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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
On Friday 14 Mar 2003 23:21 pm, Joshua Miller wrote:
Actually
, March 17, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
So only Oracle is a real world database? Where do you get this kind of
information?
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From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
From a UI standpoint it falls through on other levels. It
seems like
24-25
items per page is a really small
: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
From a UI standpoint it falls through on other levels. It
seems like
24-25
items per page is a really small number for pagination
when the list
is over
500 or 1000 items. Under Functions, CFC's Custom
On Friday 14 Mar 2003 23:21 pm, Joshua Miller wrote:
Actually, Flash Studio Pro can access mySQL databases in remote
locations and they're working on MS SQL Server connectivity as well
Well that'll be usefull in the real world. Not.
Support for a proper DB at all ? I'm thinking one begining
On Friday, Mar 14, 2003, at 08:10 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
Real simple stuff -- just go to the first page of the Devex and under
Applications Collaborative Computing you'll see it says at the top
left
Displaying 1-24 of 25 items and it is indeed showing 24 items in the
list,
so
Sean Corfield:
We try to fix bugs as soon as we know about them!
Don't get me wrong. I'm really not trying to criticize Macromedia. As firsts
go, I think both CF MX and the new MM site are smash-up jobs. As with all
(or most) firsts, there are plenty of wrinkles that still need to be ironed
On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 23:52 pm, Pablo Varando wrote:
Well, Macromedia has changed the site with the feedback they received from
the community.
http://www.macromedia.com
Like it better? Worse?
Much better.
RIA's are not ready for general use instead of a HTML site. They take too long
to
think RIA's are for sections or just to some part of a website.
Regards.
Leonardo.
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From: Thomas Chiverton
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
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Do you have a link to the old support page that you're referring to, Doug? I'm not
sure I know which page you're talking about.
Deb
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:20 AM
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From: Debbie Dickerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
| Do you have a link to the old support page that you're referring to, Doug?
I'm not sure I know which page you're talking about.
|
| Deb
I like that they've switch the home page from a lifestyle marketing approach
to a product marketing approach. It's interesting to see though that the
color scheme appears very geared towards the old blue images on the tan
background, and now with the white it feels a bit weaker.
-Kevin
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
| Do you have a link to the old support page that you're referring to, Doug?
I'm not sure I know which page you're
Please make sure you submit these suggestions to the following URL:
http://macromedia.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
As I hope we have demonstrated, we take feedback seriously and read it
all. There are some good ideas here this morning, and I want to make
sure they are captured.
Christian
On
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From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Please make sure you submit these suggestions to the following URL:
http://macromedia.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
As I
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From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
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Please make sure you submit these suggestions to the following URL:
http://macromedia.com
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-Original Message-
From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
I read their what we learned report and it makes fascinating
reading. They always said they take feedback seriously
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From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
webfeedback.cgi?
what the heck...why does mm use cgi and perl, I assume?
not to sure
-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Please make sure you submit these suggestions to the following URL:
http://macromedia.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
As I hope
critical bugs.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site
, 2003 8:30 PM
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
I have read their what we learned report and it makes fascinating
reading. They always said they take feedback seriously, and this shows
how seriously they do take it. It's interesting to see how they
measure their performance
that works ok redone in coldfusion
so it works just the same.
Cheers,
Michael Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks.
-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2003 2:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site
Well Done Thomas, mm page was taking forever to load..
Maybe mm could do the same with the cf tag gallery
(Coldfusion Exchange now).
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?view=
sn130
It takes to much time to load and the worst problem is you
can't open pages in a new
Ouch. ZDNet wasn't to kind about macromedia.com.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2131698,00.html
Again, the new version is much better and I hope ZDNet writes a
follow-up article on how Macromedia has graciously responded to all the
criticism.
But I do with Macromedia would stop touting
webfeedback.cgi?
what the heck...why does mm use cgi and perl, I assume?
not to sure what that tells me?
Oh man, don't start this one again!!
As Sean and other Macromedians have mentioned, the sheer depth and
complexity of migrating the old Macromedia site meant that not everything
could be
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From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:38 AM
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:54 PM
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oh ok.
that makes sense...but come on...a simple feedback form :)
heck, ill do it, and send ya the code :) jk, mike...it just hit me
funny, we are all soo cf sensitive, me included
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-Original Message-
From: Mosh Teitelbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Hey Tony:
Did you have to pass a test
cliff is actually penning some notes for it as well :)
Yeah, he refers to them as CF-Talk.
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, March 14, 2003 3:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
cliff is actually penning some notes for it as well :)
Yeah, he refers to them as CF-Talk.
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From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
This is a snippet of a response to the ZDNet article about
Macromedia.com, I thought I'd pass it along here as well ...
RANT
... with RIA applications
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-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop
Joshua Miller wrote:
... with RIA applications you will inherently have a longer load time
because you're loading the entire application at once. With traditional
web applications you get page-by-page loads which is faster initially,
but overall I would imagine you sit and wait longer for
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps.
Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file
manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via flash. So even
in the most advanced RIA, if any client files are needed, you
Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
I normally
When a Flash app takes 35 seconds to load, max's out my processor and
slows my machine down to load the equivalent of 50 HTML pages, I have to
question the wisdom of RIA. Photoshop doesn't take that long to load on
my system and it's a heck of a lot more robust in it's abilities than
any
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From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the other hand, I believe that Macromedia could make a killer
application by developing some webmail client in Flash.
