Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.99 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Le 18/05/2012 23:47, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 
 0.99 TODO
 
 
 1) Close the vulnerability bug, explain that it really is no
 vulnerability, get back to all distros... then possibly close the
 tracker and redirect to forum/ML/IRC
 
 Was fixed, vivia did the tests, 0.98.4 was indeed vulnerable
 
 2) MSNP2Pv2 (me, possibly with help from Youness)
 
 half done, I'll try to finalize it
  
 
 3) libpng bug (Boris)
 
 Done by boris
  
 
 4) Moving .so files out of /usr/share (Phil)
 
 done by phil
  
 
 5) webcam libng bug (Phil)
 
 Done by phil (I believe)
I confirm : it's done
 
 
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Why I'm not a project member anymore?

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Hi,
it's been a long time since I wrote there...
I didn't think someone could be so childish. You have spent much time on
the project, we all recognize it and that's the only reason why you got
back your account. If you think that you should have stayed a project
admin, you are wrong. A project admin should show some commitment in the
project and no, forwarding one mail once in a year doesn't count as real
commitment. I still remember the last releases we did. You weren't here
EVEN when they were announced there...
We feel that you kind of dropped aMSN of your life. It's like you just
want your name there to be able to say : I did it !
I don't consider I am really active currently, but if KKRT ask me
something I try to reply him or to help him if he needs. I still manage
the server. That's how I help the project and I know that Tjikkun does
the same. We don't have so much time (I still don't know how KKRT can
sleep only 30min by night...) but we try to help as we can.
I have to admit that you really deceived me acting like you did...
Phil

Le 17/03/2010 19:05, Álvaro J. Iradier a écrit :
 
 Then why did you add me? This makes no sense. If I don't deserve to be
 a project member, and I don't deserve SVN access or any permission,
 ok, you're now the project admins, so you decide.
 
 Making it difficult to work on the project (that is, I'll have to ask
 you for permissions to work on AMSN) is one way of getting people away
 of the project. It has nothing to do with me being a member or not,
 it's just a matter of attitude.
 
 Greets.
 
 You are now listed as a team member, but you have no rights. If you need SVN
 access, contact me and I'll give it to you if you're showing me that you do
 indeed have plans on using it. I'm sorry, but the way I work is that if you
 don't need it, you shouldn't have it.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] BitRock packages for AMSN

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
long time ago I wrote there but I am still breathing/reading.
The things that made us drop Bitrock for Autopackage is that to generate 
an autopackage, we only have to change the package version in one file 
and type one command and if Makefile is up to date all is created.
With Bitrock we had to add files manually in the UI and that was pretty 
boring. Moreover, Autopackage was open source and Bitrock isn't.
In addition, when using AutoPackage, all binaries are automatically 
compiled using a very old GLibc. As the libs are backward compatible, 
this work perfectly for all distributions.
Anyway, the main drawback of Autopackage (which Bitrock had before) is 
its non RPM/DEB integration : the packages are managed by the 
AutoPackage manager. But in fact this isn't so critical as the RPM/DEB 
packages are better done when built by packages maintainers than by 
automatic systems. Don't forget that we also have make deb/rpm which 
can do bad quality generic packages.
For Windows, the NSIS installer perfectly fits our needs with a powerful 
scripting engine.
Bitrock system can be nice but I am afraid we loose our users if we give 
them the autopackage, NSIS and bitrock packages
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Hi Daniel!
 How funny, when I saw your email this morning, I thought what a 
 coincidence, I was just thinking of bitrock yesterday night... but it 
 looks like google alerts was behind this! I didn't know about google 
 alerts, it looks like a nice google feature! :)
 Anyways, yes there is interest. I was actually just thinking that we 
 might have a second look at bitrock now. We liked bitrock a lot at the 
 time, but it had its limitations so we switched to autopackage. Now 
 might be a good time to switch back to bitrock, or as you suggested, 
 provide both binaries!
 Well, we'd have to discuss this with the other memebers of the team, 
 since I can't exactly remember what was missing from the bitrock 
 installer that made us use autopackage, but if I'm not wrong, the few 
 issues I can remember are :
 - no deb/rpm (or other native package management system) integration
 - no (or bad) 64bit support, 
 - autopackage has some great tools for building all our binaries with 
 ABI stable versions of gcc so it works with everyone.
 - the installbuilder was very immature and quite difficult to work with 
 (no recursive add of a directory for example)
 I just took a quick look to your features list and it looks like you 
 have rpm integration but no deb integration, but it also says that it 
 has .deb generation! So I'm not too sure, I don't know much about all 
 this, so maybe if you can provide us with more info, it might help! Does 
 it just generate a .deb for us, or does it generate/install the .deb out 
 of the installer in order to install on the user's systems? in other 
 words, do we provide a single binary which will install a .deb/rpm on 
 user's systems, or we'd have to provide a .deb, a .rpm and the bitrock 
 installer?
 Also, there seems to be some differences between distributions, so is it 
 even possible to have a single .deb file that would work on debian, 
 ubuntu hardy/intrepid/gutsy/etc... same would apply for the .rpm (would 
 it work for mandrake, mandriva, redhat, fedora core, etc...) ?
 About the 64 bits support, we realized that autopackage seems to have a 
 few problems unfortunately, so if you can provide a good 64 bit support, 
 we'd be glad!
 Concerning the tools autopackage provides, you may want to have a look 
 at them : http://autopackage.org/aptools.html especially apgcc, I know 
 there are some other tools we use, but Philippe Valembois would know 
 better than me.Basically it compiles the whole thing with some very old 
 version of gcc that is ABI stable so it will work for people with old 
 and newer versions of the libc, it also does some magic stuff for us...
 I guess that we could build the autopackage binary, install it and 
 create the bitrock installer using the binaries from the autopackage 
 install...
 I can already assume that the installbuilder has come a long way since 
 then and that all the small issues we had with it are already fixed or 
 less annoying than before.
 Once a user installs the app, does he have an easy way to uninstall it? 
 Assuming you don't have system integration, then is it like an uninstall 
 application that they can launch, or is there some kind of package 
 managmeent system like autopackage does?
 I'm CC-ing the amsn-devel mailing list, this way others can see this, 
 and we can get a more informed answer about the subject!
 p.s.: Just an FYI, In this screenshot : 
 http://installbuilder.bitrock.com/right-to-left-screenshot.html The 
 title bar doesn't seem to support RTL correctly, so if that's fixed, 
 maybe you should regenerate the screenshot.
 @amsn-devel subscribers: please use reply all for Daniel to see our 
 responses, thanks.
 Thanks!
 Youness.
 On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Daniel Lopez dan...@bitrock.com 
 

Re: [Amsn-devel] Greetings

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi and welcome to aMSN team.
Phil
PS : Sorry to not be really present dudes.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97.1 Disk Image (.dmg) Troubles

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hehe,
Good job ! And no problem. Packaging is a quite complicated task.
Phil

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 There have been some serious issues with the dmg distribution of aMSN  
 0.97.2. I believe that I have now resolved these issues.. I've  
 uploaded a new dmg amsn-0-97-final2-2.dmg, and I will change the  
 download link on our site later today (once the mirrors have been  
 updated). For the forums, this mirror has the file:
 http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/amsn/amsn-0-97-final2-2.dmg
 
 I'm not sure what the original issue was. I used the same method for  
 packaging the dmg as we always have.. The only difference being that I  
 am now running 10.5. The reported error was No mountable  
 filesystems, but if you suppressed errors the image would mount  
 without any issue.
 
 For the future I've made a script (based on work by the growl project,  
 used by perian and adium) to create a disk image from a folder of  
 files. When I clean the script up I will put it in SVN. The created  
 image has been tested on 10.4 (intel) and 10.3.9 (ppc) and works  
 correctly.
 
 Sorry for the embarrassment/delays,
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Security flaw with amsn web site

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Everything is on a-p.net
Phil

Álvaro J. Iradier a écrit :
 Silly me, we are not hosted at sourceforge any more, are we? Not even
 the database?
 
 On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Álvaro J. Iradier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Someone sent this to me. It looks related to tiki-wiki.

 I checked, and even going to:

 http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/

 I get the same error. Did something go wrong when sourceforge migrated our 
 site?

 Greets.


 On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:14 PM, dfa610 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I got your emails from the amsn credit page. I suppose you can forward this
 message to the right person.

 I just come from the update site at the address
 http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=ChangeLog, and i got
 the following error page with very sensitive information.

 I use ubuntu 8, let me know if you need more details about my configuration.

 Best regards,

 Nicolas

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 An error occured in a database query!
 Context:
 File/wiki/tiki-index.php
 Url/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=ChangeLog
 Query:
 select `userId` from `users_users` where `login`=?
 Values:
 0


 Go back

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97.2 Release

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hey all,
As I am not at home I will try to get an ssh connection to my PC there.
Phil

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 Fantastic, I'll be on MSN + IRC later tonight, so I can talk more then.. 
 Updating the mac dmg shouldn't take much time.. I've had some strange 
 complaints re permissions on the dmg, but I know how to resolve these (I 
 think..) so I can sort that out without too much trouble. Thats the only 
 mac specific complaint re 0.97.1. http://0.97.1.
  
 -Tom
 
 On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Boris Faure (aka billiob) 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   4 -http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=31791#31791
   not critical, but it's a new bug.. the nickname truncation
   for the display picture frame on multi user chats should not
   check for the 'truncate' option.
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97.1, 0.98 alpha and aMSN2

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Not this week end because I am in exams time too
Phil

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 On 27 May 2008, at 08:48, Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote:
 On 5/27/08, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I would like to suggest something :
 1 - merge all the bug fixes from the trunk to the 0.97
 branch and release 0.97.1 bugfix release
 Good idea,
 I think this WE, i'll have time to look into that.
 I'm in exams at the moment, so don't have time to (learn how +) do the  
 merges.. Sorry!
 
 2 - once I fix (or anyone else who volunteers) 2 remaining
 bugs on MSNP15, do a release of a 0.98 alpha version for
 people to play with
 why not but we need to release both at the same time.
 Excellent, what are the bugs?
 
 3 - announce and officialize what we've been doing for aMSN2
 so far...

 I think the current work being done on aMSN2 is evolving
 nicely so far, so I think we can soon announce what it is,
 how it will work and move the code into the public SVN so
 everyone can start working on it.
 maybe i should do more svn up.
 Good idea about publicizing it.. It would be nice to set up Trac 
 (http://trac.edgewall.org/ 
 ) for aMSN2 as a bug reporting system. It seems to work well for other  
 projects, and could benifit us...
 
 What do you think about the first and second points?
 Anyone willing to do the 0.97.1 merges ?

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Notification window.

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

The branch is here
We only have to merge changes applied to the trunk to it
In fact I hope we will do 0.97.1 without any P15 code !
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Can be done, but we can also do it later...
 basically, why later.. only because the more I wait, the more chance someone 
 else will do this boring task... lol
 no seriously, the reason is because if we have two branches now, we'll have 
 to commit in both branches, which is difficult/complicated/blabla (and 
 more of a PITA than difficult).. but in the end, before we release, we will 
 still need to check every commit to make sure that we didn't forget any 
 bugfix, then apply them on the branch (like we did for previous versions but 
 skipped it for 0.97 since we had no new feature and it was a pain to do).
 so why waste time now, do the branch thing, then spend months developping and 
 double-commiting, and in the end, review each commit and apply missing 
 commits to the branch, while we could just develop normal, and in the end, 
 review each commit and apply bugfix commits to the branch ?
 that was my idea, I could be wrong, in the end, do whatever you think is best.
 
 KaKaRoTo
 
 On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 08:32:46PM +, Tom Hennigan wrote:
 Why not branch now? Then new features can go to trunk, bug fixes go on  
 the 0.97.1 branch?

 On 12 Jan 2008, at 20:26, Youness Alaoui wrote:

 I don't agree
 well.. I don't like the idea because we want to have a bugfix  
 release, and I don't want new features in...
 The MSNP15 was ok because everything was inside an 'if  
 [config::getKey protocol] == 15' so it wouldn't affect anything else.
 But now, you're already working on it, and scapor is also doing some  
 new stuff, so we're starting to get some improvements, and maybe  
 that's all
 because we just released, we're not in a feature freeze, so everyone  
 is happy and active... and I'm happy to see amsn-commits mailing  
 list flooding my
 inbox, so I don't want to stop anyone from doing what they think  
 should be done...
 Once we do the bugfix release, we might just apply patches one after  
 the other into the 0_97 branch or something like that and release  
 the version
 without any of the new 'unstable' functionality and leave the new  
 features for 0.98.

 KaKaRoTo

 On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 09:20:47AM +, square87 wrote:
 Hi all :)

 I just want to say that i'll start to work on notification window  
 to allow
 smileys and colored text in it. Just i did with topCW.
 If you are not agree or whatever: say it :P

 I'll update this post.

 Bye.
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Re: [Amsn-devel] About remind plugin

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

If you broke aMSN 0.94 compatibility once don't bother keeping other 
compatibility parts...
Hey ! aMSN 0.94 is so old : even debian hasn't it anymore !
Just do as you like...
Phil


Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 This is fixed in SVN now.  I dropped 0.94 support but only once so it's not
 clean yet.  If I find time and I don't forget I'll clean it up but I've got
 too much on my hands now.
 
 Karel.
 
 2008/1/9, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Humm... good point, then remind is in cause.. I never had any problems
 with it, but maybe i just don't notice... and you say log viewer doesn't
 have
 this problem ?
 then maybe looking at the difference one line at a time could help..
 or maybe (just an idea like that), doing inserts on a text widget before
 it is mapped on the screen is slow, so maybe doing an 'update idletasks'
 would help...
 if no solution is found.. doing an update every X iteration of the read
 loop will avoid the 'freezing' effect...

 KKRT

 On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 10:50:16AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote:
 Disabling the plugin removes the problem.  Also, having all other
 plugins
 disabled, I see the same problem. Then I put some debug info in the
 parse
 procs of remind and saw that the slowness comes from there.
 For me, to recreate the problem, configure the remoind plugin to show a
 lot
 of lines (like 50) and then reload it, and open a chat. THe window
 appears
 without content (whole grey here) and then after about 4 seconds the
 content
 appears.. during this time amsn was blocked.

 When remind is disabled, chatwindows appear instantanous.

 It could be another kind of problem that occurs during the parsing so it
 becomes very slow though but I don't get it.

 Karel


 2008/1/9, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 How can you be sure that it comes from remind plugin? could it be
 something else ?

 KKRT

 On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 12:59:02AM +0100, Philippe Valembois - Phil
 wrote:
 Hi,
 I never noticed that... I use it as soon as I chat with someone so I
 think I should have seen it...
 Philtaking a break

 Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 Hi,

 does some of you use the remind plugin ? I seem to have a problem
 with
 it:
 it's really slow with parsing the logfiles. A quick look showed me
 it
 uses
 allmost the same code as the logviewer does.  Although, showing
 like
 30
 lines of log in the chatwin takes some real seconds on my system
 (amsn
 being
 irresponsive during that time) while opening the logviewer with
 plenty
 of
 lines takes no time at all.

 I don't see what makes remind so much slower. Does someone know ?

 Karel.




 

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Re: [Amsn-devel] About remind plugin

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
I never noticed that... I use it as soon as I chat with someone so I 
think I should have seen it...
Philtaking a break

Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 does some of you use the remind plugin ? I seem to have a problem with it:
 it's really slow with parsing the logfiles. A quick look showed me it uses
 allmost the same code as the logviewer does.  Although, showing like 30
 lines of log in the chatwin takes some real seconds on my system (amsn being
 irresponsive during that time) while opening the logviewer with plenty of
 lines takes no time at all.
 
 I don't see what makes remind so much slower. Does someone know ?
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] plugin system question

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Well...
The trouble is that a plugin can't remove its own namespace in a clean 
way...
In the other hand, if the plugin is buggy and doesn't remove its after 
script we will have plenty users who will yield about bugs in aMSN and 
that mean must things to do for us : it means that we will have to warn 
the plugin maintainer etc...
The main trouble comes from that we can't approve or deny a plugin to be 
exectued... (that's a part of OpenSource : let's users do what they want 
:) )
So I think that's good for now... If you don't want to have the 
namespace : just restart aMSN...
Phil

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 I don't think we could force it, but it should be considered good 
 practice for a plugin to remove it's own namespace..
 
 On 5 Jan 2008, at 16:00, Karel Demeyer wrote:
 
 can't we say that cleaning those after's is a task for the plugin 
 maintainer to do in the de-init procedure ? If something bugs then, 
 it's the plugin's fault, not aMSN ?  For me it's weird that after 
 unloading a plugin it's still polluting memory ... Also this would 
 make it really easy to see if a specific plugin is loaded from other 
 plugins (namespace exist ::namespace).

 No reason for a debate ? :)

 Karel.

 2008/1/5, Philippe Valembois - Phil 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Because if they have after scripts pending that would cause huge bugs...
 And we can't clean after scripts :s
 Phil

 Karel Demeyer a écrit :
  Why are we not deleting namespaces of plugins when they are unloaded ?
 
 
  Karel.
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
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Re: [Amsn-devel] plugin system question

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Because if they have after scripts pending that would cause huge bugs...
And we can't clean after scripts :s
Phil

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Patch with -d nicknames

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Are you crazy 
Just put $msg between quotes
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Hi,
 First, welcome to the list! :)
 Thanks for the contribution but this patch is a hack and it shouldn't be done 
 this way. The real solution is much easier.. wherever we 
 see :
 font measure $font $msg
 replace it with :
 font measure $font -displayof . $msg
 
 The problem is that '-d' is interpreted as a shorthand for -displayof, and 
 it's only because we don't specify -displayof which will 
 take '.' as the default displayof... By enforcing it, we make sure that it 
 won't misinterpret our $msg value.
 so it's easy.. grep 'font measure', each one that *doesn't* have -displayof, 
 add it to it.
 
 Thanks,
 KaKaRoTo
 
 On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 01:42:58AM +0100, José Ramón Rubio Largo wrote:
 Hi.
 My name is Jose Ramon, I'm from Spain and I'm new writing in this list, so
 at first hi everyone and sorry about my english!! I like amsn project and
 I'm reading its source code the last days... so I'll try collaborate it in
 my few free time.

 I've seen http://www.amsn-project.net/wiki/Forums_TODO web and I send you a
 possible solution about the Critical bug
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=25112 that if someone has
 a '-d' in his nickname, amsn will crash!! It's my first patch and I'm
 learning TCL/TK now, but I think this patch could work fine, although I also
 think it's only provisional because the really bug is from measure
 operation from TCL/TK. With this patch, our amsn won't crash with these
 nicks.

 Files:
 abook.diff:I modify parseCustomNickStyled function to solve it when our
 contacts have -d in theirs nickname.
 smileys.diff:  I modify parseMessageToList to solve it when our nickname
 have -d.


 Have fun!



 -- 
 --
 ===
 José Ramón Rubio Largo
 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ( http://linuxcpp.extreblog.com )
 ===
 
 --- abook.tcl2007-12-15 21:26:16.0 +0100
 +++ abook.tcl2007-12-18 00:24:19.0 +0100
 @@ -787,7 +787,7 @@
  set l [lreplace $l $listpos 
 $listpos]
  incr llength -1
  
 -if { $p1 ne  } {
 +if { $p1 ne   $p1 ne -d} {
  set l [linsert $l 
 $listpos [list text $p1]]
  incr llength 1
  incr listpos 1
 @@ -799,7 +799,7 @@
  incr llength 1
  }
  
 -if { $p3 ne  } {
 +if { $p3 ne  $$ $p3 ne -d} {
  set l [linsert $l 
 $listpos [list text $p3]]
  incr llength 1
  #We must parse p3
 
 --- smileys.tcl  2007-11-04 17:16:18.0 +0100
 +++ smileys.tcl  2007-12-18 00:24:00.0 +0100
 @@ -612,6 +612,12 @@
  set p1 [string range [lindex $l 
 $listpos 1] 0 [expr {$pos - 1}]]
  set p2 $image_name
  set p3 [string range [lindex $l 
 $listpos 1] [expr {$pos + [string length $symbol]}] end]
 +if { $p1 eq -d || [string match $p1 
 -displayof]} {
 +set p1 
 +}
 +if { $p3 eq -d || [string match $p3 
 -displayof]} {
 +set p3 
 +}
  
  #TODO: #need to change for an 'in-place' lreplace (here and below)
  if { $p2 == __newline__ } {
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Release Sep 18th

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
as some of you already know, Youness will be busy for one month maybe a 
little more...
For me, I will be away from Internet (or almost away) from tomorrow 
afternoon and up to an unknown date (due to troubles with my new 
location...) so I don't think it's the good time to release now...
We should wait for my situation to settle (it has been said that in one 
month max all will be good) before releasing...
Sorry but that's life aleas...
Phil
P.S. Be quiet when I won't be here to monitor all you do/write ;)

Gustavo A. Dí­az a écrit :
 Sounds nice!!
 
 Anything related to the skin that should be done? So i could close the 
 2.0 version of Sapphire as well...
 
 Cheers.!
 
 Vivia Nikolaidou escribió:
 OK... I suggest we release on Sep 18th :)

 Now everyone, you have 5 days to commit your latest fixes! Just,
 please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, don't add any new
 langen keys, because translators will be confused!

 Unless there are any objections, of course...

