On 31-May-09, at 10:42 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
CatBus;428292 Wrote:
Saying that following your switch to bolded text...now we're both
laughing.
unlike you, i have not expressed any malice. the bold text was so you
would get the importance of the point, that afterall, is the point of
bold
well, when ALL CAPS is the same as *bold text* maybe i'll care. and FYI
a few words in all caps is not shouting, its emphasis, its not as if i
wrote whole sentences or paragraphs in all caps.
gimmie a break already, there was nothing wrong with what i expressed
or how i expressed it, and unlike
MrSinatra wrote:
well, when ALL CAPS is the same as *bold text* maybe i'll care. and FYI
a few words in all caps is not shouting, its emphasis, its not as if i
wrote whole sentences or paragraphs in all caps.
Well, clearly you aren't capable of taking my writing as impartial, but
I will
i can not, and should not, be held accountable for what the msg
board/email gateway does.
but clearly i did not do what i was accused of doing by you, so its
understandable that i did not think you were being impartial...
now that you know that too, i would think you would understand my
I made no accusations, and I'm not complaining. I simply meant to
clarify why another poster may have perceived your post as something you
had not intended. I apologise humbly for offering the information.
Clearly it was neither welcome, nor helpful. Sorry to have side-tracked
the
actually, even phil seems to think i'm likely right, esp since atrocity
has now said he didn't do the full clear and rescan which means if he
changed comp=1 albums to comp=0 IT DIDNT TAKE EFFECT, ie. BUG. but you
go on with your bad self.
Yes it's a bug, but not a major issue. For someone to
kdf;428307 Wrote:
I made no accusations, and I'm not complaining. I simply meant to
clarify why another poster may have perceived your post as something
you
had not intended. I apologise humbly for offering the information.
Clearly it was neither welcome, nor helpful. Sorry to have
MrSinatra;428315 Wrote:
kdf,
what was your first post then? it was not accusatory with intent to
correct? what was it then?
and no one else had complained about ALL CAPS, (probably b/c funnily
enough i hadn't done it) or the bold itself for that matter so what
you're saying doesn't
snarlydwarf;428403 Wrote:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=428282postcount=68 shows
an awful lot of bold -and- allcaps.
yes, and i intended all of them, and there's nothing, NOTHING,
*NOTHING* wrong with how i employed them.
there is no anti-bold rule and the ALL CAPS rule is for
CatBus;428422 Wrote:
And I'm saying it would. Considering that I've provided examples of why
I'm right, and when I asked you for examples of why you're right, you
stooped to personal attacks, I think people got the drift.
1. how did you show you were right? what examples did you give
MrSinatra;428472 Wrote:
y
perhaps you're talking to me about the obscenity laced PM you sent me,
which i still have, that i ignored and didn't report you for... oh
wait, that kinda defeats your point.
Obscenity laced?
You mean the one that said You need to get laid?
As you may recall,
MrSinatra;428476 Wrote:
this is drama queen territory
And that ends this week's comedy show, ladies and gentlemen! Let's
hear a big round of applause for MrSinatra! Drive safe!
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a trip down memory lane it is then...
snarlydwarf;428484 Wrote:
MrSinatra Wrote:
perhaps you're talking to me about the obscenity laced PM you sent me,
which i still have, that i ignored and didn't report you for... oh wait,
that kinda defeats your point. Obscenity laced?
did i spell
MrSinatra;428536 Wrote:
a trip down memory lane it is then...
did i spell it wrong or something? yeah, obscenity laced. you do know
what an obscenity is, don't you?
Ad Hominem
i see you don't know what an obscenity is.
Ad Hominem
no, i mean the one that went on for a page
MrSinatra;428560 Wrote:
why don't you respond to the truth that you started it?
Because it is not truth.
also, those weren't ad hominem attacks, you clearly don't know what
that means either.
Name-calling, implications of ignorance are ad hominem.
and you misquoted me, again. i
snarlydwarf;428564 Wrote:
Because it is not truth.
then you explain it. did you reread posts 41 to 46?
how can you possibly deny you started it?
it is the truth you started it, and EVERYONE can see it and read it for
themselves, and know it. your denial means nothing in the face of the
MrSinatra;428569 Wrote:
i didn't imply anything, i said you are ignorant and that is the truth.
