[computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Darren Cook
I was reading a report on the UEC Cup [1] on a (Japanese) blog, and if I understood correctly the results were: 1. Crazy stone 2. Fudogo (?) (Hideki Kato's program) 3. Many Faces 4. Katsunari (Mogo had time trouble and pulled out?) Crazy stone then played against Kaori Aoba, 4p, at a

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Rémi Coulom
Darren Cook wrote: I was reading a report on the UEC Cup [1] on a (Japanese) blog, and if I understood correctly the results were: 1. Crazy stone 2. Fudogo (?) (Hideki Kato's program) 3. Many Faces 4. Katsunari (Mogo had time trouble and pulled out?) Crazy stone then played against

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Hideki Kato
Rémi Coulom: 49461936.2080...@univ-lille3.fr: Darren Cook wrote: I was reading a report on the UEC Cup [1] on a (Japanese) blog, and if I understood correctly the results were: 1. Crazy stone 2. Fudogo (?) (Hideki Kato's program) 3. Many Faces 4. Katsunari 1. Crazy Stone 2. Fudo Go

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Mark Boon
My understanding of the PlayStation is that it's a Cell architecture, with one main CPU and six auxilary processing units with limited capability. Of course you don't need much for something to do MC playouts, so it seems a very suitable architecture. So 8 PS3s gives a total of 56 CPU's.

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Darren Cook
Advertisement: Fudo Go used a desktop pc (Intel Q9550) and _eight_ Playstation 3 consoles on a private Gigabit Ethernet LAN. Hello Kato-sensei, Are you able to use all 8 cores of the playstation? So, with the 4 of the Q9550, 68 cores altogether? Do you, or your students, have any papers on the

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Hideki Kato
Rémi Coulom: 49461936.2080...@univ-lille3.fr: Darren Cook wrote: I was reading a report on the UEC Cup [1] on a (Japanese) blog, and if I understood correctly the results were: 1. Crazy stone 2. Fudogo (?) (Hideki Kato's program) 3. Many Faces 4. Katsunari (Mogo had time trouble

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 09:18 -0200, Mark Boon wrote: My understanding of the PlayStation is that it's a Cell architecture, with one main CPU and six auxilary processing units with limited capability. Of course you don't need much for something to do MC playouts, so it seems a very

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Hideki Kato
Darren Cook: 49463016.1020...@dcook.org: Advertisement: Fudo Go used a desktop pc (Intel Q9550) and _eight_ Playstation 3 consoles on a private Gigabit Ethernet LAN. Hello Kato-sensei, Hello Darren, BTW, I'm not a sensei (Professor) but just a doctor course student of 55 years old :). Are

Re: [computer-go] I will build a site for the Reference Bots, Specs, and hard data concerning them.

2008-12-15 Thread Wolf Stephan Kappesser
Hi, do you know? http://ricoh51.free.fr/go/engineeng.htm Whats about a wiki? You know sensei lib and friends? Greets WSK - Original Message - From: Denis fidaali To: computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [computer-go] I will build a

[computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread terry mcintyre
Well, Amen! As Don Dailey said, researchers probably would have concluded that MC was not worth doing, if they had been using the computers of ten or fifteen years back. Looking forward, computer power equivalent to that rig lashed together with 8 PS3s or GPUs or FPGAs, or some combination

RE: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread dave.devos
I was in Japan for a year in 1990. I was 1k - 1d EGF at that time and i was 4d in Japan. I think the grade difference between EGF and Japan is more like 3 grades than 2 grades. I also participated in a Japan-Netherlands friendship match by the Japanese Embassy in Holland. We played against

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Go Fast
Kato, have you compared the speed of the simulations on PS3 SPE to the speed of the simulations on PC, given that the program is optimized for the cpu on both sides. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Hideki Kato hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp wrote: Darren Cook: 49463016.1020...@dcook.org:

[computer-go] Fw: IEEE Spectrum Online: How We Found the Missing Memristor

2008-12-15 Thread terry mcintyre
This could be the future of computer Go: fast, dense, nonvolatile RAM; fast and dense FPGAs, and direct models of neurons as memristor devices. - Forwarded Message Most Read Content Top 3 most read articles: * How We Found the Missing Memristor * Slideshow: Meet

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Mark Boon
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Don Dailey drdai...@cox.net wrote: So I think we have to embrace the fact that hardware is a part of these kinds of advancements. In fact I have always believe this anyway, the whole idea behind computing is to perform simple and stupid operations very

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread terry mcintyre
From: Mark Boon tesujisoftw...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Don Dailey wrote: So I think we have to embrace the fact that hardware is a part of these kinds of advancements. In fact I have always believe this anyway, the whole idea behind computing is to perform simple

Re: [computer-go] RefBot (thought-) experiments

2008-12-15 Thread Weston Markham
Hi. This is a continuation of a month-old conversation about the possibility that the quality of AMAF Monte Carlo can degrade, as the number of simulations increases: Me: running 10k playouts can be significantly worse than running 5k playouts. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Don Dailey

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:22 -0800, terry mcintyre wrote: In my experience with IT systems administration, people do tend to let the hardware do the heavy lifting when algorithmic improvements could double and quadruple the performance. We don't know much about the space of useful algorithms;

Re: [computer-go] RefBot (thought-) experiments

2008-12-15 Thread Don Dailey
Is Jrefgo the pure version that does not use tricks like the futures map? If you use things like that, all bets are off - I can't be sure this is not negatively scalable. You cannot draw any reasonable conclusions by stopping after 10 moves and letting gnugo judge the game either.Why didn't

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread terry mcintyre
From: Don Dailey drdai...@cox.net On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:22 -0800, terry mcintyre wrote: In my experience with IT systems administration, people do tend to let the hardware do the heavy lifting when algorithmic improvements could double and quadruple the performance. We don't know much

Re: [computer-go] RefBot (thought-) experiments

2008-12-15 Thread Mark Boon
Weston, Although those result sound intriguing, it also looks like a convoluted experiment. I wouldn't call gnu-go an expert judge, although it is an impartial one. The fact that it says that the 5K ref-bot is ahead after 10 moves 46% of the time alone makes it suspect in my eyes. But it is

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Darren Cook
big numbers even with the 3 grades correction. Also, a 4p is not a 7p. The difference should be about one stone. 4p is equivalent to 8d EGF. So i would say winning with seven stones against a 4p suggests that Crazy stone is about 1d - 2d. This is similar to the result achieved by Mogo.

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:51 -0800, terry mcintyre wrote: From: Don Dailey drdai...@cox.net On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 14:22 -0800, terry mcintyre wrote: In my experience with IT systems administration, people do tend to let the hardware do the heavy lifting when algorithmic improvements

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Hideki Kato
Go Fast: d71be7350812150948v45d23e4bn8b4cdd7670839...@mail.gmail.com: Kato, have you compared the speed of the simulations on PS3 SPE to the speed of the simulations on PC, given that the program is optimized for the cpu on both sides. I've published the comparison in A Study on Implementing

Re: [computer-go] UEC cup

2008-12-15 Thread Hideki Kato
Hideki Kato: 494641e9.9402%hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp: snip My last paper on parallel MCTS has no description about the implementation for Cell BE. I'll submit longer paper in this month but if you want to know the detail of my implementation now, you can have the source code of