Patrick said:
It's kind of like playing with that old Eliza computer program. Anyone
remember that?
From: Richard Baker r...@theculture.org
] Why do you say anyone remember that??
How do you feel when you read Why do you say anyone remember that???
-- Matt
Rob said:
A few people have been removed, a couple of them long term listees
and one was a moderator here. We definitely are not queasy when it
comes to pulling the pin.
I'm definitely queasy about it, but I guess I'm not part of we.
Rich
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
On the Americans are stupid issue, I would agree somewhat, but I would use
the terms ignorant and/or intellectualy lazy rather than stupid.
I would go with lazy more than ignorant, even though ignorant may be
technically
Richard wrote:
A few people have been removed, a couple of them long term listees and one
was a moderator here. We definitely are not queasy when it comes to pulling
the pin.
I'm definitely queasy about it, but I guess I'm not part of we.
I'm queasy as well. To my knowledge the only
Doug wrote:
Has he been arrogant at times? Maybe, but that sort of thing is difficult
to judge via email. One can often sound arrogant or diffident or whiny and
not really mean to. But if arrogance was the criteria by which we judged
people for their on list fitness, how long would JDG
I am just a lurker here. I seldom post. I follow for information and
to watch debates unfold. To help me make up my mind on some of the
issues discussed.
I personally am not getting much out of the John Williams threads at
this moment. Discussing the history, legitimacy and quality of
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To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:25:51 -0500
I am just a lurker here. I seldom post. I follow for information and
to watch debates unfold. To help me make up my mind on some of the
issues
Rob wrote:
We are the entertainment
Well, if it makes you happy to think so... :-p
Jim
Pithy remarks Maru
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Doug wrote:
Has he been arrogant at times?
The arrogance doesn't fuss me; there's far too many brainy people here to
expect excessive modesty. :-)
The passive-agressive posts, though? I don't mind admitting that kind of stuff
gets under my skin.
Jim
Admitting weakness maru
John Williams wrote:
I would go with lazy more than ignorant
I think that intellectual laziness leads to stupidity, though. How can live
your whole life in this country and not know Medicare is a government program,
to cite one of Maher's examples? Let alone not know there are two senators
Jim wrote:
The passive-agressive posts, though? I don't mind admitting that kind of
stuff gets under my skin.
Jim
Admitting weakness maru
Now see, I guess I don't understand what passive-aggressive means because I
would think that his confrontational, sometimes sarcastic style has any
Doug wrote:
Now see, I guess I dont understand what passive-aggressive means because I
would think that his confrontational, sometimes sarcastic style has any
passivity to it.
I see it differently, perhaps. Passive-agressive may not be the right
clinical term here, but I find repeated
It's a put-on. And it's a put-on anyone who's been on the Internet for
more than 5 minutes has seen dozens of times. The repetitive I'm just
asking questions to try to understand, the feigned cluelessness, the
detached pose, the deliberate obtuseness ... it's all carefully
calculated to do one
Patrick said:
It's a put-on. And it's a put-on anyone who's been on the Internet for
more than 5 minutes has seen dozens of times. The repetitive I'm just
asking questions to try to understand, the feigned cluelessness, the
detached pose, the deliberate obtuseness ... it's all carefully
Yeah, Eliza and Parry could be quite entertaining if they talked to
each other.
Eliza and Racter could be too, but Eliza didn't get to say much in
those conversations ..
On Aug 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Sweeney wrote:
It's kind of like playing with that old Eliza computer program.
On 8/18/2009 4:22:27 PM, Bruce Bostwick (lihan161...@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
Yeah, Eliza and Parry could be quite entertaining if they talked to
each other.
Eliza and Racter could be too, but Eliza
didn't get to say much in
those conversations ..
On Aug 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Patrick
Rob wrote:
Bruce wrote:
(Type mismatch error: expected boolean value but found string 'cake'.
Input not parsed.)
The cake is a lie?
Apparently the cake is neither true nor false.
