RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
William T Goodall wrote: What of people who hold pacifist religous views? Using Osama bin Laden to make a statement about the general characteristics of religion is beyond ludicrous. Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The 'general characteristics' of

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
Ronald Blankenship wrote: Define theocracy. Frex, Christians believe that at some point in the future, Jesus Christ will return to Earth as its ruler. g In which case, wouldn't the belief that the entire Creation is God's doing and, thus, under Her ultimate control be defined as a

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 1 Re: religion is evil, why itmust be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 09:10:40AM +0200, Halupovich Ilana wrote: Belief in god is weakness, belief in nothing is immorality Vladimir Ilyich Lenin :-) I think it would be more accurate to say that belief in nothing is amorality. Of course, I've met few people who believe in nothing. I don't

Re: A reading gap is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/24/2002 11:33:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She taught before she graduated? No. She knew she was going to be caught, before she graduated. William Taylor ___

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Ritu Ko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated Ritu wrote: Ronald Blankenship wrote: Define theocracy. Frex, Christians believe that at

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
Ronn Blankenship wrote: (I won't quibble with you over the gender of deity at this point. ;-) ) Nothing to quibble about there, sir. It's a simple fact. ;) Btw, I meant to ask, what was the colour of the other half of that cat of yours? Ritu GCU Hanumani-Sindoori?there goes a

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Ritu Ko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:04 AM Subject: RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated Ritu asked: Ronn Blankenship wrote: (I won't quibble with you over the gender of deity at this

RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
Ronn Blankenship wrote: Btw, I meant to ask, what was the colour of the other half of that cat of yours? Other half? Not sure what you mean: Of course you don't. My bad. :) Your earlier mail had mentioned a half-kali dog. I somehow remembered a cat.. :) Ritu GCU Oops!

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Ritu Ko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: RE: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated Ronn Blankenship wrote: Btw, I meant to ask, what was the colour of the other half of that cat

Triple Aliance War (Paraguay) [was: religion is evil, why it must beeradicated]

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
I wrote: Richard Baker wrote: (...) How bad was the collapse of Paraguay during the War of the Triple Alliance - is it true that over half the population died? (Of course, that was during a war.) Yes and no. The numbers I have read - many times - was that _ninety_ percent of

Re: Vectors with scalar of zero

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
Alberto said: The number of sets of infinite vectors with one scalar zero is also infinite, but a much bigger infinite Uh, the components of a vector aren't scalars because they aren't unchanged by changes in coordinate system. But that's why I was confused by Mark's message - I translated

Re: Vectors with scalar of zero

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Richard Baker wrote: The number of sets of infinite vectors with one scalar zero is also infinite, but a much bigger infinite Uh, the components of a vector aren't scalars because they aren't unchanged by changes in coordinate system. I am using an heterodox definition of

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:03:39AM -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: So, Set Theory is a Religion? No. Definition or assumption is not the same thing as accepting something on faith. One is a convenience, the other is the main point. Even Science, at some point, requires you to passive accept

Re: Vectors with scalar of zero

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
Alberto said: It looked like nonsense because you are too Cartesian. Maybe you should think in some Riemmanian space, where the theorem of Pythagoras is no longer valid. Nevertheless, a Riemannian space has a metric (by definition), and so we can still generate scalars from the inner

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
It's not that those thing you listed aren't true, they are. They could still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you know that before the british came to india, there was a religious group in india called 'thugs'. the Thugs systematically killed more than an order of magnitude more

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Would you accept that places like Yale, Princeton and Harvard are OK schools? Or do they all pale compared to old schools like Oxford? Dan M. If they do, you'd have to be prety convincing, because I decided not to go to Oxford for graduate study because American universities universally

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:13:28PM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Should Democracy be banned because eventually we [*] elect a jerk, a tyrant, a thief or a megalomaniac? Erik replied: Should prostitution be banned because in the prostitution business some people might take unfair advantage

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Ronn wrote: Define theocracy. Frex, Christians believe that at some point in the future, Jesus Christ will return to Earth as its ruler. That should be some Christians There are a lot of different ways to interpret the New Testament... Reggie Bautista

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/02 8:17:01 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, as a conservative, my odds of actually getting an academic job are essentially zero, but that's the way these things work nowadays... Gautam Couldn't you take a drug, rent a wig, and

bush admin. trying to get miranda struck down

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/11/24/212952/17 Bush administration pushes for repeal of Miranda law (News) By Arthur Treacher Mon Nov 25th, 2002 at 01:54:09 AM EST Bush administration officials U.S. Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson and Michael Chertoff,