I think it is still in beta but:
http://www.postio.com
is a RIA webmail client / service.
mike
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-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional
-in
to the browser it's designed for, but that's the price you pay.
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Jochem,
But isn't this where the conflict lies
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From: Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
| If Flash were allowed to access the filesystem directly, you'd have all
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Jaye do you have the I'm smarter than you, so you are wrong argument
ready for cut and paste?
Seriously Zero, what did I say that was so idiotic? Could you explain to
me why it's so
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file
uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's disk
(outside of the cookie-esque system in place). But isn't that where
security issues would come in to play? Now I would have an
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps.
Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file
manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via
Precisely. Thus, Flash has no interaction with the filesystem, so there
isn't a problem, other than the implementation.
barneyb
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From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site
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From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
1. You can make a call from flash
it immediately and
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From: Svee, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
1. You can make a call from flash to a cfc, accessing the cf_file
function and upload a file that way. FlashMX and CFMX are built for
intergraction. Additionally you can do some very cool server side
scripting.
2. What about the concept of the web
: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Jochem,
But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file
uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's disk
(outside
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:46 PM
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1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network and server,
hence the term 'desktop' application. You can indeed access CFCs from
Flash, but exactly how does that get around needing
, 2003 5:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file
uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's disk
(outside of the cookie-esque system in place). But isn't
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From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Jochem,
But isn't this where the conflict lies? If Flash is to have file
uploading, it means it would need some way to access the client's
, 2003 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps.
Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file
manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via flash. So even
in the most advanced RIA
, 2003 5:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Adrocknaphobia Jones said:
1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network and server,
hence the term 'desktop' application. You can indeed access CFCs from
Flash, but exactly how does that get around needing HTML to make
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Adrocknaphobia Jones said:
1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network and server,
hence the term 'desktop' application. You can indeed access CFCs from
Flash
Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com wrote:
2. What about the concept of the web on your desktop, everywhere you
are. In additionl, look at what intel just released in their NEW chip.
Not only low battery usage, mega horsepower but built in wireless
802.11b connectivity. Flash is JAVA realized.
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Totally different systems. Emails are sent to a server before being
pushed onto the client. At the server we can analyze the email, check
for macros, and run virus protection on all attachments. Flash
applications can be requested by any user and there is no server
I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people can
say really idiotic things.
I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people forget that
politeness is a virtue, and that logic is more suitable for discussion than
rhetoric and ad-hominem attacks.
You can try to resist the
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Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com wrote:
2. What about the concept of the web on your desktop, everywhere you
are. In additionl, look at what intel just released in their NEW chip.
Not only low
1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network
and server, hence the term 'desktop' application. You can
indeed access CFCs from Flash, but exactly how does that
get around needing HTML to make an API call to the browser
to get local disk access? (Thanks for pointing that out
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network and server,
hence the term 'desktop' application. You can indeed access CFCs from
Flash, but exactly how does that get around needing HTML to make an API
call to the browser to get local disk access?
Why would
Take a look at this site: www.myhtpc.net
Flash has many useful uses then just as a web-based environment.
Kevin
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
1. It's
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Ok stop me if I'm wrong but this is my rationale.
The browser, which is a trusted application, cannot access the file
system without direct command of the client.
Sure it can. It won't, but it can.
The user has to actually
click the button to initiate. Being
Miller, Kevin wrote:
Actually, this one of the things that pure HTML can do rather well.
Yes and no. With clean-cut HTML and stylesheets you can get pretty far
with displaying content. But typically those are not what I would call
applications, they are more websites as for instance email
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-Original Message-
From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
1. You can make a call from flash to a cfc, accessing
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
1. It's not a desktop application if it needs a network
and server, hence
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Ok stop me if I'm wrong but this is my rationale.
The browser, which is a trusted application
, March 14, 2003 6:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people can
say really idiotic things.
I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people forget that
politeness is a virtue, and that logic is more suitable
Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Miller, Kevin wrote:
Actually
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
Right on, but I think you put my concerns into a better language. Where
an HTML document is open source data
You think so? You haven't been in news.admin.net-abuse.sightings lately
I presume :(
a SWF is executable code. It seems
much more threatening to give this
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-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Hey Joshua
: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
Actually yes, someone did say that Flash would replace Visual Basic.
That's what started this whole thing.
You have to realize, what Macromedia is doing is laying the groundwork
for a whole new way to create
I have read their what we learned report and it makes fascinating
reading. They always said they take feedback seriously, and this shows
how seriously they do take it. It's interesting to see how they
measure their performance and there are some lessons there for most of
us I'd bet.
For me,
I read their what we learned report and it makes fascinating
reading. They always said they take feedback seriously, and this shows
how seriously they did take it.
I am a little embarrassed by how brutal the CF community was in their critique
of the beta-1 site, but it is obvious that no matter
Mike,
Did u get your cfmx installation problem solved?
Joe Eugene
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From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?)
I have read their what we learned report and it makes
*twitch* is there a reason why you can't conveniently find a list of all
currently availible MM updaters? IE I want any updater's availible for all
of the Studio MX suite (CFMX/FlashMX/Contribute/freehand/etc) and CFSTUDIO
5.0 updates if there are any but the only way I can find to get the
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