Again, Ad Hominem. I really should make a macro for this.
you clearly don't know the meaning of the terms, even after i posted
the wiki for them. i demonstrated your ignorance... to do
snarlydwarf;428575 Wrote:
Again, Ad Hominem. I really should make a macro for this.
its not ad hominem if its factually true and addresses the issue at
hand, which it does.
snarlydwarf;428575 Wrote:
Yawn:
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that an argument is wrong
and/or the
MrSinatra;428581 Wrote:
the bottom line, YOU STARTED IT in that thread, and everyone can see so
for themselves, and i'm not surprised you won't address it, b/c to do
would be to admit you were wrong, no other reasonable conclusion exists.
Or it could be that I am still waiting for you to
coward.
i already stated examples in post 84, and said so in post 90.
if you can't read english, thats your problem.
as to running away and never addressing posts 41-46 in the other
thread, thats EXACTLY what i expected out of a mind of your caliber.
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using:
OK. Regardless of what is (and is not) obscene, this thread has become
tedious, off-topic and annoying. Please stop it, or take the discussion
elsewhere.
I'll leave the thread open for now in case any of the original
participants are even still reading and interested in getting back
on-topic.
CatBus;427575 Wrote:
Give me an example album and I'll tell you. HINT: it's different than
you've tagged it.
this is where i just have to laugh...
ok, so you presumably see yourself as the ultimate and final authority
on tagging, as to what is and is not correct.
interesting.
guess what?
CatBus;427575 Wrote:
MrSinatra;427553 Wrote:
define correctly.
Give me an example album and I'll tell you.
MrSinatra;428214 Wrote:
this is where i just have to laugh...
ok, so you presumably see yourself as the ultimate and final authority
on tagging, as to what is and is not
I can verify all of this on 7.3.2...the only thing I'd add is that
apparently having the COMPILATION tag--no matter what value--causes
Compilation: Yes. I fooled around with setting COMPILATION=0 for some
albums where one or two tracks have guest artists and consistently saw
the web UI show those
MrSinatra;428214 Wrote:
(atrocity, did you find a specific album WITH comp tags and AA set that
did NOT sort in VA, and instead sorted under AA?)
I'm looking at Beyond the Wildwood: A Tribute to Syd Barrett...it's
tagged as COMPILATION=1 and ALBUMBARTIST='Syd Barrett'. It shows up
when I
CatBus;428220 Wrote:
Not at all. I'm just stating that tagging compilations is a solved
problem. It's very simple and easy to understand, like 2 + 2. I'm
simply willing to show people that it's 4. There are lots of other
people who understand tagging compilations too--I'd say most people
MrSinatra;428282 Wrote:
honestly, what is it about me saying that that gets you and others here
so angry...? why is that such a verbotten sentiment that you have to
get all huffy and puffy?
Saying that following your switch to bolded text...now we're both
laughing.
Seriously, if all you're
CatBus;428292 Wrote:
Saying that following your switch to bolded text...now we're both
laughing.
unlike you, i have not expressed any malice. the bold text was so you
would get the importance of the point, that afterall, is the point of
bold text.
i doubt you'll find expressing anger in
Phil Leigh;427685 Wrote:
WAV is NOT superior. It's been tested to death (including by me).
Streaming WAV vs. FLAC makes no difference at all. None. This can be
measured. It has been measured. I'm not talking about the mathematical
identity here, I'm talking about the fact that they sound the
Phil Leigh;427889 Wrote:
AudioDiffmaker tests confirm that there is no measurable difference in
the analogue output when replaying WAV vs FLAC on an SB3 (ie streaming
WAV from SC vs streaming FLAC from SC). There is a long thread on the
Audiophile forum about this. This has nothing to do
atrocity;428049 Wrote:
I fooled around with setting COMPILATION=0 for some albums where one or
two tracks have guest artists and consistently saw the web UI show those
albums as compilations
If you have tracks with guest artists, set the ALBUMARTIST for all
tracks on the album to one
quote:
May I ask why you're converting from Flac to WAV?
answer:
1. a)Some anecdotal evidence that although wav and flac files are
identical,there may be some audible jitter introduced during the actual
on the fly uncompression and playback of flac, that isn't seen in the
file when you just
I'm trying to keep things simple here: I just don't get why programs
such as Winamp and Foobar 2000 are able to order the wav files I
named/tagged in track number order, and why I can't get SC to do it.
