyone using the Ubnt AirFiber in 11ghz licensed?  How is it working?
What size dishes?  What size channels and what throughput are you
getting?

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

[Nate Burke]

That is not the correct picture, that picture looks like an unlicensed 
AFx radio.


On 8/15/2017 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Does this photo show an AF-11X?  I have a different product in my lab 
sent to me from UBNT.

http://www.wlanmall.com/ubiquiti-airfiber-11x-backhaul-radio-11ghz-1-2gbps-low-band-af-11fx-l/
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] AF-11x
Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both 
polarizations on the same frequency?
Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x

[Nate Burke]

You buy the radio which is the same hardware for all 11ghz, then the 
Diplexers for your licensed frequency, High or low.  1 Diplexer per end 
for a SISO link, 1 polarity.  2 Diplexers per end for a MIMO link, Dual 
Polarity.  In the radio firmware you do not select different frequencies 
for the different polarities, just weather it is SISO or MIMO.


The Top of the radio has 4 SMA Connectors on it.  The diplexer spans 2 
SMA Connectors and gives you a N Connector to attach to the antenna.


Hope this helps a little.

On 8/15/2017 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for 
duplexers?  Not quite sure how to buy or license.  I guess you have to 
have two pairs of frequencies?  Or at the very least, both 
polarizations on the same frequency?
Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going 
to cost.

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Hotspot pages

[Nate Burke]

I have a site that is using Mikrotik Hotspot for a disclaimer/TOS page.  
It has been in place for years, and it hasn't been broke, so I haven't 
fixed it, (ROS v5.0rc3).  The AP hardware has been upgraded, currently 
running ruckus XI-3 AP's.  Recently I'm hearing from the site about once 
a week that someone is either unable to accept the terms, or they accept 
the terms, it works for a few seconds then they get kicked off.  
Unfortunately there is nobody technical at the site, so tracking down 
exactly what is really happening is hard.  Every time I'm on site, I can 
connect/disconnect with my laptop/droid with no issues.  Have there been 
changes made to the Mikrotik hotspotting that would help newer devices 
connect or stay connected?  Reading through the Change Logs, it looks 
like Mac-Cookie was added in 6.0, but that seems to help when an actual 
login is required, nothing else jumped out as a big change.


Is there a better/different method for a simple 'click here to accept 
the terms' solution?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[Nate Burke]

How do you weatherproof it, aren't the plugs just exposed on the side?

On 8/3/2017 5:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
http://www.genconnexdirect.net/honda_propane_modified_generators.htm 




On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:


Where did you buy that nice machine?

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Date: 8/3/17 1:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has
all the prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will
run close to 48 hours on a small tank in eco mode.
Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions

[AFMUG] EPMP1000 GPS Antenna Issues

[Nate Burke]

When we first started using EPMP, (5ghz, with GPS) we had some AP's 
would keep losing satellites.  Then after our first couple installs, 
everything just Worked after that.  Slap the GPS antenna on any random 
surface, and lots-o-satellites with no issues.  Now the New AP's we're 
getting out of Distribution have the GLONASS label on the antennas, and 
we're back to having hit and miss GPS again at new sites.  Are the new 
antennas less sensitive?  At one location, 1 out of the 4 APs was going 
from 12 satellites tracked (20 visible) to 0 Satellites tracked (still 
20 visible) at random times.  We moved the GPS Puck about 4 inches 
vertically, and now it has a steady 17 satellites tracked.


Has something changed with the Antennas?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[Nate Burke]

I have a much older model,  I really liked it, but it was the exact 
height as the gap at the bottom of the couch, it kept getting itself 
stuck since it never ran into anything until it was wedged in place.  
And you still had to empty it when it was done, almost as easy to just 
get out the vacuum and push it around for 5 minutes.


On 7/22/2017 10:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 
20 minutes before going on the fritz.

Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.
However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is 
supposed to automatically update itself.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP shows different downling RSSI that the SM does

[Nate Burke]

I don't think it's a value that's passed between the AP/SM, but 
Calculated at the AP based on distance and MSC Level, and probably some 
other things.  So the Calc could be off.


On 7/10/2017 11:39 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I haven't looked on other APs, just dealing with an issue. this is 3.2.2
The AP is showing the downlink RSSI for the SMs 10db or more stronger 
than the SM is showing it. Is this a known bug?

[AFMUG] OT: Glossy magazines

[Nate Burke]

I still get a couple actual paper magazines delivered through the mail 
to my house (No, not those kind of magazines).  It seems that recently, 
every month at least one of them has several pages that are misprinted, 
where the colors don't quite line up making all the pictures on that 
page slightly blurry.  I would have presumed that advances in printing 
would have resulted in better quality, or is it a printing race to the 
bottom, and they're all just trying to cut costs and print faster.  They 
probably all come out of the same physical printing house.  Anyone else 
noticed this?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] 450AP POE polarity

[Nate Burke]

That's what I thought.  Monoprice Crossover blocks to the rescue.

On 7/3/2017 1:52 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Anything but standard canopy just won't work. Only 450i changed things

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.



