[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Ribeiro da Costa and wife Beatriz
I just found a distant relative who lived in Sao Miguel and since there are so many natives of Sao Miguel on this list, I am hoping maybe someone knew them.Manuel Ribeiro da Costa married in the mid-1930s in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel to Beatriz (surname might be Coelho).This Beatriz died in Ponta Delgada in 1999.She married a second time after her first husband died to Arnaldo Joao Paulo who died in Mocambique, Africa in the mid-1900s.I have yet to discover if she had any children from either marriage. It would be nice to make contact with someone in this family.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
Hi Cheri, Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing municipality and then the freguesia: Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old table of freguesias). Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) Graciosa island (only 1) Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) Velas: Velas (same as CCA) Faial island (1 Matriz) Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) Corvo island Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) For the 7 islands that are up, the They're using the official name of the freguesia explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused about São Miguel aparently. Regards, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: Joao C. Ventura said: They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case. OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these places Matriz. Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. CCA not up yet. Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz Nordeste The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Ponta Delgada The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao Povoacao The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus Ribeira Grande The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande CCA not up yet. Vila Franca do Campo The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo CCA not up yet. Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. Praia da Vitoria The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Graciosa island (only 1) The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz CCA not up yet Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Velas The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Faial island (1 Matriz) The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes (do Pico) The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Madalena The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Sao Roque The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes (do Flores) The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Santa Cruz (das Flores) The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Corvo island There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. I don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial under M for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao Jorge), Angra (Sao Salvador), Praia (Santa Cruz), Calheta (Santa Catarina), Velas (Sao Jorge), Lajes do Pico (Santissima Trindade), Santa Maria Madalena, Sao Roque (both on Pico), and N.S. do Rosario and
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from there about it when I see him On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: Hi Cheri, Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing municipality and then the freguesia: Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old table of freguesias). Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) Graciosa island (only 1) Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) Velas: Velas (same as CCA) Faial island (1 Matriz) Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) Corvo island Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) For the 7 islands that are up, the They're using the official name of the freguesia explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused about São Miguel aparently. Regards, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: Joao C. Ventura said: They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case. OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these places Matriz. Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. CCA not up yet. Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz Nordeste The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Ponta Delgada The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao Povoacao The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus Ribeira Grande The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande CCA not up yet. Vila Franca do Campo The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo CCA not up yet. Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. Praia da Vitoria The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Graciosa island (only 1) The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz CCA not up yet Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Velas The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Faial island (1 Matriz) The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes (do Pico) The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Madalena The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Sao Roque The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes (do Flores) The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Santa Cruz (das Flores) The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Corvo island There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. I don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial under M for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