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Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [9005] trunk/amsn

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
I know that cHoBi on IRC gave me once some dark skin patch... I know
that I fixed some but there are TewtWidget colors which are bad... I
don't really know if we should do this now...
And what about the splitting bar ? Is it fixed or not ?
I saw a bug in multi-contact conversation with DPs which aren't well
displayed... I don't really know how to fix that as this part of code is
kind of trick :p
Phil

Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
 YAY! Congrats! :))
 
 Now, I think we had a couple of minor bugs and diffs on the forum - for 
 example, the diff for dark themes is ready, we can apply it as-is ?
 
 And then yeah... RELEASE! (I think)
 
 hmmm... wasn't I supposed to re-enable the spaces stars in newCL?... :$ 
 Alright, wait for me there :)
 
 On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 
 FINALLY, the bug with the HTTP gateway is fixed! Read the cause and solution 
 at http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23472
 Look at the diff below, it was SO simple to fix in the end!!! 
 Now what's the next step? release 0.97 now ? what do you guys think ?

 wouhouu!!! :D

 KaKaRoTo

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [9005] trunk/amsn

 Revision: 9005
   http://amsn.svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=9005view=rev
 Author:   kakaroto
 Date: 2007-09-13 00:17:48 -0700 (Thu, 13 Sep 2007)

 Log Message:
 ---
 HTTP Proxy bug finally fixed. Was VERY easy, all we needed was the correct 
 information. The solution I found was completely wrong and so undoable.. 
 A huge thanks goes to pidgin guys who pinpointed the correct solution and to 
 hilbert70 from the forums for relaying to us what they found. For more info 
 read here : http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23470#23470

 Modified Paths:
 --
 trunk/amsn/protocol.tcl
 trunk/amsn/proxy.tcl

 Modified: trunk/amsn/protocol.tcl
 ===
 --- trunk/amsn/protocol.tcl  2007-09-11 10:04:06 UTC (rev 9004)
 +++ trunk/amsn/protocol.tcl  2007-09-13 07:17:48 UTC (rev 9005)
 @@ -3421,6 +3421,7 @@
  option -proxy 
  option -time 
  option -error_msg 
 +option -force_gateway_server 
  option -proxy_host
  option -proxy_port
  option -proxy_authenticate
 @@ -4425,6 +4426,7 @@
  
  status_log cmsn_open_sb: Opening SB $sb\n green
  
 +$sb configure -force_gateway_server [lindex [split [lindex $recv 3] 
 :]]
  $sb configure -server [split [lindex $recv 3] :]
  $sb configure -connected [list cmsn_conn_sb $sb]
  $sb configure -auth_cmd USR

 Modified: trunk/amsn/proxy.tcl
 ===
 --- trunk/amsn/proxy.tcl 2007-09-11 10:04:06 UTC (rev 9004)
 +++ trunk/amsn/proxy.tcl 2007-09-13 07:17:48 UTC (rev 9005)
 @@ -754,7 +754,11 @@
  
  #On direct http connection, use gateway directly as proxy
  if { [$sb cget -proxy_host] == } {
 -set proxy_host gateway.messenger.hotmail.com
 +set proxy_host [$sb cget -force_gateway_server]
 +if {$proxy_host ==  } {
 +set proxy_host gateway.messenger.hotmail.com
 +}
 +
  set proxy_port 80
  } else {
  set proxy_host [$sb cget -proxy_host]





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Re: [Amsn-devel] music plugin didn't work

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Hi,
that's not the place to deal with that...
This mailing list is only for developpers...
Users should go to aMSN forums at http://www.amsn-project.net/forums
Indeed, the best place to take aMSN and its plugin is on our website...
Alternative repositories aren't officially supported by us...
Anyway, please specify in your forum post :
- aMSN version
- plugin version
- OS
- Player you tested
Phil

Fabio a écrit :
 Hi everybody, i hope that this is the correct session to speak about it.
 Recently i downloaded amsn from a repository on an italian site.
 After that i downloaded some plugins..all plugin seems to work apart of
 music plugin. There is no way to show my friends what i'm listening...in
 a few words, this plugin doesn't work.
 Is there anybody with the same problem? or maybe i have to talk with the
 people that compile amsn and do their own repository? what did you
 suggest me? thanks and bye
 Fabio
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[Amsn-devel] Idleness...

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
as everybody has surely noticed, all aMSN project seems really idle 
since several weeks...
This mail is to say that in one week I will have finished all my exams 
and I really hope to have more time. That would lead to a release for 
the end of July and I hope nobody see any trouble in it... Especially 
KKRT who seems to be busy too... Anyway, if all goes well, next year 
should give me more time for aMSN...
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Re: [Amsn-devel] add contact problem

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Works here
Phil

Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 I'm not 100% sure of this but I think, when you add a contact and you
 choose the group in the adding dialog, the contact still appears in
 no group.  Can this be confirmed ?
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] default smileys

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Merde pour le Bac
Phil

Lord Zak a écrit :
 Thanks.
 Sorry, I'm not very active this time ; I just come back sometimes to 
 have a look to my mails, but for now, I'm preparing my exams. I'm going 
 to reply to him. Thanks a lot.
 
 I'll be back in 1 or 2 weeks, and then I'll see for animate the smileys, 
 and make them in a different size (22x22 and 17x17) for the 1.1 release :)
 
 Bye !
 
 2007/6/8, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Hi,
 this is a message to ubitux, please read and answer here :
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3502
 I sent it to the ML also because we need to know about the license,
 you were supposed to release the svg with
 the license you decided to use, I can't remember if you did that..
 can you please let us know what you decided ?
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Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!

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hey I don't let you lie :p
I read it from top to bottom and was really interesting ;)
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 oh great! thanks! :)
 I thought noone read that huge mail, lol..
 
 KKRT
 
 On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:08:13PM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote:
 Okay I've got round to putting it on the wiki
 (http://amsn-project.net/wiki/Dev:TclTk_Tutorial). I didn't put
 anything about multiline commands yet. But I think everything else is
 there!

 - Tom

 On 5/31/07, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, you reminded me of something...
 Most 'common problems' with tcl/tk are the lists theory, substitution 
 theory, and command theory.
 In short, the 'lists theory' is that everything is a list, and tcl works a 
 lot with list manipulations.
 substitution theory is that, if I do function $arg the $arg will be 
 substituted, and if it had a space, the
 'function' will get two arguments, if I do {function $arg} (the {} means 
 it's a list) the $arg will not be
 substituted and the argument will be the same as if I wrote function 
 \$arg. If I do [list function $arg] then
 $arg will be substituted but if it had a space in it, it will still count 
 as one argument (not two like
 before).. actually $arg will become a list element.
 Example :
 set file c:\My documents\file.txt
 if you do
 button .b -command open $file
 then it will fail because it would be the same as doing :
 button .b -command open c:\My documents\file.txt
 (this is what will be stored), so once evaluated, it will evaluate C:\My 
 as the first argument and
 documents\file.txt as the second argument.
 If you do :
 button .b -command {open $file}
 then it will fail because it will say $file : file not found unless you 
 create a file named $file
 if you do :
 button .b -command [list open $file]
 then it will work because Tcl will store the callback as : {open {C:\My 
 documents\file.txt}} (a list with two
 elements, the first being the command, the second being the argument).
 and finally, about the 'command theory', it's to say that EVERYTHING is a 
 command. even 'if'.. so the if is a
 command which takes :
 if expression body ?elseif body? ?elseif body? ... ?else body?
 so if you do :
 if $a return
 it works, if you want to do :
 if $a == $b return
 it won't work because you sent $a as one argument == as a second 
 argument (the body '==' is invalid, it
 would say that '==' is not a valid command) and $b as the third argument 
 (again error because it only accepts
 else and elseif) and return as the 4th argument. So you group them into a 
 list :
 if {$a == $b} return
 the {$a == $b} becomes a list. You could have also done :
 if [list $a == $b] return
 but it's better to put braces, and the 'if' command will evaluate the 
 expression and *substitute in the parent
 namespace* (which is why it works, even if { } will disable substitution).
 Also, you CAN'T do  :
 if {$a == $b} {
return 0
 }
 else
 {
return 1
 }

 because it will say else : invalid command. The commands are delimited by 
 either a ';' or by a newline, so
 when you close the brace after the if and go to the next line, it means 
 that you finished with the 'if'. This
 means you HAVE to put the 'else' on the same line as the closing brace of 
 the body, like this :
 if {$a == $b} {
return 0
 } else {
return 1
 }
 The same applies for the 'else' you can't put a newline after the 'else', 
 otherwise it will say { : invalid
 command.
 You can put newlines inside the body of the if only because we do a { } (if 
 you do [list] you'll need to put a
 backslash at the end of each line otherwise it will say missing close 
 bracket, like this :
 if {$a == $b} [list \
return 0 \
 ] else [list \
return 1
 ]
 but you DON'T WANT TO DO THIS because... well, remember { } allows you to 
 disable substitution, so if you do for
 example :
 if {$a == $b} [list return [exit]]
 then when evaluation the 'if', the [list return [exit]] will be evaluated 
 (to go as an argument of the if) and
 'exit' will be called even if $a != $b.
 So to continue, when you do the { }, nothing is evaluated, so if you do
 if { $a == $b } {
return 0
 }
 then if will get 2 arguments, the first being the expression and the second 
 being a list containing multiple
 elements : a newline, a series of spaces, a 'return', a '0' and a newline. 
 When the 'if' will evaluated that
 list, it will be evaluated as code and the variables/commands will be 
 substituted/evaluated and the newlines
 will be interpreted as command delimiters.
 You can also do something like this :
 set body { whatever_function $arg
  return 0
 }
 if {$a == $b} $body
 and since $body is not between { } it will be replaced by the code above...
 beware, if you did :
 if {$a == $b} {$body }
 then $body will only be substituted AFTER the if is entered and will be 
 evaluated as one command, it will say
 that :
 {whatever_function $arg
   return 0
 } : invalid command

 oh and yes, if you were meant to ask, yes, you can put 

Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Well,
just to say that my PS is silly and that the last explanation is really 
bad :d
If we click on a contact in
- virtual group (online offline mobile) : remove from, move to, copy to 
are disabled
- no group remove from, copy to are disabled
- standard group nothing disabled
Phil

Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit :
 Hi,
 I just committed on trunk (so I wait for a majority to commit it to 
 branch) some changes on the Mirko modifications on delete mangment.
 If we are right clicking on a contact in a real group there is : delete 
 user which will remove it from all groups and from all the CL and a menu 
 Remove from this group which will remove it from any group and, if it 
 isn't in any group will put it back in no group (in fact that's how the 
 protocol handles such a case).
 If we are in a virtual group (ie online, offline, mobile, no group) 
 remove from this group is disabled (as move to menu)
 Phil
 PS just noticed that's copy to menu which is disabled : will be fixed in 
 some minutes ;)
 
 Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit :
 Well,
 currently, if you press delete on a contact that is in several groups, 
 it is deleted from the group where you clicked and not from all 
 groups... Maybe we should change the menu entry according to the number 
 of times a contact is present in the CL and if it is present more than 
 once make menu entry appear like Remove from this group and avoid the 
 delete window that ask us to block the contact...
 Phil

 Mirko Hansen a écrit :
 Right, it has to be 'remove from group', I shouldn't try to think when 
 I'm too tired ;)
 I allowed myself to add it, I hope that was ok ... now group handling 
 should work as it should. :)
 As a consequence of the new function, we should also change the bahavior 
 of the delete, shouldn't we? Actually it removes the contact only from 
 current group (exactly that what 'remove from group' does) with the only 
 difference that it deletes the contact from the last group instead of 
 moving to no group. So I think delete should really *delete* the 
 contact (from all groups) and not only remove from current group.

 Mirko

 2007/6/2, Harry Vennik  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I think you're right Mirko, users don't think of it as a virtual
 group. I have it that way myself: groups for 'aMSN', 'Colleagues',
 'Family', 'Friends', and anyone else, who is on my CL for some
 reason, in 'No group'. So I think it might still be a good idea to
 allow dragging to nogroup (post 0.97 of course, so just use Phil's
 fix on branch).

 Anyway, we need a 'remove from group' (not a 'remove from all
 groups', the user can delete the contact from different groups one
 by one, a contact won't be in 10 groups at the same time, I suppose).

 And 'WLM behaves like that, so amsn should do, too.' is not much of
 an argument in this case. We follow WLM's behavior roughly, but not
 always exactly. The important thing is that WLM users that start
 using aMSN, should feel very familiar with it right away.

 Harry


 Op 1-jun-2007, om 22:21 heeft Mirko Hansen het volgende geschreven:

 Yeah, right, it's a virtual group, but the user doesn't know. He
 sees the group like a normal group and I think most of them, if
 they use groups, try to handle with it like that. But ok, WLM
 behaves like that, so amsn should do, too. Anyway, moving back to
 no group should definitely be possible, so we should add a
 remove from all groups to the context menu.

 Mirko


 2007/6/1, Youness Alaoui  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Indeed. Just so you know (in case you didn't realize it, but I
 think you did). The 'no group' is a virtual group
 (just like online/offline/mobile groups). It isn't listed as a
 group when we fetch the contact list. In WLM, the
 'no group' doesn't appear, instead you have users on the top
 of the CL without appearing inside a group (this
 means you can't collapse the users who aren't in a group).
 The only way to put a user in 'no group' is to
 remove it from all groups. To delete a user, we remove it from
 all groups, it becomes part of 'no group' then we
 have to remove it from the 'no group' virtual group for the
 user to be deleted from our CL.
 Humm.. I just tried in WLM and it seems they changed it a bit,
 now users in 'no group' aren't appearing in the
 root of the CL, they actually appear in a Other contacts
 group under all other groups (instead of being on
 the top like before). If you have the option 'group contacts
 offline' (our hybrid mode), then the 'other
 contacts' group is under the 'offline' group. In WLM, there is
 no such thing as 'move contact to 'other
 contacts' group, and there is no such thing as 'remove from
 all groups

Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
I just committed on trunk (so I wait for a majority to commit it to 
branch) some changes on the Mirko modifications on delete mangment.
If we are right clicking on a contact in a real group there is : delete 
user which will remove it from all groups and from all the CL and a menu 
Remove from this group which will remove it from any group and, if it 
isn't in any group will put it back in no group (in fact that's how the 
protocol handles such a case).
If we are in a virtual group (ie online, offline, mobile, no group) 
remove from this group is disabled (as move to menu)
Phil
PS just noticed that's copy to menu which is disabled : will be fixed in 
some minutes ;)

Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit :
 Well,
 currently, if you press delete on a contact that is in several groups, 
 it is deleted from the group where you clicked and not from all 
 groups... Maybe we should change the menu entry according to the number 
 of times a contact is present in the CL and if it is present more than 
 once make menu entry appear like Remove from this group and avoid the 
 delete window that ask us to block the contact...
 Phil
 
 Mirko Hansen a écrit :
 Right, it has to be 'remove from group', I shouldn't try to think when 
 I'm too tired ;)
 I allowed myself to add it, I hope that was ok ... now group handling 
 should work as it should. :)
 As a consequence of the new function, we should also change the bahavior 
 of the delete, shouldn't we? Actually it removes the contact only from 
 current group (exactly that what 'remove from group' does) with the only 
 difference that it deletes the contact from the last group instead of 
 moving to no group. So I think delete should really *delete* the 
 contact (from all groups) and not only remove from current group.

 Mirko

 2007/6/2, Harry Vennik  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I think you're right Mirko, users don't think of it as a virtual
 group. I have it that way myself: groups for 'aMSN', 'Colleagues',
 'Family', 'Friends', and anyone else, who is on my CL for some
 reason, in 'No group'. So I think it might still be a good idea to
 allow dragging to nogroup (post 0.97 of course, so just use Phil's
 fix on branch).

 Anyway, we need a 'remove from group' (not a 'remove from all
 groups', the user can delete the contact from different groups one
 by one, a contact won't be in 10 groups at the same time, I suppose).

 And 'WLM behaves like that, so amsn should do, too.' is not much of
 an argument in this case. We follow WLM's behavior roughly, but not
 always exactly. The important thing is that WLM users that start
 using aMSN, should feel very familiar with it right away.

 Harry


 Op 1-jun-2007, om 22:21 heeft Mirko Hansen het volgende geschreven:

 Yeah, right, it's a virtual group, but the user doesn't know. He
 sees the group like a normal group and I think most of them, if
 they use groups, try to handle with it like that. But ok, WLM
 behaves like that, so amsn should do, too. Anyway, moving back to
 no group should definitely be possible, so we should add a
 remove from all groups to the context menu.

 Mirko


 2007/6/1, Youness Alaoui  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Indeed. Just so you know (in case you didn't realize it, but I
 think you did). The 'no group' is a virtual group
 (just like online/offline/mobile groups). It isn't listed as a
 group when we fetch the contact list. In WLM, the
 'no group' doesn't appear, instead you have users on the top
 of the CL without appearing inside a group (this
 means you can't collapse the users who aren't in a group).
 The only way to put a user in 'no group' is to
 remove it from all groups. To delete a user, we remove it from
 all groups, it becomes part of 'no group' then we
 have to remove it from the 'no group' virtual group for the
 user to be deleted from our CL.
 Humm.. I just tried in WLM and it seems they changed it a bit,
 now users in 'no group' aren't appearing in the
 root of the CL, they actually appear in a Other contacts
 group under all other groups (instead of being on
 the top like before). If you have the option 'group contacts
 offline' (our hybrid mode), then the 'other
 contacts' group is under the 'offline' group. In WLM, there is
 no such thing as 'move contact to 'other
 contacts' group, and there is no such thing as 'remove from
 all groups', but there is the contextual menu :
 group options - copy contact to   - group1
   group1
   etc..
  move contact to   - group1

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hey !
Could you please stop with all these useless speaking ? I am totally
lost now...
Anyway, all of that is silly because before creating the DL manager we
MUST rewrite all the CW and we haven't do anydiscussion about it...
Using TkHTML or not ? How should we design internals ? How many snits
objects ? and so on...
I know why Youness love this thread : he is like me and many others : he
is afraid of beginning the CW rewrite.
IMO, you should hurry to release 0.97Final to avoid too complicated
merges between trunk and branch.
And overall, we could begin by the new prefs window : that's necessary 
to do that and maybe has less impact than CW rewrite...
So stop to worry about a negligible part of the UI there are many more 
important things to worry...
Phil
P.S. I can say now that my F7 is ready (took time because I wanted to
clean my compiz/beryl git RPMs). Now I will be ready to code ! Mouahahahah !

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 08:11:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote:
 Youness Alaoui wrote:
 Ok, I see, the hide the mini infobar (I call it like that for the bar
 in the CW) when FT managr is opened, I
 think it would be confusing, no ? how do you feel about it with that
 extension you're using ?
 when FTman is open (and active) no infobar is shown

 
 I know, I was asking about how it felt usability-wise.
 
 Anyways, the main issue you're bringing here is about the DM (FTMan)
 being in a tab or not. I explained all my design in a previous mail,
 and it was to appear in a tab of the currently focused container
 whenever you open
 the DM (by either accepting a file and having the option to show when
 you start a transfer, or by using the Ctrl-Alt-T hotkey), if you have
 multiple containers, then you would have a DM window as a tab in each
 container (only if you open the transfer window while having the
 container focused).
 [...]

 I think that displaying it as a tab in a non-tab-centrical environment may 
 appear confusing;
 Opera *is* tab-centrical :)

 
 yes, which is why I said if using non-tabs, then have it as a seaparate 
 window. Of course it wouldn't be as a 
 tab if you have tabs disabled (it wouldn't even be possible because if you 
 don't use tabs, you won't have the 
 container to put it in).
 Problem I see now is about the menubar, it won't fit for the transfers tab. 
 So maybe even if in tabbed mode, it 
 should be a separate window...
 
 You can always detach the DM tab, or
 you can have it appear as a separate window if you don't use tabbed
 browsing. Now that I'm thinking about it, it would be good to have an
 option for 'show as a tab' or 'show as a standalone window' for when
 user has tabbed windows enabled.

 yep, maybe

 You would have one line in the infobar per download currently
 happening in the current CW.
 IMO having one infobar per transfer per contact would be ok.

 yes, + an additional 'download manager', because the infobar is not enough to 
 provide all the options, otherwise 
 it would be too bloated.
 
 * Having tabs disabled, each window would have its own group of infobars 
 (maybe with right click options to cancel, pause or whatever you can do with 
 it; ffox has click-to-toggle/untoggle pause);

 right click isn't the best choice, many users don't know that right click 
 exists, and on Mac it would be 
 difficult because of the command/ctrl-click to activate the right click...
 
 * if tabs are enabled clicking on a tab would update the infobar with 
 contact's own transfers

 
 well, if the infobar is in the CW, then it wouldn't matter, the buttonbar and 
 all that are part of the CW, when 
 we switch tab, we switch the whole CW, so infobars would go along with it, we 
 don't just replace the 
 output/input areas...
 
 WLM actually stops here (ok, no infobar there, it's just an inline 
 widget), you may now want to add the DM; this may show up on demand, right 
 clicking on the infobar or clicking on a you have N transfers open link 
 right on the infobar, or whatever...

 
 yeah, that's the idea. The 'you have N transfers open' is a good idea for 
 when the user has more than X 
 transfers at the same time (3 ?) to avoid having the infobar too big for 
 transfer-addict users... 
 But anyways, the idea was to have the DM + the infobar, and clicking the 
 infobar would bring up the DM.
 
