Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the world simply isn't able to provide soldiers as most 1st world countries have been cutting back to basically a defence force, and there have been enough friendly fire incidents in joint task forces in the past to

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JDG asked: The survey, of 2,011 international travelers in 16 countries, was conducted by RT Strategies, a Virginia-based polling firm, for the Discover America Partnership, a group launched in September with

Re: Iraq

2006-11-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The single most effective thing we can do to reduce the threat of terrorism is to leave Iraq and other Middle Eastern nations. We can't change our energy requirements overnight, but the energy policy of the Bush administration has led us

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have covered this ground earlier, before the

Energy Independence Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, either your proposing tripling the price of oil in this country, or you are proposing a policy with about as much near-term relevance for energy independence as drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. I remember

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no question that we are walking right up to the line, and a decently strong case that we are crossing that line, but I'm not sure that any previous generation has hestitated to walk right up to the line and

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I'd be curious to see the methodology first. It probably was just an ill-designed survey Well, I'll give you what information I have and you can see if you can hunt down the methodology. This is what the articles say: The

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's failure of imagination and my recognition of the same makes me responsible for Saddam's crimes, or

Afghanistan Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world was with you on Afghanistan. You should have finished the job properly. Sorry, Charlie, but the world was *not* with us on Afghanistan.Oh sure, they were there in word - but the world was painfully short of the

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the deaths currently occuring in Iraq. Cite, please. I don't recall anybody making any such argument. Nick Ok 11/22 at 12:37am according to Yahoo! ---

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This strikes me as classic generational arrogance - the old saw that *our generation* dealt with threats much more sensibly than the young'uns out there. Only if you are viewing it from a purely American perspective and are under

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if I understand you correctly, your favored strategy in dealing with Al Qaeda would be to: -Withdraw immediately from Iraq I'd give it six months, withdrawing gradually. And would you still blame us for the number of

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we are not stiffening our spines and holding our jaws up sufficiently. And what happens when the

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And nobody knows how many Iraqis have been killed by the non-American, non-Iraqi actors either. But what I do know is that the distinction made by you is not being made by the majority of the world. If Iraqis are killing Iraqis at a

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but does anyone remember the red scare, McCarthyism, the missile gap, air raid drills in schools, backyard nuclear shelters, the Sputnik gap, We Will Bury You, the domino theory, managed decline, etc.? Yet

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote: And so there are some f*ckers out there who have been responsible for acts of terror causing the deaths of a few hundred people worldwide on top of the WTC attacks.

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And compared to just about any other cause of death you can think of, terrorism is way way down the list. This reminds me of an article I read this morning - international travellers were polled and it turns out that most consider US

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This strikes me as classic generational arrogance - the old saw that *our generation* dealt with threats much more sensibly than the young'uns out there. I like to delude myself that I'm in the same generation as you, so

Re: Heroes mid-season climax tonight

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the series works like this: The season is sectioned into 3 pods. The first pod, Episodes 1 through 11 are one story. Episodes 12 through 18 tell another section of the story. Finally Episodes 19 through 23 will be

Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia. etc. And how does that 13+ years of attacks compare to just the last month in Iraq? I dunno, how many Iraqis did the US kill last month? And how many Iraqis did Iraqis kill? JDG

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas some of us see that as a subset of the threat posed by militant Islamic extremists in general. And while AQ staged the most successful attack on US soil in Sep 2001, the threat is worldwide. And still others of us see

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all for bombing the crap out of bad guys and killers, and showing fools just exactly what they are. It is kinda hard to do that when you cower in fear and/or harbor illusions about what it is you fear. But that is the

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When it becomes plain that the whole idea of terror is to scare someone, then a look at our *rhetorical* reactions shows that we are not stiffening our spines and holding our jaws up sufficiently. And what happens when the

Iran Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why do reports about Iran's nuclear program [any of them, from those which claim disaster looms a few months ahead to those which claim that nuclear capability is nearly a decade away]cause such a lot of alarm? Our intelligence said

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-21 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is likely you missed a few. But even including a lot extra just for overkill, how many does that add up to? Compared to 300,000,000 Americans and 6,000,000,000 people worldwide. Looking at the numbers it *is*

Re: Why junk email will NEVER go away.

