Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : musicalman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities *sigh* Here we go again, debates turn into arguments where people just can't seem to agree or understand each other's side. To be fair, I don't think there's much to understand... Sure we'd love it if immature blind people could act respectable and stop soiling the reputations of respectable blind people, but it ain't gonna happen and we all know it. So what purpose does this topic serve?All I see is it giving @GrannyCheeseWheel an opportunity to rant. Fair enough, I suppose. But I at least feel that's quite a self indulgent thing. By ranting like this, all you're doing is pretty much giving those who agree with you a chance to thumb you up and add to the fire, and forcing those who disagree with you to either argue your point or just step away. Not a very healthy discussion dynamic you encourage there... And yeah I know some people don't care about encouraging healthy discussion dynamic and blah blah, they just want a place where they can vent. Fair enough I suppose, but don't expect forum members to stand by and let you do it. Public self indulgent behavior has consequences, and those consequences affect other people and snowball and can do all sorts of things.GrannyCheeseWheel wrote:If you're running into something you believe is a blindness specific accessibility barrier, then by all means, talk about it. But make a god damn effort will you?Throwing the same back at ya, bud. If you actually think you're running into blindness specific issues with the way people act, make an effort to deal with it in a way that is actually, ya know, constructive. Don't stand on frustrated street ranting and raving about how the people you hang out with are shitbags, and don't drag us into the mess you have lost interest in cleaning up.Look, you made good points. There are certainly situations where bad behavior from blind people has tainted our reputation as a community. I'm sure there are at least a few people I will meet who will think you and I are as bad as those 13-year-old blind kids who don't have any social skills and engage in so-called blinky behavior. So I get your frustration, but I think it is 1, overstated and 2, expressed in a way that isn't doing any good. And to be honest, plenty of sighted kids have issues like that, not expressed the same way but yeah.You know autism has similar issues right? There are very respectable people with high functioning autism (I'm at least considering the fact that I am one of them), but when most people hear autistic, they immediately think stuff like, dependent, stupid, obsessive and inarticulate. To be fair Aspergers is closer to the high-functioning end of that scale, but still, it's lumped in with autism so carries some of that stigma with it. There are countless informal blogs by high-functioning autistics who try to get rid of these stereotypes, and none I have read resort to the op's tone. I mean, there are probably many which do, but all that's doing is making the outsider think autistics are a bunch of angry people who find it impossible to relate to normal folks. And if blind people do have a higher prevalence of autism, then you've got yourself a real issue, and calling groups of people with those issues fucktards and blinks isn't going to do anything good for them, no sir.So yeah as others have said, your delivery has shot you in the foot. You can make excuses, you can do what I think you're going to do and say I shouldn't have to taint what I say for a bunch of sensitive *insert insult here*. But truthfully, the delivery does matter. If you actually intend to do some good, you'd better find a way to control the negative emotions, because the way you're expressing them now is toxic and doesn't actually help solve the problems you're so fed up with; it just creates more petty generic problems.I know you can write better and think more deeply than this, based on some of your other posts here. To be frank, there are times when I almost wonder if your account has been hacked, because some of the time, you write extremely eloquently. Then sooner or later, something sets you off and you shift into this teenage emo "I hate the world and am going to have a one-man protest against this and that, and nothing you say will stop me" attitude, and it just saddens me to see. You've admitted in the past that you enjoy stirring shit up to see what happens, and while you're not doing that so much anymore, I still see this tendency you have to just let off steam without caring what anyone else thinks.Back when I made this thread, I was frustrated. I could have written a hate speech about how I hate my blindness, how I hate accessibility barriers, how nobody gives a fuck about my real problems, or if they do, they're not doing anything to make it go away. I mean, I did express some of that in a diplomatic way I think, but still. I do have those thoughts from time to time. I don't express them
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : musicalman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities *sigh* Here we go again, debates turn into arguments where people just can't seem to agree or understand each other's side. To be fair, I don't think there's much to understand... Sure we'd love it if immature blind people could act respectable and stop soiling the reputations of respectable blind people, but it ain't gonna happen and we all know it. So what purpose does this topic serve?All I see is it giving @GrannyCheeseWheel an opportunity to rant. Fair enough, I suppose. But I at least feel that's quite a self indulgent thing. By ranting like this, all you're doing is pretty much giving those who agree with you a chance to thumb you up and add to the fire, and forcing those who disagree with you to either argue your point or just step away. Not a very healthy discussion dynamic you encourage there... And yeah I know some people don't care about encouraging healthy discussion dynamic and blah blah, they just want a place where they can vent. Fair enough I suppose, but don't expect forum members to stand by and let you do it. Public self indulgent behavior has consequences, and those consequences affect other people and snowball and can do all sorts of things.GrannyCheeseWheel wrote:If you're running into something you believe is a blindness specific accessibility barrier, then by all means, talk about it. But make a god damn effort will you?Throwing the same back at ya, bud. If you actually think you're running into blindness specific issues with the way people act, make an effort to deal with it in a way that is actually, ya know, constructive. Don't stand on frustrated street ranting and raving about how the people you hang out with are shitbags, and don't drag us into the mess you have lost interest in cleaning up.Look, you made good points. There are certainly situations where bad behavior from blind people has tainted our reputation as a community. I'm sure there are at least a few people I will meet who will think you and I are as bad as those 13-year-old blind kids who don't have any social skills and engage in so-called blinky behavior. So I get your frustration, but I think it is 1, overstated and 2, expressed in a way that isn't doing any good. And to be honest, plenty of sighted kids have issues like that, not expressed the same way but yeah. You know autism has similar issues right? Theere are very respectable people with hugh functioning autism (I'm at least considering the fact that i am one of them), but when most people hear autistic, they immediately think dependent, stupid, obsessive and inarticulate. To be fair Aspergers is closer to the high-functioning end of that scale, but still, it's lumped in with autism so carries some of that stigma with it. If blind people do have a higher prevelence of autism, then you've got yourself a real issue, and calling groups of people with those issues fucktards and blinks isn't going to do anything good for them, no sir.So yeah as others have said, your delivery has shot you in the foot. You can make excuses, you can do what I think you're going to do and say I shouldn't have to taint what I say for a bunch of sensitive *insert insult here*. But truthfully, the delivery does matter. If you actually intend to do some good, you'd better find a way to control the negative emotions, because the way you're expressing them now is toxic and doesn't actually help solve the problems you're so fed up with; it just creates more petty generic problems.I know you can write better and think more deeply than this, based on some of your other posts here. To be frank, there are times when I almost wonder if your account has been hacked, because some of the time, you write extremely eloquently. Then sooner or later, something sets you off and you shift into this teenage emo "I hate the world and am going to have a one-man protest against this and that, and nothing you say will stop me" attitude, and it just saddens me to see. You've admitted in the past that you enjoy stirring shit up to see what happens, and while you're not doing that so much anymore, I still see this tendency you have to just let off steam without caring what anyone else thinks.Back when I made this thread, I was frustrated. I could have written a hate speech about how I hate my blindness, how I hate accessibility barriers, how nobody gives a fuck about my real problems, or if they do, they're not doing anything to make it go away. I mean, I did express some of that in a diplomatic way I think, but still. I do have those thoughts from time to time. I don't express them outwardly, but I do have intense feelings of hatred of my blindness, and yes, I have a lot of disgust toward this community about the very things the op is railing against. However, my interest in being sensitive an understanding, is also very strong. So before I write anything down, I try to calm myself down to a reasonable amount. I was still mad
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities at least you both agree on something, that's a start. Maybe I said that lie on purpose to make y'all agree... I'm not as dumb asok yes I am. But I am smart too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615620/#p615620 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Nope, definitely hasn't. Hell by our standards, I'd say we're being pretty civil. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615618/#p615618 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I don't know what you're reading, but that hasn't happened. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615615/#p615615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities great. We have resorted to personal attacks and character assassination to solve our problems. Ok children, don't make the big scary guys come in here and give you punishments. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615611/#p615611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities 126, are you seriously accusing *me* of being the one who pops up and starts shit on a whim? Ahahahahahaha good one, I approve.Also, as much as I hate playing the age card, I do find it rather amusing that you, a 30 something year old man, are spending your time herling around insults I might expect from a 14 / 15 year old. I say might expect, because seriously I know plenty of people that age, all of them on this forum, who are far more mature / together in the head than you've demonstrated yourself to be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615606/#p615606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Agree with @131 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615556/#p615556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Also, putting this in a second post because I think it's important enough to address separately:Perhaps sighted people are so lazy that if I, 40-year-old blind professional developer signed up to play their game, they couldn't tell the difference between 17-year-old blind punk who shows up and publicly jerks off. You know what? That's on the sighted person, not on me. I'm not to be held to a higher standard because I'm blind. A woman isn't to be held to a higher standard because she's a woman. Neither is someone who is black, LGBTQIA, etc. If lazy people making broad generalizations is genuinely a thing that happens, those of you coming at the marginalized group are a) directing your energy at the wrong place and b) harming more than you help. Wanna make positive change? Be a good person. Don't piss yourself off at people who will never change, or kiss the asses of lazy people who aren't even smart enough to know that every blind person/woman/person of color/child/adult/Texan/Californian isn't the same person because of whatever trait they've chosen to fixate on that day. And don't tell those of us spending our lives trying to be good people simply because being good is good in and of itself, that we also have to shoulder this additional burden of blind ambassadorship. Because I ain't trying any harder or doing anything differently just so some of you fools are better represented. I'm not a blind representative, and no tantrum on a forum will change my mind on that.In short, be a good person. I've *never* knowingly had anyone treat me differently because of blindness, or come back later and say "I didn't want to associate you because I hung out with this one dude 5 years ago and..." And, if that has happened and I don't know about it, oh well. Not like I'm having a hard time finding cool people, and that probably comes from trying to be a level-headed person who doesn't fly off the handle and push away folks who aren't down with that way of relating to the world.OK, done for a while. Currently working on advocating for making an upcoming showcase game blind accessible. What are *you* doing today? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615552/#p615552 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Who knows?What I will say is this. I do agree with some of the points, but what I don't like is the approach used to make them. This situation could've been handled differently URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615551/#p615551 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities The thing that gets me about this thread is that, in the process of calling blind people out for various behaviors, it engages in some of those very same behaviors. And then goes on to say "this isn't an everyone problem, it's you blindies!"I mean, point made I suppose? I run with activists, various communities of marginalized folks, etc. And there are members of all of those communities that go forth and give the rest of us a bad name. But only in blindness-related communities do I see so much emphasis placed on how we all need to behave like representatives of blindness at every moment. And usually it's done in a very trainwrecky way. So maybe it *is* blindness-specific. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615547/#p615547 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : TheGreatCarver via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Yes, blind people have some nasty habits that reflect badly on all of us. But what you brought up is not a blind issue. Also, your post wasn't educational in the least. It just showed that you were furious and that you could drop four letter words. That doesn't help you prove a point, and it certainly doesn't educate people who are trying to avoid the blindyisms that annoy you. Next time, keep the anger in check and write intelligently. I've seen you do it before, so I know you're capable of doing it in the future. You'll attract more flies with honey than you will with vinegar, so stop dumping vinegar on everything and try the honey. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615541/#p615541 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @126, Did it ever occur to you that people have lives outside of this forum? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615544/#p615544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @127, Did it ever occur to you that people have lives outside of this forum? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615544/#p615544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : TheGreatCarver via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I see both sides here. Yes, blind people have some nasty habits that reflect badly on all of us. But what you brought up is not a blind issue. Also, your post wasn't educational in the least. It just showed that you were furious and that you could drop four letter words. That doesn't help you prove a point, and it certainly doesn't educate people who are trying to avoid the blindyisms that annoy you. Next time, keep the anger in check and write intelligently. I've seen you do it before, so I know you're capable of doing it in the future. You'll attract more flies with honey than you will with vinegar, so stop dumping vinegar on everything and try the honey. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615541/#p615541 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Lol you're telling me to grow up when you're the mole hiding in their hole only to pop up, start shit, then hide yourself away again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615540/#p615540 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities If you can't separate your point from your delivery, that's not on any of us. Grow up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615537/#p615537 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities If you can't separate the argument from the person, that's not on me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615524/#p615524 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @118, No one directly implecated you. Those engaging in this sort of behavior know who they are, and I'll admit that I probably have been one of those people, but I'm working hard not to be URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615517/#p615517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities delivery matters dude. Your points can become invalid if not delivered correctly or if a side point gains more attention than the main point, which is the case here. You shot yourself in the foot. Better to admit you need to improve your delivery skills and try again next time to prove this rather than trying to stand your ground right now and look even more like a fool. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615502/#p615502 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities delivery matters dude. Your points can become invalid if not delivered correctly or if a side point matters more than the main point, which is the case here. You shot yourself on the foot. Better to admit you need to improve your delivery skills and try again next time to prove this better rather than trying to stand your ground right now and look even more like a fool. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615502/#p615502 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I don't honestly care about the word itself. But yes, here in America, it's more taboo than other things, and is worse even than fuck. I use a nifty little thing called context to determine whether a word is being used as an insult or not. OMore people could try this.OK, so I could have used a better example to make this point, but it doesn't mean the point is invalid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615490/#p615490 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities y'all are all a bunch of cunts who have nothing better than arguing all day. There I just used the word cunt. Whether I get a warning or not will determine who is right in this argument. if I only get a caution, both sides are wrong. Is that a good way to settle this petty thread? Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615486/#p615486 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @117 Be done with it then; you're not changing my mind on this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615484/#p615484 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Yep, wouldn't have made lord the bursting point for this topic, but y'all can't deny there are uniquely blindie things that are either done or said by blind people that gives everybody a bad name. Just look at, for example, the people who are like, "Fuck x dev because their game is paid! I want all games to be free", or, "Mainstream games are shit because I can't play them!" And the thing is, its not only interacting with mainstream devs, its all the god damn time. So yeah, LL wasn't too bad in this instance, but for y'all who says its not only a blind thing you need to be real URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615480/#p615480 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : moaddye via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I'm innocent..Don't rant at me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615443/#p615443 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : moaddye via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I'm innocent. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615443/#p615443 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : firefly82 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @GrannyCheeseWheel:This is totally nonsensical and has absolutely nothing to do with behavior in mainstream communities!Was Lord's language poorly chosen?Definitely!But here you are turning a proportionate mosquito into a mammoth!I am done with this! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615441/#p615441 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I'm sure my dad would be fine with me moving my stuff over. All I have to do is say that I need to practice banking skills. But I haven't debated on whether I want the 1 now so I can build credit, or if I want to wait a little longer to be able to apply for ssi. That's exactly why my dad won't put it in, because he wants me to get ssi. I told him that's a stupid idea. But I'm starting to think maybe not after all. He will return the 1 at some point, he maybe it is smart for him to hold onto it so I can obtain ssi. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615409/#p615409 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Naruto via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @1 couldn't agree more. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615402/#p615402 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Or someone blaring German X-files at you so loud, the tectonic plates shift and California breaks off and goes into the ocean. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615352/#p615352 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities How dare you use such fowl language! Such blinkospheric trash! May your soul be suffered to eternal horrors such as having someone blow into their microphone at 5 gain, or rooting yanky doodle at 900 gain. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615338/#p615338 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Lol ... I started writing a draft, then deleted it, started writing another then decided it wasn't worth opening another cann of worms as I was tired, and still am, and didn't think I could express myself properly.I guess I accidentally hit the submit button.My god damn cunt of a brain is dying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615334/#p615334 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : black_mana via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities فخفشممغ شلقثث صهفا حخسف & URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615295/#p615295 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities *yawn* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615293/#p615293 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Exodus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
That's the thing with the word cunt, It's a word that's always without fail going to piss someone off, not slightly piss them off, but all the way up to 11 pissed off. Cunt is used as a term of endearment here more than it is an insult ("I love that cunt he's a fuckin legend," for example) but someone is always going to overhear the word being said and flip their shit accordingly. Maybe don't use cunt on the internet though, unless you genuinely want to insult someone by calling them a cunt and if you do then go nuts.Re: I'd really like to see a whole lot less armchair psychology and espousing of grand theories of humanity from this forum.Are you a psychologist? If yes, yay for you... Now quit with the fucking gatekeeping.If no, Then still yay for you... but don't attempt to gatekeep stuff that you know dick about.The amount of times I've seen what essentially boils down to you're not X, so should not be putting forth your opinions on Y and should only say Z is fucking astounding.I'm no meteorologist, but if one were peeing on me, then telling me that there was in fact a 100% chance of precipitation today and that armchair meteorologists such as myself are wrong and just need to stop then I'd be putting Pissy McPissface right pretty sharpish.
