DIS: zombie auctions broken again

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Ok, not talking about the most recently-completed auction this time! But the upcoming ones. The new auction rule purposefully took out the concept of auctioning the ability to flip a master switch. It's restricted to auctioning assets only now. There was a Talisman proto floating around

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3831 and 3838 judged TRUE

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 9:52 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > In CFJ 1500, the Court found that words should be > interpreted by their common language definition after a definition in > the rules has been overturned. The Court presently believes that this > is somewhat misguided: while the

Re: DIS: Talismans (hopefully) final draft

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:01 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The master of a player CAN act on behalf of em to perform any action > except the following: You need to keep the word "zombie" in the above sentence somewhere, otherwise this stops a person who is their own master from

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3845 Assigned to Aris

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh oops (my workflow was briefly interrupted and I lost my place). Second one should do nothing. On 6/13/2020 11:37 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > This was sent twice for some reason. >

Re: DIS: Summoning contract idea, with a doodle

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 9:13 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/13/20 10:01 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> On 6/13/2020 3:43 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: >>> So, with coins no longer backed by wins, the only pure mechanical value I >

Re: DIS: Talismans (hopefully) final draft

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 11:26 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/13/20 2:18 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Hmm - I missed that implication and it's a point against voting for it, I >> think. It would be nice if we didn't try to change any gameplay aspect

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3831 and 3838 judged TRUE

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 9:52 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > First of all, I think I should address a potential conflict of > interest with respect to CFJ 3831, that I am the recipient of the > karma in Murphy's message. I don't believe this represents a conflict > of interest because Murphy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-06-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/2/2020 10:53 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > This topic has been bugging me ever since some recent CFJ > discussion(s) (don't remember which) in which authorial intent was > dismissed as irrelevant to the meaning of the rules, because it's not > explicitly mentioned in R217. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-06-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/2/2020 4:15 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 6/2/2020 10:53 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> This topic has been bugging me ever since some recent CFJ >> discussion(s) (don't remember which) in which authorial intent was >> dismissed as irrelevant to the meaning of the rules,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> > proposal when resolving it. Players SHOULD NOT attempt to game popularity. > Can we be a bit less moralistic about trying to game, well, a game?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 10:36 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> >>> proposal when resolving it. Players SHOULD NOT attempt to game

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [CFJ] ¿Puedo realizar acciónes en español?

2020-06-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/2/2020 7:16 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Trigon >>> >> Those CFJs aren't the end of the story, we had a player back in 2017 who >> communicated eir game actions almost entirely in Japanese and we allowed >> them if they could be google translated into making sense on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's > intuitiuve. The rules need less incomprehensible, unintuitive terms of art > (like Switch!) and more like Referendum imho. Huh, interesting. The switch language

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 7:03 AM, Rebecca wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: >>> I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's >>> intuitiuve. The rules need less incomprehensible, unintuitive terms of >> art >>> (like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 7:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > In terms of ruleset changes to fix the problem, moving towards more > subjective proposal rewards would help, rather than having them as something > automatic; perhaps Agora should have a purse for proposal rewards, and some > fair

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agora Birthday

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: "Registrar's monthly report highlights birthdays coming up in the next month." (or maybe just a suggestion to the registrar :) )

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Informal Polling

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 4:14 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/14/20 5:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: >>> * What resources do you wish were online? >> I'd like to put my reports online since people seem to want them all to >> be online, but I don't currently

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points?

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Cuddlebeam wrote: > G. wrote: >> Cuddlebeam wrote: >>> Small survey for who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points because barring a >>> scam surprising us, it’s going to be way harder to win if someone has to >>> compete with someone else to get that 20 VP margin. >>> >>> I personally would like to

Re: DIS: [PSA] Secret Pacts

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 2:25 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > This is actually very interesting to me. Why is being able to strictly > enforce secret deals *even necessary*? In Blognomic, secret alliances are > rampant but there's never anything formal that forces you to do as the > alliance

Re: DIS: Who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points?

