Re: [Computer-go] Welcome to Download the "computer go dataset" (160K 9D vs 9D SGFs)

D vs 9D" dataset (50,956 games). > > https://github.com/yenw/computer-go-dataset <https://github.com/yenw> > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > h

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

since the Nature version. Yamato ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

Yes, it is AlphaGo. I am relieved that DeepMind clarified this. Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of developing AlphaGo-like bots. I hope Aja can comment here, also about GodMoves :) Yamato

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

name AlphaGo. So probably Aja cannot answer this, because he does not lie. By the way, I found this tweet interesting :) https://twitter.com/ScienceNews/status/814559161312808965 Yamato ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Congratulations Aja. Do you have a plan to run AlphaGo on KGS? It must be a 9d! Yamato ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

to desktop machines with thousands of cores in a few years... What is your 23 core hardware? How much is it? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Rank on servers at 9x9

for high-dan level players. 7.0 komi would give better results. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] about commercial Zen

xiefan wrote: could anyone help give me a link in English to buy the commercial version of Zen? Now I could only find some websites in Japanese, however, I could not read Japanese The commercial version of Zen is not yet available for overseas people. Thanks for your patience. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Progressive widening vs unpruning

complex schemes. But I don't think I implement Rave like others do either. Your implementation must be very different from mine. Actually I don't use Progressive widening (or unpruning) at all. It's a mystery to me why others say it does work. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] is Zen gone commercial?

= Zenith) It will be available on the Internet in the near future. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] is Zen gone commercial?

is equivalent to ZenLv6, weak KGS 1d. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Generalizing RAVE

RAVE is a very efficient algorithm, it strongly limits scalability of the program. It typically makes a fatal mistake in the position that the order of moves are important. We definitely need to improve RAVE, but it is a very tough job. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] string criticality?

criticality seems a nice idea, but how should it be implemented? Just giving high priority to the liberties does not work, because that cannot be distinguished from the simple dame-filling. Can you suggest a concrete formula? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

is not a solution for the handicap problem. Did anyone succeed with it? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] O-Meien vs Zen

seconds per move. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] O-Meien vs Zen

Isaac Deutsch wrote: Did you think the bot would not benefit much from additional time usage? I'm not sure. The fast time setting was the wish of the sponsor. The games were played on the real board and they didn't want to take a much time. -- Yamato

[computer-go] O Meien 9p vs Zen

. Have fun. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Re: O Meien 9p vs Zen

Ingo Althöfer wrote: Yamato San wrote: The match of O Meien 9p vs Zen will be held on next Monday via KGS. Schedule (JST) Date: August 10 Time: 14:10 Handicap 9x9: Zen is black, with 0.5 or 3.5 komi (?) 19x19: Zen is black, with 7 handicap stones. Thanks for the information. * How

Re: [computer-go] Re: Mirror Go against Zen

they don't exist too. I have done some experiments. Zen won 30/100 games against a mechanical mirror-go program without any anti-mirror code. The 2 continuous losses were not unlikely, but I think there is no proof that Zen was far weaker against mirror-go than other programs. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Two questions to Yamato-san

you waiting. Unfortunately the project is still in the planning stage. I cannot say when or how much it will be. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

.) -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Re: Cross-Question on Pamplona

Ingo Althöfer wrote: Congratulations to Zen author also from me! Thanks for your all wishes. As far as I know, Yamato is only a nickname and not the true name of Zen's author. If this is the case, when will the identity of Zen's author be revealed? Did (or do) the organizers of the Pamplona

Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo Simulation Balancing

was. I am not sure how it works, but anyway I can see your algorithm now. Thanks. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo Simulation Balancing

value of the pattern, weighted by the probability of selecting each action). I still don't understand this. Is it the formula 6? Could you please give me an example like the above? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http

Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo Simulation Balancing

give us the source code which you used? Your algorithm is too complicated, so it would be very helpful if possible. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo Simulation Balancing

with no tree on small boards. I like you idea, but why do you use only 5x5 and 6x6 Go? I don't think the 200+ Elo improvement is so impressive because the previous approaches were not optimized for such a small boards. I'm looking forward to your results on larger boards. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] April 2009 KGS tournament

Ingo Althöfer wrote: Other question: Might it be possible to find a volunteer for operating Zen19 in Pamplona? I forgot to say it here - Mr. Kato came forward as an operator of Zen. It will play via KGS. Have a good game, all. -- Yamato ___ computer-go

Re: [computer-go] The Zen Program

mine. If you don't use minorization-maximization yet, I recommend studying it. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] The Zen Program

have no specific plans. I don't have plans about a massively parallel version either. Unfortunately I cannot participate in the Olympiad. For KGS, I can. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman

Re: [computer-go] The Zen program

of the KGS rule. I think I have fixed the problem now. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] The Zen program

Rémi Coulom wrote: Martin Mueller wrote: Zen has been getting very impressive results on CGOS. Yamato-san, could you tell us a little bit about yourself and your program? Thanks Martin Yes, very strong results. Congratulations to Yamato-san for beating Crazy Stone. I am curious

Re: [computer-go] MC and Japanese rules

is pass, otherwise he loses. That's not entirely correct. White loses no matter what he does, whether it's a pass or anything else. I meant that for when Black plays wrong move. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http

