J. van Baardwijk
Sholom Aleichem, Ilana. :-)
Aleichem Hashalom! :-)
This is greeting - something like "may you have peace"
Ilana
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From: "J. van Baardwijk"
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Ilana
< >>
Jeroen
<>
I watch NTV - there is daily program about Israel and I can't even
compare it to the programs I saw as a kid - 30 or more years ago. News
*are* pro-Israeli and there is weekly program "Today in Israel", that
sometimes interviews our politicians
On 6 Oct 2002 at 22:34, Jon Gabriel wrote:
> >From: "Joe Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Hey, can we can this?
> >Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:58:20 -0400
> >
> >Why can't you just kick Jeroen out of the group?
> >
>
> It's not the civilized thing to do. To take your analogy further,
> wo
Dan M. wrote:
> Well, that just shows how much more astute you are than I am.
> I guessed he
> was Irish. :-)
With a name like Gautam Mukunda?
Nope. But I am not really that astute. Most Indians can take a look at
that name and tell you about the caste of Gautam's father [and hence,
Gautam'
Dan M. asked:
> This kinda reminds me of an implied question about
> preconceptions about
> India that exists. The main one I have is that India is
> overwhelmingly
> bureaucratic. It may be changing, but I definitely got that
> impression
> from the '70s through the mid-'90s at least. The
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
> Dan M. wrote:
>
> > > If that outside help is coming from Uncle Sam, I'd say that
> > my concerns
> >
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:29 PM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
He also found
> Socialism more attractive than Capitalism [have I mentioned that he as
> an idiot?]...so,
Dan M. wrote:
> > If that outside help is coming from Uncle Sam, I'd say that
> my concerns
> > are reasonably valid.
> >
> You know, I'd just love to see Ritu and Gautam get into a
> debate on this.
I have to say I agree.
But like you siad, he is busy. :)
> (I think I told you, Ritu, that
Dan M wrote:
> Its my understanding that India pretty well
> chose the
> USSR as its patron and the US got Pakistan by default. Do you know
> differently?
I forgot to add one thing. As far as I know, the US chose Pakistan when
India refused to join its camp. It wasn't enough that we weren't jo
Veni
Vedi
Velveeta
I came
I saw
I got creamed and stuffed into a box.
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Dan Minette wrote:
> Well, I won't argue against your examples, but I am thinking
> of a much more
> decisive win than that. All of Germany and Japan were under
> the control of
> the winners of WWII. Pakistan wasn't after those two wars.
No, Pakistan was not completely under Indian control
In a message dated 10/6/2002 7:49:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< ---David Hobby
--
Demanding prunes and raisins! >>
Today the pits, tomorrow the wrinkles. Sunsweet marches on.
-- Stan Freber
> Actually, if you're a woman, there are *much* suckier rulers to live
> under. (Or die under.) Saudi Arabia, for a biggie. Iraqi women > enjoy
> greater freedoms than women in almost all other Mideast countries. So
> if I were a woman in Iraq and knew that, sure it would suck, but many
> othe
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:55:30PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
> Actually, if you're a woman, there are *much* suckier rulers to
> live under. (Or die under.) Saudi Arabia, for a biggie. Iraqi
> women enjoy greater freedoms than women in almost all other Mideast
> countries.
So is your point
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:33 PM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
> I mean, look at what happened in 1947/8 and '71 - India won both the
> wars decisively and convincingl
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
>
> If that outside help is coming from Uncle Sam, I'd say that my concerns
> are reasonably valid.
>
Y
Robert Seerberger wrote:
> > Yes..and there is also another benefit to being an Iraqi
> womanone
> > would get to read the hilariously improbable romances
> written by Saddam.
> > It's hard to find copies of his book outside Iraq, y'know.
> I would be willing to bet that they would become
Dan Minette wrote:
> I'm not arguing that the war reparations were not a bad
> idea...but that
> they were essentially dropped and were thus meaningless. In a
> sense, the
> difference between WWI and WWII was that the winners ran the
> losing country
> for the benefit of the losers for a numb
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
> Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> > Actually, if you're a woman, there are *much* suckier rulers to live
> >
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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Craft 'rammed' French oil tanker
> Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
> > xponent
> > Speedboats Laden With Explosives Delenda Est Maru
> > rob
>
> Hey, ca
Erik Reuter wrote:
> > At least that option has to be excercised. Dismissing it out of the
> > hand seems a bit extreme to me.