2006-11-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last April, I created an email address to use for my mom at H R Block. I only used that address for that one specific reason. I never posted it or used it for ANYTHING else. Since April, that email address has received just under

Re: More on How left/right is your congress-critter

2006-11-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, Offered without much study, because it is 4AM and I'm only awake because something at work is going rather badly, but while waiting for something to deploy, I found this: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

2006-11-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is something I and others were saying in late 2001/early 2002. The panic from the world's most powerful people was baffling. It was like watching a giant weightlifter get bitten by a tiny ant and acting as if a shark had

Re: Bad intelligence

2006-11-12 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you ask a question that has a LITERAL meaning that you didn't intend, someone here WILL take it literally and call you on it, one way or another. If only I believed that were true. Based on Nick's reaction, its my

Re: Polygamy in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there are polygamous stable partnerships already. They're rare, but they do exist in the West, and in other parts of the world they're more common. We do have quite a few of them in this country, and unfortunately, all too

Re: Bad intelligence

2006-11-10 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett narnett@ wrote: You didn't ask what George Bush would do if he were president, which would be silly, since he is. You asked what *I* would do. I haven't been elected, so I'd

Re: Bad intelligence

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the kind of political discussions such as the ones we have here are also a healthy sign. You mean like the discussion that produced this exchange? O.k., Nick - you've been made President of the United States.

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter, well why not? *shrug* Provided people make provision for the children of such unions (adopted, fostered or biological), what

Re: Bad intelligence

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of the new democrats elected are significantly more conservative than the democrats of old and it seems clear to me that people like Is this really true? One of the biggest upsets of Tuesday night was in New

Re: Bad intelligence

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't ask what George Bush would do if he were president, which would be silly, since he is. You asked what *I* would do. I haven't been elected, so I'd resign. Do you really not understand that I simply don't want

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter, well why not? *shrug* Provided people make provision for the

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-07 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or is it moral, just and a good idea to treat someone differently because of their sexual orientation? Maybe I'm being a bit pedantic, but everyone in New Jersey was and is free to marry, regardless of their sexual

Re: Week 9 NFL Picks

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's got a long way to go to prove that to me. You can put up gaudy numbers and win a lot of regular season games (Dan Marino and the young John Elway) but you don't achieve greatness in football in the regular season. Montana, the

Re: Heroes Spoilers as of 11/5

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING***SPOILERS (And not necessarily all that accurate - rob) Claire's dad isn't the bad guy, here, though he was set up as such. Not saying he's nice, either, but he's not hellbent on destruction

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing the server problems with Brin-L ate the end of the previous thread on this topic, but I still haven't heard a good argument for discrimination on gender preference for marriage. Except that the previous thread

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recognizing that the law may occasionally be immoral, unjust, or just plain a bad idea So we agree then that the NJ ruling was legit? No. Or is it moral, just and a good idea to treat someone differently because of their sexual

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan wrote: I think his point is that the principal of rule by law indicates that sometimes we must accept laws that are immoral, unjust, or bad ideas. Yes, I misread the post, sorry. First, thank you to Dan for explaining my

Re: Judicial Activism

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a few initial questions that I have. First, are you arguing for original intent, or do you accept judicial history as law? For example, do you think the Supreme Court is legally obliged to overturn 140 or so years of

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the single-biggest difference between liberals who advocate judicial activism and conservatives who advocate judicial restraint. The former seem to take the position that Court decisions can be driven by whether

Re: Those who can't, teach

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Nick, in your mind is it democratic to get elected after counting ballots in predominantly Democratic areas one way and counting ballots in predominantly Republican areas another way? Moreover, Nick, do you consider the

Re: Those who can't, teach

2006-11-03 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean you think Dibold is going to allow the Dems to win control of the Congress? In a word: Yes. I'm no fan of electronic voting, but my personal prediction as that even with the Kerry October Surprise that the Republicans get

Re: Those who can't, teach

2006-11-03 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/2/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O.k., Nick - you've been made President of the United States. What's your Iraq policy? To stop teaching the Iraqi police and military? Anything else? Resign, since

Re: Those who can't, teach

2006-11-02 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So... yesterday the administration admitted that we'll have to stay longer in Iraq so that we have more time to train more Iraqi police and military to take over what our troops are doing. Let's see... we have failed to make

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's look at that. The Bill of Rights are amendments to the Constitution. Article V of the US Constitution gives two means of amending the Constitution. One of these, the constitutional convention, has yet to be used

Re: Obama's New Rules

2006-10-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.slate.com/id/2152252?GT1=8702 7. The bubble must pop. Skeptics note that we've been through swoons like this before-including for McCain in 2000. Obama could turn out to be just another liberal fad, like

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The NJSC decision in a nutshell is that it ordered the NJ Legislature to either: 1) Create gay marriages 2) Create gay civil unions that are identical to marriages in every way, save for the word marriage.

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/10/2006, at 11:12 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority. So the views of the Founding Fathers

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting idea - but I somehow think that abolishing legal marriage isn't going to be a wildly popular idea Well, it's a good job that's not what I said. I said separate the legal and religious portions. How does

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. So much for well-reasoned Yes, those are anecdotal, of course. But did we forget the wee matter of 155 Senate votes on veterans issues since 9/11? Or is that just 155 anecdotes?

