Re: Proof of Prophet

2014-08-09 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv All of your texts come from Promulgation, which is pilgrim's notes. In some cases there are Persian notes of the same texts which are authentic: if you track these down I think it likely that you will find there is a translation problem: ummah and mellat refer to a r

Re: Immaculate Conception

2013-11-16 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Nov 2013 at 1:36, Don Calkins wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I tho´t there was an authoritative letter saying that we believed in the Virgin Birth but not the immaculate conception of Mary. > I can´t find it, so was i imagining things? We believe in th

Re: The `ulama' in the Bahai community

2012-04-20 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Apr 2012 at 19:20, John Bromberek wrote: > Wouldn't the Hands of the Cause be considered the Baha'i ulama? There's overlap, certainly. Some of the Hands, especially the earliest Persian ones, were scholars, and the good use to which they put their knowledge may

Re: The `ulama' in the Bahai community

2012-04-20 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Apr 2012 at 16:25, David Regal wrote: > It looks to me that that quote is a reference to the Muslim divines > rather than Baha'is, and that is probably why there is nothing else on > the subject. The quote is: == "Those divines [`ulama'], ... who are truly ado

No sermons in the Mashriq

2012-04-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone know of a source prior to December 1926, which states that there can be no sermons, lectures, discourses, talks ... etc in the Mashriqu'l-Adhkar? I am aware of a letter on behalf of the Guardian dated in 1931, but I know there must be an earlier source, s

The `ulama' in the Bahai community

2012-04-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does anyone know of any extended treatment of the role of scholars/divines in the Bahai community, in addition to that by Bahiyyih Nakhjavani in _Asking Questions.? I'm working on a piece on the topic, which begins with this quote == "Those divines [`ulama'], ... who

Re: Universal teachings... Huffington Post Article

2011-11-07 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv While the author says he is not a Bahai, he confuses the words tenet and tenant like a true believer. Perhaps he had a Bahai ghost writer? cf: http://www.michianabahais.org/about_tenants.html http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/bahai_faith/27895 http://pluralism.org/pr

Re: nakhlah raid was Re: Stealth Jihad (support for tolerance)

2011-01-01 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 1 Jan 2011 at 12:12, Firouz wrote: > Personally I find mainstream Baha'is offensive too. There is only one > group of Baha'is and that is simply called Baha'is. Other groups > should be called covenant-breakers. I think by using the word > "mainstream" in front of Ba

Re: nakhlah raid was Re: Stealth Jihad (support for tolerance)

2010-12-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 31 Dec 2010 at 16:20, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I don't have a problem with avoiding the phrase. It wasn't meant to be > provocative or insulting. But as an outsider to the conflicts between > different groups which all claim to follow B

Re: Arguments and Stuff

2010-12-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Matt, Gilberto I for one appreciate your presence here. You demonstrate the best ecumenical spirit, which does not involve soft-pedalling one's own beliefs, but engaging in dialogue based on person to person respect. Two of the Bahai members on this list have no

perennialism/triumphalism

2010-12-30 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 30 Dec 2010 at 12:25, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Is the letter available to the public online? Yes, on my blog at - http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/uhj-message-28-dec/ but it does not actually refer to triumphalism (but see "Self- righ

Re: Stealth Jihad

2010-12-30 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 Dec 2010 at 20:01, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > I'm just interested in discussing the forms of warfare / jihad which > would have permissible under Muhammad (saaws) or the Imams. Are you > saying that Muhammad and/or the Imams led offensive raids? In my Church and S

Re: List and member of bahai-st

2010-12-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 Dec 2010 at 9:16, atheistchallen...@gmail.com wrote: > Sen, you are a Muslim. > > ;) Why thank you! Salaam Sen -- -- Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com All is to be yielded u

Re: List and member of bahai-st

2010-12-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 28 Dec 2010 at 21:09, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > At some point I actually tried to unsubscribe but for some reason it > didn't work. The various people who object are simply participants here like yourself. I mean, they are not like you in character, but they are p