>
> It has been exercised. Repeatedly. It does not work. It is
> ludicrous to
> call it "dismissing it out of hand".
Well, I guess whether one chooses to call it ludic
Julia Thompson wrote:
> Actually, if you're a woman, there are *much* suckier rulers to live
> under. (Or die under.) Saudi Arabia, for a biggie. Iraqi
> women enjoy
> greater freedoms than women in almost all other Mideast countries. So
> if I were a woman in Iraq and knew that, sure it wou
Robert Seeberger wrote:
> xponent
> Speedboats Laden With Explosives Delenda Est Maru
> rob
Hey, can we get a good Latinization of this? It would be more amusing
for a few of us that way
Julia
Fried Green Brains Maru
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From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Culture - Brin-L Satellite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: Beatallica
> http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~starkeff/beatallica.html
>
> Awesome !!
>
> xponent
> Enter Taxman
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From: "David Hobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Hey, can we can this?
> Jon Gabriel wrote:
> >
> > I'll think about it. I think it's smart advice anyway. :)
> >
> > On to more important matters: W
Jon Gabriel wrote:
>
> I'll think about it. I think it's smart advice anyway. :)
>
> On to more important matters: Why are you demanding prunes and raisins??!?
>
> Jon
Wow, man. Maybe I got it wrong. There was this dude, on
Brin-List, man. And there was this like really big, like f
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From: "David Hobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Hey, can we can this?
> Jon Gabriel wrote:
>
> > I'd be happy to can the discussion, except that if I walk away from this
> > conversation, *I'll* be
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From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: SH OKs WOMD In Case Of TWAT
>
> Rob's painful subject line
>
> > Subject: SH OKs WOMD In Case Of TWAT
>
>
> Wow, Dude!
>
> That subject line made li
I'll think about it. I think it's smart advice anyway. :)
On to more important matters: Why are you demanding prunes and raisins??!?
Jon
>From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Hey, can we can this?
>Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:4
Jon Gabriel wrote:
> I'd be happy to can the discussion, except that if I walk away from this
> conversation, *I'll* be accused by him of not answering his questions.
Yeah, I was around the last time such accusations were made.
Big deal! Ignore such accusations--most of us are able to
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Jon, who's glad no one reads over my shoulder at work.
GSV Looked to me like Shocks Wombed in case of... well, you know.
>From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: SH OKs WOMD In Case Of TWAT
>Date: Sun,
Rob's painful subject line
> Subject: SH OKs WOMD In Case Of TWAT
Wow, Dude!
That subject line made little explosions go off in my head while trying to
decode it. So far, I have come up with his.
Saddam Hussein OK's Weapons Of Mass Destruction in case of
I just can't seem to m
OK, that's very cool. I learned something. :-)
Thanks, and my apologies -- you were right!
Jon
>From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Definitiions (was Intellectual output from the Arab World)
>Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 14:49:32 +0200
>
>At 07:39 05-10-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel w
Well said. :-) Very nice post Rob, and a much more effective answer than
mine, i think. :)
Jon
>From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Hey, can we can this?
>Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:44:47 -0500
>
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>From: "Joe Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sund
>From: "Joe Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Hey, can we can this?
>Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:58:20 -0400
>
>Why can't you just kick Jeroen out of the group?
>
It's not the civilized thing to do. To take your analogy further, would you
have him executed or locked up in the real world for
http://library.northernlight.com/FB2002100687015.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#
doc
NEW YORK, Oct 6, 2002 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Intelligence intercepts in
the gulf region tell of a meeting Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had with local
military commanders in August, in which he discussed the possib
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2303363.stm
The owners of a French oil tanker on fire off the coast of Yemen say they
believe it was rammed by a smaller boat, before exploding into flames.
