Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Joel,

Glad to hear you will attend.  Look forward to seeing you there.  Hope to hear 
more about your races to Bermuda.


Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1990 C 34R


> On September 19, 2019 at 4:01 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Atlantis will be crashing the party!  I better get to work on the 
> varnish. 
> 
> I’m a member of the museum if that helps. 
> 
> Joel 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:03 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Do we get 4 people or 4 boats per member?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Joe Della Barba
> > 
> > Coquina
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com 
> > mailto:muckl...@gmail.com ]
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:18 PM
> > To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> > Cc: rick bushie  > mailto:rickbushie...@gmail.com >; Gary Nylander  > mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net >; Brian Fry  > mailto:brian.s@gmail.com >; Della Barba, Joe  > mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov >
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels 
> > Maryland C Rendezvous
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Joe's membership has 4 spots.  1 for him and 3 remaining available 
> > as guests.  My wife and I are taking 2 and I have planned for Rick Bushie 
> > to take the last one.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Brian Fry and wife are planned for taking 2 spots on Gary 
> > Nylander's members leaving 2 there.  If anybody needs to register for a 
> > slip tell the dockmaster Josh Atwood at 410-746-4946 that you are joining 
> > for the C Rendezvous and guests of Gary Nylander so that Josh can make 
> > sure to put you with the group.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Text/voice questions for me:
> > 
> > 443-295-3238 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > All the best,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Josh Muckley 
> > 
> > S/V Sea Hawk 
> > 
> > 1989 C 37+
> > 
> > Solomons, MD
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 4:59 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > I am signed up. Go ahead now and register.  
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > Coquina
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sep 16, 2019, at 14:26, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
> > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite 
> > > > well. I’ll arrange it.
> > > > 
> > > > Gary
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > From: CnC-List  > > > mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
> > > > via CnC-List
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
> > > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > > > Cc: Della Barba, Joe  > > > mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov >
> > > > Subject: Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels 
> > > > Maryland C Rendezvous
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > I am going this afternoon to sign up for the 
> > > > > Maritime Museum.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My understanding is this supports 4 boats 
> > > > > including me, so Tuesday we should be able to sign up 3 more.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://lyondistilling.com/ 
> > > > > https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=9aa846be-c7dbd5df-9aa86fc9-ac1f6b44e86e-8e51d506437dbaf3=1=http%3A%2F%2Flyondistilling.com%2F
> > > > > 
> > > > > They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded 
> > > > > to do a tour.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Joe
> > > > > 
> > > > > Coquina
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

>
> Edd,


First, I swear by CruisAir units.  IMHO, best marine AC out there.  Went
through several iterations of Mermaids prior to the CruisAir.

I've had a 16KBTU Cruisair in Touche' for over a decade.  Super reliable.
Not even a burp.  Keeps Touche' cool even in the Pensacola or Louisiana
summers.

Second, would a split unit work better?  Compressor in a utility space
somewhere and the air handling unit in the cabin somewhere?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It helps a lot, we get a few more people.
I’ll admit it was a very long time ago, but back in the 80s-90s when we had C 
rendezvous at the Museum they only counted boats and not people on them. Their 
new policy I don’t fully understand.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 4:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Brian Fry ; Della Barba, Joe 
; Josh Muckley ; rick bushie 

Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland 
C Rendezvous

Atlantis will be crashing the party!  I better get to work on the varnish.

I’m a member of the museum if that helps.

Joel

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:03 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Do we get 4 people or 4 boats per member?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:18 PM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: rick bushie mailto:rickbushie...@gmail.com>>; Gary 
Nylander mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>>; Brian Fry 
mailto:brian.s@gmail.com>>; Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C 
Rendezvous

Joe's membership has 4 spots.  1 for him and 3 remaining available as guests.  
My wife and I are taking 2 and I have planned for Rick Bushie to take the last 
one.

Brian Fry and wife are planned for taking 2 spots on Gary Nylander's members 
leaving 2 there.  If anybody needs to register for a slip tell the dockmaster 
Josh Atwood at 410-746-4946 that you are joining for the C Rendezvous and 
guests of Gary Nylander so that Josh can make sure to put you with the group.

Text/voice questions for me:
443-295-3238


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 4:59 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I am signed up. Go ahead now and register.
Joe
Coquina
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2019, at 14:26, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite well. I’ll arrange it.
Gary

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we should be 
able to sign up 3 more.
I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
http://lyondistilling.com/
They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.

Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Sounds more like the throttle cable is slipping.  Our throttle cable has a 
little clamp the restricts movement and holds the cable wherever you set it.  
It can be located anywhere on the cable, but usually near the pedestal.


