gt; devices' NFC tags - that just sounds like an intriguing option. Would
> also have solved my QR code experiences. But not sure if it would be
> cheap enough for typical home automatin IOT devices.
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come up with words to explain this.
If you think it should be reflected in the new/additional voucher types, I'm
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t;registrar-agent"), and the pledge. With the initiation reversed.
2. the connection between RA and CA might not be encrypted.
In general, CMP messages are designed so that they need transport security.
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slides, and some videos of a few presentations
on BRSKI. https://brski.org/brski-impls.html
_Generic Animation of BRSKI - Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtbh_GN0Ce4
is something I put together specifically to answer this question.
It's only 5 minutes
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Do you have a specific situation/need which is not covered yet?
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> With this, are we addressing two different statements in one
> enumeration? Or did I misinterpret the enum?
It may well be that in the ~10 years since we started, that the concepts have
drifted. Probably worth a re-think after a few years of real deployment.
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> And maybe one could force this by asking those RFC to be cluseted to
> achieve this.
That's what a cluster is.
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I don't like creating new clusters though, so I suggest that we wait on
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tch hardware.
We need to have a sensible path towards that; so the ACP has to be useful on
"day one" in the cabinet of systems situation, I see the ACP has being
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witch ASIC / NIC like those
> found on eay-to-experiment-on OpenWRT routers do seem to have MacSEC...
My opinion is that it's okay for the ACP to be relatively low bandwidth, if
things like MPTCP (or it's QUIC variations) are used, and traffic can go via
the "production
lso a reason to prefer the L2 methods of discovery,
like the LLDP things I've talked about in the past: ones that do not spread
past the current cabinet.
I don't know a huge amount about ToR switches from the last ten years. I
wonder if there is a way to offload the ACP communications to
sanely reviewed. Getting
IANA to tell us if we got it right early allows us to continue.
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09 -in foo -text" vs "openssl x509 -in foo " )
Do people want them all expanded?
I also notice that the certificates have expired, and I'll go back to my
reference code and update things. I have asked Kent for a worked example of
an SZTP key. I have a CMS signed key from Thoma
In RFC-to-be 9595, aka draft-ietf-core-yang-sid, we attempted to populate the
SID ranges 2450 and 2500. This was originally done in
draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher, but in the YANG revision process, we
had to move the definition of these ranges to draft-ietf-anima-rfc8366bis.
An email went
{seems like this ought to be on the ANIMA@ list}
Toerless Eckert wrote:
> In other words: If you from IANA want to consider those allocations to
> be early and then to be removed
> if the early allocation should expire, that's fine, but that does not
need to impact the
> RFC-ed q
We cancelled the meeting on Tuesday June 25th due to national vacations
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> “Voucher” description. Should the draft then not also mention the
> “application/voucher-jws+json” media type registered in
> draft-ietf-anima-jws-voucher-09?
No, because ietf-anima-jws-voucher is responsible for that media type.
rmat. As long as it gets delivered
> to the right entity (e.g. a Registrar) that knows how to parse it and
> what to send back.
But, we still have to figure out how to scale the discovery process itself so
that we aren't sending 9031 format join messages to a DTLS/cBRSKI-only
Reg
Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> On 5 Apr 2024, at 07:21, Michael Richardson
>> wrote:
>>
>> We in ANIMA have been struggling because we have an artifact, a
>> voucher (YANG defined in RFC8366, being revised/extended in 8366bis),
>> which c
rs separated by periods. They are not JSON.
Neither is image/svg+xml+gzip actually XML, until you decode the GZIP.
> application/voucher+jwt would make sense.
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ppose it's OK?
So, +jwt and +cose says, "this is a signed object, and if you look in the
payload slot, you might find something you might know how to decode" (or not)
But, for many formats they only appear in a signed form in the wild, so maybe
this just doesn't matter.
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e the string expression
of the IP address.
As you say, it won't work, so the Registrar, being defensive, needs to just
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or the MASA to be hosted in
a modern multi-tenant TLS infrastructure.
