RE: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-10 Thread Mark A. Kruger
...@cfwebtools.com Skype: markakruger -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :) Fusebox went unsupported for a number

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-10 Thread Jake Churchill
...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :) Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama about who owned the source code (it predates modern

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-10 Thread John M Bliss
back to talk about frameworks I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :) Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama about who owned the source code (it predates modern open source licenses). There was a failed fork and then the community stepped in and created

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-10 Thread Russ Michaels
: markakruger -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :) Fusebox went unsupported

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-10 Thread LRS Scout
: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :) Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
But my approach to frameworks has been to 'wait and see'. Because I don't like wasting my time. I need to do something on a daily basis other wise it wont stick. I delayed learning any Framework and then just learned fusebox at a job/contract. I was going to ask, which frameworks

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Russ Michaels
I am still seeing a lot of legacy apps using fusebox, in perm jobs and contracts, so no harm in knowing it. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote: But my approach to frameworks has been to 'wait and see'. Because I don't like wasting my time. I need to do something

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Raymond Camden
Frameworks exist because they help solve problems - typically problems that are common and many people have experienced in the past. These problems are not going to go away. Yes, a particular framework X may go away, but learning it will not be a waste of time as you will gain the experience

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread John M Bliss
) they do or do not use. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote: But my approach to frameworks has been to 'wait and see'. Because I don't like wasting my time. I need to do something on a daily basis other wise it wont stick. I delayed learning any Framework

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
But focusing on 'which framework is more popular' and 'which framework may go away' seems a bit silly. I don't think so. The reason being is that I don't like wasting my time because if I don't use a thing everyday it doesn't get imprinted. For example - I've gotten semi proficient in java

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread John M Bliss
My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those frameworks in succession, because most of them feature MVC/OO/ORM/etc, that stuff should stick. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote: But focusing on 'which framework is more popular' and 'which

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those frameworks in succession, because most of them feature MVC/OO/ORM/etc, that stuff should stick. Yes everyone's comment applies,I was not intending to diminish anyone's perspective

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
Right...but...learning a new framework or two, depending on which you choose and how you use 'em, will make you a better MVC'er, OO'er, ORM'er, Frameworker, etc... ...if you take my meaning. And most/all of those things are likely to help you land your next job, regardless of which framework(s)

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread John M Bliss
I know. I was proposing a reason why wasting my time because if I don't use a thing everyday it doesn't get imprinted might not apply. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote: My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those frameworks

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Claude Schnéegans
Frameworks exist because they help solve problems This is why the best framework is the one you design yourself to solve your problems. Solutions for other people's problems ar not always good for you and may even cause more problems you will ever encounter

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread John M Bliss
For certain breeds of unique problem, that's probably true. For most breeds of common problem, let's not spend a week or two developing a custom framework before problem-solving commences. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM, wrote: Frameworks exist because they help solve problems

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Russ Michaels
cfscript and all the other most complex parts of CF, which rather defeats the point of using CFML doesn't it. The average newbie to CF really only needs to learn a handful of tags and functions to do what he needs on a basic site, even CFC's are not required. The frameworks, OOP and MVC topic really

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
I may just stick with FB for now, I already am comfortable with it. The path of least resistance... Lol ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
cfscript and all the other most complex parts of CF, which rather defeats the point of using CFML doesn't it. The average newbie to CF really only needs to learn a handful of tags and functions to do what he needs on a basic site, even CFC's are not required. The frameworks, OOP and MVC topic really

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
Russ, did I meet you in the UK a few years ago, you offered me some beer on a job interview? Lol ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Maureen
Agreed. I'm porting a number of sites to FW/1 on Railo and I've found the communities and developers for both to be extremely helpful. Also, in my experience FW/1 is much easier to implement than Fusebox. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Many people

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Judah McAuley
to me as a developer. Judah On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those frameworks in succession, because most of them feature MVC/OO/ORM/etc, that stuff should stick