Much more on site.
xponent
Speedboats Laden With Explosives Delenda Est Maru
rob
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Erik Reuter wrote:
> And how is it that you know what the Iraqis want? I don't know, but I'd
> bet that being ruled by Saddam really sucks. Do you have evidence to the
> contrary?
Actually, if you're a woman, there are *much* suckier rulers to live
under. (Or die under.) Saudi Arabia, for a bi
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote:
>
> ATTENTION: This message is for MALE Brinellers only. All FEMALE members
> should close this message IMMEDIATELY!!!
You should *know* that's not going to work on me.
> Housewife seeking appreciation quits housework.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/10/05/wif
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From: "Joe Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: Hey, can we can this?
> Why can't you just kick Jeroen out of the group?
>
Well we could.
But we choose not to.
Speaking only for some of us, I would sa
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:58:20PM -0400, Joe Hale wrote:
> Why can't you just kick Jeroen out of the group?
Why should "you"?
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Change the subject heading.
My AOL profile says "Househusband in training".
I'd rather stay at home and sell books.
[And writing science fiction would be fun too..]
William Taylor
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Why can't you just kick Jeroen out of the group?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hey, can we can this?
Julia,
I appreciate that you're no doubt inte
Julia,
I appreciate that you're no doubt interested in not having this become yet
another "MidEast Hell" debate. Thank you for posting such a well thought
out solution to the problems we've been having.
But I do believe my conversation with Jeroen is indicative of a larger
problem that I thi
J. van Baardwijk wrote:
> Housewife seeking appreciation quits housework.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/10/05/wife.strike.ap/index.html
Good for her! If she cleans the house while her husband goes fishing, she should do
something to call him on it. Normally cutting him off from sex
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 10:24:18PM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>
> Erik Reuter wrote:
> >
> >Are you saying that dropping leaflets saying that if they fire on US
> >planes, they will be fired upon, is arrongant?
> >
> No
How about arrogant?
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Erik Reuter wrote:
>
>Are you saying that dropping leaflets saying that if they fire on US
>planes, they will be fired upon, is arrongant?
>
No
Alberto Monteiro
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On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 01:31:02AM +0530, Ritu Ko wrote:
> I am not claiming that the former should be protected. But just that
> there are proper channels to take these actions. And that when these
> channels are ignored, things worsen. They don't get better. At least
> not for the non-Americans
AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands (Reuters) -- Prince Claus of the Netherlands,
the husband of Queen Beatrix, died on Sunday, the government information
service said.
http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/06/netherlands.prince/index.html
Jeroen "no wisecrack tagline tonight" van Baardwijk
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
>
> Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > Indeed, for Americans, Europe's and its failure to respond to
> > Hitler ha
Dan Minette wrote:
> Indeed, for Americans, Europe's and its failure to respond to
> Hitler has
> been a paradigm example of what not to do for over 50 years of foreign
> policy. I cannot imagine you picking a worse example to use.
> It doesn't
> falsify your arguement, but it is not a good
The Fool wrote:
> Both have used chemical weapon on their 'native' populations.
> I will get
> to it. Sometime.
Oh, this I've not heard about and am interested. Could you refer some
sites or sources please?
Ritu
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Guys, if our female significant others find out about this
Erik Reuter wrote:
> > Fairly calm?
> > Then we might as well agree to disagree on this point. :)
> > I consider neither the Afghanistan chapter of the TWAT nor
> this new Iraq
> > campaign to be a 'calm' reaction. For that is all it is, y'know, an
> > emotional reaction to 9/11.
>
> No, I don'
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:54:47 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
>Well, it would be very hard to believe. Lets look at some numbers. The
>general efficiency of an internal combustion engine is given in
>http://ecen.com/content/eee7/motoref.htm
>at around 40%. The initial efficiency of a big power plant g
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,805618,00.html
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At 13:33 06-10-2002 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
>Surely you can see the difference between a fascist dictator and a
>and a democractically elected government? Why should the former be
>protected? Especially when the former has repeatedly disobeyed
>instructions of the United Nations?
Well, other c
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From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack
> > Remember, Iraq lost a war
> > and agreed
> > to a treaty.
>
> Yes, I remember. I also remember the
> From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You think Saddam and BJP are comparable??? Have you any conception of
> how Saddam has "ruled" Iraq?
