Hi all,
I am new to the list, but a long time fan of the .. what do you call the
Killer B's, now that you have inducted Vernor Vinge?
Has the list discussed what it will take to colonise the solar system in the
past or is that too almost on topic?
It seems to me any colonisation of space
, I could guarantee you at least one enthusiastic reader.
As for the possibility of lurkers, I am of the opinion that they don't
exist. I suspect that intelligent life is rare and that interstellar travel
very difficult, and that's the simple if sad answer to the Fermi Paradox.
Regards,
Wayne
faster than light, or time travel, but we will be able
to see whatever we want to on the big screen.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy.
Hate to burst your bubble Dr. Brin, but, no that is not going to happen.
It takes enormous amounts of work (man hours) / CPU time and Money
even to do small scale stuff. You
Hi Curtis, everyone.
I wouldn't have thought that challenging the current othodoxy is clear
evidence that someone is not one of the good guys or that they are doing
wrong.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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are contributing to this, but I don't think this necessarly means
the end of the world, or that it is even the most important issue in the
world.
Regards
Wayne Eddy
P.S. Is there a consensus on the list about how to post?
I rather like top posting, but I will try to change if it is frowned upon
, at 6:56 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I agree with just about everything you say, Charlie.
I don't think the web site Curtis is so upset about is so horrible
though.
It is basically just a list of articles from reputable news sources on
subjects of interest to the owner. Where he disagrees
carbon dioxide emissions are
contributing to this, but I don't think this necessarily means the end
of the world, or that it is even the most important issue in the world.
Wayne Eddy
i can't think of a single more important issue in the world, that is
not related in some way to climate change
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: junk science
What about:
1. People going to war over religious political differences.
2. Overpopulation.
3.
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Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: junk science
On 21/04/2008, at 12:48 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
are you asking, or say those three things
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Starvation (drought, a colder Europe if the Atlantic Conveyor fails,
and reduced farmland), and
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:06 AM
Subject: junk science
it may trigger glaciation, but no where near as fast as portrayed in
the movie, the day after
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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Food Wars
Independent journalist and broadcaster Gwynne Dyer premiered a new idea
in front of a two-thirds
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:24 AM
Subject: RE: What were they thinking? (MS Office 2007)
Gillete's dictum : give away the razors, charge the hell out of 'em
?
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Wayne Eddy.
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lost in an unnecessary war.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy.
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order)
I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
interested in what
our friends from outside of the USA think.
john
was black and his mother is white, surely he is brown,
or more to the point a person or an American?
If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black, brown,
gray, white or a person?
Regards,
Wayne Eddy.
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From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:57 AM
Subject: memes, or genes...
what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone
else, and why? it
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: memes, or genes...
On Jul 25, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:38 AM
Subject: Genesis
What's wicked about bringing children into the
world that you have the
resources to support and nurture?
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The only exceptions I would make would be for people willing to help
terraform and colonize other habitable bodies in the solar system.
I'm pretty sure Mars' surface could be terraformed to the point where
people could
From: Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
unfortunately, throughout history, it is the the best and the brightest
who have perpetrated evils on the poor and downtrodden. there have been
exceptions, but over and over again governments and religions have used
their ideology or dogma to justify
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: Neo-Colonialism
the global economy has been structured to maintain the historical status
quo of the rich feeding
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Genesis
it may well come to that, bruce, or the problem may be solved by the
collapse of civilization. either
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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Genesis
Wayne Eddy wrote:
Rising energy costs will probably cause a few problems, but I don't see
how
Bush
I'd love to hear everyones thoughts on the original impossible event that
created everything.
Whether it be; mass being created in the Big Bang from nothing,
God appearing from nowhere,.
branes forming out over nowhere and later colliding to cause the big bang,
or the original multiverse 100
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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: The First Event
On 4 Aug 2008, at 21:59, Wayne Eddy wrote:
Seems to me that something impossible
machines that recycle everything, etc. etc. We should be trying for a
technological utopia, and not giving up and dreaming of reverting back to a
non-existant preindustrial golden age.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy.
Where is the Science Fiction spirit in you lot? Maru
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's possible to tell people they're wrong and point out opposing
views without constantly implying that the other party is in some way
trying to be superior. It makes for a much friendlier discussion, and
this is a discussion list.
Charlie.
Too true.
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Some examples would be raising taxes for a national health care plan,
barring
a new store from being built on private property, banning short-sales of
stock,
raising the minimum wage, import/export tariffs, banning
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If I moved to the US
(which I wouldn't) part of the deal I would strike with the government
would
be to accept say bans on short selling of stick if the government decided
that was a good idea,
What if the government
From: Euan Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry if the analogy is confusing or faulty, my main point is that
governments are consenting partners too.