Olá, José It's a known fact that the patron saint of the Nordeste parish is São Jorge: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordeste_(freguesia). Look for 'Orago' on the right side panel of the Wiki page. Cumprimentos, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:26:05 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote: Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from there about it when I see him On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: Hi Cheri, Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing municipality and then the freguesia: Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old table of freguesias). Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) Graciosa island (only 1) Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) Velas: Velas (same as CCA) Faial island (1 Matriz) Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) Corvo island Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) For the 7 islands that are up, the They're using the official name of the freguesia explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused about São Miguel aparently. Regards, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: Joao C. Ventura said: They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case. OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these places Matriz. Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. CCA not up yet. Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz Nordeste The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Ponta Delgada The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao Povoacao The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus Ribeira Grande The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande CCA not up yet. Vila Franca do Campo The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo CCA not up yet. Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. Praia da Vitoria The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Graciosa island (only 1) The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz CCA not up yet Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Velas The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Faial island (1 Matriz) The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes (do Pico) The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Madalena The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Sao Roque The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes (do Flores) The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Santa Cruz (das Flores) The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz The CCA listing says nothing
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
Thank you João, one has to be from that parte of the island to know that. I do know Lomba da Fazenda and Lomba da Pedreira On Monday, 16 December 2013 08:52:35 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: Olá, José It's a known fact that the patron saint of the Nordeste parish is São Jorge: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordeste_(freguesia). Look for 'Orago' on the right side panel of the Wiki page. Cumprimentos, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:26:05 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote: Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from there about it when I see him On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: Hi Cheri, Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing municipality and then the freguesia: Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old table of freguesias). Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) Graciosa island (only 1) Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) Velas: Velas (same as CCA) Faial island (1 Matriz) Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) Corvo island Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) For the 7 islands that are up, the They're using the official name of the freguesia explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused about São Miguel aparently. Regards, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: Joao C. Ventura said: They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case. OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these places Matriz. Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. CCA not up yet. Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz Nordeste The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Ponta Delgada The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao Povoacao The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus Ribeira Grande The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande CCA not up yet. Vila Franca do Campo The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo CCA not up yet. Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. Praia da Vitoria The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Graciosa island (only 1) The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz CCA not up yet Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Velas The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Faial island (1 Matriz) The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes (do Pico) The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Madalena The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Sao Roque The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes (do Flores)
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Misunderstood