Doug
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:14:29 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Doug wrote:
Has he been arrogant at times? Maybe, but that sort of thing is
difficult
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:52 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
OK, I fear this won't work, but I'm going to try.
Work? How does it work?
So, you can decide that everyone else is crazy or you can decide that there
are areas that you can learn more about.
I choose
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, John Williamsjwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote:
So, you consider his post to me thoughtful, constructive, and worthy of
respect?
Yes.
Martin
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Doug Pensinger wrote (in html, and it's a hell to reformat):
I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism,
once when a private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded
to the list, and ISTR Nick and I talking completely at
cross-purposes. I was really annoyed on Friday
It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude
to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts
during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I
have been asking some uncomfortable questions, but not making any
obviously rude remarks.
John Williams wrote:
It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude
to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts
during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I
have been asking some uncomfortable questions, but not making any
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
That doesn't really prove anything. For instance,
a flame war would produce a large number of posts,
but one could hardly call that communication.
Of course it does not prove anything, but it is highly suggestive.
While
On 8/17/2009 8:04:00 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
That doesn't really prove anything. For instance,
a flame war would produce a large number of posts,
but one could hardly call that
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
Your statement reads quite humorously.G
That's great! Apparently there is a fine line between humorous and
rude and sincere. Feel free to give my posts the benefit of the
doubt...
On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
Your statement reads quite humorously.G
That's great! Apparently there is a fine line between humorous and
rude and sincere. Feel free to give
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
Your statement reads quite humorously.G
That's great! Apparently there
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Hi. Seriously, are you trolling, or just
dense? : ) We rank respect the way most communities
do--completely informally.
Not trolling.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do,
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do, indeed.
We don't like straw men or trolls (which I can't help observing are at two
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a sense of community here, along with the usual
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do, indeed.
We don't like straw men or trolls (which I can't help
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
On 8/17/2009 9:12:11 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
explicit and implicit standards of behavior and
John Williams wrote:
...
We don't like straw men or trolls
...
There's that we several more times. How many people subscribe to this
email list, and how many of them do you speak for when you say we? How
did you determine that these people have that view?
You're not going to claim that all
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
I note you snipped the etiquette guidelines. : )
I did snip it. I did read it.
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Rceebergerrceeber
No, when I say we in this context, I mean that we have in the past booted
people from the list as a group in most cases. There being no one person in
particular one can suck up to in order to avoid consequences, it behooves
everyone to be generally inoffensive. A few people have been
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrobxponent...@comcast.net wrote:
But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you pegged
as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to be.
My apologies for not being as perceptive as you are.
No, when I say we
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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Rceebergerrceeber
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrobxponent...@comcast.net wrote:
But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you
pegged as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to be.
My apologies for not being as perceptive as you
On 8/17/2009 11:03:58 PM, Trent Shipley (tship...@deru.com) wrote:
No, when I say we in this context, I mean that we have in the past
booted people from the list as a group in most cases. There being no one
person in particular one can suck up to in order to avoid consequences, it
behooves
On 8/17/2009 11:04:59 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrobxponent...@comcast.net
wrote:
But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you
pegged as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:15 PM, xponentrobxponent...@comcast.net wrote:
No one particular cares how many lurkers there are.
I care, that is why I asked.
It is pretty much the same as using we when speaking for Americans even
though Americans are very diverse there is still considerable
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude
to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts
during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I
have
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
It is worth noting that this guy is one of the most respected members on
this list
Decide that with a vote, did you?
He seems rather a hot-head to me. I was going to ask him to explain
what set him off, but evidently he
On 8/16/2009 1:09:53 AM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net
wrote:
It is worth noting that this guy is one of the most respected members
on this list
Decide that with a vote, did you?
One would have to be
Dan wrote:
One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
What's the criteria for success? An experimental form of governance (or
some aspect of governance) may not yield a completely successful law or
system of laws, but I'm relatively certain that important
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade on the
list.