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Huh? There are plenty of conservative academic institutions. Hoover Institute at Stanford, to name a prominent example. Nick Actually, there are only a handful. In most surveys, well under 10% of academics report as registered Republicans. Among the Harvard government department the

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Ritu Ko
The Fool wrote: It's not that those thing you listed aren't true, they are. They could still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you know that before the british came to india, there was a religious group in india called 'thugs'. the Thugs systematically killed more than an order

propaganda and roadways

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/5349258p-6338265c.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Bush Seeks To Roll-Back Clean Air Rules

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
Bush Seeks To Roll-Back Clean Air Rules By Chris Baltimore 11-24-2 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration has proposed relaxing clean air rules to help old coal-fired power plants avoid costly pollution controls, a plan that nine states vowed to fight in federal court on health grounds.

ashcroft

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
What he said: http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/1097/ijge/gj-7.htm What he did: http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20021125/opinion/443603.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Hello again

2002-11-25 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
So over the weekend I get six or seven emails from Jeroen claiming he's not mailbombing anybody, and finally my curiosity is sufficiently piqued that I resub to Brin-L to see what's going on. Hi! What's up? (A month and a half ago I decided I was investing way, way too much time in the

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
People are evil, religion merely reflects this. Eradicate it and something else will spring up in its place. (Probably for $29.95/mo. with free installation this week only.) It'll be like trying to kill Hydra with a Swiss Army knife and a Zippo. Our civilization has already invested so much

Re: ashcroft

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: What he said: http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/1097/ijge/gj-7.htm What he did: http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20021125/opinion/443603.html Quoting from the second article: We think Ashcroft's time and effort would be better spent

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julia said: Can anyone come up with that data? I'll have a go at calculating rough figures. A quick Google finds that the population of India was about 300 million in Moghul times (I'm sure Ritu will correct me if this is wrong), the population of

Re: propaganda and roadways

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/5349258p-6338265c.html Quote from the article: Once we know what radio station you're listening to, then we know a lot about you, Langeland said. We know how old you are, where you like to shop, your household

RE: Hello again

2002-11-25 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Marvin Long, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 09:25 AM To: BRIN-L Mailing list Subject: Hello again So over the weekend I get six or seven emails from Jeroen claiming he's not mailbombing anybody, and finally my curiosity is

Re: Hello again

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 11:35:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So over the weekend I get six or seven emails from Jeroen claiming he's not mailbombing anybody, and finally my curiosity is sufficiently piqued that I resub to Brin-L to see what's going on.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reggie Bautista asked: Kneem, should the Republican party be eradicated because of the illegal actions of Richard Nixon? Should the Democratic party be eradicated because of the illegal actions of Bill Clinton? Should Democracy be banned

Re: Hello again

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:11:50 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, nothing important. Ah.. the usual Quoting The Goon Show: And there's more where that comes from. William Taylor Pull up a chair.

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:57 PM 11/24/2002 -0600 The Fool wrote: As long as there are people who believe these kinds of things, whether they are christians, jews, islamists, hindus or whatever, (and I know plenty of people with this kind of worldview personally), the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:18:09AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: The real problem is that we **don't** have a decent definition of religion, as things that are considered religions by most people differ substantially. To me, a religion is any

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: And just how many unholy wars did the Popes reside over during the dark ages Mr. Catholic? Not an awful lot, I would've thought. It seems to me that the main inter-religious wars during the Dark Ages in Europe were between Merovingian France and the Muslim armies in Spain and

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The 'general characteristics' of religion could be described with the pacifists as a footnote.[1] [1] Just rebutting your 'beyond

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:18:09AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote:

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The 'general characteristics' of religion could be described with the pacifists as a footnote.[1] [1]

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Ronald Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:47:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Fool said: And just how many unholy wars did the Popes reside over during the dark ages Mr. Catholic? replying: Not an awful lot I'd rather move up a few centuries. Even Tilly tried

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
Julia said: What percentage of muslims advocate theocracy? None of the ones I've run into (admittedly, a very small sample) were interested in such. I suppose that now's a bad time to launch my bid to become God-Emperor of the Known Universe, right? Rich GSV There's Always Next Year

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated That's not the point. They could in fact get to those proofs, even if they do not do so, those proofs do exist.