 Or... well I don't know guys :D just a stream of thoughts...

 
 sure no prob, that's what brainstorming is, right ? You see, you came up with 
 a good idea (you have N transfers 
 open), and it helped me think of putting that if there are too many 
 transfers! 
 
 bye :)

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Well,
currently, if you press delete on a contact that is in several groups, 
it is deleted from the group where you clicked and not from all 
groups... Maybe we should change the menu entry according to the number 
of times a contact is present in the CL and if it is present more than 
once make menu entry appear like Remove from this group and avoid the 
delete window that ask us to block the contact...
Phil

Mirko Hansen a écrit :
 Right, it has to be 'remove from group', I shouldn't try to think when 
 I'm too tired ;)
 I allowed myself to add it, I hope that was ok ... now group handling 
 should work as it should. :)
 As a consequence of the new function, we should also change the bahavior 
 of the delete, shouldn't we? Actually it removes the contact only from 
 current group (exactly that what 'remove from group' does) with the only 
 difference that it deletes the contact from the last group instead of 
 moving to no group. So I think delete should really *delete* the 
 contact (from all groups) and not only remove from current group.
 
 Mirko
 
 2007/6/2, Harry Vennik  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 I think you're right Mirko, users don't think of it as a virtual
 group. I have it that way myself: groups for 'aMSN', 'Colleagues',
 'Family', 'Friends', and anyone else, who is on my CL for some
 reason, in 'No group'. So I think it might still be a good idea to
 allow dragging to nogroup (post 0.97 of course, so just use Phil's
 fix on branch).
 
 Anyway, we need a 'remove from group' (not a 'remove from all
 groups', the user can delete the contact from different groups one
 by one, a contact won't be in 10 groups at the same time, I suppose).
 
 And 'WLM behaves like that, so amsn should do, too.' is not much of
 an argument in this case. We follow WLM's behavior roughly, but not
 always exactly. The important thing is that WLM users that start
 using aMSN, should feel very familiar with it right away.
 
 Harry
 
 
 Op 1-jun-2007, om 22:21 heeft Mirko Hansen het volgende geschreven:
 
 Yeah, right, it's a virtual group, but the user doesn't know. He
 sees the group like a normal group and I think most of them, if
 they use groups, try to handle with it like that. But ok, WLM
 behaves like that, so amsn should do, too. Anyway, moving back to
 no group should definitely be possible, so we should add a
 remove from all groups to the context menu.

 Mirko


 2007/6/1, Youness Alaoui  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Indeed. Just so you know (in case you didn't realize it, but I
 think you did). The 'no group' is a virtual group
 (just like online/offline/mobile groups). It isn't listed as a
 group when we fetch the contact list. In WLM, the
 'no group' doesn't appear, instead you have users on the top
 of the CL without appearing inside a group (this
 means you can't collapse the users who aren't in a group).
 The only way to put a user in 'no group' is to
 remove it from all groups. To delete a user, we remove it from
 all groups, it becomes part of 'no group' then we
 have to remove it from the 'no group' virtual group for the
 user to be deleted from our CL.
 Humm.. I just tried in WLM and it seems they changed it a bit,
 now users in 'no group' aren't appearing in the
 root of the CL, they actually appear in a Other contacts
 group under all other groups (instead of being on
 the top like before). If you have the option 'group contacts
 offline' (our hybrid mode), then the 'other
 contacts' group is under the 'offline' group. In WLM, there is
 no such thing as 'move contact to 'other
 contacts' group, and there is no such thing as 'remove from
 all groups', but there is the contextual menu :
 group options - copy contact to   - group1
   group1
   etc..
  move contact to   - group1
   group2
   etc..
  remove contact from group
 The 'group options' don't appear if you sort by status.
 The 'remove contact from group' removes the user from the
 current group (in which you right clicked the
 contact).
 The 'remove contact from group' doesn't appear if the user is
 in 'other contacts'.
 If you have a user in multiple groups you have to remove
 contact from group from all the groups in order for
 it to go to 'other contacts'.
 As much as you can't drop a user to the 'offline' group, you
 also can't drop a user to the 

Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

If I remember well, I coded it like that : No group is considered as a 
virtual group like online/mobile/offline and dropping to it was recently 
fixed by disallowing it...
Phil
PS As I am the one who coded this part of code (based on the work done 
by Karel/Burger), I can reply easily to questions about this code (and 
to blames too :( ) ;)

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Indeed. Just so you know (in case you didn't realize it, but I think you 
 did). The 'no group' is a virtual group 
 (just like online/offline/mobile groups). It isn't listed as a group when we 
 fetch the contact list. In WLM, the 
 'no group' doesn't appear, instead you have users on the top of the CL 
 without appearing inside a group (this 
 means you can't collapse the users who aren't in a group). The only way to 
 put a user in 'no group' is to 
 remove it from all groups. To delete a user, we remove it from all groups, it 
 becomes part of 'no group' then we 
 have to remove it from the 'no group' virtual group for the user to be 
 deleted from our CL.
 Humm.. I just tried in WLM and it seems they changed it a bit, now users in 
 'no group' aren't appearing in the 
 root of the CL, they actually appear in a Other contacts group under all 
 other groups (instead of being on 
 the top like before). If you have the option 'group contacts offline' (our 
 hybrid mode), then the 'other 
 contacts' group is under the 'offline' group. In WLM, there is no such thing 
 as 'move contact to 'other 
 contacts' group, and there is no such thing as 'remove from all groups', but 
 there is the contextual menu :
 group options - copy contact to   - group1
   group1
   etc..
  move contact to   - group1
   group2
   etc..
  remove contact from group
 The 'group options' don't appear if you sort by status. 
 The 'remove contact from group' removes the user from the current group (in 
 which you right clicked the 
 contact).
 The 'remove contact from group' doesn't appear if the user is in 'other 
 contacts'.
 If you have a user in multiple groups you have to remove contact from group 
 from all the groups in order for 
 it to go to 'other contacts'.
 As much as you can't drop a user to the 'offline' group, you also can't drop 
 a user to the 'other contacts' (so 
 you can't drag/drop a contact to 'no group' which would remove him from all 
 other groups).
 
 That being said, I don't know what the solution with amsn should be. Right 
 now, if we drop a user to 'no group', 
 we get a bug report (because we send the ADC moving the contact to group '0' 
 (which is no group) and the server 
 responds with a 403 error, which we don't check (we do a [lindex $response X] 
 to get the group id to which the 
 user got moved to, and then we check the variable list_$group or something, 
 so if $group is empty, we get an 
 error because $list_ doesn't exist. we should check if [lindex $response 0] 
 is ADC or an error message to make 
 sure we don't 'handle' the ADC in the wrong way.
 
 I think dropping should be disabled for no group (as well as mobile and 
 offline) and maybe just allow the 
 'delete from group' instead of only 'delete'. But I don't see why a user 
 would want to put a contact in no 
 group, if he wants, he can create a group named other contacts or no 
 group or whatever, and move the contact 
 there. the 'no group' should be used ONLY when adding a new user, then once 
 you move it to a proper group, it 
 should stay in a 'valid' group. That's the purpose of 'no group' in my 
 opinion. I might be wrong though.
 
 So.. solution would be to disable drag/drop to no group, and leave the 
 behavior as it is, if we want to allow 
 users to move to no group, then the 'delete from group' method used by WLM 
 would be the way to go.
 What do you think ?
 
 p.s. : sorry for the YAHEFY (yet another huge email from Youness :p).
 
 kaKaRoTo
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 01:31:36PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote:
 I think the second way is the best. However, when a contact is  
 dragged to No Group, and actually the contact is in multiple groups,  
 then the user should be warned that moving a contact to No Group will  
 remove it from any group it was in, and not just the group it was  
 dragged from.

 Harry

 Op 1-jun-2007, om 13:19 heeft Mirko Hansen het volgende geschreven:

 Hi guys,

 I tried to fix the bug reported on http://www.amsn-project.net/ 
 forums/viewtopic.php?t=3418 and there I noticed that the group  
 handling is some kind of incomplete relating especially to the no  
 group. To the user this group appears a normal group, although it  
 isn't, but the user doesn't even know. So I think the user should  
 be able to handle with this special group almost the same as with a  
 normal group. Drag  drop 

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Just got an idea about the chatwindow bar that could display FTs of a 
contact : to avoid it to be too huge, we could make the several files 
switching over the time...
For example, I DL a file, it is displayed in the bar, I download another 
file, it is displayed on the bar in place of the old one and on every 
30seconds (for example) it could cycle over current FTs
Phil

square87 a écrit :
 I would like to have a simple FT manager. Where all actual 
 downloads/uploads are listened. FT chronology is a nice idea.
 
 Possible ideas:
 *Use notification window to notify that a download is finished or failed;
 *If an upload is failed i could really love a restart upload button;
 *The possibility to close FT manager without deleting downloads/uploads.
 *Maybe it could be useful to have two tabs in FT manager: downloads, 
 uploads.
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Group handling

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hum chuuut ! I just fixed it ! I hope noone else saw the bug :p
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 ok, so you're the one to blame? :p
 because, as I said, I just tested (with latest SVN) to drop a contact in no 
 group, and we get the bug report.. I 
 guess something undid your fix...
 
 KKRT
 
 On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 04:58:40PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:
 If I remember well, I coded it like that : No group is considered as a 
 virtual group like online/mobile/offline and dropping to it was recently 
 fixed by disallowing it...
 Phil
 PS As I am the one who coded this part of code (based on the work done 
 by Karel/Burger), I can reply easily to questions about this code (and 
 to blames too :( ) ;)

 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Indeed. Just so you know (in case you didn't realize it, but I think you 
 did). The 'no group' is a virtual group 
 (just like online/offline/mobile groups). It isn't listed as a group when 
 we fetch the contact list. In WLM, the 
 'no group' doesn't appear, instead you have users on the top of the CL 
 without appearing inside a group (this 
 means you can't collapse the users who aren't in a group). The only way 
 to put a user in 'no group' is to 
 remove it from all groups. To delete a user, we remove it from all groups, 
 it becomes part of 'no group' then we 
 have to remove it from the 'no group' virtual group for the user to be 
 deleted from our CL.
 Humm.. I just tried in WLM and it seems they changed it a bit, now users in 
 'no group' aren't appearing in the 
 root of the CL, they actually appear in a Other contacts group under all 
 other groups (instead of being on 
 the top like before). If you have the option 'group contacts offline' (our 
 hybrid mode), then the 'other 
 contacts' group is under the 'offline' group. In WLM, there is no such 
 thing as 'move contact to 'other 
 contacts' group, and there is no such thing as 'remove from all groups', 
 but there is the contextual menu :
 group options - copy contact to   - group1
   group1
   etc..
  move contact to   - group1
   group2
   etc..
  remove contact from group
 The 'group options' don't appear if you sort by status. 
 The 'remove contact from group' removes the user from the current group (in 
 which you right clicked the 
 contact).
 The 'remove contact from group' doesn't appear if the user is in 'other 
 contacts'.
 If you have a user in multiple groups you have to remove contact from 
 group from all the groups in order for 
 it to go to 'other contacts'.
 As much as you can't drop a user to the 'offline' group, you also can't 
 drop a user to the 'other contacts' (so 
 you can't drag/drop a contact to 'no group' which would remove him from all 
 other groups).

 That being said, I don't know what the solution with amsn should be. Right 
 now, if we drop a user to 'no group', 
 we get a bug report (because we send the ADC moving the contact to group 
 '0' (which is no group) and the server 
 responds with a 403 error, which we don't check (we do a [lindex $response 
 X] to get the group id to which the 
 user got moved to, and then we check the variable list_$group or something, 
 so if $group is empty, we get an 
 error because $list_ doesn't exist. we should check if [lindex $response 0] 
 is ADC or an error message to make 
 sure we don't 'handle' the ADC in the wrong way.

 I think dropping should be disabled for no group (as well as mobile and 
 offline) and maybe just allow the 
 'delete from group' instead of only 'delete'. But I don't see why a user 
 would want to put a contact in no 
 group, if he wants, he can create a group named other contacts or no 
 group or whatever, and move the contact 
 there. the 'no group' should be used ONLY when adding a new user, then once 
 you move it to a proper group, it 
 should stay in a 'valid' group. That's the purpose of 'no group' in my 
 opinion. I might be wrong though.

 So.. solution would be to disable drag/drop to no group, and leave the 
 behavior as it is, if we want to allow 
 users to move to no group, then the 'delete from group' method used by WLM 
 would be the way to go.
 What do you think ?

 p.s. : sorry for the YAHEFY (yet another huge email from Youness :p).

 kaKaRoTo



 On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 01:31:36PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote:
 I think the second way is the best. However, when a contact is  
 dragged to No Group, and actually the contact is in multiple groups,  
 then the user should be warned that moving a contact to No Group will  
 remove it from any group it was in, and not just the group it was  
 dragged from.

 Harry

 Op 1-jun-2007, om 13:19 heeft Mirko Hansen het volgende geschreven:

 Hi guys,

 I tried to fix the bug reported on http://www.amsn-project.net

Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Heey,
so much speaking without me :'(
Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ?
Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many
people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN
if HIG would say that I would be totally against. By the way, HIG as
some really strange ideas about notification icons... And I hate Gnome
:p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) )
Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think
that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think
it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to
maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window)
Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose
it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl
manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as
soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p)
Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads
various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that.
With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you
receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your
contact).
I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without
any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s)
But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also
in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT
related things in the same place.
Phil
PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me
too easily :d

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 that's the point of the brainstorming :)
 
 On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote:
 Karel Demeyer wrote:

 Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT
 manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM
 program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main
 activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once
 they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ?
 I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all

 it's true that file manager does have progress dialogs, but this is a - 
 erm - IM program, does really an IM program need a dialog progress bar? 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Just backported in branch...
I wondor for Scapor modification...
Author: scapor
Project:amsn
Revision:   8782
Changed Lines:  61
tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find
chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ?
Phil
PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 well done on your first commit! 
 
 by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so 
 you can see all the commits.
 
 Keep it coming ;)
 
 KKRT
 
 On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote:
 Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to
 me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already
 know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and
 actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really
 time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the
 last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my
 best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it
 before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made
 mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :)

 I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :)

 Bye,
 Mirko

 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 yeah, sounds intriguing right ?
 well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that
 he's been added as part of the team.
 So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful.
 Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been
 following the ML for a little while now
 so you should know how we work. in short ;
 1 - a bugfix, you can commit
 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed
 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed
 4 - a new feature should be discussed.

 Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but
 he promised to do his best to try and
 help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that
 he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll
 learn it all pretty soon.

 KaKaRoTo

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

I didn't want to speak about long time histories but more about pending
FTs... Those we display with the accept link : having it in the same
list could be great IMO...
Phil

Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Heey,
 so much speaking without me :'(
 Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ?
 Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many
 people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN
 if HIG would say that I would be totally against.
 
 The HIG doesn't state file transfer managers should be in the main
 window;  it was just a choice to remove clutter.  A lot of usability
 guidelines say you shouldn't open too much individual windows though.
 
 By the way, HIG as
 some really strange ideas about notification icons...
 
 They declare 'm as notification icons, instead of how it is used
 mostly in windows: as a solution to the taskbar being too small for
 all windows (which is a design flaw of the taskbar, so the taskbar
 should be changed instead of using the notification tray as a
 taskbar2)
 
 And I hate Gnome
 :p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) )
 
 :D
 
 Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think
 that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think
 it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to
 maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window)
 Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose
 it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl
 manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as
 soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p)
 Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads
 various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that.
 With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you
 receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your
 contact).
 I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without
 any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s)
 But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also
 in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT
 related things in the same place.
 
 Many therefor it's also easier to put it on the right underneath the
 DP's of your contact(s) as it would take more lines)
 
 
 About the need for a manager to find files that were sent to you in
 the past: why not incoporate it in the chat history ?  the transfer
 took place in a chat .. so if you want to find it again, you can
 search that chat by date/contact and if we have it possible to put
 (inside the chathistory) some interactive lines (an open file and
 open dir  and remove file link, that is inactive if the file
 doesn't exist anymore) ...  ideas ?
 
 
 Phil
 PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me
 too easily :d

 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 that's the point of the brainstorming :)

 On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote:
 Karel Demeyer wrote:

 Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT
 manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM
 program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main
 activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once
 they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ?
 I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all

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Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hoayo !!!
Welcome to you ! That's always a pleasure to get someone more !
Especially when you see all these idle developers (no you won't get any
name : everyone should look at his commits and judge by himself if he is
idle or not :p)
Anyway if you need any information you can ask to Youness my MSN and if
I am connected don't hesitate to ask me : you won't maybe get an
instantaneous answer (eating takes a huge part of my life according to
Youness) but you will get an answer. If I am not connected... Ah! don't
forget that we have now OIMs !
Well, this mail seems maybe a little light and not as solemn as it
should but hey, we don't bury anyone ;)
Phil
PS It really seems I have smoked something suspicious but I assure you I
am totally clean and ready to work on... my homework :(

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 Salut :-)
 
 On 30 May 2007, at 09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Welcome! :) Another addition to our  unstoppable army. We will fight!
 (Sorry watched Pirates of the Caribbean for the 2nd time last night :D)

 Tom

 On 30/05/07, * Bart O* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hands up for Mirko! Welcome



 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  yeah, sounds intriguing right ?
  well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to
 announce that he's been added as part of the team.
  So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be
 helpful.
  Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think
 you've been following the ML for a little while now
  so you should know how we work. in short ;
  1 - a bugfix, you can commit
  2 - a change to the UI should be discussed
  3 - a change of behavior should be discussed
  4 - a new feature should be discussed.
 
  Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone
 else) but he promised to do his best to try and
  help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it
 shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll
  learn it all pretty soon.
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

That's fun to see how people have the nood to justify them ;)
Do you feel like a culprit Tom ?
Phil

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 I'm only idle because of my exams (9 days until they're over :-D)!  
 And I'm doing a fair bit of work 'behind the scenes/svn' on building  
 tcltk 8.4.15, to have unicode support, and be back compatible with  
 Mac OS 10.3.9 (this takes such a long time on my puny processor), and  
 some stuff regarding the packaging of the final release!! I'll be  
 less idle (or more productive is better I think!) after my exams!

 - Tom

 On 30 May 2007, at 14:06, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:

   
 Hoayo !!!
 Welcome to you ! That's always a pleasure to get someone more !
 Especially when you see all these idle developers (no you won't get  
 any
 name : everyone should look at his commits and judge by himself if  
 he is
 idle or not :p)
 Anyway if you need any information you can ask to Youness my MSN  
 and if
 I am connected don't hesitate to ask me : you won't maybe get an
 instantaneous answer (eating takes a huge part of my life according to
 Youness) but you will get an answer. If I am not connected... Ah!  
 don't
 forget that we have now OIMs !
 Well, this mail seems maybe a little light and not as solemn as it
 should but hey, we don't bury anyone ;)
 Phil
 PS It really seems I have smoked something suspicious but I assure  
 you I
 am totally clean and ready to work on... my homework :(

 Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 
 Salut :-)

 On 30 May 2007, at 09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Welcome! :) Another addition to our  unstoppable army. We will  
 fight!
 (Sorry watched Pirates of the Caribbean for the 2nd time last  
 night :D)

 Tom

 On 30/05/07, * Bart O* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hands up for Mirko! Welcome



 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 yeah, sounds intriguing right ?
 well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to
   
 announce that he's been added as part of the team.
 
 So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be
   
 helpful.
 
 Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think
   
 you've been following the ML for a little while now
 
 so you should know how we work. in short ;
 1 - a bugfix, you can commit
 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed
 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed
 4 - a new feature should be discussed.

 Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone
   
 else) but he promised to do his best to try and
 
 help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it
   
 shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll
 
 learn it all pretty soon.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] tk error ?

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Shame on you Youness :p
Ctrl-Alt-Escape is a shortcut to xkill !!
You should really come back to Linux you were so better before :d
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 humm.. probably because 'escape' is a binding to destroy the window.. maybe 
 we should put a 'after idle' in the 
 binding to make sure any event handler gets executed first..
 but why did you do ctrl-alt-escape.. does it have any special meaning ?
 
 KKRT
 
 On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:07:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote:
 Got his error witrh latest svn:

 14:04:16]  GOT TCL/TK ERROR : {{bad window path name
 .container_2.msg_2.f.bottom.left.in.inner.text}}
 Stack:
 bad window path name .container_2.msg_2.f.bottom.left.in.inner.text
 while executing
 winfo class $w
 (procedure tk::TraverseToMenu line 6)
 invoked from within
 tk::TraverseToMenu .container_2.msg_2.f.bottom.left.in.inner.text 
 (command bound to event)
 Code: NONE
 [14:04:16] -
 [14:04:16]  AMSN version: 0.97b - AMSN date: 05/27/2007 01:11:23
 [14:04:16]  TCL version : 8.4.14 - TK version : 8.4.14
 [14:04:16]  tcl_platform array content : osVersion
 2.6.20-16-generic byteOrder littleEndian threaded 1 machine i686
 platform unix os Linux user scapor wordSize 4
 [14:04:16] -

 When pressed Ctrl-Alt-Esc when teh focus was on a chatwindow.  Seems
 like a TK problem ?

 Karel.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

That was intended to come with total rewrite of the new ChatWindow : so
yes it is planned ;)
Phil

[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
 I mean FT Manager of course...
 
