Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Not sure what working in it for 30 years has to do with the topic, this tells us you had a job in a specific area for a certain time thats all, it certainly doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about i.t, or that you were even good at it. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 18, 2013 5:22 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I said, tired of helping them feed me adverts. They base the adverts they feed on everything they know about the target. I keep my data backed up. Dave, I spent 30 years in IT and most of it as an IT manager. I get by. Seems to chose to ignore most of what I said . No, I didn't ignore any of what you said. I just pointed out that Google Apps for Business doesn't contain ads, and Google doesn't use your Apps for Business email to figure out how to serve you ads. Their terms of service prevent them from doing this. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355478 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing an email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against that client. Would that help? I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. Sincerely Mark Drew On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355479 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty of insulting, off-topic remarks. Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think? And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion, has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with, Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing something else, like using Google Apps for Business. And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. Perhaps should anoint a few of you know-it-alls to be a CF-Talk Advice and Solution Panel. Those of us who aren't smart enough to make the cut for that panel can then bring offerings, explain our situation, and wait for you the panel to dispense its wisdom as to how we should proceed. But, imagine! Some might dare to ask a question that by-passes the panel's usual modus operandi, come up with an idea on our own, and ask a question that seeks an answer to just a simple-minded question. But this happens all the time on this list. Many questions that are posed get no real answer; instead they get a list of replies that typically sound like this: I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but you should... and a solution is offered that doesn't address the original question. Well, if you don't know what I'm trying to accomplish, or if you do, but don't know how to solve it, just keep your mouth shut. Or offer solutions only to the OP's questions. Stop trying to push the OP towards something *YOU* prefer. If I wanted to know what solutions existed, I'd ask that question. Or I can ask that question instead: Are there any existing solutions that offer an email archiving system that I should consider?. But that's not what I asked. I've already looked at Google Apps for Business and had decided that I didn't like what I saw; found the solution overkill for what my client needs.. they need email, not email + calendar + drive + docs, etc., etc. Some of that has already been offered to my client and they didn't want it. It just might be, MIGHT BE, that I know my clients and what they need better that you wanna-be CF gods who quickly avoid answering OP questions and start imparting unsolicited wisdom. The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs. AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house), to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that Google, or any other vendor can't come close to. Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless discussion. Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous length. Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:23 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Not sure what working in it for 30 years has to do with the topic, this tells us you had a job in a specific area for a certain time thats all, it certainly doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about i.t, or that you were even good at it. Regards Russ Michaels
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial. But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send. Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically displayed in-line with the other persons responses. Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation. We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder. Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation, like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in current offerings. And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me. It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation. It's time for a new approach. That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing an email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against that client. Would that help? I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. Sincerely Mark Drew On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355481 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I see what you mean now and yeah, that shouldn't be *too* hard to build. If I had to solve this I would look into either IMAP or POP hooks into the mail server. THen import that into a database for example, so it can be queried. The problem with your SMS Vs Email analogy is that (on my iPhone anyway) my message history is by person. In email, the history is by conversation (or subject line) which you need some parsing to get that they are related and then more parsing to remove replies. There are some things that can help, for example (in Railo anyway) there is a EMail Event Handler that will trigger actions when a new email has arrived into your POP mailbox. You could extend it to work with IMAP for example and search in the Sent folder? I would really have to look at the options you have with your mail server. The NEXT thing (and if I recall, I think Russ mentioned this to me a long while back) could be actually creating a SMTP/POP EventGateway that then stores emails and what have you . Or find a SMTP/POP server that has an API that you can then work with, of which I don't know any. Anyway, just some thoughts that I am sure you have also had. Regards Mark Drew On 18 Apr 2013, at 12:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial. But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send. Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically displayed in-line with the other persons responses. Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation. We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder. Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation, like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in current offerings. And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me. It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation. It's time for a new approach. That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing an email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against that client. Would that help? I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. Sincerely Mark Drew On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355482 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) âAm I missing something?â Just set their mail clients up to auto bcc themselves! -- mac jordan www.kestrel.org | www.reactivecooking.com | www.jordan-cats.org twitter: @ramtops ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355483 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I do think you have rather thrown the toys out of the pram here over mine and Dave's Google Apps answers when we were only answering your questions and correcting your misconceptions. One thing that happens often in the world of CF and on this list is that people try to use CFML for everything and thus for tasks it is really not a best fit for. So it would be pretty a poor community if everyone just said here is how to do it in CF without advising you there were better ways to do, or that you are trying to re-invent the wheel. I clearly know a lot more about GApps than you, and Dave knows more than me, so obviously we wouldn't just sit here and let you think it cannot do what you want when it clearly can. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty of insulting, off-topic remarks. You are right that sometimes things do go way off topic and sometimes people are a bit holier than thou, but sometimes it is also warranted. Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think? Absolutely not, and that misconception is precisely why people say that. I have known many people who have worked in I.T, accounting, been developers, etc their whole life, but are really not very good at it, but can still get jobs none the less. Sure that is not true for everyone, but it is a pointless statement as it means nothing and mostly people say it just to shut you up. Cowboy builders convince people to hire them simply by saying I have been doing this for x years, and their victim then blindly assumes that must mean they are good at it. And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion, has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with, Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing something else, like using Google Apps for Business. Actually that is not the case. The only reason the Google Apps discussion went on is because you said it can't do x and y so we simply pointed out that it can in fact do x and y so does indeed meet your requirements. And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. You found it unsuitable because as you have shown you did not know how to use or how it worked, thus your misconception The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs. It is shame you had not mentioned that at the Start as both myself and Dave could have then pointed out to you that Google Apps is completely FREE for non profit orgs. Therefore developing a custom solution in CF would definitely be more expensive. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355484 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. You stated a set of requirements, and I pointed out that Apps met your requirements. You listed a bunch of reasons you found it unsuitable, and I pointed out the reasons you listed (selecting and deleting emails, etc) weren't valid. I don't know anything about your clients, but I do know that the problem you described, as you described it, can easily be solved by using Apps. I don't really care what you do with that information, but when you post a question to a public list you should expect that people will provide all kinds of answers to those questions. You may not like those answers. That's ok, you're free to disregard them. But if you post responses that say x isn't a suitable solution because of y, and y is not actually correct, people will tell you that. If you'd just said I'm not interested in Google Apps without stating specific and incorrect justifications, that would have been the end of it. The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs. Fortunately for your nonprofit client, they can use Apps for Nonprofits for free. I recently set up Apps for a Catholic diocese to get them off of GroupWise, and they paid nothing. And based on your responses here, I'm not sure I'd be talking up my great people skills if I were you. But I do just fine managing relationships with people, and have not been anyone's employee for many, many years. Thanks for asking! AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house), to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that Google, or any other vendor can't come close to. First, this is probably not the appropriate venue for us to air our political beliefs. Second, maybe you can build a custom solution that ... whatever. But you originally stated a pretty simple problem, and I provided a simple solution to that problem. I'm sorry that's got you so flustered, but my advice to you is to get over it. Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless discussion. I had no idea this was your mailing list. I thought it was a public mailing list. I'm going to have to ignore your advice. It's bad advice. People ask all sorts of questions about how to do things, and sometimes those questions aren't really the right questions to ask. Imagine if someone posted on here that they wanted to save their client money, but they wanted to build something that worked just like ColdFusion or Railo etc and did not want to use ColdFusion or Railo themselves. Wouldn't you feel inclined to point out that these already existed? Would that be a wrong answer? My advice, in turn, to you is that if you don't like free advice, ask for your money back. And if you don't want a discussion to continue, don't respond - especially with things that are factually incorrect. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355485 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous length. Rick - Please take this in the most constructive way possible. You asked a question, got a overwhelmingly consistant answer from the entire list that you're doing it wrong. Now you are being somewhat unreasonably upset about that answer (considering you asked for input). You seem very fixated on a very very specific solution to a problem when you may be better served to have a wide open mind and listen to all opinions. Sometimes if everyone around you is saying you're doing it wrong, then there is nothing more to it than just that. Often I talk to clients who start by telling me what they think the solution to their problem is. Sometimes it's a good solution, but often (usually due to their inexperience), it's not really the best solution for their problem. Instead I try to ask them to tell me their *problem*, not their *solution*. Until the client can let go of their preconceived notions of what *they* think the best solution is, we really aren't giving them the best work that we can. Take a step back and look at the question you were asking. You are prescribing a solution not presenting a problem. Many on the list are trying to stop you from making that mistake and moving you back to the actual problem you are trying to solve. Your root problem is one that most of the people on this list also have dealt with at some point. As a result, the overwhelming majority of people have told you how they solved that root problem, and why they chose that solution over the one you are suggesting. Now, you can (and are apparently) holding steadfast to your one single prescribed solution, and I wish you the best of luck with that. However, you have asked a community of peers for advice, and then aggressively (and rudely) rejected the overwhelmingly consistant advise of you're doing it wrong. Good luck out there. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Some good suggestions, Mark, that address the original question. ;o) I've used POP hooks (if I know what you're referencing), as I described in a earlier post, to based on a scheduled task that ran every 10 minutes or so, and check a third-party email provider to see if an email with a specific email had been delivered. If that email had arrived, it triggered other scheduled tasks that could be run only after the email had arrived, since that told the scheduled tasks that certain data was ready from a third-party, for me to download and process. This just automated the process of having to check the third-party email for the specific message's presence with my intervention at any point. During work on that little project, I realized that CF had great potential for handling email, not only as a sending mechanism, but in parsing, storing, etc., email. And to your point of creating conversation with some sort of unique piece of data common to only appropriate threads: Some earlier mentioned using a message id as that item that I could link only appropriate messages, rather than relying on subject, as Outlook does. Several have mentioned IMAP, so I need to do some research on it's potential. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I see what you mean now and yeah, that shouldn't be *too* hard to build. If I had to solve this I would look into either IMAP or POP hooks into the mail server. THen import that into a database for example, so it can be queried. The problem with your SMS Vs Email analogy is that (on my iPhone anyway) my message history is by person. In email, the history is by conversation (or subject line) which you need some parsing to get that they are related and then more parsing to remove replies. There are some things that can help, for example (in Railo anyway) there is a EMail Event Handler that will trigger actions when a new email has arrived into your POP mailbox. You could extend it to work with IMAP for example and search in the Sent folder? I would really have to look at the options you have with your mail server. The NEXT thing (and if I recall, I think Russ mentioned this to me a long while back) could be actually creating a SMTP/POP EventGateway that then stores emails and what have you . Or find a SMTP/POP server that has an API that you can then work with, of which I don't know any. Anyway, just some thoughts that I am sure you have also had. Regards Mark Drew On 18 Apr 2013, at 12:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial. But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send. Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically displayed in-line with the other persons responses. Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation. We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder. Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation, like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in current offerings. And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me. It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation. It's time for a new approach. That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing an email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against that client. Would that help? I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. Sincerely Mark Drew On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've got to think this through so I can understand how this would work. But first, this organization is in another state, so I don't have control over their clients (I control their accounts, where, I guess I could set a BCC...really haven't checked on it, so I don't remember). And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me, I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there. However, for right now, it's just for me. And, frankly, I enjoy the challenge of developing a solution that can completely control. I like re-inventing the wheel. It's challenging and I learn a lot from the work. But keep the on-topic suggestions and thoughts coming! Rick PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential. -Original Message- From: mac jordan [mailto:mac.jor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:27 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) ââ¬â¹Am I missing something?ââ¬â¹ Just set their mail clients up to auto bcc themselves! -- mac jordan www.kestrel.org | www.reactivecooking.com | www.jordan-cats.org twitter: @ramtops ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
You should stick to answering the question asked and only the question asked and not offer alternatives unless the OP asks for them. I appreciate the offer to share the alternatives, but please try to not assume that OP's haven't already looked at alternatives and decided to go their own way. I've learned over the years, that I can almost always create a solution in some areas that is better *for me* than anything any other company including Apple, Google, or Microsoft can create, simply because I create only what need, in exactly the way I need it. I haven't been able to get Apple, Adobe, Google, or Microsoft to pay much attention to my requests. ;o) The other reason I like to re-invent the wheel is that I learn new things. Always a plus. So, it's not always about the conventional best solution or a convenient ready-made solution. It's what suits my motivations most closely. Anyway, once I heard, before this conversation, that Google Apps for Business was $5 per user, it didn't matter how great it was; for a non-profit USO just getting started, an 10-fold increase PER MONTH was not an acceptable alternative. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:37 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I do think you have rather thrown the toys out of the pram here over mine and Dave's Google Apps answers when we were only answering your questions and correcting your misconceptions. One thing that happens often in the world of CF and on this list is that people try to use CFML for everything and thus for tasks it is really not a best fit for. So it would be pretty a poor community if everyone just said here is how to do it in CF without advising you there were better ways to do, or that you are trying to re-invent the wheel. I clearly know a lot more about GApps than you, and Dave knows more than me, so obviously we wouldn't just sit here and let you think it cannot do what you want when it clearly can. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty of insulting, off-topic remarks. You are right that sometimes things do go way off topic and sometimes people are a bit holier than thou, but sometimes it is also warranted. Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think? Absolutely not, and that misconception is precisely why people say that. I have known many people who have worked in I.T, accounting, been developers, etc their whole life, but are really not very good at it, but can still get jobs none the less. Sure that is not true for everyone, but it is a pointless statement as it means nothing and mostly people say it just to shut you up. Cowboy builders convince people to hire them simply by saying I have been doing this for x years, and their victim then blindly assumes that must mean they are good at it. And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion, has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with, Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing something else, like using Google Apps for Business. Actually that is not the case. The only reason the Google Apps discussion went on is because you said it can't do x and y so we simply pointed out that it can in fact do x and y so does indeed meet your requirements. And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. You found it unsuitable because as you have shown you did not know how to use or how it worked, thus your misconception The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And, again, offer what only is asked for, nothing else. Don't take an OP's specific topic OT. If you don't think the OP should consider an alternative, I suggest you wait until the ask. It's not my mailing list, but neither is it yours. I just watch these simple topics devolve into totally OT wrestling matches for no good reason, often leaving the OP still stranded. And I never mentioned you by name as one who wasn't self-employed. If the shoe doesn't fit... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:39 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. You stated a set of requirements, and I pointed out that Apps met your requirements. You listed a bunch of reasons you found it unsuitable, and I pointed out the reasons you listed (selecting and deleting emails, etc) weren't valid. I don't know anything about your clients, but I do know that the problem you described, as you described it, can easily be solved by using Apps. I don't really care what you do with that information, but when you post a question to a public list you should expect that people will provide all kinds of answers to those questions. You may not like those answers. That's ok, you're free to disregard them. But if you post responses that say x isn't a suitable solution because of y, and y is not actually correct, people will tell you that. If you'd just said I'm not interested in Google Apps without stating specific and incorrect justifications, that would have been the end of it. The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs. Fortunately for your nonprofit client, they can use Apps for Nonprofits for free. I recently set up Apps for a Catholic diocese to get them off of GroupWise, and they paid nothing. And based on your responses here, I'm not sure I'd be talking up my great people skills if I were you. But I do just fine managing relationships with people, and have not been anyone's employee for many, many years. Thanks for asking! AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house), to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that Google, or any other vendor can't come close to. First, this is probably not the appropriate venue for us to air our political beliefs. Second, maybe you can build a custom solution that ... whatever. But you originally stated a pretty simple problem, and I provided a simple solution to that problem. I'm sorry that's got you so flustered, but my advice to you is to get over it. Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless discussion. I had no idea this was your mailing list. I thought it was a public mailing list. I'm going to have to ignore your advice. It's bad advice. People ask all sorts of questions about how to do things, and sometimes those questions aren't really the right questions to ask. Imagine if someone posted on here that they wanted to save their client money, but they wanted to build something that worked just like ColdFusion or Railo etc and did not want to use ColdFusion or Railo themselves. Wouldn't you feel inclined to point out that these already existed? Would that be a wrong answer? My advice, in turn, to you is that if you don't like free advice, ask for your money back. And if you don't want a discussion to continue, don't respond - especially with things that are factually incorrect. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me, I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there. Do they want this just to be able to read old email? Or do they have specific requirements for archiving? Archiving for the purposes of those requirements can be a bit tough to implement - you might, for example, have to support nonrepudiation, etc. I would definitely recommend that you use a hosted solution for that, if that's what they need. Google has one (of course!) but so do lots of other vendors, and if you're not using Apps you might want to go with one of those other vendors. Those solutions tend not to be inexpensive, however. PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential. Good for you! If you have questions about Apps, feel free to send them off-list. Their trials are only thirty days, so you kind of have to dedicate some serious time to evaluate things. Also, there are some very minor differences between Apps for Business and Apps for Nonprofits. They're pretty minor, but if you're going to suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to familiarize yourself with them. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355491 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And that's exactly to my point... When I ask a specific question, I only want answers that address that specific question. If it turns out *to me* that the solution I'm considering is wrong, then it's up to me to change my mind. I don't take anyone's advice as unassailable. If we all did that, nothing new would ever be done. When I get ready to entertain alternative solutions, I'll ask for them. Until then, the only topic to respond to is Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And by that question I'm asking for people's experience, but only in the scope creating an email archive with CF, not quickly dismissing the approach as wrong or offering alternative solutions. If I wanted those answers, I would have asked, Is it wrong or a waste of time to attempt to develop an email archive system with CF? or What are the alternative solutions to developing my own email archive system with CF? Very specific questions. I just don't like it when people immediately try to hi-jack the thread based on their own experience and wisdom. For all I know, a CF solution has the potential to be perfect and those trying to dissuade me from that approach just didn't do it right and failed. I'm just hard-headed that way. But it's my post; people should stick close to the subject with replies and let *me* expand the scope if I want to. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous length. Rick - Please take this in the most constructive way possible. You asked a question, got a overwhelmingly consistant answer from the entire list that you're doing it wrong. Now you are being somewhat unreasonably upset about that answer (considering you asked for input). You seem very fixated on a very very specific solution to a problem when you may be better served to have a wide open mind and listen to all opinions. Sometimes if everyone around you is saying you're doing it wrong, then there is nothing more to it than just that. Often I talk to clients who start by telling me what they think the solution to their problem is. Sometimes it's a good solution, but often (usually due to their inexperience), it's not really the best solution for their problem. Instead I try to ask them to tell me their *problem*, not their *solution*. Until the client can let go of their preconceived notions of what *they* think the best solution is, we really aren't giving them the best work that we can. Take a step back and look at the question you were asking. You are prescribing a solution not presenting a problem. Many on the list are trying to stop you from making that mistake and moving you back to the actual problem you are trying to solve. Your root problem is one that most of the people on this list also have dealt with at some point. As a result, the overwhelming majority of people have told you how they solved that root problem, and why they chose that solution over the one you are suggesting. Now, you can (and are apparently) holding steadfast to your one single prescribed solution, and I wish you the best of luck with that. However, you have asked a community of peers for advice, and then aggressively (and rudely) rejected the overwhelmingly consistant advise of you're doing it wrong. Good luck out there. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355492 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And, again, offer what only is asked for, nothing else. Don't take an OP's specific topic OT. If you don't think the OP should consider an alternative, I suggest you wait until the ask. It's not my mailing list, but neither is it yours. Again, I'm sorry, but no. I refuse to do that. I get questions all the time where the best answer is, basically, don't do that. If you post questions to a public mailing list, you will simply have to accept that people will answer those questions from their own perspectives. That's the price of asking for help on a mailing list. You don't get to dictate how people will respond. You do get to choose to ignore the responses that don't interest you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355493 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: I'm just hard-headed At least we can all agree on that. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355494 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
if you're going to suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to familiarize yourself with them. Absolutely... But like, I said, for now, this is just for me. My client hasn't asked me for an archiving system. They're just handling that individually. I just wanted something that work the way I want it to, hence the desire to develop a customized solution. (Which may, like many other ideas, turn out to be more than I bargained for.) However, knowing what I do already about CFMail, it has the potential to do what I want relatively easily. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:01 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me, I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there. Do they want this just to be able to read old email? Or do they have specific requirements for archiving? Archiving for the purposes of those requirements can be a bit tough to implement - you might, for example, have to support nonrepudiation, etc. I would definitely recommend that you use a hosted solution for that, if that's what they need. Google has one (of course!) but so do lots of other vendors, and if you're not using Apps you might want to go with one of those other vendors. Those solutions tend not to be inexpensive, however. PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential. Good for you! If you have questions about Apps, feel free to send them off-list. Their trials are only thirty days, so you kind of have to dedicate some serious time to evaluate things. Also, there are some very minor differences between Apps for Business and Apps for Nonprofits. They're pretty minor, but if you're going to suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to familiarize yourself with them. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355495 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Yes, you're going to make this your list under all circumstances. I'm not your client asking for your advice to a problem. I'm asking for any one's experience with a specific approach to a problem. You should respect my question. Yes, I can ignore your responses, but only after wading through your response. You are an intelligent commenter, but I only want what I ask for, not what you think I need. Let me make my mistakes, then maybe I can grow up and become a big-boy CF programmer. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:09 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And, again, offer what only is asked for, nothing else. Don't take an OP's specific topic OT. If you don't think the OP should consider an alternative, I suggest you wait until the ask. It's not my mailing list, but neither is it yours. Again, I'm sorry, but no. I refuse to do that. I get questions all the time where the best answer is, basically, don't do that. If you post questions to a public mailing list, you will simply have to accept that people will answer those questions from their own perspectives. That's the price of asking for help on a mailing list. You don't get to dictate how people will respond. You do get to choose to ignore the responses that don't interest you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Yes, you're going to make this your list under all circumstances. No, but I'm going to respond to questions as I see fit. Those are not the same thing. I'm asking for any one's experience with a specific approach to a problem. You should respect my question. Well, since you put it that way: in your original question, you said you'd tried The Brain, Evernote and OneNote. So it strikes me as logical to presume you were open to non-CF solutions. I responded with my suggestion about Apps, and then you replied asking more questions about it. It wasn't until quite deep in the thread that you appeared to get upset about people offering non-CF solutions. But I think I've learned my lesson from this thread. So good luck to you with whatever solutions you choose in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355497 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Rick Did you notice several emails back I mentioned that gapps is free for non profits? You said many times you primarily didn't want gapps bcoz it costs money, why not at least give it a try now that you know its free and that all your aforementioned complaints have now been proved wrong. Surely that would be mote productive that keep having a go at everyone? Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 18, 2013 6:44 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Yes, you're going to make this your list under all circumstances. No, but I'm going to respond to questions as I see fit. Those are not the same thing. I'm asking for any one's experience with a specific approach to a problem. You should respect my question. Well, since you put it that way: in your original question, you said you'd tried The Brain, Evernote and OneNote. So it strikes me as logical to presume you were open to non-CF solutions. I responded with my suggestion about Apps, and then you replied asking more questions about it. It wasn't until quite deep in the thread that you appeared to get upset about people offering non-CF solutions. But I think I've learned my lesson from this thread. So good luck to you with whatever solutions you choose in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355498 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Yes, I will definitely give it a good look now that I know it's a potential free solution for the USO. Thanks for the info! Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:56 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Rick Did you notice several emails back I mentioned that gapps is free for non profits? You said many times you primarily didn't want gapps bcoz it costs money, why not at least give it a try now that you know its free and that all your aforementioned complaints have now been proved wrong. Surely that would be mote productive that keep having a go at everyone? Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 18, 2013 6:44 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Yes, you're going to make this your list under all circumstances. No, but I'm going to respond to questions as I see fit. Those are not the same thing. I'm asking for any one's experience with a specific approach to a problem. You should respect my question. Well, since you put it that way: in your original question, you said you'd tried The Brain, Evernote and OneNote. So it strikes me as logical to presume you were open to non-CF solutions. I responded with my suggestion about Apps, and then you replied asking more questions about it. It wasn't until quite deep in the thread that you appeared to get upset about people offering non-CF solutions. But I think I've learned my lesson from this thread. So good luck to you with whatever solutions you choose in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355499 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Rick, I have been known to beat a deceased equine from time to time so after reading the entire thread let me enter the fray. Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing something else I've been using CF since it was distributed with Denny's Website and in that time I have not heard or seen anyone create an automated email archive system using CF. One of the reasons, I assume, is that the email portion of the program is not optimally designed for real time applications. It is used only on demand. But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send. I am not saying that you might not be able to create something for your particular needs but CF in general is not particularly suited to be interjected into the MTA process stream where it can capture SMTP transactions. Sort of like using a jewelers screwdriver as a hammer. Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text message conversation easily Email should work the same way. There are A LOT of things that email should or should not do, but unfortunately since it was never designed with that functionality in mind it does not work that way. It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation. This, and other reasons previously stated, are most likely why there are no widely known CF solutions to archiving email in the manner you require/want. There are, however, third party solutions and it is that complexity that contributes to their cost. I believe there was a product called Infusion mail server that was a mail server that utilized CFML as a processing/scripting language that might have suited your need however I don't believe it is available or supported anymore. and a solution is offered that doesn't address the original question. Well, if you don't know what I'm trying to accomplish I have no need to defend the members of this mailing list but they were in fact trying to offer solutions, something they need not do, which would solve your problem: Archiving email. The fact that you meant only CF solutions and are insulted at other ideas was not apparently clear, at least in my reading, until you embarked on a rant. Answer the original, and *only* the original question The answer is: NO. Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website Design and Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028, Wolcott, CT 06716 - T:203-879-2844 W: http://www.uxbinternet.com W: http://www.ctbusinesslist.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355500 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
You believe them if you want to. The courts tend not to. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 05:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I said, tired of helping them feed me adverts. They base the adverts they feed on everything they know about the target. I keep my data backed up. Dave, I spent 30 years in IT and most of it as an IT manager. I get by. Seems to chose to ignore most of what I said . No, I didn't ignore any of what you said. I just pointed out that Google Apps for Business doesn't contain ads, and Google doesn't use your Apps for Business email to figure out how to serve you ads. Their terms of service prevent them from doing this. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355501 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
You believe them if you want to. The courts tend not to. Can you cite one court case that covers their paid services? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355459 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
What concerns me about using any Google product is just how much they know about me and my life. They have already been fined on numerous occasions for the inappropriate collection of personal data and I am getting a little tired of helping them feed me adverts. I like my data to be on my computers where it is perfectly safe. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 April 2013 15:28 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355460 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
