Just out of interest. Are airline pilots allowed listening to music
while flying?
The (FMS) computer says 'no'
But they're still allowed to eat airline food
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If you've got music in the cockpit and you actually notice it, you
aren't well enough focused.
Wot, who said that?
I had my music on, sorry...! ;-)
P'haps that explains why there are so many bad drivers on the road with
their music, iPods, fat tyres, fat tailpipes, fluffy dice or crystals
This is the one for transport workers.
Like most policies, it looks damn useless. The list of exclusions has
been put together by the Fun Police.
The usual exclusions apply it would seem.
If you go mad, get sad or go bad - NO COVER
If you engage in most sports - NO COVER
If you
Another dumpling moment!
Brilliant sunny day here in Perth!
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Thanks for providing that:
There are many lessons in that report.
Here is the AAIB report:
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2011/szd_24_4a_foka_4_
_g_dbzz.cfm
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2011/szd_24_4a_foka_4
__g_dbzz.cfm
Lucas James
--
I was going
Would be curious to know what the status of the standby pitots and
statics were in the Air France flight (if such information is possible
to ascertain from the data recorders).
Assuming there was enough electricity to the standby unit, I guess the
only useful standby instrument would've been the
Even professional pilots can get caught short!
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/southwest-pilot-suspended-over-ugly-host
ies-rant/story-e6frg12c-1226080618332
Reminds me of the time when the local CTAF frequency was jammed by an
open mike during an AEF, you could here the pilot chatting away to
Sir,
Can you please walk in a strait line?
How many fingers am I holding up?
Can you say Theophilus' thistler?
Then please remain seated and one of our helpful staff will assist
you...
;-)
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Superb, good to see not much has changed!
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Sent: Sun 7/3/2011 6:43 AM
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Goofy's Glider (1940)
The point about people being your friends is a good one..
They have to mix with people they don't like.
LOL, metaphor for life really!
Much like going to the footy...
You might not like the people, but it's the activity that gives you a
jolly!
Sorry, back to normal back-biting... ;-)
Ah yes the media, it is a bit like:
Flight Lands Safely In Perth after mid flight radio broadcast
Breaking News:
A Qantas flight from Sydney to Perth (QF 565) landed safely at 9:10 am
today. The Boeing 767-300 made a text book landing after the 3 hour
flight carrying 220 people.
Apparently the
More like people behaving badly ;-)
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/12263348/pilot-lands-plane-on-go
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So long as it is in a CASA approved pilot's operating handbook (POH),
seems to trump everything else...!
Such as hand starting a Saratoga by oneself, relying upon the park brake
to hold the a/c.
I recall that Dr. Isabel won the court case because hand starting with
park brake on was an approved
Human Factors - Don't fly when tired and emotional or sick. Remember to
listen to others, they might have something important to say
AGK- If it has rotors, it is not a plane. Generally planes are
found more often on the ground than in the sky.
Aerodynamics - Planes need wings to fly
Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity?
I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the
officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear
shaped.
In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who
That one didn't wash, might work if you said it to a non-flying crowd,
major plot holes even for a fable.
What sort of bonehead student would start a plane without his
instructor?
Might be possible for an ab initio in a single engine at a flying school
with very sloppy ops.
If someone was
It's called light humour. :)
Yes, very lite indeed! 99% fat free!
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Thermals on Mars:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-08/a-whirlwind-rises-from-the-surface
-of-mars/3875938
The retrieve might be difficult, the launch even harder.
The aircraft would be difficult to fly.
The air density at the Martian 'sea level' is the same as FL800 (80,000'
AMSL i.e. about 1%
I remember when I did my Silver C distance in an ES59 Arrow (GNF) many
moons ago.
The outlanding paddock (a lovely stubble paddock, flat as a billiard
table) was right next to town of Crystal Brook (galvanized iron fences
were on one side of the paddock).
After securing the aircraft, I walked
My local Council continues to be hot-to-trot favouring an
international
airport within its area. The selected location has its boundary fence
500metres from my strip.
That's terrible.
OMG, think of all the animals at Monarto Zoo that will be scared to
death!!!
