Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 19, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Rick Mason wrote: Dick, Doug Engelbart was the inventor of the mouse.  Got the chance to meet him around twelve years ago.  One of his employees actually coined the name mouse. http://www.invent.org/hall_of_fame/53.html Rick Mason Yes, that sounds

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Ken Ferguson
, July 19, 2004 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one day they're going to succeed at running that company completely into the ground. They're still on the lookout for that guy

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Stacy Young
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... Whoa Matt, I was half-kidding. Like I said, they're still looking for a guy who can do the job right. Why

RE: Apple going bankrupt. was Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Ken Ferguson
...several good points... If, that is mismanagement, Jobs should teach business management at Wharton, or Harvard. Their competitors should shoud be so badly managed! Dick Yeah, I agree with you that Jobs is doing a great job right now. I just like to look into the history of a

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread James Smith
volume automatically adjusts based on the speed of the car because of the associated increase in noise. Again, you can easily change the volume of the radio yourself, but AAA studies show that is the number one cause of accidents. I must admit that when I had a Ford Focus that did this I

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Dick Applebaum
: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one day they're going to succeed at running that company completely into the ground. They're still on the lookout for that guy who can do the job right! Jobs, Sculley

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
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RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Ken Ferguson
I think you guys are a little blinded by emotion or something of the sort. Please listen to me as I state something VERY CLEARLY that I've tried to state several times, but you guys seem to skip right over. *** I'm not saying that Apple is any less (good/competent/rich/innovative...) than MS or

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-20 Thread Ken Ferguson
Or ended - you guys are right and I'm wrong, whatever... I think I've been wasting my own time trying to get a simple point across that doesn't really even matter. Sorry to have inconvenienced the LIST! -Ferg As Sean suggested, maybe this thread should be moved over to CF-OT or CF-Community.

perceptions (was RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)

2004-07-20 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't think I understand the point you are trying to make. You started with Apple was going bankrupt and then moved on to Macs being toys and now you are saying people just perceive Macs to be toys. Yeah, so what? It does all sound oddly familiar though. CF does scale... err I mean CF is a

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
://www.grida.no - | -Original Message- | From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 02:43 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... | | So what advice

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Mike Alberts
Amen to that! Can we please end all this 'Mac is the greatest thing since sliced bread' propaganda that seems to be more and more prevalent on this list. If you prefer to use a Mac, more power to you. Heck, I used them for years (but never again). But this is a CF list, not a Macintosh evangelism

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Samuel R. Neff
testing or don't value your testers, but testing should be a major part of any application and certainly takes time and money. Sam -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
My suggestion would be to buy a Mac and use Mac OS X for your everyday stuff. You can also install Linux on it and use UML (remember, context!) for various server related tasks. So, I'd have to boot out of OS X to run Linux, so I can run User-Mode Linux? How will that help me run Windows

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Matt Liotta
No problem, but are you sure you're qualified to admin Windows boxes if you didn't know how to run something as a different user? That's a pretty basic thing, you know! I am not qualified to admin Windows boxes, but then neither are most MCSEs either. I was aware that I could run services

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dave Watts wrote: The Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit comes with a native tail utility. And, I have Cygwin installed. However, there are plenty of alternatives out there for Windows that aren't Cygwin-based. I'll bet there's a tail in MS's Services for Unix package, which I think is free.

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
SFU is next to useless: you are not allowed to redistribute it. Why does that make it useless? There are lots of things that provide utility to me, that I can't redistribute myself. I can, however, redistribute the link to it: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/downloads/default.asp Dave

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dave Watts wrote: SFU is next to useless: you are not allowed to redistribute it. Why does that make it useless? According to Microsoft it is intended to help people port applications to Windows. That by itself works very nicely (for instance a PostgreSQL port to Windows was done in a few

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
I am not qualified to admin Windows boxes, but then neither are most MCSEs either. I was aware that I could run services as different users, but I wasn't aware that I could get a command-line as a different user using runas. There's no need to explain; I was simply having some fun at your

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Matt Liotta
There's no need to explain; I was simply having some fun at your expense. Seriously, though, if you're going to assert the superiority of OS X, it would be to your benefit to know more about the current versions of Windows. In a perfect world I would know everything about everything, so I

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
In reality, I know enough to make an informed decision. You might be a savvy buyer, but you're a lousy salesman. How informed can your decision possibly be, if you recommend one product over another based on features found in both? I have no problem with you saying that one product works