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JDG wrote: Noticing that nobody bothered to respond to my last questions I can't speak for everyone else, but I personally don't know much about a progressive income tax's Constitutionality. The progressive income tax is a

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather constitutional rights are drafted in a democratic process, by the majority, to be a future, binding restriction on the majority. So the views of the Founding Fathers which prevailed were those of the majority,

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what on earth is your problem with the ruling, as you seem to agree with it. I am appalled at the way it was handed down. I've looked over a bit of the decision, and the ruling is even more twisted that I had thought. First,

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you consider maneuvering outside of the democratic process to get what you want to be a good-sized win. Yeah ... why, it's almost as outrageous as gerrymandering, isn't it? The people of New Jersey never voted for

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further proof that you can make Congressional voting records say *anything*. Nothing like a well-reasoned refutation. Before you totally dismissed this, did you try Googling something like republicans support veterans to see

Katrina Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan mistergibson@ wrote: I can't agree with you. Let me count the ways... no, I don't have that kind of time. I started listing the grand follies I could foresee even watching the 2000 campaign

Re: Heroes [SPOILERS Through 10/23]

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Most of the things I'm reading call him Horned Rim Glasses Man or HRG for short (or sometimes HRM). Does that mean that he's not the same person as Mr. Linderman? ___

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call the legal arrangement a civil partnership or suchlike *for every couple*, and the marriage the associated ceremony which would have no legal standing in and of itself. That way we can all get the legal protections we need

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-26 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like the NJ SC is not willing to push the Full Faith and Credit issue. But I imagine it's a good-sized win for gay rights activists. If you consider maneuvering outside of the democratic process to get what you want

Re: Heroes [SPOILERS Through 10/23]

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiro is definately my favorite character of the series, followed by the Indian professors son. Last week I was arguing that the guy from the future might not be Hiro, but this week it is plain that he is indeed Hiro. The

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/10/2006, at 2:16 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: How about: E) Global warming, caused by greedy oil company executives in cahoots with a Republican President. Hmmm. While Bush has an appalling environmental

Re: Who REALLY supports the troops

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America analyzed Senate voting records to see who really supports veterans -- 155 votes since 9/11. The results might surprise you if you imagined that the party that took us into these wars is

Re: Gay Unions in NJ

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From http://www.blogs.nj.com/newsupdates/slnewsupdates/default.asp?item=24630\ 6 (the Newark Star-Ledger reporting) An excerpt: The New Jersey Supreme Court ruled today that the state Constitution entitles same-sex couples to

Re: Oops, not disappointing -- discouraging!

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you arguing here? and then. So, Mr Braveheart. Content with being a real hero - but only when you play one online? and then.. I'm more interested in whatever became of the Anthrax poisoning of a few key

Re: Oops, not disappointing -- discouraging!

2006-10-25 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he had chemical WMDs when we invaded, then the president of the United States misled the entire country this morning. He was discouraged that Saddam didn't *still* have WMDs, apparently. Unless, of course, those weapons

Re: Heroes

2006-10-24 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys watching this show? So far it has been great! I tuned in for the marathon on Sunday for the first time, and have last night's episode on tape. I definitely enjoyed the three episodes on Sunday night - but

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-24 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't agree with you. Let me count the ways... no, I don't have that kind of time. I started listing the grand follies I could foresee even watching the 2000 campaign from Amsterdam, but the actual blooded tragedy list out-does

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-24 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 22, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:27 AM Sunday 10/22/2006, pencimen wrote: For those few of us who saw the disaster that is Bush coming, While some voted for Bush primarily because they thought

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-23 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presuming that you would describe the fear of your grandmother being forced to live in a cardboard box on the street and eat dogfood for lunch if Republicans are elected to be principle rather than personal safety. The

The Assumption Re: 9/11 conspiracies

2006-10-23 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all. The Assumption is interesting because it is a two- fer. If you disagree with this dogma, then by definition, you also have to disagree with the dogma of papal infallability. Would you claim that any person

Re: Hello, Testing, 1 2 3 Testing

2006-10-17 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My digest-subscribed address has not received anything since July 29, if that data point helps anyone For those interested in the digest, I've been reading the List via the Yahoo! Groups digest for some time now. JDG

Re: How to be:

2006-10-17 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See? Part of the problem is that there is not even agreement on what the problem is. Only that there is a problem. And I might even be so bold as to disagree that there is even a problem. After all if there are N issues,

Re: Paradox, or, Breaking the mind of logic

2006-10-12 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how does this work for N(blue) = 4? The key point is that the natives are omniintelligent and know that all other natives are also omniintelligent. The initial state is that each native has two cases: 1) There