Chuck S


> On September 19, 2019 at 4:38 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting commentary on the Flex O Fold.  I've got one on a Landfall 35 
> with a Westerbeke 30 and it won't hold at 3000 rpm for but a few moments.  
> Next time I look down I'm back in the low 2000's.
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:22 PM, Dave S via CnC-List
> >  wrote:
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> > 
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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List]

Interesting commentary on the Flex O Fold.  I've got one on a Landfall 35 with 
a Westerbeke 30 and it won't hold at 3000 rpm for but a few moments.  Next time 
I look down I'm back in the low 2000's.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:22 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Dave S via CnC-List]

My experience Upgrading from a worn Martec to 2 bladed gori was exactly the 
same.  Professional purchasing experience (Geoff also) and no issues since.  
New, it’s an art object.  Pics here:

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/10/gori-2-blade-prop.html?m=1

Dave 

33-2

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:58 AM, cenel...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Many years ago (>5?) I sprung for the Gori 2 blade, rated then per tank tests 
> to be the lowest drag 2 blade geared folder available. 
> 
> Worked with AB marine (Geoff? a New Zealander) and got everything right the 
> first time and have never had any problems. I do have it cleaned up and 
> serviced every year at haulout.
> 
> When new it was such a beautiful shiny piece of bronze/brass engineering I 
> ‘almost’ hated to install it underwater!.
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C XL/kcb
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
> 
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the Flex-o-Fold prop also solves the problem (for racing) of a Martec 
> blade hanging down if not aligned.
>  
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:21 AM
> To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike
> Subject: Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!
>  
> Hi Francois
> 
>  
> 
> Our boat although much smaller than a 34+ (Frers 33) also has 3GM30F with 
> 1:2.61 Kanzaki transmission.  We had a Martec RH16D x 14P-3 prop that worked 
> fine in fwd and poorly in reverse.  Flex-o-fold sent 16x12 R bladeset and 2 
> blade hub.  It arrived in 3 days after order.
> 
>  
> 
> It is a bit smoother than the Martec in fwd, has much better reverse and I 
> now know that we don’t have the possibility of one blade hanging down (we 
> could never align shaft due to access).  We are very happy with the 
> flex-o-fold.
> 
>  
> 
> I thought I had heard somewhere that optimum RPM is 80% of WOT.  On the 
> 3GM30F with WOT at approx. 3400 RPM that is 2720.  We run at 2800RPM.  3100 
> seems a bit in excess of 80%
> 
>  
> 
> I also wonder how much difference the size and weight of a boat comes into 
> play.  Our 33 is design displacement 9000 lbs and yet has same engine and 
> transmission.
> 
>  
> 
> Mike Hoyt
> 
> Persistence
> 
> 1987 Frers 33 #16
> 
> Halifax, NS
> 
> www.hoytsailing.com
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Francois Rivard 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: September 19, 2019 10:23 AM
> To: captnga...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Francois Rivard 
> Subject: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
>  
> 
> You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and 
> transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of 
> the transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they 
> said: "Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing"
> 
>  
> 
> They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says it 
> should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat: the 
> vibrations sounded / looked destructive. 
> 
>  
> 
> I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a 
> commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile" French 
> Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few manufacturers 
> had sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst offender.  The 
> comment was that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient but: "Be careful 
> with the throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched, you could damage 
> your engine".
> 
>  
> 
> Live and learn..
> 
>  
> 
> Francois
> 
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> 
> Lake Lanier, GA 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ---
> Hi Francois,
>  I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
> different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
> for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
> transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
> Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.
> 
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA 
> 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C Rendezvous

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Atlantis will be crashing the party!  I better get to work on the varnish.

I’m a member of the museum if that helps.

Joel

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:03 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Do we get 4 people or 4 boats per member?
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 5:18 PM
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* rick bushie ; Gary Nylander <
> gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>; Brian Fry ; Della
> Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels
> Maryland C Rendezvous
>
>
>
> Joe's membership has 4 spots.  1 for him and 3 remaining available as
> guests.  My wife and I are taking 2 and I have planned for Rick Bushie to
> take the last one.
>
>
>
> Brian Fry and wife are planned for taking 2 spots on Gary Nylander's
> members leaving 2 there.  If anybody needs to register for a slip tell the
> dockmaster Josh Atwood at 410-746-4946 that you are joining for the C
> Rendezvous and guests of Gary Nylander so that Josh can make sure to put
> you with the group.
>
>
>
> Text/voice questions for me:
>
> 443-295-3238
>
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 4:59 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I am signed up. Go ahead now and register.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2019, at 14:26, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That should be no problem. I know Jamie (owner) quite well. I’ll arrange
> it.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 11:16 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 19th of October Saint Michaels Maryland C
> Rendezvous
>
>
>
> I am going this afternoon to sign up for the Maritime Museum.
>
> My understanding is this supports 4 boats including me, so Tuesday we
> should be able to sign up 3 more.
>
> I saw these people at our local farmer’s market:
>
> http://lyondistilling.com/
> 
>
> They are in Saint Mike’s and might be persuaded to do a tour.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I have thru hull for AC right next to engine intake. Unit is installed behind 
last bottom drawer on chart table area drawer is gone bye bye  venting to 2 
outlets 1 on each side midship under sliding plexi

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd,,

It is simple. Unless you install a cut off valve in the teed line off the raw 
water entail, the engine's raw water pump will suck the water out of the HVAC 
water line. When that happens you will have air in the intake line and your 
engine will over heat, etc. all sorts of bad things will then happen. Air is 
easier to for the pump to suck than water.