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Matt Liotta
How informed can your decision possibly be, if you recommend one product over another based on features found in both? It isn't really that hard to figure out. People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer be accurate, but the resulting the decision could still

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Ken Ferguson
Macs have long had a history of being first and Windows has had a long history of copying everyone else's good ideas. Do I know how each and every feature in Mac OS X compares with Windows 2003? No, because at a high level it is obvious where the innovation is. Longhorn sounds like it will

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
It isn't really that hard to figure out. People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer be accurate, but the resulting the decision could still be. People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer be accurate, and the resulting

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Matt Liotta
People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer be accurate, and the resulting decision is the wrong one, too. So, as decision-making methods go, this doesn't sound too good. People make decisions every day based on current information that is also accurate, and

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Matt Liotta
The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one day they're going to succeed at running that company completely into the ground. They're still on the lookout for that guy who can do the job right! Jobs, Sculley, Spindler, Amelio, and back to Jobs after Anderson had a cup

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Shawn Grover
Do a google search for The Art of Unix Programming, read through the first half of the book, then reflect on your statements...While they are not wrong, the intent behind them seems misplaced (my personal take on this, though I haven't been following the thread). In The Art of Unix Programming,

Apple going bankrupt. was Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 19, 2004, at 1:23 PM, Ken Ferguson wrote: The thing is, as I see it, they've tried over and over again and one day they're going to succeed at running that company completely into the ground. They're still on the lookout for that guy who can do the job right! Jobs, Sculley, Spindler,

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
People make decisions every day based on current information that is also accurate, and the resulting decision is the wrong one, too. So, as decision-making methods go, this doesn't sound too good. I feel like I've entered Bizarro World here. Are you honestly saying that it's no better to

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dave Watts
Do a google search for The Art of Unix Programming, read through the first half of the book, then reflect on your statements...While they are not wrong, the intent behind them seems misplaced (my personal take on this, though I haven't been following the thread). Can you be more specific

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Claude Schneegans
People make decisions every day based on old information that may no longer be accurate, [snip...] Macs have long had a history of being first You are exactly contradicting yourself here my friend. Mac is better for graphics, Mac is better for music... here are the old information. This was true

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Benjamin S. Rogers
In The Art of Unix Programming, you get an interesting history on WHY various OS's are the way they are It's also horribly misinformed. Though ESR seems to know a good deal about Unix, his knowledge of other operating system seems to be very shallow. In particular, some of the statements he

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Shawn Grover
PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... Do a google search for The Art of Unix Programming, read through the first half of the book, then reflect on your statements...While they are not wrong, the intent behind them seems misplaced (my personal take

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 19, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Claude Schneegans wrote: The truth now is that all programs developed for the Mac are know developed on PCs,... and eventually converted for Macs later. For the majority of programs, you are likely correct. Except, of course, those Mac-only programs.And, from

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Matt Liotta
I feel like I've entered Bizarro World here. Are you honestly saying that it's no better to know something before making a decision than not to know something, all other things being equal? Have you considered a career in politics? No and No, just showing that your argument wasn't sound by

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-19 Thread Rick Mason
Jul 2004 15:37:56 -0700 Subject: Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 19, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Claude Schneegans wrote: The truth now is that all programs developed for the Mac are know developed on PCs,... and eventually converted for Macs

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:11:48 -0400, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I could tell there's very little real difference in how well they work: they both (VMWare and VPC) do a damn, damn fine job. I've used both quite a bit too, and the main differences I've found are: - Virtual PC

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Aaron DC
Subject: Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:11:48 -0400, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I could tell there's very little real difference in how well they work: they both (VMWare and VPC) do a damn, damn fine job. I've used both quite

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dave Watts
Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what I've heard, not so much for Mac emulation of PCs, but for PC emulation of multiple PCs (the old IBM ploy -- If somebody is going to take away some of our business, it might as well be us!) Yes, that's the impression I have

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dave Watts
- Virtual PC's networking seems to work much better - setting up a VM as a computer on your network and getting internet access etc seems to work almost automatically. VMWare installs a networking driver on the host machine for this which I've found sometimes interferes with other network

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 17, 2004, at 8:11 PM, Jim Davis wrote: I'm doing all of my development now off a dual [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 1,5 gig of RAM running Windows 2003 and the Virtual Server Beta.  With that much RAM I can easily run 5 or 6 moderately configured Windows 2000 Servers with ColdFusion or SQL