Re: Paradox, or, Breaking the mind of logic

2006-10-11 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/10/06, maru dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, the stranger appears to be absolutely useless, but nevertheless, removed from the picture the whole thing breaks down in the case where N = 2. What is the use of the

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-05 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really think that I think the Democrats are any better? Hypocrites and liars on both sides. You did leave me with that distinct impression.but maybe I'm just used to that being the default position of brin-l JDG

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-05 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, that would mean voting against the people who are campaigning on the fear that their opponents will take away a woman's right to choose, end Social Security and Medicare

Re: We Will Not Be Afraid

2006-10-04 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time to kick out the people who have thrived on a policy of fear then, and choose some representatives who value freedom and liberty more than they value power through fear. So, that would mean voting against the people who are

The Assumption Re: 9/11 conspiracies

2006-09-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about this wink. Are you not fully on-board with the doctrine of the assumption? It's not terribly important to me either way, though I am inclined to think that it is a Churchly creation intended to exalt Mary, rather

The Assumption Re: 9/11 conspiracies

2006-09-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mauro Diotallevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My grandmother used to say two things about this depending on her mood; either Catholic heirarchy created this reverence of Mary because she's the most submissive role model those guys in Rome could find Which isn't exactly

The Assumption Re: 9/11 conspiracies

2006-09-28 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bodacious??? Bodacious??? My God man! She gave birth to GOD! She must have been stretch marks from the neck down! xponent Admit It, You Were Thinking It Too! Maru rob Actually, there is a tradition of

The Assumption Re: 9/11 conspiracies

2006-09-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We agree substantially here. The point of my post is to answer the question of what is the assumption. JDG, of course, can correct me if I'm wrong. The Assumption: The dogma of the Catholic Church that at the end of her earthly

Re: Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-09-27 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mauro Diotallevi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago I had the pleasure of attending a presentation in Kansas City made by an archeologist who had been doing research in Chaco Canyon. His theory was that there were major religious festivals between one and

Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-23 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the eve of the 2004 election, a liberal Christian pastor in Pasadena preached (what is reportedly) a highly political anti-war and anti-poverty sermon with the result that the IRS is threatening to take away the church's

Re: The Fertility Gap

2006-09-23 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J.D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought-provoking article about the implications of differing fertility rates based on political ideology in the US: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831 JDG Here's a similarly interesting

Re: Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-09-22 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Klaus Stock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm, wait. Little evidence of city life and was clearly at the heart of an extensive trading network appear contradictory to me. Well, at least when I consider other historical examples of how trading opportunity and/or activity

Collapse Chapter 4 - Chaco Canyon

2006-09-21 Thread jdiebremse
I'm not sure if this went through the first time, so let me try again O.k., I promised to take the lead on this Chapter, so here goes. This will admittedly be interesting, as I am sure that it is becoming clear by now that I am somewhat of a skeptic of this book. Anyhow, by now the

Re: Keep Propaganda Off The Airwaves

2006-09-20 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than continuing to trade rhetorical points, perhaps you could start by specifying those things that are broadly-accepted factual inaccuracies - and not just partisan factual inaccuracies ... So that you can just

Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-20 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem with this particular situation is a serious lack of evenhandedness shows deepening flaws. For almost two decades I've watched conservative politicians court and skirt this set of rules - especially in the South -

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-19 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/18/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the language of triage, Nick. That's the language of an abortion is just as good as any other choice. Ever had to make a real triage decision? A life-and-death one

Re: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-19 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you suppose that armies should get their food, clothing, and boots - if not by purchasing them, at profit, from producers of food, clothing, and boots? That has nothing to do with economic justification for war. To

Re: Week 2 NFL Picks

2006-09-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: NY Giants at Philadelphia - Pick: EAGLES How about them Giants?? I can't believe they turned that around, as they were being soundly whupped for the first 40 minutes of the game. Though I have to wonder

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliable information?)

2006-09-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/17/06, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But for this type of conspiracy to have occurred - one in which the towers were destroyed by explosives inside the building, and then the evidence of this suppressed

Re: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there is an economic formula in existence that justifies making money in a cause for which people are giving their very lives. Is not the logical conclusion of this that we should have an all-volunteer army, lest

Re: The Morality of Killing Babies

2006-09-18 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/15/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not anybody that I know of. At best, it is a triage decision. Wow. Finally a view that really gets to the heart of it. Thanks, Nick. I may use that in the future

Re: The Fertility Gap

2006-09-15 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:34 AM, J.D. Giorgis wrote: A thought-provoking article about the implications of differing fertility rates based on political ideology in the US:

Re: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-15 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That you can phrase the question as should a defense company be making sub-standard profits - whatever that means in this realm - is amazing to read. If you have any direct experience I'd like to hear about it. They've always

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