How Industry Intends To Kill The 'Net As We Know It
Jeff Chester is executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy.
The Internets promise as a new medium -- where text, audio, video and
data can be freely exchanged -- is under attack by the corporations that
control the publics
J. van Baardwijk wrote:
Islam itself is a religion of peace and tolerance; it is the words
and actions of a few fanatics who give Islam a bad reputation. Look
beyond that.
One of the key differences is that among most other religions, the good guys
actually appear to have the capacity and
Actually, David is on nomail until Nov. 2. (I knew this would happen.)
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On
Behalf Of Erik Reuter
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:31 AM
Protocols of the elders of zion tv series:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/26/international/middleeast/26CAIR.html?ex=
1036296000en=8a3c5fa70f4dbb7fei=5062partner=GOOGLE
Note the extra data after the URL, that means you CAN bypass registration
with this link.
http://www.emory.edu/central/NEWS/Releases/bellesiles1035563546.html
October 25, 2002
Robert A. Paul, Interim Dean of Emory College
I have accepted the resignation of Michael Bellesiles from his position as
Professor of History at Emory University, effective December 31, 2002.
Although we
From: Joe Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Italian author slams Islam's 'hate' for West Date: Fri, 25 Oct
2002 18:48:44 -0400
I would like to believe it's just a few fanatics who give Islam a bad
reputation. However the roaring silence of the so called majority
speaks volumes about where
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=17164
Church, town force shop owner to ditch 'Geno is God' sign
By The Associated Press
10.26.02
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EAST HARTFORD, Conn. There was only one problem with Ken Bernacky's
GENO IS GOD sign. He put it up across the
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: corporations
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:39:17PM -0500, The Fool wrote:
To achieve this, the cable industry, which sells Internet access to
most
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From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Italian author slams Islam's 'hate' for West
Are you really that intolerant, or just extremely ignorant?
Your problem with John was exactly what?
How Industry Intends To Kill The 'Net As We Know It
How interesting. I've just commented this on another list.
All useful and informative sites are dying, being replaced
by payed or restricted services. Even the IMDB is devolving
into a IMDBPro :-/
Death to Capitalism!
Alberto Monteiro
Jon Gabriel wrote:
But the Muslims didn't start it recently in Bosnia or Sarajevo, did they?
Ask any serbian, and he will answer with an emphatic _Yes_.
Alberto Monteiro The Contrarian
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 01:08:05PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I got fiber within 50 feet of me and most of us here in Houston are
within 100yards.
You expect the photons to magically jump from the fiber to your
computer, which will then magically convert it to an electronic signal?
Any
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: corporations
It is. It is pretty much the definition of how a free-market economy
works to develop and utilize a limited resource.
Well thats pretty
I'm responding to Debbie's post first because it deals more with the
question at hand and less with list conflict than another poster that I'll
respond to.
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From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 02:28:44PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: corporations
It is. It is pretty much the definition of how a free-market
The moral of this story is: 1. Don't mess with the National Rifle
Association. 2. If you do mess with them, make damn sure you have your
facts right before you publish anything.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]
On Behalf Of Robert
At 18:44 24-10-2002 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
To do real-world tests of dinging, someone has to ding (the dinger)
someone else (the dingee). The dinger's messages slow down somewhat, the
dingee's messages slow down more. Then we see what happens to the
discussion. At the moment, I'm really
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On
Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk
...
And finally, this whole dinging system in the setup you describe
sounds to
me like a first step towards this list becoming a moderated list.
Make that a
At 18:48 25-10-2002 -0400, Joe Hale wrote:
I would like to believe it's just a few fanatics who give Islam a bad
reputation. However the roaring silence of the so called majority
speaks volumes about where their sympathy lies.
Bullshit. In the US, fanatical pro-life Christians have been
--- Jean-Louis Couturier wrote:
I'm going to a Hallowe'en party this weekend. My
potential costumes include
Harry Potter's Hagrid, a bearded lady or just a
plain old mummy.
Anybody else getting dressed up in the next few
days?
Tonight, in fact - once again going as a 14th century
lady.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Especially if you down an entire fifth of scotch
in that manner.
Funny. Why do I think a Jophur would prefer vodka or
uso [sp?]
I _think_ it's uzo or uzzo, if you're referring to the
anise/licorice - flavored Mediterranean liquor.