 On 28/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Is there any chance of a 'download manager' being added to the TODO?
 Cause I'd be wiling to work on that :)
 
 Tom
 
 
 On 11/05/07, *Youness Alaoui * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I'll start this new thread about the 0.98 TODO. It is still very
 small now, and I hope it will get expanded with
 time. The 0.97 TODO is complete, 0.97 RC1 will be released soon
 (once we get the new smiley set lordzak/ubitux
 is doing), and we'll make a branch and start working on 0.98. So
 here's my current TODO list :
 
 - HIGH PRI : Implement the new preferences window
 - Implement a new chat window widget in snit with totally
 modular code and using events.
 - very nice idea : be able to record a message to be sent as
 voiceclip in the custom status/autoaway message :
 ( http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3272
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

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Nooo ! ;)
This idea from MSN is really bad : we always lost our FTs when we are in
a deep conversation with someone. The FT Manager let us to see exactly
what we have donloaded and so on...
Phil

Harry Vennik a écrit :
 I think this is a very good idea. Would be better than 1 window per FT.
 An alternative would be, to integrate the progress indication for FT
 into the chat window. (a progressbar etc. in the notification message
 that an FT invitation was sent).
 
 Op 28-mei-2007, om 11:25 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende geschreven:
 
 I mean FT Manager of course...

 On 28/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there any chance of a 'download manager' being added to the
 TODO? Cause I'd be wiling to work on that :)

 Tom


 On 11/05/07, *Youness Alaoui * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 I'll start this new thread about the 0.98 TODO. It is still
 very small now, and I hope it will get expanded with
 time. The 0.97 TODO is complete, 0.97 RC1 will be released
 soon (once we get the new smiley set lordzak/ubitux
 is doing), and we'll make a branch and start working on 0.98.
 So here's my current TODO list :

 - HIGH PRI : Implement the new preferences window
 - Implement a new chat window widget in snit with totally
 modular code and using events.
 - very nice idea : be able to record a message to be sent as
 voiceclip in the custom status/autoaway message :
 ( http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3272
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3272)



 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

I would have thought about a FTManager tab in the Chat Window...
Simple to make and better to see all your transfers for every Chat
Putting this in Main window is silly IMO as you can't start a FT from
here...
Phil

Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 Idd.
 
From a usability standpoint, I think it would be best to have all
 downloads in 1 FTmanager 'window', to avoid clutter and to make it
 overseeable. But I think it would be even better to embed this
 'window' in the main amsn window to avoid clutter.  In the caht window
 we could have a text saying (to check the status of this file
 transfer, see the main window).
 My idea is like this:
 
 |  |
 +--+
 | event log [v]|
 +--+
 |File transfers:[-]|
 +--+
 |Filename 1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|
 |  [===]   |
 | Open Cancel  |
 |  |
 |Filename 2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|
 |  [===]   |
 | Open Cancel  |
 +--+
 
 (watch with monospace font)
 
 when the [-] (button) is clicked, it should show:
 
 |  |
 +--+
 | event log [v]|
 +--+
 |File transfers:[+]|
 +--+
 
 (to expand again, click [+])
 
 Ideas, suggestions ?
 
 Another idea would be to have the file transfer UI be embedded in the
 chatwindow, on the tab of the chat where the ft was started, but not
 in the conversation itself but on the right of it (where the dp of the
 user is).  This space is not used for anything else, and this way the
 FT stays with the chat.  As they have a link, they are easy to find
 this way. As FT's are not amsn's main activity and I don't see some
 users doing a lot of FT's together this would still be overseeable.
 
 Ideas here ? Suggestions ?
 
 
 Karel.
 
 2007/5/28, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Nooo ! ;)
 This idea from MSN is really bad : we always lost our FTs when we are in
 a deep conversation with someone. The FT Manager let us to see exactly
 what we have donloaded and so on...
 Phil

 Harry Vennik a écrit :
 I think this is a very good idea. Would be better than 1 window per FT.
 An alternative would be, to integrate the progress indication for FT
 into the chat window. (a progressbar etc. in the notification message
 that an FT invitation was sent).

 Op 28-mei-2007, om 11:25 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende geschreven:

 I mean FT Manager of course...

 On 28/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there any chance of a 'download manager' being added to the
 TODO? Cause I'd be wiling to work on that :)

 Tom


 On 11/05/07, *Youness Alaoui * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 I'll start this new thread about the 0.98 TODO. It is still
 very small now, and I hope it will get expanded with
 time. The 0.97 TODO is complete, 0.97 RC1 will be released
 soon (once we get the new smiley set lordzak/ubitux
 is doing), and we'll make a branch and start working on 0.98.
 So here's my current TODO list :

 - HIGH PRI : Implement the new preferences window
 - Implement a new chat window widget in snit with totally
 modular code and using events.
 - very nice idea : be able to record a message to be sent as
 voiceclip in the custom status/autoaway message :
 ( http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3272
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3272)



 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

I dislike the separated Window and Main Window for FT because like Karel
I don't like to search 100 years for a window but I often only keep my
chat window open...
The most logical would be to have FTs near the chat window of the bound
contact so I would say a FT tab for each container and for users who
don't use tabs add one especially for FT ? (I am not sure for this last one)
Anyway, when I want to chat I don't want to have the side of a window
taken by the download manager : don't forget that's a huge window so how
would you integreate this near the chat window...
Unlike Live we provide several informations/options for each file...
About moving file, I don't know if we can display a directory browser
but idea seems interesting but not using a right clic (think about Mac
user and their Command-click) and that's so better to provide a button
like we have already for other actions...
Phil

Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 2007/5/28, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hmm, I don't see the point of putting the FT manager in the CL Window, it
 has simply nothing to do with the CL.
 
 The main window is not only about the CL, it's about aMSN on it's whole !
 
 I'd say we'd either embed it in the chat as I suggested (but Phil rejected
 that already),
 As it would scroll away and make it impossible to watch while chatting.
 
 or have a separate FT manager window, just to have all FT's
 in one window, and to keep some FT history (so when you know that Mr X sent
 you some file yesterday, you can open the FT window, and you can see the
 completed FT from Mr X there...). Also it would be nice to have some way
 (right-click menu?) there that allows you to move the file from 'amsn
 received files' to somewhere else, or delete the file. This will allow a
 user to accept an FT, open the file to see if he likes it, if yes, put it in
 some sensible location, otherwise delete it. The look of the window could be
 similar to the Downloads window in Firefox or Safari.
 
 Which is all possible in my 1st idea, without having yet another
 window open.  This way, there's no ned to search for the window in you
 window manager, it's in teh main amsn window most users will have on
 their screen while using amsn anyway.
 Harry


 Op 28-mei-2007, om 14:58 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende
 geschreven:

 I agree with Karel - we should have a tab in the main window. That way,
 if/when we have tabbed CLs for multiple logins then it can be just another
 tab on the end..? Or maybe different...

  On 28/05/07, Karel Demeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So in a seperate window for non-tabbed-window users and in what tabbed
 window for ppl who use tabs per group ? Or only have the ft's of the
 chats of a specific container in the FT tab of that container ? So an
 FT tab per container ?
 You can 't start FT's from that FT tab either, don't you ? Doesn't
 this make it more difficult to find ? Or silly ?
 This means I can't chat with a person and see the status of the FT on
 the same moment ? I think it's very much needed to be able to see the
 status while your chatting wityh the person who sent the file or
 you're sending a file to! (this can be done with both my ideas and a
 FT manager in a seperate window)

 How is it simpler to make ?

 The question I have when I choose between my 2 ideas, is is it needed
 to see all downloads in 1 place ? ... will ppl have so much FT's all
 together so it's a needed feature sto see 'm both ?  Because I'm not
 yet sure of this I have two ideas.




 2007/5/28, Philippe Valembois - Phil 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I would have thought about a FTManager tab in the Chat Window...
 Simple to make and better to see all your transfers for every Chat
 Putting this in Main window is silly IMO as you can't start a FT from
 here...
 Phil

 Karel Demeyer a écrit :
 Idd.

 From a usability standpoint, I think it would be best to have all
 downloads in 1 FTmanager 'window', to avoid clutter and to make it
 overseeable. But I think it would be even better to embed this
 'window' in the main amsn window to avoid clutter.  In the caht window
 we could have a text saying (to check the status of this file
 transfer, see the main window).
 My idea is like this:

 |  |
 +--+
 | event log [v]|
 +--+
 |File transfers:[-]|
 +--+
 |Filename 1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|
 |  [===]   |
 | Open Cancel  |
 |  |
 |Filename 2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|
 |  [===]   |
 | Open Cancel  |
 +--+

 (watch with monospace font)

 when the [-] (button) is clicked, it should show:

 |  |
 +--+
 | event log [v]|
 +--+
 |File transfers:[+]|
 +--+

 (to expand again, click [+])

 Ideas, suggestions ?

 Another idea would be to have the file

Re: [Amsn-devel] Bug on start

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

I didn't even notice the PS...
Be happy as I could have put retired :p
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 LOL @ ps..
 
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 10:23:38AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Okay, sorry :) I do normally read the forums. Although I checked there after
 you suggested it and found nothing :S Oh well, I'll update my tcl/tk later
 today.

 Thanks!
 Tom

 ps: Are you calling me INACTIVE? :@ Well, I am, so I suppose I can't
 complain... :D

 On 27/05/07, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Forums ? :d
 In some words, update your tcl/tk to 8.5a6 or better
 Even inactive devels should read forums :d
 Phil

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 Error in startup script: extra characters after close-brace
 while executing
 set command
 [list  $self  {*}$Snit_optionInfo(configure-$option)  $option]
 
 (procedure snit::RT.CacheConfigureCommand  line 36)
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 {.plugins_log.info yview}
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 $instance $instance]
 (procedure RT.ConstructInstance line 9)
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 invoked from within
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Bug on start

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Forums ? :d
In some words, update your tcl/tk to 8.5a6 or better
Even inactive devels should read forums :d
Phil

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 Error in startup script: extra characters after close-brace
 while executing
 set command [list  $self  {*}$Snit_optionInfo(configure-$option)  $option]
 
 (procedure snit::RT.CacheConfigureCommand  line 36)
 invoked from within
 snit::RT.CacheConfigureCommand  $type $selfns $win $self $option
 (procedure ::snit::RT.method.configurelist line 7)
 invoked from within
 ::snit::RT.method.configurelist $type $selfns $win $self $args
 (procedure ::snit::RT.method.configure line 4)
 invoked from within
 $self configure -width $arrow1width
 (procedure ::pixmapscrollbar::Snit_constructor line 154)
 invoked from within
 ::pixmapscrollbar::Snit_constructor ::pixmapscrollbar
 ::pixmapscrollbar::Snit_inst1 .plugins_log.ys .plugins_log.ys -command
 {.plugins_log.info yview}
 (eval body line 1)
 invoked from within
 eval [linsert $arglist 0  ${type}::Snit_constructor $type $selfns
 $instance $instance]
 (procedure RT.ConstructInstance line 9)
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 (procedure ::snit::RT.widget.typemethod.create line 53)
 invoked from within
 scrollbar $window.ys -command $window.info yview
 (procedure ::pluginslog::draw line 12)
 invoked from within
 ::pluginslog::draw
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 if { $initialize_amsn == 1 } {
  ::pluginslog::draw
 }
 (file pluginslog.tcl line 210)
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 (uplevel body line 27)
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 # amsncore.tcl is already loaded but we'll re-source it here in
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Re: [Amsn-devel] remember me bugfix

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Commited in r8762 on trunk
Branch will be synced later
Phil

Mirko Hansen a écrit :
 no problem. actually a CreateProfile creates the new profile, writes the
 new config and reactivates the last profile. i think this behavior is
 still from the time before you introduced the new login window, but that
 isn't really useful when you try to login with the new profile after
 that because the last one is reactivated. what i did is creating the new
 profile and let this profile active. so the newHOME isn't needed
 anymore, because you won't load the last profile again, so i used HOME
 to save memory by not using another useless temporary variable. the
 password and the remember me flag are the only temporary variables i
 need to save, because they are reset by the call of configDefaults.
 after creating the new, empty profile, i write them back to the config,
 save config and free the memory of the two unused variables.
 alright? everything clear? i hope i explained it understandable ...
 
 Greetings,
 Mirko
 
 2007/5/25, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 Hi Mirko, thanks for the patch, but could you explain exactly what
 happens in the patch? why each line of the
 diff is there, why rename newHOME into HOME, why move the 'set
 oldpassword' a few lines before, etc...
 otherwise, we can't understand this...
 Thanks!
 
 KKRT
 
 On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 06:54:20AM +0200, square87 wrote:
  Hello all.
  Maybe Mirko are talking about this reported problem:
  http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3267highlight=
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3267highlight=
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Well...
Main trouble comes from autobright webcams which adjust themselves the
brightness. I know that gspca has a strange way to that : if you change
color it will reset brightness setting or sth like that. That's a bit
strange and I still wonder if it is V4L compliant... Anyway, I would say
that's not a so important as there is only one person who reported that
and he is idle now...
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 ok.. noone to confirm this ??? :@
 
 
 On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:55:33AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 Can anyone confirm this : 
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2970
 It's been sitting in my TODO for months now, and it's been confirmed by many 
 many users, but I don't have a 
 webcam to actually test if this is true, so can anyone take care of that 
 please? 
 thanks

 KKRT

 On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 09:27:10PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 Removed :
 - Add new smileys for the *help, *9mil, etc.. all those new IM things
 (list is *sierra *bgca *9mil *hsus *komen *one *mssoc *care *acs
 *oxfam *mod *help *red+u *unicef *wwf *naf )

 Changed :
 - Fix bug with 'wm iconphoto' on win98... this should be 'catch'-ed
 and fallback on old method.
 Into
 - Fix windows icons (they now have some weird blue colors...)

 Comments :
 What's left now from the new skin ? sounds ? anything else ? we release now 
 ?

 Complete 0.97 TODO:
 - Finish the new Skin
 - Update FAQ... 
 - Fix windows icons (they now have some weird blue colors...)




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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

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I fixed it...
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 ok, can you debug with 'puts' to see if the lines that reset the settings are 
 ever called ? and if any error 
 occurs there ?
 
 KKRT
 
 On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:39:41PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
entry
   attributewebcam/dev/video0:0/attribute
   value16384:51200:32768:303/value
/entry

 but the 303 setting is ignored :(

 so yes, the settings are stored but never restored...

 On Sat, 19 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

 ok, hard to understand what you did, but ok. in other words, at the end, 
 the testaccount should have reset the value to 303, instead of 
 getting the 'decent value' when you started it.
 btw, the 256/303 is not problematic I think. as long as it's not 6 vs. 
 10... 
 anyways, it just confirms it, it doesn't reset the values... can you look 
 at your config settings to see if it saved all the values 
 correctly in the config ? it either doesn't save the value (so you get  
 instead of 303:0:0:0) or it doesn't set it when you open the 
 cam (I doubt that though).

 KKRT

 On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:21:48PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
 OK, yes, you were right. I fired up 2 aMSN instances and set the color 
 slider to a very small value (303) on the testaccount. The other one 
 immediately set color to 256, not 303. I closed the testaccount, set it 
 back to a decent value on the normal account, then started the testaccount 
 again, it had more or less the decent value set. The visual effect 
 corresponded to the slider value.

 On Sat, 19 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

 ok, well, 'which slider works' is another issue, but can you try the 
 color slider to some other values apart from 0 ? see if it really 
 keeps the exact same value after you restart (maybe you need to restart 
 the PC or just change those values using another application to 
 see if amsn changes them back to what they're supposed to be or if it 
 does nothing but as long as you didn't reboot, the kernel keeps 
 the old value saved).

 Also try to have a visual effect on the cam, so for example, you put it 
 in black and white (color=0) and see if you get it blackwhite 
 next time (maybe the setting is set to 0, but the image doesn't reflect 
 that setting?)

 KKRT

 On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 12:40:56PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
 On Sat, 19 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

 ok.. noone to confirm this ??? :@
 Well, the color slider seems to be the only one to work acceptably 
 with 
 ov511, so I set it to 0 and restarted amsn, and it was still 0. Unless 
 this is not what the thread is about... (any brain cleaning products 
 around?)

 On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:55:33AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 Can anyone confirm this : 
 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2970
 It's been sitting in my TODO for months now, and it's been confirmed 
 by many many users, but I don't have a 
 webcam to actually test if this is true, so can anyone take care of 
 that please? 
 thanks

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

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Hey,
what the fuck ??? :p
Please calm down :
Youness we know you finished your job but that's not a reason to be so
nervous !! Relax
About this 0.97 thread : Vivia you renamed it but you did reply so your
Mail client added a References field in your headers :
 37 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 38 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 39 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So everybody who display its mail using threads view will see it as a
children of these previously referenced mails...
Anyway, the memleak seems to be in Tcl/Tk8.5 as after some heavy tests,
with Tcl/Tk8.4 the same code doesn't leak... I will investigate in
Tcl8.5 versions to see if some of them are good...
Phil
PS And please stop say fuck in every sentence :@ We are not in United
States and we are well educated people :p

Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
 On Fri, 11 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:
 
 WHAT THE FUCK???
 
 what the fuck yourself 
 
 FIRST, this is the 0.98 TODO mail thread, so why the fuck would you spam it 
 with this memleak shit ? 
 
 Because I renamed it to 0.97 TODO, so it's not the same thread anymore.
 
 second, why would you reply to this thread, rename the subject into 0.97 
 TODO and talk about something other 
 than 0.98 TODO ?
 
 See above.
 
 third, which memleak are you talking about  I heard NOTHING 
 about ANY memleak, so now, you say 
 NO, please, please, fix the darned memleak first while I haven't heard of 
 anything fucking memleak... try to 
 make sure you introduce the subject next time! maybe something like 'btw, we 
 found a memleak, let's try and fix 
 it before releasing'
 
 It had been discussed on the forum and on irc. Not my fault if you don't 
 know it.
  
 fourth, if it's a gnotify memleak then it has nothing to do with amsn, since 
 it's a plugin, so unofficial, so 
 unsupported, so it won't prevent us from releasing 0.97.
 
 When i wrote the first mail i had no idea, ubitux told me. Phil 
 investigated it and said it's not in gnotify itself.
 
 and finally, I like to have my threads clean, I have one fucking thread 
 about 0.97 TODO, and everything in it is 
 related to 0.97 TODO.. NO SPAM now, I have this 0.98 TODO thread with 
 already 5 mails in it without ANY 
 relation to the TODO, and this thread became 'dirty', so I'll have to write 
 a new mail so it becomes into a 
 separate thread in my mail program just so we can discuss the damn 0.98 TODO 
 list.
 
 Not my fault if your mail program thinks it's the same thread even if the 
 subj is changed. If someone changes the subject , obviously they start 
 talking about sth else.
 
 NO SPAM PLEASE!
 
 I should start approving some spam so you should really know what NO SPAM 
 means...
 
 KaKaRoTo

 On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:40:37PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote:
 On Fri, 11 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote:

 The 0.97 TODO is complete, 0.97 RC1 will be released soon (once we get 
 the new smiley set lordzak/ubitux is doing), and we'll make a branch and 
 start working on 0.98. So here's my current TODO list :
 NO, please, please, fix the darned memleak first, i cannot keep amsn open 
 for a long time :( i'll try more debugging later, but the other day with 
 phil we couldn't figure out the leak

 - HIGH PRI : Implement the new preferences window
 - Implement a new chat window widget in snit with totally modular code and 
 using events.
 - very nice idea : be able to record a message to be sent as voiceclip in 
 the custom status/autoaway message : 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] gnotify memleak

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Just compile tcl/tk 8.5 WITHOUT Xft (I mean --disable-xft and not only
removing enable) and you won't get any memleak...
Tcl/Tk team is working on the bug...
Bug is
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=112997aid=1717830group_id=12997
Phil

Bart Otten a écrit :
 Ehmm.where was this all aboutI am suffering a memleak myself.. :S
 
 Grz ehh...Bert? Bart? Bram?
 
 Op Saturday 12 May 2007 19:27:45 schreef Youness Alaoui:
 didn't work... the memleak is still there... you got another trick/patch?
 :p

 On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 01:14:16PM +0200, Bart Otten wrote:
 KKRT, take both hands, bring them to your ears and massage thembreath
 inbreath out... ;-)

 Grz,
 Bart

 Op Saturday 12 May 2007 04:50:39 schreef Youness Alaoui:
 if you want to fucking talk about gnotify memleak, do it here and don't
 you dare answer in the wrong thread again!
 you know what, I'll fix it so you can all just shut the hell up

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Re: [Amsn-devel] PSM isn't cleared (and Music plugin doesn't work)

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
Fixed in r8583.
About music plugin, I wiill write you a mail in private as it isn't the
place to discuss that but as I need fast replies we will avoid forums...
Phil

Harry Vennik a écrit :
 Thanks Marco, for the bug report.
 
 I tested it a few times. And it seems the gui doesn't update if the  
 new psm is empty. (The PSM is changed to empty according to the  
 protocol log). I'll have a look at it.
 
 Harry
 
 Op 9-mei-2007, om 14:51 heeft Marco Radaelli het volgende geschreven:
 
 Ok, I was wrong when saying the file is guicontactlist.tcl, as the  
 name suggests :-/




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 A: amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Inviato: Mercoledì 9 maggio 2007, 14:47:03
 Oggetto: [Amsn-devel] PSM isn't cleared (and Music plugin doesn't  
 work)

 Hello,
 I noticed this in 8582 (doesn't even work if I unload Music plugin).

 I'm on Windows XP, using the default skin that comes with the  
 latest SVN versions.

 There's no crash, simply when I have a PSM and want to clear it  
 (clearing the text in the second line of the Change Nick window  
 it does nothing.


 Seems to work in 8568, and not in 8569.

 Changes in guicontactlist.tcl are so many that I, knowing nothing  
 about Tcl/Tk, didn't go further :)


 Is it ok that I send a bug like this to the mailing list (as I'm  
 not a dev), or should I use the forums instead?