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Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @haily_merry, They can take it out because their name is on the account and they have full access. And in the US, when my mom set up a savings account for me when I was like twelve or thirteen, her name had to be on it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615285/#p615285 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I'm here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615277/#p615277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @granny URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615273/#p615273 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @105If you are going to call the police on a parent, don't threaten. Just do it. But sounds like you got out, so at this point that's probably irrelevant. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615254/#p615254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @102, yeah lol no. Without going into too many details, the hole house dragging thing happened to me, again, as early as a few weeks ago. Needless to say that was shortly before I moved out. I actually threatened to call the police on my dad when I was 15, that, did not end well.Banks in this country are kind of weird. As far as I'm aware, at least as regards minors, there are literally no federal laws in place as regards what banks are and are not allowed to do. When I say I got my bank account at 13, I mean I literally got all the shit in my name when I was that age. I still didn't have full control until a lot later, I didn't have my details in a form I could read until September 2019 because my parent's wouldn't give them to me and I was too scared to ask someone from college to do it, and I didn't get online banking until I was 17 because, again, my parents didn't want me to have it. They also flipped out when they realized I'd turned off paper statements and tried to force me to re enable them, but I wasn't about to just take their shit at that point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615242/#p615242 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I don't know why I have to keep reiterating what should be obvious. It doesn't matter what everyone else does. We're a very minor subset of people. What toxic gamers do is irrelevant to this discussion. When one of us fucks up, we all get judged as fuck ups.How many people do you think run across a blind person in their entire lives? Look at the unemployment rate of blind people, and look at the statistics that show how many of us there are on a global scale. So it's quite easy to see that if the one time in someone's life they meet a blind person, and that encounter is an unpleasant one, they'll think we're all like that.Again, it's not right, it's not fair, but it is a thing. I feel like most of you are drifting through life in dream mode, with no clue as to what's really going on. It's sad honestly. In dream land, you'll do anything to not see reality for what it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615237/#p615237 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : firefly82 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @GrannyCheeseWheel: HAHAHAHA! Have you ever heared about the toxic gaming community?So, as far as I know, it is not the blind fault.The problem is exactly the same in this area. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615198/#p615198 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @ZarvoxI don't see you as an asshole. I see you as troubled, and acting in an irrational fashion. Most of humanity does that at some point, and I'm no exception, but you won't get out of the hole you're in until you sit down and look at things rationally and separate out what's you and what's actually a problem and then figure out what to do about it.A lot of what you're describing is entirely typical experiences. Even "mail is on the table, and a specific person wants to sort it" is just a typical "I live with someone else in the house" and even something sighted people totally face too. If that sort of thing annoys you then you're only going to get full control if you live entirely alone, or with a *very* understanding roommate.Also, as mentioned in @92 the rehab centers might be a good idea if you can get into one. They're basically a few weeks where you go live on their campus and have a very intense "in 3 weeks you will be able to live alone" bootcamp. I always forget about them because I never really needed one or even looked into it, but it may be a good option for you.@95Being dragged across the house when you're 5 because you are not going to listen no matter what and there's no option because you're not old enough to be talked to or whatever: not great, should be the last resort, but at least understandable. When you're 14 or 15 and it was because you pointed out that your parents don't know what marriage means because they just got a divorce and your dad does that and everyone gets upset enough that he's backed you and your mom into the corner and terrified you both out of your minds, you say you're going to call the police, and he hands you the phone and dares you to do it? My mom was actually the one that called a bit later on because I had the typical holy shit shutdown now 14-year-old response, but yeah. My relationship is actually pretty okay with him now, because--he's not ever going to say sorry, in fact he remembers this whole incident differently because he's the sort of person who rewrites the past. But he's no longer a domineering asshole. I don't see him as dad anymore, though, just as a sort of friend-with-mutual-obligations.I'm not sharing that for sympathy, just because maybe it's helpful to share it here. I got over it a long time ago.As for bank accounts, Zarvox's parents only have access because they're giving them access. Until 18 in the U.S. you're a minor and a lot of banks will work with your parents and such, I believe, though maybe it's possible to remove the name back then too, I'm not sure. But what's happened here is that one way or another their dad's name was on the account. If he removes dad, replaces the card, and changes the pin, dad can only get in by breaking the law. Which maybe he would, and maybe Zarvox wouldn't do anything because families are complicated, but yeah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615194/#p615194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities The difference is that whoever's on the receiving end can be like oh another dumb fuck and let go of it. If we do that, it leaves an impression that the rest of us have to try to disentangle ourselves from. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615192/#p615192 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : stirlock via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I hate to break it to you, but this happens in the sighted world as well. Just look at resetera. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615189/#p615189 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities The armchair psychology is all over the internet. Especially on Reddit.OK, I can admit that my using this particular individual is a weak reference, because it wasn't a blindness specific thing that happened. However, it really does make me wonder how virtually know one knows what I'm talking about. It's worrying because it's indicative of a larger problem. People aren't aware that their behavior is weird, strange, abnormal, and not conducive to sustained normal human interaction. These same people will turn around and complain about how they're not treated fairly. Sighted people treat them like children, or like they need help with everything. Well a lot of that is down to stereotypes and misconceptions, but this is a behavioral thing too.The lol spamming, the monopolizing communications channels with things no one else cares about like your sound pack, your team talk servers, who did what to whom. It needs to stop, because it's hurting those of us who actually want to coexist with sighted people.Do you think Dennis and the rest of the folks who run AA expected to turn their MUD into a blindie daycare? Do you think they like some of the things that blind people bring to their MUD? The same question goes for any MUD. Are their developers happy with the way their MUD went since blind people moved in? I would heavily wager the answer to that question is a resounding NO!So yeah, post 1 was delivered in a yelling, swearing tone, because you all are acting like children and I'm fed up with the way that some of you end up tainting a place with your brand of silliness that really should be discouraged in your own community, and should not pass through to the outside world. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615177/#p615177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @96 fair enough, but I will disagree with one thing. There is always mail on the kitchen table, and I can't just sort that and organize it so I can have a place to eat without mail being in my way. Besides if I did try to organize it, my dad would say that it wasn't organized in a way he likes it. Yes, my dad attempts to sort his mail at the fucking kitchen table. And it doesn't work. Why? Because we're trying to put things on the table that, oh I don't know, belong on the table, and so I have to move things out of the way, and then he tries to sort it again plus adds more onto it, and this continues. Sometimes there is even mail in the chairs too. It's one thing to have a mail problem. But it's another to have a mail problem in the fucking kitchen! It doesn't matter if there is only 2 of us, the kitchen isn't for your god damn mail! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615174/#p615174 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @96 fair enough, but I will disagree with one thing. There is always mail on the kitchen table, and I can't just sort that and organize it so I can have a place to eat without mail being in my way. Besides if I did try to organize it, my dad would say that it wwasn't organized in a way he likes it. Yes, my dad attempts to sort his mail at the fucking kitchen table. And it doesn't work. Why? Because we're trying to put things on the table that, oh I don't know, belong on the table, and so I have to move things out of the way, and then he tries to sort it again plus adds more onto it, and this continues. Sometimes there is even mail in the chairs too. It's one thing to have a mail problem. But it's another to have a mail problem in the fucking kitchen! It doesn't matter if there is only 2 of us, the kitchen isn't for your god damn mail! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615174/#p615174 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @96 fair enough, but I will disagree with one thing. There is always mail on the kitchen table, and I can't just sort that and organize it so I can have a place to eat without mail being in my way. Besides if I did try to organize it, my dad would say that it wanted organized in a way he likes it. Yes, my dad attempts to sort his mail at the fucking kitchen table. And it doesn't work. Why? Because we're trying to put things on the table that, oh I don't know, belong on the table, and so I have to move things out of the way, and then he tries to sort it again plus adds more onto it, and this continues. Sometimes there is even mail in the chairs too. It's one thing to have a mail problem. But it's another to have a mail problem in the fucking kitchen! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615174/#p615174 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : djsenter via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Damn, Ben Shapiro of audio games, I admire your sentiment, and I know exactly what you are talking about, but actually, this happens a great lot in sighted environments, considering that there are much more sighted folks.We can only hope to guide some people and that some will mature overtime, or in the worst scenario, their parents fall off the bike and they'll have to figure it all out on their own. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615166/#p615166 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Hijacker via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Without having read the entire topic and not wanting to comment on the exact situation at hand, but only one small detail...Not wanting to clean up because someone is going to mess it up next week anyway... yeah, sounds exactly how cleaning and housekeeping works. You yourself will mess it up, because you usually don't have the discipline to clean up every time you spill something on the floor or simply make things messy. You just have to clean the flat, thats how it is, dirt comes literally from alone, dust will collect without you living in the flat, its just a thing you'll need to do, and thats already the end of the line . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615154/#p615154 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities 94,I think you're honestly reading far too much into this thread. I mean as you've said the hole Zarvox angle is a hole other thing, but the rest of this really does come down to 1 ragy blind guy playing to most of the stereotypes he's railing against, a few assorted yes men and opinionless idiots agreeing with him because his substanceless rhetoric is one that they can easily subscribe to, and everyone else trying to sow some common sense into a field intent upon reaping nothing but chaos and disorder. And then there's the Zarvox humans.Camlorn,Lol if both of my parents had been arrested every time they dragged me across a room, or a house, or whatever, they'd have some serious fucking problems with the legal system by now. Ditto the slapping, etc.I do fully agree with you though, re, families in general just plain sucking for the most part. If this thread has taught me anything, it's that situations like mine, or Zarvox's, etc are nowhere near as isolated as they honestly should be. And I mean, the rest of my family is no better in that department, my aunt, whom I'm staying with right now, doesn't even talk to my cozen any more, and my grandmother on my mum's side was abused pretty badly as a child before being literally taken away by the police and put into foster care.I do wonder though, on the subject of bank accounts in the US, how the fuck can parent's just withdraw money like that? My partner over there has a similar thing going on, they're 15, BTW, and I just. What? I got my own bank account when I was 13, have never needed to change providers, got registered for online banking when I turned 17 last year, that's it. I now have full control, I've long since stopped paper statements being sent to my parent's, etc. They would literally need both my debit card and pin in order to do anything with it, never mind that they're technically still my legal guardians. So how the hell can they just do that sort of thing over there? And, I'm sorry, but taking fucking £1 without even asking you first is literal theft. It's just wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615149/#p615149 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @91 TBH, I wasn't even thinking of the Zarvox angle. That's another angle this thread spun out in that I haven't really gotten into at all.I just see a lot of "I'm going to rant about X, so I'll construct an elaborate strawman and psychoanalyze it back to first principles," or "Y did something I don't like. That's because he thinks Z, and expects W, and..." Then the whole thread goes off the rails into half a hundred posts about someone's probably inaccurate motivations.I'd just like folks to take a minute and ask themselves if the stories they're making up might, maybe, not be accurate? And if that's a possibility, maybe they should just say something and leave it there, rather than piling a bunch of motivations onto someone and telling them what they think and why.Put more succinctly, I like interactions much less when someone tells me "I don't like that you did X, you're thinking Y and feeling Z," vs. just saying "I don't like X" and leaving it there. The latter doesn't strip away my autonomy and power. And I see a lot of unempowering behavior on this forum.That said, someone genuinely wanting advice in a situation where all parties can't be present, is a different thing entirely. I just wonder if we can start disliking people's games or choice of phone or whatever without trying to make it some huge character flaw that we've taken it upon ourselves to fix. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615142/#p615142 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities because I have the resources I need, I am just not taking full advantage of them, I am impatient in waiting for them, and my grit is weak. I have some strengths no doubt, but grit is a weak one. And let's not forget about the motherfucking virus that is slowing everything down like an enzyme with mental retardation. I'm sure I could be on better termss with my dad. I am just very very uncomfortable talking about any of my problems around him. I guess you can say that I don't give him a chance to help. But isn't it common sense that I need help? I've kind of hinting at the fact that I am unhappy. I don't show it to him, but he should be able to read between the lines, right? Maybe this is more of my fault than I originally thought, but my dad could be doing a lot better than he is. Sometimes he asks me, hey what is your situation with school like, or what is your situation of employment like. And I just say I don't know.I'm an asshole if you haven't noticed, and I think it is really starting to show now based on what I just said. I don't try to be an asshole, I just am.He asks me all the time if I am ok. I just say yeah, every time. I just don't think he is the right person to help me. Based on his logical skills that I see, and the behavior I do observe, I don't feel that he could help me much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615105/#p615105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities because I have the resources I need, I am just not taking full advantage of them, I am impatient in waiting for them, and my grit is weak. I have some strengths no doubt, but grit is a weak one. I'm sure I could be on better termss with my dad. I am just very very uncomfortable talking about any of my problems around him. I guess you can say that I don't give him a chance to help. But isn't it common sense that I need help? I've kind of hinting at the fact that I am unhappy. I don't show it to him, but he should be able to read between the lines, right? Maybe this is more of my fault than I originally thought, but my dad could be doing a lot better than he is. Sometimes he asks me, hey what is your situation with school like, or what is your situation of employment like. And I just say I don't know.I'm an asshole if you haven't noticed, and I think it is really starting to show now based on what I just said. I don't try to be an asshole, I just am.He asks me all the time if I am ok. I just say yeah, every time. I just don't think he is the right person to help me. Based on his logical skills that I see, and the behavior I do observe, I don't feel that he could help me much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615105/#p615105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities because I have the resources I need, I am just not taking full advantage of them, I am impatient in waiting for them, and my grit is weak. I have some strengths no doubt, but grit is a weak one. I'm sure I could be on better termss with my dad. I am just very very uncomfortable talking about any of my problems around him. I guess you can say that I don't give him a chance to help. But isn't it common sense that I need help? I've kind of hinting at the fact that I am unhappy. I don't show it to him, but he should be able to read between the lines, right? Maybe this is more of my fault than I originally thought, but my dad could be doing a lot better than he is. Sometimes he asks me, hey what is your situation with school like, or what is your situation of employment like. And I just say I don't know.I'm an asshole if you haven't noticed, and I think it is really starting to show now based on what I just said. I don't try to be an asshole, I just am. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615105/#p615105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities because I have the resources I need, I am just not taking full advantage of them, and my grit is weak. I have some strengths no doubt, but grit is a weak one. I'm sure I could be on better termss with my dad. I am just very very uncomfortable talking about any of my problems around him. I guess you can say that I don't give him a chance to help. But isn't it common sense that I need help? I've kind of hinting at the fact that I am unhappy. I don't show it to him, but he should be able to read between the lines, right? Maybe this is more of my fault than I originally thought, but my dad could be doing a lot better than he is. Sometimes he asks me, hey what is your situation with school like, or what is your situation of employment like. And I just say I don't know.I'm an asshole if you haven't noticed, and I think it is really starting to show now based on what I just said. I don't try to be an asshole, I just am. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615105/#p615105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @Zarvox, do you have an Independent Living center in your state?If not, there is the Carrol Center in MA that accepts people from all over the US, and there is also the Daytona Rehab Center in Florida but I'm not sure if they take people from out of state.But if you're part of your state's blind services agency, why not ask them about something like that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615098/#p615098 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Nolan, I'm honestly wondering if you're including me here.I try not to be too pushy about stuff like this, but psychology is sort of a specialty of mine. Comes with the territory (social work, mental health, etc). I don't know Zarvox or his dad nearly well enough to be 100% certain of anything, but I'm trying to get Zarvox to think about things, rather than just drawing seventy-four conclusions and putting him in a box. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615095/#p615095 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I stopped reading this thread a bit back, so maybe I should just STFU and bow out, but I'd really like to see a whole lot less armchair psychology and espousing of grand theories of humanity from this forum.A whole bunch of you need to stop telling others that their behavior indicates X, or that they have a pattern of Y, or... To be frank, most of you lack the life experience to make those kinds of statements to begin with. And if you *had* that life experience, you'd know better than to open your damned mouth about it, because you'd know there's about a million reasons for anyone to do anything, and just because someone doesn't see those all doesn't mean you have to school them on it. Also, this entire thread is ridiculous. I can literally pick any subgroup, point to some part of it, and make grand statements about how the behavior of that group is ruining it for the rest of us. Newsflash: not only has that been scientifically proven not to help, based on official studies published by the Instituticus Bullshiticus...but it really doesn't change any minds. If anyone reading your rant was inclined to do a damned thing differently, their own conscience would have stopped them. They wouldn't let the opinion of some random cheesewheel on some random internet forum change their behavior if they were the types to be influenced by a post like this.Seems this thread has gotten better, but man, what an unhealthy dumping ground of negativity that won't change anything. Ugh. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615092/#p615092 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Two things I want to say.The first is in a more official capacity. This thread seems to have gotten reasonably calm, and that's good...but the first twenty posts, give or take, had me convinced I was going to have to start dropping warnings. In hindsight, I probably still could, if I wanted to be a hardass...but I don't. Suffice it to say that if you can't get your point across without insulting or shouting or demeaning someone, maybe there's a problem there. Please don't spit on leniency. I like where this topic has gone - well, I appreciate it, in that it's no longer a dumpster fire - so let's just keep up with that.Now, to my second point.Something sorta jumped up and bit me when you were talking about your dad, Zarvox. I know people like him. People who might speak ill of others but will still help or enable them. People who want to show how much they love you by doing things for you. This is just how some people are wired. When you're blind and trying to assert yourself, this is toxic, but it might not be entirely intentional. From my admittedly distant perspective as an outsider, this is a really complicated position, and I think you might be putting the darkest spin on your relationship with your dad. No, I'm not suggesting you just hand-wave what he's doing and let it happen, or totally forget it. Not at all. But maybe there's some middle ground you haven't found yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615086/#p615086 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @ZarvoxOn the one hand yeah. On the other hand my dad was arrested for dragging me across the house and insert typical divorce stories and $1 was more money than I could have dreamed of having at your age, if I remember how old that is correctly. Or my uncle, who (despite being a programmer) is the reason my grandmother hasn't retired because he borrowed 6 figures and never paid it back. If we start family story time, half this site is going to have something that's roughly on where yours is. If nothing else you're not nearly so alone as you think you are. I don't talk about mine only because I know that everyone else on any thread in which I did so would just have an equally bad story or two. This idea that big happy families exist and are the normal thing is a myth. No, the norm is fucked up families that don't like each other very much.Remote/telephone/etc mental health stuff isn't just a thing, right now it's the biggest thing. You can probably find something along those lines if you call around. But frankly in your case it's time for the big guns and if I were you I'd be finding my nearest psychiatrist and being like "look, I need to be functional, I'm not functional right now, I don't care about the side effects, if I am functional I will be doing these 5 things to make my life better" or something like that. Also, for what it's worth your primary care may be willing to prescribe something.I have briefly alluded to my health stuff in the past but I used to spend anywhere from 4 to 8 hours a day in pain like you wouldn't believe. I'm now a successful programmer in Seattle. It took 6 or 7 years to get to the programmer part, and a couple years after that to get to the Seattle part, but if I ever go 6 months between jobs in future it'll probably because I chose to do so. You've figured out half the trying thing, namely that trying sucks. But the other half of the trying thing is that once you've succeeded the first time, you're done. By the second time people are just like "yep he's got references" or whatever and away you go. Not literally, but