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 18, 2004, at 7:02 AM, Dave Watts wrote: Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what I've heard, not so much for Mac emulation of PCs, but for PC emulation of multiple PCs (the old IBM ploy -- If somebody is going to take away some of our business, it might

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dave Watts
So, NT4 (and other older systems) are treated as legacy systems. Yes, that's MS's plan, I think. Are there any viri that recognize that they are running under emulation and attack out of the bounds of the VM? There's one that doesn't run correctly within a VM as of last week, according to

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Matt Liotta
On my laptop, I hit a wall at two concurrent VMs, and each of those has to be pretty bare-bones even for that. That's why I want to get a new laptop! Each VM requires a significant amount of memory, and running them concurrently taxes the CPU significantly too. While you're getting the new

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Jim Davis
happy with less than 512.The OS itself protects around 300-400 meg of RAM (at least Windows 2003 does) so the more RAM the better! Jim Davis From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dave Watts
While you're getting the new laptop you might need to change the OS as well. Matt, are you being paid by commission? Why is it, when people switch to Macs, they often become fanatics and try to convince everyone else to switch too? You people are as bad as ex-smokers, and rapidly approaching

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt, are you being paid by commission? No, but feel free to make a donation in my name to your favorite company that isn't a monopoly. Why is it, when people switch to Macs, they often become fanatics and try to convince everyone else to switch too? You people are as bad as ex-smokers,

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 18, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Dave Watts wrote: I apologize in advance to any Jehovah's Witnesses on the list - I'm just kidding. You folks aren't as bad as Mac fanatics. We are most commonly called:MacFannies or OSXists. For the record, I am not a switcher -- only computers I ever

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Dave Watts
As you might guess, User Mode Linux is just for Linux; not x86. Further, you might want to avoid using UML to mean User Mode Linux since UML means quite a different thing in the development world. Context is everything, you know! It's pretty clear what it means within the context of this

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Matt Liotta
So what advice are you giving me, exactly? My suggestion would be to buy a Mac and use Mac OS X for your everyday stuff. You can also install Linux on it and use UML (remember, context!) for various server related tasks. Expose is a pretty killer feature and let's not forget all those cool Unix

Re: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-18 Thread Claude Schneegans
We are most commonly called:MacFannies or OSXists. Then we should call an exOSXists| ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 16, 2004, at 7:04 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: 190mb RAM!?  What processes are you viewing to calculate that?  I have at present a 56mb peak.which is no more that DWMX2004 requires to even show a menu. I didn't state Eclipse was using 190MB of RAM. I stated that by default it is

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Aaron DC
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... SNIP Anyway, I was hoping the days of platform specific software for developers was over

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Anyway, I was hoping the days of platform specific software for developers was over. --- I am very curious as to your meaning here. I simply mean that having a tool that only works on Windows i.e. not Mac or Linux is pretty stupid.

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
Whether you use C++ or Java, there are ways to have a single code base that works across platforms, so why not do it? Because it might be more work to do this? Because it might not be worth the time on the part of the developer to spend this extra time? I truly believe the fastest growing

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Because it might be more work to do this? Because it might not be worth the time on the part of the developer to spend this extra time? It takes little to no additional time to support multiple platforms, so even a few percentage points in additional market is quite a good ROI. That's

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Samuel R. Neff
: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... I truly believe the fastest growing segment of the Mac and Linux desktop market is with developers. And why not? The level of stress a developer puts on their desktop requires Unix underneath

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
It takes little to no additional time to support multiple platforms, so even a few percentage points in additional market is quite a good ROI. Perhaps if you're already programming in Java, but there are plenty of VB and C++/MFC guys out there for whom it would take a significant amount of

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel R. Neff Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... I personally would not call any decision made by a knowledgeable individual

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Jason L. West, Sr.
Dave Watts wrote on 7/17/2004, 13:34: Because it might be more work to do this? Because it might not be worth the time on the part of the developer to spend this extra time? I disagree.If you are wanting to hit a particular market with a product, should you provide the extra time to provide

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Perhaps if you're already programming in Java, but there are plenty of VB and C++/MFC guys out there for whom it would take a significant amount of time to move to something else. In their cases, they might need more than a few percentage points in additional market share. Obviously if you

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Jason L. West, Sr.
Okay, I think we had lost focus on the subject of this discussion and that would be if the ROI would be there to develop cross platform applications for developers. Restricting most developers to on operating system to develop with your product is a poor choice.Developers are another bread of