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Re: [Amsn-devel] CL Bug

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Fixed in r8576
Phil

Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 I got that too, but I believe it's been fixed in the latest revision.
 
 On 5/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Got this error when logging in. Assume it's to do with the new
 underline stuff on the cl :)
 
 
 can't read underlinst(ul): no such element in array
 while executing
 set underlinst(ul)
 (procedure drawNick line 82)
 invoked from within
 drawNick
 (procedure cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped line 33)
 invoked from within
 cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped
 (eval body line 1)
 invoked from within
 eval cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped
 invoked from within
 catch eval $command errorMsg
 (procedure run_exclusive line 20)
 invoked from within
 run_exclusive cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped draw_online 
 (procedure cmsn_draw_online line 17)
 invoked from within
 cmsn_draw_online 0 1
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Re: [Amsn-devel] CL Bug

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Should be finally fix in a good way with r8581
Phil

tonighx a écrit :
 sorry but I still have the same bug
 
 2007/5/8, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Fixed in r8576
 Phil

 Tom Hennigan a écrit :
 I got that too, but I believe it's been fixed in the latest revision.

 On 5/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Got this error when logging in. Assume it's to do with the new
 underline stuff on the cl :)


 can't read underlinst(ul): no such element in array
 while executing
 set underlinst(ul)
 (procedure drawNick line 82)
 invoked from within
 drawNick
 (procedure cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped line 33)
 invoked from within
 cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped
 (eval body line 1)
 invoked from within
 eval cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped
 invoked from within
 catch eval $command errorMsg
 (procedure run_exclusive line 20)
 invoked from within
 run_exclusive cmsn_draw_buildtop_wrapped draw_online 
 (procedure cmsn_draw_online line 17)
 invoked from within
 cmsn_draw_online 0 1
 (after script)


 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 TODO

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Hi,
I am not a lawyer but I think that Creative Commons License is
compatible with the GPL one...
Anyway, I think your choice is compatible...
Phil

Lord Zak a écrit :
 
 
 You could use GPL, LGPL,, etc... most of actually works for icons
 (example Oxygen) are considered to be libs too, so they use LGPL...
 or whatever similar.
 You could read them all so to choose the one that fits to your ideal.
 
 I will only include this great work on my skin if they are GPL or LPGL.
 
 Cheers.
 
 
 
 Yes of course I was looking for something like that. But they are
 pictures, so I'm looking for a specific license. I would like to use the
 Creative Commons Licenses, Attribution only :
 *Attribution* (by): Permit others to copy, distribute, display and
 perform the work and make derivative works based upon it only if they
 give the author or licensor the credits in the manner specified by
 these. (Wikipedia)
 Are you agree with that ?
 
 
 Thanks for the feedback!
 The smileys are really nice, they look like MSN's smileys and they
 have this great 'anime' look that I just love
 :D I totally vote to use your smileys :d
 One question though... are there any animated ones in the lot ? I
 saw all .png.. but afaik, png is not
 animated... do you plan on leaving all of them 'plain' ?
 thx
 
 KKRT
 
 
 lol I'm happy you think they're great ^^
 For the first release, the won't be animated, sorry. But, after that,
 I could work on it, but I need some time... So yes the will, but not now.
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] UVC webcam stop working at revision 8464

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Arfff !!!
Just played a little with the extension !
I was sure I used MJPEG but I used YUV...
Well I am happy to say you that you use an old generation webcam : you
surely bought it in a lost place because I bought the same webcam at the
same date at Paris and I got a new gen 5000Pro (niark :d)...
I did a little mod to capture extension and now I get the bug...
So now I can test it !
Expect a fix soon...
Phil

giopas a écrit :
 Nobody experience the same problem as mine with a uvc webcam (Logitech
 5000 Pro)? The strange thing is that I can use webcam smoothless with
 ekiga or luvcview, but no more with amsn (last svn revision).
 
 1. I recompiled uvc module,
 2. I rebooted with an older (and previously working with amsn+webcam) kernel
 3. I started amsn with a new desktop user, in order to have a clean
 ~/.amsn folder
 ...but noting changed.
 
 I have not idea what originates it. Any idea/suggestion?
 
 Thanks,
 giopas
 
 ps: I know that this is not the right place to ask for help, but I'm
 quite sure this problem is related to a recent bug/chages...
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] UVC webcam stop working at revision 8464

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This bug is fixed in r8571...
Please test...
David you can test too as it should fix yours too...
These IO errors are so silly : they lead me to think the fault was with
the driver
Anyway, I repeat it again and again, PWC is a pure shit as it made me
introduce this nasty bug :@
Without PWC all worked perfectly before my attemps to fix for PWC...
If any PWC user read here please remind to Luc Saillard that he still
has to fix his driver. pwc-10.0.12-rc1.tar.bz2 still contains the bug...
Phil

Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit :
 Arfff !!!
 Just played a little with the extension !
 I was sure I used MJPEG but I used YUV...
 Well I am happy to say you that you use an old generation webcam : you
 surely bought it in a lost place because I bought the same webcam at the
 same date at Paris and I got a new gen 5000Pro (niark :d)...
 I did a little mod to capture extension and now I get the bug...
 So now I can test it !
 Expect a fix soon...
 Phil
 
 giopas a écrit :
 Nobody experience the same problem as mine with a uvc webcam (Logitech
 5000 Pro)? The strange thing is that I can use webcam smoothless with
 ekiga or luvcview, but no more with amsn (last svn revision).

 1. I recompiled uvc module,
 2. I rebooted with an older (and previously working with amsn+webcam) kernel
 3. I started amsn with a new desktop user, in order to have a clean
 ~/.amsn folder
 ...but noting changed.

 I have not idea what originates it. Any idea/suggestion?

 Thanks,
 giopas

 ps: I know that this is not the right place to ask for help, but I'm
 quite sure this problem is related to a recent bug/chages...

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[Amsn-devel] Close or Dock...

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
here is a bug report complaining about aMSN not closing when clicking on
the close button :
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1681820group_id=54091atid=472655
Yeah, I know this isn't a bug as he chose to dock aMSN when it asked him...
Anyway, users should be able to change their decision and being able to
configure it without creating a new profile...
So, I think we should add it to prefs but I don't where and how...
Maybe Karel you can help us on that as you are the one who decided to
remove all these options from menus...
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Re: [Amsn-devel] UVC webcam stop working at revision 8464

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Well...
That's really strange !
I do have a QuickCam Pro 5000 with last SVN too (r102) fresh compiled on
kernel 2.6.20.6 (FC6 last kernel)
And it works perfectly here...
giopas what is the output ? How old is your webcam ?
David when you put trace=127 on uvcvideo, output of that is done on
dmesg and you didn't mentionned any output from it...
Phil

giopas a écrit :
 Philippe Valembois - Phil ha scritto:
 As soon as you get an Input/Output error, the bug doesn't come from aMSN
 but from the driver and I won't do anything to change that !
 I use uvcvideo with my Logitech QuickCam 5000 and it works perfectly
 with aMSN. So driver is the same and software is the same : the bug is
 in the driver. Don't forget that a driver is an interface between
 software and hardware so it must act the same even if the hardware
 changes...
 Phil
 
 I've the same problem: I've just compiled last svn amsn (v. 8546) and
 last svn uvc driver (v. 102) and my webcam doesn't  work with amsn.
 Since 2 weeks averything worked fine (I'm just come back from a 10 days
 holiday :D ).
 
 It's not a problem of uvc, because ekiga and luvcview work fine.
 
 I remember that last month Youness reverted a little change that was
 been committed in svn, because of the impossibility of using webcam
 after that change. Maybe it's just the same thing... (I've no idea
 unfortunatelly...)
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] UVC webcam stop working at revision 8464

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

What is this reset patch ?
Anyway, the bug is with uvcvideo and not with aMSN...
I had I/O errors sometimes with my webcams and all I had to do was to
rmmod the module, unplug/replug cam and modprobe the module...
Now it seems to be fixed for me.
Maybe your webcam is a recent one and isn't well supported : your are
the only to report such troubles...
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 'with reset patch'.. what's the reset patch ? could it be the one causing the 
 issue ? 
 
 KKRT
 
 On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:39:27AM +0200, David Girault wrote:
 Yes I did.

 Trunk of UVC driver release 99 with reset patch was used.
 As I can see today, current svn version 101 doesn't include noticable
 change in ioctl handling.

 AMSN SVN release used is 8504.

 Regards,
 David


 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Did you get the latest version of the uvc driver ? because the bug is 
 probably in UVC and it was fixed at some 
 time after you got the latest version of the driver ?

 KKRT

 On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 11:22:57PM +0200, David Girault wrote:
   
 Hi all,

 Sorry for this late answer, I have little problems with my mail server.

 Well, for the two test I'd list in my previous email, I just done the
 first one!

 I apply the Reset patch that can be found in the uvcvideo mailing list.
 So my buggy webcam work well now with luvcview (both in mjpeg and yuv
 mode). I add the trace=127 option to the uvcvideo kernel module.

 But I have still no luck with aMsn! Attached to this email, the trace
 from uvcvideo module.
 aMsn exit just after issuing its first VIDIOC_DQBUF ioctl.

 Same error occurs each time, even if I unplug the cam and plug it again.
 I run luvcview before each test with aMsn, just to be sure the cam is
 working.

 Below, the log of aMsn when launched from the console:

 -
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ amsn
 Playing WAVE '/usr/share/amsn/skins/default/sounds/offline.wav' : Signed
 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
 ioctl:
 VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL(id=9963778;type=unknown;name=;minimum=0;maximum=0;step=0;default_value=0;flags=0):
 Input/output error
 ioctl: VIDIOC_REQBUFS(count=1;type=VIDEO_CAPTURE;memory=MMAP): Invalid
 argument
 ioctl: VIDIOC_G_CTRL(id=9963776;value=-1221664132): Input/output error
 ioctl: VIDIOC_G_CTRL(id=9963777;value=-1221664132): Input/output error
 mjpg: panic: no more input data
 Oops: malloc_video_bufs is 1 (expected 0)
 [utils/linux/capture/libng/grab-ng.c:malloc_bufs_check:235]
 Oops: processes is 1 (expected 0)
 [utils/linux/capture/libng/convert.c:process_check:179]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $
 -


 I think that my PVR board isn't the source of the pb since aMsn alway
 open the good /dev/video1.

 Sorry to not provide better help,

 Regards,

 David


 Vivia Nikolaidou a écrit :
 
 Hello David,

 As you might have seen in the 0.97 TODO thread, we'd like to know the 
 progress on this issue. In your mail below you said you had some pending 
 tests to do. Have you completed them? So far, it seems that you are the 
 only one who is having problems with this revision :S

 Vivia

 On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, David Girault wrote:

   
   
 Hello,

 I am not sure you're right. I update UVC driver and AMSN to last SVN
 version yesterday.
 AMSN release is 8504. UVC driver release is 95.

 And webcam configuration dialog still crash. I need to do more tests.
 Just to be sure there is not problem with uvcvideo module unloading (I
 unload previous version and load the new one without reboot).

 For information, I also have a PVR150 card in my PC which use last svn
 version of ivtv-0.10 driver branch.
 PVR150 is /dev/video0
 UVC webcam is /dev/video1 (when it was not locked due to hw bug, its a
 Logitech Fusion)

 The two next tests:
 -Be sure that uvc module loaded is the last one,
 -Remove automatic loading of ivtv driver so webcam is alway at 
 /dev/video0

 Regards,
 David


 Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit :
 
 
 Please upgrade your uvcvideo driver... Current revision is r95 and I 
 know it works with it...
 Phil

 David Girault a écrit :
   
   
   
 Hi,

 What a fast response time! Thanks a lot!

 Well, after emerging last svn version (revision 8479), Webcam assistant
 work again.
 So this confirm the problem is with patch 8464.

 Regards,
 David

 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 
 
 
 Ok, thanks for reporting, I reverted that change and committed it in 
 revision 8475

 KaKaRoTo


 On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 11:52:32PM +0200, David Girault wrote:
   
   
   
   
 Hi all,

 I'd just subscribe to this mailing list, and I can help testing!
 I have made Gentoo ebuild to install the lastest svn version of amsn.

 Tody, I wan't to install lastest svn version (8473) but my webcam
 doesn't work anymore. After some search, the cause is the release 
 8464.

 Doesn't investigate more for the moment because I don't know V4L2 API
 yet

Re: [Amsn-devel] away for a while

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
that's now the time for me to announce my leaving... I enter in a period
where I will have to many work... That's how French eductionnal system
works ;) You don't do anything during two years and finally you need to
provide a huge work to manage to enter in the engineer school you want
(that's a contest). So I don't have any other solution than leaving the
team for 4 weeks... So either you release without me either you wait 4
weeks ;)
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Hi,
 just letting you know that I'll be away for a little while, I'll be out of 
 town from thursday to sunday 8th... 
 so if you send me (or the ML) a mail asking about something, don't expect me 
 to answer until monday...
 I hope to see the msn spaces implementation done by then!
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] away for a while

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Grrr... Bastard :p
I am not in holidays... :@
Phil

Lord Zak a écrit :
 Happy holidays :)
 
 Vive la France xD
 
 2007/4/8, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi,
 that's now the time for me to announce my leaving... I enter in a period
 where I will have to many work... That's how French eductionnal system
 works ;) You don't do anything during two years and finally you need to
 provide a huge work to manage to enter in the engineer school you want
 (that's a contest). So I don't have any other solution than leaving the
 team for 4 weeks... So either you release without me either you wait 4
 weeks ;)
 Phil

 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
  Hi,
  just letting you know that I'll be away for a little while, I'll be out
 of town from thursday to sunday 8th...
  so if you send me (or the ML) a mail asking about something, don't
 expect me to answer until monday...
  I hope to see the msn spaces implementation done by then!
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Colorednicks plugin

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Just remember I tested it that yesterday and overstrike worked
But underline would conflict with skin underlining... so I wonder if
it's a good idea to implement it...
Phil

square87 a écrit :
 Hi Phil.
 I didn't subscribe the amsn-commits ML yet. But i saw the new changes on
 the
 repository.
 I already updated colorednicks plugin, but i cannot test it because i
 have a
 problem to see underline and overstrike style...
 ( http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2963 ).
 But underline and overstrike styles should work.
 
 The link is: http://in.solit.us/archives/download/17140
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Improvement on 'alarm' window

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Hi,
be careful with time formats... There is preferences for that... I don't
know if it should apply here (I didn't really followed the thread) but
it's only a warning...
Phil

tonighx a écrit :
 I searched the code and I think it's good enough in the log system
 so I would suggest
 
 set myDate [ clock format [clock seconds] -format %d %b %Y %T ]
 
 label .${wind_name}.txt -text [trans on] $myDate\n$nick ($user)\n$msg\n
 
 this woul avoid a lot of small but complicated entries il the language files
 
 2007/3/23, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 in this case you shoul do it in this way everytime time and date
 appear (like lconvstartedOIM and other log entries)

 2007/3/23, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 yes indeed, it should be translatable, but not the same way you specified 
 it..
 instead of  : %d/%m/%y [trans at] %H:%M it should be : [trans at 
 %d/%m/%y %H:%M] because maybe in some
 language the date should come after the time or something..

 KKRT


 On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 11:03:21AM +0100, tonighx wrote:
 shuldn't this be translatable? some thing like this...

 set myDate [ clock format [clock seconds] -format %d/%m/%y [trans at] 
 %H:%M ]

 label .${wind_name}.txt -text [trans from]: $nick ($user)\n[trans
 time] $myDate\n\n$msg\n


 2007/3/23, Sake Sashimi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Kakaroto,

 Here is the diff for alarm_3:

 Index: alarm.tcl
 ===
 --- alarm.tcl   (revision 8280)
 +++ alarm.tcl   (working copy)
 @@ -307,9 +307,9 @@

 if { [::alarms::getAlarmItem ${config_user} pic_st] == 1 ||
 [::alarms::getAlarmItem ${config_user} sound_st] == 1 } {
 toplevel .${wind_name}
 -   set myDate [ clock format [clock seconds] -format  -
 %d/%m/%y at %H:%M ]
 -   wm title .${wind_name} [trans alarm] $user $myDate
 -   label .${wind_name}.txt -text $msg
 +   set myDate [ clock format [clock seconds] -format 
 %d/%m/%y
 at %H:%M ]
 +   wm title .${wind_name} [trans alarm] - $nick
 +   label .${wind_name}.txt -text From: $nick ($user)\nTime:
 $myDate\n\n$msg\n
 pack .${wind_name}.txt
 }

 Thanks,
 Sakesashimi


 On 3/22/07, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 Hi,
 thanks for the screenshots, well done, I like both the alarm_1.jpeg and
 alarm_3.jpeg...
 I don't know exactly which one is better, maybe alarm_3 is better...
 If you can send the patch for alarm_3, that would be nice.

 Thanks,
 KaKaRoTo

 On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 07:30:20PM -0400, Sake Sashimi wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I came across to the 'alarm window' thread in the forum:


 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=16396
 I add some improvement on the alarm window so that user can clearly see
 the
 information right now.

 I attached some screenshots of several improvements that I made.  The
 'alarm_original.jpeg' is the original one without improvement.

 Please let me know which one you like :) (hopefully you like it)

 Cheers,
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Colorednicks plugin

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square87 wrote :
 2007/3/22, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi,
 
 Hi Phil, thanks for the reply.
Hi,
 
 I can't commit your patch you sent because it modifies many parts of the
 newCL and it seems you didn't understood at all how it works now...
 
 
 
 My patch doesn't modifies many parts. There are only events, and
 splainf/sitalf font is stored in a variable. This is all.
 That events are fundamental to parse a nickname or psm (the nickarray
 event,
 as you can see, isn't a good choice)
 You see many changes, because in _drawing psm_ there is a similar thing:
 
 if {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 1 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList  - $psm 1]
 instructions
 }
 if {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 2 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList \n$psm 1]
 istructions (the same instruction)
}
 
 and i changed it in a more clear code:
 set parsedpsm 
 if {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 1 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList  - $psm 1]
} elseif {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 2 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList \n$psm 1]
}
istructions...
 
 but this is not important for the plugin, so you can ignore.

Parsing a nickname each time you display it isn't really good at all !
That will raise at least 4 events for each nickname to display with your
current system... Not really efficient compared to the current system
where we raise 1 event for all nicknames and after one event for each
modified nickname... Don't forget that parsing is a so time consuming...
 
 I never said to use aMSNPlus I agree it should be in another plugin that
 handles all colored nicks but you MUST look at how it currently works in
 aMSNPlus as the newCL offers the way to modify colors...
 
 
 only colors at the moment and only with nickarray event, that is not really
 good.
Why isn't it good ? About fonts the current system can be easily
extended : wait for the end of the week end and you will see...
For PSMs it could be done in the same way that it is actually done for
nicknames...
 
 About fonts, yes I know you will say that we can't modify fonts and it's
 true, that shouldn't be done in a such way... Look at how colors work
 now... With your modification, the font will be the same for all the
 nickname... I don't think it's a clean way to do that. You must add a
 tag font like there are the tags text and color.
 
 
 Please try before my plugin and the judge
Huh ? I never judged your plugin... I only judged the patch you want us
to apply and I think that's the job of developers here...
 
 I hope you won't be take that too personally... I only want to keep a
 clean design for this newCL.
 
 
 I only need a variable for font and 4 events (2 for nicks and 2 for
 psms, if
 we want to parse also psms...). I don't think that can stain the newCL.
 As I said before. Try my plugin,
As I already said that would imply too much performances issues... You
may have a good computer with a tiny list... Don't forget that M$N
allows more than 300 contacts (I can't remember the limit)...
 
 I uploaded the diff (with only essential things) and here you can find the
 plugin:
 http://in.solit.us/archives/download/15885
 You can apply this change locally on your pc, try the plugin and then you
 can say me what do you think about the plugin or what must be changed and
 what i didn't understand...
The link you provided doesn't work...
 
 Phil
 PS If you have any question about how work nick coloring in aMSNPlus
 don't hesitate to ask...
 
 
 
 Sorry for my English.
 Thanks for all.
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Colorednicks plugin

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From amsnplus.tcl line 568:

if { $userLogin !=  } {
set loginList [list $userLogin]
} else {
set loginList [array names nickArray]
}
foreach login $loginList {
## Parsing here
}

These lines will make your plugin work for offline people...
We go back to the chat we had with NWM on IRC...
I call only once the event for the initial set of the nickname array to
save some performances because the event system is quite heavy : it
means post the event which will iterate through a list to call all
plugin which registered the event and thus for each contact... Currently
when setting the nickname array for the first time, I avoid to iterate
the plugins procedure list n-1 times and I avoid useless calls (don't
forget that calling a function means store context etc)
Anyway I agree with NWM that the resulting code in plugins is quite ugly
especially in aMSNPlus... :s
Phil
P.S. I know that the code is ugly in aMSNPlus but please look at this
procedure as it's like a reference code for how to deal with newCL
formatting system... (I never said it is a reference for parsing system :p)

NoWhereMan a écrit :
 - Original Message - 
 From: square87
 To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN
 Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] Colorednicks plugin
 
 
 Hello Phil.
 I didn't use NickArray because i said it is only work for connected 
 people,
 so i created a new event... but i saw that there is maybe a little wrong 
 thing.
 Check this diff. With this diff also offline contacts can be used by 
 NickArray event.
 Is this diff correct? With this diff if i use NickArray all contact are 
 parsed,
 without this only connected contact.
 You can also check with amsnplus.
 