it sure isn't years between jobs.What you want to do isn't unreasonable, but even modest adult goals for sighted people take years. Adjust your timeline and your expectation and you'll be much happier.You can take all the parents etc. off your bank account with a simple trip to the bank and they won't know you've done it until they try to withdraw.One of the possible paths to happiness, or at least more happiness than otherwise is this: realize that looking up to people isn't what you should be doing, and look up to yourself instead. Thomas Edison was a ruthless businessman who ran competitors out of business and borderline stole intellectual property. The founders of the U.S. owned slaves. Whenever you look up to someone you will eventually find out why you shouldn't have. Sometimes, sometimes there is an exception and you meet someone who is just good. But those exceptions are stupidly rare.But, I still kind of stand by what I said about adulthood just sort of hitting you, as it does most of the sighted people. The world has taken away the forces that pushed you forward and abruptly shifted the timelines of anything from weeks to years out from under you. I don't think I personally know any adult who doesn't think at least a year ahead when they say "I know, how about I move across the country". My future personal programming projects are sort of planned out until 2022 or 2023 at this point, in the sense that I know that's the earliest point at which anything will come of them because I only have weekends or whatever to work on it. Your expectations are still those of a high school student. You're holding yourself to those expectations, then getting frustrated when they don't happen; instead, you need to change them. At least change them to the sorts of expectations a typical sighted adult would have of themselves, because seriously you're idea of the average blind person is actually the average sighted person and having a plan that might work to let you move across the country in a year or two is pretty damn good by any standard whatsoever whether it works or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615073/#p615073 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities also @79 suicide would be a very selfish act. I have lots of things that I could be doing, and I have opportunities that some or most blind people don't. But you have to remember that my personality disorder plays a huge role in my issues. And the answer to fixing the disorder, is by being productive and getting an adult life. So with all this problems making it hard to progress or even start becoming an adult, and my disorder crushing me because of it, that puts together the recipe for suicide. It's selfish, and I try not to be a selfish person. But it's too much for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615068/#p615068 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities yeah OK but again, it still doesn't matter because everywhere you go, blind people start crawling out of the woodwork and fuck it up. Jesus, it's easy to see if you look hard enough. Though I guess what amounts to a fuck up in this community isn't what I'd call fucking it up, being as I never socialized with blind kids. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615064/#p615064 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I don't even know if the way I described and you clarified things is the truth or if I just did terrible at explaining them. But I'll take the benefit of the doubt that the former is actually correct, instead of trying to backup the idea that I just didn't explain it well. That's a weak argument anyway.I'll respond to each point of your message to hopefully get the clearest picture across, and I need that clearest picture too.I'm mad that he is gone because I depend on him so much, and he always says he wants to spend time with me, but he can't do that if he is gone. I could tell him that, but it sounds like commonsense to me. I have the desire to improve skills and find employment and things, but I have lost my hope. So I just let him do everything for me.I'm mad that he is here because he does things for me, but that doesn't make it real help and he makes me uncomfortable with constant guilt trip. And believe me, I have tried talking to him about things. He will say he understands, but he doesn't. At best, he will only change his mindset about it 50% of the time, which I guess is better than 0. The thing about him is he is a flip flopper who doesn't have listening skills. How the hell do I work with someone like that? So yes, I would rather just have my own place where I don't have to deal with that crap. It's a love hate relationship, but I don't really hate him, I just hate his issues. But due to my hopelessness, I have just given up.I want to travel across the country with no skills. Yeah, I said that I'm an idiot. That's a stupid thing to do. I kind of can't do it anyway because I don't have anything for a resume. So that's not an option for awhile even if I want it to happen. It's a long term goal.It feels wrong being independent here, but I have the opportunity to practice. I could do cleaning and shit, but that wouldn't do any good if my dad just fucks everything up the next week. My state counselor reached out to an organization that provides them, but due to the virus, they can't come out to my house and help me with it. I was mainly going to focus on cooking with them. I tried asking a neighbor if they could teach me, and they said no. I could ask a few other neighbors, and that might get me somewhere. I can go to any place I want, any time I want. And no, my dad wanting to know where I am isn't a huge problem for me. I know why he does it. The problem is if I don't want to tell him. Which is rare. But when it does happen, he does his guilt trip thing. This happened when I started mental counseling a few months back, which has since stopped.So what the fuck am I thinking? This is my thought process.I am overwhelmed by adult life, and I have no sense of direction. I have the desire to get there, but no hope or motivation that I can get there. The only people who I can look up to for help is my dad and my state counselor, because my mother passed away when I was 12, my older brother was kicked out for being a dumbass, and my younger brother is living in a dorm in college.My dad doesn't know how to help himself, and my other brother has also expressed the same loss of direction because of this, so it isn't me who this is just affecting. And my dad says one thing, but does another, so I can't rely on him. However since I have no direction and no hope, that's exactly what I do.My state counselor is very slow, but very supportive. It turns out, it was someone else who they just now referred me too, that has the answers I am looking for. So maybe I can finally start getting somewhere, at least for getting out of the house and building volunteer experience for a resume.I think the reason why things aren't making sense is because I failed to mention how I feel in terms of my position in the family.Because I am blind, I am sheltered. And I have a weak voice. I can't stand up for myself. But even when I do, my dad says ok, let's do something about it. Of course nothing happens even when I remind him a thousand times. So back to square 1 with lost direction, can't rely on my dad, and losing hope. Not only does this make me not important to the family, but he doesn't tell me about everything he does, even though he always says, I want you to know everything that is going on. He didn't tell me that he bought another house. My younger brother had to tell me that. He didn't tell me that he was thinking of giving my older brother the new house, I found that out when we went to my older brother's son's birthday lunch. One part of me says I don't care what is going on, but the other half of me is angry that I am the only one who doesn't know what is happening. Even my younger brother who doesn't live here is up to date on things. If I ask about it, my dad and younger brother just say don't worry about it. If I ask my older brother, he will just ask for money. But my younger brother has a strong voice. He isn't afraid to confront dad
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I don't even know if the way I described and you clarified things is the truth or if I just did terrible at explaining them. But I'll take the benefit of the doubt that the former is actually correct, instead of trying to backup the idea that I just didn't explain it well. That's a weak argument anyway.I'll respond to each point of your message to hopefully get the clearest picture across, and I need that clearest picture too.I'm mad that he is gone because I depend on him so much, and he always says he wants to spend time with me, but he can't do that if he is gone. I could tell him that, but it sounds like commonsense to me. I have the desire to improve skills and find employment and things, but I have lost my hope. So I just let him do everything for me.I'm mad that he is here because he does things for me, but that doesn't make it real help and he makes me uncomfortable with constant guilt trip. And believe me, I have tried talking to him about things. He will say he understands, but he doesn't. At best, he will only change his mindset about it 50% of the time, which I guess is better than 0. The thing about him is he is a flip flopper who doesn't have listening skills. How the hell do I work with someone like that? So yes, I would rather just have my own place where I don't have to deal with that crap. It's a love hate relationship, but I don't really hate him, I just hate his issues. But due to my hopelessness, I have just given up.I want to travel across the country with no skills. Yeah, I said that I'm an idiot. That's a stupid thing to do. I kind of can't do it anyway because I don't have anything for a resume. So that's not an option for awhile even if I want it to happen. It's a long term goal.It feels wrong being independent here, but I have the opportunity to practice. I could do cleaning and shit, but that wouldn't do any good if my dad just fucks everything up the next week. My state counselor reached out to an organization that provides them, but due to the virus, they can't come out to my house and help me with it. I was mainly going to focus on cooking with them. I tried asking a neighbor if they could teach me, and they said no. I could ask a few other neighbors, and that might get me somewhere. I can go to any place I want, any time I want. And no, my dad wanting to know where I am isn't a huge problem for me. I know why he does it. The problem is if I don't want to tell him. Which is rare. But when it does happen, he does his guilt trip thing. This happened when I started mental counseling a few months back, which has since stopped.So what the fuck am I thinking? This is my thought process.I am overwhelmed by adult life, and I have no sense of direction. I have the desire to get there, but no hope or motivation that I can get there. The only people who I can look up to for help is my dad and my state counselor, because my mother passed away when I was 12, my older brother was kicked out for being a dumbass, and my younger brother is living in a dorm in college.My dad doesn't know how to help himself, and my other brother has also expressed the same loss of direction because of this, so it isn't me who this is just affecting. And my dad says one thing, but does another, so I can't rely on him. However since I have no direction and no hope, that's exactly what I do.My state counselor is very slow, but very supportive. It turns out, it was someone else who they just now referred me too, that has the answers I am looking for. So maybe I can finally start getting somewhere, at least for getting out of the house and building volunteer experience for a resume.I think the reason why things aren't making sense is because I failed to mention how I feel in terms of my position in the family.Because I am blind, I am sheltered. And I have a weak voice. I can't stand up for myself. But even when I do, my dad says ok, let's do something about it. Of course nothing happens even when I remind him a thousand times. So back to square 1 with lost direction, can't rely on my dad, and losing hope. Not only does this make me not important to the family, but he doesn't tell me about everything he does, even though he always says, I want you to know everything that is going on. He didn't tell me that he bought another house. My younger brother had to tell me that. He didn't tell me that he was thinking of giving my older brother the new house, I found that out when we went to my older brother's son's birthday lunch. One part of me says I don't care what is going on, but the other half of me is angry that I am the only one who doesn't know what is happening. Even my younger brother who doesn't live here is up to date on things. If I ask about it, my dad and younger brother just say don't worry about it. If I ask my older brother, he will just ask for money. But my younger brother has a strong voice. He isn't afraid to confront dad