Re: List and member of bahai-st

2010-12-28 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 28 Dec 2010 at 15:03, Iskandar Hai, M.D. wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I'm just wondering what is Gilberto's point in staying on this > bahai-st list. He has been asked to leave, more than once, and he is > still here. Why? Why should he? I for one apprecia

Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange

2010-12-28 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 28 Dec 2010 at 4:51, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > So is Shoghi Effendi saying that when the previous religions are > reborn they remain recognizably distinct or is he saying they are all > reborn as the Bahai Faith? Shoghi Effendi grew up

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-23 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 23 Dec 2010 at 1:21, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > So I would want to see a > clearer statement on how Shia define the limits of the ummah. My answer was based on family law in Iran, because I wrote a booklet on the topic. If you look at the theoreticians of the republ

Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange

2010-12-22 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 22 Dec 2010 at 12:47, Naison Jones wrote: > If you really think that the Behaviour of Bahais is comparable to say > the incidence of Christian ministers who have been convicted of child > abuse for example as a percentage ... I am afraid such cases do occur - as an

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-22 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 21 Dec 2010 at 22:29, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > And maybe even on a popular level there may be a certain > amount of conflict and tension between the two communities. But if you > look to some of the most respected voices speak about the other side, > they still rec

Re: LSAs/NSA and the responsibilities of government

2010-12-20 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The UHJ is not constrained, by its previous statements least of all. Back in the 1980s they several times endorsed the separation of church and state, from about 1990 they seemed to be against it, and I have no idea what they think now. It changes according to who is

Re: an erxplanation of the *SEAL** based on the Address of Visitation of the Imam 'Ali addressing Muh.ammad (SAW)

2010-12-20 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 20 Dec 2010 at 10:50, Matt Haase wrote: > If I > am not mistaken, the Baha'i Faith says the same thing about > Baha'u'llah (i.e. that all was created *through* Him), and that he is > the voice of God that Moses spoke with at the Burning Bush. As I understand it, wha

Re: LSAs/NSA and the responsibilities of government

2010-12-20 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 20 Dec 2010 at 9:38, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > I understand that you are answering according to your own conscience > and understanding of the texts. But do you think it is the case that > most Bahais agree that the LSA/NSA/UHJ wlll NOT replace governments in > the

Re: LSAs/NSA and the responsibilities of government

2010-12-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Dec 2010 at 11:54, shahram rohani wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Dear Sen, > In your 2 below posts,it seems that word friend is used in 2 different > /opposite meanings! 1)In the first post, A Muslimis called a > friend. 2)In the 2nd post according to

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Dec 2010 at 18:04, Firouz wrote: > What do you call a Muslim who recognizes Baha'u'llah as Manifestation > of God? "Friend." Sen -- -- Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com All

LSAs/NSA and the responsibilities of government

2010-12-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Dec 2010 at 1:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > A question which comes to mind is if the LSAs/NSA of a particular > region took on all the responsibilities of government would non-Bahais > be able to vote? Both possibilities are ruled out by the Bahai Writings. (1

Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel

2010-12-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Dec 2010 at 10:05, Firouz wrote: > This is the main issue you pointed out. Gilberto and indeed no Muslim > could ever accept that there could be a Messenger after Prophet > Muhammad, And yet, you did make that step. You should know personally, and you can see h

How will they cope?

2010-12-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 12 Dec 2010 at 17:29, David Regal wrote: > The Faith will increase in numbers vastly in the future.  Given that > the House is struggling to keep up now how will they do so in future?   > David By delegating core functions to subordinates, and spinning-off tasks t

Re: {Spam?} A Question About Muhammad's Wives

2010-11-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv One start is to gather the various traditions, which disagree about the age of Aisha when she was married. I discuss two of them on my blog here: http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/email-archive/the-age-of-aisha/ but I know there are others. These two happen to come from

Grave Influence

2010-11-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 Nov 2010 at 9:46, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://www.scribd.com/doc/21023921/An-Introduction-to-Bahai-Law > > Udo Shaefer implies Baha'i law mandates that it becomes the law of the > land. I think you are misreading him. He says the

