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Subject: Stus-List Electronics Upgrade
Reluctantly I’ve yielded to the logic and will be adding both a knot meter and
dedicated radar/chart plotter.
Fred - The Nobeltec radar product was interesting but I couldn’t get past the
dedicated wifi network (or two wifi networks)
Kudos
yes I have the st 60 pack wind, speed and depth all tied together by
seatalk...the old system seems very simple but the algorithms used to
resolve the input vectors seem to give good numbers considering that
calibrating boat speed readings to be accurate on both tacks goes...I have
checked my
comes from the
fluxgate
compass ( usually connected to the Autohelm ).
Michael Brown
Windburn
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guessing at a
heading, sail
and sail trim helps. Winning by 68 seconds on a 27 hours race - priceless ;-)
Mike
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:48:02 -0300
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.
In my setup I did not connect the power lead between the Seatalk bus and
the converter.
Michael Brown
Windburn
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Reluctantly I’ve yielded to the logic and will be adding both a knot meter and
dedicated radar/chart plotter.
Fred - The Nobeltec radar product was interesting but I couldn’t get past the
dedicated wifi network (or two wifi networks)
Kudos to whoever first mentioned the need for the knot
Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL
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Dwight — do you also have an ST60 Speed in the system? If so (and I expect you
probably do…), that’s how your wind instrument can calculate TWA and TWS.
Otherwise you’re stuck with just AWA and AWS.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Aug 13,
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Michael Brown
Windburn
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Ken — your autopilot should be sending “fast” (10 Hz) heading info over its
NMEA0183 interface; the NMEA0183 data can be converted into NMEA2000 using
something like the Actisense NGW-1-STNG:
http://www.actisense.com/products/nmea-2000/ngw-1/ngw-1.html
Sorry Fred, I wasn't clear.
I was referring to the true wind display on a Raymatine i60 Wind.
Raymarine Tech online says it needs a source of heading (and speed through
the water which it gets from the i50 Speed already installed) to be able to
display true wind?
What are possible sources for
Ken — let’s not confuse True Wind Direction with True Wind Angle. Yes, you
would need heading info for true wind direction; but true wind angle is
referenced to the bow of the boat. The True Wind vectors that display on the
Raymarine chartplotters are, I believe, just TWA referenced to COG
shape for free.
I suppose that is the case for most of us.
Michael Brown
Windburn
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:11:56 -0400
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Hi, Don — looking at the ST2000+ manual, there is only NMEA018 INPUT; no
output. The heading info may be on the SeaTalk bus (you’d need to ask
Raymarine to confirm); but you’d need to convert that to NMEA2000/SeaTalkNG in
order to use it with the i50/i60/i70 instruments. The Raymarine
Hi Fred,
hmmm Will a Raymarine tiller pilot St2000+ also provide heading ... assuming no
other magnetic to list after?
Don
V34
Life
On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
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your autopilot should be sending “fast” (10 Hz) heading info over
Pass through many bridges but the only thing that causes my autopilot to
get crazy is when my cell phone is next to it. Curious about a handheld.
Will try that.
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... Argh yes! I carry a VHF/DSC/GPS and knife on me
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Subject: Stus-List Electronics upgrade
My Zeus2 uses COG from the integrated GPS. I don't have a magnetic compass
feed but do I have TWD, VMG to Wind and Marker et all working
When I put in my BG system I was surprised to figure out that not only did it
need a knot meter for TWD, it wanted a compass transducer as well. The Zeus
units won't use their internal COG data for the boat heading let alone speed.
One other note about iPads. I recently chartered an older boat
Not too many listers chiming in on this topic. Anyone? Is everyone else out
sailing?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
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John — like most Furuno gear, I
I enjoy sailing by what I see wind doing and anticipating the changes coming by
observing water, clouds and shorelines. When I have raced with wind instruments
I have found them useful to backup and verify my thinking but not as a primary
tool. I am wondering about an accurate flu gate compass
the electronics goes down.
And they will.
At the worst possible time.
David F. Risch
1980-40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:30:34 -0400
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I am following closely! I have been giving Signet antiques TLC, while using
an iPad Air in a LifeProof case. The iPad has navionics chart plotting, AIS
over cell etc etc etc. My iPhone 5 carries the identical software and
settings as backup.