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @82,Except that you based your rant on what amounts to cultural misunderstanding, not blindness. You're claiming that the event in question occurred because of a lack of sight, and the associated behaviors that go along with that. I'm suggesting that in this particular case, you are looking at the situation incorrectly. Unless your claim is that if London had not been blind, he would not have used the word cunt, I fail to see how you can attribute this to blindness. And I just can't get there. I know plenty of sighted people who have used the word "cunt." Moreover, look at it like this. On a personal level, I have more of an issue with the word "God damn" than I do cunt. Should I ascribe your repeated use of that particular phrase in your original post to the fact that you're blind? Of course not. It had nothing to do with a lack of sight, and everything to do with the fact that you were rip-roaring pissed. And that's my point. London's telling the other guy not to be such a cunt had nothing to do with a lack of sight, and everything to do with his desire to stand up for someone else, and the cultural differences between America and most of the rest of the world. That's not "blindie behavior." It's more like human behavior. A sighted person could have just as easily done the same thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615060/#p615060 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I don't even know if the way I described and you clarified things is the truth or if I just did terrible at explaining them. But I'll take the benefit of the doubt that the former is actually correct, instead of trying to backup the idea that I just didn't explain it well. That's a weak argument anyway.I'll respond to each point of your message to hopefully get the clearest picture across, and I need that clearest picture too.I'm mad that he is gone because I depend on him so much, and he always says he wants to spend time with me, but he can't do that if he is gone. I could tell him that, but it sounds like commonsense to me. I have the desire to improve skills and find employment and things, but I have lost my hope. So I just let him do everything for me.I'm mad that he is here because he does things for me, but that doesn't make it real help and he makes me uncomfortable with constant guilt trip. And believe me, I have tried talking to him about things. He will say he understands, but he doesn't. At best, he will only change his mindset about it 50% of the time, which I guess is better than 0. The thing about him is he is a flip flopper who doesn't have listening skills. How the hell do I work with someone like that? So yes, I would rather just have my own place where I don't have to deal with that crap. It's a love hate relationship, but I don't really hate him, I just hate his issues. But due to my hopelessness, I have just given up.I want to travel across the country with no skills. Yeah, I said that I'm an idiot. That's a stupid thing to do. I kind of can't do it anyway because I don't have anything for a resume. So that's not an option for awhile even if I want it to happen. It's a long term goal.It feels wrong being independent here, but I have the opportunity to practice. I could do cleaning and shit, but that wouldn't do any good if my dad just fucks everything up the next week. My state counselor reached out to an organization that provides them, but due to the virus, they can't come out to my house and help me with it. I was mainly going to focus on cooking with them. I tried asking a neighbor if they could teach me, and they said no. I could ask a few other neighbors, and that might get me somewhere. I can go to any place I want, any time I want. And no, my dad wanting to know where I am isn't a huge problem for me. I know why he does it. The problem is if I don't want to tell him. Which is rare. But when it does happen, he does his guilt trip thing. This happened when I started mental counseling a few months back.So what the fuck am I thinking? This is my thought process.I am overwhelmed by adult life, and I have no sense of direction. I have the desire to get there, but no hope or motivation that I can get there. The only people who I can look up to for help is my dad and my state counselor, because my mother passed away when I was 12, my older brother was kicked out for being a dumbass, and my younger brother is living in a dorm in college.My dad doesn't know how to help himself, and my other brother has also expressed the same loss of direction because of this, so it isn't me who this is just affecting. And my dad says one thing, but does another, so I can't rely on him. However since I have no direction and no hope, that's exactly what I do.My state counselor is very slow, but very supportive. It turns out, it was someone else who they just now referred me too, that has the answers I am looking for.I think the reason why things aren't making sense is because I failed to mention how I feel in terms of my position in the family.Because I am blind, I am sheltered. And I have a weak voice. I can't stand up for myself. But even when i do, my dad says ok, let's do something about it. Of course nothing happens even when I remind him a thousand times. So back to square 1 with lost direction, can't reply on my dad, and losing hope. Not only does this make me not important to the family, but he doesn't tell me about everything he does. He didn't tell me that he bought another house. My younger brother had to tell me that. He didn't tell me that he was contacted my older brother about giving the house ot him, I found that out when we went to my older brother's son's birthday lunch. One part of me says I don't care what is going on, but the other half of me is angry that I am the only one who doesn't know what is happening. Even my younger brother who doesn't live here is up to date on things. If I ask about it, my dad just says don't worry about it. But my younger brother has a strong voice. He isn't afraid to confront dad about things. I am.My dad has said for well over 2 years that he won't help my older brother anymore, but he keeps enabling him. He still contacts him, does things for him, lends him money, hints where the 1000 he owes me comes from. Oh btw he didn't tell me about that either. I only found out
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities What exactly is it that we're seeing more often? I'd have to have specific examples in order to understand what frustrates you so much.I think you might have heard this argument 1 million times too, as a person who seem to be having the "blind people bad" attitude - but this is far from a blind people thing. Toxic behaviour seem to be extremely prevalent in many gamer communities - so if your focus was more on gamers I'd probably engage with you more and discuss the finer points. As it stands I'd need more examples of this that do not exactly pertain to the gaming side of the community. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615057/#p615057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I have edited post 1 to take the reference out.No, it is a big deal, dismiss me all you like, I really don't care. Call me stupid, childish, immature, a fuck bag, a piece of shit, whatever, but don't dismiss the points made here because it is becoming a big deal. It's causing an impact that is felt whenever too many blind people escape out into the real world and start acting entitled and shitty. Would my original post be overkill if this were the first time, oh hell yes, but I don't feel that it is given that we see things like this happen more and more often. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615048/#p615048 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Lord London agreed with that, I was mainly pointing it out to the person who said he never went into what happened URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615045/#p615045 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @74,This is why facts are good things, and why I was asking for them. It was not, as you so eloquently claimed in post 72, to, "get my little jollies off on it." It was because, as is so often the case, the revelation of more of the facts in a situation tends to shed light on what really happened and lead to at least a pretty good understanding of what is most likely the truth. Here, after more facts have been revealed, I believe that in this particular case your emotions were slightly overexaggerated to what the situation called for. I can attest to the fact that @75's claim regarding culture is true. In America, we believe for some reason that "cunt" is the most vile epithet imaginable. The fact is, most of the rest of the world sees it as a much milder thing, on par with "ass" or possibly "shithead." It isn't all that uncommon, I don't think, for even inanimate objects like cars, toasters, etc., to be referred to as "cunts" when they don't work right in other parts of the world. One of my friends once said that they had a "cunt" of a day. Only in America are we so averse to the word.That being the case, it would seem to me that your original post sort of blew out of proportion something that, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't exactly all that big of a deal. Especially if what @75 is saying is true, that his intention was to stand up for someone he felt was being demeaned or in some way insulted. If that's true, then that certainly doesn't seem to fall within the "blindie behavior" category that you've attempted to articulate. I have known people with sight who would, and have, done the very same thing. Standing up for others isn't unique to the blind community, or to any other, for that matter. And there are times that one person standing up for another does so in a fashion that isn't necessarily the best. But let's not ascribe things to being blind that aren't actually a result of lack of sight. We have enough issues that are actually true. We don't need to be inventing more of them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615042/#p615042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @74,This is why facts are good things, and why I was asking for them. It was not, as you so eloquently claimed in post 72, to, "get my little jollies off on it." It was because, as is so often the case, the revelation of more of the facts in a situation tends to shed light on what really happened and lead to at least a pretty good understanding of what is most likely the truth. Here, after more facts have been revealed, I believe that in this particular case your emotions were slightly overexaggerated to what the situation called for. I can attest to the fact that @75's claim regarding culture is true. In America, we believe for some reason that "cunt" is the most vile epithet imaginable. The fact is, most of the rest of the world sees it as a much milder thing, on par with "ass" or possibly "shithead." It isn't all that uncommon, I don't think, for even inanimate objects like cars, toasters, etc., to be referred to as "cunts" when they don't work right in other parts of the world. One of my friends once said that they had a "cunt" of a day. Only in America are we so averse to the word.That being the case, it would seem to me that your original post sort of blew out of proportion something that, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't exactly all that big of a deal. Especially if what @75 is saying is true, that his intention was to stand up for someone he felt was being demeaned or in some way insulted. If that's true, then that certainly doesn't seem to fall within the "blindie behavior" category that you've attempted to articulate. I have known people with sight who would, and have, done the very same thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615042/#p615042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @74,This is why facts are good things, and why I was asking for them. It was not, as you so eloquently claimed in post 72, to, "get my little jollies off on it." It was because, as is so often the case, the revelation of more of the facts in a situation tends to shed light on what really happened and lead to at least a pretty good understanding of what is most likely the truth. Here, after more facts have been revealed, I believe that in this particular case your emotions were slightly overexaggerated to what the situation called for. I can attest to the fact that @75's claim regarding culture is true. In America, we believe for some reason that "cunt" is the most vile epithet imaginable. The fact is, most of the rest of the world sees it as a much milder thing, on par with "ass" or possibly "shithead." It isn't all that uncommon, I don't think, for even inanimate objects like cars, toasters, etc., to be referred to as "cunts" when they don't work right in other parts of the world. One of my friends once said that they had a "cunt" of a day. Only in America are we so averse to the word.That being the case, it would seem to me that your original post sort of blew out of proportion something that, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't exactly all that big of a deal. Especially if what @75 is saying is true, that his intention was to stand up for someone he felt was being demeaned or in some way insulted. If that's true, then that certainly doesn't seem to fall within the "blindie behavior" category that you've attempted to articulate. I have known people iwth sight who would, and have, done the very same thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615042/#p615042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @69I'm not really sure what to make of what you're saying. You're mad that he's not around a lot, while also mad that he's around a lot. You want to go across the country with few to no independent living skills because being independent there "feels wrong", but you apparently have the opportunity to practice where you are. So, without trying to demean your personal experience, what the fuck are you thinking? Because it sounds like you're roughly saying you want to go skydiving but nevermind the skydiving classes because you don't like the friend who drives you there, so instead you're going to just go jump out of the plane without any idea what you're doing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can/do even leave the house on your own with Uber or whatever, and the only thing he really does is wants to know where you are? I'm sure he's overbearing, maybe even emotionally manipulative, but don't you realize that most parents of blind people