Re: Grave Influence

2010-11-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 Nov 2010 at 8:17, Stephen Gray wrote: > Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that > government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider > traditional values or behaviors. ... Is the Baha'i Faith socially > liberal on

Re: Grave Influence

2010-11-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24 Nov 2010 at 13:36, Stephen Gray wrote: > The crime of adultery/fornication being liable to be fined is one of > the examples of social conservatism. This is not a court penalty for a criminal act, it has more in common with confession for a Catholic, and it is

Taxation

2010-11-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24 Nov 2010 at 12:21, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > 2000 in which calendar? Islamic? Baha'i? Could you explain the question please Sen __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@

Re: Taxation

2010-11-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24 Nov 2010 at 12:25, Stephen Gray wrote: > Was his list an exlusive tax list on an inclusive tax list? We those > seven all taxes or some taxes? Would he of allowed tax shifts by > adding other taxes to lower or eliminate others eventually? It was suggestive, since

Re: Taxation

2010-11-24 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 23 Nov 2010 at 10:12, Stephen Gray wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax > > There are all kinds of taxes. > Capital gains tax ... In his letter to Mrs Parsons, Abdu'l-Baha includes income tax and revenues from mineral rights ("severance taxes" in your list),

Re: Grave Influence

2010-11-24 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 23 Nov 2010 at 10:25, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Executive? Doesn't that mean they will have veto power? Executive is used in two different ways in the Bahai writings, which can cause confusion, although the different contexts always make i

Re: Grave Influence

2010-11-23 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 23 Nov 2010 at 11:42, Don Calkins wrote: > >Also, the Administration isn't going to replace the gov't but exist > >alongside it. That's Shoghi Effendi's position: Theirs is not the purpose, while endeavoring to conduct and perfect the administrative affairs of the

Re: Grave Influence

2010-11-22 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 22 Nov 2010 at 11:42, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > In terms of the Bahai Faith, the writings say that extremes of wealth > should be "abolished" which sounds a bit different from pure laissez > faire capitalism. In a Bahai future wouldn't the fund also be an > actual ta

Re: Pahlavi Gov't In Exile

2010-11-18 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 17 Nov 2010 at 9:58, Stephen Gray wrote: > What real difference is there between parliaments with contittuional > monarchies and republican ones? A constitutional monarchy, or a presidential constitution such as Isreal or Germany with a figurehead president and act

Pahlavi Gov't In Exile

2010-11-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 17 Nov 2010 at 8:48, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Yes, but the point is he think's he's entitled to rule via birth right > regardless of his aptitude for leadership. That is one of the flaws of > hereditary monarchy. Living in California will o

Re: Baha'i election principles

2010-11-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 12 Nov 2010 at 20:00, David Regal wrote: > Do the same principles Baha'is apply to Baha'i elections apply to > Baha'is in other elections?  No, one cannot generalise from Bahai elections to other kinds of election. In the Tablet to the Hague, Abdu'l-Baha sets out

Re: Law in Religion

2010-11-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Stephen Gray > wrote: > > > What is the record of how gradual the laws have been implemented? > > What > > laws were in effect in previous period and now? Also, each sect has > > a different head and thus recongnizes different level

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-04 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 4 Nov 2010 at 8:57, Naison Jones wrote: > since perfection in two unequal parts comes through relative strengths > in their most suitable roles then true equality comes through apparent > inequality or distribution of roles. When you say such things, it appears to

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-03 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 3 Nov 2010 at 17:17, Naison Jones wrote: > But true equality in its purest sense implies > sameness So blacks and whites can never be equal? Chinese and hottentots? Frenchmen and Englishmen? It's a pretty bleak picture you paint, if only sameness is good enough.

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-03 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 3 Nov 2010 at 1:46, Matt Haase wrote: > The Baha'i Faith (in my understanding) is a Dispensationalist religion > - whereby it is believed that God sort of "took" His/Her Spirit away > from the most previous revelation (Islam), and placed it in the hands > of the Baha

Re: Religion and Women

2010-11-03 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 3 Nov 2010 at 10:03, Naison Jones wrote: > > True equality can Never exist between man and women because they are > different. All is meant in Bahai is that women have the same spiritual > rank as men and that implies 'true equality' not the equality of tasks > and

Re: {Spam?} Triumphalism, Domionism, Dominion Theology, Thenomy, Christian Reconstrutionism, etc.