At 12:31 26-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
That would mean that I am one of very few people on this list who have
a *functioning* short-term memory...
No...It means that most people on this list forgive small human
errors, errors of judgement, and general silliness, while they
At 23:56 25-10-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote:
No. When you have a discussion with someone, you need to agree on common
definitions for terms.
The disagreement was not about the *common* definition of the word; the
disagreement was about whether or not an alternative meaning of a word has
to
At 13:19 26-10-2002 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
And finally, this whole dinging system in the setup you describe sounds
to me like a first step towards this list becoming a moderated list.
Make that a *self*-moderated list.
I must respectfully disagree with you, at least in part. Sure, the
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: corporations
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 02:28:44PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Joe Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: Michael Bellesiles Resigns from Emory Faculty
The moral of this story is: 1. Don't mess with the National Rifle
Association. 2. If you do mess with
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 05:18:16PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
non-anonymous ding = 0.1 ding (because it *should* cost you to ding
someone)
anonymous ding = 0.3 ding (because it should cost you more to be
anonymous)
(This is somewhat proctonumerological. Take with as much salt as
J. van Baardwijk wrote:
At 18:48 25-10-2002 -0400, Joe Hale wrote:
I would like to believe it's just a few fanatics who give Islam
a bad reputation. However the roaring silence of the so called
majority speaks volumes about where their sympathy lies.
Bullshit. In the US, fanatical pro-life
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From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Question for everyone
At 12:31 26-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
That would mean that I am one of very few people on this list who have
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On
Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk
...
Make that a *self*-moderated list.
I must respectfully disagree with you, at least in part. Sure,
the dinging
system might prevent people from making a major nuisance
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 04:55:59PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
action - although, as I mentioned before, if definite proof could be
found of SH's involvement with the Oklahoma City bombing or the Towers
attacks, we'd be justified in hunting him to his death.
Did you know Saddam has offered
At 11:56 AM 10/25/02, Julia Thompson wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
Note that JDG's and Jean-Louis' posts had brin: in the subject
line. Those messages were being forwarded to David Brin, who asked
not to have any messages sent to him (unless urgent) until after the
election.
Actually, JDG has
At 05:19 PM 10/25/02, William Taylor wrote:
In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:02:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Especially if you down an entire fifth of scotch in that manner.
Funny. Why do I think a Jophur would prefer vodka or uso [sp?]
ouzo?
--Ronn! :)
I
At 09:43 AM 10/25/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote:
At 21:21 24-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
The eventual accomplishment would be John Giorgis cleaning up his act
and starting to behave like a civilised adult.
Whatever it was that John did (long forgotten by almost everyone by now)
In a message dated 10/26/2002 6:57:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Funny. Why do I think a Jophur would prefer vodka or uso [sp?]
ouzo?
I thought ouzo was the closest thing to alcoholic mulch.
William Taylor
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I thought this might be a good time to offer general parenting advise for
those list members who have small children. I've noticed three things from
my near quarter century of parenting.
1) The single most difficult task for parents to teach children is to
accept responsibility for their own
In a message dated 10/26/2002 6:58:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dumb question: Is there some special reason DB is busy between now and
election day? Like, is he running for office or something and some of us
are unaware of the fact?
I think Elvis has left
--- Sonja wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- The Fool wrote:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002102203771500.htm
Mr. Amis was dubbed as the latest recruit to the
Islam-bashing'' circle of western writers for
telling
The Times in an interview that the key to radical
Islam is
--- Erik Reuter wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
non-anonymous ding = 0.1 ding (because it
*should* cost you to ding someone)
anonymous ding = 0.3 ding (because it should
cost you more to be anonymous)
...Anyway, I will say that those numbers are MUCH
too low. It shouldn't be cheap to
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 08:12:48PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Why, if the 'vigilante's' sacrifice is to be at least as much as the
'offender', would a transparent ding get TWO demerits? Wouldn't _one_
be at least as much? :o
Wouldn't 2 be at least as much 1? Why make it easy to ding
--- Erik Reuter wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
- although, as I mentioned before, if
definite proof could be
found of SH's involvement with the Oklahoma City
bombing or the Towers
attacks, we'd be justified in hunting him to his
death.