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/14/2020 12:15 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > Small survey for who is aiming for Victory Cards/Points because barring a > scam surprising us, it’s going to be way harder to win if someone has to > compete with someone else to get that 20 VP margin. > > I personally would like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Rewards

2020-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I tend to do awards in batches so I don't lose track, this is last week's batch. (this week's batch will be awarded before end of next week). On 6/14/2020 3:59 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > what about me > > On 6/14/2020 3:41 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> For

DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 8:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 7/24/2020 2:40 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: >> So there's precedent that you can basically take a shortcut to do many >> actions (a loop of them) as long as it is reasonable that you could perform >> those actions by writing them out. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 5:08 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn via agora-discussion wrote: > > -Tiger > Didn't process your signature at first then did a double-take. Hi!! -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3819 Just to add that in the Caller's Arguments for this case, Gaelan provides a decent summary of several relevant cases (though not the 'large but finite' one I don't think).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 2:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/24/2020 2:09 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/24/20 5:07 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 7/24/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 2:09 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/24/20 5:07 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/24/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3819 >> Just to add that in the Caller's Argumen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

2020-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/24/2020 1:38 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 08:44 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/24/2020 8:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 7/24/2020 2:40 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: >>>> So there's precede

DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] BT2 Removal of R. Lee

2020-07-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/25/2020 6:33 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > As France has been eliminated, it is with great sadness that I cause R. > Lee to cease to be a Contestant in the 2020 Birthday Tournament, > pursuant to Regulation BT2. > H. Judge Publius, I'd like to ask for a clarification here

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] BT2 Removal of R. Lee

2020-07-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/25/2020 9:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/25/20 11:54 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 7/25/2020 6:33 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> As France has been eliminated, it is with great sadness that I cause R

DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question

2020-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
H. Publius, Another diplonomic rules question! The original Diplomacy Rules say: > A unit may not retreat to the province from where the dislodging unit > came or to an "embattled" province, meaning one left vacant by a > bounce/standoff that turn.

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question

2020-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/26/2020 9:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/26/20 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> H. Publius, >> >> Another diplonomic rules question! >> >> The original Diplomacy Rules say: >>> A unit may not retrea

DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Resolution of Fall 1905 and BT2 Removal of omd

2020-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/29/2020 7:21 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > ItalyA Bul S Sev - Rum** > Russia F Sev - Rum ** > Turkey F Rum - Bul ** > 20. A unit moves with its own strength combined with all of its valid > supports. Support is cut if the unit giving support is

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer becomes a bodybuilder [Proto stuff]

2020-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/29/2020 1:35 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > I’m not entirely familiar with the CfJ background concerning this aside > from the possible issue (that this aims to sidestep) of that you can’t do > an unlimited amount of actions if it would be “unreasonable” for a human to > be

DIS: Re: BUS: [attn. Tailor] Ribbon claims

2020-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/19/2020 5:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 7/19/2020 4:49 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:>> For the avoidance of doubt, I award myself a Black Ribbon if I do not>> already have one. [This should do nothing.] I award myself a white ribbon, as I have never owned one before.>>> > I

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] With apologies to G.

2020-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/19/2020 4:50 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I Raise a Banner. > Congratulations At just over a year that's a really fast Renaissance! Dunno if it's fastest ever, but it's up there.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2020-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/16/2020 2:41 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-16 at 14:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-official > wrote: >> Agoran Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report) >> Thu 16 Jul 2020 UTC > > COE: This omits the case I called about Diplonomic proposals being > misinterpreted as

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3862 Assigned to R. Lee

2020-07-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/18/2020 11:30 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I motion to reconsider, I don't believe it to be overly hypothetical when > it refers to how Agora itself works. It's a question about Agora's > fundamental way of working. First, I found this tidbit in CFJ 1895: > R2160(d) allows

DIS: Re: @Arbitor another unassigned CFJ? (Re: BUS: certifying)

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 10:17 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >> ... what? It doesn't matter if it's "antithetical". The rule clearly >> says "sole function". This is an ulterior function and therefore >> violates the rule.  This interpretation means 'patches' dont't have to >> be primarily patches

DIS: Re: [cfj] Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2020-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/5/2020 9:32 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > On 2020-07-05 4:25 p.m., Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >>> I object to the above announcement of intent.  This may do nothing. >>> >>> >>> I CFJ:  Regardless of other supporters/objectors, Agora will not be >>> satisfied with the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3873 assigned to G. and judged FALSE

2020-07-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/30/2020 2:02 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> On Jul 30, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official >> wrote: >> >> Holding with that precedent, "interested in judging" is not regulated due >> to having a recordkeepor, and can be determined by a common-sense

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 486

2020-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/15/2020 5:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: Nevermind, I should probably read more than just one email before replying like this. >>> >>> I called a CoE to make sure it wouldn't self-ratify. I don't think just >>> listing the assumption does that. >>> >>> In the past,

DIS: Re: BUS: I am interested in becoming a judge.