2010-10-28 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 28 Oct 2010 at 11:09, Stephen Gray wrote: > Is it oppresive to have a > state religion in and of itself or to legislate morality? An established state religion is not in itself oppressive: it depends entirely on the terms of the establishment. What duties are requi

Re: Conspiracy Thoeries and Recent New Events Align alot

2010-10-16 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 15 Oct 2010 at 18:48, Don Calkins wrote: > While it can be argued that the Baha'i vision equates to a new world > order, the terms "world order" and "new world order" do not occur in > the Writings of the Central Figures of the Faith. The world's equilibrium hath b

Re: Baha'i Review

2010-09-21 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 21 Sep 2010 at 10:30, Gary Selchert wrote: > And for that matter, what about the third country just around the > corner who has just become 51% Mainstream Baha'i? Is there a provision > in untranslated Scripture that allows (or commands) them to take a > strong role

Re: Baha'i Review

2010-09-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_review > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/1999/jssr/bhjssr.htm > http://bahai-library.com/leith_bahai_review_repealed > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith_in_fiction > > What is the size an

I don't get this passage

2010-09-12 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Abdu'l-Baha is speaking from the point of view of governance, not of faith. The separation of church and state is not just about there being two separate institutions - it is two different logics, oriented to two different goals, speaking from different points of vi

Re: I don't get this passage

2010-09-12 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 11 Sep 2010 at 17:12, Ahang Rabbani wrote: > The issue is that what Abdu'l-Baha says appears to contradicts the > last 200+ years of economic prosperity of the west based on the > principle of self-interest. yes, the greatest economic prosperity is produced by all t

Religion and Exclusivism

2010-09-12 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 18 Aug 2010 at 14:51, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://irfancolloquia.org/pdf/lights8_martin.pdf > > I found this was a related paper. It has a number of weaknesses. Imputing motives to Fazel is redundant, it only lowers the tone. Martin

Will & Testament of Abdu'l-Baha Part 3

2010-09-02 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 2 Sep 2010 at 10:17, Stephen Gray wrote: > He even goes so far as to appoint an Afnan (Shoghi Effendi) to be > Guardian. > > He refers to him as an Afnan (ie twig), not as an Agshan (branch) not > even half or step wise. Shoghi Effendi is a descendant of both Baha'

Amen and Amin

2010-09-01 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 1 Sep 2010 at 12:21, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/ABL/abl-2.html > > http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/ABL/abl-4.html > > These are the two only times a Baha'i prayer includes Amen in the > text. Neither i

Re: {Spam?} Re: authorized Institutions

2010-08-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 31 Aug 2010 at 10:14, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/ > > Which one's are which? Three of them: Abdu'l-Baha in London Paris Talks Promulgation of Universal Peace are not authenticated (although they do contai

Good object lesson for avoiding reading Covenant-breaker sites

2010-08-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 31 Aug 2010 at 9:39, Stephen Gray wrote: > They believe that Abdu'l-Baha changing his succesor to > Shoghi Effendi was superceding Baha'u'llah, But what exactly is the evidence that Baha'u'llah appointed Muhammad Ali as successor, rather than leaving this decision

authorized Institutions

2010-08-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 31 Aug 2010 at 9:17, Stephen Gray wrote: > "The Baha'i Movement is not an organization. You can never organize > the Baha'i Cause. The Baha'i movement is the spirit of the age. It is > the essence of all the highest ideals of this century. The Baha'i > Cause is an IN

authorized Institutions

2010-08-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 31 Aug 2010 at 8:17, Stephen Gray wrote: > After the death of Shoghi Effendi, theree was a proliferation of > Baha'i Institutions. > > But, only the following are authoried: > Guardian of the Cause of God > Hands of the Cause of God > Universal House of Justice (Int

authorized Institutions

2010-08-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 31 Aug 2010 at 8:44, Stephen Gray wrote: > Just ask if there were a Guardian, would the UHJ have this much power? Yes, it would! The writings of the Guardian are full of things he defers to the House of Justice, when it is established. One specific one is the zaka