 NickArray is called also when contacts sign in; in this case the array will 
 contain only one contact
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Colorednicks plugin

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Hi,
Oops ! :d
I really did the modifications in aMSNPlus plugin to handle these multi
colors... But I never committed it... ;)
Let me review my code and I will commit it ASAP...
Phil

square87 a écrit :
 These changes are necessary for the plugin.
 Anyway these changes are only events and instead to have directly
 splainf or
 sitalf as option of -font we'll have a variable (set familyfont  (that
 default is splainf for nick, and sitalf for psm)) so we can change the font
 style working on this variable.
 The plugin decodes also IRC style code.
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Colorednicks plugin

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Ouch :s
There is already a way to color nicks in the newCL you don't need to
redo the wheel ;)
Anyway you should look at aMSNPlus that handles the new colouring thing...
The only thing that miss is the Live! color system... If you want to do
it...
Phil

square87 a écrit :
 Hello.
 I written a plugin that it colors nicknames and psms like msn live plus do.
 It works only for contact list. Nick background doesn't work, because with
 canvas is more hard to draw a background (i should create a rectangle under
 the nick, but a background color can be faded). If i'll found a simple way
 i'll do.
 
 the diffi file:
 @@ -1175,6 +1175,12 @@
 this is an event to work on parsednick
 
 @@ -1193,9 +1199,9 @@ and @@ -1205,10 +1211,10 @@
 here i have change splainf with a var in this way we can see bold, italic,
 underline and overstrike style
 
 @@ -1261,6 +1267,11 @@
 this is an event to _decipher_ the nick style
 
 @@ -1324,180 +1335,110 @@
 Here I have write two event to work with psm and i have erased some
 instructions that was repetitive. I try to explain, we have:
 
 if {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 1 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList  - $psm 1]
 instructions
 }
 if {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 2 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList \n$psm 1]
 istructions (the same instruction)
}
 
 now we'll have:
 set parsedpsm 
 if {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 1 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList  - $psm 1]
} elseif {[::config::getKey psmplace] == 2 } {
 set parsedpsm [::smiley::parseMessageToList \n$psm 1]
}
istructions...
 
 we will see colored nick in contact list if someday somebody apply the
 differences. In this case I'll post the plugin on forum.
 What do you think about?
 Square87
 
 
 
 
 Index: guicontactlist.tcl
 ===
 --- guicontactlist.tcl(revision 8233)
 +++ guicontactlist.tcl(working copy)
 @@ -1175,6 +1175,12 @@
   set relxnickpos $xnickpos
   set relynickpos $ypos
  
 + #this event could be used by colorednicks plugin
 + set evPar(email) email
 + set evPar(parsednick) parsednick
 + ::plugins::PostEvent parsed_nick evPar
 + set familyfont splainf
 +
   foreach unit $parsednick {
   if {[lindex $unit 0] == text} {
   # Check if we are still allowed to write text,\
 @@ -1193,9 +1199,9 @@
  
   # Check if text is not too long and should be 
 truncated, then
   # first truncate it and restore it in $textpart 
 and set the linefull
 - if {[expr {$relxnickpos + [font measure splainf 
 $textpart]}]  $maxwidth} {
 + if {[expr {$relxnickpos + [font measure 
 $familyfont $textpart]}]  $maxwidth} {
   set textpart 
 [::guiContactList::truncateText $textpart \
 - [expr {$maxwidth - 
 $relxnickpos}] splainf]
 + [expr {$maxwidth - 
 $relxnickpos}] $familyfont]
  
   #If we don't truncate we don't put 
 ellipsis
   #!$maxwidth already left space for the 
 ellipsis
 @@ -1205,10 +1211,10 @@
   set linefull 1
   }
  
 - # Draw the text
 + # draw the text
   $canvas create text $relxnickpos $ynickpos 
 -text $textpart -anchor w -fill \
 - $relnickcolour -font splainf -tags 
 [list contact $tag nicktext $main_part]
 - set textwidth [font measure splainf $textpart]
 + $relnickcolour -font $familyfont -tags 
 [list contact $tag nicktext $main_part]
 + set textwidth [font measure $familyfont 
 $textpart]
  
   # Append underline coords
   set yunderline [expr {$ynickpos + $textheight + 
 1}]
 @@ -1261,6 +1267,11 @@
   set relnickcolour $nickcolour
   }
   } else {
 + set evPar(unit) unit
 + set evPar(relnickcolour) relnickcolour
 + set evPar(familyfont) familyfont
 + ::plugins::PostEvent parsed_unit evPar
 +
   status_log Unknown item in 

Re: [Amsn-devel] stats and next release

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 06:33:27PM +0100, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:
 Hi,
 this mail is about the OIM system and stats...
 First, OIMs. We all agree that TclSOAP isn't good at all currently...
 But using http isn't as easy as Youness said because in fact we won't
 use it... (Yeah that's bad I know) Because Http extension can't use
 SOCKS proxies... So we will need to implement several things based on
 the authentication way...
 
 Ok, those who were going crazy of what phil said, calm down, we found a 
 solution to socks +http, and we'll use 
 it ,so http package will still be used ;)
 
 Second, about the stats... Youness decided to publish them here... Great
 but the main aim wasn't to keep it secret... I just missed of time to
 implement it in the new website and in addition, the stats weren't valid
 in the first days... Now, they seem to be stable...
 nah, never meant to be secret, it was just placed somewhere where you need a 
 username/password. which is why I 
 published, until we put it public...
 
 Anyway one trouble remains, the sorting of all these skins/plugins...
 How can we achieve an efficient sorting. I mean that if we sort plugins
 by downloads it will make these more downloaded and good unknown skins
 will never be at the top...
 hehe, exactly what I was thinking too :p 
 
 If someone has an idea...
 don't know.. maybe keep sorted by name, but add a 'view top 5' or 'view top 
 10' link..
Didn't you notice that the TOP5 skins is composed with skins beginning
by a ? ;)
 
 Phil

 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Hello all,
 first I'll talk about the next release (0.97) then I'll give you some stats 
 that we get from our website, thanks 
 to lePhilousophe! 
 so.. what about the next release ? huh ?  well, it's taking too much time.. 
 at the speed we're at, it will take 
 a really long time before we get it out, although we're almost there.. 
 the original deadline was april 1st, 
 then I made it march 1st seeing how fast development was, then it stalled.. 
 so I hope we still get amsn out for 
 april 1st, ok ? so what's left for us ?
 well, here's the latest TODO list for the next release :
 New Complete 0.97 TODO :
 - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) (billiob/lephilousophe)
  (make it work behind proxies)[1;5F
 - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)
 - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)
  (make it work behind proxies)
 - Finish the new Skin
 - Add option to order contacts by status or not in the CL
 - Complete the new login_screen feature (task # 136722) (bluetit)


 I want to talk about each one of them one by one.. first :
 - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) (billiob/lephilousophe)
  (make it work behind proxies)
 So far, the OIM support seems to be COMPLETE, although the use of tclsoap 
 makes it very very slow, so I wonder 
 if we should replace tclsoap with using the http command directly, because 
 we use NOTHING from tclsoap, lol, we 
 generate the whole xml ourself, and we parse the whole response ourself, 
 so.. it's useless apart from adding an 
 incredibly huge overhead AND preventing us from adding proxy support..
 so yes, the second point is that even if it's complete, we still don't have 
 support for proxies because it seems 
 almost impossible to do with tclsoap.. 
 so the question is :
 1 - we keep it as is, screw the proxy people, and screw those who think 
 that the pc freezing for a few minutes 
 is a big deal
 2 - rewrtie it, replacing 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ? 

 - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)
 This seems to be finished and working pretty well! congrats on billiob! now 
 the thing is that we'll have to 
 integrate it with the prefs window, right now, it's in the chat 
 window-edit-edit a/v settings, but the old 
 webcam wizard is stil lin the prefs-other-configure webcam.
 we couldn't replace it because that configure webcam still ha sinfo about 
 whether you're firewalled or not, 
 etc.. so we could either  :
 1 - replace the 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and leave the 
 firewall thing elsewhere
 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard (through the 
 button 'change webcam settings') by 
 the assistant
 2 - add a new step for network capabilities in the assistant and replace 
 the whole configure webcam button.


 - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)
  (make it work behind proxies)
 well well.. this seems to be completely stalled.. so .. what do we want to 
 do now  :
 1- drop the feature
 2 - complete it 
 3- leave it half-way done 
 4 - make it 'usable' but not 'wow it's great' 


 - Finish the new Skin
 humm.. it looks good so far ? I suppose Gus has kept all the comments in 
 his own TODO list, so I don't know how 
 far we're away from completing the new skin.. for now, let's try and make 
 it 'look nice', I like it very much 
 the way

Re: [Amsn-devel] stats and next release

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 06:33:27PM +0100, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:
 Hi,
 this mail is about the OIM system and stats...
 First, OIMs. We all agree that TclSOAP isn't good at all currently...
 But using http isn't as easy as Youness said because in fact we won't
 use it... (Yeah that's bad I know) Because Http extension can't use
 SOCKS proxies... So we will need to implement several things based on
 the authentication way...
 
 Ok, those who were going crazy of what phil said, calm down, we found a 
 solution to socks +http, and we'll use 
 it ,so http package will still be used ;)
 
 Second, about the stats... Youness decided to publish them here... Great
 but the main aim wasn't to keep it secret... I just missed of time to
 implement it in the new website and in addition, the stats weren't valid
 in the first days... Now, they seem to be stable...
 nah, never meant to be secret, it was just placed somewhere where you need a 
 username/password. which is why I 
 published, until we put it public...
 
 Anyway one trouble remains, the sorting of all these skins/plugins...
 How can we achieve an efficient sorting. I mean that if we sort plugins
 by downloads it will make these more downloaded and good unknown skins
 will never be at the top...
 hehe, exactly what I was thinking too :p 
 
 If someone has an idea...
 don't know.. maybe keep sorted by name, but add a 'view top 5' or 'view top 
 10' link..
Didn't you notice that the TOP5 skins is composed with skins beginning
by a ? ;)
 
 Phil

 Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Hello all,
 first I'll talk about the next release (0.97) then I'll give you some stats 
 that we get from our website, thanks 
 to lePhilousophe! 
 so.. what about the next release ? huh ?  well, it's taking too much time.. 
 at the speed we're at, it will take 
 a really long time before we get it out, although we're almost there.. 
 the original deadline was april 1st, 
 then I made it march 1st seeing how fast development was, then it stalled.. 
 so I hope we still get amsn out for 
 april 1st, ok ? so what's left for us ?
 well, here's the latest TODO list for the next release :
 New Complete 0.97 TODO :
 - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) (billiob/lephilousophe)
  (make it work behind proxies)[1;5F
 - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)
 - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)
  (make it work behind proxies)
 - Finish the new Skin
 - Add option to order contacts by status or not in the CL
 - Complete the new login_screen feature (task # 136722) (bluetit)


 I want to talk about each one of them one by one.. first :
 - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) (billiob/lephilousophe)
  (make it work behind proxies)
 So far, the OIM support seems to be COMPLETE, although the use of tclsoap 
 makes it very very slow, so I wonder 
 if we should replace tclsoap with using the http command directly, because 
 we use NOTHING from tclsoap, lol, we 
 generate the whole xml ourself, and we parse the whole response ourself, 
 so.. it's useless apart from adding an 
 incredibly huge overhead AND preventing us from adding proxy support..
 so yes, the second point is that even if it's complete, we still don't have 
 support for proxies because it seems 
 almost impossible to do with tclsoap.. 
 so the question is :
 1 - we keep it as is, screw the proxy people, and screw those who think 
 that the pc freezing for a few minutes 
 is a big deal
 2 - rewrtie it, replacing 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ? 

 - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)
 This seems to be finished and working pretty well! congrats on billiob! now 
 the thing is that we'll have to 
 integrate it with the prefs window, right now, it's in the chat 
 window-edit-edit a/v settings, but the old 
 webcam wizard is stil lin the prefs-other-configure webcam.
 we couldn't replace it because that configure webcam still ha sinfo about 
 whether you're firewalled or not, 
 etc.. so we could either  :
 1 - replace the 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and leave the 
 firewall thing elsewhere
 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard (through the 
 button 'change webcam settings') by 
 the assistant
 2 - add a new step for network capabilities in the assistant and replace 
 the whole configure webcam button.


 - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)
  (make it work behind proxies)
 well well.. this seems to be completely stalled.. so .. what do we want to 
 do now  :
 1- drop the feature
 2 - complete it 
 3- leave it half-way done 
 4 - make it 'usable' but not 'wow it's great' 


 - Finish the new Skin
 humm.. it looks good so far ? I suppose Gus has kept all the comments in 
 his own TODO list, so I don't know how 
 far we're away from completing the new skin.. for now, let's try and make 
 it 'look nice', I like it very much 
 the way

Re: [Amsn-devel] New profiles aren't saved

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
It's only to say that when I will have time I will implement on the
newCL a way to have a tiled background with a standard background over
it... So as soon as I implement that I could do it for new login screen
too...
Phil

[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
 On 11/03/07, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello, I can't reproduce.. from what I noticed, the CloseSB and ClearSB
 and whatever are called when the user is
 inactive (when testing amsn2, I saw those outputs whenever a failed CHG
 AWY was on the protocol log), maybe the
 idle event handler has a defect ?
 btw, I just added the feature of creating new profiles when the
 'remember
 me' field is enabled.. now we should
 enable users to delete a profile from that window (instead of prefs
 window..) WLM has a 'forget me' button under
 the remember me one and clicking on it says 'are you sure, you can
 add it
 later, blablabla', but if a user
 disabled the 'remember me' and signed in without clicking forget me,
 he'll
 still loose his profile, but without
 any warning.. we should do it better... maybe for profiled logins, keep
 the remember me disabled, but add a
 clickable link next to it with (forget me), so the user is forced to
 click
 on it and read the warning before he
 deletes his profile. warning should say that you'll loose all your
 settings, chat logs, webcam logs, etc.. and
 they cannot be recovered or something like that...


 yeah, the remember me checkbox is disabled already for profiled
 logins. I'll
 add the forget me button. Thanks for the adding of creating profiles!

 The login screen also needs skinnable options, we also talked about
 having
 an alternate BG for the login screen
 if the skinner wants to put an alt-bg.. and the bg should stick up-left,
 not down-right. anyways, skinners
 (Lee?) would probably be the best people to ask for what improvments are
 required in that field.


 I think we should have a bg image like a gradient or something that fills
 the window (like WLM), and a logo to overlay on it, like the buddies or
 something.

 Apart from that, I like it, apart the fact that it needs a quite big
 window
 for it to work, I mean, resize your
 amsn to a small window, then you won't be able to see anything...
 and that's annoying especially since the 'default CL size on
 installation'
 or for a new profile is already too
 small to contain all the widgets...
 oh.. I just tried to see wLM's behavior on this, when you resize, if the
 window gets too small, the DP
 disappears to leave more space, then the 'forgot password/service
 status/sign up' links disappear and are
 replaced by a small 'more' clickable link which simply resizes the CL
 to a
 size where all the elements
 (including DP) are shown...
 then if it gets too small again, the remember me/remember password,
 etc..
 checkboxes disappear, and finally, the
 'sign in' button will disappear if you resize to a very small size...
 that's for a vertical resize.. on a horizontal resize, the combobox and
 password fields are resized to
 completely fit inside the CL's width.
 this should be an important improvement to have...


 yeah okay,  i'll take a look :)

 KaKaRoTo

 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 06:51:51AM +,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  This seems important, can anyone else reproduce it...?
 
  Tom
 
  On 09/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
  This is annoying now, it used to work :P But now I can't log in with
 any
  login except mine (which is profiled) Nothing happens when I click
 Log
 In
  and I get this in the status log:
  
  [11:55:14] ::MSN::CloseSB ns Called
  [11:55:14] ::MSN::ClearSB ns called
  [11:55:14] clearing sb ns. oldstat=d
  [11:55:14] Loging out
  
  and that just repeats over and over. If I switch the combobox to my
  profiled login, it logs in fine..
  
  Any ideas?
  
  Tom
  
  On 09/03/07, Sebastian Alfredo Salvino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I have just updated to svn revision 8180 and profiles could not be
 saved
   anymore by checking the Remember my account checkbox.
  
   I wasn't able to found anything posted regarding this topic so I'd
 like
   to
   know if anyone could look into this behavior.
  
   Any suggestions?
  
   Sebastian


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Re: [Amsn-devel] CL background

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
just to say that several people think the current background is too visible...
Many of them only make it whiter...
Phil

Le Wednesday 28 February 2007 17:28:52 Karel Demeyer, vous avez écrit :
 Hi,

 First: I'm not active at all now because I'm going through a training
 period at our national television channel's news redaction.
 Now what I'm mailing for: Gus, what aer your plans for the CL
 background ?  Right now the image is less a background then it
 should be.  It makes the text layered on it less readible and it's too
 recognisable.  I personlayy would prefer something different then an
 object.  It should be some tiles or a gradient or something, as it
 shouldn't distract the user too much.  It is not becuase we are able
 to load real images on the background that we *should* do this :).
 Also, if it's a gradient or a repeating tile, it shouldn't be very
 visible ...  I mean low contrast and bright enough.. the user
 shouldn't even recognise it as a gradient .. .it could be something to
 generate a feeling of mor depth.
 Overall, I think we should use the possibility of a bg-image to make
 aMSN more usable, not less.  Maybe it's better to have just one color
 in the background ... It will depend.  or a background could be used
 to draw columns where the contacts are in etc..  You see what I mean
 ?

 friendly greetings,

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Re: [Amsn-devel] CL background

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heee,
I already implemented the tile thing
Phil

Le Wednesday 28 February 2007 17:36:59 Youness Alaoui, vous avez écrit :
 hello,
 afaik, that's all known, Gus has very limited time and he's trying to fix
 the skin as much as he can. We know about the bg issue and we were plannig
 on adding a skin key for 'tile bg' so he could put just a small image that
 would be tiled on all the CL. we know of those issues and they will be
 fixed, don't forget the skin is for now a copy of emerald and it's being
 changed slowly until it is good enough, using the small time period of free
 time Gus has.

 KKRT

 On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:28:52PM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote:
  Hi,
 
  First: I'm not active at all now because I'm going through a training
  period at our national television channel's news redaction.
  Now what I'm mailing for: Gus, what aer your plans for the CL
  background ?  Right now the image is less a background then it
  should be.  It makes the text layered on it less readible and it's too
  recognisable.  I personlayy would prefer something different then an
  object.  It should be some tiles or a gradient or something, as it
  shouldn't distract the user too much.  It is not becuase we are able
  to load real images on the background that we *should* do this :).
  Also, if it's a gradient or a repeating tile, it shouldn't be very
  visible ...  I mean low contrast and bright enough.. the user
  shouldn't even recognise it as a gradient .. .it could be something to
  generate a feeling of mor depth.
  Overall, I think we should use the possibility of a bg-image to make
  aMSN more usable, not less.  Maybe it's better to have just one color
  in the background ... It will depend.  or a background could be used
  to draw columns where the contacts are in etc..  You see what I mean
  ?
 
  friendly greetings,
 
  Karel.
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] nice menus ?