Thank you Margaret, Out of curiosity I looked up some 6 baptism in Relva and all from Relva did not see one from Covoada being baptized there. As for Santa Clara they were indeed baptized in S. José and Santa Clara became a freguesia not too long ago. On Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:48:31 UTC-5, Mara wrote: Santa Clara was not a freguesia, it is under Sao Jose. Covoada is under Relva. Margaret Vicente On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Not sure why those aren't on them but they go by Alphabetical order and maybe those parishes you mentioned on included in another parish already uploaded maybe? On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Jose A Medeiros jademe...@comcast.netjavascript: wrote: Covoada and Santa Clara On Sunday, 15 December 2013 03:10:54 UTC-5, Pam Santos wrote: Good thing you posted that Doug!!! I did not see it either!!, there are two more Church I believe, São Vicente Ferreira and Sete Cidades On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:55 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Good news, Jose. Maybe like you, I have been checking daily for the next records of Sao Sebastiao. Then I get a great message from a fellow list member, Maria Natalia, who says that now with the Sao Sebastiao records online, she was able to find a very possible reason why she is coming up as a relative to me based on our Family Finder results at FTDNA.com. I'm thinking, I just checked yesterday morning, so did they just add them yesterday afternoon!!!??? No, I just didn't think they would call it Matriz ... and so missed it. Now, you might be just as thrilled as I was with this news. But will also be just a bit disappointed because only the baptismos are there so far. Usually they add in casamentos next and then the obitos and legitimacoes, tutelas, etc. I suspect this coming week we might see some more of that. I could find out myself, but does anyone know if that completes the Ponta Delgada concelho records? Does it mean the next in alphabetical order will now be Ribeira Grande's concelho? Heck, I don't even have any ancestors from there, but will be very happy to see more progress because it means I'm that much closer to my passaportes... Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Misunderstood From: Jose A Medeiros jademe...@comcast.net Date: Sat, December 14, 2013 9:35 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Since S. Roque was up over 2 weeks ago, didn't they or shouldn't they have had up S. Sebastião by now? I think there should have been up -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Requests for Translation help
Will do Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: There are many people on this list who can help out with translations. Some are native speakers. Some learned to read by finding the keywords and using word lists, paleography (handwriting), and following the format. The Azores GenWeb (thanks, Kathy!) houses my how to guide. I have a section that shows examples of baptisms, marriages, and deaths, with both the original Portuguese and a line by line translation. http://goo.gl/Pe8ekL I need to break down the 3 time periods of records. There was a time when the grandparents were included. There was a time period when the date of birth was not recorded, only the baptism. Etc, etc. I'll do this and send it to Kathy (who hopefully won't clobber me) and she'll put it on that page. Those who are new to reading the records need to use the link above. They also need the word list and the paleography guide. Again, Kathy has linked them to the Azores GenWeb site. Word list: http://goo.gl/MjTBYY Paleography (handwriting): http://goo.gl/NZkOMZ In the learning process of reading a record, the names seem to come first. They are always capitalized. Depending on the type of record and the time period, you just learn to look about 1/4 of the way down the page for the name, for example. The months seem to come next, because they are very similar to the months in English. The numbers seem to come last. They are written out in long hand: twenty-third of the month of May in the year one thousand eight hundred seventy and five. When posting for translation help, please do the following: 1) Title the email with the ancestor's name, location, and time period or date. You don't need to bother with putting translation in the title. We will have 1200 members on this list very soon. Not all 1200 post messages. Many just read the messages. So someone who is looking for your ancestor in your freguesia in your time period may not be translating or even reading the records yet, but they will see your post, follow the thread, and you may find a new cousin that way. If the post is titled Translation, Help me read this, or something along those lines, it does not reach an audience of almost 1200. Many people on this list are still in the work force. Unless the title of the email or thread catches their eye, they just may hit the delete key and go to the next email that hopefully has a clue to their ancestor. 2) Include the link to the CCA site. If the link seems to be too long or your email is doing funny things to it, use your favorite URL shortener (I like Google's at goo.gl (no www, no .com, no nothing, just type in goo.gl). If you scan your own image and attach it, are you SURE all 1200 of us have the software to open it? And you did double check and make sure it's PC and Mac and Linux compatible before you attached it, right? So you see how the link makes it much easier. 3) Include WHERE on the page the record is. Left side, 2nd record, for example. 4) Even if you are brand new to reading the records, include what you can read in it. It is amazing to watch people who could barely find the names 6 months ago to practically extracting the whole thing. And for those who want more: We will have a hands-on class in Salt Lake City, Utah next year in April. By we, I mean Rosemarie Capodicci and me, Cheri Mello. We are trying to get Joao Ventura from Terceira too, but he needs to get approval from his employer to take time off. And after the classes there will be 4 evenings where you can have one of us sit right next to you and help you learn to read those records. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