Been there & done that, so we built a manifold system to prove water from 1 
intake for the both the engine and HVAC water pump. However, I have to close 
the valve for the HVAC side when running the engine and visa versa. It works, 
but is sometime a PITA

Good luck

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald Forwarding Co. Inc. FMC license no:1966F
S/V HONEY - US12788
C 39TM (1974)
Savannah, GA

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I have been very pleased with the Bruntons 3 blade Autoprop on Alianna.
Have owned her 15 years and not a problem to report. Powered by a Universal
M4-30 plenty of forward propulsion under all sea conditions I have
encountered, very strong reverse and not much drag and when locked in
forward under sail. 1 hub anode has lasted all those years but i also use 2
shaft zincs which get replaced every spring. Not cheap but excellent
propulsion system for a 35 MKII

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:59 AM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Many years ago (>5?) I sprung for the Gori 2 blade, rated then per tank
> tests to be the lowest drag 2 blade geared folder available.
>
> Worked with AB marine (Geoff? a New Zealander) and got everything right
> the first time and have never had any problems. I do have it cleaned up and
> serviced every year at haulout.
>
> When new it was such a beautiful shiny piece of bronze/brass engineering I
> ‘almost’ hated to install it underwater!.
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C XL/kcb
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, the Flex-o-Fold prop also solves the problem (for racing) of a Martec
> blade hanging down if not aligned.
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:21 AM
> *To:* mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!
>
>
> Hi Francois
>
>
>
> Our boat although much smaller than a 34+ (Frers 33) also has 3GM30F with
> 1:2.61 Kanzaki transmission.  We had a Martec RH16D x 14P-3 prop that
> worked fine in fwd and poorly in reverse.  Flex-o-fold sent 16x12 R
> bladeset and 2 blade hub.  It arrived in 3 days after order.
>
>
>
> It is a bit smoother than the Martec in fwd, has much better reverse and I
> now know that we don’t have the possibility of one blade hanging down (we
> could never align shaft due to access).  We are very happy with the
> flex-o-fold.
>
>
>
> I thought I had heard somewhere that optimum RPM is 80% of WOT.  On the
> 3GM30F with WOT at approx. 3400 RPM that is 2720.  We run at 2800RPM.  3100
> seems a bit in excess of 80%
>
>
>
> I also wonder how much difference the size and weight of a boat comes into
> play.  Our 33 is design displacement 9000 lbs and yet has same engine and
> transmission.
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 33 #16
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Francois
> Rivard via CnC-List
> *Sent:* September 19, 2019 10:23 AM
> *To:* captnga...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Francois Rivard 
> *Subject:* Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!
>
>
>
> Hi Gary,
>
>
>
> You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and
> transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of
> the transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they
> said: "Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing"
>
>
>
> They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says
> it should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat:
> the vibrations sounded / looked destructive.
>
>
>
> I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a
> commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile"
> French Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few
> manufacturers had sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst
> offender.  The comment was that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient
> but: "Be careful with the throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched,
> you could damage your engine".
>
>
>
> Live and learn..
>
>
>
> Francois
>
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Hi Francois,
>  I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
> different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
> for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
> transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
> Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
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Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

A couple more points.

First I want to mention that what ultimately helped me get through
the ordeal was Chuck Scheafer and this list.

I knew from having actually motored on Chuck's boat and that the Max Prop
would work well.  I went for the Flex O fold mostly because it was over
$1,000 cheaper and appeared to have less drag.

Chuck also put me in touch with another 34+ owner who's got a Flex-O-Fold
installed.  I called him / he has the same 16 X 12 Flex o Fold I was sent
and he also thought it was over-pitched. He can't get more than 2900-3000
RPM either. He also told me he's replaced his engine mounts and  has to
replace his cutlass bearing every other year.  After that conversation I
knew I had to get a different prop.

As for the comment about 2,850 RPM being an ideal RPM for the 3GM 30F
that's true.  It's the ideal cruising RPM. as stated by Yanmar in the
manual

However, according to Yanmar's dyno testing graph the engine  makes 16 HP
on the "Propeller Power Curve" at 2850 RPM.  The engine needs 3,400 RPM to
make it's max rating of 24 HP "Propeller Power".  If it's struggling to get
to 3000 in good weather, you might get to 2,700 - 2,800 in a stiff headwind
and waves. Personally, I would not want to be in a storm with an engine
struggling to make 16 HP  "Propeller power" pushing a 13,000 lbs 36 ft boat
through rough waters...

- Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Duct-work

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

My 36 XL/kcb has essentially zero space to run AC ducts, although the initial 
installation did run some from the AC installed in my starboard cockpit 
lazarette--this was such a tortuous route that there was little air flow into 
the any cabin!
My solution, especially for our racer-cruiser hulls, was to vent the AC output 
directly into the head thru a ~ 6-8" hole I cut into the shower wall. This, 
with a louvered plastic cover, directs ALL the AC output direct thru the open 
head door into the main cabin, keeping it nice and cool, with only two 90 
degree bends and no reduced diameter duct work.
The return is thru the door into the aft cabin and back to the AC input via a 
screened opening from the starboard side of the aft cabin.
Basically I have no ducts, good air flow and nice cooling with my 16KBTU unit 
in my 36XL. Those with boats with similar challenges regarding space for ducts 
might consider a similar solution, especially if any duct work is difficult. 
Getting the duct work to 1) a particular place is important but what you really 
want is 2) lots of cool air flow. If 1) prevents 2), you might be better off to 
forego tortuous duct work and just '...let her rip...", especially in our 30-40 
ft boats.
YMMV
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C XL/kcb



-Original Message-
From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Dreuge 
Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2019 11:47 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- POWER DRAW

Yikes!    25 amps seems excessive.   My 16,500BTU uses less than 15 Amps as it 
does not trip a 15 Amp Blue Sea breaker.