this happens on most services people use day to day, everyone shares their entire life on facebook and twitter. If you do not want anyone to know anything about you, don;t put it online. There isn't really anything Google can tell about you other than what you put in your profile or post on Google+ Google Apps doesn't ask you for personal details about your life, social security number, bank account etc. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Jenny Gavin-Wear jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote: What concerns me about using any Google product is just how much they know about me and my life. They have already been fined on numerous occasions for the inappropriate collection of personal data and I am getting a little tired of helping them feed me adverts. I like my data to be on my computers where it is perfectly safe. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 April 2013 15:28 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355461 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Email by it's nature is distributed, so I am guessing that anything you receive or send will be logged at multiple places regardless. Sincerely Mark Drew On 17 Apr 2013, at 16:32, Jenny Gavin-Wear jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote: What concerns me about using any Google product is just how much they know about me and my life. They have already been fined on numerous occasions for the inappropriate collection of personal data and I am getting a little tired of helping them feed me adverts. I like my data to be on my computers where it is perfectly safe. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355463 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Due to Gmails good anti-spam you do not have to do much deleting. If you click the check box next to 10 emails, then go in and read one of them, when you return those 10 emails will still be checked, it does remember it. You can also select multiple emails in 2 clicks (same as outlook) click the first checkbox, SHIFT click the next one, and all emails inbetween will be selected so the only real difference is that you have to click a delete button instead of delete key on keyboard. that costs you like 1 second more max to move the mouse and click delete, can;t really see how this is hard work i'm afraid ? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355464 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Really? It sounds like you haven't even tried any of the solutions you are so strongly against. Suddenly this entire conversation feels like a giant waste of time. -Cameron On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355465 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
No, I've been through Gmail and Outlook.com, the two I'd considering to handle my mail. They didn't satisfy. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:34 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Really? It sounds like you haven't even tried any of the solutions you are so strongly against. Suddenly this entire conversation feels like a giant waste of time. -Cameron On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355466 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: No, I've been through Gmail and Outlook.com, the two I'd considering to handle my mail. They didn't satisfy. You seem to have unrealistic expectations. Namely, that a web solution is going to behave identically to whatever it is you are using right now. I'd give a replacement a little bit more thorough try first. Specifically, GMail will let you POP an existing account. You might start by just setting up GMail to POP your existing accounts (you can also make it send from your existing address). Then make yourself use it for a week. If you don't like it, just go back to what you were doing before. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355467 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Hi, I'm the owner of openinboxexperiment.com, an open email inbox set up to allow people to send and receive email anonymously. I built this site with ColdFusion and it is virtually an email archive as you originally described. I've tried using iMap and cfpop for retrieving emails, my personal opinion was that I preferred cfpop over iMap as iMap returned all records where as cfpop only returns new records, thus saving time during my import task. I've had better luck pulling my data from the mail server as a task that runs every two minutes, saving the data, then pulling the data from the database when I'm displaying it to the end user. I've found it much faster that way. Also, I use Gmail, as you said it has an excellent spam filter. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) This is not correct. You can easily select a block of messages and delete them. You can select ranges by clicking the checkbox of one, then shift-clicking the checkbox of another. Or you can use the select message keyboard shortcut. And of course you can select messages with filters or searches, and delete all matches, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. This is not correct. Messages in a view will stay selected even if you read one of those messages. You can also select or deselect all messages in a view with a single click. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. I have to kind of agree with Cameron here. You asked for a solution to your problem. We gave one. You rejected it for reasons that aren't valid. What's the point of asking, if you're not willing to invest the time to see whether these solutions would work for you? If your objection to Google Apps is that you have to pay for it, that's a valid reason to reject it I guess. Although I think my own personal email is definitely worth $50 per year, I can see why other people might not place that value on their own email. But that's not even what you're doing here. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355472 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
What concerns me about using any Google product is just how much they know about me and my life. They have already been fined on numerous occasions for the inappropriate collection of personal data and I am getting a little tired of helping them feed me adverts. Google Apps is a product that you pay for, and it has completely different terms of service than free Google products. Google Apps for Business users do not get ads. Google Apps for Business user data is not used inappropriately, per the terms of service. Google Apps has been certified for use by the US federal government, which has pretty strict rules about these sorts of things. Google Apps is used by banks, medical firms, law firms, accounting firms - all companies with strict rules about PII, data sharing, etc, etc. I like my data to be on my computers where it is perfectly safe. You've never lost any data? Never had a computer fail? It seems to me that we must have completely different ideas of perfectly safe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355473 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On my Gmail the spam is originated by Google! -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: 17 April 2013 17:36 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Due to Gmails good anti-spam you do not have to do much deleting. If you click the check box next to 10 emails, then go in and read one of them, when you return those 10 emails will still be checked, it does remember it. You can also select multiple emails in 2 clicks (same as outlook) click the first checkbox, SHIFT click the next one, and all emails inbetween will be selected so the only real difference is that you have to click a delete button instead of delete key on keyboard. that costs you like 1 second more max to move the mouse and click delete, can;t really see how this is hard work i'm afraid ? On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355474 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I said, tired of helping them feed me adverts. They base the adverts they feed on everything they know about the target. I keep my data backed up. Dave, I spent 30 years in IT and most of it as an IT manager. I get by. Seems to chose to ignore most of what I said . -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: 18 April 2013 02:25 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? What concerns me about using any Google product is just how much they know about me and my life. They have already been fined on numerous occasions for the inappropriate collection of personal data and I am getting a little tired of helping them feed me adverts. Google Apps is a product that you pay for, and it has completely different terms of service than free Google products. Google Apps for Business users do not get ads. Google Apps for Business user data is not used inappropriately, per the terms of service. Google Apps has been certified for use by the US federal government, which has pretty strict rules about these sorts of things. Google Apps is used by banks, medical firms, law firms, accounting firms - all companies with strict rules about PII, data sharing, etc, etc. I like my data to be on my computers where it is perfectly safe. You've never lost any data? Never had a computer fail? It seems to me that we must have completely different ideas of perfectly safe. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355475 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I said, tired of helping them feed me adverts. They base the adverts they feed on everything they know about the target. I keep my data backed up. Dave, I spent 30 years in IT and most of it as an IT manager. I get by. Seems to chose to ignore most of what I said . No, I didn't ignore any of what you said. I just pointed out that Google Apps for Business doesn't contain ads, and Google doesn't use your Apps for Business email to figure out how to serve you ads. Their terms of service prevent them from doing this. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355477 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. The latest on OSX does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355422 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