Once again, your default position is to assume that others are stupid.
Do you actually think your feeble attempts to place others in a
Charlie wrote:
I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism, once when a
private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded to the list, and ISTR
Nick and I talking completely at cross-purposes. I was really annoyed on
Friday night, partly 'cause I'd got home after
On 16/08/2009, at 5:46 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Charlie wrote:
I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism, once
when a private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded to the
list, and ISTR Nick and I talking completely at cross-purposes. I
was really annoyed on
Rob wrote:
LOL.I'm the cellar dweller!
Yea, that's true, but we know why. That's where all the best list wines
are kept.
Dan M.
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web
At 10:15 AM Sunday 8/16/2009, David Hobby wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rceebergerrceeber...@comcast.net wrote:
One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade
on the list.
Once again, your default position is to assume that others are
FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
The problems the article lists are real; I won't argue that the present
system is really messed up. However,
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
Hi. Seriously, are you trolling, or just
dense? : ) We rank respect the way most communities
do--completely informally.
Not trolling. Possibly dense. There is that reference to we again,
which is what led me to believe
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
...
Yes, Charlie is someone I respect. His posts are
thoughtful, and when he argues, he does it in a fair
and constructive way.
So, you consider his post to me thoughtful, constructive, and worthy of
On 15 Aug 2009 at 20:00, John Williams wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
That's a true statementbut the problem with failure with radically new
government is that the failures are horrid: (e.g. the French Revolution,
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet for this problem. But, we do know things can be better,
because we are paying twice as much as the average developed country per
person with worse than average results.
I have heard, but have been too lazy
On 16 Aug 2009 at 11:45, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
The problems the article lists are real; I
Trent Shipley wrote:
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet for this problem. But, we do know things can be better,
because we are paying twice as much as the average developed country per
person with worse than average results.
I have heard,
Original Message:
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From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:19:16 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet
The most enjoyable discussions for me involve new ideas or points of view
that I have not encountered before. People interested in SF seem to be
more likely to have unique ideas than people who are not SF fans. Not
that there isn't a lot of noise of conventional ideas mixed
in...anyway, I write
On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:10 PM, John Williams wrote:
What ever gave you the idea that I want things to work out neatly?
Messy, quirky, diverse, surprising, unpredictable, they're all good
(as long as coercion is minimal).
I suspect that is your objective here on the list as well. Charlie may
I do agree that there is little experimentation going on right now in
government. One of the best reasons for getting humanity out into
space is to allow that experimentation to begin again.
One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
they do not achieve the
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:26 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
Which suggests we need a lot of experiments to get successes!
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com wrote:
I do agree that there is little experimentation going on right now in
government. One of the best reasons for getting humanity out into space is
to allow that experimentation to begin again.
It does seem like there is a
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
That's a true statementbut the problem with failure with radically new
government is that the failures are horrid: (e.g. the French Revolution,
the Cultural Revolution, Pot Pol).
Which suggests that
On 14/08/2009, at 1:43 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com
wrote:
Okay. However if a corporation or a family group infringes on the
health of
my family by polluting a stream I drink from doesn't it become my
business
? How you
John Williams wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
I wasn't clear. They don't understand enough about what is being regulated
to enforce the laws. The laws are very clear to me; its how one interprets
these clear laws in the light
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote:
No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the
court
system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as
written.
There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to
anticipate the
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote:
No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court
system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as
written.
There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
I still think version control, requirements management, and user
acceptance testing have very definite roles to play in the development
of legislation, and I'd still like to see alpha and beta level testing
with bug tracking, or a very close analogue, employed in the
Wow, a mention of science fiction! On this list of all places:-)
The first sci fi read to me was Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
and Starship Troopers was almost a life guide. I did go to West Point
and believe in government service. I think everyone should do at least
18 months in
Bruce Bostwick quoted:
Heard from a flight instructor:
The only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask, resulting in my
going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst
of torn and twisted metal.
This seems like a Heinlein quote to me.