2020-08-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/13/2020 8:29 PM, shelvacu via agora-business wrote: > I am interested in becoming a judge. welcome to the bench! > (I vaguely remember something about announcements in subjects not > counting, so I repeated in the body just in case) If you say "I do as in the subject line" that works,

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Reversing the Arrow

2020-12-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/7/2020 11:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > If all instances of a class of asset with the same owner are fungible, > that class is a currency. If the backing document of a class of assets > defines it as a currency, it is a currency. Is the intent that "fungible" must be

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3891 Assigned to G.

2020-12-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/8/2020 6:16 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 12/8/20 5:41 AM, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: >> Coins are fungible but that doesn't mean they don't exist as separate >> singular entities. Individual coins (obviously) exist in real life too and >> they are still (obviously)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Renumbering

2020-12-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/18/2020 1:48 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > The most recently enacted Rule entitled "Temporary CFJ Setup" is hereby > renumbered as Rule 2609 (if it does not already have that number). > > The most recently enacted Rule entitled "Statutory Instrumentation > Simultaneity" is

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution

2020-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/20/2020 12:41 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 12/13/20 11:28 PM, Lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Le 13/12/2020 à 23:28, Reuben Staley via

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution

2020-12-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/20/2020 1:29 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 12/20/20 1:41 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < >> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/20 11:28 PM, Lucidiot via

Re: DIS: On Rule 217 and the Four Factors: Another Proposal Prospectus

2020-11-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/16/2020 1:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > G. responded with yet another counter. E pointed out that the relevant > section has a long history, dating back at least to 2003. While e > agreed that interpretation had recently gone in a less than preferable > direction, e

Re: DIS: Should We Save Honor?

2020-11-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/16/2020 10:45 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 11/16/2020 1:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> The honor/karma system seems to have fallen largely out of use. Should >> we try to fix it, and if so, what do we need to do? >> >> -Aris >> > > I say get rid of it.

DIS: Re: [@ministor] lordy look at the time

2020-10-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Sorry, head's *really* not in the game. fails of course misremembered the rule. On 10/31/2020 6:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > [It's been a hard week my heads not in the game - I hope you'll not mind > that it's prerogative of the dictator to be late, on very rare occasions.] > > I issue the

Re: DIS: Plans to Deregister

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/25/2020 8:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it! > > Every year in December, I take the opportunity to evaluate what I have > been doing in the past year and make plans for the new year. This year, > I've decided that continuing as a

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposal] planning to flop

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 12:00 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > Amend Rule 2638 "Player Focuses" so that the second paragraph reads: > >An active player CAN plan to flip eir own Ministry Focus by >announcement at any time. I think it's an overall good idea and the above is a good

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposal] planning to flop

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> Switches that can be flipped in >>this way are called "planned switches". Planning to flip a switch >>is secured. > > > This should be more explicit about what power the flipping occurs at > (right now I think it's the

Re: DIS: [Proto-Proposal] planning to flop

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 3:15 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 12/30/20 1:49 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This one confuses me a little, as it changes the dynamics somewhat (the >>> Treasuror can set the next month's Buoyancy nearly a month in advance). >>> But part of that is

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] [Proto-Regulation-Amendment] Unlimited claim window

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 8:01 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > I originally set arbitrary limits on when a termination message for an > auction could be posted and when lots could be claimed. It has caused > several victory auctions to not actually award anything because of > negligence

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] [Proto-Regulation-Amendment] Unlimited claim window

2020-12-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/30/2020 9:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 09:01:53PM -0700, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion > wrote: >> I originally set arbitrary limits on when a termination message for an >> auction could be posted and when lots could be claimed. It has caused

DIS: (proto) third level Turn Undead

2021-01-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: Turn Undead, AI-3: Create the following Rule, Activity: Activity is a player switch tracked by the Registrar, with values Active (default) and Inactive. The date on which each player's activity

Re: DIS: (proto) third level Turn Undead

2021-01-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/3/2021 4:10 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 3:17 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 15:08 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Proto: Turn Undead, AI-3: >>> >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Attack on the CFJ-A

2021-01-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/6/2021 1:43 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> Your move, Agorans. > > I point my finger at CuddleBeam for violating No Faking, 2471/1, by taking an > action e knew not to be effective, with intent to mislead. > Before you claim this failed, please look at the results.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attack on the CFJ-A

2021-01-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/8/2021 2:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > E.g. if I said "I hereby express my gratitude for your hard work", > that's not defined by the rules, but I would have thought it's > nonetheless legally true and effective, because I did in fact express > my gratitude by writing it,