This way, you can use the github "Suggest" text.
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documented option and replace it. But i don't think/hope
> that that is the case.
WHen someone shows up with hardware that can't be used, we should have this
discussion.
I will attempt to put together some slides for 119 that address the ULA
addressing on the ACP DULL side that I a
ement text for
> the Errata that we both agree on so he can update the Errata with it.
All of the text you have proposed is fine with me in the end.
Short of it: all parties always send SNI.
(Registrar must often ignore SNI upon receipt)
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See e.g.: AWS cost for IPv4 > address.
On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 09:01:50AM -0500, Michael Richardson wrote:
>> Right, but it's self-righting. A manufacturer that uses an SNI-only
>> cloud registrar and does not do SNI will fail immediately: they won't
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Sheng JIANG wrote:
> This email starts a two-week adoption call on
> draft-eckert-anima-brski-discovery-01. It ends by 2024/2/23rd.
Yes, we need this document to complement the other mentioned documents and
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tion, and it's fine.
But, for BRSKI-EST link, we can assume enough modern TLS to allow for SNI
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Enterprise, or inside the ACP.
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> actually require SNI support by the TLS stack. So the proposed text
> could be read as contradicting TLS 1.3. Therefore suggested rewrite
> does not mention TLS versions.
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Thank you Rob.
I've made three new issues in github for your three levels of comments, and
the authors will attempt to finish this up by week of Jan.31ish.
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menting things, and probably my
draft-richardson-anima-registrar-considerations.
**The SNI comment is really the Technical update part**
I'd like the XML to be patched, so whatever gets that done.
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> The correct section number is 6.2.2.1.
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ically, I don’t think that the
> existing text is wrong, but consistently using RFC 2119 keywords may
> add clarity.
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re: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7263
I agree that the correct text is:
idevid-issuer: The Issuer value from the pledge IDevID certificate
MUST BE included to ensure unique interpretation of the serial-
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The security considerations seem wrong.
What is the TLS hop by hop security?
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The design team will not meet on Dec.26 or Jan.2.
It will resume on Jan. 9 at it's usual time of 11am EST or 1600UTC.
There are calendar invites in the WG archives, or you can unicast me for
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t didn't work for me last time I tried, but that was many months
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ic keys during manufacturing and capturing those into MASA and
> manufacturing databases - instead of also having to bother about a
> CA. It might be useful to add a paragraph about this benefit, although
> it is AFAIK not really BRSKI Cloud specific - but it seems like this
>
iscovering a Registrar that supports
> a particular (deviating) certificate type X may then be needed. This
> could be viewed as just a different type of Voucher that needs to be
> supported.
I was hoping (my head in the sand) you wouldn't bring this up :-)
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Why didn't we say this?
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okay, thank for this.
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> In the IANA registry, should this errata report be listed as a second
> reference for "AN_join_registrar"?
I suppose it doesn't hurt.
Seciton 8.7 links to section 4.3 already.
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031) includes a mechanism to rekey the network that is push.
The problem/reason we have no push mechanism is that we (the IETF) don't
really have a standard datamodel/interface-to-device, while other SDO
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Thank you for all the work on this document.
I think that where it says that it updates RFC8366bis, it probably should
just recap what 8366bis says (and that document should say it).
I guess that requires further document coordination work.
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ar.
> Do we ever need renewal to go through a proxy ?
It's probably wrong.
If the node has lost so much network that it's no longer on the ACP (or the
IoT network), then it probably should go through onboarding again. It might
have moved, or something happened.
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Toerless Eckert wrote:
> Check the GRASP text in both drafts, i think the text in
> constrained-join-proxy is more harmfull to move forward than the one in
> constrained-voucher. So i would definitely like to see it removed, or i
> would want to raise concerns about it (which i thi
Toerless Eckert wrote:
> I don't see a reason why GRASP should not work well on even further
> constrained devices.
I personally found GRASP way easier to implement in a constrained fashion than
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> a scenario where constrained nodes participate in a full ANIMA ACP.