-
Paul E.1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:54 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
From: Edd Schillay 
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw
 Water Supply
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Josh,

The quote I?m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I?m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn?t 
consider under the v-berth as there?s a lot of storage that I use down there 
and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge. 

As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I?d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran your lines. 

The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that?s quite a long run, is it not? 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 


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Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,

I know this one's been already extensively covered. But.

David Mocny whom also posts (Used to?)  on this list also installed A/C on
his 37+ some years ago.

He went with 2 units: A 16,000 BTU (If I remember right) in the back and a
smaller unit for the v-birth  / salon area.  I'm certain that he used the
v-birth sink through hull for the forward unit. I believe the forward unit
is installed under a settee somewhere.

It was quite the project, he showed me how he did it.

You should reach out to David / PM me if you need is phone number.

Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- POWER DRAW

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Yikes!25 amps seems excessive.   My 16,500BTU uses less than 15 Amps as it 
does not trip a 15 Amp Blue Sea breaker.


-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:54 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> From: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw
>   Water Supply
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Josh,
> 
> The quote I?m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I?m told will draw close 
> to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
> cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn?t 
> consider under the v-berth as there?s a lot of storage that I use down there 
> and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge. 
> 
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge 
> and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
> interfering with engine access. I?d be interested in seeing a diagram as to 
> how you ran your lines. 
> 
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
> that?s quite a long run, is it not? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  >

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our raw water intake for the AC used to share the engine raw water intake.
We now have a separate thru hull for the AC.  The AC Raw Water pump and
strainer are located just above the transmission, just inside the rear
access door in the aft cabin, easy access.  There is a nice teak enclosure
surrounding the AC unit, under the stairs, with vents forward to the galley
area and aft to the stern berth.  The air intake is a teak louvre on the
side facing the galley. There is a shelf created as a result just under the
top step with a fiddle surrounding, a handy place for small stuff just
inside the companionway. Doesn't look like an add on at all, looks like it
had been there when the boat was built.

The discharge hose runs under the fuel tank to a thru hull next to the
others in the stern.

This is a photo of the AC enclosure under the stairs on a sister 37/40:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/C%26C_37-40_Galley_Interior.jpg


Ken H.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 12:16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> "Long run" depends on where you put the unit and more importantly where
> you put the water pump.  Mine being under the stairs means that the head
> only adds about 5 feet - I guess - of hose.  Of course there is room under
> the sink to put the pump in the  head too.
>
> Truth be told, I didn't run my lines.  The PO did.  I have never really
> dug into the specifics of how the wired or hoses go.  When I see it I know
> but can really recall.
>
> IIRC, I seem the think the power comes directly from the lazarett where
> the power plug(s) are located.  And runs under the fuel tank to the engine
> compartment then up along one of the corner supports through the ceiling of
> the engine compartment to the HVAC compartment.  During the install the PO
> built in wooden walls to house the HVAC unit.
>
> The hoses come from one of the three thru-hulls at the base of the
> stairs.  The pump sits just forward of the engine and straddles the
> athwartship stringer.  I need to install a vent since the pump doesn't
> self-prime.  The discharge from the pump leads stbd to the forward corner
> engine compartment support and then up through the compartment ceiling.
> Water leaving the HVAC goes out the same path the power comes in.  There is
> a discharge port in the hull near the transom.
>
> The only engine access concern for me would be in the event of an engine
> replacement since the "ceiling" would have an HVAC unit mounted above.  A
> total deconstruct would be needed.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 10:54 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
>> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
>> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
>> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
>> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
>> challenge.
>>
>> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
>> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
>> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
>> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>>
>> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
>> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
>> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
>> one under the V-berth.
>>
>> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
>> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
>> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>>
>> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
>> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
>> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
>>> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
>>> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
>>> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>>>
>>> The 

Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

A better solution would  be to tee off the head intake to the head sink drain 
seacock.  This way you can have a dedicated seacock for the AC water inlet.  

And as a bonus, you will be able to close off the head seacock when you leave, 
run fresh water in the sink, and flush the fresh water through the head inlet 
line.  This will eliminate much of any head stink (which many folks think is 
due to the holding tank, but is in fact seawater anaerobic decay).

In any event, use a big strainer with a good basket.  I use a Groco ARG-750 
with a Monel basket (Monel metal is better than Stainless 316 for fast flowing 
water, but it costs more).

