Mark,
On 4/16/08, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True, but this is inherent with ALL less than perfectly understood
systems and is not in any way peculiar to Dr. Eliza. Extrapolations are
inherently hazardous, sometimes without reasonable limit.
Correct. Part of the point to AGI is
Steve Richfield said (regarding his Dr Eliza system):
I cannot see ANY argument that it is NOT novel AI. Certainly no one
expressed any such doubts at the WORLDCOMP conferences where it was
presented and demonstrated.
Maybe, but WORLDCOMP doesn't appear to be a particularly serious
Ben,
On 4/16/08, Benjamin Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Richfield said (regarding his Dr Eliza system):
I cannot see ANY argument that it is NOT novel AI. Certainly no one
expressed any such doubts at the WORLDCOMP conferences where it was
presented and demonstrated.
Maybe,
!
Cheers,
Brad
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From: Steve Richfield
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
Josh,
On 4/15/08, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 14 April 2008 04:56:18 am
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Steve Richfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been discussing this in depth with Mark. I suggest lurking and
jumping in at the end if you disagree with Mark's handling. In a nutshell,
as I see it, the fundamental departure is in the cause-and-effect chain
True, but this is inherent with ALL less than perfectly understood systems
and is not in any way peculiar to Dr. Eliza. Extrapolations are inherently
hazardous, sometimes without reasonable limit.
Correct. Part of the point to AGI is to automatically create knowledge bases
that are as
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:17 PM
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Mark,
On 4/14/08, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Perhaps you can relate your own experiences in this area.
Argument from Authority . . . . but what the heck
On Monday 14 April 2008 04:56:18 am, Steve Richfield wrote:
... My present
efforts are now directed toward a new computer architecture that may be more
of interest to AGI types here than Dr. Eliza. This new architecture should
be able to build new PC internals for about the same cost, using
Josh,
On 4/15/08, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 14 April 2008 04:56:18 am, Steve Richfield wrote:
... My present
efforts are now directed toward a new computer architecture that may be
more
of interest to AGI types here than Dr. Eliza. This new architecture
J Storrs Hall, PhD wrote:
...
The third mistake is to forget that nobody knows how to program SIMD. They
can't even get programmers to adopt functional programming, for god's sake;
the only thing the average programmer can think in is BASIC, or C which is
essentially machine-independent
Steve Perhaps you can relate your own experiences in this area.
Argument from Authority . . . . but what the heck . . . . :-)
Earliest scientific computing papers (one from the science side, one from the
computing side)
Computer Modeling of Muscle Phosphofructokinase Kinetics
Journal of
on the same box OR (as proposed before)
multiple linked boxes.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Waser
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
Steve Perhaps you can relate your own experiences in this area
ROTFLMAO! Excellent! Thank you.
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From: Steve Richfield
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
Mark,
On 4/13/08, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I then asked if anyone
--- Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why go to all that work?! I have attached the *populated* Knowledge.mdb file
that contains the knowledge that powers the chronic illness demo of Dr.
Eliza. To easily view it, just make sure that any version of MS Access is
installed on your
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Steve Richfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've merely been a *TROLL* and gotten the appropriate response. Thanks
for playing but we have no parting gifts for you.
Who is the we you are referencing? Do you have a mouse in your pocket, or
is that the Royal
Mike,
On 4/14/08, Mike Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have little interest in downloading your software and tables and
arcane howto for making it all work. In my opinion, you really can't
call your product AGI until I can converse with it directly - either
via it's own email address
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:53 AM
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Vladimir,
On 4/11/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hence, simulational System Dynamics must be confined to systems whose
Mike,
On 4/12/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve:If you've
got a messy real-world problem, you know little, if you have an
algorithm giving the solution, you know all.