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Russ Michaels
Lol, quite possibly, waz it an interview at loud n clear, the md always endded up dragging everyone to the pub. Regards Russ Michaels From my mobile On 9 May 2012 18:24, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote: Russ, did I meet you in the UK a few years ago, you offered me some beer on a job

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Nathan Strutz
I was going to ask, which frameworks are the most popular in terms of actual employment statistics but even then, it might all be a waste of time if my next contract doesn't use ( framework x,y, or z ). Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework, but by a better

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Matt Quackenbush
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Nathan Strutz wrote: The Model-View-Controller pattern is pretty ideal for web applications, and is one of the best tools we developers have these days. You can do it without a framework, it's not hard ( www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=307 and

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
I was going to ask, which frameworks are the most popular in terms of actual employment statistics but even then, it might all be a waste of time if my next contract doesn't use ( framework x,y, or z ). Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework, but by a better

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Don
Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework, but by a better methodology. By far, the most popular way to write web applications these days, an improvement over the old Fusebox days, and certainly enabled (and sometimes forced) by all the frameworks, is MVC. The Model

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-09 Thread Matt Quackenbush
, an improvement over the old Fusebox days, and certainly enabled (and sometimes forced) by all the frameworks, is MVC. The Model-View-Controller pattern is pretty ideal for web applications, and is one of the best tools we developers have these days. You can do it without a framework, it's not hard

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-08 Thread John M Bliss
Anecdotally: - http://cfwheels.org - http://coldbox.org http://www.coldbox.org/ - http://fusebox.org http://www.fusebox.org/ - http://mach-ii.com http://www.mach-ii.com/ - http://fw1.riaforge.org - http://ontap.riaforge.org - and others I recommend picking whichever seems

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-08 Thread Russ Michaels
some resources which may help you getting back into CF www.cf411.com www.cfsearch.com www.cfmldeveloper.com from these you can most likely find everything else you need On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Anecdotally: - http://cfwheels.org -

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-08 Thread Don
some resources which may help you getting back into CF www.cf411.com www.cfsearch.com www.cfmldeveloper.com from these you can most likely find everything else you need thanks guys. Wow, some old names I still remember. =)

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-08 Thread Nathan Strutz
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :) Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama about who owned the source code (it predates modern open source licenses). There was a failed fork and then the community stepped in and created a barrage of better frameworks

Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-08 Thread Gerald Guido
Many people believe Framework/1 (fw1.riaforge.org) is the true successor to Fusebox. +1 I ran into this the other day: CFMeetup 2011_0303 Simple MVC with FW/1, with Daria Norris http://vimeo.com/21864956 That should get you started with FW/1 in (fairly) short order. HTH G! On Tue, May 8,

after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks

2012-05-07 Thread Don
Hi, its been a while since I did any CF work. I am wondering what framework seems to be popular right now. I did a bit of fusebox and liked it. But am wondering about the others out there. I noticed CF builder 2 didn't have any support for it as did CFEclipse. I find that odd. Has FB gone

Hibernate with other frameworks

2012-03-06 Thread Brian Thornton
Can I ask what were the pros and cons of hibernate with CF9 compared to other frameworks? I get that for instance coldbox integrates with hibernate but wanted to hear some feedback from the framework architecture, deployment and development time was handled. BT

Re: Hibernate with other frameworks

2012-03-06 Thread Brian Kotek
I assume the other frameworks you're talking about are the MVC frameworks (ColdBox, Model-Glue, FW/1, Mach-II, etc.)? If so they really have nothing to do with each other. Some of them (like ColdBox) have optional features that work with Hibernate, but any of the MVC frameworks will work fine

Re: Unit Testing Frameworks

2009-10-27 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Judith Dinowitz jdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote: From what I can see, the last thing posted on the CFCUnit website is dated 2006. Is CFCUnit still a going concern? What Unit-Testing Frameworks are people using in the CF community? As others have said

