2018 12:45:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
does CG-NAT work with the Xbox people?
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:
I need to have about /19 worth of customers natted to as few V4s as is needed
to make it work properly.
We
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
If they are smart enough to reboot a router or just keep trying for a few
seconds and then can continue, that
: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
That really depends on what you consider “non-service affecting” .. I would
argue that as long as customers can get out and customers can get into their
public IPs, a 10-30 seconds of them not getting out, is fine. Finding products
that store connections etc
.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Just need it to be:
Totally automatic failover
Non service affecting
We will soon have either 100 Gig or 40 Gig to the world.
So I am thinking whatever we use ne
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
You can engineer around that as well. There are many things you can do with
multiples of those types of units. Simple to do and failover can be easy if
setup correctly.
Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:15 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Yeah, personally, I'd split it between multiple boxes and do something l
alf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Thanks for the tip. I don't know why I didn't think to use the filter.
I guess 1,000 or so subscribers equals 26,000 or so connections. That's good
to know.
In this instance I have
Assign a private /21
> to each unit. You could create a LAG for the 4 10G ports to get a 40G
> uplink.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/15/2018 3:40:37 PM
> Sub
tnx
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Thanks for the tip. I don't know why I didn't think to use the filter.
I guess 1,000 or so subscribers equals 26,000 or so connections. That's good
to know
.
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From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/15/2018 3:40:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
filter by reply destination address and then by tcp state established
is what i did
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Adam
Howard
*Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 1:47 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
I'm pretty sure he did mean 8000 subscribers... I would want one of
the i7 x86 boxes for that kind of load, but I'd imagine that would
handle it without any problems.
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:35 PM
Yes, we have 6000 now and are adding about 1000 each year.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 1:47 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
I'm pretty sure he did mean 8000 subscribers... I would want one of the i7 x86
boxes for that kind of load, but I'd imagine
uff we're NAT'ing. Some traffic just passes through.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/15/2018 2:21:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
> srcnat is what we use. 1800
ssage --
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/15/2018 2:21:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
> srcnat is what we use. 1800 connections right now from one section of the
> network
>
> On Mon, Jan
but that
isn't strictly stuff we're NAT'ing. Some traffic just passes through.
-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/15/2018 2:21:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
srcnat is what we use. 1800 connections ri
f [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 1:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
>
>
> Too bad. I am kind of scared to not have some kind of hot standby or load
> sharing that will fai
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Too bad. I am kind of scared to not have some kind of hot standby or load
sharing that will fail in
Too bad. I am kind of scared to not have some kind of hot standby or load
sharing that will fail in a graceful manner.
From: Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
MT does not do stateful failover L sorry
ore would send everything else to the
>> edge.
>>
>> Details details, I let the router experts sweat that stuff.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 12:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exh
January 15, 2018 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
I wonder if it would handle two boxes, sync them and have a nice stateful
failover mechanism?
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFM
15, 2018 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
What flavor of NAT does mikrotik implement?
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Wonder how heavy we can load that... I woul
I let the router experts sweat that stuff.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 12:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
> the 1072 has 72 cores. We have a 1036 (36 core) doing NAT for over a
&g
I wonder if it would handle two boxes, sync them and have a nice stateful
failover mechanism?
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
srcnat is what we use. 1800 connections right now from one section of the
network
t; *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
> Wonder how heavy we can load that... I would want it to be able to handle
> 8000 connections.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 12:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I
experts sweat that stuff.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
the 1072 has 72 cores. We have a 1036 (36 core) doing NAT for over a thousand
LTE+Wimax customers. CPU usage is like 30%. The "fir
age.just a guess obviously. There's nothing to say it would scale
linearly.
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/15/2018 2:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Wonder how heavy we can load that... I woul
What flavor of NAT does mikrotik implement?
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Wonder how heavy we can load that... I would want it to be able to handle 8000
connections.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday
Wonder how heavy we can load that... I would want it to be able to handle 8000
connections.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
ccr1072
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
ccr1072
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> What are you using? Router NAT or a server or ?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 11:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
What are you using? Router NAT or a server or ?
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Im not going to lie, we are natting at 1:300 across a handful of publics and
have little to no issue, though we really should
I think. Don’t want to have to buy a
>> fourth.
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Burgess
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 11:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>>
>>
>> Mikrotik can do that, I have a router with 20k
rs natted to as few V4s as is
> needed to make it work properly.
>
> We currently have about 3 /21s I think. Don’t want to have to buy a
> fourth.
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 11:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust
ant to have to buy a
> fourth.
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 11:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
>
>
> Mikrotik can do that, I have a router with 20k NAT rules natting two /21s
> to less than 254 ips .:)
&g
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Dual-stack
...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 exhaust again
Dual-stack and CGN? You can get 8:1, 16:1 or even 32:1 out of a single public
IPv4 address. Give 8 customers 8k ports each, or 16 customer 4k ports each, 32
Dual-stack and CGN? You can get 8:1, 16:1 or even 32:1 out of a single
public IPv4 address. Give 8 customers 8k ports each, or 16 customer 4k
ports each, 32 customers 2k ports each. That's *source* ports, so
they're not limited to 8k, 4k or 2k connections total. You have to look
at in both
Planning to buy another /21 or some such thing again ..
So going to attempt to NAT the whole frigging company.
Seems like I am going in reverse here.
If we can make NAT work for most customers, then that will buy us time to build
our magic V4 translator gateway box for a V6 only
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