This is from an Azores government council report on emigration. Eric Edgar The great migration of Portuguese settlers from Madeira, the Azores and the Portuguese mainland to Hawaii was during the years 1878 to 1913. The story is of epic proportions, involving the movement across two oceans of more than twenty thousand people. Although the great migration of Portuguese to Hawaii began in 1878, a small number of Portuguese were present in the Hawaiian Islands as early as 1787. Little is known about these early Portuguese residents. They came to Hawaii as whalers and other seamen who took to the land for one reason or another while their ships were harbored in the Islands. The first Portuguese identified by name was João Elliot de Castro who arrived in Hawaii about 1814 and served on the personal staff of King Kamehameha the Great. The early Portuguese became recognized for their hard work and thrift. They generally purchased land as soon as they were financially able. Some became cattle ranchers and dairymen, and others engaged in various agricultural pursuits. Their numbers increased gradually during the Nineteenth Century until, on the eve of the great migration, there were over four hundred Portuguese in the Hawaiian Kingdom. The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic conditions in the mother country, and particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had been for many years the mainstay of the Madeiran economy. During the 1850’s, however, the vineyards were laid waste by a blight that crippled the wine industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the destruction of the vineyards. As conditions worsened, Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United States and Hawaii. During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of laborers for her sugar plantations. The large scale cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive labor. The demand for plantation workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with the United States in 1876, which facilitated the exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian population had caused planters and government officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and increase the population of the Kingdom. Several thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860’s and 1870’s. Yet the Chinese seldom brought their families, and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other residents of Hawaii caused many of the latter to demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China. In 1876, Mr. Jacintho Pereira, a Portuguese citizen and proprietor of a successful dry goods store in Honolulu, came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the Hawaiian government investigate the possibility of solving Hawaii’s labor and population problems by encouraging the immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The government contacted Dr. William Hillebrand who was living at that time in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii’s agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first contingent of Portuguese immigrants aboard the Priscilla. Portuguese Settlers to Hawaii, 1878-1913 1. September 30, 1878 Ship Priscilla (German bark) arrived 116 days out from Funchal, Madeira, with 80 men, 40 women, 60 children. Total 180. (Portuguese consular documents indicate approximately 120 passengers). 2. August 23, 1879 Ship Ravenscrag (British) arrived 123 days out from Madeira with 133 men, 110 women, 176 children. Total 419. 3. January 24, 1880 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 99 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 109 men, 81 women, 147 children. Total 337. 4. May 2, 1881 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 130 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 173 men, 66 women, 113 children. Total 352. 5. August 25, 1881 Ship Suffolk (British bark) arrived 102 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 206 men, 100 women, 182 children. 6. March 27, 1882 Ship Earl Delhausie (British bark) arrived 113 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 94 men, 82 women, 146 children. Total 322. 7. June 8, 1882 Steamship Monarch (British) arrived 57 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 202 men, 197 women, 458 children. Total 857. 8. September 15, 1882 Steamship Hansa (British) arrived 70 days out from Azores, with 307 men, 286 women, 584 children. Total 1177. 9. May 4, 1883 Steamship Abergeldie (British) arrived 62 days out from Azores, with 264 men, 190 women, 484 children. Total 938 . 10. July 9, 1883 Steamship Hankow (British) arrived 66 days out from St. Michael, Azores, Madeira with 427 men, 317 women, 718 children. Total 1462. 11. November 1, 1883 Steamship Bell Rock (British) arrived 99 days out from Azores, with 109 men, 81 women,147 children. Total 337 . 12. June 13, 1884 Steamship City of Paris (British) arrived 74 days out from Madeira St. Michael, Azores, with 295 men, 199 women, 330
[AZORES-Genealogy] Leites from the Maia area on S. Miguel
Repost for Mary Ann Santos, m...@nyu.edu Hi Eileen, Are any of your Leite's from Maia, Lomba da Maia or Lombinha da Maia? MaryAnn Santos -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Interesting Eric E. I few years ago I was in Hawaii and I went on a tour of a sugar plantation there. The tour guide did say that the first wave of laborers were Chinese bachelors. And China is on a continent. Being a bunch of bachelors who weren't used to an island environment created a bit of a dilemma. I don't remember the tour guide's exact words anymore, but being bachelors they partied too much after hours, rabble roused, went stir-crazy due to being on islands, etc. So the plantation owners thought that bringing over entire families who were used to living on islands would be much more calming. So they initially recruited from the Azores and Madeira, which was successful, then from the Philippines. Eric's information came from an Azores government publication and mine came from a sugar plantation tour guide. Those new to genealogy can see how stories can change and now you know why some of us tell you to take your family stories with a grain of salt. The basic truth is there. You've got to cut through some of the embellishments to find the truth. And evaluate the source. Which source is more reliable? This is what genealogists do. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