I got my strainer from Flagship Marine when I purchased their FM16R 16,500 BTU 
AC unit.  I liked the Groco strainer so much that I replace my engine strainer 
with the same unit and also purchased it from Flagship Marine as they had the 
best price(~$100).   

link to my blog on removing seawater stink via the head tee off:
 http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/08/getting-fresh-water-into-head.html 


link to my blog on AC installation:
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/AirConWork 
 



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:22 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 09:57:44 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List  >
> Subject: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw
>   Water Supply
> Message-ID: <46794590-6a0b-4b2c-994d-91031a295...@schillay.com 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
> and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
> expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
> than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 
> 
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 
> 
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don?t plan to do for another four years 
> or so, I don?t have a dedicated through-hull. I?ve heard it?s not a good idea 
> to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. 
> Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I?d need to refrain from 
> dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
> don?t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?
> 
> Also, I?m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so 
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it?s not like I?m going to have the engine 
> running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt 
> inverter and high-capacity alternator? 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  >
> 

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Oh yeah, I think when the AC was installed that they added a 30 shore power
inlets.  I have 2 directly next to one another.  Since I would rather not
run 2 shore power cables I found a 30 amp 2 to 1 y-adapter.  Both my inlets
are powered by a single 30 amp cord.  I've never blown the breaker.  I
don't typically have the water heater on - ever.  When I go to use the HVAC
the batteries have normally been fully charged.  I'm not running large
heaters (space heater or hair dryers).  And I can't recall using the
microwave simultaneously with the HVAC.  I've always been a little
surprised that the setup has never tripped the dock breaker but I have no
idea what the load is and I'm not complaining.

Josh

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 11:14 AM bwhitmore via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi Edd,
>
> I've been off this list for a while, and couldn't get back on, but now I
> seem to be getting the posts regularly
>   I am happy to take some more photos and send them to you.  Our raw water
> pulls from a separate dedicated seacock in the aft of the engine
> compartment.  You could more easily tie to the engine raw water intake but
> I don't know if that would be advisable if the engine and A/C were run
> simultaneously.  As for shore power. We only have one 30 amp connection,
> but can blow the circuit breaker rarely when we get on the boat and
> simultaneously start up the A/C, hot water heater, battery charger and plug
> in something in to the 110 v. system.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> -- I'm-- Original message 
> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
> Date: 9/19/19 10:00 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw
> Water Supply
>
> You will want a separate shore power cord for the AC if it draws 25 amps,
> don’t try and use the existing shore power.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd
> Schillay via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:54 AM
> *To:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* Edd Schillay 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation
> Questions -- Raw Water Supply
>
>
>
> Josh,
>
>
>
> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
> challenge.
>
>
>
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>
>
>
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Edd
>
>
>
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
>
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
>
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
> one under the V-berth.
>
>
>
> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>
>
>
> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>
>
>
> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>
>
>
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>
>
>
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but 

Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Ours is under the stairs as well,  with vents forward to the galley area and 
aft to the stern berth.  It works well, but feels a little undersized.  We use 
the stern berth all the time, and only occasionally have guests in the V.Sent 
from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/19/19  9:45 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply 2 
installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth and 
under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the 
flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed 
feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.I 
find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look for 
variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.I look forward to hearing how your solution works 
cause I need to upgrade.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MD On 
Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:Listers,Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool 
off the main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I 
understand it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far 
more reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). The 
plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. Until I haul the 
boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or so, I don’t have 
a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to tee off of the 
engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any issues with 
tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from dumping chemicals 
into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals don’t go through 
the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?Also, I’m a little perplexed 
as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, 
so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine running and the AC going at the 
same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator? 
All the best,EddEdd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail 
No: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice, FLStarship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

"Long run" depends on where you put the unit and more importantly where you
put the water pump.  Mine being under the stairs means that the head only
adds about 5 feet - I guess - of hose.  Of course there is room under the
sink to put the pump in the  head too.

Truth be told, I didn't run my lines.  The PO did.  I have never really dug
into the specifics of how the wired or hoses go.  When I see it I know but
can really recall.

IIRC, I seem the think the power comes directly from the lazarett where the
power plug(s) are located.  And runs under the fuel tank to the engine
compartment then up along one of the corner supports through the ceiling of
the engine compartment to the HVAC compartment.  During the install the PO
built in wooden walls to house the HVAC unit.

The hoses come from one of the three thru-hulls at the base of the stairs.
The pump sits just forward of the engine and straddles the athwartship
stringer.  I need to install a vent since the pump doesn't self-prime.  The
discharge from the pump leads stbd to the forward corner engine compartment
support and then up through the compartment ceiling.  Water leaving the
HVAC goes out the same path the power comes in.  There is a discharge port
in the hull near the transom.

The only engine access concern for me would be in the event of an engine
replacement since the "ceiling" would have an HVAC unit mounted above.  A
total deconstruct would be needed.

Josh




On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 10:54 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
> challenge.
>
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
> one under the V-berth.
>
> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>
> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>
> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
>> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
>> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
>> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>>
>> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>>
>> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
>> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
>> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
>> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
>> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
>> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
>> that plan?
>>
>> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is
>> so bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
>> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
>> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your 

Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Edd, I've been off this list for a while, and couldn't get back on, but now 
I seem to be getting the posts regularly  I am happy to take some more photos 
and send them to you.  Our raw water pulls from a separate dedicated seacock in 
the aft of the engine compartment.  You could more easily tie to the engine raw 
water intake but I don't know if that would be advisable if the engine and A/C 
were run simultaneously.  As for shore power. We only have one 30 amp 
connection, but can blow the circuit breaker rarely when we get on the boat and 
simultaneously start up the A/C, hot water heater, battery charger and plug in 
something in to the 110 v. system.Hope this helps, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my 
Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-- I'm-- Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 Date: 9/19/19  10:00 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Della Barba, Joe"  Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply 

You will want a separate shore power cord for the AC if it draws 25 amps, don’t 
try and use the existing shore power.

