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From: Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:59:18 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Russia (Was What is wealth?)
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From: Dan M dsummersmi...@comcast.net
To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion' brin
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From: Nick Arnett narn...@mccmedia.com
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:59:01 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Admin: Moving the list
I'm happy with Bluehost (except for the lack of back-end access to Mailman
archives)... the issue is more to do with
Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day
before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius.
Global warming harumph.
The fact that it is colder in some places than normal may be a sign of
global warming. I know that some predictions say that global warming will
I'm sure there's chaos involved in that somehow. :)
Why? It sounds like a pretty clear pattern to me, not chaos.
My guess is that if you were able to sample the wind speed at that
point, you'd see something rather fractal, probably a 1/f
distribution. The periodicity probably is a
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From: Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:53 -0600
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Incoming!
Unless the fluid flow is completely laminar (which is extremely rare
in nature), there's turbulence involved, which is
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From: Nick Arnett narn...@mccmedia.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:17:07 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
From the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
As if Things
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:48:53 +1100
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
On 06/01/2009, at 7:58 AM, Dan M wrote:
With a few minor exceptions, the USA is running
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From: hkhenson hkhen...@rogers.com
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:17:41 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: biofuels and Li Batteries.
At 01:00 PM 1/13/2009, Dan M wrote:
I agree, but bioengineered fuels are not ethanol. There are algae that
exist right
Doug wrote:
Other stuff that struck me as profound:
Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not
just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring
convictions. They understood that our power alone can not protect us,
nor does it entitle us to do as
Doug wrote:
Furthermore, because of concerns about climate change and unrest in
the middle east, a prediction that batteries and cheap electric cars
are going to be in great demand over the next several decades is a
good bet.
I have no arguement against the concept that cheap batteries and
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From: xponentrob xponent...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:56:08 -0600
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
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From: dsummersmi...@comcast.net
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Friday
I didn't read about it before last night but this summary of the problem of
induction from the Wikipedia article on the Cosmological Principal
describes
my feelings rather well:
Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope can
shed no light on the state of things outside
On 26/01/2009, at 7:38 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Empirical observations of patterns occurring within a limited scope
can
shed no light on the state of things outside that scope.
If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary
theory out, beause we've
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From: Doug Pensinger brig...@zo.com
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:15:44 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity
Dan wrote:
If you really believe that, then you would throw most of evolutionary
theory out, beause we've only
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From: Wayne Eddy we...@bigpond.net.au
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:10:41 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Galactic Effect On Biodiversity
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Sent: Monday, January 26
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From: David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:08:53 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: On the Housing Market
Rceeberger wrote:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-housing-chart-thats-worth-1000-words-2009
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Housing prices may
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:10:27 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Iran
On 28/06/2009, at 8:15 AM, Dan M wrote:
Even with reporters locked up in their hotel rooms, I would guess than
marches of tens of
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:02:24 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: French tour etiquette
... the greatest show on earth
Well, IMHO, today was pretty exciting. Do you remember when a rider had
the best time
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:25:51 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Drinking Water From Air Humidity
Charlie wrote:
Read it again properly, and don't treat me like a first grader.
I asked how much energy is
An interesting aside on this. It took the Mercury program a bit over 9
months to go from the first sub-orbital flight to the first orbital flight.
The big private enterprise sub-orbital flight happened almost 5 years ago
(5 years this coming November IIRC). It cost 100 million to develop, and
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From: Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:04:59 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: WeChooseTheMoon
It seems like a cruel joke nowadays, that 1950's-1960's technology
landed human beings on the moon and all the more
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:59:48 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: WeChooseTheMoon
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Folks do get health care, just not in an efficient
People on this list have argued for the advantages of a free market system
for health care and health care insurance. I have thought about it, and
decided to apply what we know from other markets that have considerable
less government intervention.
For example, big screen TVs. If you have the
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:30:03 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Why not discuss the topic?
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Your writings are consistent with the
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:56:01 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
John, would
This went just to john instead of the list twice. I'm not sure why.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
If you understood the patent system and how these issues
Actually, I favor no patent or IP restrictions. I do not know of any
way to prevent gaming the system, and I think the benefits of the
system, as implemented, are outweighed by the costs, several of which
Dan mentioned.
Lets assume that companies that innovated got nothing more than a few
months
Compassion, folks. IAAMOAC.
I agree with your points Jo Anne, and welcome hearing from you.
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BTW, I chose IP gaming examples because that's what I know best. The
entire legal system is subject to gamingwhy do you think there are so
many lawyers who make so much money compared to those folks who create
wealth who make less?
Thus my earlier statement that we have too many laws
Compassion and government are strange bedfellows. I'd prefer to
express my compassion without government.
I understand. But, since you expressed it as I am not my brother's
keeper, that's what most folks would call no compassion. You are free to
express itbut we are free to disagree.
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:20:38 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
No, that is
Sorry John,
After several posts went to Brin-L I thought the problem was fixed. The
ones that do and those that don't all have similar headers oh my side.
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:30:31 -0700
To: dsummersmi
To: dsummersmi...@comcast.net, brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:43 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
I understand. But, since you expressed it as I am not my brother's
keeper, that's what most folks would call
The most enjoyable discussions for me involve new ideas or points of view
that I have not encountered before. People interested in SF seem to be
more likely to have unique ideas than people who are not SF fans. Not
that there isn't a lot of noise of conventional ideas mixed
in...anyway, I write
I do agree that there is little experimentation going on right now in
government. One of the best reasons for getting humanity out into
space is to allow that experimentation to begin again.