On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Can an original 450AP (from when they were still trying to get FSK interop 
working) only run with Standard Cambium POE pin-outs, or can they take reversed 
POE polarity as well?  The Spec sheet doesn't say polarity, just voltage range, 
and it seems like a potentially expensive test.

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Mikrotik question

[Nate Burke]

What type of Mikrotik?   I seem to remember in years gone by some issues 
with Mikrotik, Apple, and 802.11N, the solution was just to use B/G.  
Haven't run into anything recently though with 751/951 series.


On 7/3/2017 2:03 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
So, we installed a Mikrotik router at a customers home who owned 4 
Apple products; two IPhones and two IPads.  One Ipad and IPhone would 
connect but the others wouldn't and gave the message that we had input 
the incorrect password though I KNOW I put the correct one in.  We 
happened to have 3 employees there at the time and all three of our 
phones would connect using the password in we put in the router.  
Changing the encryption level didn't work either though when we did 
our phones re-connected with no problems.  Finally, we put in an old 
Netgear router and within minutes all devices were connected and 
passing traffic.  The SSID we were asked to input was supposedly one 
that they had never used before as well.  At least that is what they 
claimed.  Is this something unique to Mikrotiks and Apple products or 
did we do something wrong?

[AFMUG] 450AP POE polarity

[Nate Burke]

Can an original 450AP (from when they were still trying to get FSK 
interop working) only run with Standard Cambium POE pin-outs, or can 
they take reversed POE polarity as well?  The Spec sheet doesn't say 
polarity, just voltage range, and it seems like a potentially expensive 
test.

Re: [AFMUG] Holding the epmp2000 sync cablein place

[Nate Burke]

I just have it come out of the radio and magnet to the side of the lower 
mount.  Haven't had any issues with EPMP2000 that way, and few issues 
with EPMP1000.  Then just leave all the excess cable coiled up.


On 6/30/2017 1:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
It looks crummy and adds to assembly time to tape these and over the 
years i assume it will come off. Is there a better way of keeping 
these in the channel than 3 wraps x4 of tape? It does make the aps 
look a little menacing on the tiwer though like angry isp

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Hey Rory...we have a cold front

[Nate Burke]

We can send you some of the marble size hail we just had in Chicago to 
cool you off


On 6/19/2017 5:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Just heard from my brother who lives near Tucson, Phoenix is at 
112...come on over here to El Paso..it's a cold 102lol...Friday we 
are hitting 107...I don't want to guess how hot you guy's will be.


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 1000 GPS and POE+

[Nate Burke]

Ok, that's what I thought, but I can't get them to come up at the POE+ 
setting.  I'll do bench testing this afternoon.


On 6/14/2017 11:33 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

They are 802.3af compliant.  We run all of ours at 48V.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


For some reason I thought I had tested this, but now it's not
working.  I thought that the EPMP 1000 GPS units (5ghz gigabit
with Sync) will support up to 54V, and would Run POE+.  I'm trying
to power them off an Edgeswitch, and I can only get them to come
up if I run them at 24v.  At POE+, it looks like it just keeps
cycling the power on and off.  Does the POE+ only work if the
45,78 pairs are Reversed?  I have another site that I can run at
POE+, but I think I might have the pairs reversed on the cables
between the Edgepoint and the APs.

[AFMUG] EPMP 1000 GPS and POE+

[Nate Burke]

For some reason I thought I had tested this, but now it's not working.  
I thought that the EPMP 1000 GPS units (5ghz gigabit with Sync) will 
support up to 54V, and would Run POE+.  I'm trying to power them off an 
Edgeswitch, and I can only get them to come up if I run them at 24v.  At 
POE+, it looks like it just keeps cycling the power on and off.  Does 
the POE+ only work if the 45,78 pairs are Reversed?  I have another site 
that I can run at POE+, but I think I might have the pairs reversed on 
the cables between the Edgepoint and the APs.

Re: [AFMUG] Advantage FSK Keys

[Nate Burke]

Dang, I have a single customer off an FSK AP who want's 10mb sustained, 
and I don't want to have to go physically change out the SM.


On 6/14/2017 7:11 AM, Daniel White wrote:

Has to be P9 or better hardware.

I'm not even sure if distribution can sell you that key any longer.

Daniel White
Managing Director of Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:39 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Advantage FSK Keys

Can you upgrade a 5200 radio to a 5250 with a software key?


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[AFMUG] Advantage FSK Keys

[Nate Burke]

Can you upgrade a 5200 radio to a 5250 with a software key?

[AFMUG] Temperature and SFPs

[Nate Burke]

I was just looking around at 10g SFP's, I saw that the MaxxWave brand 
list 0c-70c as operating temperature, and the Mikrotik and UBNT modules 
list no temperature range at all.  Are SFP's really temperature 
dependent?  I'm more worried about cold than heat.  I had a couple 
edgepoints with 10g Maxxwave modules out over last winter without any 
issues, but it was rather mild.

Re: [AFMUG] ping

[Nate Burke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0JaXfKj68

On 6/12/2017 9:05 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:


Pong.

Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 9:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ping