Joe
Coquina
 


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:54 AM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- 
Raw Water Supply


 
Josh,

 


The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn’t consider
 under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use down there and, as 
far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge. 


 


As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran
 your lines. 


 


The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that’s quite a long run, is it not? 


 





All the best,


 


Edd


 


 


Edd M. Schillay


Captain of the Starship Enterprise


C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B


Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL


 



Starship Enterprise's
 Captain's Log


 








    


 









 

On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

 


2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth 
and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.

 


Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the flush 
water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed feelings 
about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.


 


I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look 
for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.


 


I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.


 


Josh Muckley 


S/V Sea Hawk 


1989 C 37+


Solomons, MD 


 


 


 


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:



Listers,

 


Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say,
 David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 


 


The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 


 


Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues
 with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from dumping 
chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals don’t go 
through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?


 


Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and
 high-capacity alternator? 





All the best,


 


Edd


 


 


Edd M. Schillay


Captain of the Starship Enterprise


C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B


Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL


 



Starship Enterprise's
 Captain's Log


 












 








 


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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You will want a separate shore power cord for the AC if it draws 25 amps, don’t 
try and use the existing shore power.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:54 AM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- 
Raw Water Supply

Josh,

The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn’t 
consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use down there 
and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge.

As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran your lines.

The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that’s quite a long run, is it not?


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log












On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth 
and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.

Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the flush 
water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed feelings 
about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.

I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look 
for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.

I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log












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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Our AC is under the stairs, above the engine.  I'm not sure of the size but
it works fine for us.  I'll look to see if I have photos of it.

Ken H.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 11:54, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
> challenge.
>
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
> one under the V-berth.
>
> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>
> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>
> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
>> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
>> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
>> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>>
>> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>>
>> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
>> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
>> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
>> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
>> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
>> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
>> that plan?
>>
>> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is
>> so bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
>> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
>> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Many years ago (>5?) I sprung for the Gori 2 blade, rated then per tank tests 
to be the lowest drag 2 blade geared folder available. 

Worked with AB marine (Geoff? a New Zealander) and got everything right the 
first time and have never had any problems. I do have it cleaned up and 
serviced every year at haulout.
When new it was such a beautiful shiny piece of bronze/brass engineering I 
‘almost’ hated to install it underwater!.
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C XL/kcb
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solves the problem (for racing) of a Martec blade hanging down if not aligned. 
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:21 AMTo: 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List The Low drag 
Prop saga is over! 
Hi Francois
 
  

Our boat although much smaller than a 34+ (Frers 33) also has 3GM30F with 
1:2.61 Kanzaki transmission.  We had a Martec RH16D x 14P-3 prop that worked 
fine in fwd and poorly in reverse.  Flex-o-fold sent 16x12 R bladeset and 2 
blade hub.  It arrived in 3 days after order.
 
  

It is a bit smoother than the Martec in fwd, has much better reverse and I now 
know that we don’t have the possibility of one blade hanging down (we could 
never align shaft due to access).  We are very happy with the flex-o-fold.
 
  

I thought I had heard somewhere that optimum RPM is 80% of WOT.  On the 3GM30F 
with WOT at approx. 3400 RPM that is 2720.  We run at 2800RPM.  3100 seems a 
bit in excess of 80%
 
  

I also wonder how much difference the size and weight of a boat comes into 
play.  Our 33 is design displacement 9000 lbs and yet has same engine and 
transmission.
 
  

Mike Hoyt
 
Persistence
 
1987 Frers 33 #16
 
Halifax, NS
 
www.hoytsailing.com
 
  

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Cc: Francois Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!
 
  

Hi Gary, 
 
  

You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and 
transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of the 
transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they said: 
"Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing" 
 
  

They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says it 
should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat: the 
vibrations sounded / looked destructive.  
 
  

I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a 
commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile" French 
Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few manufacturers had 
sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst offender.  The comment was 
that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient but: "Be careful with the 
throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched, you could damage your engine". 
 
  

Live and learn.. 
 
  

Francois
 
1990 34+ "Take Five"
 
Lake Lanier, GA  
 
  

  

---
Hi Francois,
 I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA  
 

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

This is all *very* dependent on the individual boat and exactly how the hoses 
are run and how far underwater the intake is. I tried to T my head intake to 
the head sink drain and it was a fail. The thru-hull wasn’t deep enough and 
head just ended up sucking air.
My wash-down pump T’s off the engine intake and this has never caused an issue. 
Factors in my favor is the engine intake is deeper, the pump is up high – way 
higher than the engine, and it has check valves that should prevent air going 
the other direction.
One challenge with AC pumps is usually they can’t suck water any distance and 
need to be down below the water line to work. I would put a high loop someplace 
on the output side of the AC pump to make it harder for air to make it back 
down the line. I saw one boat at our marina that avoided all these issues by 
running the dock hose through the AC instead of using a pump.

Joe
Coquina

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Raw Water Supply

My ac has been T’d off the engine cooling thru-hull for 24+ years without 
issues—save for a small sea snake who managed to get into the ac cooling tube 
but not thru the strainer in the tube!