Re: DIS: [Proto] SLR Ratification

2021-01-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/8/2021 9:57 PM, JTAC via agora-discussion wrote: > On 9/1/2021 10:52 am, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset published on the 1st December, 2020, >> available >> here [1]. >> >> [1] >>

DIS: proto: dictator fixes

2021-01-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
[pretty straightforward, but I think it captures the loopholes we used or were planning to use]. proto: de-dictatorship AI-3 Amend Rule 2614 (Eclipse Light) by appending the following paragraph: Rules to the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] third level Turn Undead

2021-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/20/2021 9:13 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> If an inactice player has been inactive continuously for the past > > typo: "inactice" twice > >> 60 days, then any player CAN deregister em with notice; for such >> a deregistration to be successful, the

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer thanks their partner

2021-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/20/2021 11:20 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I award G. a White Ribbon > > Thank you G.! > my pleasure!

DIS: proto2: dictator fixes

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
proto v0.2: de-dictatorship AI-3 (diff: secured-2 changes in voting period, a grammar fix). Amend Rule 2614 (Eclipse Light) by appending the following paragraph: Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, Emergency

Re: DIS: proto: dictator fixes

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/17/2021 8:41 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: > >> [pretty straightforward, but I think it captures the loopholes we used or >> were planning to use]. >> >> Repeal Rule 2633 (Rulebending). > > What about ending a voting period? > When I last sent around a proto

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Patent Title Restoration

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/16/2021 2:25 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/16/21 5:24 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Award all Patent Titles to eir former holders that were lost solely due >>> to the entity not being a person (under any current or former definition >>> of "person"),

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8530-8531

2021-01-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/18/2021 11:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >> 8531g^ Jason 1.5 Patent Title Restoration v2 > FOR. I'm a bit iffy on the idea of allowing new patent titles to be > granted to non-persons, but it doesn't seem like there's a mechanism > for that at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2021 5:55 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can >> consent to play a game with you) allows a single individual to generate >> a new white ribbon, which is

DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Crime and Punishment

2021-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2021 9:29 AM, JTAC via agora-official wrote: >BlotsActive player >-- > 7 R. Lee > 2 Shelvacu This isn't a formal CoE because you don't officially track this info, but Shelvacu is a deregistered fugitive now (that's why I didn't include

Re: DIS: [Proto] The Great Rollback

2021-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/27/2021 12:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Apply S->I to Rule 1688, "Power". > Apply S->I to Rule 2438, "Ribbons". In the next draft, can you write out in full the changes to R1688? I think seeing all the substantive changes together will be important. For example,

Re: DIS: [Proto] RWO for all

2021-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/31/2021 1:42 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2021-01-31 at 21:17 +, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > At present, if we unperson everyone, AIAN will prevent the unpersonning > proposal passing. > > With a change like this, AIAN would no longer directly block a

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3896 Assigned to G.

2021-02-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/3/2021 9:26 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The below CFJ is 3896. I assign it to G.. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3896 > > === CFJ 3896 === > > If an AI 3.0 proposal with the text "Destroy Agora."

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3894 Assigned to Jason

2021-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/26/2021 2:12 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > I find it fascinating how inner mental states (or more accurately, the > perception others have of them) can affect the outcome of winning or not. This wasn't touched on, but in a legal sense, determining whether a person "knows"

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly Report

2021-01-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/27/2021 4:18 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/6/21 4:28 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: >> u Wes wesc at ichips.intel.com 5 Apr 94 >> u Timothy timothy.ferguson at jcu.edu.au 12 Sep 94 >> u Chuck

DIS: Re: BUS: Prime Ministration [attn. ADoP]

2021-01-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/27/2021 12:32 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Prime Minister is, by tradition, the one office we regularly call > elections for. The current Prime Minister has served eir term, and it > is time for a new Agoran to take eir place. > > I intend, with 2 support, to call an

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion

DIS: [proto] The Firm

2021-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: The Firm [A change in the way vote cards lead to votes] Enact a Rule, "The Firm" (Power 2), with this text: The Firm is a secured ordered list of players. HR is an office; the firm as it was at the beginning of the week is part of HR's weekly report. A player's position

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] The Name of the Win Cards

2021-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2021 8:02 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 03:27:54PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I submit (but do not pend) the following proposal (stolen from Trigon >> with permission): >> >> Title: The Name of the Win Cards >> >> Adoption index:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 9:39 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08 at 09:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I had a feeling you'd bring this one up when I saw you register and saw >> that your computer delivery was faster than mine :) ! > My CFJ ea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clearance on Voting Cards [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2021 11:23 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Trying to make extra votes work is hard, though; either they break the > game, or they do nothing, with not much in between. I think they worked > better when they were tied to an asset that also had more common uses > than boosting