Re: Good object lesson for avoiding reading Covenant-breaker sites

2010-08-31 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The problem is not so much to avoid reading the sites, as to know what it is that you are reading, when people are trying to pass themselves off as something else. To make it doubly difficult, one of the "groups" (which may consist of one person with a bee in his bo

Covenantal Terms

2010-08-30 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 30 Aug 2010 at 10:11, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Covenants have special terminology. According to the Bible and Hebrew > they are cut and entered into rather than made. Is there a dictionary or > encyclopedia of covenant related terms. I don

Re: Bahaullah's descendants was Re: Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 12:03, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > If any of Bahaullah's descendants joined the mainstream Bahais would > they be eligible for being Guardian or any other special role? They could not be the Guardian, since the prospective Guardian had to be nominated

Re: Fear of God (was at-Taqwa (Godconciousness))

2010-08-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 Aug 2010 at 6:18, Don Calkins wrote: > Remember in H.S. being totally hung up over some guy (or gal)? > Remember how you were scared to death they either would, or would not, > pay attention to you? I think that is equivalent to the fear of God > Baha'u'llah spe

at-Taqwa (Godconciousness)

2010-08-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqwa > Sawm and Taqwa are associated. Is there a Baha'i reference to Taqwa? Indeed there is: In the fourth Ishraq (splendor) of the Ishraqat (Tablet of Splendors) We have mentioned: "Every cause needeth a helper. In this Revela

Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I always thought of the Baha'i Faith as a religion where one's one > home took the place of a mosque. The House of Worship is a central institution in the community, and should be built in every town according to the Aqdas - but your home and your heart are also f

Universal House of Guardianship

2010-08-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 26 Aug 2010 at 12:35, Tim Nolan wrote: > Universal Senate of Justice.   Can you give sources from the writings > of Baha'u'llah or Abdu'l Baha or Shoghi Effendi?  Tim Never heard of it. If it has any history, it might go back to the Universal Tribunal, which in ea

Re: Religion and Exclusivism

2010-08-15 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Religion and Exclusivism: A Baha'i Perspective > by Julio Savi > Published in Lights of Irfan Volume 7 pages 221-238 Wilmette, IL: Irfan > Colloquia, 2006 > The PDF of the full paper is here: http://irfancolloquia.org/pdf/lights7_savi_exclusivism.pdf I don't think

Re: Halo effect

2010-08-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 13 Aug 2010 at 9:23, Kathryn Darrah wrote: > I simply wanted to contribute my own thought. I come from a Christian > background but I would assume the halo effect would usually be a > photographic technique. I saw this to the point of nausea when I > spent a few m

Re: {Spam?} Sura Hafd and Sura Khal'

2010-08-11 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Ubbay ibn Ka'b's codex seems to have included these two. Which city > was he from? He's Medinan http://web.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/ulum_al_quran/Ch2S3s2. htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubay_ibn_Ka%27b ___

Sura Hud (Sura 11) Kitab-i-Iqan

2010-08-10 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 9 Aug 2010 at 6:35, Stephen Gray wrote: > To them that are possessed of true understanding and insight the Súrah > of Húd surely sufficeth. Ponder a while those holy words in your heart, > and, with utter detachment, strive to grasp their meaning. Examine the > wondr

seeking stories and writings about Maryam

2010-08-09 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Bahá'u'lláh spent the month preceding His exile in the house of His half-brother Mirza Rida-Quli, a physician. The latter was not a believer though his wife Maryam, a cousin of Bahá'u'lláh, had been converted by Him in the early days of the Faith and was one of His

Prayer Times in Islam

2010-08-05 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's usually thought that Al-Salat Al-Wusta ( The Middle Prayer) in 2:238 Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind). is further defined in 17:78 Establish regular prayers - at