Joao C, Not surprising that they are confused about Sao Miguel. There was a change in directors at the CCA and I don't think that communication between S. Miguel and Terceira is all that great. They just don't seem to get along or try to get along. The CCA is on Terceira. The server is on S. Miguel. The server goes down on S. Miguel. Does someone notify the CCA over on Terceira there's a problem? Nope. Jose A.M, yes the church in Nordeste is Sao Jorge. Only place that the CCA lists something with the church name. I was there once in Nordeste, by the church. Trying to find out what happened to my great-grandfather's baby brother, Antonio de Mello. I took a taxi over there. There was a festa going on. The taxi driver found one of the oldest people there. That man remembered Antonio and his wife, Senhorinha. They were from the other side of the island (yes, Ribeira das Tainhas). The old man said that Antonio had a son in Canada. He didn't know where in Canada or the name of the son. So fast forward a few more years and the grandson of Antonio de Melo his wife Senhorinha shows up on this list! LOL Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
I'll guess that the tour guide didn't mention that the sugar cane was brought from Madeira where it had been well established since the 1500s. Pineapple was also a export crop of Madeira and Sao Miguel before cultivation started in Hawaii. I't pretty clear that besides surfing, most of what people identify as Hawaiian is actually Portuguese in origin, sugar cane, pineapple, ukulele Eric Edgar On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting Eric E. I few years ago I was in Hawaii and I went on a tour of a sugar plantation there. The tour guide did say that the first wave of laborers were Chinese bachelors. And China is on a continent. Being a bunch of bachelors who weren't used to an island environment created a bit of a dilemma. I don't remember the tour guide's exact words anymore, but being bachelors they partied too much after hours, rabble roused, went stir-crazy due to being on islands, etc. So the plantation owners thought that bringing over entire families who were used to living on islands would be much more calming. So they initially recruited from the Azores and Madeira, which was successful, then from the Philippines. Eric's information came from an Azores government publication and mine came from a sugar plantation tour guide. Those new to genealogy can see how stories can change and now you know why some of us tell you to take your family stories with a grain of salt. The basic truth is there. You've got to cut through some of the embellishments to find the truth. And evaluate the source. Which source is more reliable? This is what genealogists do. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric E, The tour guide may have mentioned the info about the sugar cane and the pineapple. I also did the pineapple plantation tour too. My ancestors were involved in pineapple on Sao Miguel. Guess that's why they wound up involved in fruit here, although it was apricots! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Requests for Translation help
Anthony S, I'm not directing the guidelines at any one person. I'm just trying to get us to mostly follow a format to make it easier on those who do the translating. Many of the translators do work and are not retired. And sometimes some requests can make the translators feel as if they are being taken advantage of. (Again, this is not directed at any one person. It's the general feeling over the past couple of years). Twenty years ago, before the the Internet, us non-readers had to PAY someone to translate for us. It only took a couple of times of paying a translator and we learned to read! I'm posting about the class in a separate thread. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Misunderstood
You're welcome, Jose. If not in Relva have a look at Arrifes for it was under it up to 1846. It became part of the Relva civil parish after that. The church names to look for are N. Sra da Ajuda and N. Sra da Graça. Santa Clara may be reverting to its old status under S. Jose, it's under review along with other newer freguesias. It will be a matter of funds and votes. Margaret On 12/16/13, Jose A Medeiros jademedei...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Margaret, Out of curiosity I looked up some 6 baptism in Relva and all from Relva did not see one from Covoada being baptized there. As for Santa Clara they were indeed baptized in S. José and Santa Clara became a freguesia not too long ago. On Sunday, 15 December 2013 20:48:31 UTC-5, Mara wrote: Santa Clara was not a freguesia, it is under Sao Jose. Covoada is under Relva. Margaret Vicente On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Not sure why those aren't on them but they go by Alphabetical order and maybe those parishes you mentioned on included in another parish already uploaded maybe? On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Jose A Medeiros jademe...@comcast.netjavascript: wrote: Covoada and Santa Clara On Sunday, 15 December 2013 03:10:54 UTC-5, Pam Santos wrote: Good thing you posted that Doug!!! I did not see it either!!, there are two more Church I believe, São Vicente Ferreira and Sete Cidades On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:55 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Good news, Jose. Maybe like you, I have been checking daily for the next records of Sao Sebastiao. Then I get a great message from a fellow list member, Maria Natalia, who says that now with the Sao Sebastiao records online, she was able to find a very possible reason why she is coming up as a relative to me based on our Family Finder results at FTDNA.com. I'm thinking, I just checked yesterday morning, so did they just add them yesterday afternoon!!!??? No, I just didn't think they would call it Matriz ... and so missed it. Now, you might be just as thrilled as I was with this news. But will also be just a bit disappointed because only the baptismos are there so far. Usually they add in casamentos next and then the obitos and legitimacoes, tutelas, etc. I suspect this coming week we might see some more of that. I could find out myself, but does anyone know if that completes the Ponta Delgada concelho records? Does it mean the next in alphabetical order will now be Ribeira Grande's concelho? Heck, I don't even have any ancestors from there, but will be very happy to see more progress because it means I'm that much closer to my passaportes... Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Misunderstood From: Jose A Medeiros jademe...@comcast.net Date: Sat, December 14, 2013 9:35 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Since S. Roque was up over 2 weeks ago, didn't they or shouldn't they have had up S. Sebastião by now? I think there should have been up -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post
