Listers:
I recently removed two old stainless deck mounts for a reaching strut.
Given the style of the deck mounts, I believe they were original to the boat
(1976). Remarkably, no evidence of leaks in all that time. The sealant that
was used appears to be the same grey butyl material
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 9:06 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
wrote:
Listers:
I recently removed two old stainless deck mounts for a reaching strut.
Given the style of the deck mounts, I believe they were original to the boat
(1976). Remarkably
I was on the APS mailing list, and they announced a month or two ago that they
were going to sell most of the inventory and essentially sell clothing. They
were my small boat one design go to (420s, Lasers, etc.) for years. I wonder
what happened.
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent:
I was previously chastised for suggesting bleach as it can harm stainless
steel. I have found Purple Power to be an effective bilge cleaner.
From: David Risch via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 4:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge cleaner
I also like Rigging Only for line and hardware. Worth checking before buying.
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:15 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sad day, APS no longer carrying rope or hardware!
Fawcetts is my go-to place for
I agree. I’ve noticed that if someone sits in the way back of the cockpit of
my boat near the Sirius antenna, this will interfere with the signal. Whether
a bimini will cause the same issue will depend on the nature of the overhead
obstruction (pole or cloth), I suppose. It should be
Yes, the Flex-o-Fold prop also solves the problem (for racing) of a Martec
blade hanging down if not aligned.
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:21 AM
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!
Hi
For what it’s worth, I bought a Flex-o-Fold prop two or three years ago to
replace my old Martec folding prop and am generally satisfied. My main issue
with the Martec was its propensity to “half open” going into forward gear,
which shakes the boat. The way to deal with it was to take it out
of these. I used them once... I can't even remember
where I stored them. I didn't like having to step up on them to get to the helm
and the added seating was not worth the inconvenience.
James
Oriental, NC
On 9/30/2019 2:00 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
I’m very interested
Welcome aboard, Evan.
If you decide down the road to do something more elaborate (and expensive)
with your windows, my 1978 34 came with the same oval framed windows (C
started using the "go fast" windows on the 34 the next year). I replaced my
windows with Lewmar opening ports, which
Was wondering about that.
From: Dave. via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: kasel...@q.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
OOOPS. How about 1975? I have a 1965 VW 21 window transporter, does that count?
Dave.
SLY
1975 C
Don’t sugar-coat it, Edd.
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay ; Robert Gallagher
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gone off topic Star Trek
First of all, we would never waste a photon torpedo on your Catalina 36. We all
Try South Shore in Niagara on the Lake.
From: Jim Reinardy via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: firewa...@reinardy.us
Subject: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2
Hi all,
We were headed out for the last race of the season Saturday and as we loaded
I use Snapit products in the cockpit, especially on the pedestal guard. I
assume they would work on a 30 Mark 1.
From: Joseph Bognar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joseph Bognar
Subject: Re: Stus-List cockpit cup holders
I have the ones
My Cold Machine had electrical problems two years ago. I called in a pro and
had it repaired for around $250. That got me through the season. Last year
the system ran low on pressure. I found some illegal refrigerant and got it up
and running. Toward the end of last year the leak got
As I understand it, the main purpose of the blower is to vent gasoline fumes
out of the engine compartment to eliminate (or greatly reduce) the risk of
explosion. Diesel fumes don’t present an explosion risk as far as I know.
Nevertheless, I run the blower on my boat (diesel engine) when I’m
I’m very interested in the port and starboard “filler” boards. I’m thinking
about making a set for more seating in the cockpit. The cockpit configuration
on my boat is similar to the 34 and the 36 of the same vintage (late-‘70s /
early-80s). Has anyone done this?
From: Glenn Henderson via
Thanks, Edd. For some reason, I thought we just went through this within the
past year or so (there was a spreadsheet involved).
In any event: Matt Wolford / Second Wind / C 42 Custom / 1976 / 20819 /
wolf...@erie.net / Erie, PA
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 03,
I also remove my large hatch cover (32” x 32”). After replacing the lens a few
years ago, we had a stretch of –15 F temperatures for two or three days, and
the aluminum contracted so much that the lens was pushed out. It settled back
in when the temperature rose, but the seal was shot.