This is the bit where, like most, you skip over the nature of AGI - messy
real-world problems. What you're
Josh,
On 4/12/08, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 11 April 2008 03:17:21 pm, Steve Richfield wrote:
Steve: If you're saying that your system builds a model of its world
of
discourse as a set of non-linear ODEs (which is what Systems Dynamics
is
bout) then I (and
*Sent:* Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
Mark,
On 4/12/08, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So . . . . are you willing to immediately release your current Dr.
Eliza code to Open Source and let us see it and help humanity together?
Most
when
you finally wake up as discussed above.
Steve Richfield
==
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*From:* Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* agi@v2.listbox.com
*Sent:* Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
Mike,
On 4/12/08, Mike
*Sent:* Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:53 AM
*Subject:* Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
Vladimir,
On 4/11/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hence, simulational System Dynamics must be confined to systems
whose
operation can be observed or instrumented
Hi Steve,
I've read the papers you've posted on this list, and looked at your
Access database...
Text-to-speech, speech-to-text and the simple textual preprocessing can
enhance usability, but they tend to make a system *appear* more
intelligent rather than adding real depth to a system. So
Vladimir,
On 4/11/08, Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hence, simulational System Dynamics must be confined to systems whose
operation can be observed or instrumented. Unfortunately, this lets out
most
of the REALLY important real-world problems, especially medicine, from
On Friday 11 April 2008 03:17:21 pm, Steve Richfield wrote:
Steve: If you're saying that your system builds a model of its world of
discourse as a set of non-linear ODEs (which is what Systems Dynamics is
bout) then I (and presumably Richard) are much more likely to be
interested...
No
Steve:If you've
got a messy real-world problem, you know little, if you have an
algorithm giving the solution, you know all.
This is the bit where, like most, you skip over the nature of AGI - messy
real-world problems. What you're saying is: hey if you've got a messy problem,
it's great, nay
So . . . . are you willing to immediately release your current Dr. Eliza code
to Open Source and let us see it and help humanity together?
- Original Message -
From: Steve Richfield
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] Comments from
On Friday 11 April 2008 01:59:42 am, Steve Richfield wrote:
Your experience with the medical community is not too surprising: I
believe that the Expert Systems folks had similar troubles way back when.
IMO the Expert Systems people deserved bad treatment!
Actually, the medical expert
Josh,
On 4/11/08, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the medical expert systems of the 80s I had any conection with,
such
as the glaucoma expert from Rutgers, beat out human doctors in diagnoses
within their field of expertise. (And still weren't adopted...)
Yes. There
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Steve Richfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve: If you're saying that your system builds a model of its world of
discourse as a set of non-linear ODEs (which is what Systems Dynamics is
bout) then I (and presumably Richard) are much more likely to be
Hi there,
I am coming at AGI from an apparently unique perspective. Back in 2001 I
contracted an incurable illness (idiopathic atrial fibrillation). Having
been involved in a couple of medical research projects in the long distant
past, I simply took this as another project and dived in to find a
- Original Message
From: Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:58:09 PM
Subject: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
[snip] BTW, the principles behind Dr. Eliza are rather unique. I'd be glad to
send some papers to anyone who
hope that term isn't taken as derogatory).
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message
From: Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:58:09 PM
Subject: [agi] Comments from a lurker
Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:58:09 PM
Subject: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
[snip] BTW, the principles behind Dr. Eliza are rather unique. I'd be glad
to send some papers to anyone who is interested. Briefly, Joe
Steve Richfield wrote:
Hi there,
I am coming at AGI from an apparently unique perspective. Back in 2001 I
contracted an incurable illness (idiopathic atrial fibrillation).
Having been involved in a couple of medical research projects in the
long distant past, I simply took this as another
Stephen,
On 4/10/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message
From: Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:58:09 PM
Subject: [agi] Comments from a lurker...
[snip] BTW, the principles behind Dr. Eliza
Steve Richfield wrote:
Abram,
On 4/10/08, *Abram Demski* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be interested in looking at a paper.
How are papers handled on this forum? Do I post it as an attachment, or
just send it to you? What is the netiquette here?
However,
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