wouldn't ever let their blind "kid" who's actually over 18 leave the house because o my god what if something goes wrong?Like, on the one hand family situations can fuck you up, but on the other hand this is a really irresponsible sort of thought process and everything I've seen leads me to believe that while you have issues they're not bad enough that you should be thinking like this.Also, a hard truth of the world is that if you're disabled you'll be someone's inspiration. Your dad sounds bad except that you've decided to take the worst possible interpretation of your situation and treat it as truth, so maybe you should consider that maybe you're already doing more than you think? My parents did that kind of thing some, but frankly "is in mainstream high school" is a huge accomplishment by the standards of what most blind people can manage. But it doesn't matter. Whether people are saying it or not, if you become even slightly impressive people will look at you like that, and whatever friend circle you're in--even if it's the best imaginable for blind people--will always consider you a bit, I guess otherworldly or something. We don't really have a good word for it.But seriously, separate what parts of this are your mental health and what parts are objective truth and work from there. You really don't seem to have done that step. What I'm hearing is "I'm in a shitty situation right now, but I have enough freedom and opportunities that I could build something from it, and the beginning of a plan to get somewhere better. Instead, I've decided that being blind is the end of the world, have tied my entire identity to it, and if I can't make the entire rest of the planet take me seriously I'll kill myself". If you can't reason yourself out of that hole, get serious help, but you should be able to do so simply by actively looking for reasons why it's not as bad as all that, seeking out blind people who aren't miserable all the time, and so on. Yeah, depression can eat up all your energy but if you have time to post on here you have 5 minutes a day to spend on finding one thing that's not as bad as you think, or to try to find a new twitter account that's pretty positive to follow, or whatever. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615034/#p615034 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I did in fact read it, but ... do you expect everyone, at all times to read everything in every post ... it is up to the original poster to present things clearly ... no one should have to go looking to find the explaination. If people want more info, you edit the original post and make a new post where you also share this info. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615030/#p615030 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Lol, honestly the fact some of y'all missed post 21 then my quoting of it shows how much y'all take the time to read topics fully URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615029/#p615029 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Blue-Eyed Demon via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities The original posting here is perhaps one of the most satisfying things I have read in quite some time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615021/#p615021 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I think I over exaggerated that. He is still home a lot, but on the days he does leave, it is pretty much for the rest of the day. Sometimes he leaves at 8, sometimes at 11, sometimes at 2, it's random each day. Sometimes he doesn't leave at all. So I over exaggerated that. I could technically be buying my own groceries and popping them into the microwave or learning how to use the smaller oven. So yes some of this is my fault. But being independent in this house feels wrong to me. I think because I would then be taking care of the house instead of my dad. Also I am uncomfortable being independent here because my dad is the type of person to give praise over the smallest things. He tells me, I brag about you all the time to other people. For what? I don't do jack shit, there is nothing to brag about. I actually asked and said that to him. I don't remember what his response was, but it doesn't matter because you can't change his mind about anything. My dad has several problems with logical thinking, that just puts the icing on the cake. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615003/#p615003 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Right, cultural difference, which is super weird.In American: don't be a cunt = don't be such a garbage fucking human oxygen thief and kill yourself.In brittish and australian and plenty other cultures that speak english as secondary: don't be a cunt = don't be such an ass.Still, I think you can see why I don't appreciate being name dropped over a simple cultural misunderstanding.That being said you do bring up valid opinions. I probably disagree with them, if I'm so inclined I might go back and actually read properly since I was just skimming through.I was gonna ask you to change post 1, but then realized I'd just come across as a winy bitch myself, but I'd really like it if you added an edit or something about the situation to clarify what actually happened.Have a fantastic evening, sir. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615017/#p615017 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities The blind guy talking was talking nonsense. I agree with you that the dude went a little too far and got kinda shitty with him, but you took it to the next level by calling him a cunt. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615010/#p615010 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Well if you're going to use me as an example, make sure that the behaviour presented was the kind you were bitching about. I stood up for someone. I realized in hindsight that cunt is way more rude in the US than in the rest of the world but my intentions were good. I disagreed about how the admin was handling that, but this was just the straw that broke the camels back due to previous experiences in game, so I left.Trust me, I keep saying and doing aweful shit on a daily, but this was certainly not one of them. post 1 is francly stupid.Edit:To explain in detail what happened, I was scrolling through the chat on Awakeneds Discord to see if I'd missed anything important.Someone was asking a question in broken english, but was being polite about it if I recall correctly, at least no personal attacks, just expressed frustration. Someone else commented and asked if the poster and I quote "was that in english?" - it was broken but clearly understandable. I mentioned this user and told him not to be a cunt.Hours later the admin mentions me and the person I scolded and warned us for our behaviour. I told him, in a respectable fascion, that I was only standing up for another user and that nothing was started because no drama unfolded for it.Because of his response, I left - although I was due to anyway. Cunt is too much in a game where you murder prostitutes for fun and witness grusome torture? I don't agree with that - so I left. I only said nice, which sure that was snarky - hardly a blindy thing as my experience playing countless muds and taking part of different communities will tell me. I then left. No drama started, and here this angry person is making valid points. He's an anti-hero it seems, because I've noticed a trend in this community. If you bitch about blind people, it makes you ... not necessarily popular, but people are going to show their support no matter how dumb your way of expressing an opinion might seem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615008/#p615008 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Well if you're going to use me as an example, make sure that the behaviour presented was the kind you were bitching about. I stood up for someone. I realized in hindsight that cunt is way more rude in the US than in the rest of the world but my intentions were good. I disagreed about how the admin was handling that, but this was just the straw that broke the camels back due to previous experiences in game, so I left.Trust me, I keep saying and doing aweful shit on a daily, but this was certainly not one of them. post 1 is francly stupid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615008/#p615008 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Well if you're going to use me as an example, make sure that the behaviour presented was the kind you were bitching about. I stood up for someone. I realized in hindsight that cunt is way more rude in the US than in the rest of the world.Trust me, I keep saying and doing aweful shit on a daily, but this was certainly not one of them. post 1 is francly stupid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615008/#p615008 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : LordLundin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Started shit? Lolz ... I told someone to not be a cunt when he was making fun of someone for not speaking english, then I disagreed with the admin, politely, and then left the server. There were prier insidents before this. Fact check before you accuse people for fucks sake, because you look like a crybaby. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615006/#p615006 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Everyone who is saying how I haven't elaborated on what happened, first of all, I did in post 21. Secondly, it doesn't matter what happened, it matters that shit keeps happening. The only reason people want to know is so they can get their little jollies off on it.No elaboration beyond what I said in post 21 is needed, and none shall be forthcoming. My entire point is that blind people acting stupid fucks us all. You don't need the specifics to understand that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615007/#p615007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I'm still unclear about what exactly caused the original rant in the first place, and it appears as though we're never going to get the actual facts of what occurred from the original poster. What I will say is this. To me, it seems that a large part of the problem is the education system. Let's just be honest. In this country, education has sharply declined in value and in quality over the last 30 years or so, and if you need any evidence to support that claim, look at how many blind people can't spell basic words after graduating high school, or get their subjects and verbs to agree to put together a decent sentence. And I'm not talking about those who are ESL. I'm talking about 100% Americans, who speak English as their primary language. I am utterly amazed at the low level of literacy of the blind. I myself am 100% blind. I started reading Braille at the age of 3, and I did so every day of my life for the next 27 years or so. And you know what? I can actually spell words correctly. Moreover, not only can I do it, I am in a profession that requires it. There are those that would say that is somehow amazing, citing Braille as the reason that blind people don't spell worth a damn. That's crap. It's not Braille. It's the entire educational system. I graduated in 1997, and since then I've seen things get progressively worse. My point is, bad education is partly to blame for whatever behavior the original poster was referencing that he still hasn't elaborated on, and apparently never will. Now, when you add overprotective parents who shelter their children to the point of lunacy, or in the alternative, parents who abuse their children either directly because of their disability, or simply because they can get away with it by its very nature, to the quagmire that is our educational system, you have a recipe for disaster. Poor education leads to poor communication skills, and those two deficiencies lead to poor social skills, which makes for a nasty, caustic brew. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615004/#p615004 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I'm still unclear about what exactly caused the original rant in the first place, and it appears as though we're never going to get the actual facts of what occurred from the original poster. What I will say is this. To me, it seems that a large part of the problem is the education system. Let's just be honest. In this country, education has sharply declined in value and in quality over the last 30 years or so, and if you need any evidence to support that claim, look at how many blind people can't spell basic words after graduating high school, or get their subjects and verbs to agree to put together a decent sentence. And I'm not talking about those who are ESL. I'm talking about 100% Americans, who speak English as their primary language. I am utterly amazed at the low level of literacy of the blind. I myself am 100% blind. I started reading Braille at the age of 3, and I did so every day of my life for the next 27 years or so. And you know what? I can actually spell words correctly. Moreover, not only can I do it, I am in a profession that requires it. There are those that would say that is somehow amazing, citing Braille as the reason that blind people don't spell worth a damn. That's crap. It's not Braille. It's the entire educational system. I graduated in 1997, and since then I've seen things get progressively worse. My point is, bad education is partly to blame for whatever behavior the original poster was referencing that he still hasn't elaborated on, and apparently never will. Now, when you add overprotective parents who shelter their children to the point of lunacy, or in the alternative, parents who abuse their children either directly because of their disability, or simply because they can get away with it by its very nature, to the quagmire that is our educational system, you have a recipe for disaster. Poor education, poor communication, and poor social skills as a result of the first two make for a nasty, caustic brew. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615004/#p615004 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities I think I over exaggerated that. He is still home a lot, but on the days he does leave, it is pretty much for the rest of the day. Sometimes he leaves at 8, sometimes at 11, sometimes at 2, it's random each day. Sometimes he doesn't leave at all. So I over exaggerated that. I could technically be buying my own groceries and popping them into the microwave or learning how to use the smaller oven. So yes some of this is my fault. But being independent in this house feels wrong to me. Ithink because I would then be taking care of the house instead of my dad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615003/#p615003 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities No I'm not in debt, actually he owes me 1 dollars, but that's a whole other topic. I have emotionally detached myself from him enough to where him missing me if I killed myself, doesn't hold me back. But I do want to pay him back by spending more time with him. But the reason I don't do that, is exactly the reason that I am still here. Because I don't have the skills yet to move and be stable. I would like to be able to live in my own place and meet up with him like once or twice a week. He is already gone a lot of the time, but it doesn't feel the same way when I spend time with him now, as it would in the above scenario. I could consider asking if I can live in this house alone and he can live in the other house so that I can practice independence, but this house is where all of his disorganized shit is. Not to mention it is super old, and every time I walk into my room, my mindset goes from positive to negative immediately. I call it an atmosphere. When you walk into a place that instantly changes your mindset.The problem with living in this house vs an apartment is that I already know the people here, and none of them are social, and they are super old. In an apartment complex, you have a wider age range, and more people may visit the areas aronudn you.So should I ask about living independently in this house? It's worth a try, and probably the best course of action for me. I don't have to pay rent, I won't have to deal with my dad complaining or guilt tripping about I don't love him because I asked to be independent, and I already know this area a little bit.I don't want to move to the other house, because my dad is still "managing it" whatever that means, and I've heard stories about that house that make me question the sanitary conditions. So I'd rather stay here where things are so old and fucked up, they are broken. Well on second thought, if that house gets better... nah I still think I prefer here.This probably won't happen because this house still has all of his stuff. But for the amount of time he is spending over there, he might as well just live there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614999/#p614999 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @67If dad isn't around much why doesn't it count as independent but with training wheels/a safety net? What's the difference between him being around very rarely and him not being around at all?Unless you get into something like a co-op you'll find that being in an apartment building doesn't mean getting to know your neighbors; if you want to get to know people, you have to go out and make an effort. Look at meetup.com for example, see if anything around you looks interesting. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/615002/#p615002 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities No I'm not in debt, actually he owes me 1 dollars, but that's a whole other topic. But I do want to pay him back by spending more time with him. But the reason I don't do that, is exactly the reason that I am still here. Because I don't have the skills yet to move and be stable. I would like to be able to live in my own place and meet up with him like once or twice a week. He is already gone a lot of the time, but it doesn't feel the same way when I spend time with him now, as it would in the above scenario. I could consider asking if I can live in this house alone and he can live in the other house so that I can practice independence, but this house is where all of his disorganized shit is. Not to mention it is super old, and every time I walk into my room, my mindset goes from positive to negative immediately. I call it an atmosphere. When you walk into a place that instantly changes your mindset.The problem with living in this house vs an apartment is that I already know the people here, and none of them are social, and they are super old. In an apartment complex, you have a wider age range, and more people may visit the areas aronudn you.So should I ask about living independently in this house? It's worth a try, and probably the best course of action for me. I don't have to pay rent, I won't have to deal with my dad complaining or guilt tripping about I don't love him because I asked to be independent, and I already know this area a little bit.I don't want to move to the other house, because my dad is still "managing it" whatever that means, and I've heard stories about that house that make me question the sanitary conditions. So I'd rather stay here where things are so old and fucked up, they are broken. Well on second thought, if that house gets better... nah I still think I prefer here.This probably won't happen because this house still has all of his stuff. But for the amount of time he is spending over there, he might as well just live there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614999/#p614999 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities No I'm not in debt, actually he owes me 1 dollars, but that's a whole other topic. But I do want to pay him back by spending more time with him. But the reason I don't do that, is exactly the reason that I am still here. Because I don't have the skills yet to move and be stable. I would like to be able to live i my own place and meet up with him like once or twice a week. He is already gone a lot of the time, but it doesn't feel the same way when I spend time with him now, as it would i the abvoe scenario. I could cosider asking if I can live in this house alone and he can live in the other house so that I can practice independence, but this house is where all of his disorgaized shit is. Not to mention it is super old, and every time I walk into my room, my mindset goes from positive to negative imeediately. I call it an atmosphere. When you walk into a place that istantly changes your mindset.The problem with living in this house vs an apartment is that I already know the people here, and none of them are social, and they are super old. In an apartment complex, you have a wider age range, and more people may visit the areas aroudn you.So should I ask about living idependently in this house? It's worth a try, and probably the best course of action for me. I don't have to pay rent, I won't have to deal with my dad thinking I don't love him because I asked to be independent, and I already know this area a little bit.I don't want to move to the other house, because my dad is still "managing it" whatever that means, and I've heard stories about that house that make me question the sanitary conditions. So I'd rather stay here where things are so old and fucked up, they are broken. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614999/#p614999 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Ok so before I even say anything here, I'd just like to preffis this by saying that I've had a pretty abusive family life. It's possible things aren't actually as bad as they look to me right now, but my parents always used to play similar mind games with me, and while I'm currently in somewhat unstable housing, living in a place nowhere as nice as the place I recently left, I'm oh so much happier for it.What your dad is doing to you right now isn't love. It's debilitating, life destroying manipulation. Don't get into this trap of thinking that because your family provide you with basic necessities that you instantly oh them some sort of debt. You don't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614927/#p614927 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : r-d-productions via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities Totally agree with post 1. The way most blind people act these days is just, wow. For example, I was going to a new school about 2 years ago, keep in mind that I'm in 8th grade, but anyway I was going into this new school. And I was beeing treeted like someone who needed help with evrything. Well I looked into it and apparently there was a few other blind students that had gone there, and according to this other student, the kid was getting into fights, and being disruptive in class. The kid also needed help with about evrything, so I'm getting treated like a handycapt person for about this hole school year. Until my mom put a stop to it in the second year, just goes to show how small some blind people act. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614897/#p614897 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @62I wouldn't be so bleak as that. He definitely needs skills but you'd be surprised how much stuff can be successfully acquired by trial by fire.Benefits are a definite requirement, but if he can be stable somewhere for 6 months on his own he can probably figure out e.g. basic cooking because there's nothing like "do this or starve" as a motivator if you're in the position of needing to replace confidence in yourself with something else. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614896/#p614896 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @60, I seriously need to change this signature, don't I? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614890/#p614890 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @Zarvox Sink or swim, fine, but you've got a lead weight tied around your foot right now. So you get there with no job, they won't give you benefits there ahead of time because you don't live there. No job, no money, no renter's history, no apartment, no credit... see where this is going? You'll find your ass on the street so fast, your head will spin around in a complete circle. It would be the height of stupidity to do what you're talking about doing in your current situation.So you're on the street. Do you think you can hack it? I mean there have definitely been plenty of blind people who have, but I seriously don't see you as one of them. So now what, you call up daddy and say can you please bring me home? He does, and now he's spending money that he probably doesn't have to either fly or drive halfway across the country and come get you, or to wire you money in hopes that you can book yourself a ticket home.If this is something you want, you have to do so much planning to make it work. Get benefits where you live and start saving up. You'll probably need a mover / shipper. Even if you only want to take what you can carry with you, then you'll need something as far as basic furnishings. Oh sure you can slum it by sleeping on the floor, but you don't think apartments come fully furnished, do you? Some do of course, but that's generally for the wealthy. You'll get a fridge and a stove with oven either like a range or a wall oven. You'll have a sink and possibly a dish washer, you'll have a bathroom sink, shower / tub but that's about it.Some places allow you to rent a washer / dryer, and some have a laundry facility with coin-op machines on site. So you'd be living rough for a while unless you can scrape at least some money together. But that's not even counting your lack of skills.You can't cook, OK but at least for the basics, that's easily solvable. Buy some bump dots and get someone to put them on your microwave in a way that makes sense to you. Someone will have to show you how microwaves work too. There are some presets, I would avoid them. I always put in my own times for things. You could honestly get away with numbers and the +30 button, but I always enter my times and sometimes do them in stages with the power level button depending on what I'm making. Get an app like seeing AI or envision AI, or something that scans barcodes. You'll find instructions on your cans of soup and stuff.These things aren't hard but you do need to know them before you can reasonably expect to live on your own.Another angle to consider is that if your father loves you so much, why didn't he teach you these things until now. He just let you enter into adulthood with no concept of how to do anything. I get that you used to be sighted, but seriously, he should have made sure you got into some sort of program. That's his job, and he didn't do it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614889/#p614889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities
2021-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I need to rant at you about your behavior in mainstream communities @56Going around saying any game can be made accessible while grossly misspelling accessible is one of the things that gives us a bad name. There's nothing like asking for the impossible using a "I can't spell anything" soup to get your point across if you want sighted devs to take us seriously. Grossly misspelled grand aspirational statements that reveal a lack of understanding of the world are one of the things that makes me not want to point sighted people here.Some games can be made accessible. It would be nice if more were. But go try to beat Dark Souls with no vision. I'll wait. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614885/#p614885 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
