Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-04 Thread Mnyb
drmatt wrote: > Lol, close, bit that only simulates the flaws, not the "enhancement"... > :) Are they not the same thing :) wonder if it does the phase faults and almost mono bass and high channel crosstalk to ? I did have a Breuer arm and some Ortofon MC30 back when , so it sound was nice if I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-04 Thread drmatt
Julf wrote: > 'iZotope Vinyl' > (https://www.izotope.com/en/products/create-and-design/vinyl.html) Lol, close, bit that only simulates the flaws, not the "enhancement"... :) drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-04 Thread Julf
drmatt wrote: > Totally. And if someone created the DSP program I mentioned earlier and > it was an option on your DAC I think a lot of people would suddenly > realise it's nothing more than a /fluke/ that the distortion commonly > inherent in LP playback is something that people /like/. 'iZotop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread drmatt
Totally. And if someone created the DSP program I mentioned earlier and it was an option on your DAC I think a lot of people would suddenly realise it's nothing more than a /fluke/ that the distortion commonly inherent in LP playback is something that people /like/. (And it may well be that it's r

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread mlsstl
cliveb wrote: > Sorry, but what you have just said doesn't make sense. > > The fact that a faithful digital recording of an LP sounds exactly the > same as the LP is no surprise. > > But comparing a digital recording of an LP to the LP is not the same as > comparing a commercial CD release to t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > Are you sure? It is my understanding that vinyl can't, because of > mechanical limitations, take the kind of extreme loudness you see on > modern CD's. And for vinyl, lower frequencies are usually merged into a > mono signal for vinyl. I think they try anyway , lower the maximum ou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread Julf
cliveb wrote: > There's a widely held belief that LPs are cut from different masters > than CDs (and that the LP master is somehow superior, eg. less dynamic > range compression). While this is true in some cases, a large proportion > of modern LP releases are cut from exactly the same hypercompr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread cliveb
mlsstl wrote: > Back-to-back and level-matched, I never could tell the difference > between direct playback of the LP and the unedited digital copy. To me, > that says that the commonly ascribed differences between the LP and > commercial CD releases has far more to do with processing/mastering >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread mlsstl
Unfortunately, today's business model of audiophilia consists of selling "new and improved" gadgets to an ever-dwindling base of aging boomers. That pretty much guarantees a constant flow of gimmicks, variations on already threadbare themes, and gear based on un-thawed theories (forget half-baked!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-03 Thread Mnyb
mlsstl wrote: > Over a 10 year period I transferred about 2,000 LPs to CD/44.1K digital > format (which I finished 2 or 3 years ago -- now just doing the odd > album here and there). Back-to-back and level-matched, I never could > tell the difference between direct playback of the LP and the uned

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread mlsstl
Over a 10 year period I transferred about 2,000 LPs to CD/44.1K digital format (which I finished 2 or 3 years ago -- now just doing the odd album here and there). Back-to-back and level-matched, I never could tell the difference between direct playback of the LP and the unedited digital copy. To m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread drmatt
Oink oink flap flap... ;) drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106560 ___ au

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread edwardthern
drmatt wrote: > I know this was a troll, but jeez did you see the traces off that vinyl? > They were way different from the master. Digital is a lossless method of > getting any signal from point a to point b, only to let it be mangled by > the following analogue chain again.. If the digital play

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread drmatt
edwardthern wrote: > Of course live is best followed by vinyl Digital anything is never > as good as analog. And nothing is as good as live. > > But we all are just a simulation as none of this is real anyway I know this was a troll, but jeez did you see the traces off that vinyl? They were

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread Julf
edwardthern wrote: > Digital anything is never as good as analog. I assume that was posted from an analog computer. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread edwardthern
d6jg wrote: > http://productionadvice.co.uk/its-not-the-format/ Of course live is best followed by vinyl Digital anything is never as good as analog. And nothing is as good as live. But we all are just a simulation as none of this is real anyway ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread Julf
cliveb wrote: > The incompetent mastering we've been subjected to for the last 20 or so > years has taught a whole generation of artists and producers that music > is supposed to sound like that. Unfortunately not just artists and producers, but music buyers too. "To try to judge the real fro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread cliveb
drmatt wrote: > Actually scrub that, I'd be OK if everyone just agreed to stop mastering > digital music to the compression death zone once and for all, > apologised, and went back and remastered all that great music that has > been rendered unlistenable. Unfortunately that isn't going to be poss

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread drmatt
Isn't it time that someone wrote a DSP module that emulates the dynamic expansion, or inertial "ringing" that seems to be behind the "great sound" of records..? Actually scrub that, I'd be OK if everyone just agreed to stop mastering digital music to the compression death zone once and for all, a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-02 Thread Fizbin
arnyk wrote: > Ever hear of listener bias? It is likely that you like the sound of > vinyl because you like the sound of vinyl, pure and simple. Nothing > wrong with that, but it makes no sense to try to give cosmic meaning to > one's personal preferences. I hate vinyl...I don't even collect i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-01 Thread Mnyb
Preferences are what they are enjoy :) It quite diffrent than invoke magic and try to argue that vinyl is somehow better objektively . Especiallly when you can record vinyl digitally and it retails all its properties ? Main

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-01 Thread drmatt
Julf wrote: > I wasn't thinking just about the presence/level of background hiss, but > also the "colour" of it. Because of the RIAA equalization, vinyl hiss > (unlike tape and digital) is not uniform white noise, but a nice shade > of pink. I've wondered this. Add some pink noise just above the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-01 Thread arnyk
Fizbin wrote: > Hiss is not appealing to me at all, so it's not that. I absolutely > loathed cassette, even before CD's came out. Most vinyl seems to be EQed > just right, while CD's wildly vary...many of them being "brickwalled". > But it should be mentioned that I've heard a lot of remastered v

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-12-01 Thread Julf
Fizbin wrote: > Hiss is not appealing to me at all, so it's not that. I wasn't thinking just about the presence/level of background hiss, but also the "colour" of it. Because of the RIAA equalization, vinyl hiss (unlike tape and digital) is not uniform white noise, but a nice shade of pink.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-11-30 Thread Fizbin
Hiss is not appealing to me at all, so it's not that. I absolutely loathed cassette, even before CD's came out. Most vinyl seems to be EQed just right, while CD's wildly vary...many of them being "brickwalled". But it should be mentioned that I've heard a lot of remastered vinyl that have very poo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-11-30 Thread Julf
Fizbin wrote: > I don't know if it has to do with the mastering (maybe sound engineers > prefer vinyl) but it just does. Sound engineers might or might not prefer vinyl, but are extremely aware of the limitations of vinyl as a format. You have to equalize very differently for vinyl, and avoid ex

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-11-30 Thread Fizbin
When I play back my vinyl rips (or needle drops) on my Transporter, 90% of them sound better than the digital counterpart. That includes CD's, HD Tracks, etc. (SACD not included as I don't have any). It has nothing to do with the magic or charm of vinyl. I have no allegiance to it. In fact, I real

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-11-30 Thread Wombat
I didn't have that page on my radar. In the related posts at the end are links to other interesting things like opinions of Ian Shepherd "Dither or distort ? Listen and decide for yourself" Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] worth a read

2016-11-30 Thread SlimChances
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