From:
I'm going to depart from the consensus. I remove my compasses for the
winter. I started doing so after a large bubble developed on the compass on
my 34. I had Viking do a rebuild and began removing the compass for winter
storage thereafter. No bubbles after that. I suppose if it were
I failed to note that the Viking repair person also commented that the seal
failed on my 34 compass due to the cold temperature.
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 9:45 AM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Compass
Now the seals are a little bit
After this discussion emerged on this list a year or two ago, I contacted GEICO
(which had become the Boat US insurer) and asked whether, if I were dismasted,
the depreciation would apply. They looked into it and replied yes. As I
recall, there was a 20% floor. In other words, if I got
It is also why I switched to Travelers.
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated
coverage...
This is why I just switched to Progressive. How
It has to do with where not to rendezvous, especially for Starships.
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I'm in the middle of this project. I was planning on doing the new
plywood/fake teak and holly thing, but last year something happened that
changed my mind. While doing a different project, I spilled some acetone on
a floorboard that caused the varnish to peel. I decided to fix that one
Geez, Edd, you make Florida marinas sound like Talos IV or something.
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 2:48 PM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List C Rendezvous -- Florida (February 2020?)
Listers,
There appears to be some
Think of it as a yellow spring line.
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:44 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Starting An Engine with Battery Charger Connected?
But I have done this too!!
Bill Coleman
Erie PA
From:
I don’t know if it’s good or bad. I do know that a couple Guest chargers on my
34 failed before I began unplugging before starting, and did not fail after I
began unplugging before starting. As a result, unplugging first became my
practice (provided I remember). Nothing bad has happened on
I submitted a claim under a BoatUS CNA policy years ago, and it was handled
satisfactorily and professionally. In stark contrast, I had a hard time
getting a straight answer from GEICO about the depreciation issue (layers of
bureaucracy). I am not surprised that their claims process is
The change was that things other than the agreed upon hull value depreciate for
older boats. I saw the new provision in my GEICO policy after this list
alerted me to it.
From: Allen Miles via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 4:17 PM
To: CNC
Cc: Allen Miles
Subject: Re: Stus-List
We are having problems on Lake Erie. Portions of the Erie Yacht Club grounds
were under water this spring and summer. Even when the level dropped toward
the end of the season, a strong breeze will change local levels and create a
problem. During the storm on October 31, the difference in
On Lake Erie, PHRF ratings are assigned by PHRF-LE, not local clubs. There are
a few occasions where a club or organizing authority might assign a temporary
rating, but “reviews and adjustments” to a base rating would be handled by
PHRF-LE. PHRF-LE made an across-the-board 3 seconds/mile
Word of mouth and reaching out seems to work better than “crew list” boards.
FWIW (not much), in my experience you need to find people who are committed to
going all the time (like every race in the schedule) and, in turn, you as
skipper also need to be equally committed. If you don’t race all
All this talk about PHRF reminds me that, back in the day when a lot of C and
other older model boat data was compiled, a typical course configuration where
I sailed was a 15-mile triangle (five mile legs) in Lake Erie (consistent wind,
more waves). The local fleet later went to a 15-mile
Ditto. You can buy “illegal” replacements at any decent hardware store.
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:53 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List My outboards..
I HATE most of the new "spill proof" cans. They're a PIA to operate. Sorry.
Hot
I use a RAM mount. I have a two U-bolt mount with a 1 1/2” ball, the double
socket gizmo, and a Tab-Tite to hold my iPad. The Tab-Tite is oversized and
expands, so it will accommodate various sizes of tablets. As I recall the
entire set up cost about $50, which for boating equipment is
Does safety glass come in tinted varieties?
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 portlight replacement - Is this stuff silicone or
is it something else?
Silicone and Polysulfide won’t
I don’t know if I’d do the Welland or drive over, but I’m much more likely to
attend something that close (to me, anyway). I might even swing by that museum
with all the C drawings.