[AZORES-Genealogy] UPDATE: Azores Genealogy Conference in Salt Lake City, Utah, April 2014
The Azores Genealogical Conference and Research Trip will be held in Salt Lake City, Utah from Tuesday, April 15th, through Friday, April 18th, 2014. Note: Easter Sunday is April 20th. The host hotel is the Salt Lake City Plaza. http://goo.gl/ulsi3N Call them and tell them you are with the Azores Group on the above dates. I need you listed as part of the Azores group. Part of this is a double check between people who have paid for the conference but forgot to book the hotel room, and vice versa. In addition, I need to have a certain number of rooms sold (that's how I get the lecture room for free, or I'd have to charge you a bunch more money!) So if you have a friend who has been wanting to go to Salt Lake City to research their ancestors in Italy, Poland, or another area of the world, they can book under the Azores Conference. I have a friend from my local genealogy society who is coming along to research her American and Belgium lines. The hotel is giving us the stay 3 nights and get the 4th free deal. She thought it was a good deal, so she's coming along. So far, 7 people have registered with the hotel under the Azores group. I haven't heard back from Joao Ventura, archivist in the Azores, if he was granted his leave from work to be with us that week in April. I'm going to pretend he's coming and I will announce it as such. If he's not granted his leave, I will refund money. I also have the logistics of working out the FamilySearch speaker. Once I get everything set in stone (later this week or next week for sure), the announcement and registration packet will appear on the Azores GenWeb. Right now, it's just advertising the dates: http://goo.gl/AXkSBe -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Requests for Translation help
Cheri, I wasn't trying to imply you were directing this at anyone person,just owning my mistakes. Obrigado Tony On Monday, December 16, 2013 9:58:36 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: Anthony S, I'm not directing the guidelines at any one person. I'm just trying to get us to mostly follow a format to make it easier on those who do the translating. Many of the translators do work and are not retired. And sometimes some requests can make the translators feel as if they are being taken advantage of. (Again, this is not directed at any one person. It's the general feeling over the past couple of years). Twenty years ago, before the the Internet, us non-readers had to PAY someone to translate for us. It only took a couple of times of paying a translator and we learned to read! I'm posting about the class in a separate thread. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Thank You to the Translators/obrigado aos tradutores
I thought it would be appropriate to take a moment to say muito obrigado and many thanks to the fine members who take their time to assist us newbies in translating records. Cheri Mello,Pam Santos,Joao Ventura,Hermano Pires,Richard Pimentel and Mara ( who have helped me personally) and all others who help with translations. It is easy for us newbs to get overly excited and post for translation help too fast,I have learned to slow down and if needed come back to the record with fresh eyes later. I have also found Azores Gen Web a fantastic resource,muito obrigado to Cheri Mello and Kathy Cardoza, most notably the Paleography section. Looking forward to when I am good enough to pay it forward and start helping with translations. Muito Obrigado Tony -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thank You to the Translators/obrigado aos tradutores
Very well written. Very well said. I agree with your assessments of those mentioned. Cheri and Kathy have given so much to the Azorean genealogy community along with the rest. I would also like to include George Pacheco in the mix. Best wishes to all, Tish On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Anthony Soares asoaresph...@gmail.comwrote: I thought it would be appropriate to take a moment to say muito obrigado and many thanks to the fine members who take their time to assist us newbies in translating records. Cheri Mello,Pam Santos,Joao Ventura,Hermano Pires,Richard Pimentel and Mara ( who have helped me personally) and all others who help with translations. It is easy for us newbs to get overly excited and post for translation help too fast,I have learned to slow down and if needed come back to the record with fresh eyes later. I have also found Azores Gen Web a fantastic resource,muito obrigado to Cheri Mello and Kathy Cardoza, most notably the Paleography section. Looking forward to when I am good enough to pay it forward and start helping with translations. Muito Obrigado Tony -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thank You to the Translators/obrigado aos tradutores