One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
they do not achieve the
Rob wrote:
LOL.I'm the cellar dweller!
Yea, that's true, but we know why. That's where all the best list wines
are kept.
Dan M.
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FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
The problems the article lists are real; I won't argue that the present
system is really messed up. However,
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From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:19:16 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
silver bullet for
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:21:45 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care
Another good reason for heath status insurance
John, you realize what you are arguing, don't you. If
Did someone say John's been on this list for 10 years? Did I misread
that??
I told John many of us had been. Maybe that got mangled. Maybe by me. :-)
Dan M.
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:08:44 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
I was just asking questions.
Actually, the same question has been asked and answered N
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From: Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:14:29 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Doug wrote:
Has he been arrogant at times? Maybe, but that sort of thing is
difficult
to
Since folks have expressed the desire to resume debating health care, I
decide to put out some of the facts concerning health care and public
opinion.
1) People want costs contained.
2) Most people, particularly the elderly, are fairly happy with what they
have now, but fear the future.
3) The
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From: Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:09:46 +1000
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: More Pluto Goofyness . . .
On 26/08/2009, at 9:03 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
What's a planet? Debate over Pluto rages on - CNN.com
No
I've got a question on Bill Maher and germ theory. In various non-Rush
type forums (e.g. the atheist alliance) there were numerous references to
his favoring of alternative medicines. The quotes I've gotten (including
the Letterman quote that his illness is due to being poisoned) are
consistent
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:14:11 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Ben Bernanke, fearless leader
Taking a complicated situation and equating it to a simple one, and
then assuming that what holds for the
I origionally just hit reply to while multitaking and the returned it just
to John. I'm sorry that it didn't go to the list, but I'm using my
portable which does not have my main sorter. BTW, the below is not
intended as a flame, but an accurate statement of what the posts indicate
to me. I
There is one other point that clearly falsifies the first do no
harm taken as an absolute rule for medicine. Take, for example, the
fact that there are always unknown factors and low probability events
in medicine. For example, even with the most common surgeries, there
is a chance
OK, my spell checker got me good.
We know that, while we cannot see trends as absolute rules when dealing
with
complex systems, the most persimmons model consistent within the data has
parsimonious
the best chance of being a reasonable approximation of what we will
An interesting article by Krugman appeared in the NYT magazine:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=4partner=rs
semc=rsspagewanted=all
http://tinyurl.com/kmtffm
In it he discusses how the ecconomists missed last year's bust. Not
surprising to anyone who's
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:46:44 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
The link was broken for me, but from
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
Dan M.
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:00:11 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.netdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Actually,
Even if everyone voted democratically to make some minority of people
slaves, that does not make slavery freedom.
Paying taxes != slavery. You are more than free to leave. You can't be
bought or sold.
The principle under discussion was whether a democratic vote is
equivalent to freedom to
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From: Ronn! Blankenship ronn_blankens...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:27:28 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
br
Some people fear that government-run health care will feature all the
cleanliness and
Bruce wrote:
What exactly *do* you propose as an alternative to public-option health
care
for people who aren't fortunate enough to be able to afford health
insurance that
will actually cover treatments?
You didn't ask me; but I thought I'd actually propose something that makes
sense.
What exactly do you propose for everyone in the world who cannot
afford basic health care such as childbirth assistance and infant care
and vaccination?
Well, Iraq showed how hard it is to help folks by forcing out bad
governments. My foster daughter Neli and I have talked on how best
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From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:28:02 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bruce Bostwicklihan161...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Or, for an even darker
John said:
That is incorrect. In 2007, the top 1% paid 40% of the federal income
taxes, the top 5% paid 61%, and the top 10% paid 71% of taxes. If the
middle class is 25%-75%, then the upper class, top 25%, paid a
whopping 87% of federal income taxes.
That's precisely what lots of people
wonder. Neither government nor business has a
record that exactly encourages optimism.
I guess it depends on perspective. Compare the lot of the median citizen
of the US with the median citizen of any country 500 years ago; 300 years
ago; 100 years ago.
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From: Rceeberger rceeber...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:29:35 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: DeLong on health insurance reform
On 9/7/2009 4:06:38 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, David
No apologies needed. I just remember so well person after person taking on
JDG trying to talk about different stuff (abortion, death penalty,
politics). While I think Dan talked the longest and the hardest, I came to
feel the guy just got off on fanning flames of dissention. Sort of like
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From: Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:13:40 +
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Knowledge of Complex Systems and Ecconomics
On 2009-09-05, Dan M wrote:
We know that, while we cannot see trends as
Some of the time, but only some of the time, I have the sender as the
poster, not brin-l. Alberto was nice enough to send it back to me so I can
repost it.
Dan M.
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From: Alberto Monteiro albm...@centroin.com.br
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:46:01 -0200
To: dsummersmi
OK, so I'm still harping on lifestyle as preferable over drugs in treating
and preventing chronic illnesses -- nice to have my opinion backed up so
decisively! (Not that meds aren't often necessary and life-saving; I just
don't like to hear them always put ahead of nutrition and exercise
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