From: Glen Eddie via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 4:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen
That’s a fancy version of the one I had years ago (more bells and whistles).
From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:03 PM
To: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List
Cc: Doug Robinson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Blue Seas Battery Switch Failure
I just replaced the old switches
Blue Sea Systems used to have a simpler switch to separate the house and engine
batteries (or combine them if the starting battery failed to start the engine).
This is the setup I had on my 34. I kept the old Perko 1-2-all switch for the
two house bank batteries, although I usually kept that
Robinson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:10 AM
To: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
Cc: Doug Robinson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ? Alive and well and lots of
loupers headed around the system.well worth
I’ll have to look into it. Mast down, I assume?
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
Not so long ago I took a Swan 59 down the Erie Canal from Oswego
They refer to them as “inland oceans” for a reason. They’re massive and
beautiful. Let me know if you’re ever up this way during sailing season.
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List
I only do about 500 pounds sitting at the dock. I might go a little higher on
at a mooring just because the boat bounces around more.
From: David Risch via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 3:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 44 Navtec backstay
It doesn’t.
Niagara Falls and the Welland Canal are the two main “exits” from Lake Erie.
As I understand it, much of the flow going down the Niagara River is diverted
for hydraulic power, and presumably there is more flow now going over the falls
due to the high lake level. Obviously, it’s
I use two Deka deep cycle flooded for the house and a starting battery (also
flooded) for the engine.
From: Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:28 PM
To: C List
Cc: Peter Cowenhoven
Subject: Stus-List Flooded Batteries
Anyone still use flooded batteries. Looking
I believe I reported recently that I went from a Martec two blade to a Flex o
Fold two blade. My Westerbeke diesel engine likes to run at about 2000 RPM.
The performance of the props is comparable, although the Flex o Fold seems to
provide more power in reverse. Overall, I am happy with the
Listers:
FYI, I just received a notice from the “Vessel Documentation Portal”
concerning my expiring certificate. This bogus letter looks a little different
than the last few bogus letters. It’s either a different service or they
changed the look of the letter. In any event, it appears
I was looking for contact info on the Museum’s website but couldn’t find
anything other than “moderator” e-mail addresses. Will check the C list
archives. Thanks.
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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 11:41 AM
To: Richard Bush
Cc: Tim Rutherford ; cnc-list
a number of 616-542-2261
Email of mar...@marmuseum.ca
Bill Coleman
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Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2019 11:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List 36-1
Very insightful, Shawn. Thanks.
From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tips for finding and keeping racing crew
I'm going to give my perspective as a novice racer (although I did race Lasers
I replaced the rod rigging shrouds on my 1978 34. As I recall, for that
vintage Navtec there is a piece of threaded pipe that goes through the mast and
connects to the shrouds on each side. There are stainless screw caps that
screw onto the pipe on both sides to hold the shrouds in place.
My understanding is that an RC also has the ability to protest a violation as
Bill states.
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Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 9:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: WILLIAM WALKER
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing
Can't the race committee protest OBSERVED violation
While on this topic, we did you choose the dip-tube over the bottom drain
outlet?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 24, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Ronco-Plastics.com
>
> They have ready-made tooling for a lot of different tanks, and will work with
> you to find
ian Humphreys
> Telamon Technologies, Inc.
> POB 396, Rockport, ME 04856
> 207-763-4691, mobile: 207-542-2312
> adri...@telamontech.com
>
>
>
>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
>> wrote:
>>
>> While on this topic, we
.
>>
>> Adrian Humphreys
>> Telamon Technologies, Inc.
>> POB 396, Rockport, ME 04856
>> 207-763-4691, mobile: 207-542-2312
>> adri...@telamontech.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
>>&
I like the Garhauer adjustable lead genny cars that fit on my 43-year old track
(thanks, Guido), but they do not adjust with the ease of a Harken system. The
cars – which unfortunately do not accept two lines (for re-running) – are
robust and a great value under the circumstances; but if I
Better get mine down (kidding, neighbor)!
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 5:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
The Owner!
What kind of clown doesn’t take their jib down for winter storage??