That just ain't so. As has been observed Government is force. and
there's sweet F.A negotiation between it, its agents and the citizens it
bends
? Are monotonous posts and trolls
and heated discussions the way it has found to survive?
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: Future of the list / Questions?
I hate to pre-announce... but I'm working on installing a blog interface.
I
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I've been through this a few times, and my experience is that moving to
a
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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:29 AM
Subject: Racial and Gender imbalance
let me ask you the same question, john. who do YOU think is qualified?
based on what
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Subject: Racial and Gender imbalance
let me ask you the same question, john. who do YOU think is qualified?
based on
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:09 AM
Subject: Racial and Gender imbalance
I agree with John and all the others who think that the
best man or woman
for the
On 23 Oct 2008, at 21:52, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I agree with John and all the others who think that the best man or
woman
for the job is the best man or woman for the job!
If you believe that then you must also believe either
a) white men are remarkably better at important jobs than other
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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: New Creationist Ploy
The I that perceives is not anything -- its an illusion, a trick of
perception and
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Redistribute the wealth
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[rationalizations deleted]
and even if I were
, and certainly better than anarchy.
Has anyone got any suggestions for a better political system?
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing
week!~)
Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Has
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Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing
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Wayne Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How does
From: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing
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Not even if they asked and you told them?
How happy are you on a
Of course, if the government spent less money, there would be less waste.
There would be less government waste for certain, but I suspect there would
be a comensurate increase in private sector waste.
The only reason the government makes bad decisions is because it is made up
of people.
The
Your two previous links did not give an example of how Bush
deregulated anything that may have lead to the subprime mortgage
crisis. The youtube video you listed does not give any examples of
deregulation either. I don't think that word means what you think it
means.
OK, *there's* the proof
any theories why this person has such a mean streak.
either he was bullied as a child, or he was the bully!~)
it's not like he isn't aware and just lacking in social
skills. he probably never leaves his house and spends
all his time picking arguments on line.
he won't reveal any info mation
supposing you were going to be placed, at random, into any society on
Earth
you do not know what social status you will have, what your income level
will be, even what gender or nationality you will be
the only choice you get is the initial choice of countries.
In what country would you most
On 19/11/2008, at 6:20 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I agree. I would have thought that Australia, New Zealand Canada
would be
least as good if not better choices than the US Western Europe.
Maybe, unless you're born indigenous - which was the point of the
thought experiment. Australia, for all
://lgam.wikidot.com/start
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Wayne Eddy
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developed world
outside
of the US.
Hi Dan, I am interested to hear what your basis is for saying that Russia is
falling out of the developed world.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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- perhaps global warming is
just what Russia needs to become a major world power again?
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Wayne Eddy
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No, by well-educated I mean professionals - accountants, lawyers,
medics etc.
Cyprus was full of them working bar, waiting, or worse being exploited
in strip clubs. (It wasn't like London where an attractive woman could
make good money doing exotic dancing a couple of times a week -
these
for that purpose and still might go that route.
Your suggestions are welcome, of course.
Hi Nick, if you do decide to go the wiki route, you should try
www.wikidot.com I've been using it for a few months. It is a really good
host and it you get 5 x 300MB sites for free.
Regards, Wayne Eddy
Surely Canada Australia are both far less densely populated than the
United States?
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
The US is far less densely populated than any other developed country, its
air and water suppliers are far less polluted than 40 years ago, and
racism
has fallen to the point where
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
On 05/01/2009, at 6:22 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
Surely Canada
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To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
They are. In my haste in writing I was less precise than I
10 years?
Alberto Monteiro the neocynical
Very good point Alberto.
I reckon it would be a safe bet to assume that the factory that produced the
solar arrays wasn't solar powered itself.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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From: Max Battcher m...@worldmaker.net
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Metric Conversions
I have to say that the best one of the lot is the 3L -- 2-Liter Bottle.
It's always
the real Brane Teaser.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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,
but It was 48C there a couple of days ago.
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Infi, obviously.
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From: Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: Wildfires Down Under?
Geez Ray (and Charlie)
Which deity did you piss off?
=+))
Jo Anne
evens...@hevanet.com
length as me.
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Wayne Eddy
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I only Miskatonic I've ever heard of, is the grendel infested river in
Legacy of Heorot.
Regards,
Wayne.
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Is this Miskatonic University where one of the three existing copies
of the Necronomicon lies? (the other
Seems like a lot of work to me.
Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other
species that did get uplifted.
I would think Swines would be easier.
xponent
When Swines Flew Maru
rob
Clifford D Simak uplifted dogs years earlier, so it was probably a bit old
hat.
I
I'd love to find out what happened to Tom, Toshio, Dennie, Keepiru, etc.
I remember reading the short story Lung Fish and thinking that the crew of
the lifeboat might end up finding a dilapidated outpost of a robotic
civilization, even before machine intelligences were mentioned in the uplift
Hi Doug, everyone.
