There are plenty of W7 drivers- including NVidia.
My machine is running just fine- the upgrade took less than 1.5 hours-mostly
because MS kept telling me what programs might not work (the same one it told
me would not work with Vista- which I did have to modify). It took more than 6
hours to
1) You don't want Win7 right now. It will be a year or two before M$
works out the defects. Meanwhile you will you will be using XP, a
version that has been worked on long enough to have fixed many of the
worse defects.
I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from Lost in
I've been running the Beta for Win7 for a couple of weeks on a four year old
machine (HP Pavillion a720n- Athalon XP 2.2ghz). XP was due for a reinstall
so I thought that I would play around with Win7.
It runs OK except when iTunes gets going but that was how iTunes ran in XP
on that machine.
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote:
I do wonder if this is going to wake the forces of Anti-trust again. I
expect the EU to go after them for and who knows about the current US
administration.
Seriously? This is pretty meaningless stuff in the end,
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A. wrote:
I know the logic about clean installs- but it would take more than
20 hours for me to reinstall my programs (and that assumes I can
still find the install disks- and NOT have to install an older
version followed by the
On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
I can hear Tom now at home now, whimpering like Dr. Smith from
Lost in
Space, Oh, Will, the pain, the pain. I simply can't bear to try
it
Correction, if you are a computer hobbyist in need to massive
entertainment then by all means go
On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:53 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
Bonjour is a component of iTunes. ,Net isn't a component of Firefox.
Good point. This is the discovery mechanism that iTunes uses to share
music on the subnet.
If the iTunes installer starting dropping patches into other
applications
On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:53 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
It's the EU they take this portion of law enforcement seriously. They
already told MS not to do similar things. Yeah it should get some
attention
at least a phone call.
I think the new administration will bring a return to law and order.
Tom, Tom, Tom---
For those of us who work - with real things- we do employ Windows.
Financial, Science, and Engineering (ok, the first doesn't make anything
either)- rely on Windows Apps.
You are welcome to use your Mac, I am more than proficient at completing
multiple assignments using my base.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Yes there is.
Please tell us. This would be very useful for many of us (even me!).
*
** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy **
**
Laplink PC Mover
I have used it successfully to move PC's from one machine to another
with a clean install and the former install.
I t does want two machines though, but it works great, only draw back
is it is a once use program.
Must buy a separate license each tome you move it.
I have
Bonjour is a component of iTunes. ,Net isn't a component of Firefox.
That's some mighty fine hair splitting.
Bonjour is not a component of Windows. .Net is.
*
** List info, subscription management, list rules,
Bonjour is not a component of iTunes, it is used by iTunes and by many other
programs.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:53 AM, John Duncan Yoyo
johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote:
Bonjour is a component of iTunes. ,Net isn't a component of Firefox.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
For those of us who work - with real things- we do employ Windows.
Financial, Science, and Engineering (ok, the first doesn't make
anything
either)- rely on Windows Apps.
I also tell Mac folks to not adopt new versions too
Good point. This is the discovery mechanism that iTunes uses to share music
on the subnet.
Except that I have no need for this and Apple thinks it below them to
even deign to ask the lowly user if they don't want to install
Bonjour.
If the iTunes installer starting dropping patches into other
It's the EU they take this portion of law enforcement seriously. They
already told MS not to do similar things. Yeah it should get some attention
at least a phone call.
Ring!
MS: Hello?
DOJ: We hear that you installed a .Net component into Firefox and made
it impossible for the user to
They will bring in their own version of law and order would be a better way
to say it. To keep it in tech, Obama is (again) about to break another
campaign promise and bring in an ex lobbyist and google exec into the admin,
to be the new deputy CTO. Some reports say he is leaving google for the
On Jun 8, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a
non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box.
This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in
beta. You have no way to know that it is true. Spouting
Have used that for XP to XP and XP to Vista.
Have also used the Windows Migration successfully (XP to Vista and XP to XP.