I'm not saying it's a bug, but it is a feature I could do without. I
simply want the software
firedog;427613 Wrote:
I'm trying to keep things simple here: I just don't get why programs
such as Winamp and Foobar 2000 are able to order the wav files I
named/tagged in track number order, and why I can't get SC to do it.
I'm not saying it's a bug, but it is a feature I could do
firedog firedog.3sxuhz1243584...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com writes:
There must be someone out there who uses wav and has gotten SC to
display tracks in numerical and not alphabetical order.
First off, this discussion now has nothing to do with the thread's
topic; you should have started a
firedog;427612 Wrote:
quote:
May I ask why you're converting from Flac to WAV?
answer:
1. a)Some anecdotal evidence that although wav and flac files are
identical,there may be some audible jitter introduced during the actual
on the fly uncompression and playback of flac, that isn't
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Phil Leigh
phil.leigh.3sygpz1243613...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
There is no case for WAV in the context of a discussion around SC.
Look, let the guy use WAV if he wants. Maybe he wants some
iTunes/iPod compatibility. FLAC may be superior in every
Ben Sandee;427722 Wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Phil Leigh
Phil.Leigh.3sygpz1243613521 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com
wrote:
There is no case for WAV in the context of a discussion around SC.
Look, let the guy use WAV if he wants. Maybe he wants some
iTunes/iPod
CatBus;427575 Wrote:
Example 2: Now let's take a tribute album--a tribute to Neil Young by
various artists. Now, these types of albums can be found in two
locations: Various Artists AND Neil Young. So you'd tag each track like
this:
ALBUMARTIST=Neil Young
ALBUMARTISTSORT=Young, Neil
atrocity;427758 Wrote:
I actually *do* have that album: The Bridge: A Tribute to Neil Young.
I have the ALBUMARTIST set as above and when I search for Neil Young I
find it in the list of albums under the artist Neil Young as well as
in the list of albums with Neil Young in the title.
But if you wanted it to show up under Various Artists AND Neil Young as
well, there's absolutely no way that can happen without a COMPILATION
tag. And, I'm guessing, changes to SqueezeCenter.
ALBUMARTIST and COMPILATION tags can co-exist, essentially causing the album to
be a compilation album,
Philip Meyer;427806 Wrote:
If you tag the album with ALBUMARTIST=Neil Young, and COMPILATION=1, you
will see it under Browse Artists Neil Young, and Browse Artists
Various Artists
Wow. I'm shocked that it works...exactly as I'd want it to. And I
thought I was very particular, too.
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Hi-
I'm experimenting with moving my collection from flac to wav.
Wav files are named/tagged as:
track (number) albumartistalbumtitle
SC (through Duet controller) presents the tracks in alphabetical order.
Is there a way to get SC to present the wav tracks in order of track
number?
(This
May I ask why you're converting from Flac to WAV?
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CatBus;427549 Wrote:
We clearly need a wiki page covering the MrSinatra/Philip Meyer
argument, so we can just link to it when it comes up.
Summary: If your music is mistagged or ambiguously tagged,
SqueezeCenter could organize your music in an undesirable way. Most if
not all of these
On May 28, 2009, at 8:08 PM, snarlydwarf wrote:
firedog;427413 Wrote:
Wav files are named/tagged as:
WAV files do not support tags.
Name, then, is all that SC can use to identify them: so you will have
to play with the 'Guess Tags' settings and be -very- precise in your
filenaming.
thats interesting andy...
my general rule of thumb is to basically think to myself that wavs
don't support any tags whatsoever, and thats normally what i tell others
who aren't obsessed with these things...
however, i noticed mainly but not only via Audacity that wavs can
support some very
MrSinatra;427553 Wrote:
define correctly.
Give me an example album and I'll tell you. HINT: it's different than
you've tagged it.
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On May 28, 2009, at 11:17 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
thats interesting andy...
my general rule of thumb is to basically think to myself that wavs
don't support any tags whatsoever, and thats normally what i tell
others
who aren't obsessed with these things...
however, i noticed mainly but
Philip Meyer;423668 Wrote:
BS. the two i named were that the scanner doesn't pick up changes,
(without a full clear and rescan) thats a BUG, and i don't care if
you
don't agree with such an obvious thing.