Unit Testing Frameworks

2009-10-26 Thread Judith Dinowitz
From what I can see, the last thing posted on the CFCUnit website is dated 2006. Is CFCUnit still a going concern? What Unit-Testing Frameworks are people using in the CF community? Judith ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion

Re: Unit Testing Frameworks

2009-10-26 Thread Patrick Santora
Yes, CFCUnit has not been update for some time. CFer's have moved to unit testing frameworks such as MXUnit ( http://www.mxunit.org/) for back end testing and have started to use cfSpec (http://github.com/adelphus/cfspec/) for behavioral front end testing. I'm sure there are others out

Re: Unit Testing Frameworks

2009-10-26 Thread AJ Mercer
testing frameworks such as MXUnit ( http://www.mxunit.org/) for back end testing and have started to use cfSpec (http://github.com/adelphus/cfspec/) for behavioral front end testing. I'm sure there are others out there, but these are now mentioned more often in the community. -Pat (patweb99

Re: Unit Testing Frameworks

2009-10-26 Thread Barney Boisvert
: From what I can see, the last thing posted on the CFCUnit website is dated 2006. Is CFCUnit still a going concern? What Unit-Testing Frameworks are people using in the CF community? Judith ~| Want to reach

CFConversations 19: The first in a series of frameworks roundtable podcasts is up!!!

2008-10-19 Thread Brian Meloche
http://www.cfconversations.com/index.cfm/2008/10/19/CFConversations-19-Roundtable-6-Controller-based-Frameworks-Part-1 Enjoy! Sincerely, Brian Meloche brianmeloche at gmail dot com Producer and Host, CFConversations Podcast http://www.cfconversations.com Blog: http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog

Frameworks

2008-04-12 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
I've been reading up a bit on stuff like Eclipse, etc and I'm wondering which way to go. Flex looks interesting, but until Google fully implemented the indexing of Flash it's a direction I'm nervous about going in. I'm currently using Dreamweaver, CFMX 7, MS SQL 2000. I'd like to take my coding

Re: Frameworks

2008-04-12 Thread s. isaac dealey
Hi Jenny, The onTap framework (in my sig) has a lot of syntactic sugar built in, so you can build things like dhtml tabsets that are section 508 (accessibility) compliant without any real knowledge of javascript. Most (all?) other dhtml tabsets you find out there, like the ones in Spry would

RE: Frameworks

2008-04-12 Thread Sandra Clark
You could look at Dojo, which is a WAI-ARIA compliant (Accessible Rich Internet Application) DHTML framework. Frameworks mean many different things in the CF world. We have CF Frameworks, then there are Ajax Frameworks, Flex Frameworks. -Original Message- From: s. isaac dealey [mailto

RE: Frameworks

2008-04-12 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Thanks for replies ... I had a look at Eclipse today .. didn't find it as friendly to use as Dreamweaver, for sure. I ruled out Flex as it produces Flash. Maybe there is something that is more business-process oriented. Jenny No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version:

Re: Frameworks

2008-04-12 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a look at Eclipse today .. didn't find it as friendly to use as Dreamweaver, for sure. That's definitely true. If you are comfortable using DW you don't necessarily need to change - while there's a lot of

CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Neil Middleton
I might be being a complete chump here and not looking at this in the right way, but bear with me. Currently I have some apps which use a variety of different front-controller frameworks (e.g MG:U, Mach-II etc) and work well. All use coldspring to wire in a centralised domain model which accesses

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 04 Jan 2008, Neil Middleton wrote: connect to. However, I want to be able to wire this together using something like coldspring again so that different endpoints can call different parts of the domain model depending on who they are and what they are doing etc. Have you see the

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread AJ Mercer
, 2008 7:37 PM, Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might be being a complete chump here and not looking at this in the right way, but bear with me. Currently I have some apps which use a variety of different front-controller frameworks (e.g MG:U, Mach-II etc) and work well. All use