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Richard Baker wrote: Julia said: What percentage of muslims advocate theocracy? None of the ones I've run into (admittedly, a very small sample) were interested in such. I suppose that now's a bad time to launch my bid to become God-Emperor of the Known Universe, right? :D

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:30 24-11-2002 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: Should the Internet be banned because some people send out spam? Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some listowners abuse their power? Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some people resort to personal

RE: Hello again

2002-11-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:41 25-11-2002 -0800, Jeffrey Miller wrote: Strange, maybe Jeroen will do more GOOD for the list than bad? ;) That is as it has always been. It is now up to the listowners to decide if they want to keep it that way. Jeroen ___

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
Julia said: p.s. How large is the Known Universe? A few tens of billions of light years across. It depends on a rather flimsy ladder of distance measurements so I'm not sure exactly how big. And how can you govern as God-Emperor without FTL communications? I was planning to wave my arms in

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:33:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was planning to wave my arms in the general direction of the night sky and say I claim these worlds in the name of myself, Richard the First and Last, God-Emperor of the Known Universe. Pick

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:18:09AM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: The real problem is that we **don't** have a decent definition of religion, as things that are

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:10 AM 11/25/2002 + William T Goodall wrote: Is it? Quakers and other pacifist religions are a tiny minority. The 'general characteristics' of religion could be described

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for it or just have faith. So, Marxism isn't a religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for it or just have faith. So, Marxism isn't a religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof of the dialectic till the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: To me, a religion is any system of thought or ideaology in which, when you start asking questions, you soon reach the point where you have no choice but to passively accept what you are told: take my word for it or just

Re: stereotyping is evil, and why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Baker
The Fool said: The renasiance didn't happen until after the crusades, in which the crusaders brought back with them a great deal of knowledge from the greek and roman times. I wasn't talking about the Italian renaissance though, but the time before and during the Crusades. There wouldn't have

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof of the dialectic till the day he dies. Yes. But not to me because I undertand logic and find marxism illogical. What is logic?

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:53 25-11-2002 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Astrology is not a religion. UFOlogy is not a religion. Spiritism is not a religion. Shamanism is not a religion. Buddism is not a religion. etc However, given the worship of the Almighty Dollar by some people, one cannot help but wonder if

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not that those thing you listed aren't true, they are. They could still flare up, but the cold war is over. Did you know that before the british came to india, there was a religious group in india called 'thugs'. the Thugs

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 18:53 25-11-2002 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Astrology is not a religion. UFOlogy is not a religion. Spiritism is not a religion. Shamanism is not a religion. Buddism is not a religion. etc However, given the worship of the Almighty

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jeroen wrote: However, given the worship of the Almighty Dollar by some people, one cannot help but wonder if Capitalism qualifies as a religion... :-) Not Capitalism, but just one perverted sect of capitalism that believes that the dollar is worth anything but what is written in

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not the point. They

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. This may all

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Marxism isn't a religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:01:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is logic? I liked Spok's answerbut I can't say I remember it exactly. Something like: Logic is a beautiful flower--that smells awful. William Taylor - Let's use

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated a slight exaggeration. They existed from at least 1200's and annually killed [estimation] somewhere between

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not the point. They could in fact get to those proofs, even if they do not do so, those proofs do exist. With religion,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:16:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. Julia Ah. Perverted minds think alike. Why, thank you for the compliment! :) ~~~{~~~@ to Julia. William Taylor

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Marxism isn't a religion, because a Marxist will argue for his scientific proof of the dialectic till the day he dies.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: Are you trying to push godels theorem here? Now, *there's* something I'd like to see -- theorem pushers. :) As theorems go, that could be a difficult one to push. Proof of the quadratic equation, now, that's an easier pill to swallow. Julia who contributed to a

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] a slight exaggeration. They existed from at least 1200's and annually killed [estimation] somewhere between 30k-50k people / year. It could actually be higher or lower than that. It comes out it the same ballpark

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: As theorems go, that could be a difficult one to push. Proof of the quadratic equation, now, that's an easier pill to swallow. I once tryed to push the cubic equation (Cardano's theft from Tartaglia) to a younger friend with mathematical skills. He's a shrink

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: Formal logic is all computer scientist / programmers do. All formal logic system must have one [or more] axiom, but in math we keep that one axiom very very simple. What's the simplest one [or more] axiom you can base a system on? Julia

Re: Dude, you're getting a Godel

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:30:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you trying to push godels theorem here? Gödel showed that for any formal axiomatic system, there is always a statement about natural numbers which is true, but which cannot be proven in the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] a slight exaggeration. They

Re: Dude, you're getting a Godel

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steal from the best, I always say. William Taylor - Nicolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky school of ethics. Ethics or something else? :) BTW, thanks for resetting my internal soundtrack. I like Tom Lehrer, but I really shouldn't play the stereo while

Re: Dude, you're getting a Godel

2002-11-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:44 25-11-2002 -0500, William Taylor wrote: How about: Dr. Brin showed that for any formal science fiction universe, there is always a statement about the nature of life which is true, but which cannot be proven in the universe--and therefore makes for a good story. Steal from the best, I