I hope jet proofing the animals
As both a glider pilot and a private light aircraft power pilot (PPL),
the debate about alerted see and avoid, and radio use is all very well,
but there are situations where even directed see and avoid can be
difficult.
Gliders (and some light aircraft) in cruising flight can be difficult to
see,
One thing missing - other aircraft, such as Paragliders don't even use
our radios. And they still fly with us too.
Fair point.
They use CB radios (I assume due to less restrictions on its use and
that they are lightweight. But so is a hand held VHF).
I will speak to my paragliding colleagues,
Transponders work OK if being interrogated by a secondary radar. No use outside
of radar coverage.
However, there are many more active devices appearing that do not rely upon
being interrogated and broadcast (a la FLARM and ADS-B).
I reckon watch this space
Not true, TCAS will trigger your transponder outside radar coverage.
Thanks Mike.
Is that sort of TCAS still a big boy's (heavy metal) toy or is it creeping into
GA?
When I have used GA a/c equip with a so-called 'TCAS', I was told it relied
upon using signals from interrogated transponders.
On the face of it, it seems like a good idea. I watch with interest.
Re requirements for a Class 2 medical, not onerous either and an
opportunity/prompt to keep yourself healthy!
There will also be a number of people flying currently who would not
pass a Class 2 medical.
If that is the case,
Some observations.
of the 2000 sailplaners across Australia are just flying for fun for
themselves. They risk themselves (having had that conversation no doubt
with loved ones) often in a sailplane they own
Fair enough if the activity doesn't hurt anyone else.
I guess to paraphrase, If a tree
I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of
the Class 2 Medical.
Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so
statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased
just by virtue of being around longer.
Black is not a colour ;-)
It is an absence of colour
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claffey
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 17:04
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
It's referring to this:
http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/mandl-absaugung-e.html
Any comment from aeronautical engineering types?
Have DG's results been independently verified?
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How do we know that the tail dolly wasn't put on to facilitate removal
of the wreck?
Let's wait until the report folks...
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Forwarded from Kim Taylor:
Hi All,
This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the regional
airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders.
Rex had a near miss involving a glider and one of their air ambulances.
Link to story :
One paper (see below) concludes that Combined Altitude Depleted Oxygen
(CADO) is just as effective a tool for hypoxia awareness training as
hypobaric hypoxia.
It could be said that an explosive decompression is not a usual scenario
for glider pilots at altitude (unless you are in a pressurised
But then again, there is this presentation that say there are
differences between normobaric hypoxia (i.e breathing oxygen poor
mixtures at sea level pressure), CADO (in a chamber at 10,000' altitude
breathing an oxygen poor mixture) and hypobaric hypoxia ( HH i.e full
chamber to 25,000').
It
I hear their prices are going up
Boom tish
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Next time you are doing the DI and find a minor defect
http://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/news/alaska-airlines-plane-wing-note-n
ot-appropriate/story-fn30173u-1226445659619
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We still wear beige...
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Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966.
Valentine's Day perhaps? ;-)
Petr Svoboda, Czech ice hockey player was born
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Nah, poor old tuggies can't pee because they never drink enough.
Their pipe works get plugged up with kidney stones!
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/avmed/journal_urinary_calculi
.pdf
As a tuggie, you are more likely to crap your pants when the glider on
tow does something silly.
And then you link it to your computer at home so you don't have to drive to the
airfield because the DI/launch robot has placed your glider on the grid, with
it's onboard camera and computer and fly the thing from home. If you have a mid
air no-one gets hurt apart from those whom the bits fall
This is funny, Airservices Australia have a sense of humour:
http://makingtimeforflying.blogspot.com.au/2009/08/youll-come-flying-mat
ilda-with-me.html
Look in the Airservices Austrlia designated airspace book:
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/dah/dah.pdf
Section 21 - IFR
If gliding is more interesting than photographing it,
Here is my contribution, title Perceptions of gliding from the ground.
A timeless study in three colours (if you include white as a colour).
The glider is the white dot under the middle cloud.