The downside is keeping waterproof power is
Truly. As I found out last year when passing through a bridge. Some magnetic
interference probably caused by cables crossing the channel caused my wheel
pilot to turn sharply to port. Had I not quickly disengaged it, it could have
been ugly.
Dennis C.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 11, 2015,
Sanding. Not sailing...
I'm in agreement with dedicated marine units with iPad-like devices as
additional sources of info.
Will be segregating electronics when rebuild projects nears the end. Of course
at my present rate of work most instruments will use virtual reality outputs...
Dave
1982
Nuttin’ to sail, so I’ll chuck my two cents in.
You are correct, Fred. I ran my old Furuno CRT radar for 18 years, and it’s
still going strong with the new owner, never let me down, and never tried to
jump overboard as phones and pads sometimes do. I find that laptops are
excessive power
... Argh yes! I carry a VHF/DSC/GPS and knife on me as I single hand... however
... Getting close to the Raymarine 2000+ causes it to lust after them ...
Don
V34
NCYC
On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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magnetic interference probably caused by
Don,
Congrats! I don't have the latest OS on my plotter, but the Ray app. drops
in and out on my boat.
I'd want wind before radar, but we don't have fog on the Chesapeake.
Joel
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, D Harben via CnC-List
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I am following closely! I
all the electronics
goes down.
And they will.
At the worst possible time.
David F. Risch
1980-40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Fred
Curious what your experience has been re power and bad weather. The reasoning
behind using an iPad as opposed to a purpose built plotter is that the iPad
will be aboard regardless. It’s the plotter that is the extra piece. Again,
keep in mind this is assuming a waterproof iPad case and mount
Fred - agree on the dome itself just curious on the reliability of the router.
Also, I would think the dedicated Furuno network is a nuisance at best.
John
On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
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Not too many listers chiming in on
John,
the biggest problem with the IPad is keeping it charged. A waterproof case
is not waterproof if there is a wire dangling out of it (unless I bought
the wrong case). Be sure you have a 2.4 amp socket- most are 2.1 amps.
Carry extra charging cables. Salt air rusts them out in no time!
Interesting comment - thanks. Curious if that is still the case.
John
On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List
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I wouldn't install a knot meter - Gps is fine
No idea with the newer i50/60/70 series, but the older Raymarine
wind instruments
Michael — you’re correct, you need boat speed through the water to calculate
TWA and TWS from the AWA and AWS you get from the masthead wind transducer.
I’ve not seen it calculated using GPS SOG.
And you definitely need to be able to compare boat speed and heading with
SOG/COG to calculate
So here's another 2 cents.
My Garmin chartplotter has not yet lost a GPS signal. My smartphones (Androids
all) do, when the clouds get real thick. Such is the value of the antenna. I
was extremely thankful for the chartplotter going into Woods Hole in pea soup.
That said, the charts on my
Rivard
1990 34+ Take Five
Lake Lanier, GA
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I'm pretty sure the Raymarine Wind needs course from an outside source to
display True Wind. The source of course info could be an autopilot or
other compass in the system.
I'm sure Fred can confirm that.
Ken H.
On 11 August 2015 at 20:00, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
John — like most Furuno gear, I imagine the black-box radar is pretty reliable.
My concern is with the other gear needed to use it. If you’re going to spend
that much on buying and installing a system, you want it to work when you need
it. And that’s generally when conditions are bad; which
The basic electronics (bg h1000 system) on Paws have been a challenge since I
first got her. Intermittent failures at the start of each season. Now depth
has failed and of all things it appears to be the transducer. I'm debating
modernizing. Please tell me if I'm crazy. A little
Hi, John. No, you’re not crazy; just be careful with mixing and matching
equipment from different vendors. And as long as you’re putting in modern
electronics, there’s no reason I can think of to NOT integrate all of them
together; you get benefits like autopilot steering to wind angle or to
Since Fred the technical expert inquired as to what others would
recommend. Here goes.
Before getting into it though i have to say that everything Fred said is
spot on if you're going to upgrade and do it right. There are a lot of
good reasons to have everything talk to one another AND for
Thanks for the input.
Fred - my thoughts on the iPad dependent issue (and I fully understand your
point), this all assumes a semi-permanent iPad installation with built in
charging. Beyond that you have your spare iPad, smart phone, pc in the cabin,
etc.
Very interesting thought on the VHF
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