Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3851 judged TRUE

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 6:14 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/26/20 9:11 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:08, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 6/26/2020 8:49 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >&g

DIS: Re: [Indictment] Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > > G., you will need to initiate the decisions, but you can't yet, so hold > on until the Fixes pass. > Can someone point me to the CFJ that says "authorized to" conditions are triggered by a CAN, but not a SHALL?

DIS: Re: [Indictment] Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > G., you will need to initiate the decisions, but you can't yet, so hold > on until the Fixes pass. > Yah knowing this was coming up is one reason I grabbed the green ribbon when I did :)

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3851 judged TRUE

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:49 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/19/20 8:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3851. I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3851 >> >>

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulatory Instruments draft

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 4:54 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/25/20 7:48 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/25/2020 4:40 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Auction regulations are regulations defined by this rule, all of which >>> co

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulatory Instruments draft

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 4:40 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Auction regulations are regulations defined by this rule, all of which > comprise a single body of law, and for which the Treasuror is the > promulgator. The scope of auction regulations is wholly restricted to > defining specific

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3858 assigned to ATMunn

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
oh, crud. I copy and pasted and forgot to change "grok" to "ATMunn". There's actually a couple precedents that the assignment in the message worked, not the subject line. So I guess these are "linked" with grok as judge (unless e recuses emself from one). Sorry about that! On 6/25/2020 3:24

Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 11:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 17:03, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:00, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 11:16 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-25 10:41, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/25/20 12:39 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/25/20 12:37 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: This also

Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 14:00, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/24/2020 8:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Bump. Here's an updated text; all I did was remove the once-per-mon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans Auction Patch

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 9:41 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The Registrar wouldn't need to write any regulations, e would just need > to pick a method that the Treasuror has defined in the auction regulations. > I think the auctioneer is free to point to any method that follows the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: general objection

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/24/2020 7:51 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> >> I object to any and all intents to declare apathy. > > But does this adequately identify the intents being objected to? > > (I think there might have been a CFJ

Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/24/2020 8:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Bump. Here's an updated text; all I did was remove the once-per-month > restriction. G., what do you think about submitting this before nch's > and R. Lee's possible victory? I'm happy to pend it (assuming > DracoLotto worked as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: general objection

2020-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I had it in mine for a bit the last time a rash of these broke out. On 6/24/2020 6:57 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > (trigon, put this in your signature) > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:56 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NoH] Unspecified Honour

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 1:34 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/23/20 3:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < >> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NoH] Unspecified Honour

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 1:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: >>> I publish the following Notice of Honour: >>>+1 Agora

Re: DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: Vote on P8442

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 11:46 AM, omd via agora-business wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:42 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: >> If there exists no CFJ with the statement "If the person who sent the >> above message is a player, e cast a vote on Proposal 8442 in that >> message.", I initiate

Re: DIS: Regardless of the Scam Result

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 10:21 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/23/20 12:16 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: >> For what it's worth, I think that "manually" skunking this scam by proposal >> would be a reasonable way to resolve the circumstance; I doubt either the >> scamsters, nor the

Re: DIS: Regardless of the Scam Result

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 7:57 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/23/20 9:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/23/2020 7:49 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it >>> doesn't

Re: DIS: Regardless of the Scam Result

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 7:49 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it > doesn't have to. When someone wins by victory points, cards and products > get reset but coins, blots, and assets created by contracts don't. That > means there

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: certifying

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 7:31 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/23/20 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/23/2020 7:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> On 6/23/20 10:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> On 6/23/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: certifying

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 7:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/23/20 10:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/23/20 8:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> What I mean to say is that, to my mind, closing a loophole that allows a >>> scam clearly against the intent of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 7:08 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/23/20 10:07 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> You're right, I missed that last night. Still a poor reason to uninstall >> a recently elected official I think, I'm not abusing the office. >> > > You're not abusing it, but

Re: DIS: Why did PAoaM fail?