Works for files and settings- NOT computer programs. Works best over IP.)
There are five other programs of which I am aware- this one is the fastest
(but NOT the cheapest).
On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Except that I have no need for this and Apple thinks it below them to
even deign to ask the lowly user if they don't want to install
Bonjour.
You are not installing Bonjour. You are installing iTunes. To do that
you had to download iTunes and
Your statement (security) may only be true because it is new and no one has
built attacks against it yet.
Eschew Obfuscation
This is a reply from:
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
-Truncated Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
How about just notifying us of seperate components that have nothing to do
with itunes being installed? I realize to you Apple doing this is A-ok
double plus whatever you say, but some of us don't like it apple or MS.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:56 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8,
You are not installing Bonjour. You are installing iTunes. To do that you
had to download iTunes and run the installer. In the process you read and
assented to lots of conditions. Nobody is forcing you to use iTunes. There
are lots of alternatives.
Ah, how very lawyerly of you Thomas. Didn't
This is just advertising for a operating system that is still in beta. You
have no way to know that it is true. Spouting such marketing blather reduces
your credibility to zero.
O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than
Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure
Your statement (security) may only be true because it is new and no one has
built attacks against it yet.
Not so. Not running with admin rights by default, as you do with XP,
is much more secure, period. YMMV.
With Vista and 7, you run with reduced rights until you need to
perform an action
I get it. I is sort of like robbing a bank because you are short on cash and
then giving the money back after you have a job. Happens all the time.
Rght.
Or, like a major OS update from Apple that (twice!) deletes entire
hard drives, which requires a later update so it doesn't and in the
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Agreed, except that unless you have set yourself up to run as a
non-admin, Win7 is far more secure than XP out of the box.
This is just advertising for a operating system that is
Given what security features that are switched on in Vista/Win7 when first
installed that were off by design in XP it isn't that high a hurdle to
jump.
Even so, this doesn't detract from the validity of the statement.
Vista/7 are far more secure than XP in a default installation, what
the
Early news - just items I thought interesting:
Upgraded, faster MacBook Pro models - with prices cut $300 (each model)
Upgraded MBA $1500/1800, Upgraded 13 MB (backlit keybd, FW 800) - but
no price change
Each MB/MBP meets energy star 5, EPEAT Gold (now at AppleStore)
Upgrade from Leopard (OS X
Okay, so it is buzzword compliant. But how does it work in the real
world? You don't know and I don't know. All I have to go on is the
company's past track record of broken promises about security. All
you have to go on is a list of buzzwords from their PR department and
some limited
On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than
Vista 2nd Ed. and Vista is many times more secure out of the box than
XP.
We do not define security by comparing said new version to XP. That
is setting the bar much too low.
Snow Leopard vs Leopard looks to be more of an SE type of upgrade,
much like Win7 vs. Vista.
Accordingly Apple will charge $29 for the upgrade. How many zeros
will we need to add to that to get M$'s Win7 price?
*
**
Then we'll compare it to OS X...oh wait...that was taken out in seconds at
the last pwn to own contest...
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
O Rlly? You and others keep telling us how 7 is little more than
Vista 2nd
Limited personal testing for months...proves you know a lot less then me.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Okay, so it is buzzword compliant. But how does it work in the real world?
You don't know and I don't know. All I have to go on is the company's past
track
And people wonder why you aren't on the radio anymore. Only you could link
a software glitch to being in favor of child molesting. You need serious
help...get some.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:03 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Here, let me put
Tom;
That was seriously uncalled for and wholly inappropriate. Such an
accusation is entirely non-trivial and inexcusable. You owe this list
an apology.
Matthew
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:03 PM, t.piwowar wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Here, let me put it in a way
Rev. Stewart Marshall
Most vista drivers are supposed to work out of the box. So
far I only found one that did not, and it was HP which is
notoriously slow in releasing updates.