if you use Gmail/google apps then you get that as default. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. The latest on OSX does. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355423 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355428 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
current versions of outlook do conversation threading, however it threads base don the subject, so any emails that have the same subject end up in the same conversation, so it isn't very good. why they don't use the MessageId I do not know. Gmail/Google Apps takes some getting used to if your switching from Outlook, it is just like switching IDE's, you just have to give it some time. Outlook is so slow and clunky by comparison. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355429 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? current versions of outlook do conversation threading, however it threads base don the subject, so any emails that have the same subject end up in the same conversation, so it isn't very good. why they don't use the MessageId I do not know. Gmail/Google Apps takes some getting used to if your switching from Outlook, it is just like switching IDE's, you just have to give it some time. Outlook is so slow and clunky by comparison. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355433 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! There is a cost in managing your own email server as well. I have no idea how many hours a month on average you spend dealing with the server, but in my case I am 100% sure the amount of time I'd spend on it each month, especially if I have clients using it too, would be WAY more than $500 in billable time. This is why we don't host our clients email or websites ourselves. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355434 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Hi Rick, It might be worth taking a look at Act! It is possible to integrate Act! and Outlook so that all email relating to a client record in Act! is automatically pulled in from Outlook and stored. Attachments are handled, too. Act! is a really good contact management system, so as well as storing/organising your emails, it will help you manage your clients, too. Cheers, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: 16 April 2013 02:05 To: cf-talk Subject: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355435 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I was only referring to Gmail not other webmail interfaces, which I have found quicker and more responsive than Outlook. Outlook is a slugish monster and prone to crashing, always has been and is well known for it. You cannot really compare your Smartermail Server to Google Apps, that is like comparing a word processor App to Microsoft Office or a 1 bed apartment to a 5 bed house. You should go and take a look at what Google Apps actually is, as you are clearly under the impression is is just basic email, which is so not the case. For what you get, $5 per user is incredibly cheap. Clearly it is not suitable for you or your client who is obviously very low budget, but you should at least research the facts before making invalid judgements or comparisons, you may find other clients for which this is suitable, which would be a potential lost sale if you don't know the facts. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? current versions of outlook do conversation threading, however it threads base don the subject, so any emails that have the same subject end up in the same conversation, so it isn't very good. why they don't use the MessageId I do not know. Gmail/Google Apps takes some getting used to if your switching from Outlook, it is just like switching IDE's, you just have to give it some time. Outlook is so slow and clunky by comparison. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355436 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. As an end-user, I don't think $5 per month sounds like a lot for the most important network service I use. As an administrator, there is simply no comparison I could make between the two. What happens if your virtual dedicated server takes a dump? How long will it take you to get your users online again? What sort of data loss would they incur? What kind of mail quotas can you handle? What happens if a mailbox is corrupted? What happens if you run out of disk space? Etc, etc, etc. Like most everything else in life, you get what you pay for. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. I guess it depends on what you mean by handling mail. In general, I find Gmail to be much faster and more efficient than Outlook. I've used Outlook for many years (and you can use it with Google Apps if you want, via Google Apps Sync for Microsoft Outlook). If you want to read new mail, any client is still going to have to fetch it from the server. If you want to read old mail, Outlook will likely already have it stored, but you still have to get to it, and finding email in Gmail is quite a bit easier. If you want to search the contents of your OST or PST for something, that search can take a long time. If you search Gmail, it takes seconds. And of course, there's only so much mail you can practically store in a single OST or PST, so you typically end up with PST archives all over the place that you effectively can't get to at all unless you open them up. I have PST archives for about ten years worth of email that I'll likely never open again. I work with quite a few people switching from Exchange to Google Apps, and they're all the same way - PSTs all over the place. I used Outlook for years. I would never go back. It would make me much less productive. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355438 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I was going to say all that and more Dave, but I don't think he really cares about that stuff, so I didn't bother :-) Email and hosting are usually critical to people's business yet oddly most people are usually not prepared to spend any money on them, and will use the cheapest solution possible. then you consider the other LESS IMPORTANT parts of an average business these days are such as letter heads, business cards, compliment slips, telephones, etc, which are rarely used in a buisness that operates via electronic communication, and folks will spend more on this than they do on their hosting and email. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. As an end-user, I don't think $5 per month sounds like a lot for the most important network service I use. As an administrator, there is simply no comparison I could make between the two. What happens if your virtual dedicated server takes a dump? How long will it take you to get your users online again? What sort of data loss would they incur? What kind of mail quotas can you handle? What happens if a mailbox is corrupted? What happens if you run out of disk space? Etc, etc, etc. Like most everything else in life, you get what you pay for. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. I guess it depends on what you mean by handling mail. In general, I find Gmail to be much faster and more efficient than Outlook. I've used Outlook for many years (and you can use it with Google Apps if you want, via Google Apps Sync for Microsoft Outlook). If you want to read new mail, any client is still going to have to fetch it from the server. If you want to read old mail, Outlook will likely already have it stored, but you still have to get to it, and finding email in Gmail is quite a bit easier. If you want to search the contents of your OST or PST for something, that search can take a long time. If you search Gmail, it takes seconds. And of course, there's only so much mail you can practically store in a single OST or PST, so you typically end up with PST archives all over the place that you effectively can't get to at all unless you open them up. I have PST archives for about ten years worth of email that I'll likely never open again. I work with quite a few people switching from Exchange to Google Apps, and they're all the same way - PSTs all over the place. I used Outlook for years. I would never go back. It would make me much less productive. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355439 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Dave Watts wrote: As an end-user, I don't think $5 per month sounds like a lot for the most important network service I use. As an administrator, there is simply no comparison I could make between the two. What happens if your virtual dedicated server takes a dump? How long will it take you to get your users online again? What sort of data loss would they incur? What kind of mail quotas can you handle? What happens if a mailbox is corrupted? What happens if you run out of disk space? Etc, etc, etc. Yup - Time = money. Especially if you own a business. If something is costing you time, that thing is costing you money. I mentally multiply the time spent on things like this by a normal billrate to assign a dollar amount to it. We don't host any servers inhouse. I will go to the ends of the earth to find a way to not very valuable waste time managing things like that. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355440 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: We don't host any servers inhouse. I will go to the ends of the earth to find a way to not very valuable waste time managing things like that. Just like I apparently don't like to waste valuable time proofreading my emails before I send them. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355441 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