Alberto Monteiro the lurker
On 12 Aug 2009 at 10:56, John Williams wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
John, would you agree that some sort of community system, like the courts,
are necessary to resolve disputes over true ownership of property,
contracts, and the like?
On 14/08/2009, at 1:53 AM, Lance A. Brown wrote:
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
I still think version control, requirements management, and user
acceptance testing have very definite roles to play in the
development
of legislation, and I'd still like to see alpha and beta level
testing
with bug
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com wrote:
Now what is your attitude towards passing your wealth on to family members?
None of my business, unless it is my wealth. Right now, most of my
estate is slated to go to a couple charities I favor. I doubt I will
change that
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly
written, the problem is that there's latitude in
their interpretation. I think that may be an
unavoidable problem.
Are you including the patents themselves in patent
On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:29 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com
wrote:
Now what is your attitude towards passing your wealth on to family
members?
None of my business, unless it is my wealth. Right now, most of my
estate is slated to go
John Williams wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly
written, the problem is that there's latitude in
their interpretation. I think that may be an
unavoidable problem.
Are you including the patents
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
I doubt that would otherwise have been kept secret
is going to be a useful criterion for when a patent
should be granted. How do you propose to tell when
that's the case?
Easily, when you look at the reverse: when would
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Frandsenlear...@mac.com wrote:
Okay. However if a corporation or a family group infringes on the health of
my family by polluting a stream I drink from doesn't it become my business
? How you personally handle such a situation?
I would not handle that
Ever since I was given Atlas Shrugged to read by a girlfriend in 1975,
I've been discussing the wonders of free markets with objectivists, radical
libertarians and the like. When asked how disputes over contracts,
ownership, and the like were resolved, all agreed that a governmental court
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
John, would you agree that some sort of community system, like the courts,
are necessary to resolve disputes over true ownership of property,
contracts, and the like?
Necessary, no, I can imagine alternatives that might be
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:56:01 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
John, would
#1 patent-related
#2 patent-related
#4 IP-related
#5 patent-related
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
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This went just to john instead of the list twice. I'm not sure why.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
If you understood the patent system and how these issues
John Williams wrote:
#1 patent-related
#2 patent-related
#4 IP-related
#5 patent-related
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the
way you think it would, since there's latitude
for people to game the system.
How
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Hobbyhob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
How would a non-government-run patent system
(whatever it was) not be just as flawed?
Or better, how would you design a patent system
that did not give a significant advantage to the
side with the best lawyers?
(Feel
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
No, it's the courts that decided, not the patent system itself. Enforcement
of patents and other IP are in the courts, not through patent clerks.
So, if some politicians decided to make a law that all
David Hobby wrote:
John Williams wrote:
#1 patent-related
#2 patent-related
#4 IP-related
#5 patent-related
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the
way you think it would, since there's latitude
for people
Trent Shipley wrote:
David Hobby wrote:
John Williams wrote:
...
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the
way you think it would, since there's latitude
for people to game the system.
How would a non-government-run
Actually, I favor no patent or IP restrictions. I do not know of any
way to prevent gaming the system, and I think the benefits of the
system, as implemented, are outweighed by the costs, several of which
Dan mentioned.
Lets assume that companies that innovated got nothing more than a few
months
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:08 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
BTW, I chose IP gaming examples because that's what I know best. The
entire legal system is subject to gamingwhy do you think there are so
many lawyers who make so much money compared to those folks
BTW, I chose IP gaming examples because that's what I know best. The
entire legal system is subject to gamingwhy do you think there are so
many lawyers who make so much money compared to those folks who create
wealth who make less?
Thus my earlier statement that we have too many laws
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Behalf Of John Williams
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court
system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as written.
Or it could be that the laws are too many and too poorly written for
the
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
OK, then why do we have so many more lawyers than much more socialistic
countries that have a far more complex history of laws than the US?
I'm not really following you. Do you mean to suggest that
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:20:38 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote
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