Did you know Saddam has offered monetary rewards
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
At 11:56 AM 10/25/02, Julia Thompson wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
Note that JDG's and Jean-Louis' posts had brin: in the subject
line. Those messages were being forwarded to David Brin, who asked
not to have any messages sent to him (unless urgent) until after
Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
Dumb question: Is there some special reason DB is busy between now and
election day? Like, is he running for office or something and some of us
are unaware of the fact?
I don't think so. I think he's just taking a trip until just about
Erik Reuter wrote:
On
This is a GOOD thing. Bandwidth costs money to provide, and is a limited
resource. It makes perfect sense to charge based on how much bandwidth
is used, that is how a free market works. If you try to suppress the
law of supply and demand, you get shortages and outages,
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 08:43:04PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
By the criteria you propose, wouldn't the US also have to act against
Saudi Arabia, whose nationals have (I think) funded more terrorism, in
both Isreal and the US, than Saddam?
You always seem to have a roundabout excuse for
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From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: corporations
Erik Reuter wrote:
On
This is a GOOD thing. Bandwidth costs money to provide, and is a limited
resource. It makes perfect sense to charge
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: corporations
Erik Reuter wrote:
On
This is a GOOD thing. Bandwidth costs money to provide, and is a limited
resource. It makes perfect
--- Erik Reuter wrote:
snip
You always seem to have a roundabout excuse for
doing nothing rather than addressing the issue.
Then I shall cease this particular discussion.
Debbi
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- Original Message -
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff
--- Erik Reuter wrote:
snip
You always seem to have a roundabout excuse for
doing nothing rather than addressing the
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:20:20PM -0700, Doug wrote:
I'm not trying to be a wise guy, just wondering what the difference is.
The difference is that cable tv sends the same data to everyone, i.e.,
the backbones only need to carry one copy of the data which is virtually
the same for all
- Original Message -
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: The UN
At 16:01 22-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
The why was not adressed to that part of your statement. It was
adressed
to whether letting
At 09:33 PM 10/26/02, Dan Minette wrote:
I thought this might be a good time to offer general parenting advise for
those list members who have small children. I've noticed three things from
my near quarter century of parenting.
1) The single most difficult task for parents to teach children is
At 09:15 PM 10/26/02, William Taylor wrote:
In a message dated 10/26/2002 6:57:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Funny. Why do I think a Jophur would prefer vodka or uso [sp?]
ouzo?
I thought ouzo was the closest thing to alcoholic mulch.
I thought it was
At 11:20 PM 10/26/02, Doug wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
On
This is a GOOD thing. Bandwidth costs money to provide, and is a limited
resource. It makes perfect sense to charge based on how much bandwidth
is used, that is how a free market works. If you try to suppress the
law of supply and
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:20:20PM -0700, Doug wrote:
I'm not trying to be a wise guy, just wondering what the difference is.
The difference is that cable tv sends the same data to everyone, i.e.,
the backbones only need to carry one copy of the data which is virtually
--- Dan Minette wrote:
snip
I do have some nuance differences with
you that I'd like to explore, and I thought we were
pleasantly conversing.
At least you were being reasonable about it; I'm too
close to me to be
impartial concerning how reasonable I am. :-)
Our conversation is pleasant,
At 11:42 PM 10/26/02, William Taylor wrote:
Ten dings = one dong
And 10 dongs = 1 dung?
--Ronn! :)
I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
--Dr. Jerry Pournelle
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On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:07:08AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
substance happens. Now there are other countries who are democracies, such
as China or Italy that are on it too, but it makes sense that areas
^
Huh? I know you didn't mean China, but I can't guess who you did mean.
--
Dan wrote:
Since we have a list member who has mail bombed, and has threatened
lawsuits, and has, perhaps in jest, threatened violence, I think
that is
reasonable.
Just let me know when I can start wif da mad dingin', yo?
Adam C. Lipscomb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Silence. I am watching television.
Erik Reuter wrote:
To use Nick's favorite phrase, that is a straw man. I haven't heard
anyone but you suggesting going after every bad guy. What is your point?
The point is obvious. If the way to combat terrorism and the threat of
WMD is to attack and subdue sovereign nations, it would
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The Russian authorities have begun negotiations with Chechen rebels
who have seized a Moscow theatre and are holding hundreds of people
hostage.
As a kid in Soviet Latvia I was taught (sp) that if I will ever be taken
hostage, I'll be a hero
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