Both have used chemical weapon on their 'native' populations. I will get
to it. Sometime.
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On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 10:38:41PM +0530, Ritu Ko wrote:
> Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> > It seems fairly calm to me. I'd like to see a little more charisma and
> > charm from Bush in working with other nations, but I have to say that
> > the response from other nations is quite disappointing.
>
> Fai
Erik Reuter wrote:
> It seems fairly calm to me. I'd like to see a little more charisma and
> charm from Bush in working with other nations, but I have to say that
> the response from other nations is quite disappointing.
Fairly calm?
Then we might as well agree to disagree on this point. :)
I c
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Imagine a company, the Rio Idiota Acaparar Agua (RIAA) bottled water
company which sells bottled water. Now the RIAA is extremely worried that
people who have bought their bottled water may drink it, fill the bottle
back up, and then s
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 09:41:51PM +0530, Ritu Ko wrote:
> Well, I'd suggest that the US govt. calms down a bit.
It seems fairly calm to me. I'd like to see a little more charisma and
charm from Bush in working with other nations, but I have to say that
the response from other nations is quite di
Erik Reuter wrote:
> > Well, if I were an Iraqi and came across leaflets saying
> > that..'arrogance' would be one of the nicer words to cross my mind.
>
> Really? Would you care to explain?
Certainly. :)
Consider the present conditions, the USA's drive to remove Saddam.
Irrespective of whet
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,361521,00.html
Jesus and the FDA
BY KAREN TUMULTY
Saturday, Oct. 05, 2002
A quiet battle is raging over the Bush Administration's plan to appoint a
scantily credentialed doctor, whose writings include a book titled As
Jesus Cared for Women: Restor
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:27:58PM +0530, Ritu Ko wrote:
>
> Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> > > Are USA strategists aware that the more arrogance the
> > > USA exhibits, the stronger will be the Iraqi people's
> > > support for Saddam?
> >
> > Are you saying that dropping leaflets saying that if they
Erik Reuter wrote:
> > Are USA strategists aware that the more arrogance the
> > USA exhibits, the stronger will be the Iraqi people's
> > support for Saddam?
>
> Are you saying that dropping leaflets saying that if they fire on US
> planes, they will be fired upon, is arrongant?
Well, if I
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:52:15AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> >
> >The U.S. military has dropped leaflets (...)
> >
> Are USA strategists aware that the more arrogance the
> USA exhibits, the stronger will be the Iraqi people's
> support for Saddam?
Are you saying that dropping leaflets sa
>
>The U.S. military has dropped leaflets (...)
>
Are USA strategists aware that the more arrogance the
USA exhibits, the stronger will be the Iraqi people's
support for Saddam?
Eventually, Saddam may even be able to call for free
elections, and then win with 90% of the votes.
Heck, even here i
At 19:57 06-10-2002 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote:
> > And guess what -- I found that message...
>
>Congratulations! Bit like finding the needle in the haystack???
Then it was either a small haystack or a big needle. It only took me three
minutes to find it.
> To make it entirely corre
J. van Baardwijk wrote:
> At 23:31 05-10-2002 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote about me:
>
>> Not ONCE has he ever admitted to being wrong about ANYTHING.
>
> Do you know what the problem is with that blanket statement? I need to find
> only *one* message in which I admit to being wrong, in order to pr
At 08:01 06-10-2002 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote:
>It's "Jeroen displays opinions that are seemingly prejudiced against
>Israel" usually that is.
That is still not really correct, but at least it is a little bit less
wrong that "Jeroen displays opinions that are seemingly prejudiced against
J
At 07:50 06-10-2002 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote:
>>
>
>I understand that you don't watch Russian TV.
You understand correctly. We do not get Russian TV here. But even if we
would, the few words of Russian I know are not enou
At 14:56 05-10-2002 -0500, Adam Lipscomb wrote:
> > The anti-Semite argument has stagnated, devolving into an unpleasant
> > shouting match, could we drop it and move on?
>
>It's dropped. Done. Finished. At least on my end. I freely admit I
>should never have wasted my time on it, as I knew h
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