I think this picture captures how most (non)
In some parts of the world, metric units are used for altimetry, and
metres are used on European altimeters, and many paragliders and hangies
here in Oz use metres on their instruments:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_level#Metric_flight_levels
Although I believe there is a push by ICAO wrt
I have have just installed something fantastic.
It is called Sky(TM).
It is applied to the entire outer surface of the canopy.
Although it is solar powered it doesn't need batteries, or a link to a
GPS unit or any extra holes drilled into your instrument panel.
It's visibility in bright
when urinated upon turn everything into an easily manageable gel???
Gee whizz, I don't want to be turned into an easily manageable gel!
They must be very powerful crystals if they can do that (i.e. turn everything
into an easily manageable gel) ;-)
When I first saw your e-mail I thought you were talking about two of
these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingwalker
They would be hard to find.
I thought that glider wings would be too slippery and narrow!
Season's greetings all...
From:
Radical concept for preventing engines fires.
Don't have an engine...! ;-)
We fly gliders after all..
Tongue planted very firmly in cheek whilst running away to hide
(again).
The only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.
PS. but seriously, very interesting read
A goodly number of GA fires are in fact cockpit fires. We've got lots
of electronics and wiring in glider cockpits nowadays and fancy
batteries.
Too true. I wonder when that will start appearing in the accident
reports. More likely battery fires though with the amount of hardware in
cockpits
Simple Question;
When flying a glider, is it OK to taxy off the runway after landing to
position the glider close to the rear of the launch grid?
YES or NO or It depends.. (give a reason)
Offlist replies preferred
From latest MOSP
Taxying after landing
Sailplanes should make a straight
No 4
Yes 1 (it depends upon not hitting anything if you lose control or your
brakes fail!)
Not a big sample size yet!
Thanks for the replies.
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Why the straw poll?
I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy
club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the
launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid).
I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of
It depends on the position of the grid on the airfield.
To clarify. Grid is off the active strip to one side, so when taking
off, the tow combination then tracks back onto the active strip and
flies away. That is, there is a clear runway alongside the launch grid.
The never taxi/always land
I know of a gopher being used for this quite successfully. Cheap too
second hand.
Is that to get the pilot or the glider out to the launch
pointinfo/aus-soaring? ;-)
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Thanks everyone for the input regarding this topic, there has been some
drift from the question I posed about landing and then taxying towards
the grid (is this done for the sake of convenience?).
I am not referring to landing long past the grid and then taxying off to
clear the runway for
Use the force?.
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Can Tom Claffey work out why the list is getting repeat postings please?
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Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013 04:29
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Slight techie question.
If I use the out of office assistant on Outlook, how can I prevent it
from clogging up aus-soaring each time a message comes in, or even
worse, it starts auto-replying to my out of office message?
Is there on online guide to the correct etiquette/method regarding this
Gliding related because a Jabiru became a glider in QLD.
Calm instructor
See:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/pilot-makes-emergency-landing-in-l
ight-aircraft/4931182
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Hi All,
Here is a map of a long final glide from ~35,000' in the world's
heaviest sailplane over quite a long distance in Florida. It does a
straight in approach after a height losing orbit to the right!
I hope this helps ;-)
attachment:
Not exactly a sailplane either.
The space shuttle is a glider though. (But anything with the thrust
turned off is technically gliding, i.e. Gimli Glider wasn't called the
Gimli Sailplane though. Perhaps the alliteration of the g sound
rolls nicer off the tongue. But then why wasn't it called
Sullenberger's Sinker.
It floated for a little bit...
OK, I give up. What is TPFIC?
TPFIC Tongue Planted Firmly In Cheek.
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Methinks there is some false logic in that argument.
A counter argument is that the aviation medical system has kept people out of
the skies that shouldn't be flying due to medical reasons .
(that is, the medicals are filtering out those who are unfit to fly and hence
that the cause of
OK
I'm not sure you actually read my post. Either that or your reading
comprehension is extremely poor.
Mike Borgelt stated.
One study in the US was that medical conditions for powered aircraft pilots
were around 1% of accident causes. Fortunately they had a large body of
experience with
Thanks Mike and Carol,
That's Gold,
OK, bring it on.
Implement it and see what happens!