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Neil Middleton
at this in the right way, but bear with me. Currently I have some apps which use a variety of different front-controller frameworks (e.g MG:U, Mach-II etc) and work well. All use coldspring to wire in a centralised domain model which accesses the DB. The concept is based around a core

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Jo�o_Fernandes
Neil, you can use a ColdSpring Remote Proxy Bean , ColdBox or create your own remote facade to invoke whatever you need. I personally use my remote facades to connect to ColdSpring. -- João Fernandes http://www.onflexwithcf.org http://www.riapt.org

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Brian Kotek
frameworks (e.g MG:U, Mach-II etc) and work well. All use coldspring to wire in a centralised domain model which accesses the DB. The concept is based around a core business with relevant products that are developed for many customers. Now, lets say I wanted to put a flex front-end on some

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Charlie Griefer
I have some apps which use a variety of different front-controller frameworks (e.g MG:U, Mach-II etc) and work well. All use coldspring to wire in a centralised domain model which accesses the DB. The concept is based around a core business with relevant products that are developed

Re: CF - Flex Frameworks?

2008-01-04 Thread Sean Corfield
Yes, both ColdBox and Model-Glue added a Flex proxy as a way to wire in a little Flex - not to create full-blown Flex apps. If you already have a well-designed model that is independent of the HTML frameworks then you are most of the way already. Remember that Flex *is* a framework too so you

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Quackenbush wrote: I should have clarified my question. I completely realize that the 'form' and 'url' scopes (structs) still exist inside the various frameworks, so I know that I can directly reference them. However, in an OO world, you're technically not supposed to reference outside

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Dominic Watson
should have clarified my question. I completely realize that the 'form' and 'url' scopes (structs) still exist inside the various frameworks, so I know that I can directly reference them. However, in an OO world, you're technically not supposed to reference outside scopes

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Sean Corfield
On 10/14/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data changes should not be triggered by GET requests. Whilst I agree and that guides whether I use GET or POST within my UI (and it's OK to use method=get on forms if they are query-only forms such as searches), I would question whether it's

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Dave Watts
Question to Dave: do your applications actually verify that any data changing requests really use POST? Hell yeah! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC,

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Brian Kotek
I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, if adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple apps. I've seen the Rails folks obsessing about this, where they are forcing some normal URLs to be POST, and likewise forcing some forms to be GET, for no

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Dave Watts
I'm with Brian here - I don't see why this is critical. The only known cause of a problem in this area (that I know of) is when the Google Accelrator came out and it began auto firing Delete links in web admins. Any program that automatically follows links can cause this problem, as long

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Raymond Camden
I'm with Brian here - I don't see why this is critical. The only known cause of a problem in this area (that I know of) is when the Google Accelrator came out and it began auto firing Delete links in web admins. On 10/15/07, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm aware of this rule, it just

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Dave Watts
I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, if adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple apps. I've seen the Rails folks obsessing about this, where they are forcing some normal URLs to be POST, and likewise forcing some forms to be

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Massimo Foti
While I am not religious about it, if you see any url as a potential REST webservice, separating GET and POST make sense. Of course this apply much more to public facing urls, les to password protected ones. Massimo Foti, web-programmer for hire Tools for ColdFusion

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Brian Kotek wrote: I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, if adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple apps. I don't believe it adds complexity for the developer. Have you ever seen that popup that says: The page you are trying to view

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Brian Kotek
That's fine, but it doesn't change anything in my mind. Just because a crawler won't submit a form doesn't mean that a user (or a non-compliant crawler) won't. It's also not complicated for a user to modify the headers to issue a post instead of a get or vice versa. The point being, if you have

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Sean Corfield wrote: Suggestion to Matt et al: since all you really need to ensure is that certain requests came from a POST, you can write a filter (or whatever equivalent your framework de jour supports) that checks the request was a POST and encapsulate the logic in that one place (testing