DIS: (@Falsifian) Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2021 11:46 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > I vote as follows. > >> ID Author(s) AITitle >> --- >> 8561& G., nix 2.0 Election Cycle > AGAINST > > [Just because it

Re: DIS: [proto] The Firm

2021-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2021 3:24 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Surely being the owner's nephew ought to carry an advantage? Except it > doesn't do anything with Bonuses yet (presumably they would be tied into > voting strength somehow). I was thinking "despised in the company and given no

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592

2021-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2021 6:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > I change my vote on that proposal to AGAINST > > It's not an (intentional) scam, though I think the better solution is to > remove that ability from emergency regs than to let non-Festive people > object to them. > sorry

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8573

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 8:37 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:30 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The Mad Engineer CAN act on behalf of >> the device to take any action that the device may take, and >> SHALL act on behalf of the device to ensure that

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh crap well that's completely broken. I was madly trying to sculpt Murphy's text and missed those differences. On 6/8/2021 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:25 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal: >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 8:56 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Oh crap well that's completely broken. I was madly trying to sculpt >> Murphy's text and missed those differences. > > > It seems to ju

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 9:01 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to

DIS: stonekeepor nerf proto-proto

2021-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Without taking away anything whatsoever from the current Stonekeepor's current playing (or criticizing eir strategy in *any* way), we have the makings of a "too much officer control" situation for a single subgame: 1. Stonekeepor can auction as many stones as e wants, whenever. 2. Can bid on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] May Stone Auction

2021-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/20/2021 1:44 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > >> On May 19, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> I bid 670 coins on the Protection Stone. > > For each stone being auctioned, I bid n-1 coins, where n is the value of the > current highest bid on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Election cycle

2021-05-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/23/2021 2:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> >> After the nomination period ends, the ADoP (or, if the office is >> the ADoP, the Assessor) CAN and, in a timely fashion, SHALL: >> >>

DIS: Re: BUS: There's no way this works, right?

2021-05-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Gratuitous initial thoughts: "violating a pledge" isn't in itself an action to perform or refrain from performing, but the consequences of some action. You can't just "violate a rule" as an action, you do some other action which as a consequence violates a rule. It's like saying "I pledge that

DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes a sandwich something something yo mamma joke

2021-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
As Arbitor, I have a general policy of filtering out "the most self-interested" parties from judge assignments whenever possible, so I would not (even if I hadn't favored it) be prone to grant this one? Happy to discuss. On 5/31/2021 3:28 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I favor

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Determinacy is a Good Thing

2021-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2021 4:55 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > Title: Determinacy is a Good Thing > Adoption index: 1.7 > Author: Aris Want to lodge a bit of a protest here - paradox to me is inherent to Suberian nomic, and if any nomic follows that purist tradition, it's this one, so it seems

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Determinacy is a Good Thing

2021-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2021 6:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 6:13 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/5/2021 4:55 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> Title: Determinacy is a Good Thing >>> Adoption index: 1.7 >>> Author: Aris >> >> Want to lodge a bit of a

Re: DIS: Re: [CFJ] BUS: CFJ 3907 Judged PARADOXICAL

2021-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2021 3:04 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Jun 5, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> CFJ, barring Gaelan: For the purposes of R2553, CFJ 3907 is about the >> effectiveness, possibility, or legality of a change in the gamestate. > > The

DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Blots CFJ

2021-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2021 12:39 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:12:18PM +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-business > wrote: >> I call a CFJ: Each player may claim a justice card this Agoran week. >> >> Rule 2478 states in relevant part "The player who initiated the most Finger

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3893 judged FALSE

2021-02-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I'm considering a motion to reconsider this case, and would like comments. Reasons: ID Numbers are nowhere explicitly defined. So what's an ID number? It's a number used to ID a rule. Once a SLR has been published a few times, it's clear that there's only one number that identifies a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Emergency] [Proposal Distribution] Dictator Dethronement

2021-02-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/7/2021 7:23 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 2/3/2021 10:16 AM, ATMunn wrote: >> I intend, with 3 Agoran Consent, to repeal all existing Emergency >> Regulations. > > Having received support from Jason and no objections, I do so. > Simple and straightforward. My plan had been

DIS: proto: tournament degrees

2021-02-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On discord, it came up that running tournaments is hard work and should have some implied reward. I think the current ruleset would actually allow for theses based on tournaments - game design is hard, and a set of regulations for a subgame, played and debugged through peer review, would almost

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