How about BCC to a designated box? On 4/15/13 9:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355443 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I guess you could really only control the initial TO with that solution. On 4/16/13 1:25 PM, Bobby bo...@acoderslife.com wrote: How about BCC to a designated box? On 4/15/13 9:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355444 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Is there a specific reason you can't just use imap ? Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 16, 2013 6:35 PM, Bobby bo...@acoderslife.com wrote: I guess you could really only control the initial TO with that solution. On 4/16/13 1:25 PM, Bobby bo...@acoderslife.com wrote: How about BCC to a designated box? On 4/15/13 9:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355446 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I will take a look at all that my clients would gain with Google Apps, but all that they require at the moment is email service. The other benefits of Google Apps, except for a consolidated calendar, at this point, would be superfluous. I'll check out Google Business Apps a little closer and see what all it offers. However, I do have issues with Outlook slowing down at times and even crashing on the rare occasion, but it far faster than Gmail's online interface by far, at least in my experience. Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:36 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I was only referring to Gmail not other webmail interfaces, which I have found quicker and more responsive than Outlook. Outlook is a slugish monster and prone to crashing, always has been and is well known for it. You cannot really compare your Smartermail Server to Google Apps, that is like comparing a word processor App to Microsoft Office or a 1 bed apartment to a 5 bed house. You should go and take a look at what Google Apps actually is, as you are clearly under the impression is is just basic email, which is so not the case. For what you get, $5 per user is incredibly cheap. Clearly it is not suitable for you or your client who is obviously very low budget, but you should at least research the facts before making invalid judgements or comparisons, you may find other clients for which this is suitable, which would be a potential lost sale if you don't know the facts. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? current versions of outlook do conversation threading, however it threads base don the subject, so any emails that have the same subject end up in the same conversation, so it isn't very good. why they don't use the MessageId I do not know. Gmail/Google Apps takes some getting used to if your switching from Outlook, it is just like switching IDE's, you just have to give it some time. Outlook is so slow and clunky by comparison. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I can give that a try... thanks for the suggestion, Bobby! -Original Message- From: Bobby [mailto:bo...@acoderslife.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? How about BCC to a designated box? On 4/15/13 9:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355448 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? What do you mean by out-perform exactly? To me, it means I can accomplish things faster in one than in the other. And for every use case except one, I can accomplish things faster in Gmail than in Outlook. So, for me, Gmail out-performs Outlook. That one use case is offline use. If I cared about offline use, I'd probably use Outlook as my Gmail client. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I have no problem deleting email in Gmail. Filter, select, delete, done! I suspect I can delete email faster in Gmail than in Outlook. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355449 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355415 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I just do this in Google Apps. I have labels for each client, and filters to mark incoming mail from clients and outgoing mail to them as belonging to the appropriate client. I can pull up all communication with any given client in seconds. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355416 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Dave Watts wrote: I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I just do this in Google Apps. I have labels for each client, and filters to mark incoming mail from clients and outgoing mail to them as belonging to the appropriate client. I can pull up all communication with any given client in seconds. +1, but I don't even bother applying labels. Google's email search is just so damn easy. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355417 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Thanks for the reply, Dave... When you say you use Google Apps, do you mean Gmail? Or are you running an email server (I use SmarterMail) that somehow works with a Google App to archive email? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I just do this in Google Apps. I have labels for each client, and filters to mark incoming mail from clients and outgoing mail to them as belonging to the appropriate client. I can pull up all communication with any given client in seconds. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355418 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've never done much with CFMail, except its main function of sending mail, but I did code a function one time to trigger a series of scheduled tasks based on the receipt of an email with a particular subject line. It was quite handy in that situation. When that email was received, I knew that data was ready from a third party for FTP download and processing on my end. I didn't have to worry about the scheduled task firing if the data was delayed or keep checking the data and manually firing the scheduled task. I remember from that experience at CF could handle quite a lot of various email functionality based on its ability to handle the various parts of an email message. I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. Any suggestions as to an approach for this are welcome! Rick -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:08 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Dave Watts wrote: I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I just do this in Google Apps. I have labels for each client, and filters to mark incoming mail from clients and outgoing mail to them as belonging to the appropriate client. I can pull up all communication with any given client in seconds. +1, but I don't even bother applying labels. Google's email search is just so damn easy. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355419 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
When you say you use Google Apps, do you mean Gmail? Yes. Specifically, I mean the Gmail account that I get with Google Apps for Business: http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/ This is what we use at Fig Leaf for our corporate email system. I also have a personal Google Apps for Business account that I use for myself and my immediate family. Or are you running an email server (I use SmarterMail) that somehow works with a Google App to archive email? I like to think that I'm too smart to run my own email server for real use nowadays. I spent many years doing that, and I'd rather not do it any more. Google does a fantastic job of handling the nuts and bolts of email, and provides a terrific mail client as well. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355420 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355421 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