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Brian Kotek
You're proving my point. Going through your app and changing any A HREF tag that targets a link that changes data on the server to use POST instead of GET *is* an increase in complexity. And, if I understand you correctly, you're doing it just to get a pop-up window from your browser? A pop up

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Brian Kotek wrote: You're proving my point. Going through your app and changing any A HREF tag that targets a link that changes data on the server to use POST instead of GET *is* an increase in complexity. And, if I understand you correctly, you're doing it just to get a pop-up window from

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I thought that the google web accelerator did all the convincing anyone needed. If I recall correctly, a lot of intranets had a problem with it in that lots of GET operations would alter data. The user would be logged in, and gwa would automatically fetch all GET links. There'd be no security

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Brian Kotek wrote: That's fine, but it doesn't change anything in my mind. Just because a crawler won't submit a form doesn't mean that a user (or a non-compliant crawler) won't. It's also not complicated for a user to modify the headers to issue a post instead of a get or vice versa. The

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Wowsers! Seems I hit on a hot topic. On 10/15/07, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Since the answer to both questions is No I will add a third question: How important is it *really* to know the variable came from a post? Jochem I don't allow data altering in my apps via a 'get', especially not

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Jochem van Dieten wrote: Would you do it if it were easier? For a while now I have considered proposing to the W3 HTML standard committee to add a method attribute to the href tag so you could also make a normal link fire a post instead of a get. Sorry, that should read 'to add a method

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Dave Watts
Just because a crawler won't submit a form doesn't mean that a user (or a non-compliant crawler) won't. It's also not complicated for a user to modify the headers to issue a post instead of a get or vice versa. The point being, if you have something that can trigger a data change,

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Brian Kotek
On 10/15/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Often, when a rule seems pointless, you may simply be missing the point. Which is, you know, the point of talking about it. The discussion has expanded my horizons since I had never considered the problems that Google accelerator or a secure

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Matt Quackenbush
On 10/15/07, Brian Kotek wrote: Back to the original topic, I still wouldn't be referencing the form scope from within the model. If you want to guarantee that the request was a POST, I'd do it in the controller before anything even gets to the model. Which is precisely what I was asking

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread James Holmes
It seems that if the framework doesn't let you know which request method the variables came from, the controller code will have to be modified to check the FORM scope with StructKeyExists() or, perhaps more appropriately, CGI.REQUEST_METHOD (if that is populated by your webserver). On 10/16/07,

Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Okay, so you pick a framework - just about any framework; Fusebox, ColdBox, mach-ii, Model-Glue. These frameworks fold the form (post) and URL (get) variables into an event object (or attributes in the case of traditional FB apps). But let's say that you want to be sure that the variable came

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread William Seiter
I haven't worked with very many frameworks, but my understanding is that they don't change the basic functionality of Coldfusion as a middle-tier. You should be able to call upon the 'post' structure for the value of those variables to verify that it was declared there. William -- William E

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Brian Kotek
you pick a framework - just about any framework; Fusebox, ColdBox, mach-ii, Model-Glue. These frameworks fold the form (post) and URL (get) variables into an event object (or attributes in the case of traditional FB apps). But let's say that you want to be sure that the variable came from

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Dave Watts
How do you guys (and girls) verify that it's a post var? Check the Form scope? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern

RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Dave Watts
I suppose I don't understand why you'd care if the variable came from a form field as opposed to a URL variable. Either way you're going to have to make sure the user is an admin and they they have the rights to delete something. Data changes should not be triggered by GET requests. Dave

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Michael David
Hi Matt! If you want to make sure it came from a form post, look in the FORM scope. :) -- Cheers! Michael David Sunday, October 14, 2007, 9:05:09 PM, you wrote: Okay, so you pick a framework - just about any framework; Fusebox, ColdBox, mach-ii, Model-Glue. These frameworks fold

Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Matt Quackenbush
I should have clarified my question. I completely realize that the 'form' and 'url' scopes (structs) still exist inside the various frameworks, so I know that I can directly reference them. However, in an OO world, you're technically not supposed to reference outside scopes. That is what

