Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Robert Seeberger
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Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:16:20PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Sounds like they would fit Erik's conditions perfectly. Nope. Keep trying. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: TI interpreation of QM

2003-07-23 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:41:25PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Obviously, this cannot be falsified. Which invokes a significant problem for realism. No, no problem. I have seen you complicate lots of things by imposing your interpretation on them, and you say there are contortions when they are

Paul Gigot on the Marsh Arabs

2003-07-23 Thread John D. Giorgis
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003775 But the shock for a first time visitor to Iraq is that the destruction committed by Saddam's tyranny is so much worse than advertised. As Stalin did with the Kulaks, the Sunni Saddam then sought to erase the entire Arab Shiite

Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

2003-07-23 Thread Robert J. Chassell
But wait, the endcaps don't need to be warm for humans. In fact, we would like them to be quite cold at the center, around 40C to 50C colder than the rim, in order to give the air a decent lapse rate and keep the atmosphere stabile. Perhaps we do want the endcaps cold, but

Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

2003-07-23 Thread Robert J. Chassell
... there is no thermodynamic limit on the efficiency, heat pumped over work input, of a heat pump that is pumping heat from a higher T region to a lower T region I don't understand. I thought that Carnot first discovered that the limit on thermodynamic efficiency has to do with

Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

2003-07-23 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:57:11PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote: But wait, the endcaps don't need to be warm for humans. In fact, we would like them to be quite cold at the center, around 40C to 50C colder than the rim, in order to give the air a decent lapse rate and keep

Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats

2003-07-23 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:12:34PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote: ... there is no thermodynamic limit on the efficiency, heat pumped over work input, of a heat pump that is pumping heat from a higher T region to a lower T region I don't understand. I thought that Carnot

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread William T Goodall
On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 06:08 am, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Science and knowledge The purpose of science is not to help us understand reality; it is

saving the net

2003-07-23 Thread The Fool
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6989 How to get past the intellectual and political logjams that threaten Linux and the Net. At the same time that media concentration restrictions are being removed, such that three companies will own everything, so too are neutrality restrictions

Rumsfeld's personal spy ring

2003-07-23 Thread The Fool
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/07/16/intelligence/index_np.html Rumsfeld's personal spy ring The defense secretary couldn't count on the CIA or the State Department to provide a pretext for war in Iraq. So he created a new agency that would tell him what he wanted to hear. - - - - - - -

vv Vs the Environment: ozone treaty

2003-07-23 Thread The Fool
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=425893 Bush ready to wreck ozone layer treaty US slips in demand to drop ban on harmful pesticide By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor 20 July 2003 President George Bush is targeting the international treaty to save the ozone

Angel series 5 (Spoilers)

2003-07-23 Thread William T Goodall
From http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue326/news.html Spoilers about series 5 casting and stuff. S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E Joss Whedon, co-creator of The WB's Angel, told SCI FI Wire that former Buffy the Vampire Slayer supporting

Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-23 Thread John D. Giorgis
July 21, 2003, 11:00 a.m. Lies about Iraqi Nukes Mark R. Levin National Review Online On December 16, 1998, Bill Clinton informed the nation that he had ordered military action against Iraq. No less than three times Clinton referred to Iraq's nuclear arms or nuclear program. Example 1:

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Hmm, what about astronomy? Centuries of looking at the skies, yet quasars/pulsars weren't discovered until the 60's Not a good example. If we had a pulsar right next to us, and we studied it for decades, but never

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Hey! What about the astronomy example I gave in my first post this thread: And for an even longer timeframe from observance to 'scientific revision,' look at the change from an Earth-centered to a sun-centered system!

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think of 'religious experiences' etc. as a broad feild, sigh Should be *field* of course; I'm sure someone could come up with a good definition for 'feild' if they wanted to... :P Did anyone else think of 'the Dark Side of the Force' given

Re: TI interpreation of QM

2003-07-23 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TI interpreation of QM Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:41:38 -0400 On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 01:41:25PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Obviously, this cannot be

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science and knowledge Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Hey! What about

Clinton on Uranium-gate

2003-07-23 Thread Bryon Daly
Bill Clinton called in to wish Bob Dole happy birthday on Larry King and had some excellent comments on the whole SoU flap... http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/22/lkl.00.html Here's the relevant part: - KING: President, maybe I can get an area where you may

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science and knowledge Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think of 'religious experiences'