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 5:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > It's generally agreed that the PAoaM economic model didn't work out. Unlike > the shinies economy, which is generally agreed to have suffered from > unpredictable boom bust cycles that were more annoying than anything else, > I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 3:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/22/20 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-official wrote: >>> SILVER QUILLS >>> Alexis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 3:07 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jason Cobb wrote: >>> >>> On 6/22/20 5:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: I still think it would be nice to have a party in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 1:55 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 1:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I can do that without objection > > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. There's a weird, edge-case, legal precedent (that I won't bother to look for,

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Header Changes

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
sounds good to me On 6/22/2020 11:37 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > I support this as well. > > On 6/22/2020 2:30 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/20 2:29 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> I intend to make two changes to the Header and one change to the >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror, Cuddlebeam] Doubloons

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Note to Treasuror: having seen the Notary's list of tentative members of this contract, I think there's significant ambiguity in this calculation and "all" does not communicate the quantity. On 6/21/2020 6:21 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I believe there are 7 parties to the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (weekly report)

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 10:29 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/2020 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/2020 10:16 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: >>> >>&g

DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (weekly report)

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 10:16 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: > > "The Plunder Partnership" (revision 4) > Parties: Cuddlebeam, P.S.S.[1], Jason, R. Lee, Falsifian, Aris, ATMunn > [Note: currently somewhat disputed. See [2] and

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 9:33 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/2020 12:14 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan >> to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since >> it's supplemental, but would

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2020 9:14 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan > to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since > it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. > > https://agoranomic.org/Help/ Good

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] DEFINITELY NOT TRIGON

2020-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 8:15 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > As Trigon points out, my message's subject might be more properly "BUS: > TRIGON" rather than "TRIGON". CFJ 3459 suggests we accept the evidence of a message's sender in terms of what the subject line was when it was sent:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8442-8457

2020-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 2:30 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Like I said, I'm not upset, just... mildly frustrated. Could you attempt to > get your feedback in somewhat earlier in the process next time? I know the > lists have been really busy lately, but this has been up for discussion for

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8442-8457

2020-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 2:11 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 8448* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 Populist Administration > AGAINST. I think it's very important that elections clear the regulatory > slate for incoming officers (or at least let the incoming officer clear > the slate). This current version

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2020-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 12:49 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/21/20 3:45 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> Herald's Weekly report >> >> Date of Last Report: 14 June 2020 >> Date of This Report: 21 June 2020 >> >> Karma Entity >> - -- >> >> <=

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's just match the promotor's reality shall we

2020-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 10:11 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 15:52, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> [This confuses everyone regularly, except Aris. Let's just make it clear] >> >> I submit the following proposal "no backdating needed", AI-3: >> >>

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2020 8:33 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/21/20 2:16 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Here's my draft report. It's been a completely exhausting day in a >> busy week, so the chance of errors here are higher than normal. > > That's alright! You

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2020-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 11:32 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 11:25 PM Rebecca wrote: >> >> Welcome! My advice is just do stuff when you feel like it, no need to read >> every message, rule or CFJ > > I on the other hand would advise reading all of the rules and >

Re: DIS: A logo for Agora

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/20 6:10 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > Due to a multitude of factors, I've noticed a lot of sentiment to "rebrand" > a bit. Along with this, I would like to raise the discussion of potentially > creating a new logo of sorts for Agora. The coat-of-arms has stood as our >

Re: DIS: Fora and Accessibility

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 4:00 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/20/20 5:56 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: >> I do, however, think setting up a chat client for discussion that runs >> alongside a-d would be useful for many things, such as private >> discussion of alliances, bugfixing on proposals and

Re: DIS: Fora and Accessibility

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 3:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I think there are valid criticisms of how we use email, and we could adopt > guidelines to change that, but if we started to use Discord or anything other > than IRC or email for significant amounts of discussion, I think I’d

Re: Archival Continuity and Discussion Accessibility (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that)

