Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
well principally you should be interested in this communication.
Another PRO...
more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve
membership.
.. um, you say that like there is an end-gain
An honor more like. . Plus the opportunity to h
+1 - I like the position and the policy :-)
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Sorry for the cross post Lets move this to community.
Think about infrastructure, pr, website content management, etc etc -
all things without a real 'project' (only in the technical sense of a
CVS module), but still resources o
Ted Husted wrote:
On Jakarta, we have a sample letter that can be sent to
Contributors when we are ready to nominate them as Committers.
It occurred to me that we should also have a follow-up letter
welcome them as a Committer. This would be a good place to
insert some of points that have come
Ted Husted wrote:
On Jakarta, we have a sample letter that can be sent to
Contributors when we are ready to nominate them as Committers.
It occurred to me that we should also have a follow-up letter
welcome them as a Committer. This would be a good place to
insert some of points that have come
Ted Husted wrote:
It also occurs to me that something the incubator project can
do is provide a template set of guidelines and procedures for
the projects. In the way of guidelines, we have a draft set
that includes several "clarifications" , in case anyone in the
incubator project is interest
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
View 1: Open the list completely, anyone can subscribe, post and read
the archive.
+1
View 2: Keep the list open only to committers, members and invitees
(highly contributive developers and users) so far as posting
goes, however allow anyone to re
Waldhoff, Rodney wrote:
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
"B. W. Fitzpatrick" wrote:
Limit the list to committers (with no public archive or posting
ability) but allow committers to nominate "users" who have contributed
to the Apache community, but not in a developer role (or users could
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html as an alternative...
I like the love.html alternative - is embrassing, more depth, warmth,
and has a level of empathy that somehow get's lost in the other document.
Cheers, Steve.
:-D
Mvgr,
Martin
-Original
Sam Ruby wrote:
Stephen McConnell wrote:
I like the love.html alternative - is embrassing, more depth, warmth,
and has a level of empathy that somehow get's lost in the other
document.
Cheers, Steve.
:-D
FYI:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] site]$ls -l love.*
lrwxrwxr-x 1 jon jakarta 10 Jul 17
Kurt Schrader wrote:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Ted Husted wrote:
10/29/2002 6:33:40 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seeing that on an
official apache web site is going to think it represents the
overall apache viewpoint. i perso
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
this mail list thru a web archive?
[X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
- o -
VOTE 2: would you like to m
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Quoting Costin Manolache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Thanks for answering this, it is really helpful.
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 04:25, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Please, let me ask you a few questions. I would be very happy if you or
others could answer them:
1) was Catalin
Jeff Turner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:05:24AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...
I still disagree. The rules of revolutionaries *MUST* (I repeat *MUST*!!!)
protect the identity of the project more than they protect the freedom of
innovation of the single developers.
More than anythi
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Alright, here you go. Get it out of your systems
so I hear 3.3 was a total waste of time and that 4.0 was the best
thing ever and that 4.0 is way faster than 3.3.
So I hear 4.0 was a big evil conspiricy on the part of Sun via Craig
McClanahan who is really a dro
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Jeff Turner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:05:24AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...
More than anything else, the fact that two different codebases were *released*
with the same name at the same time, pissed many people off (myself included)
and created a
Just for reference - I'm somewhat surprised at the flack handed out to
Jason. He and the other Maven committers are doing an out-and-out
brilliant job of bringing together the next generation. My feeling is
that these guys are being squeezed unnecessarily - but don't ask me
why because I don't kn
David N. Welton wrote:
Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have
actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. --
justin
Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the
GPL is clever, an
Andrew Savory wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 14 May 2003, Stephen McConnell wrote:
1. open-source is free and that is a problem for department managers
because this means they loose budget
Fair comment up to a point - but there are vendors of open source software
out there, so there are ways around
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 18/09/2003 11:55:43 PM:
What can be done to fix this? Many thanks in advance,
There's no coverage on some of the top level projects you mention, e.g. no
sessions on Ant, Avalon, James & Maven.
Dion - I think we are going to
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Dion - I think we are going to have to get a suite and shift you
up to marketing!