In addition to a small strainer in the ac line (after the T of course), I have 
a valve to shut off cooling water to the ac when motoring.

Only thing I might do differently is to T off the engine cooling line after the 
Groco water strainer which may have prevented the snake clogging the flow—and 
save a few pieces of my heart muscle!

OTOH, this approach may lead to other problems and since my setup has done well 
for so long I have no desire to mess with it!

BTW, if I forget to close the valve in the ac line while motoring, I have never 
seen my Beta 28 overheat as a result—although I try to close it ‘religiously’ 
when motoring.

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Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
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On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Josh,

The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn’t 
consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use down there 
and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge. 

As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran your lines. 

The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that’s quite a long run, is it not? 


All the best,

Edd


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Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth 
and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.

Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the flush 
water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed feelings 
about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.

I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look 
for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.

I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
one under the V-berth.

Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.

I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.

I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
> that plan?
>
> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Yes, the Flex-o-Fold prop also solves the problem (for racing) of a Martec 
blade hanging down if not aligned.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:21 AM
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

Hi Francois

 

Our boat although much smaller than a 34+ (Frers 33) also has 3GM30F with 
1:2.61 Kanzaki transmission.  We had a Martec RH16D x 14P-3 prop that worked 
fine in fwd and poorly in reverse.  Flex-o-fold sent 16x12 R bladeset and 2 
blade hub.  It arrived in 3 days after order.

 

It is a bit smoother than the Martec in fwd, has much better reverse and I now 
know that we don’t have the possibility of one blade hanging down (we could 
never align shaft due to access).  We are very happy with the flex-o-fold.

 

I thought I had heard somewhere that optimum RPM is 80% of WOT.  On the 3GM30F 
with WOT at approx. 3400 RPM that is 2720.  We run at 2800RPM.  3100 seems a 
bit in excess of 80%

 

I also wonder how much difference the size and weight of a boat comes into 
play.  Our 33 is design displacement 9000 lbs and yet has same engine and 
transmission.

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

1987 Frers 33 #16

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com

 

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Sent: September 19, 2019 10:23 AM
To: captnga...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Francois Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

 

Hi Gary, 

 

You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and 
transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of the 
transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they said: 
"Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing" 

 

They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says it 
should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat: the 
vibrations sounded / looked destructive.  

 

I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a 
commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile" French 
Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few manufacturers had 
sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst offender.  The comment was 
that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient but: "Be careful with the 
throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched, you could damage your engine". 

 

Live and learn.. 

 

Francois

1990 34+ "Take Five"

Lake Lanier, GA  

 

 

---
Hi Francois,
 I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA  




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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Edd,,

It is simple. Unless you install a cut off valve in the teed line off the
raw water entail, the engine's raw water pump will suck the water out of
the HVAC water line. When that happens you will have air in the intake line
and your engine will over heat, etc. all sorts of bad things will then
happen. Air is easier to for the pump to suck than water.

Been there & done that, so we built a manifold system to prove water from 1
intake for the both the engine and HVAC water pump. However, I have to
close the valve for the HVAC side when running the engine and visa versa.
It works, but is sometime a PITA

Good luck

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald Forwarding Co. Inc. FMC license no:1966F
S/V HONEY - US12788
C 39TM (1974)
Savannah, GA

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
> that plan?
>
> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

My ac has been T’d off the engine cooling thru-hull for 24+ years without 
issues—save for a small sea snake who managed to get into the ac cooling tube 
but not thru the strainer in the tube! 
In addition to a small strainer in the ac line (after the T of course), I have 
a valve to shut off cooling water to the ac when motoring.
Only thing I might do differently is to T off the engine cooling line after the 
Groco water strainer which may have prevented the snake clogging the flow—and 
save a few pieces of my heart muscle!
OTOH, this approach may lead to other problems and since my setup has done well 
for so long I have no desire to mess with it!
BTW, if I forget to close the valve in the ac line while motoring, I have never 
seen my Beta 28 overheat as a result—although I try to close it ‘religiously’ 
when motoring. 
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb

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 On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Listers,
Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 
The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 
Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?
Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator? 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Francois

Our boat although much smaller than a 34+ (Frers 33) also has 3GM30F with 
1:2.61 Kanzaki transmission.  We had a Martec RH16D x 14P-3 prop that worked 
fine in fwd and poorly in reverse.  Flex-o-fold sent 16x12 R bladeset and 2 
blade hub.  It arrived in 3 days after order.

It is a bit smoother than the Martec in fwd, has much better reverse and I now 
know that we don’t have the possibility of one blade hanging down (we could 
never align shaft due to access).  We are very happy with the flex-o-fold.

I thought I had heard somewhere that optimum RPM is 80% of WOT.  On the 3GM30F 
with WOT at approx. 3400 RPM that is 2720.  We run at 2800RPM.  3100 seems a 
bit in excess of 80%

I also wonder how much difference the size and weight of a boat comes into 
play.  Our 33 is design displacement 9000 lbs and yet has same engine and 
transmission.

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com

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CnC-List
Sent: September 19, 2019 10:23 AM
To: captnga...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Francois Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

Hi Gary,

You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and 
transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of the 
transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they said: 
"Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing"

They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says it 
should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat: the 
vibrations sounded / looked destructive.