A friend of mine at work ended up buying another XP system when
the scanner vendor wouldn't supply Vista drivers
Nah, he's called other people thieves for no reason...others
gaybashers...have to expect this. This is the real Tom.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Matthew S. Taylor
taylorsmatt...@gmail.comwrote:
Tom;
That was seriously uncalled for and wholly inappropriate. Such an
accusation is
Let me put it another way. What makes this wrong is the same reasoning that
bans convicted child molesters from areas around schools and playgrounds.
They can't be trusted.
But yet, you'll continue to trust another company which has such
shitty QA *on their own OS on their own hardware*, that
In all seriousness, I thought it was pretty damn funny.
Lighten up guys.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Matthew S.
Taylortaylorsmatt...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom;
That was seriously uncalled for and wholly inappropriate. Such an
accusation is entirely non-trivial and inexcusable. You owe this
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM
(IS)mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote:
Early news - just items I thought interesting:
Upgraded, faster MacBook Pro models - with prices cut $300 (each model)
On behalf of all the WFB's, you're welcome.
I'm light and airy..like a butterfly on the...oh damn he died in that scene.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote:
In all seriousness, I thought it was pretty damn funny.
Lighten up guys.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Matthew S.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Apple makes money on two different components. Hardware and Software.
They sell their OS for a smaller amount as they make more money (I
have never seen a comparison but I bet it is provable) on their
hardware. (I was told by an
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
But yet, you'll continue to trust another company which has such
shitty QA *on their own OS on their own hardware*, that you have to
skip iterative releases and major upgrades for fear of major snafus.
I see things as they are. WFBs can't get
You KNOW it runs faster? How long have you been running it?
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Apple makes money on two different components. Hardware and Software.
They sell their OS for a smaller amount
They'll give you that version for free since you qualify.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Accordingly Apple will charge $29 for the upgrade. How many zeros will we
need to add to that to get M$'s Win7 price?
Never been involved in retail marketing have you? Anything a company
does is considered a revenue stream.
Some companies make money on the front some make it on the back some
make it every step of the way.
I use Quick Verse as one of my Bible programs to look up Bible verses
etc. There is
Rev. Stewart Marshall
Never been involved in retail marketing have you? Anything
a company does is considered a revenue stream.
Some companies make money on the front some make it on the
back some make it every step of the way.
marketing stuff snipped
OSX has come out with how many
Totally bogus. Selling an OS upgrade that runs much faster than the
previous OS does not generate hardware sales.
Whoa. Dude.
I say something about Win7, which I have actually used, and which millions
of others are using every day, and I get this (just two hours ago):
All you have to go on is
On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
You, on the other hand, are allowed to make a definitive statement
about
Snow Leopard based on what? Apple PR and a couple YouTube videos?
You completely miss the point. Why an I not surprised?
The only definitive statement I made was $29.
(I'm a little confused now - there was Windows 3.0, Win98,
Windows NT, etc.)
The past 10 years, not 15-20 years.
Apple also comes out with Service Packs, MS does theirs on a
monthly basis with the occasional Oh! Crap! tossed in for
good measure. Apple's patches aren't as frequent but they
I was talking just over the past 10 years.
3, 3,1 3.11(WFW) were all versions of Windows that was run on top of DOS.
95, 98, 98se and Millennium were all versions of Windows stand alone
products. (You did not need to install DOS as it was a part of and
integral to these Windows versions.)
The only definitive statement I made was $29. The rest was just a
restatement of Apple's claim that the new version offers little more
than performance gains. Your twisting a statement that the upgrade
offers little into something else just makes you look foolish.
You think that no one can
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote:
Good point. This is the discovery mechanism that iTunes uses to share
music
on the subnet.
Except that I have no need for this and Apple thinks it below them to
even deign to ask the lowly user if they don't want to
The only definitive statement I made was $29. The rest was just a
restatement of Apple's claim that the new version offers little more
than performance gains.
You think that no one can look at the quoted text where you definitively
state that Snow Leopard runs much faster? You don't
55 matches
Mail list logo