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Jason L. West, Sr.
I just wanted to make a quick comment on your development environment. WOW!Must be nice to have the money for all of that software. So what do you recommend to us 1099 people who are going from project to project ?Or the developers who have that idea for an application and are working to

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
Obviously if you are programming in Java or .NET (thanks to Mono) there really is no work. I admit I haven't been keeping up with Mono, but are there lots of Mono applications out in the world now? If you are using C++ (MFC or not) there are plenty of cross-platform toolkits to get you

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
Because it might be more work to do this? Because it might not be worth the time on the part of the developer to spend this extra time? I disagree. If you are wanting to hit a particular market with a product, should you provide the extra time to provide the product in something that in

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
I just wanted to make a quick comment on your development environment. WOW!Must be nice to have the money for all of that software. So what do you recommend to us 1099 people who are going from project to project ?Or the developers who have that idea for an application and are working to

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
I admit I haven't been keeping up with Mono, but are there lots of Mono applications out in the world now? The idea is that .NET applications work on Mono as well, so yes. I am not really aware of Mono-specific applications as applications developed with Mono work on .NET as well. Do you

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
The idea is that .NET applications work on Mono as well, so yes. I am not really aware of Mono-specific applications as applications developed with Mono work on .NET as well. I guess the better question is whether there are lots of .NET applications that can run on non-Windows platforms

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 17, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: Have you looked at the numbers for how many developers are not using Windows? The number is quite large and according to the research will be passing 20% soon enough. Matt Can you point to a source for these numbers -- Intuitively, I think you

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
I guess the better question is whether there are lots of .NET applications that can run on non-Windows platforms using Mono. I believe there are. But you suggested I get a newer computer! That will certainly cost money. If I did get a newer computer, I suppose I could leave all those

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Can you point to a source for these numbers -- Intuitively, I think you are correct, but have not been able to find any reliable stats. I don't believe any research as specific as this is available for free. I get my research from Gartner and Meta Group, but it is rather costly. According to

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dave Watts
There is no way you can start IIS, CFMX, SQL Server, and be able to get a request handled in 30 seconds. You may start CFMX either through the services control panel or a script and it seem to start in less than 30 seconds, but CFMX isn't actually available to serve a request until later.

VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 17, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Dave Watts wrote: VMware is about $400 or so, and worth every penny. Dave You mention the above and in a later post that you are using VMWare more and more. Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what I've heard, not so muchfor Mac

RE: VMWare was Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Jim Davis
I've used both and I use VirtualPC exclusively now - not for any real reason, it just worked out that way.Also I'm on the beta for MS Virtual Server and the VMs are compatible across the products. >From what I could tell there's very little real difference in how well they work: they both (VMWare

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-17 Thread Claude Schneegans
Intuitively, I think you are correct, but have not been able to find any reliable stats. My personal feeling is that traditiannally one was counting Mac people PLUS UNIX/LINUX people. If one is still counting the same way, one is now counting Mac users two times: one for using a Mac, and another

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Recommendations? By default Eclipse can use up to 190MB of RAM, which works fine for me. I suggest you try other settings until the max is higher than the actual usage. It should be -- that's what a MMU and a PE Multitasking OS are supposed to give you. Yes, but each time you switch

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
- | -Original Message- | From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 19:41 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... | | On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:26:44 +0200, Hugo Ahlenius | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That's where I vote VIM as my CF

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
190mb RAM!?What processes are you viewing to calculate that?I have at present a 56mb peak.which is no more that DWMX2004 requires to even show a menu. _ From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2004 13:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Matt Liotta
re: (cf)eclipse/he3 -- I might give it a try the day it has implemented decent vi(m) key-bindings... No need to wait; Eclipse is ready for that now. -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Matt Liotta
190mb RAM!?What processes are you viewing to calculate that?I have at present a 56mb peak.which is no more that DWMX2004 requires to even show a menu. I didn't state Eclipse was using 190MB of RAM. I stated that by default it is only allowed to use a maximum of 190MB of RAM. Mine tends

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
-Talk | Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... | | re: (cf)eclipse/he3 -- I might give it a try the day it has | implemented decent vi(m) key-bindings... | | No need to wait; Eclipse is ready for that now. | | -Matt | | | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-16 Thread Matt Liotta
Great, but I doubt it will be complete enough -- there is always that special key-combo (or functionality) that one will miss. Another approach would be to have optimistic expectations. Anyway, below is a link to the viPlugin that should give you what you want.