Is Dion staying that long? Cool. I just knew that he'd be rooming with us
at the Software Summit conference at the end of October.
So I think you should double your budget ...
this guy
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Ahhh. Now, there are no *ASF members* in Japan (Maybe, this goes for
other Asian countries), so the things can be easily inconsistent.
There are other ASF Committers in Japan. Lief Mortenson, for example, the
author of the Java Wrapper and frequent Avalon contributor.
Joshua Slive wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too pic
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
I very much enjoyed the hard work that Tetsuya put into the newsletter
and I'm very sad to see him step down because of such puny reasons as to
which mailing list this newsletter should be sent.
Me too on both points.
Steve.
--
Stephen J. McConnell
mailto:[EMAIL PROTE
Greg Stein wrote:
That is it for today. For discussion about the above items, please follow
up on the community@apache.org mailing list. And as always, if you have
any questions, comments, or other concerns which you wish to share
privately, then please don't hesitate to contact myself or any other
ED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
>
> On Thursday 23 September 2004 15:53, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > We have significant reservations around including Stephen McConnell
> > on any PMC at the ASF. For the forseeable future, I do not see
> -Original Message-
> From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> As a non-member of the Avalon community, I've noticed that a rift
opened
> up there from far, far away.
>
> But as my primary project in the Jakarta Community (Turbine) considers
> moving closer to Avalon, I'
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You make it sound as if the Board was off on a lark, when the fact is
that
> the situation has all too often discussed in many circles, and the
Board
> has been fairly closely monitoring the project for more than two
et the cat!
Cheers, Steve.
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 September 2004 21:58
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
> > Sure - we talked o
Ken:
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 27 September 2004 00:02
>
> you really don't seem to understand. *stephen* wasn't on the
distribution
> list, and yet you checked with him. had he been informed before you
did
> so? and you also
> [resending, with modifications, due to screwed up cc list the first
time]
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >
> > I find this discussion and the usage of terms such as "severe lack
of
> > respect" to be out of place and largely disproportionate with the
real
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 September 2004 13:17
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Style of community building
> ... how are lessons to
> be learnt is not from examining past situations and their resolutions?
Have a
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 October 2004 01:28
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
>
> David Crossley wrote:
> > on what list can all committers discuss issues
> > without fear of spilling the
> -Original Message-
> From: David Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 October 2004 03:07
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: private mailing list for committers (Was: Apache
> CommunityWorldwide -- again)
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> > Noel
> -Original Message-
> From: Sander Temme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 October 2004 05:27
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: private mailing list for committers (Was: Apache
> CommunityWorldwide -- again)
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2004, at 7:22
> -Original Message-
> From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> And on behalf of the developers at Avalon, I would like to Thank ALL
the
> past Chairs and members of the Avalon PMC, for a all-in-all a job well
> done.
I'm sorry - but you will have to exclude myself from the abo
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 23:11
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> > the only ones who really got hurt were the Avalon users, and the ASF
> > establishment have already declared that they
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 17 December 2004 03:09
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
> > When you say "and the two container factions that
> -Original Message-
> From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 21:01
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Smoke and Mirrors - isn't there a passage in the New Testament
> > with something about si
> -Original Message-
> From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I can somewhat understand though not empathize with
> wanting to have history reflect what you see as having happened.
Maybe this about making Apache a better place by identifying hypocrisy
here out in the open in
> -Original Message-
> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 17 December 2004 08:42
> To: community@apache.org
> Cc: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> At 08:30 PM 12/16/2004, Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
> &
> -Original Message-
> From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 04:29
> To: community@apache.org; Noel J. Bergman
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:54, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > > I give you an
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 05:10
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:41, Noel J. B
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 05:30
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> > "consensus by attrition" is a negatively loaded term, yet a natural
> > occurring thing in all projects
>
> Not when
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 20 December 2004 22:16
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 05:30
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
> > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> > > Stephen McConn
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 14:32
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 20:13
> To: community@apache.org
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:02 PM, Stephen McConnell wrot
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 20:22
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 20:22
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 21:55
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >
> >
> -Original Message-
> From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 December 2004 21:59
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ??
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > > On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02,
> -Original Message-
> From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 December 2004 01:21
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ??
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
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