Unless I have completely mis read it again, an initially medical
issuance would still be required (i.e. Driver's licence initial issue
requires a medical and this is used in lieu)? Then
Very boring day at Beverley Soaring Society on Saturday 9th Nov, 2013.
At least 8 club and private gliders went out and completed 300 km
tasks.
Lift was still working to 9,000' AMSL at 1650 hours WST (no daylight
saving here in WA).
Great (boring) day had by all.
Thanks to all who helped out
The vast array of PV solar panels on the hangar roof?
These require burning non renewables for manufacture (mining the metals,
processing, transport, installation etc.).
Making PV stuff is CO2 intensive, see
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2008/03/the-ugly-side-o.html
Nice footage from around Innsbruck.
Stunning place to go gliding.
I have done a cross country out of Southern Bavaria (Königsdorf) into Tirol and
back (in a G103 no less).
For us flat-landers it is quite a lot of fun when you are ridge soaring at
9,000' AMSL!
It helps to remove the rudder lock during pre-flight, it was discovered on
climbout.
That is very poor airmanship, the pilot in command is lucky that nothing worse
happened.
I have flown C152's, a rudder lock should be obvious on the pre-flight walk
around.
I also do a full and free control
Disclaimer: The following message is presented in a slightly humourous vein,
but its message is serious.
Last time i checked you can fly a aircraft without a rudder.
Possible, but not recommended
It is obvious when the preflight is done in the day time and not in the pitch
black of the
And you learned not to fly with somebody more stupid/careless/braver than you
regardless of their qualifications.
I had the opportunity of flying with a very experienced and respected glider
pilot (the pilot had also worked as a commercial pilot, he had 10,000's of
hours in gliders and powered
problem it had to stop using it as the world became politically correct
That is so silly if it is true, America maybe, but not Oz?
Then words like Mammal, would be right out.
Or: Galaxy, Mammillary Bodies, Nipple (used in a engineering sense).
Whatever next: little cloth booties around the
The conventional teaching is that mammatus indicates downdraughts and
turbulence, hence we should avoid flying under it.
The cause and significance of mammatus cloud is not a clear cut as people may
think:
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammatus
(Noting that wikipedia is not peer reviewed,
There is more here:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7051421version=2locale=EN-USlayoutCode=TSTYpageId=3.2.1
What happened?
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Sounds a bit like April's fool.
I am sceptical that it would work, not with the current technology. But I am
not a tech head, so what would I know...!
I would've thought that the weight of the computing hardware plus batteries
would be quite a lot.
Anyway, isn't 1.5kg wetware with a ~80kg
Re Accident near Watts Bridge.
Condolences to the family and friends of the casualties.
Truly sad
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I doubt there is any training value at all in 400 to 500 feet.
I believe that there is some training value in such a flight:
The ability to fly and manoevure confidently at low level without getting
ground fright. (i.e. if I had the option to do a low level circuit for a safe
landing on field
Why the 60 degrees bank for minimum height loss?
Strictly you are correct, for minimum height loss you would have zero angle of
bank, but the you would be able to get around.
The 60 degree bank provides you with a smaller turn radius, it is a compromise
between height loss and getting the
I was by no way suggesting that one does the maths whilst in flight.
It is used as the justification for performing such manoevures!
Ok, radius of turn is given by R=V*V/(g*tan(bank))
R is radius in metres
V is given in metres per second
g is acceleration due gravity = 9.81 m/s/s
Bank = angle
60 degree banks at low level/half circuit height are the way to go when
turning back from a rope break, I predict that the accident rate will soar
(pardon the pun) with spiralling-in being the new buzzword.
Only if you are unable to fly an aircraft properly...
Turns like this are done by
Point taken..
But I am sure there are those who have experienced low level rope breaks for
real (as rare as it is), what did they do? did their training help? What would
you do?
But it is still about options and what a properly flown glider can or can't do.
At least, 180 degree turns should
and you cant do that under 1000 feet.
All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and
appropriate.
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But surely practicing low level launch failure is not an emergency as such.
That is true, and some might say that intentionally doing it is against the
regs (and not worth the risk).