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 3:01 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/20/20 4:55 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/20/2020 2:46 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> To be clear, I'd never suggest moving gameplay to a chat client. Discord >>> did not e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't think we need continuity/historicity on every card transfer, and > the only reason for some of the other reports to have timestamped > documents (e.g. Treasuror) is to have self-ratified rollback points. What do people think about a type of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:42 PM, Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion wrote: >> I know the downside to chat systems is that things aren't recorded in a > way > that can be referenced long term, > I happen to run an somewhat nomiclike conlang discord server, where we have > a few channels corresponding

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:46 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > To be clear, I'd never suggest moving gameplay to a chat client. Discord > did not exist 27 years ago, and it's not that likely to exist in 27 > years. Agora needs something with the continuity of email. This would > only be discussion

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:10 PM, Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion wrote: > Thus, I was in the position of "I get 20-50 emails overnight, of which I > instantly delete 99%, from a community which I almost never interact with > and which I don't even understand the basics of", and it's unfair both to >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ready Proposals

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 1:49 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/20/20 8:50 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/20/20 7:20 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This may be the programmer in me speaking, but I don't think it's a good >>> idea to couple these two values

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3846 Judged FALSE

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 11:55 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:36 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/19/2020 10:35 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> These judgments are basically drafts. I'm assigning them because I've >>> got to assign something, but I'm

Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 11:29 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 01:45, Aris Merchant wrote: >> I think we need a free way of pending patch proposals. The voters appear to >> agree with me. A bit of spin here to correct :). 5 voters voted FOR, 5 voters voted AGAINST.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3844 Assigned to Murphy

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 11:04 AM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 22:04, Edward Murphy wrote: >> >> G. wrote: >> >>> The below CFJ is 3844. I assign it to Murphy. >>> >>> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3844 >>> >>> ===

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3846 Judged FALSE

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 10:35 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > These judgments are basically drafts. I'm assigning them because I've > got to assign something, but I'm happy to reconsider as appropriate. I > think the core of the arguments should be good though. I think your judgements as-is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ready Proposals

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 9:06 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:> Without objection is a really high standard. My rule of thumb is that if > something requires without objection approval, someone will object. They > may even object for no reason, because they don't like the idea of a > proposal

Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 7:06 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-19 19:44, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> I think we need a free way of pending patch proposals. The voters appear to >> agree with me. I know some prominent and respected voices disagree, but the >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: actually fuck it

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 6:31 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:28 PM Rebecca via agora-business > wrote: >> >> I certify every proposal in the proposal pool. I wasn't going to win in >> this system anyway (and i dont really care about winning) and this gives me >>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 6:06 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > I always seem to get the least CFJs :( Hmmm... I think I've rotated pretty equally but maybe I'm wrong. I noticed a couple weeks ago I had to skip you when you were on top (just for one set of cfjs) because most of the cases were

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3853 Assigned to nch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 5:49 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 5:35 PM nch via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 6/19/20 7:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >>> The below CFJ is 3853. I assign it to nch. >>> >>>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3849 Assigned to G.

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 5:25 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > A contract which has no explicit mechanism for joining may still > be joined by other parties in some cases. > > The Plunder Partnership as it existed on June 15, 2020 could be > joined by other players.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3844 Judged DISMISS by Murphy

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 5:31 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > This portion of the judge's arguments is very interesting. It sounds almost > more like the sort of thing one would expect to hear in the caller's > arguments. But that can't be right, now can it? ;) > > -Aris > gotcha thanks

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 3:27 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:25 PM nch wrote: >> On 6/18/20 5:58 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> -Is 10 coins a good fee for Drawing? >>> I don't think we can answer this right n

Re: BUS: [Notice of Honour] Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Final unofficial draft

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 3:30 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:28 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/19/2020 2:31 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: >>> On 2020-06-19 07:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> Since the as

Re: BUS: [Notice of Honour] Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Final unofficial draft