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
tk menus from Coccinella and pixmapmenus aren't related at all
Tk menus don't have any pixmap background the selection isn't pixmapized 
too...
It could be great to improve simple menus but if we can provide pixmapmenus 
too that would be greater ;)
I think a simple setting in the appearance tab is necessary and that's all !
Phil

Le Thursday 22 February 2007 03:06:20 Youness Alaoui, vous avez écrit :
 -compound value
 Specifies whether the menu entry should display both an image and text, and
 if so, where the image should be placed relative to the text. Valid values
 for this option are bottom, center, left, none, right and top. The default
 value is none, meaning that the button will display either an image or
 text, depending on the values of the -image and -bitmap options.

 so we need to do a -compound left and it will work :)


 KKRT

 On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:59:14PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
  it seems the options -label and -image at the same time... but it's weird
  because the man pages say that they cannot be used both at the same
  time... anyways... I couldn't find anything that sets the background
  color of the menu apart from :
   proc tileutils::ThemeChanged {} {
 
  array set style [style configure .]
  array set map   [style map .]
  if {[info exists style(-background)]} {
  set color $style(-background)
  
  option add *Menu.background   $color $priority
  
  }
  }
 
 
  and here's the code that creates the taskbar menu (in
  components/taskbar/Taskbar.tcl) : # Build popup menu.
  set m $wmenu
  menu $m -tearoff 1 -postcommand [list [namespace current]::Post $m] \
-tearoffcommand [namespace current]::TearOff -title
  $prefs(theAppName)
 
  set subPath [file join $this(images) 16]
  set COCI [::Theme::GetImage coccinella $subPath]
  set INFO [::Theme::GetImage info $subPath]
  set SET  [::Theme::GetImage settings $subPath]
  set MSG  [::Theme::GetImage newmsg $subPath]
  set ADD  [::Theme::GetImage adduser $subPath]
  set EXIT [::Theme::GetImage exit $subPath]
  set STAT [::Roster::GetMyPresenceIcon]
 
  set menuDef {
  {cascade  mStatus   @::Status::BuildMainMenu  {-image @STAT
  -compound left}} {command  mHideMain ::Taskbar::HideMain 
  } {command  mSendMessage  ::NewMsg::Build {-image
  @MSG -compound left}} {command  mPreferences...   ::Preferences::Build   
  {-image @SET -compound left}} {command  mAddNewUser   ::JUser::NewDlg
   {-image @ADD -compound left}} {cascade  mInfo  {
  {command  mAboutCoccinella  ::Splash::SplashScreen  {-image @COCI
  -compound left}} {command  mCoccinellaHome   ::JUI::OpenCoccinellaURL}
  {command  mBugReport::JUI::OpenBugURL   }
  } {-image @INFO -compound left}
  }
  {separator}
  {command  mQuit ::UserActions::DoQuit  {-image @EXIT
  -compound left}} }
  set menuDef [string map [list  \
@STAT $STAT  @COCI $COCI  @ADD $ADD  @INFO $INFO  @SET $SET  \
@MSG  $MSG   @EXIT $EXIT] $menuDef]
 
  ::AMenu::Build $m $menuDef
 
  array set menuIndex [::AMenu::GetMenuIndexArray $m]
 
 
 
  as you can see it uses ::AMenu which is a high level utility for handling
  menus... here's its code :
 
 
  #  AMenu.tcl ---
  #
  #  This file is part of The Coccinella application.
  #  It implements some menu support functions.
  #
  #  @@@ This is supposed to replace much of the other menu code.
  #
  #  Copyright (c) 2006  Mats Bengtsson
  #
  # $Id: AMenu.tcl,v 1.6 2006/03/14 07:18:59 matben Exp $
 
  package provide AMenu 1.0
 
  namespace eval ::AMenu {
 
  }
 
  # AMenu::Build --
  #
  #   High level utility for handling menus.
  #   We use the 'name' for the menu entry index which is the
  untranslated #   key, typically mLabel etc.
  #
  # Arguments:
  #   m menu widget path; must exist
  #   menuDef   a list of lines:
  #   {type name command ?{-key value..}?}
  # name: always the key that is used for msgcat::mc
  #   args-varlist   list of {name value ...} which sets variables
  used #  for substitutions in command and options
  #
  # Results:
  #   menu widget path
 
  proc ::AMenu::Build {m menuDef args} {
  variable menuIndex
 
  array set aArr {-varlist {}}
  array set aArr $args
  foreach {key value} $aArr(-varlist) {
  set $key $value
  }
  set isub 0
 
  bind $m Destroy {+::AMenu::Free %W }
 
  foreach line $menuDef {
  lassign $line op name cmd opts
 
  if {[tk windowingsystem] eq aqua} {
  set idx [lsearch $opts -image]
  if {$idx = 0} {
  set opts [lreplace $opts $idx [expr {$idx+1}]]
  }
  }
  set lname [mc $name]
  set opts [eval list $opts]
 
  # Parse any  in name to -underline.
  set 

Re: [Amsn-devel] nice menus ?

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

The aim of pixmapmenus is to extend Tcl/Tk menus and not change their 
behaviour...
Phil

Le Thursday 22 February 2007 12:55:30 NoWhereMan, vous avez écrit :
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   To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN
   Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] nice menus ?


   I think it should be easy to change the reverse cursor thing on tk menus
 anyway... either add an Enter binding or add a -cursor option, im not
 sure which...

   I see that now neither pixmap menus follow anymore the mouse, though...




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Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
as you can see it closes the SB ONLY if the contact wrote in it...
So I don't see any trouble using this packet type...
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 07:38:16 square87, vous avez écrit :
 @Phil:
 In protocol.tcl if you search x-keepalive, you'll see that we discard this
 _signal_ and we close the SB. For this reason i have't used x-keepalive

 @KKR
 [quoteon]
 btw, maybe you don't receive the BYE because the keepalive plugin prevents
 it from closing due to inactivity :p
 [quoteoff]

 :P

 But if msn user (no WLM 8.1) closes the chatwindow and the connection is
 still alive it should anyway send the BYE signal... In kopete this work
 fine, why not in amsn? :-S

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Re: [Amsn-devel] nice menus ?

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
By the way, I was wondering if you tried to look at Tk code for your pixmap 
menus because all their code for bindings is Tcl...
Look at /usr/share/tk8.4/menu.tcl
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:56:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED], vous avez 
écrit :
 Wow, that's great! I took a quick look at the code but couldn't find what
 options they used to do that...

 On 21/02/07, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
  I just saw Coccinella's menus.. wow! it's nice :) and I looked through
  the code to see if it was GTK+ or
  whatever... but hey! no, it's 100% TCL menus! but they look so much
  nicer...
  Take a look yourself :
  http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/coccinella.jpg
  of course, with low jpg quality... maybe you should try it instead!
  so.. who's willing to make them nice for amsn too? :D
  btw, Gus.. would you be available for drawing us pixmaps for the menus ?
  thx
 
  KKRT
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] nice menus ?

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
after one afternoon of hard hacking I managed to make Tk code work with our 
menus !!
The only thing is we must have submenus as children of their parent menus but 
it should have been like that since a long time as we used a non documented 
feature of Tk...
Anyway, I think that now pixmap menus are totally usable...
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 12:03:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED], vous avez 
écrit :
 Yes, I tried just using those bindings,. but for whatever reason (I can't
 remember now) it didn't work, or not properly :(

 On 21/02/07, Philippe Valembois - Phil
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  Hi,
  By the way, I was wondering if you tried to look at Tk code for your
  pixmap
  menus because all their code for bindings is Tcl...
  Look at /usr/share/tk8.4/menu.tcl
  Phil
 
  Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:56:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED], vous
  avez
 
  écrit:
   Wow, that's great! I took a quick look at the code but couldn't find
 
  what
 
   options they used to do that...
  
   On 21/02/07, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I just saw Coccinella's menus.. wow! it's nice :) and I looked
through the code to see if it was GTK+ or
whatever... but hey! no, it's 100% TCL menus! but they look so much
nicer...
Take a look yourself :
http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/coccinella.jpg
of course, with low jpg quality... maybe you should try it instead!
so.. who's willing to make them nice for amsn too? :D
btw, Gus.. would you be available for drawing us pixmaps for the
menus
 
  ?
 
thx
   
KKRT
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [8033] trunk/amsn/gui.tcl

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Which error ?
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 21:51:45 Lazzarin Luca, vous avez écrit :
 Hi, about this commit...

 amsn gives an error at login time.

 Luca

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Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [8033] trunk/amsn/gui.tcl

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Please make sure you updated everything...
This bug can't come from 8033 but from 8030
Make sure all the directory is updated and especially groups.tcl
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:02:32 Lazzarin Luca, vous avez écrit :
 Alle 21:53, mercoledì 21 febbraio 2007, Tom Hennigan ha scritto:
  I think just let us know the error your getting. This is about
  current development that's going on I guess...

 Here's the error:

 invalid command name .main_menu.contacts.group_list_delete
 while executing
 $path delete 0 end
 (procedure ::groups::updateMenu line 3)
 invoked from within
 ::groups::updateMenu
 menu .main_menu.contacts.group_list_delete ::groups::menuCmdDelete
 (procedure loggedInGuiConf line 46)
 invoked from within
 loggedInGuiConf loggedIn
 (eval body line 1)
 invoked from within
 eval $listener [linsert $args 0 $eventName]
 (procedure ::Event::fireEvent line 8)
 invoked from within
 ::Event::fireEvent loggedIn protocol
 (us arm line 53)
 invoked from within
 switch [ns cget -stat] {
   a {
   #Send three first commands at same time, to it faster
   if { [::config::getKey protocol] == 11 } {

   ::MSN::Write...

 (procedure cmsn_auth line 6)
 invoked from within
 cmsn_auth $item
 (USR arm line 2)
 invoked from within
 switch [lindex $item 0] {
   MSG {
   cmsn_ns_msg $item $message
   $message destroy
   return 0
   }
   IPG {

   ::MSNMobile::MessageRecei...

 (procedure cmsn_ns_handler line 17)
 invoked from within
 cmsn_ns_handler $command $message
 (default arm line 2)
 invoked from within
 switch [lindex $command 0] {
   ILN {
   if {$::msnp13} {
   $self handleILN $command
   } else {
   cmsn_ns_handler $command 
 $message
   ...
 (procedure ::NS::Snit_methodhandleCommand line 27)
 invoked from within
 ::NS::Snit_methodhandleCommand ::NS ::NS::Snit_inst1 ::ns ::ns {USR 17 OK
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 0}
 (uplevel body line 1)
 invoked from within
 uplevel 1 $command $args
 invoked from within
 $options(-name) handleCommand $command
 (procedure ::Connection::Snit_methodreceivedData line 44)
 invoked from within
 ::Connection::Snit_methodreceivedData ::Connection
 ::Connection::Snit_inst2 ::NS::Connection1 ::NS::Connection1 (uplevel
 body line 1)
 invoked from within
 uplevel 1 $command $args
 invoked from within
 ::NS::Connection1 receivedData
 (uplevel body line 1)
 invoked from within
 uplevel 1 $command $args
 invoked from within
 ns receivedData

 ---
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Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [8033] trunk/amsn/gui.tcl

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

You can only if nobody knows it and only if it's a really recent bug !
So before all go to the f***g forums :@
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:00:46 Bruno Costa, vous avez écrit :
 If I have a bug on amsn-svn I can post it to the dev mailling list?!
 Hmmm!

 On 2/21/07, Lazzarin Luca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Alle 21:53, mercoledì 21 febbraio 2007, Tom Hennigan ha scritto:
   I think just let us know the error your getting. This is about
   current development that's going on I guess...
 
  Here's the error:
 
  invalid command name .main_menu.contacts.group_list_delete
  while executing
  $path delete 0 end
  (procedure ::groups::updateMenu line 3)
  invoked from within
  ::groups::updateMenu
  menu .main_menu.contacts.group_list_delete ::groups::menuCmdDelete
  (procedure loggedInGuiConf line 46)
  invoked from within
  loggedInGuiConf loggedIn
  (eval body line 1)
  invoked from within
  eval $listener [linsert $args 0 $eventName]
  (procedure ::Event::fireEvent line 8)
  invoked from within
  ::Event::fireEvent loggedIn protocol
  (us arm line 53)
  invoked from within
  switch [ns cget -stat] {
  a {
  #Send three first commands at same time, to it
  faster
  if { [::config::getKey protocol] == 11 } {
 
  ::MSN::Write...
 
  (procedure cmsn_auth line 6)
  invoked from within
  cmsn_auth $item
  (USR arm line 2)
  invoked from within
  switch [lindex $item 0] {
  MSG {
  cmsn_ns_msg $item $message
  $message destroy
  return 0
  }
  IPG {
 
  ::MSNMobile::MessageRecei...
 
  (procedure cmsn_ns_handler line 17)
  invoked from within
  cmsn_ns_handler $command $message
  (default arm line 2)
  invoked from within
  switch [lindex $command 0] {
  ILN {
  if {$::msnp13} {
  $self handleILN $command
  } else {
  cmsn_ns_handler $command
  $message
  ...
  (procedure ::NS::Snit_methodhandleCommand line 27)
  invoked from within
  ::NS::Snit_methodhandleCommand ::NS ::NS::Snit_inst1 ::ns ::ns {USR 17
  OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 0}
  (uplevel body line 1)
  invoked from within
  uplevel 1 $command $args
  invoked from within
  $options(-name) handleCommand $command
  (procedure ::Connection::Snit_methodreceivedData line 44)
  invoked from within
  ::Connection::Snit_methodreceivedData ::Connection
 
  ::Connection::Snit_inst2 ::NS::Connection1 ::NS::Connection1
 
  (uplevel body line 1)
  invoked from within
  uplevel 1 $command $args
  invoked from within
  ::NS::Connection1 receivedData
  (uplevel body line 1)
  invoked from within
  uplevel 1 $command $args
  invoked from within
  ns receivedData
 
  ---
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Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
good plugin...
Maybe it could be great to use a x-keepalive packet in place of 
x-keepaliveamsn as Kopete sends x-keepalive... That could become like a 
standard ;)
Phil

Le Tuesday 20 February 2007 09:59:57 square87, vous avez écrit :
 Oh my Josh!
 it's not work for me, lol :S

 You have to try with a not amsn user and the msn user have to left the chat
 after one minute of inactivity... :S
 Remember if a user write a message but it doesn't send it. This is an
 activity for the server :S

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Fwd: [Amsn-lang] website

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
as you can see cron jobs work because this new key is marked as missing ;)
The lang files are updated every night at midnight CET
So in less than half an hour the page should be updated...
Phil

Le Tuesday 20 February 2007 23:28:31 Álvaro J. Iradier, vous avez écrit :
 Just to know, what happened with the cron scripts that updated the web
 page? Are they still running in the new hosting or what?

 Thanks.

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Feb 20, 2007 10:57 PM
 Subject: [Amsn-lang] website
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 http://www.amsn-project.net/view_lang.php?lang=langit.dat
 is stating that
 lconvstartedOIM Started an Offline Instant Messaging conversation on $1
 is missing in the italian tranlation, but it is not
 how and how often is that page updated?


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Re: [Amsn-devel] Fwd: [Amsn-lang] website

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hum it seems there was a bug...
That should be fixed now...
Phil

Le Tuesday 20 February 2007 23:35:57 Álvaro J. Iradier, vous avez écrit :
 Ok, but I uploaded the file without that missing key yesterday, more
 than 24h ago, and it's still missing... Maybe it failed yesterday?

 Greets

 On 2/20/07, Philippe Valembois - Phil

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
  as you can see cron jobs work because this new key is marked as missing
  ;) The lang files are updated every night at midnight CET
  So in less than half an hour the page should be updated...
  Phil
 
  Le Tuesday 20 February 2007 23:28:31 Álvaro J. Iradier, vous avez écrit:
   Just to know, what happened with the cron scripts that updated the web
   page? Are they still running in the new hosting or what?
  
   Thanks.
  
   -- Forwarded message --
   From: tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Feb 20, 2007 10:57 PM
   Subject: [Amsn-lang] website
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   http://www.amsn-project.net/view_lang.php?lang=langit.dat
   is stating that
   lconvstartedOIM Started an Offline Instant Messaging conversation on $1
   is missing in the italian tranlation, but it is not
   how and how often is that page updated?




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Re: [Amsn-devel] No option to disable showing my own Display Picture

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
first you should use forums
Now the reply because I am nice :
When you select no picture you don't send any picture to your contacts it's 
only a picture shown to make things beautiful...
Phil

Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 00:04:36 Sebastian Alfredo Salvino, vous avez 
écrit :
 Hello to all,

 I am using latest svn and there are no way to not use display picture at
 all, thus there is a pic which is named no picture but indeed IT is
 displayed as display picture itself.

 Does any of you any clue if this is going to be fixed?

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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

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Hi,
management of topbar colors is a little more complex than changing of image...
In fact, you only have one topbar that should be in neutral color : reference 
color should be #7f7f7f but that's only to make things easier...
Now you have this pixmap you can affect its color using these parameters
topbarbg#1b9bfe/topbarbg
topbarawaybg#46c51a/topbarawaybg
topbarbusybg#f30101/topbarbusybg
topbarofflinebg#bdbebd/topbarofflinebg
NB : these sample colors are taken from sheeny skin so colors won't fit with 
default skin
Phil

Le Monday 19 February 2007 00:26:45 tonighx, vous avez écrit :
 2007/2/19, tonighx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  if I haven't missed anything, I think anyone will agree with this little
  patch
 
  it was easy to chage the CL colors,
  but for the topbar in the chat window the same colors doesn't fit to
  the blue top bar
  I couldn't figure oute how to change that

 there should be different cwtopback.png for the different statuses
 to allow to change the text color. what should the names be?

 the color of the (status) and Spaces info text don't seem to depend on the
 skin. gray text is not readable if it happens to be on the backgrund
 picture

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Re: [Amsn-devel] snap preview anywhere to our website ?

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That shouldn't use any external service and should be implemented in our 
website... Feel free to implement it ;)
Phil

Le Monday 19 February 2007 09:38:49 Sander Hoentjen, vous avez écrit :
 On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 01:37 -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
  Hello...
  a question.. I don't know if some of you know of this service, but Snap
  Preview Anywhere is a service that allows for a little popup with a
  preview to other websites whenever you hover on a link.. do you think it
  would be worth it to add that to our website ? if no, only to the forums
  ?
 
  here's a preview of it working :
  http://wordpress.com/blog/2007/01/13/snap-live/ the website is just a
  random blog I took which had the feature, just hover over the nicknames
  of the posters... here's the FAQ of SPA :
  http://www.snap.com/about/spa_faq.php
  here's a blog about why not to use it :
  http://performancing.com/node/5721 (first one found, maybe others more
  interesting reasons can be found)
 
  any comments ?
 
  KKRT

 In general I wouldn't really like it. For the skins section i would like
 it very much. Hover on the skin name to get a preview.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Forums offline

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Everything works perfectly here :
I did some modifications but that's fixed now
Maybe you are behind a cache ?
Phil

Le Monday 19 February 2007 15:37:50 Bruno Costa, vous avez écrit :
 There is any reason for it?
 I'm getting an 404 error since 3 hours ago!

 If it was expected feel free to ignore this email :)




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Re: [Amsn-devel] sluggish

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Hey,
it's not the right place !
several developers already said it... Use forums for that... You don't speak 
about development...
Now go on forums and don't send mail anymore here...
Phil

Le Sunday 18 February 2007 15:04:10 André Lemos, vous avez écrit :
 I'd say this is the right place. We need to debug it first, before
 solving the problem.

 Henrique Cesar Ulbrich wrote:
  Historiadores acreditam que,
 
  em Sáb 17 Fev 2007, Vivia Nikolaidou disse:
  Second, I have a contact list with about 100 people and never noticed
  this problem, tcl/tk 8.5 as well. When I am just chatting, it's really
  fast. It is a big sluggish when I am having webcam sessions, but nothing
  much, it's perfectly usable. Honestly.
 
  I AM having the same problem.
  Tck/Tk 8.4, Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy.
 
  I know this is not the right place, but I wanted to confirm the problem
  exists. The chat windows sometimes stops responding for a few seconds and
  then, all of a sudden, all that I was typing appears sans the accents. In
  fact, the chat window hangs when some careted/accented letter is input.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Please use other langkeys for CL

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Hi,
fixed in r7984
Phil

Le Sunday 18 February 2007 16:30:12 Linus Östberg, vous avez écrit :
 Hi,

 I noticed that the CL is using the langkey online and offline  now.
 This gives me trouble translating, since the same langkeys are used to say
 whether the user is online/offline, giving me grammatical errors when
 translating.

 For offline, I would like to use utloggad for the user and utloggade
 for the CL, online having a similar difference.

 I think the keys uonline/uoffline were used when I did the original
 translation.

 Finally I hope this was the right ML, couldnt decide between this one and
 amsn-lang.

 Greets,
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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
about the smiley thing, I did read the list but it was more to show that I 
agreed with others : the So was here to show that... Too bad you 
misunderstood it / I can't express well ;)
About tiling, it's not done yet because because Karel thought about a 
setting to let users change their background... (Maybe he wanted to have his 
girl friend in background :d). Anyway, I think that the background should be 
skin related too... So I think I will implement it soon (tonight, tomorrow 
evening or this week end). And don't worry this will be a skin setting ;)
About spacing, I don't really know where is the trouble... I will look at it 
when doing the tiling thing...
Phil

Le Thursday 15 February 2007 02:05:05 Gustavo A. Díaz, vous avez écrit :
 Hi Phil...


 1- Is planned.
 2- Yes you are, and will be changed. I am about to compose those sounds.
 3- I said this before in one email repliying to KKRT, the smiles are NOT
 mine (Reaa pleaseee the ML!! once someone told me to do that :P)...
 and is planned to design a new hole set... maybe Lee could you help me with
 this? :)
 4- Yes... i know... just i think NewCL should be more customizable withs
 spaces or so... because is difficult to center things About this... it
 is possible to tile the BG of CL? (i mean... back.png). This will be better
 when users maximize their window (and many users does) to show the image
 tiled.

 Thanks.

 Cheers.

 2007/2/14, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi,
  I haven't much time...
  First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to
  the
  status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no
  need
  to read)...
  Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from
  M$N
  (correct me if I am wrong..)
  Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
  Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group
  where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
  Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
  Phil
 
  Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit:
   I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
   say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is
  
   Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be
   improved to fit the New Default one.
  
   tonighx escribió:
Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
it's too bold, winXP like
I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
and leave fancy things to the extra skins
   
2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
   
3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
too big and weird
   
5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
much more visible than just the icon
   
6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but
I couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
   
7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
like a popup list button, this could be confusing
   
sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
   
tongihx
   
2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hola.
   
1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel
 
  that
 
Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
implement
same as NewCL there.
3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with
a pic?
4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
Project
(that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
   
2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
 1 - thebackground should change :p
 2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice,
 
  it
 
looks like a tk frame :s
   
 3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big
 
  and
 
weird, why is it like that ?
   
 4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
   
stylistic
then got used to them...I wonder if we
   
 should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw
 
  'red
 
rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
   
 not really red and not really rose :p

 that's it for now!
 gtg

 KKRT

 On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
  You know what Gus?
  you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default
 
  skin
 
with it (before that copy the default skin
   
  as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old
 
  default..
 
before becoming the default skin

Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Done in r7979 :

Log Message:
---
Added tiling for CL background through contactlistbgtile
Added support for changecursor_contact changecursor_group underline_group 
(underline_contact was already implemented)
Now group text is centered vertically in the up pixmap
Now xpad for buddies is placed before the contact so the contact isn't stuck 
on the up pixmap
Added a 2 pixel space between buddies because it looks better IMO (don't 
hesitate to revert this change if you don't agree)

Phil


Le Thursday 15 February 2007 21:54:07 Gustavo A. Díaz, vous avez écrit :
 Okas, thanks for the Info.