Of course that's a bug - I raised it! But, there's no faulty logic,
design,
Philip Meyer;423668 Wrote:
Having more options will always complicate the code, support,
documentation, maintainability, and ultimately make the software more
likely to fail. I also believe that the developer efforts can be more
wisely spent on other areas that need more work. If there
firedog;423753 Wrote:
Hi-
Don't want to get into the nasty argument and details here, but...
I'm in camp 2: I have a certain way I want my catalog presented, I'm
not really interested in what certain corporations or other users think.
I want what what works for me.
I like my Duet
Hi-
Don't want to get into the nasty argument and details here, but...
I'm in camp 2: I have a certain way I want my catalog presented, I'm
not really interested in what certain corporations or other users think.
I want what what works for me.
I like my Duet overall, but when I switched over
Oh no, not again.
current bugs, of which there are many
Such as? There aren't many scanning bugs.
full rescans should NOT be required to pick up tag changes.
I agree with you on that one though ;-)
SC imo needs to rethink from scratch how it is going to catalogue and
store ones collection in a
Philip Meyer;423437 Wrote:
current bugs, of which there are many
Such as? There aren't many scanning bugs.
i named two i think are fairly serious, so you have your such as.
but there are others, bugzilla has them as you know, you can find them
yourself.
Philip Meyer;423437 Wrote:
i named two i think are fairly serious, so you have your such as.
but there are others, bugzilla has them as you know, you can find them
yourself.
Yeah, but your examples and many things about scanning, are not actually bugs
but enhancement requests. The app works largely as designed (although
Philip Meyer;423602 Wrote:
i named two i think are fairly serious, so you have your such as.
but there are others, bugzilla has them as you know, you can find
them
yourself.
Yeah, but your examples and many things about scanning, are not
actually bugs but enhancement requests. The app
BS. the two i named were that the scanner doesn't pick up changes,
(without a full clear and rescan) thats a BUG, and i don't care if you
don't agree with such an obvious thing.
Of course that's a bug - I raised it! But, there's no faulty logic, design,
non-de facto standards, voodoo, whatever
I also have the problem where multiple artists in the ARTIST tag cause
SC to list albums for an album artist where that artist does not appear
in the ALBUMARTIST tag even though I have List albums by band set.
For example, under the artist Me'Shell NdegéOcello, I have an album
listed called Kish
All songs labelled with: artist, albumartist, album.
Example 3 versions of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition
labeled like:
album: unique name for each
albumartist: Mussorgsky (same for every song on each of the 3
albums)
artist: different for each one:
Mussorgsky/conductor1
Hi
I have placed a long (and probably somewhat tedious) sticky post
regarding tagging the albumartist field and how it impacts on
SqueezeCenter/Duet, Sonos and TwonkyMedia. If you use it for all
albums, SC and Sonos see it as the Artist. If you use it for all but a
few albums, any without an
Example: in my Duet controller under artist-John Lennon/albums, I get
All of John Lennon's solo albums in my Library, plus all the Beatles
albums on which he composed a song!
I know that is what the Duet is doing b/c in the artist - John
Lennon/albums the Beatles albums are listed, but the song
Phil,
Just out of curiosity, how do you deal with extra performances like for
instance Christmas songs?
If you browse to Artists-Louis Armstrong-Play All Songs are you happy
with playing a mix of Jazz, Christmas and Disney songs? (Just an example
:-) ).
The way I had worked this around was to
Just out of curiosity, how do you deal with extra performances like for
instance Christmas songs?
Artists-[artist-name]-Play All Songs should always play all songs. I don't
often want to play all songs from a single artist, but when I do, that is what
I do, because how else would you do it?
UPDATE #1:
Just spotted something that may cause the problem - the FLAC codec used for 10
Things I Hate About You is ref lib v1.1.2 and the Ministry Of Sound is v1.2.0.
Could this be the cause of it?
UPDATE #2:
Re-encoded some tracks from the 10 Things I Hate About You album and guess
what?
If I was responsible for SC development
and most people exposed to the software would come back with comments
like Why there is only one song in this album? or Why is there a
Louis Armstrong album under Ella Fitzgerald my conclusion would be
that the software is not as intuitive as it should be.