Re: Angel Gabriel

2010-07-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 Jul 2010 at 9:39, Lord Norbit wrote: > Who is the angel Gabriel? Is he a figure from history? A manifestation > that has passed away from this world or from another planet? Or is he > simply a symbol of the holy spirit and not an actual individual. The last of t

Re: Seer Status

2010-07-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Baha'u'llah very often quotes Rumi, and Abdu'l-Baha has done so several times. Abdu'l-Baha calls him mulaai rumi. There's a study in Persian of these citations at: http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/o/MASH2/mash2-21.html Baha'u'llah's Lawh-e Salman I (first tablet for

RE: Seal of the Prophets

2010-07-13 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Thanks for this Brent. It looks as if they Bahai teaching is that Moses Jesus Muhammad the Bab and Baha'u'llah are all Prophets, all Messengers, and all Manifestations: these are different names for the same thing, or names for different aspects of their mission. >

Re: Ma'idiy-i-Asamani, vol. 7, p. 119

2010-07-12 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 Jun 2010 at 14:38, g...@aol.com wrote: > references Ma'idiy-i-Asamani, Vol. 7, p. 119, as the source, which, as > far as I know, is not translated into English. The Leiden list http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/leiden-list/ says: 141 Lawh-e Haqq'un-Nas (regard

Seal of the Prophets

2010-07-10 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 1 Jul 2010 at 12:58, shahram rohani wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > dear Sen, > If you refer to the persian text of "Ishraqat"  ,-"Relevations of > Baha'ullah" , where he talks about the Prophet of Islam, describes him > as "the seal of both prophets& messenge

Re: {Spam?} Prophetic Ranks in Shia Twelver Islam (Was: Seal of Prophets)

2010-07-01 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Stephen: you are supposing that there is a seal on prophecy, and trying to understand the Bahai Faith through shiah categories. Baha'u'llah says that the Manifestations are all the seal of the prophets, and expects new manifestations to come, so he obviously doe

Seal of the Prophets

2010-06-30 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 28 Jun 2010 at 7:36, haj...@yahoo.com wrote: > The Baha'i writings are very clear that Muhammad sealed both > Prophethood and Messengership. Could you give a source for this Hajmog?? Sen __ You are subscribed to

Re: Respect for Islam

2010-06-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 26 Jun 2010 at 20:09, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > I think it seems like you are twisting and mischaracterizing what I > wrote. Why couldn't one of the authors J,D, E or P actually have been > Moses? And if so, his text would still be with us (mixed in with other > th

Re: Non-Baha'is are permitted to participate at the 19-day feast

2010-06-25 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 25 Jun 2010 at 11:04, Adib Masumian wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Here it is. I asked the UHJ, and my NSA, whether this policy means that unenrolled Bahais could also attend selected feasts, by arrangement with the local assembly. They have not replied.

Re: Respect for Islam

2010-06-25 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24 Jun 2010 at 21:02, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > On the one hand, if say that Bahaullah represents this > radically fuller different level of revelation beyond "prophet" then > you take on a kind of triumphalist superior tone I don't think this is what is meant. Muh

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-24 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 23 Jun 2010 at 21:47, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > ...I think another part of it is built into Bahai theology and if > there were nothing wrong with Islam and Muslims then there wouldn't be > anything special about being Bahai. I don't experience it that way at all. I

Question about Spiritual vs. Social Teachings

2010-06-23 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 23 Jun 2010 at 7:53, haj...@yahoo.com wrote: > The Brilliant Proof of Abu'l-Fadl Golpaygani, for example, lists 10 > new features of the Baha'i Faith. Are these 10 features spiritual or > social? Spiritual and non-social? Non-spiritual and social? A > combination

help with a story

2010-06-23 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 22 Jun 2010 at 19:55, Hasan Elías wrote: > I'm trying to remember a story (probably in Star of West) when > 'Abdu'l-Bahá was walking and a believer was walking behind him, the > believer want to be like Him treading on his steps, then something > happen (I don't reme

Re: CS Lewis

2010-06-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 17 Jun 2010 at 10:27, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > I think there is more to the > novels than just that. In the later novels, the Authority (presumably > "God") and his forces led by the angel Metatron are the primary > enemies. And at one point one of the "good guys" i

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Jun 2010 at 11:13, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > ... in the Bahai case, even if you just took a bath, and then choose to > pray, you would still do the ablutions again, right? That seems to be > more of a ritual concept, no? Not for purists: 18. QUESTION: With ref

Untrustworthy/Disobedient?