We always
Tom:
I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my previous
34. They were similar boats.
One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34. The boat
reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy breeze. I later
discovered that my
the knot come free. I
also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think I'll add a more
secure knot at the final block to be safe.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via
Echoing Neil’s comments about North – at least in recent years -- not only was
the NorDac main on my boat less than stellar, another boat in my local fleet
had a similar issue (North ended up replacing the main on that boat) and my
next door neighbor (cruiser) had an issue with his NorDac
FYI, I have dealt with both Doyle and North, and I prefer Doyle. The best rag
on my boat is a Doyle 153% genoa (not dacron, however).
From: Nathan Post via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Sails...
David,
About two years ago I bought a NorDac main from North. It is a different kind
of dacron, and is very heavy and cumbersome. Mine was cut incorrectly, and has
since been re-cut. It looks much better now and seems to be performing
acceptably, but I would not recommend it due to its bulk and
Dennis:
One last observation to your point. I have found over the years that the
odds of making a dumb boat-related decision is directly proportional to the
amount of time I spend thinking about it ahead of time. When I simply do my
best to repair or replace old equipment with something
FYI, my routine is similar to Chuck's regarding the bilge water issue.
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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac
I wrestled with this idea
n the hard over a Northern winter. On Persistence
we do not have a garboard drain .. this is only because I visually inspect
the boat during my daily commute and visit it often over the winters ...
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Matthew L
I have been toying with the idea of configuring a hatch-mounted “portable” AC
unit for the dock only — small enough to remove when heading out. I’m
interested in following your project. What kind of hatch is on your 41?
(Atkins & Hoyle?). I have a friend with a 41 and will pass along your
FWIW, my wife often says she liked our 34 better than the 42 Custom. She is
intimidated by the size and power of the bigger boat, especially when the wind
builds. She thinks it was easier for the two of us to take out the smaller
boat (true). Personally, I like the bigger boat now that I’m
At the risk of providing TMI, my perspective on racing has evolved over time.
I started racing on my Dad’s Cal 33 when I was a kid. We were dedicated racers
(and won a lot), which meant at least a full day every weekend (usually
Sundays) late spring, summer, and early fall. My Mom was not a
I just got your note, if that helps.
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> On Feb 12, 2021, at 4:57 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
>
> You know stu i have been here for over 15 years and contributing to folks
> from ny knowledge snd experiences thanks for making that possible here. but i
> do
I viewed Bill’s note as being sent in jest (mine, too). Kevin made a mistake,
and Bill and I poked a little fun. Let’s not overreact.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
>
> My apologies to everyone. That message was not intended for
I should clarify my previous note. We were prepared and ready to go, with
extra hands, when the crane truck arrived. There’s a lot of monkeying around
to do beforehand. If you’re paying for all the prep work, it’s obviously going
to cost a lot more.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 1, 2021, at
I was also looking into this recently. I found on-line a place called Teak
Concepts, which appears to also go by the name Cruising Concepts. I filled out
the web inquiry form, but did not get a response. That was about 2 weeks ago.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 26, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Richard
As I recall the rubber can be removed, which reduces the size sufficiently to
remove. A bit of a pain.
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> On Aug 29, 2022, at 9:26 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
>
> You have to remove the rubber cover from the pump handle. It has to be pried
> off.
>
> Alan
Would you recommend I Tef Gel the bolts this winter?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 13, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
>
> Nope.
> I can recall torquing on my 39, I have a 3/4" torque wrench with a 4 foot
> extension - I would have to put my left foot on the top of
I also have a potential issue with an aluminum spreader. I was hunting around and saw Rig-Rite sells them, but I couldn’t figure out how to get the correct size or customize. I’m interested in your responses.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 17, 2023, at 10:08 AM, John Read via CnC-List wrote:Hi
I also like Lew, whom I contacted based on recommendations from this list. That said, he’s not from NJ (far from it), and shipping cost almost as much as the work. Also, the rebuild work I had done was prophylactic, and my unit now has a very minor leak that it didn’t have before. I’m sure he’d
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