But in a real emergency, agreed, do what is safe and appropriate...
You need to do what is safe and appropriate.
If you can land to 30 degrees off the centreline safely, then do so.
If you can land ahead safely in the next paddock, then do so.
If you can land on another runway, then do so.
What happens when you can't?
60 degrees when low and slow?? in a 60
A very useful and instructive exercise to do at altitude is simulated
rope/cable breaks.
I have already mentioned about 180 degree turns being demonstrated at altitude.
When instructing at a winch club, I would do a winch failure exercise thus
(obviously after briefing the student and doing a
To throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
Here are some links with attached research, regarding the best way to do a 180
(if required).
Any comments or disagreements?
OK, if people want to poo-poo this, please provide a rational and reasoned
explanation why (i.e. use a scientific and objective
They don't think the optimum is 60 degrees though.
Yep, I found that interesting too.
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Thanks Terry,
Unfortunately however, math or not, the history is that a lot of people who
have attempted this option died in so doing.
To make such a statement, you need to know the of people who have died doing
this manoevure divided by number of times the manoevure is performed.
I am sure
In my experience, long-term members are people who always wanted to learn how
to fly, but never knew they could do it as accessibly as gliding. Kids,
sailors and motorcycle riders tend to be disproportionately represented.
I think it has been mentioned before, that posters for the local
Beige is a safe, comforting and non-threatening colour, that is why it features
so much with the OFITTH set.
Other objects that are beige:
Old ugg boots
Arrowroot biscuits
Yo-Yo biscuits
Milky Tea
The Murray
A terry towelling hat after it has blown off your head and landed on the ground
a
At Beverley Soaring Society last Saturday.
Lovely streeting lift to 5,500' AMSL (limited by cloudbase). Strong post
frontal wind out of the WSW.
Had a 75min flight in the DG1000, took my nephew for an introductory flight,
had him thermalling (in a fashion) by the end of the flight. Had
You're right, Terry Towelling is hard to find!
Doesn't he live next door to Polly Theen and Lucy Lastic?
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I would take any report from the media with a grain of salt.
Sounds like a bit of a racist beat up. How many of you would mutter some oath
when things are going wrong?
Has anyone actually heard the cockpit voice recordings?
Not until you have done this can you pass comment.
Please see for the
All 366 pages?
Yup! ;-)
Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
Much of the report comprises appendices (these in themselves are interesting).
The conclusion starts at page 193 and goes for about 10 or so pages.
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My Granny (for those who knew her (or were delivered by her), Eva Texler) used
to drive an apple green Volkswagen Beetle and say the rosary at the same time
(the beads were draped around the indicator stick). Osteoporosis was not kind
to her, hence she sat on
After the explosions settled down, he stuck his head above the parapet. He
surveyed the scorched earth before him and declared:
I went gliding last Saturday at BSS. I did emergency procedures with a
trainee. I sent someone solo. I flew an Air Experience Flight. But not all in
the same flight
George Moffatt once had a system of pumping mercury in a Nimbus 3.
Wouldn't want any of that liquid metal stuff going near the metal pushrods or
fittings. Mecrucy does unpleasant things to aviation alloys.
If he had a prang, cleaning up the liquid mercury might be fun.
And isn't pumping mercury
Despite the big wet on the East coast, we had a lovely sunny autumn's day at
BSS on Saturday 25th. (Rain during the non flying days would be very welcome).
Climbs to 5,000' were acheived in rapidly cycling thermals (ok; nothing like
the Bunyan wave).
Training flights were being carried out.
We
LOL
The disclaimer and confidentiality clause down the bottom is longer than the
advert!
You gotta love that!
Runs and hides
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A sadly fatal mistake, re the accident in NZ.
It needs to be taught and remembered that if a pre-take off or rigging check is
interrupted for whatever reason, that the checking sequence needs to be started
again from the beginning.
So if you are doing a rigging check and are interrupted, start
You're a pathologist, aren't you?
If you're interrupted in an autopsy do you start again?
Not quite a valid comparison. No I do not start an autopsy again, because it is
not possible to do so. This is where note taking becomes paramount. Again, I do
not let anyone interrupt me during an
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