2010-06-19 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Jun 2010 at 3:17, David Regal wrote: ... what about > obedience to parents?  It may have been His uncle, but the uncle > counts as a parent since he raised the Bab.  Does being a > Manifestation waive certain aspects of accountability?   Regards, > David     I im

Grace at Meals

2010-06-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 17 Jun 2010 at 11:03, Stephen Gray wrote: > Where does the practice originate from? It's Jewish, if not earlier. Reciting kiddush is regarded as a command where wine is drunk (sabbath and holy days). In the Passover seder we find: Blessed are you, O Lord God, Ki

Re: {Spam?} Re: Grace at Meals

2010-06-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Sen I found this custom of grace before meals very sweet and healthy. > When I read sometime ago that we cannot do it (Lights of Guidance), I > feel a little rude. I also find it healthy, and in accordance with Baha'u'llah's vision - and especially the Bab's vision

Re: CS Lewis

2010-06-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 17 Jun 2010 at 8:41, Gilberto Simpson wrote: > I'm curious about how you dealt with the "controversial" aspects. Was > the book anti-religious? anti-God? Not at all, Pullman speaks of an imagined world in which spiritual aspects of a person are visible in a "famili

Grace at Meals

2010-06-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Jun 2010 at 15:59, Hasan Elías wrote: > Sen, did you try to clarify this issue asking the House? I haven't asked them about the letter against teaching grace to our children, but I have asked them some questions about the letters written on behalf of the Guardi

Re: CS Lewis

2010-06-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Jun 2010 at 19:13, Dean Betts wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Why would I want to victimize myself or my children or grandchildren? It's not meant literally Dean. More or less it means -- I predict when you start reading, it will become a great enthusiasm

Grace at Meals

2010-06-16 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 16 Jun 2010 at 10:12, Stephen Gray wrote: > "He [the Guardian] does not feel that the friends should make a > practice of saying grace or of teaching it to children. This is not > part of the Bahá'í Faith, but a Christian practice, ... (From a letter > written on beh

CS Lewis

2010-06-16 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv CS Lewis is a theologian, and also a very good writer. He wrote the Narnia stories (The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe etc..) and the Screwtape Letters. Read the former to your children or grandchildren or any other victim you can locate, read the Screwtape Letters f

Nikah Mutah (Temporary Marriage)

2010-06-15 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24 May 2010 at 7:08, Stephen Gray wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah  > Did either the Bab, Baha'u'llah or anyone else say anything on this > topic? According to Nasrotollah Muhammad Husayni, the Bab forbade mut`ah or sigheh marriage: http:

Re: Jinn

2010-05-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 29 May 2010 at 13:38, Gary Selchert wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I just don't get it. So all of the references to jinn in the Qur'an > were just a long allegory or metaphor? OK. But Baha'u'llah was > comfortable referring to jinns and letting his followers

Jinn

2010-05-29 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 28 May 2010 at 22:42, shahram rohani wrote: > Please be informed that in the Islamic words and culture,Jinn is a > creature different from Angles.Jinns can be faithful or unfaithful.But > angles are not so; Peace, Shahram Rohani I am aware of that. However in th

Jinn

2010-05-27 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 27 May 2010 at 10:56, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > In, Islam there is a techings about Jinn. Are they ever refernced in > Baha'i scriptures? Yes, they are: We see men drunken in this Day, the Day in which men and angels (jinn) have been gath

Peter Khan at convention: precis

2010-05-17 Thread Sen & Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You can hear what he said at: http://natcon2010.usbnc.org/uploadedImages/Peter-Khan-talk-Convention- 2010.mp3 or http://tinyurl.com/Khanconvention2010 Some points of interest (precis of the precis): He appears to be preparing the friends for some major change to be i

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