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protocols: "EST-TLS" for RFC 7030.
> It should say:
>objective-value = text ; name of the supported protocol, ; e.g.,
> "EST-TLS" for RFC 7030.
> Regards, Rob
> -Original Message- From: Michael Richardson
> Sent: Thursd
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>> You may review the report below and at:
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7576
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>>
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internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote:
>Title: Join Proxy for Bootstrapping of Constrained Network Elements
> Authors: Michael Richardson Peter van der Stok Panos Kampanakis Name:
> draft-ietf-anima-constrained-join-proxy-15.txt Pages: 26 Dates:
> 2023-11-06
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d. So if readers come to the linked issues and find them
closed/merged, they should just know that we are making progress.
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ill this get
integrated into supply processes. Definitely a topic for discussion at
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> On 25-Sep-23 07:10, Michael Richardson wrote:
>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> > Certainly, but that depends on humans. We also need filters for github
>> > messages, because if you are subscribed to a repo, you tend to get
ctivity on a repo.
yes, Mark Nottingham has a script that sends a weekly summary.
For instance:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/26oBDDCLnEXOP4y1r8iUpLje9Hc/
github.com/ietf-github-services/activity-summary
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orNameNNN. Aka: automated reactions must be possible by
> only examining the ErrorNameNNN.
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Fries, Steffen wrote:
> A further alternative may be _Join Proxy for Bootstrapping of
> Constrained Network Elements_
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Or even s/Bootstrapping/Onboarding/
but, actually we document both State and Stateless mechanisms.
Please help me fix the title and from that, the abstract.
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Is the WGLC finished then?
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(artifact is USA spelling)
voucher data: the raw (serialized) representation in whatever format
(JSON, CBOR), without any signature. Maybe be preceeded by
"JSON" or "CBOR"
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should be additional
columns in the Registry. Specifically, we have changes in the $transport-proto
for both, which can vary from IPPROTO_TCP in RFC8995, to IPPROTO_UDP for the
coap methods. Should that be in the table too?
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ound there's still many typos and word omissions that
> could be fixed before moving this document forward to IESG. Not sure if
> that's needed (we can apply the lazy-fix policy and let IESG find them
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This one.
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Carsten Bormann wrote:
> Do you want:
>>> objective-value = text ; name of the supported protocol. ; e.g.,
>>> "EST-TLS" for RFC 7030.
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> I think it should now say:
> objective-value = text ; name of the supported protocols. ; e.g.,
> "EST-TLS" for RFC 7030.
https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7576
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> Want to throw a different proposal in the room.
But, here we are trying to clarify a confusion in 8995.
You are trying to propose something new, which wouldn't be in errata.
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On 26-Jul-23 09:06, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > That makes sense, but it probably needs to be normatively specified,
> > which would avoid any need to change RFC 8995, except perhaps an
> > erratum to delete that "(list of)
find the document that goes with the value.
> Yes, makes sense.
okay, where do we register it?
constrained-voucher?
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the value of the registry is that
it lets people find the document that goes with the value.
If we do want a registry, it needs to go into one of the two above documents,
I think. I don't want to drag this on longer than it needs to be, because
these documents have taken too long alre
continuous assurance protocol, but
OTH, it would be nice to do this before the device is accepting onto the
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Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 02:35:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>> So draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher, has some optimizations that
>> can sometimes let the pledge skip the /crts, but why is that
>> int
.
> As a cose WG “member”, I feel it is slightly weird for anima to
> register that. But you don’t need a draft, I think; a (correctly!)
> filled in registration template sent to IANA should trigger the expert
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> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 05:52:30PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>> IN section 1.1, without having given a picture of what you are doing
>> you start to say: "The alternative to this constraint is to declare
>> this
tend, and I don't find them controversial,
and at this point, I think you hold the lead pen, so I'd encourage you to
just do them.
This document is now like 6+ years old, and it would be nice to get it done
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quot;payload": BASE64URL(ietf-voucher:voucher),
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