Re: Clinton on Uranium-gate

2003-07-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Clinton called in to wish Bob Dole happy birthday on Larry King and had some excellent comments on the whole SoU flap... As a Republican who doesn't give a flying frel about peoples personal relationships etc. I certainly do miss that man's

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-23 Thread David Hobby
John D. Giorgis wrote: ... On December 16, 1998, Bill Clinton informed the nation that he had ordered military action against Iraq. No less than three times Clinton referred to Iraq's nuclear arms or nuclear program. Example 1: Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike

Weekly Chat Reminder

2003-07-23 Thread Steve Sloan II
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it started a little over an hour ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Science and knowledge On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 06:08 am, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From:

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The problem is that you are comparing a situation where we have a lot of measurements and interaction with the element of interest and have found NOTHING to

Re: Paul Gigot on the Marsh Arabs

2003-07-23 Thread TomFODW
Many on the political left have been reluctant to concede the special brutality of Saddam, as if admitting that truth would justify a war they opposed. Some genocides are apparently more equal than others. It's true that America can't right every wrong, or depose every dictator. But the U.S.

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Russell Chapman
Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're gonna run a scam on this scale, you'd think they'd at least bother to register a domain name and redirect mail through it to his netscape address. An address like

RE: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Chad Cooper
This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH -Original Message- From: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Fw: Congratuations

New Xponent picture

2003-07-23 Thread Steve Sloan II
I've added a new picture to the memberpix site: A picture of Rob from 1975, with a 'fro to rival young Armin's: http://www.sloan3d.com/cgi-bin/memberpix.cgi?person=xponent :-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-23 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/21/2003 12:06:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This, of course, was a totally unreasonable presumpion regarding intelligence from our British allies, which they had strongly vouched for in response to US questions. But of course this statement was

Re: Death of Saddam's Sons

2003-07-23 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd hate to start a war of our own, but was this *really* necessary? Just pondering different points of view.. JJ Your particular objection to what happened being? What point of view that objected to what happened to those two pieces of

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Russell Chapman
Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-23 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But of course this statement was carefully crafted. The CIA could not confirm the allegation so the speech writers found language that the CIA could live with. So this was not simply a statement of fact. The speech writer came up with a phrase that would shield

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science and knowledge Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:49:12 -0700 (PDT) --- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Science and knowledge LOL! I'm old enough to remember that I owned Spiderman, Superman, Star Wars and ET Underoos when I was little. :-) As for what

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science and knowledge Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:46:54 -0500 - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:27:44AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? I'm just guessing, but maybe a con man could figure out a

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-23 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think statements indicating that the administration is obviously telling the truth and that anyone not agreeing this is either what? stupid? venal? totally naive? totally cynical? Taken advantage of by people more interested in political power than the national

AOL has problems

2003-07-23 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32817-2003Jul23?language=printer America Online's subscriber base plunged by 846,000 over the past three months, as hundreds of thousands left for cheaper or faster Internet connections, and a similar number were pruned from the roster because they had

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Russell Chapman wrote: Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the

Re: AOL has problems

2003-07-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32817-2003Jul23?language=printer America Online's subscriber base plunged by 846,000 over the past three months, as hundreds of thousands left for cheaper or faster Internet connections, and a similar number were pruned from

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Michael Harney
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're gonna run a scam on this scale, you'd think they'd at least bother to register a domain name and redirect mail

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Russell Chapman wrote: Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-23 Thread David Hobby
Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... A lot of it probably has to do with collapse of an ideology. September 11th was the deathknell of the modern American left. It simply had no meaningful response to the attack other than to suggest - either openly or by implication - that the United States had

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-23 Thread Bryon Daly
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But of course this statement was carefully crafted. The CIA could not confirm the allegation so the speech writers found language that the CIA could live with. So this was not simply a statement of fact. The speech writer came up with a phrase that would shield the

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-23 Thread David Hobby
Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're

Re: AOL has problems

2003-07-23 Thread Damon
But are the accounting/legal problems worse than WorldCom's were? Julia dealt with MCI/WorldCom billing, burned the t-shirt Hee hee hee! I used to to collections for Worldcomm! That was...educational... Damon. Damon Agretto

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-23 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: I think the key to reconciling this with the general description of physicists as mostly realists is the shut up and calculate statement of Feynman. It is an acknowledgement that there is no good realistic explanation for how QM works. It deliberately tables the question;

Re: AOL has problems

2003-07-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
My initial reaction to the subject line: No ***, Sherlock . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___