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Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default skin (based on Emerald2.0)

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
I haven't much time...
First, as some already said, I think that coloring nicknames according to the 
status should be back as it is clearer to see the state of a contact (no need 
to read)...
Second, I think sounds should be changed because I think they come from M$N 
(correct me if I am wrong..)
Third, I think smileys are strange too... So ;)
Four, it seems there is a little bug with the first contact of each group 
where DP and smiley are over the group head background...
Apart that, I think this skin is really good ;)
Phil

Le Wednesday 14 February 2007 13:35:59 Gustavo A. Diaz, vous avez écrit :
 I accept critics, but i prefer suggestions for the new default... as i
 say the last email... this will be NOT as emerald2.0 is

 Now people... please make a list of what you think it should be improved
 to fit the New Default one.

 tonighx escribió:
  Sorry, but I don't like the new skin at all
  it's too bold, winXP like
  I have win in the classical 98 theme, and emerald really don't fit
  IMHO the default skin shoul be as simple as possible,
  and leave fancy things to the extra skins
 
  2 - the border around my DP is just stealing space for the DP itself
 
  3 - also for me the border+background color around the chat window is
  too big and weird
 
  5 - I liked the different nick colors for personal status, they were
  much more visible than just the icon
 
  6 - the invisibe winicon is identical to the online one. I tried
  to edit it to red (like it was in old times) or gray (like WLM), but I
  couldn't find a free icon editor supporting transparency
 
  7 - the close tab button doesn't look like a close tab button but
  like a popup list button, this could be confusing
 
  sorry for the avalanche of critics, but I REALLY don't like this
 
  tongihx
 
  2007/2/14, Gustavo A. Díaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hola.
 
  1- Of course, i am planning a nice one for Emerald2.0 too.. i feel that
  Emerald does not fit even for the skin.
  2- yeah... i just didnt managed to put another one till wait to
  implement
  same as NewCL there.
  3- I dont have that border you say :S. Maybe could you show me with a
  pic?
  4- Yeah KKRT, because those smile are not mine, but from OpenWengo
  Project
  (that are GNU/GPL). So.. with time i hope i could make a new set.
 
  2007/2/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   back agian.. tried emerald 2 and I think :
   1 - thebackground should change :p
   2 - the background color of the top section of the CL is not nice, it
 
  looks like a tk frame :s
 
   3 - the border+background color around the chat window is too big and
 
  weird, why is it like that ?
 
   4 - didn't like the smileys too much :s but I hated them with
 
  stylistic
  then got used to them...I wonder if we
 
   should keep them or change them or adapt them to look nicer ? btw 'red
 
  rose' looks like a yellow weird flower :p
 
   not really red and not really rose :p
  
   that's it for now!
   gtg
  
   KKRT
  
   On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:09:17PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
You know what Gus?
you could put the whole emerald pixmaps and replace the default skin
 
  with it (before that copy the default skin
 
as stylistic in the amsn-extras so we can keep the old default..
 
  before becoming the default skin it was named
 
Stylistic iirc) So.. you make emerald 2 as the new default,
 
  this way
  we can all test it and see what needs to
 
be changed.. kind of like the new CL, before people notice it and
 
  report
  bugs/comments on it, it needs to be
 
directly accessible when updating...  otherwise, I sense noone
 
  will try
  your skin :s
 
KKRT
   
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:44PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
 Hi everyone,

   Since we gonna use Emerald2.0 SVG sources for this New Look
 
  i must
 
  ask:
 which are the images or part of the skin that should be
 
  changed/improved to
 
 fit with a New Default skin?. I will need this to start
 
  designing and
  see if
 
 i could have it done for 0.97 release.

 Thanks.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] libtray for linux ?

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Hi,
if it works, why not using it ? ;)
I won't have to fix it...
Phil

Le Monday 12 February 2007 13:17:05 Sander Hoentjen, vous avez écrit :
 On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 03:13 -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
  Hello, I was looking at Coccinella's file structure and I saw an
  extension that Mats uses : tktray I looked it up and :
  http://sw4me.com/wiki/Tktray
 
  You'll also find info about it in here :
  http://wiki.tcl.tk/5972
  and finally a page that might be usefull : http://wiki.tcl.tk/4090
 
  maybe tktray is perfect for us.. it's simple, manages transparency,
  autoresizes itself and everything, you can set a -visible true/false to
  hide mail icon, so when a new mail is receive, we only unhide it which
  will make it appear next to the amsn icon, not someplace far away from
  it. read all about it. should we use this extension instead ? since it
  looks good ? maybe just test it? at least, it will be easier to switch to
  the new extension rather than try to fix that damn bug where the image is
  screwed up in linux... what you guys (who uses it) think ?

 Looks great. You probably know I am very much in favor of having most
 things like that in an upstream project (my fedora amsn rpm will be a
 few bytes smaller, jay), so count me as +1. :)

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Re: [Amsn-devel] libtray for linux ?

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I can't configure it :s
Phil

Le Monday 12 February 2007 19:29:44 Philippe Valembois - Phil, vous avez 
écrit :
 Hi,
 if it works, why not using it ? ;)
 I won't have to fix it...
 Phil

 Le Monday 12 February 2007 13:17:05 Sander Hoentjen, vous avez écrit :
  On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 03:13 -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote:
   Hello, I was looking at Coccinella's file structure and I saw an
   extension that Mats uses : tktray I looked it up and :
   http://sw4me.com/wiki/Tktray
  
   You'll also find info about it in here :
   http://wiki.tcl.tk/5972
   and finally a page that might be usefull : http://wiki.tcl.tk/4090
  
   maybe tktray is perfect for us.. it's simple, manages transparency,
   autoresizes itself and everything, you can set a -visible true/false to
   hide mail icon, so when a new mail is receive, we only unhide it which
   will make it appear next to the amsn icon, not someplace far away from
   it. read all about it. should we use this extension instead ? since it
   looks good ? maybe just test it? at least, it will be easier to switch
   to the new extension rather than try to fix that damn bug where the
   image is screwed up in linux... what you guys (who uses it) think ?
 
  Looks great. You probably know I am very much in favor of having most
  things like that in an upstream project (my fedora amsn rpm will be a
  few bytes smaller, jay), so count me as +1. :)
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Feature request

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Hi,
First please use forums for such questions as the mailing list is reserved to 
developers...
Second, you can get a preview of your webcam using the webcam assistant...
You will find it in other preferences...
Phil

Le Wednesday 07 February 2007 22:13:00 Anne Wilson, vous avez écrit :
 Having just installed the SVN version, I can see a great many changes since
 the version installed with FC6.  Very pleasing.  Now to my request :-)

 Many of use are finding problems with webcams.  At the moment I'm using
 ekiga or kopete to test the setup of the webcam - obviously not the best
 solution when I want to use it with amsn.  Would it be possible to give a
 webcam preview in some form, so that we can check settings before actually
 sending the video?

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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.97 gifts!

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Hi,
I just want to say what Youness already knows :
gift are so better than money !!
It will be sth personalized :d
Anyway, a meeting isn't possible : we have too many constraints : holidays, 
homework, moving... So many... :(
Maybe when we will be a huge community with many sponsors... :p
Phil

Le Friday 02 February 2007 17:25, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 Yes, that's what Alvaro always wanted, but if we were to do something like
 that, we would have to wait a few years just to get enough money for the
 plane tickets... planes are so expensive now.. + not everyone can because
 some of us work, so it will be a though call...
 While I think we can have a gift and keep it as a souvenir and everyone can
 get a t-shirt etc... and that would cost less than one airplane ticket :p

 KKRT

 On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 05:19:02PM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote:
  I have another idea for a way to spend the money: what about
  organiseing an event for aMSN developpers ?  Like a
  week-during-summit/hackfest ?  The money can be used to buy airplane
  tickets and accomodation.  It should be researched what's the best and
  most profitable place then etc ...
 
  Karel.
 
  2007/2/2, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   Happy you guys like the idea, now all we need is to have a real list of
   good ideas.. NWM, you want to add a section to the wiki with amsn
   tshirt text ideas in it and add those you said, and Karel said (hey
   you have to work a little if you want to get a t-shirt :p lol) ? thx
  
   p.s.: I just remembered that NWM is supposed to be  the wiki maintainer
   :@ what a great job, youhou!! lol j/k :p
  
  
   KKRT
  
   On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 11:21:55AM -0300, Gustavo A. Diaz wrote:
+1
   
I vote for Gifts than money. I think that is a better prize for Devs.
   
Youness Alaoui escribio':
:(

thanx for turning down the proposal :p
well, I don't think money is a good idea because it will end up
 being spent on something like food most probably :p
but as I said, you could get to choose your gift, + even if it's a
 cheap gift and you could have bought something better with that
 money + your own, it's not the same as a gift offered by amsn
Also, we could save on postage by making the 'winners' buy the gift,
 then reimburse them later the amount spent on the gift...

KKRT

On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 07:32:32PM +1300, majinsoftware wrote:
I would say that money would be the best option so then you could
 buy the prize and save on postage, or you could buy something else
 if you didnt like
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Re: [Amsn-devel] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7802] trunk/amsn]

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
why don't you implement the alternative 2 as you can't see any con to it ?
BY the way, the main trouble IMO is that the dpchooser for our own display pic 
doesn't resize if you resize the window
I tried to fix it but didn't managed
Phil

Le Wednesday 31 January 2007 20:03, Cristofaro Del Prete a écrit :
 Hi... looks like very few developers are interested in this issue... so,
 I'm writing a clean summary of it, hoping that it will make easier to
 get opinions.

 Subject:
 Custom DP - Supposed behavior and features (from an end-user viewpoint)
 of the user display pictures tab (in the contact properties screen)

 --- Current Implementation ---
 The user DPs tab shows a selector dpbrowser, with a preview box and a
 set of buttons to interact with the selected image.

 Pros:
 * Everything about user DPs is inside that tab

 Cons:
 * When setting a custom DP to a user, you can only choose among that
 user's cached DP
 * It's not easily visible if a custom DP has been set on a user
 * For consistence with other custom options, the custom DP setting
 should be in the settings tab

 --- Alternative 1 ---
 The custom DP setting is implemented through change/remove buttons in
 the settings tab, with a preview only if a custom DP is set (same
 behavior as the custom color).
 The user DPs tab only contains a dpbrowser with the cached DPs, in
 viewonly mode (no interaction)

 Pros:
 * custom DP consistent with other custom settings
 * Full featured dpbrowser for custom DP selection

 Cons:
 * A dpbrowser must be opened to be able to delete (or copy to clipboard)
 a cached display picture

 --- Alternative 2 ---
 The custom DP setting is implemented through change/remove buttons in
 the settings tab, with a preview only if a custom DP is set (same
 behavior as the custom color).
 The user DPs tab only contains a dpbrowser with the cached DPs, in
 properties mode (popup menus)

 Pros:
 * custom DP consistent with other custom settings
 * Full featured dpbrowser for custom DP selection

 Cons:



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Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces

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* How would you like the spaces to be displayed
1 - using a ccard like WLM

2 - using the inline thing as Karel did
Karel(1st)
Yoda(2nd)
Tjikkun (1st)

3 - having both with either one as default
NoWhereMan  (inline)
Yoda(inline) (1st)
Tjikkun (inline) (2nd)
Vivia   (ccard)
Karel   (inline) (2nd)

4 - having both with the popup window asking the user to make a choice
KaKaRoTo

5 - other
Phil : no spaces at all...


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Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
First, I think you should calm down...
Second, you said to stop being inactive... I think I had been clear : I 
proposed to start this week end... Is it too slow for you ?
Phil
PS By the way I had been removing all the text widget stuff from the code for 
3 days... Just some fixes and it will be good...

Le Friday 19 January 2007 16:05, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 I THOUGHT I ASKED FOR A POLL!
 So now, everyone, stop slacking off, stop being inactive for just once and
 vote in the damn poll :

 * How would you like the spaces to be displayed
 1 - using a ccard like WLM
 2 - using the inline thing as Karel did
 3 - having both with either one as default
 4 - having both with the popup window asking the user to make a choice
 5 - other


 You can give multiple choices, make sure you put your first and second
 choice in brackets and for number 3, put in brackets which one you'd like
 to see as default, and for  5-, if you have another idea, tell us, but
 outside the poll (still vote in it, just add a seaprate mail for explaining
 the other alternative), BUT make sure to ALSO vote for one of the 4
 suggestions you like best because if your 'other' idea is rejected, you
 would have lost your vote and I want everyone's opininon on this.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces

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Nothing...
Phil

Le Friday 19 January 2007 18:45, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
  5-, if you have another idea, tell us, but

  outside the poll (still vote in it, just add a seaprate mail for
  explaining the other alternative), BUT make sure to ALSO vote for one of
  the 4 suggestions you like best because if your 'other' idea is rejected,
  you would have lost your vote and I want everyone's opininon on this.

 Phil.. I think your 'solution' will be rejected... :p what would you vote ?

 KKRT

 On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 06:09:22PM +0100, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote:
  * How would you like the spaces to be displayed
  1 - using a ccard like WLM
 
  2 - using the inline thing as Karel did
  Karel(1st)
  Yoda(2nd)
  Tjikkun (1st)
 
  3 - having both with either one as default
  NoWhereMan  (inline)
  Yoda(inline) (1st)
  Tjikkun (inline) (2nd)
  Vivia   (ccard)
  Karel   (inline) (2nd)
  Cristofaro (ccard) (2nd)
 
  4 - having both with the popup window asking the user to make a choice
  KaKaRoTo
  Cristofaro (1st)
 
  5 - other
  Phil : no spaces at all...
 
 
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces

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That was planned with the split of the code...
Phil

Le Friday 19 January 2007 18:52, NoWhereMan a écrit :
 - Original Message -
 From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN
 amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces

  5-, if you have another idea, tell us, but
 
  outside the poll (still vote in it, just add a seaprate mail for
  explaining
  the other alternative), BUT make sure to ALSO vote for one of the 4
  suggestions you like best because if your 'other' idea is rejected, you
  would have lost your vote and I want everyone's opininon on this.
 
  Phil.. I think your 'solution' will be rejected... :p what would you vote
  ?

 BTW I kind of liked his idea of keeping them all as a plugin and just
 providing the reading procs in the core.
 The ccard can then stay a plugin as it is, but what about th inline
 thingie? You should then provide a graphical event trigger to display stuff
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Smiley menu + Beryl

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If it doesn't break for other WMs you can commit it...
Phil

Le Friday 19 January 2007 20:40, Cristofaro Del Prete a écrit :
 Hi guys,
 maybe you remember that nasty issue between smiley menu and beryl...
 As reported in this thread [1], Beryl developers marked the related bug
 report [2] as a wontfix, and closed it.

 A month ago I sent a workaround-patch for this issue, that has not been
 committed to wait for Beryl developers to fix the problem.

 Is it safe if I commit it now?
 The patch is attached to this message, for an eventual review.

 Thanks for your attention.

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Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
what I am just seeing is a battle of two ideas and I don't like twice...
I hate MSN Spaces and I don't care if somebody has updated its blog...
I think that MSN Messenger is for Instant messaging and that's all...
I think that all of these things should go in a plugin... The core can provide 
functionalities to let plugins get all the information they need but I think 
that the displaying code must go in a plugin.
Now, you will say that's not easy but I think you are wrong...
What misses in the newCL code is some splits for some major functions like 
drawContact...
For that I have in mind to have several procs to display the several parts of 
the contact information...
To help us to have all variables updated, don't forget that Tcl/Tk provides 
the upvar command that let you use the variables of the parent functions...
I was thinking about this split since some time and I think I will be able to 
do it this week-end...
So if everybody agrees, I propose to put a lock on guicontactlist.tcl as soon 
as I will begin to write the code as I don't want to see anybody modify the 
code when I am splitting it...
By the way, don't forget that if many users like aMSN, it's because it can 
stay light compared to Live Messenger...
Phil

Le Thursday 18 January 2007 17:09, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 03:14:06PM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote:
  2007/1/13, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   Hello hello...
   ok, now I remember your mockup! but let's start with NWM's mockup : bad
   idea, too big, no more CL available, the way yyou did it is good, but
   as a separate window.
  
   now about Karel. I must say, I didn't like it at all. well, I still
   don't for one main reason : in your mockup those photos/blog posts are
   from your contact Vivia, but I know vivia doesn't have any space :p
   no, seriously, my main concern is that the CL is a CL, it's a contact
   list, to see your contact and allow you to interact. When you were
   saying the ccard is bad, I thought 'you may be right, it's too small,
   clustered, etc.. but I thought the idea would be to have an
   'informational window' just like the properties window when the user
   can clearly see the info he wants. I didn't think you were talking
   about an embeded thing inside the CL. Your idea, for me at least, is
   not good because it renders the CL as something else, it doesn't become
   a contact list but a contact/information list. To me, this idea
   would be analog to clicking on the you have 10 new messages in your
   inbox button and the CL expands to show you all your emails... the CL
   is not a browser...
   it's like a dispatcher, it's there to give you QUICK ACCESS to your
   contacts, their status and your inbox count. Having that extra info is
   not in the 'philosophy' of a contact list. I hope I got myself clear
   enough...
 
  Well, if you really mean that's the only use for out contactlist, then
  why do we show the music contacts play and how they feel (psm)?

 The PSM is part of the user information, it can be in the shower or
 something, so it is usefull when looking at the CL.

   now, I didn't take too much time in reading your posts because.. well,
   no offense, I just didn't feel like it :) I did read them though but
   didn't spend much time on trying to understand every dot and commas.
   The good news is that your idea is not that 'bad', it just doesn't fit
   in the philosophy of the CL (in MY opinion) BUT it is 100% very good in
   terms of usability (without considering the fact that the user might
   say 'wtf is this doing here'). Your point about how to rescan the
   screen, the direction of the parsing of the list, the availability of
   the info, etc.. I think it all makes perfect sense, the problem is just
   that I don't know how the users would react to that...  I personally
   would say I prefer a ccard.
  
   If we go back in time a little, go back to the early days of my
   participation in this project, I remember we had some kind of rule :
   for EVERY new feature, make it optional, for everything that may be
   done 2 ways, make it an option...
   actually, it was more of a customization thing and answering every
   user's needs so you must be able to customize everything your way, if a
   user asks for your mockup, we do it but as an option, someone asks for
   a ccard, we do it but as an option.
   What I would like to propose is to have it both ways. The ccard is
   really easy, it can be done in a few minutes, I'm sure, I mean the
   whole code is there already, all we need to do is, when inserting the
   data in the ccard, add a few lines where we insert additional infos
   like blog posts and such. Your idea would take a bit more time I would
   guess, right ? but it won't take too much either. Hummm... I just
   noticed something, in your mockup, you have that photos/ blog posts
   thing, and it looks exactly the same as how it should go in the ccard,
   and the new CL is a canvas and 

Re: [Amsn-devel] preferences windows

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Hi,
The thing you describe here is a little implemented somewhere in the file 
preferences.tcl : it's a job that Alvaro began before his idleness :p
I you want to contribute you can look at that ;)
Phil

Le Thursday 04 January 2007 10:03, NoWhereMan a écrit :
 - Original Message -
 From: Joshua Henderson
 To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN
 Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] preferences windows

  I like the idea of something like the old Firefox preferences dialog
  (with controls on the side).
 
  Another thing on user interface, is I sometimes find it hard to
  find what I am looking for with the menus. I don't know
  of a way that could improve it, but I would like to see the
  Preferences moved up in the Account menu
  (I am not even sure whether it should really belong in the Account menu,
  but I can't seem to see a better place for it).

 OS X, vista, (soon Gnome I think) have find-as-you-type boxes on their
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Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7714] trunk/amsn/utils/linux/capture/capture.c

[Philippe Valembois - Phil]

Youness you are the best !
Thanks !
Anyway this method is obsolete according to Tcl/Tk documentation. So I will 
left this one like that and correct others...
Phil

Le Sunday 31 December 2006 23:15, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
 This would have been better :

 -  Tcl_AppendResult(interp,capItem-requested_format-format_name);
 +  Tcl_AppendResult(interp,capItem-requested_format-format_name, (char *)
 NULL);

 The AppendResult takes a list of strings and ends with a NULL argument.
 Make sure all other uses of AppendResult are correctly done.
 Thanks.

 KKRT

 On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 06:55:24AM -0800, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Revision: 7714
http://svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=7714view=rev
  Author:   lephilousophe
  Date: 2006-12-31 06:55:23 -0800 (Sun, 31 Dec 2006)
 
  Log Message:
  ---
  A try to fix this bad segfault...
 
  Modified Paths:
  --
  trunk/amsn/utils/linux/capture/capture.c
 
  Modified: trunk/amsn/utils/linux/capture/capture.c
  ===
  --- trunk/amsn/utils/linux/capture/capture.c2006-12-31 13:22:01 UTC 
  (rev
  7713) +++ trunk/amsn/utils/linux/capture/capture.c  2006-12-31 14:55:23
  UTC (rev 7714) @@ -802,9 +802,9 @@
   # endif
   );
 
  -  Tcl_ResetResult(interp);
  -  Tcl_AppendResult(interp,capItem-requested_format-format_name);
 
  + 
  Tcl_SetObjResult(interp,Tcl_NewStringObj(capItem-requested_format-forma
 t_name, -1)); +
 // Make sure to release the rgb_buffer if no converter is used so the
  next grab will not wait unnecessarily if (!capItem-handle)
   ng_release_video_buf(capItem-rgb_buffer);
 
 
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