RE: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)

2004-07-16 Thread Dave Watts
... I think you're exaggerating the difficulty of writing ASP.NET code in any generic text editor. It's simply not that difficult. It might not be difficult, but it is more time consuming. I'm personally finding the difference to be less and less over time, actually. Even the best

Re: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)

2004-07-16 Thread Robert Munn
So the question isn't whether or not to have tools, but what sort of tools will they be? Personally I'd like a tool that can fill in the blanks on simple coding tasks. Templates and wizards help to some extent, but I'd like something smart enough to go back and fix my mistakes, add missing

RE: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Dave Watts
Most people are comfortable with the notion that CFML is a RAD platform, while Java and .NET are not. I suspect many .NET developers would not be comfortable with this notion, actually. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Dick Applebaum
trying to get used to a new program Ray At 11:29 AM 7/15/2004, Marlon Moyer wrote: What's DWMX 2004 performance like compared to eclipse/bbedit? -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best choice

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Dick Applebaum
Some more random comments to the many posts on this thread. Rob pointed out that Eclipse is slow on the Mac (in comparison to other Mac Java apps) because IBM wrote Eclipse using its own SWT toolkit, rather than the standard stuff from Sun.Apple optimized much of Sun's Java GUI stuff for the

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Guy Rish
-Talk Subject: Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... On Jul 15, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: This is different than He3 in which we aim to provide an IDE for CFML development. CFML development includes more than just CFML; it also includes HTML, SQL, JS, CSS, XML, Fusebox, Mach-II

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Jason L. West, Sr.
To All: Man I am loving this Flame War.I wanted to respond to this particular post because it seems Sean has caught the most heat for his opinion on the products whether they are bias or not. I had some issues getting first setup with the He3, I had been forced to use the Eclipse plugin install

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Jason L. West, Sr.
Man I am loving this Flame War.I wanted to respond to this particular post because it seems Sean has caught the most heat for his opinion on the products whether they are bias or not. I had some issues getting first setup with the He3, I had been forced to use the Eclipse plugin install method

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Marlon Moyer
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... I got curious and downloaded Eclipse this AM, and as far as speed, DW is beat down bad by CFEclipse.However, right now I find the whole thing rather cumbersome

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Marlon Moyer
What's DWMX 2004 performance like compared to eclipse/bbedit? -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... So, because of what a Mac user is accustomed to, in Eclipse: 1

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Ray Champagne
Subject: Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... So, because of what a Mac user is accustomed to, in Eclipse: 1) switching windows is like switching pages in a book when the pages are stuck together 2) typing/selecting/manipulation of content feels like you are wearing mittens

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:59:33 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He did say that CFEclipse was slow No, I didn't. Spike is correct - the issue was a very specific CFEclipse bug that they've already fixed in CVS. [2 windows] Pretty standard way of doing things on the Mac (at least

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Spike
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... I got curious and downloaded Eclipse this AM, and as far as speed, DW is beat down bad by CFEclipse.However, right now I find the whole thing rather cumbersome, and for about an hour now I have

RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...[ENCRYPTED]

2004-07-16 Thread Stacy Young
AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE... I started to use Eclipse 3.0 (with CF plugin) and must say that I haven't opened up HS+ since.I installed and looked at He3 (strange choice of name...dunno what it has to do with a Helium Isotope...) http

RE: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)

2004-07-16 Thread Ken Ferguson
. Ferg _ From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...) So the question isn't whether or not to have tools, but what sort of tools will they be? Personally I'd like a tool

RE: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)

2004-07-16 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
Ken, that's not Hal Helms is it? -mk -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...) I know you're half-kidding here, but you're not too far off of what

Re: RAD (was RE: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...)

2004-07-16 Thread Robert Munn
I am half-kidding, but I would like a tool that is smart enough to show inline spelling and grammar problems and fix them. Just like the spelling and grammar tools in Word, this should be a feature you can disable if it gets in your way. The biggest obstacle I see to building tools like this is

Re: Best choice for ColdFusion Studio IDE...

2004-07-15 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 14, 2004, at 8:54 PM, Spike wrote:   Barney are the first people to say that Eclipse is slow on that platform. Sean C. also mentioned this. Did he? I thought he said cfeclipse was slow, or rather that it ate up his CPU. That was an issue with the internal browser and has been fixed in

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