Mark Drew on his cfEclipse Frameworks Explorer - starting now

2007-05-17 Thread Nick Tong
The title says it all but: Mark Drew on his cfEclipse Frameworks Explorer - starting now: http://adobechats.adobe.acrobat.com/frameworksexplorer/ -- Nick Tong web: http://talkwebsolutions.co.uk blog: http://succor.co.uk f..works:http://cfframeworks.com short urls: http

Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Tong
**promo ** Mark will also be doing a workshop on this tomorrow evening (thursday 17th May) 7pm GMT / 2pm EST. http://www.cfframeworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/5/10/cfFrameworks-workshop-Mark-Drew-on-cfEclipse-Frameworks-Explorer On 11/05/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly Mark I

RE: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-14 Thread Peterson, Chris
Thanks Sean, that's what I was looking for. =) Appreciate your time! Chris -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale? On 5/11/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Andrew Scott
As Sean said And sometimes, if one is unsure it doesn't hurt in talking to the author either. But yeah not to familiar with a lot of these, and I know that the open source project I released under the Apache 2.0 license and my notes along with it, means that if you want to distribute my code

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/11/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Sean said Heh, fresh from a couple of legal audits of my team's code base (before I left Adobe a month ago). It was partly that process that brought sufficient pressure to bear on Joe to get the MG:U license changed - and on Paul to get

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Rick Root
On 5/12/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG:U was originally released under the Lesser General Public License (a bad idea) but has now changed to ASL 2.0 (like ColdSpring). Here's a question for the lawyers out there. If Model Glue was originally under the Lesser GPL... future

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Andrew Scott
*lol* I think the author still owns the righs to do what he/she wants with it... On 5/12/07, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/12/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG:U was originally released under the Lesser General Public License (a bad idea) but has now changed to ASL

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/12/07, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Model Glue was originally under the Lesser GPL... future version would be considered derivative works, would they not? The author(s) can choose change the license. If you created a derivative work from the old codebase, it would be covered by

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Andrew Scott
So with Apache 2.0, you need to apply the license to every file? On 5/13/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/12/07, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Model Glue was originally under the Lesser GPL... future version would be considered derivative works, would they not? The

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Sean Corfield
On 5/12/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So with Apache 2.0, you need to apply the license to every file? Yes. Every file must contain the standard ASL license text: !--- Copyright (c) , The Names Of The Authors Or Company Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the

SOT: Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-12 Thread Joe Rinehart
Which makes in an absolute thrill to automatically apply to a project containing .cfm, .as, .xml, .html, and other file formats all requiring their own commenting formats. If anyone needs an Ant script to do so, let me know. -Joe On May 12, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On

Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-11 Thread Peterson, Chris
Has anyone else tackled this one: I know very little about licensing of lesser GPL, Apache, etc. If I develop a site using the latest MG:Unity, Transfer, and Coldspring, are there any hiccups in their current license that would prohibit me from a) leasing the end result software package out to

RE: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-11 Thread Damien McKenna
How about either a) writing an installer that pulls down the latest code and installs it (most of them will work from the application root directory), or b) writing installation instructions that explains that the client first needs to install the separate components? Damien McKenna Web

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-11 Thread Marlon Moyer
That's going to open up a whole can of worms when the client tries to use a version of the framework you haven't tested on. Best to somehow package the framework with your product. On 5/11/07, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about either a) writing an installer that pulls down the

RE: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-11 Thread Peterson, Chris
licenses able to chime in? Chris -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale? That's going to open up a whole can of worms when the client tries to use a version

Re: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale?

2007-05-11 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
, Chris To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri May 11 21:14:32 2007 Subject: RE: Licensing on frameworks for Re-sale? I don't think you guys understood the question =) I would have the framework packaged with it, I was concerned that one of the licenses in either Transfer, Model Glue:U or Coldspring would prohibit me

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