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 2:31 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > On 2020-06-19 07:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Since the asset list rarely changes, may I suggest putting it lower down >> in a lower profile? > > Why did we decide it was necessary to track t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 11:26 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/19/20 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Sure, it's all relative exchange ranges, I agree. But there's a fixed >> point because they're both the cost of "pending 1 proposal". If tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 10:16 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > On Friday, 19 June 2020, 16:24:06 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Not part of arguments: lol when I voted against this it was because it >> lacked the basic checks (e.g. dependent action or something). Regardless >> of CFJ outcome you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 8:31 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/19/20 11:21 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> Not part of arguments: lol when I voted against this it was because it >> lacked the basic checks (e.g. dependent action or something). Regardless >> of CFJ outcome you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 7:40 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > i remember someone called that CFJ in response to the first CFJ i ever > called > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3523 Thanks, I didn't remember that! The rule language has changed, though, from (according to those

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 7:18 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > there is a precedent actually that you can bar in a later message without > recalling the CFJ if its "reasonably continuous" or something. Can you point me to that doesn't ring a bell.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 7:03 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I CFJ: "Within the past week, Jason committed the crime of Uncertain > Certification." thanks! (the reason I didn't right away is I've lost count this week I think I'm getting close to excess cfj territory).

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Black ribbon patch

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 6:39 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 6/19/20 12:36 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: >> Hey nerd, a proposal is only a patch if >> >> A player SHALL NOT certify a proposal unless its sole function is >> to minimally rectify a bug, error, or ambiguity (a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 1:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 6/18/2020 8:02 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Merely thinking and planning to commit murder isn't attempted murder, the >&g

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Final unofficial draft

2020-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/19/2020 1:20 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-19 01:48, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Oh, another thing: I think you're supposed to list out the individual types >> of cards and products? Isn't each its own class of asset? > > Just checked in on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 8:02 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > Merely thinking and planning to commit murder isn't attempted murder, the > acts carried out have to be "more than merely preparatory" (under English > law). The same applies to this analogous crime, merely preparing to take > the

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh - forgot a couple comments! On 6/18/2020 1:37 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > Enact a power-1 rule entitled "Discarding" with the following text: > When a player pays a set of at least 2 cards, You need to add something here - "pay" on its own could count paying someone else,

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 1:37 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > exactly proportional to the number of that Card When we had a card game with a deck once, we had a lot of minor errors happen where a card was thought to be in the deck that wasn't, or vice versa. This led to a lot of breakages of

DIS: winning - more direct or less direct?

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Minor discussion topic here. Right now, as evidenced by recent CFJ, the rules are in a slightly weird place in winning where sometimes you do a thing (Raise a Banner) that causes you to win, and sometimes what you do is "win by announcement" if certain conditions are met. These can break in

Re: [proposal] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: re-tailor

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 9:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/18/20 12:31 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> Fair's fair. >> >> I withdraw the proposal "UV Sunblock" from the pool. >> >> I submit the following Proposal, "UV-G Sunblock" AI-3, co=author ais523: >>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8431-8441

2020-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/17/2020 5:32 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/17/20 8:23 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8431-8441 >> = >> >> IDTitle Result >> >>

Re: DIS: CoE question

2020-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/17/2020 3:15 PM, grok via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 7:44 PM Rebecca wrote: > >> either choice is perfectly valid and fine, but given that stuff is always >> changing, you may make a mistake with the new stuff and get caught in an >> infinite chain at that point lol >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3831 and 3838 judged TRUE

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 5:01 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:41 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/13/2020 10:07 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 1:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/13/2020

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fine, I destroy "Combinotron"

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 5:13 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > R. Lee wrote: > >> Once again, I intend to transfer a victory card and a legislative card from >> the L department to me, without objection. > > Right, IIRC this is just recovery from Combinotron. > >> I intend to transfer 500