Phil, First of all I really appreciate the time you are taking to
discuss this issue, to the benefit all SC users.
Philip Meyer;382780 Wrote:
Also semantically makes no sense to me. I am browsing by artist and
under an artist it shows that artist's albums plus some other
artist's
albums!
Philip Meyer;382284 Wrote:
What I get in Squeeze in the Album list is 2 entries for the album:
10 Things I Hate About You
10 Things I Hate About You
Are all tracks for the album in the same folder? If they are not and
if there is not a COMPILATION tag, they will be considered different
JJZolx;382383 Wrote:
Can't do it. SqueezeCenter is designed to work this way.
I am not sure wheter it is by design or it just happened by accident.
Since there are no specifications written in advance to hold the design
and implementation against we can only assume the functionalities in
Still multiple entries shown in the Album view.
I'm a bit confused as to what your actual problem is - what you want to be
displayed.
I think you are saying that you see two albums, instead of the tracks merged
into one. This underlying issue is due to the tracks being in different
folders,
Also semantically makes no sense to me. I am browsing by artist and
under an artist it shows that artist's albums plus some other artist's
albums! Like showing a Frank Sinatra album under Aretha Franklin.
Makes perfect sense to me. Browsing an artist shows all music by that artist.
Songs
Philip Meyer;382762 Wrote:
Still multiple entries shown in the Album view.
I'm a bit confused as to what your actual problem is - what you want to
be displayed.
I think you are saying that you see two albums, instead of the tracks
merged into one. This underlying issue is due to the
Thanks for all your answers, but I am getting terribly confused. Let's
take one of my albums:
Frank Sinatra's Duets. Albumartist is Frank Sinatra and songs are:
1. Title: The Lady Is A Tramp. Artist: Frank Sinatra, Luther VandRoss
2. Title: What Now My Love. Artist: Frank Sinatra, Aretha
Aguida;381666 Wrote:
I have been running on 7.1 for sometime without any problem, but I have
decided to give 7.3.2 a try and noticed that the behaviour related to
the AlbumArtist tag is changed and in fact (at least from my point of
view) it is broken now.
It used to be in such a way that
I want to see this album only under Frank Sinatra. It doesn't make
sense to have it mentioned under Aretha Franklin. I have already 30+
albums by Aretha Franklin and adding one more with only one song for
which she is just in a duet it's really not interesting.
When browsing for all music by
If you can give me any advice Philip, much appreciated.
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Will try the above.
I've not set any compilation flag and they are in separate
directories.
It's definitely album artist that I've set not albumartist so I will
give this a try and see what happens.
Will keep you posted.
cheers.
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Aguida;382196 Wrote:
Thanks for all your answers, but I am getting terribly confused. Let's
take one of my albums:
Frank Sinatra's Duets. Albumartist is Frank Sinatra and songs are:
1. Title: The Lady Is A Tramp. Artist: Frank Sinatra, Luther VandRoss
2. Title: What Now My Love. Artist:
I have been running on 7.1 for sometime without any problem, but I have
decided to give 7.3.2 a try and noticed that the behaviour related to
the AlbumArtist tag is changed and in fact (at least from my point of
view) it is broken now.
It used to be in such a way that if I had specified an
Aguida;381666 Wrote:
I have been running on 7.1 for sometime without any problem, but I have
decided to give 7.3.2 a try and noticed that the behaviour related to
the AlbumArtist tag is changed and in fact (at least from my point of
view) it is broken now.
It's still working okay for me.
Philip Meyer;381706 Wrote:
It's still working okay for me.
There's an option to list songs by each artist, or Group compilation
albums together. You need to pick the later. This should not require
a rescan.
Track artists (artists that are contributors when there is an album
artist
Aguida;381666 Wrote:
I have been running on 7.1 for sometime without any problem, but I have
decided to give 7.3.2 a try and noticed that the behaviour related to
the AlbumArtist tag is changed and in fact (at least from my point of
view) it is broken now.
I haven't noticed any change in
Thanks, but what you describe is exactly not how it used to work.
It is exactly how it has always worked for me.
Adding the AlbumArtist tag use to override the normal behaviour and
only list the album under the albumartist (whatever that would be)
but not under the track artists (not even if
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