Re: [computer-go] MC and Japanese rules

. This position is win for black in Japanese rules, but the only correct move is pass. If black plays anywhere other than pass, he loses. This time white's correct move is pass, otherwise he loses. Such a condition breaks winning rate values in the tree. How should I handle this? -- Yamato jpn.sgf

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

I ran 86 19x19 games with both on the same hardware (single core of A64 X2 6000+, 2G RAM) with 20 minutes S.D. each, the rate is MoGo win 83.3% (+-4.1). How did you set the time to 20 minutes S.D.? MoGo doesn't update the clock if you don't send time_left, and Fuego does. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 go Principle Variation with perfect play

) E3: 918/ 1742 (52% win) C6: 863/ 1707 (50% win) C5: 779/ 1418 (54% win) It seems the best move is D6 or D7. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Bug in the Reivax

Magnus Persson wrote: The program reivax on 9x9 CGOS seems to be strong but suffer from a bug leading it to pass too early, and thus it often loses games against weaker programs that do not resign. Who is the author of Reivax? It's like a CGOS deflator. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Test position set for MC programs

David Fotland wrote: I didn’t see this: 148: D1 also wins? You are right. Thanks for correction. Many Faces played D1, so change it to 38 correct. Did you use the fixed version? I corrected #148 as follows. Is it still wrong? loadsgf sgf/mc148.sgf 148 reg_genmove black #? [B1|D1] -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Test position set for MC programs

Go could run on the MC only mode, it might be more interesting, I guess. Gunnar Farnebäck wrote: One more correction. The fixed version added B1 as a correct move in 113, but that point is occupied. My mistake. There will be no effect on the results, anyway. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Test position set for MC programs

= win). Do you mean you found some problems are wrong? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Test position set for MC programs

. Yes, but will not win with komi 7.5. 143: I don't see how A3 could win the semeai. A2 and C4 look more effective. Typo, it was A2. C4 cannot work. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman

Re: [computer-go] New UCT-RAVE formula (was Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8)

. In a way this is somewhat circular: we use the best estimate so far to compute the best new estimate. But I don't think that is unreasonable in this case. Thanks for the detailed explanation. The formula became clear to me. -- Yamato ___ computer-go

Re: [computer-go] New UCT-RAVE formula (was Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8)

, can anyone write the pseudo-code of this algorithm? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] New UCT-RAVE formula (was Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8)

) / 20 I think it is a little better than the one on the ICML paper. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

it is CGOS deflation. The evidence is: ControlBoy 1546 8/8 100.00 - Zen-0.9 ControlBoy 1460 5/5 100.00 - Zen-1.0 -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] How to design the stronger playout policy?

or more playouts per move are needed to judge whether a change is good or bad. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] How to design the stronger playout policy?

the play-outs. I fully agree. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

[computer-go] How to design the stronger playout policy?

-Terry Model. greenpeep uses similar patterns extracted from the offline self-play. Then I have tested a lot of change of probability distributions, but it was very hard to improve the strength. Any comments? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] greenpeep

for captures/saves and local moves): 84% Thanks for interesting results. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

[computer-go] greenpeep

with MoGo-style one? (the winning rate against GNU Go, etc) Also, how large and how many are your patterns? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] RAVE in MoGo paper

time to find it. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Update of MoGo binary release, and windows version available!

Yes you can: --nbTotalSimulations 3000 Once you set this option it ignores all other time settings. Thanks! It works perfectly. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Binary release of MoGo

Have you tried Visual C++? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa975050.aspx The thing is that VC++ does not have the pthread library. This library might be help. http://sources.redhat.com/pthreads-win32/ # I have not used it, though -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Binary release of MoGo

as possible. Have you tried Visual C++? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa975050.aspx -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Re: Explanation to MoGo paper wanted.

MonteGNU is published, it will be an alternative of GNU Go. Of course MC vs MC may have some problems, but at least it is stronger than GNU Go on 9x9. And, if the way to combine UCT and the local tactical search is discovered, the regression test like GNU Go will be also useful. -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] Re: Explanation to MoGo paper wanted.

correctly, so pruning such moves decrease the winning rate. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Explanation to MoGo paper wanted.

moves in the playouts do not always improve the performance of UCT. What do you think about this claim? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Explanation to MoGo paper wanted.

is this inappropriate notation still used? I agree that the pseudo-code is easy to understand. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Explanation to MoGo paper wanted.

for the translation. The only point I am still missing: What is RAVE(AMAF)? RAVE is another name of AMAF(all moves as first) heuristic. The details of AMAF are explained in this paper. http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/articles/acg10-mcgo.pdf -- Yamato

Re: [computer-go] MoGo paper at ICML

round? All experiments (except the default policy) were played against GnuGo level 10, not level 8. That's surprising news to me... -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] MoGo paper at ICML

it does not change really the level of gnugo. Because I have tested my program against GNU Go level 8 to compare the winning rate with MoGo. Now I see surely there is almost no change. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] MoGo paper at ICML

another question; Don't you use Q_RLGO anymore? If so, would you explain the detail of the Q_MoGo heuristic? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] MoGo paper at ICML

for that. These values were more extreme than my expectation. I thought you use values like 0.4 or 0.6. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Re: Amsterdam 2007 paper

been run. How did you determine these numbers? Thanks -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Grid Cosmos

inform me! If you want, I recommend Download.com. But I would rather you put it on CGOS or KGS. -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/