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 4:11 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/16/20 6:59 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a player CAN, by announcement, >>> transfer the talisman for em to emself. >> Could we make this "acting as emself"? Without that,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Honor among Pirates [Attn. All "Pirates"]

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 1:31 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 20:17, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> I could have just let this pass and banked some MAJOR coinage but the >> long-term consequences of having people be paranoid about my contracts >> isn't worth it imo, I much prefer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fine, I destroy "Combinotron"

2020-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 5:09 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > And Cuddlebeam said this: > >> I intend, without objection, to transfer all coins belonging to the Lost >> and Found Department to The Plunder Partnership. > > > My reading is that Cuddlebeam only specified an intent to transfer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fine, I destroy "Combinotron"

2020-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/15/2020 11:28 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:26 AM Jason Cobb wrote: >> On 6/15/20 2:20 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> to be clear, I wasn't really following this conversation it just caught >> my >>> eye

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fine, I destroy "Combinotron"

2020-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/15/2020 11:12 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 6/13/2020 5:16 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: >> I do intend to transfer a victory card and also intend to transfer a >> legislative card from the Lost and Found Department to myself, both without >> objection. > > arrgh me hearties, is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fine, I destroy "Combinotron"

2020-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 5:16 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I do intend to transfer a victory card and also intend to transfer a > legislative card from the Lost and Found Department to myself, both without > objection. arrgh me hearties, is there a reason nobody be objecting to this one.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Rewards

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I tend to do awards in batches so I don't lose track, this is last week's batch. (this week's batch will be awarded before end of next week). On 6/14/2020 3:59 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > what about me > > On 6/14/2020 3:41 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> For

Re: DIS: [PSA] Secret Pacts

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 2:25 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > This is actually very interesting to me. Why is being able to strictly > enforce secret deals *even necessary*? In Blognomic, secret alliances are > rampant but there's never anything formal that forces you to do as the > alliance

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points?

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Cuddlebeam wrote: > G. wrote: >> Cuddlebeam wrote: >>> Small survey for who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points because barring a >>> scam surprising us, it’s going to be way harder to win if someone has to >>> compete with someone else to get that 20 VP margin. >>> >>> I personally would like to

Re: DIS: Who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points?

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 12:15 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > Small survey for who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points because barring a > scam surprising us, it’s going to be way harder to win if someone has to > compete with someone else to get that 20 VP margin. > > I personally would like

DIS: Re: BUS: [Ribbons and Glitter] Question about Transparent Ribbons AND Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 11:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/14/20 1:39 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8409-8430 >> = > > I earn a Red Ribbon for Proposal 8422. I award myself Orange Glitter for > Proposal 8422. I

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] A Github Coup

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 11:19 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/14/20 1:12 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> On 6/14/2020 10:14 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 7:02 AM nch wrote: >>>> On 6/14/20 8:55

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Informal Polling

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 11:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/14/2020 11:01 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/14/20 1:44 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> I'll start pushing my weekly report somewhere so people can bookmark it to >>> check deadline

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] A Github Coup

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 10:14 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 7:02 AM nch wrote: >> On 6/14/20 8:55 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: * All members have been downgraded except me, g, and comex. Now that everyone has read and write access the

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Informal Polling

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 11:01 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/14/20 1:44 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I'll start pushing my weekly report somewhere so people can bookmark it to >> check deadlines or whatnot - would people prefer it on my site or o

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Informal Polling

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 2:36 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 12:44 AM Rebecca wrote: >> >> we can be a little overly rude to people who misinterpret the rules or >> forget about a rule or two but if anyone actually tries to tell you they've >> never made a similar

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] New Report Format

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 7:14 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/14/20 2:30 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2020-06-13 22:55, Reuben Staley wrote: >>> On 2020-06-13 22:27, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: I personally dislike the new format as gmail does NOT give

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 10:39 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8409-8430 Since we're talking about reporting and usage, can I mention (with great appreciation for the work of Assessor) that the lack of a quick summary table of this report makes both current reading and

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