I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a 
commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile" French 
Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few manufacturers had 
sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst offender.  The comment was 
that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient but: "Be careful with the 
throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched, you could damage your engine".

Live and learn..

Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


---
Hi Francois,
 I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

For what it’s worth, I bought a Flex-o-Fold prop two or three years ago to 
replace my old Martec folding prop and am generally satisfied.  My main issue 
with the Martec was its propensity to “half open” going into forward gear, 
which shakes the boat.  The way to deal with it was to take it out of forward 
gear, go into reverse, increase the speed, lower the speed, then go back into 
forward.  This gets really old after a while.

My Flex-o-Fold does not present the Martec issue, although sometimes I can feel 
the prop turning after the engine is shut off.  Putting the engine in reverse 
shortly before shutting down corrects this.

I agree that the bedside manner of the Flex-o-Fold reps could use improvement.  
I had a few questions before I purchased the prop, and the responses I got were 
matter of fact and somewhat condescending.  It was almost like they were 
offended because I dared to ask how they selected the prop for my boat.  
Perhaps it’s a cultural thing. 

From: Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 9:23 AM
To: captnga...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Francois Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

Hi Gary, 

You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and 
transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of the 
transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they said: 
"Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing" 

They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says it 
should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat: the 
vibrations sounded / looked destructive.  

I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a 
commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile" French 
Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few manufacturers had 
sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst offender.  The comment was 
that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient but: "Be careful with the 
throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched, you could damage your engine". 

Live and learn.. 

Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA  


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Hi Francois,
 I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA  




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Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Gary,

You're right the 34+, 34/36, 34 R's came with a variety of engines and
transmissions.  They had me submit both my engine serial # and a picture of
the transmission placard.  (Yanmar 3GM30F / Kanzaki 2.6:1 Ratio) and they
said: "Your engine is the most popular out there, we know what we're doing"

They didn't.  Max RPM was a struggling and smoking 3000-3100. Yanmar says
it should be 3,400 continuous / 3,600 1 hour rating.  That + on my boat:
the vibrations sounded / looked destructive.

I had a lot of time to research all that and this over-pitching thing is a
commonly done to make their product look more efficient.  The "Voile"
French Magazine did a  low drag prop test and they stated that a few
manufacturers had sent over pitched props / Flex o fold was the worst
offender.  The comment was that the Flex o Fold was very fuel efficient
but: "Be careful with the throttle, the prop is dangerously over-pitched,
you could damage your engine".

Live and learn..

Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


---
Hi Francois,
 I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Francois,
 I had the same problem.  It turned out my 37+ was delivered with 2
different transmission ratios, and the previous owner had ordered the prop
for the wrong ratio.  I wonder if the 34+ is available with 2 different
transmission ratios.  Once they sent me the correct prop she was fine.
Agreed, they weren't the most friendly to deal with.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 1:19 AM Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Last June, I took the opportunity to remove my old tired Martec prop and
> send it to the factory for a rebuild while my boat was on the hard for a
> new bottom paint,
>
> Sounded like a great idea except that the post office lost the prop.
>
> Upon realizing that the prop was gone for good, I did much research and
> decided to buy a Flex-O-Fold 2 blades folder. I had to hurry and put my
> order in before July 5th because Flex - O  - Fold was closing their
> doors for "Summer Holiday" between July 10th and August 15th.  Can you
> believe it? Yep, close the whole thing down right smack in the middle of
> prime sailing season.
>
> That should have been a clue about their customer service or lack
> thereof.
>
> I got the prop direct from Denmark about a week after putting the order in
> and had my diver buddy do the install.   The prop looked great but did not
> perform well at all.  It was over pitched and vibrating really badly, worse
> than my old tired Martec, my engine was smoking, vibrating, and generally
> peeved from the lugging / overload.  I just had to put-up with it until mid
> August when they came back from vacation.  After that It was one arguing
> email after another on why I'm wrong, my engine is bad (It made 7.6 knots
> on flat water with the old 3 fixed bladed prop), and in their infinite
> wisdom they had "definitely" sent me the right prop / I was just not
> appreciating it.  It finally ended with sending a picture of my
> chartplotter clearly displaying 7.6 knots SOG while motoring  Then they
> said: Send the whole thing back to us.
>
> Truth to be told, all it probably needed was new blades with 1 inch less
> pitch.  (They were 16 X 12) I was so fed-up with their crappy attitude, I
> spent the 200 bucks and sent the thing back. They "Checked" it (Nothing
> mechanically wrong, just wrong specs) and finally became decent / offered
> to send my money back.
>
> After the refund, I ordered a 2 blades 16" Max Prop Easy  / received it
> last week / installed it yesterday.
>
> It works!  My engine maxes-out at the Yanmar prescribed RPM, it's smoother
> than I expected, almost as smooth as the fixed 3 blades prop, and the
> reverse is phenomenal, just like everybody says.   As a bonus, according to
> a German magazine test, it has less sailing drag than the Flex - O - Fold.
>
> 3 months later... It's done.  Good thing we sail all year long here.  I'd
> be pretty upset If I had to put the boat away for the winter in a week or
> two...
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
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