Food isn't evil and can be eaten Re: religion is evil, why it mustbe eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/25/2002 2:34:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hope that isn't a rose -- I'm allergic. I'll make it a Carnation. An ice cream carnation, since Carnation is an old establised AZ brandname. Pink candycane

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:34:11PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: I'm actually preparing to write a scifi story where the government has outlawed religious expression (along with any racial references whatsoever). The point being that a) it doesn't work and b) they live

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets look at a couple of things religion brought us in the past before we examine this question. We have: the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the divine right of kings, jihad, forced religious conversions, thought crimes AKA heresy, caste systems,

Re: A reading gap is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only book I ever burned was The Bell Jar. I didn't think it was the right book to manditarily hand to a freshman. _Dianetics_. I read a few chapters, skimmed the rest, then ripped it up and poured bacon grease on it. (At the time I was curious about the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: K. Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:34:11PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: I'm actually preparing to write a scifi story where the government has outlawed religious expression (along with any racial references whatsoever). The point being that

Re: A reading gap is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only book I ever burned was The Bell Jar. I didn't think it was the right book to manditarily hand to a freshman. _Dianetics_. I read a few chapters, skimmed the rest, then ripped it up and poured bacon grease on it. (At the

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread K. Feete
The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent. And those math proofs do exist. Yes, but, as Searle and

Re: Food isn't evil and can be eaten

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 3:09:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm more a fan of Bluebell I think they start in Texas. I know Edmond OK has one. For 22 years straight I'd stop by for a day or two. SCA friend. Sorta like White Castle. Ya gottem or you don't.

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: K. Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets look at a couple of things religion brought us in the past before we examine this question. We have: the dark ages, the crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the divine right of kings, jihad, forced religious conversions,

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Erik Reuter
Marvin's back! On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:46:07AM -0600, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: It'll be like trying to kill Hydra with a Swiss Army knife and a Zippo. The Zippo might be more effective than the knife. Just lure it into a tar/petroleum pit and light! -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 3:12:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Screw eradicating religion. Let's eradicate politics and economics. grin It's not yet economical to eradicate politicians, but the Internet is certainly taking us in that direction. I'd rather have

RE: Hello again

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Marvin wrote: So over the weekend I get six or seven emails from Jeroen claiming he's not mailbombing anybody, and finally my curiosity is sufficiently piqued that I resub to Brin-L to see what's going on. Hi! What's up? Jeffrey replied: Ditto. Strange, maybe Jeroen will do more GOOD for

Re: A reading gap is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
William wrote: The only book I ever burned was The Bell Jar. I didn't think it was the right book to manditarily hand to a freshman. Debbi replied: _Dianetics_. I read a few chapters, skimmed the rest, then ripped it up and poured bacon grease on it. (At the time I was curious about the

Re: A reading gap is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/25/2002 3:12:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: _Dianetics_. I read a few chapters, skimmed the rest, then ripped it up and poured bacon grease on it. (At the time I was curious about the Scientology hoopla, and decided to read Hubbard's

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Kat Feete wrote: Therefore, Kant concludes, math is *not* transcendant; it requires reference to the material world and expression through it, and is therefore, as Merleau-Ponty will argue a century or so later, affected and defined, like all things, by our worldview and our subjective

RE: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool ... conquestadors, slavery, apartheid, and feudal systems were political and conquistadors: conquer, take gold, convert to catholicism. Notice how most of south America is adamantly

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread William T Goodall
on 25/11/02 12:18 am, Alberto Monteiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Baker wrote: Questionable. Communist might be considered a kind of religion, as some of its dogmas are based on faith. It explicitly rejects supernatural explanations though. Some religions also deny

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread The Fool
From: K. Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: No. Which exactly my point. If I can't prove my own existence I also can't prove god's existence. Math exists whether god, the universe, consciousness, I, etc. exist. Math is the only thing that is transcendent. And those math proofs

Re: religion is evil, why it must be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen asked: At 20:30 24-11-2002 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: Should the Internet be banned because some people send out spam? Should Internet discussion groups be banned because some people resort to personal attacks when they cannot win an argument? Jeroen Corruption delenda est van

Re: Food isn't evil and can be eaten Re: religion is evil, why itmust be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Carnation is a brand of instant hot chocolate. I've been known to buy it and fix it for myself sometimes. (I get the Rich Chocolate flavor when I buy it.) They also make a chocolate malt powder to add to milk, which I use in summer when it's

Re: Food isn't evil and can be eaten Re: religion is evil, whyitmust be eradicated

2002-11-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Food isn't evil and can be eaten Re: religion is evil, why itmust be eradicated --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Carnation is a

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