On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:47 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 22 Dec 2005, at 7:07 pm, Dave Land wrote:
Western cultures equate truth with factuality. Nonetheless, myths,
legends and other _stories_ have tremendous truth-value despite
their being possibly apocryphal and sometimes provably
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robert wrote:
It is not something substantiated.
The quote comes from an unnamed source who purportedly
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:30:07 -0600, Robert Seeberger
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But only reported through one source (AFAICT), hence the disclaimer.
It would bear a lot more credence if the same story were being told
via at least one other independent source.
xponent
Carefully Maru
rob
Don't
On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:08 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:30:07 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But only reported through one source (AFAICT), hence the disclaimer.
It would bear a lot more credence if the same story were being told
via at least one other
Dave Land wrote:
The story about how George Washington chopped down a cherry tree
and did not tell a lie is a _founder's_myth_ that is accepted as
_true_, even if it is probably not factual. It tells us something
about George Washington and what we like to think about ourselves
as a
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
The story about how George Washington chopped down a cherry tree
and did not tell a lie is a _founder's_myth_ that is accepted as
_true_, even if it is probably not factual. It tells us something
about George
On 22 Dec 2005, at 7:07 pm, Dave Land wrote:
This brings to mind the relationship between factuality and truth.
I've been thinking about it in the context of Christianity and
Biblical interpretation, but it obviously applies well beyond that
narrow context.
Western cultures equate
Dave Land wrote:
Whereas Oil-polluting, Amazon-destroying Brazil is a model for
the rest of the world :-b.
Yes! Why keep the useless Amazon if we don't get paid for it?
Let's burn it all and make a huge parking lot!
But I deny the accusation of oil-polluting! Oil is Good, all other
energy
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:30:07 -0600, Robert Seeberger
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But only reported through
Robert wrote:
All quotes of the CHB article unfortunately.
That is a problem with blogs. The way they quote each other
constantly, while often handy as helps to find news, is a bit
incestuous.
So when Woodward and Bernstien broke the Watergate stuff and all the other
newspapers printed
Robert Seeberger wrote:
From where I'm viewing, a corner seems to have been turned in recent
months and most people in the US share opinions that are more
leftish than they were over the last few years.
Arguably the true American center has always been more to the left than
right.
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G It's not all about you Dan!G
I was suggesting that perhaps you are missing that most
Dan Minette wrote:
OK. The idea that we went to war in Iraq in order to make money for
oil companies is centralist?
Is this the official list position? I think it is:
The USA went to war in Iraq to protect the interests of the
Saudi Princes
and that oil companies [including Petrobras
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:16 AM
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Dan Minette wrote:
OK. The idea that we went to war in Iraq in order to make money for
oil
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Doug Pensinger wrote:
These are the kinds of things that characterize the President;
reckless disregard for the law. We hear about a man that calls
the principals that have built this nation and to some extent
have made the world what it is today a goddamned piece of paper
What is the
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Doug Pensinger wrote:
These are the kinds of things that characterize the President;
reckless disregard
Robert wrote:
It is not something substantiated.
The quote comes from an unnamed source who purportedly heard it in a
WH staffing meeting and subsequently blogged.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
IMO, it should be noted, but not passed along as fact.
The guy
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Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Defeat in Victory
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post
Dan wrote:
Indeed, from my perspective, most of the political posts here that are
not my own, over the last few months, fit reasonably well into the
Michael
Moore wing of the Democratic party.
That may seem true from your perspective, Dan, an oil industry
professional living in the heart
Dan Minette wrote:
Indeed, from my perspective, most of the political posts here
that are not my own, over the last few months, fit reasonably
well into the Michael Moore wing of the Democratic party.
Badly researched, misleading and inaccurate? :)
Ritu
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Dan wrote:
Indeed, from my perspective, most of the political posts here that are
not my own, over
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Robert wrote:
http://www.pollingreports.com ?
Try it without the s
http://www.pollingreport.com
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:02 PM
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Dan wrote:
It might aid my understanding to see the issues on which you are more
conservative than most Americans. If you are in the middle, wouldn't it
be 50-50?
I said I was moderate on most issues, in fact I know we agree on many
issues. Perhaps that is why it is frustrating me that
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all seem to
espouse (Dan excepted). There is no right answer, we surely all know
that, but the debate
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all seem to
espouse (Dan
Andrew Paul wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate
debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there
is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all seem to
espouse (Dan excepted). There is no right answer, we surely all
Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist viewpoints we all
On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul
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wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate
debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there
is
no-one to staunchly dispute the centrist
At 09:53 AM Sunday 12/4/2005, Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one to staunchly dispute
At 10:10 AM Sunday 12/4/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:57:22 +1100, Andrew Paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hate how terrorism and the war in Iraq have come to dominate debate
so. I notice that Gautam and JDG rarely post these days, and there is
no-one
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:10 AM Sunday 12/4/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
I'm not going to jump into the Iraq debate except to ask for
clarifications. I have too many other things
Would that number be 3?
Well, after Dan's outpatient procedure on Tuesday, it was more like 4
for a few
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