Your very welcome, like you I was a newbie too at one time and this list has helped with translations in the past and still do with some records that are tricky. Before you know it you will be giving back like me and assisting others. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com wrote: Very well written. Very well said. I agree with your assessments of those mentioned. Cheri and Kathy have given so much to the Azorean genealogy community along with the rest. I would also like to include George Pacheco in the mix. Best wishes to all, Tish On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Anthony Soares asoaresph...@gmail.comwrote: I thought it would be appropriate to take a moment to say muito obrigado and many thanks to the fine members who take their time to assist us newbies in translating records. Cheri Mello,Pam Santos,Joao Ventura,Hermano Pires,Richard Pimentel and Mara ( who have helped me personally) and all others who help with translations. It is easy for us newbs to get overly excited and post for translation help too fast,I have learned to slow down and if needed come back to the record with fresh eyes later. I have also found Azores Gen Web a fantastic resource,muito obrigado to Cheri Mello and Kathy Cardoza, most notably the Paleography section. Looking forward to when I am good enough to pay it forward and start helping with translations. Muito Obrigado Tony -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
The old rivalry between S.Miguel/Terceira still ON not much has changed over time Great story Cheri about your ancestors in Nordeste On Monday, 16 December 2013 12:54:17 UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: Joao C, Not surprising that they are confused about Sao Miguel. There was a change in directors at the CCA and I don't think that communication between S. Miguel and Terceira is all that great. They just don't seem to get along or try to get along. The CCA is on Terceira. The server is on S. Miguel. The server goes down on S. Miguel. Does someone notify the CCA over on Terceira there's a problem? Nope. Jose A.M, yes the church in Nordeste is Sao Jorge. Only place that the CCA lists something with the church name. I was there once in Nordeste, by the church. Trying to find out what happened to my great-grandfather's baby brother, Antonio de Mello. I took a taxi over there. There was a festa going on. The taxi driver found one of the oldest people there. That man remembered Antonio and his wife, Senhorinha. They were from the other side of the island (yes, Ribeira das Tainhas). The old man said that Antonio had a son in Canada. He didn't know where in Canada or the name of the son. So fast forward a few more years and the grandson of Antonio de Melo his wife Senhorinha shows up on this list! LOL Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores
Hi Ed. My parent's families are also from Flores I find the records challenging because of clarity more than not being able to read Portuguese. I don't know about the surname Anthony or Antonio but my relatives have that as a first name the last name Miguel (which is really a first name as is Anthony). Their surname is also listed as da Freitas with the Miguel, sometimes used alone. I also have Nicolau as a first name for my 2nd great grandfather. I would play around with some of my surnames use Antonio or Antone as a first name. You have given me a great idea for mine that is to use my Antonio as a last name. Thanks! They often switched names around; e.g., the father would be Joao Antonio the son would be Antonio Joao. Good luck! On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:13 PM UTC-8, destin...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon, My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in Tennessee. I have been helping my son with the family tree over the last few years and one our greatest challenges is on the “Anthony” line since it apparently goes through the Azores. I am checking to see if anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores. All the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores. Based on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there. I have no parish or village to go by. Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT. I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?). I took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese. I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help you could provide. I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, grandparents, and other siblings if any. I am open to other suggestions on steps to take in locating this information. Thank you for your time. Ed -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz and the council
Yes, Jose A.M., I was just trying to be more tactful. Sometimes, it seems as if they are acting like the North and South during the American Civil War, or North and South Korea...or any 2 countries that have had animosity between them. Being a former school teacher, I sometimes feel that they need to be sent to the school counselor and made to go through conflict management and learn how to play nicely in the sandbox together! :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thank You to the Translators/obrigado aos tradutores
Thanks! It's nice to hear that once in a while :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Theresa Cordeiro marriage Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada 1686, need help with names
Below is the link to the 2nd page of her marriage and Manuel Tavares. I need to see if anyone can read her parents names? They are in Canto index but there is a ? mark next to the fathers first name. I have checked for the name in the Index and do not see a baptism in Sao Jose for Theresa. It is on left page any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P160.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Matriz and the council
Cheri, it looks like everyone is confused! In all of the time that I've been researching the Azores (more than some and less than others), I have never come across a jurisdiction referred to as Matriz-Civil. The name of the Civil Registry is just as one would expect it to be, Registro Civil. Matriz is a Church term meaning Mother Church. It dates back to before parishes (freguesias) were assigned to a particular conselho. For many years the freguesia of São Paulo in Ribeira Quente was under the jurisdiction Arcanjo Sao Miguel da Villa Franca - although geographically, it fell within the boundaries of Povoacao. The same held true for a number of other parishes that were under the jurisdiction of Divino Espírito Santo in Maia, Nossa Senhora da Estrella, in Ribeira Grande, or Sao Jorge, in Nordeste. Some of those parishes eventually ended up in those other Conselhos - while others did not. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site