I think that both groups the free market sometimes make better decisions than
individuals, but that the answer to life the universe and everything, returning
to the moon and health care, is finding ways to allow groups to make better
decisions than individuals every single
Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was
anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by
joining a discussion about the future?
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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, October 15, 2009 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Google Wave
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
Hi all, I just got access to Google Wave, and I was wondering if there was
anyone on the list who might be interested in helping my try it out by joining
!
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From: Lance A. Brown la...@bearcircle.net
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Google Wave
Wayne Eddy said the following on 10/14/2009 6:07 PM:
Hi all, I just got access
Hi all,
Nick Lance have both turned up in my Wave contacts list, so I guess that
means they both got their invitations OK. Can't see Dave there yet though.
I have started a discussion here added Nick Lance to it.
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252B06VwwaASC
I
created personally, I think the most
interesting future related one that I have stumbled across so far is the
accelerating future wiki.
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Main_Page
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec
on the
internet, that people come to seek out information about Science Fiction.
Personally, I think (b) makes most sense.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
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Say something about the free market and how good or bad it is and that
should fire up the list!
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Jeroen van Baardwijk jer...@brin-l.netwrote:
taps on microphone
Is this thing on?
/tapping
Is this silence (no messages for several days) caused by technical
Very few people that I know are skeptical that human activity is causing
more carbon dioxide to enter the atmosphere or that this is contributing to
a rise in global temperatures. I do think that a lot of people are
legitimately skeptical that it is the existential threat that some people
make it
Found what I thought was a terrific paper on carbon sequestration.
It suggests that it should be possible to use nanotechnology to convert
atmospheric carbon dioxide into diamond bricks by the 2030's.
http://www.imm.org/Reports/rep043.pdf
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Hey Trent.
I hear what your saying. If you use all the energy you gained by burning
carbon locking it back up again it is all a bit pointless isn't it. The
article assumes an exponential increase in the use of solar energy over the
next 20 years, which basically solves our biggest problem
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Keith Henson hkeithhen...@gmail.com
wrote:
The concept here leads to the singularity, of nanotechnology and
weakly godlike AI. I see no way to avoid it.
It doesn't matter if humans manage to keep up with advancing
technology or wind up relating to our
Sounds interesting, but I wonder how it would cope with a big storm?
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Keith Henson hkeithhen...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.slideshare.net/chris8649/stratosolar-overview
http://www.zinzzu.com/stratosolar.html
If this works as advertised, there will be no
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Jim Sharkey templar...@excite.com wrote:
Dan wrote:
I think most email lists are dropping themselves. The modern thing to
write
is less than 144 charact
I have a twitter account, but I basically don't use it because of the 144
character limit. I do use
I have been trying to remember when I first came across the wiki concept.
I have a suspicion it might have been when someone on this list mentioned a
Startide Rising wiki. I was wondering if anyone can tell me when it was set
up, if it still exists and/or what happened to it?
Thanks,
Wayne Eddy
How much better Armageddon would have been if they tried to blow up
something that actually looked a bit like a comet.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Ronn! Blankenship
ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net wrote:
From this morning's fly-by:
in what Julian Assange and his
team are doing, but that the good definitely outweighs the bad.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com wrote:
There seems to be overwhelming sentiment against Wikileaks' release of
confidential documents and I
,
Wayne Eddy.
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The deconstruction seems more reasonable than the article to me.
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:44 AM, KZK evil.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
Ronn! Blankenship
Space stasis: What the strange persistence of rockets can teach us
about innovation. - By Neal Stephenson - Slate Magazine -
The novel will be called Existence
https://plus.google.com/116665417191671711571/posts
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Damon Agretto damon.agre...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm receiving.
Currently re-reading the Mars trilogy. I didn't see anything on Brin's
facebook feed about a new book, but I'm
I have found Google+ to be way more engaging interesting than Facebook and
Twitter, and very good platform for having discussions sharing knowledge.
There are already quite a few Brin Listers using Google Plus; Alex, Doug
myself, plus David Brin, Dave Land and a couple of others that haven't
I have sent you an invite, Matt.
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Matt Grimaldi matzeb...@yahoo.com wrote:
If you still have an invite left, I would like one for matzeb...@gmail.com
Thanks,
-- Matt
--
*From:* Alex Gogan a...@gogan.com
Hi Pat,
I hardly ever use Facebook for the sort of reasons you mention below. I
think Google+ has dealt with those issues very nicely the conversations
there are mostly very interesting stimulating. If you are interested to
see what social media done well looks like you should give it a try.
I agree with Jon's comments about top and bottom posting.
Gmail does a great job of grouping e-mails, so quoted text is just an
annoyance as far as I am concerned. Isn't a stand-alone e-mail like this
one easier to read than one with a lot of quoted text?
Regards,
Wayne.
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