May I add my DItto! To Eileen's. All my research is for my husband's ancestors from the Azores. I pretty much stopped working on my ancestry from Cuba. I'm grateful to all of you for the help I've received. Maria Elena Lima Wisconsin On Dec 15, 2013, at 10:48 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: So very well said, Eileen. For me, I didn't do research before the films were already available in the Azores. But what you say about those conditions still apply to my German and some Hungarian research. I have been stuck in the middle 1800s for almost 25 years on my direct maternal line from Hungary, because I believe the marriage record I need comes from modern Romania and they still live in the dark ages in many ways. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site From: Eileen Leite eileenle...@seleite.com Date: Sun, December 15, 2013 7:36 am To: azores@googlegroups.com The majority of my husband’s family comes from Vila Franca do Campo. The next largest group, from Ribeira Grande. (Deep sigh…) It is an understatement that I am ready to see those records come online! My pencil is in my mouth and my fingers are ready to hit the keys, just as soon as the records are posted! Haha. However, despite the wait, my overwhelming feeling is of deep gratitude that these records are being put online. I recall the old days of squeezing in an hour at the Family History Center on my way home from work, sitting in the darkest corner of the room to eliminate light washout of those dark films, trying to focus ancient and sketchy microfilm viewers and then squandering a half hour of my precious time juggling the film over to the copier and tweaking its settings so I could save a copy of the record I found, stifling my cry of “NOOO” as I realized that the records ended before the baptisms and marriages of some critical people: those years have made me appreciate the contrast of sitting in my pajamas at my computer at 1 in the morning with (mostly) clear, enlargeable, easy to copy and save images. We live in marvelous times! Some of you may remember how it used to be done before there was internet access to family history records, before there were online indexes, before many microfilms available now had even been filmed. In those days direct physical contact was required. Remember the “SASE”? That means “Self Addressed Stamped Envelope”, which is what you included (often with a donation check) when you wrote an inquiry letter to a potential source. Then you often waited for months for a reply. Finding the basic details of my Irish line involved driving 1000 miles to New Jersey, visiting court houses and cemeteries and rectories, and negotiating with the priest who wanted to deny me access to his parish records because he was sure I was violating the privacy of his parishioners who died in the 1860’s. In those days it could take close to a year to track and receive a single birth record. Committing to fill in a four-generation pedigree chart meant you were in for the long haul. If you didn’t have patience, you didn’t do family history. Realizing that those Vila Franca do Campo records may be online before next Christmas has touched me deeply and filled me with great happiness. It will happen so soon! When those last Sao Miguel records come online, I will do the dance of joy. Feeling grateful in Chicagoland, Eileen Leite Researching Ponta Garca, Ribeira Grande, Povoacao, and more in Sao Miguel. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Pedreira (no names, no time period, no island)
Repost for Fatima da Luz Coutinho Torres Avila (Attached to a thread where Joao C. Ventura is answering...I don't know which Jose she is addressing or if she intends this for Joao C. Ventura). Hi Jose, Do you have relatives in the Pedreira? Thanks, Fatima -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matriz and the council
I've never heard anyone say I'm from the Matriz either. I concur on that. In my Ribeira Quente research, I found all my ancestors from Ponta Garca. Are you sure you meant Sao Miguel Arcanjo? Maybe it's in a different time period. I know Ribeira das Tainhas was under Sao Miguel Arcanjo. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pedreira (no names, no time period, no island)
No I do not Fatima, Medeiros from Lomba da Maia and Roque from S. Roque and S. Pedro in P.Delgada S. Miguel On Monday, 16 December 2013 21:05:44 UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for Fatima da Luz Coutinho Torres Avila (Attached to a thread where Joao C. Ventura is answering...I don't know which Jose she is addressing or if she intends this for Joao C. Ventura). Hi Jose, Do you have relatives in the Pedreira? Thanks, Fatima -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Theresa Cordeiro marriage Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada 1686, need help with names
Pam, The Father's surname is Cordeiro, however having Canto's index you omitted to list the Mother's name which I find harder to read then the Father's. If her name is Marta then the father's name is Luiz. If you can confirm this then I will point you to Thereza's birth record in S. Jose. Best, Margaret Vicente On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Below is the link to the 2nd page of her marriage and Manuel Tavares. I need to see if anyone can read her parents names? They are in Canto index but there is a ? mark next to the fathers first name. I have checked for the name in the Index and do not see a baptism in Sao Jose for Theresa. It is on left page any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1630-1701_item1/P160.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
