[CGUYS] McAfee vs. MS Security Essentials

[Rich Schinnell]

Date:Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:44:43 -0400
From:Alvin Auerbach 

Which is best for Windows 7: Run McAfee, run MS Security essentials, 
or run both?

Thanks


After the bad press McAfee received last week when they put a critical
windows file in their jail, I would not recommend McAfee.

MS Security Essentials seems to be a pretty good AV. and the price
is right.  FREE

I personally run Vipre Premium on all my machines as they have an all
you can eat for home use for less than $50 a year.  It is an AV and
firewall program as well as a web browser filter.

No financial ties to me.  It just works with a small footprint.

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Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

[Rich Schinnell]

Date:Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:06:55 -0400
From:tjpa 

http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/49505-the-end-of-an-era-sony-officially-kills-floppy-disks

I recently tossed several 1,000s of them.



I still have a dual 5.25 and a 3.5 drive that supports 360/1.2/1.4 meg
diskettes.
Maybe I should keep it for nostalgia or when someone comes up to me
with some cherished data on an old 5.25  1.2meg floppy diskette that
they want to convert.

Ah, progress..

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[CGUYS] RRe: Twist in school spying scandal

[Rich Schinnell]

Time for you to reline your tinfoil hat.  :)






Date:Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:53:25 -0500
From:"phartz...@gmail.com" 
Subject: Re: Twist in school spying scandal

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Art Clemons  wrote:

> People can give up an awful lot of what
> appears to be a right in order to work, or even get usage of a computer.

  Is that what the digital age is bringing us?  As far as I can see,
we are all surrendering a lot more of our rights and freedoms as a
result of our digitally oriented lifestyles.

  I was just reading about digital "smart" electric meters that are
being installed all across the country.  These new meters collect
electric usage statistics on a moment-to-moment basis and store those
statistics.  These stats can be used to indicate what time people wake
up, when they go to bed, when they cook their meals or take baths or
leave for work and come home again.  The collected stats can be sold
by the electric utility companies to marketers, to be handed to
governmental agencies or to just about anyone who will pay for the
information that is gathered.  Such information can even be hacked
into for criminal purposes.  There are virtually no rules, laws or
guidelines to protect the privacy rights of persons who live where
these meters are used.

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[CGUYS] A conference for non-goys Funny Name

[Rich Schinnell]

I wonder if all of the people attending this forum are Jewish?

:)



http://briforum.com/index.html

Something like the iPad. 

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[CGUYS] Snow Removal and disposal.

[Rich Schinnell]

FWIW:

I still can't figure out why the local leaders are missing the best
place to dispose of all of the snow removed from streets.

There appears to be some sort of River running between VA/DC/MD that carries
a lot of liguid to the sea that might possibly accept all the snow that
is being dumped on a large parking lot in DC.

What did I miss on this low tech solution to a high tech problem??

Even though I heard that our snow was the Mullah's praying for it. :)


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Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

[Rich Schinnell]

All of this mac vs pc reminds me of what henry ford evidently said
at some time.

"You can have any car I make, any color you wish, as long as it is black"

Someone else also said.

"Mine is biggern  yours"

YMMV

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Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing

[Rich Schinnell]

Jeff, when I was growing up in Washington State, Indians could only buy
3.2 beer, no hard liquor and all liquor was available in a state liquor
store and you had to have a liquor card to buy.  Also, it was against the
law to pick up a beer/drink from the bar and walk to your table with
it. A waiter/waitress had to do that.  And it looks like they have
not progressed much.

Rich


At 08:36 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:32:24 -0800
From:Jeff Miles 

Speaking to the negative drug test result. I'm still on the 
side that cell phone or other similar electronic devices used while 
driving should be charged with the same harshness as DUI. If 
someone is killed due to the use, it should also be charged the 
same as killing while under the influence. I think they call it 
here in Washington State, vehicular manslaughter.
While I agree we can't regulate stupidity, we can regulate 
actions stemming from that stupidity.
However, I have to admit, the DUI laws in Washington state 
have gone totally wacky. We have instances of people charged with 
DUI while on bicycles. Others charged with DUI while asleep in 
their parked cars because they had their keys with them and were 
considered "in physical control of the vehicle", even though it was 
stopped, parked and off. I think Washington state is striving for a 
return of those blue laws, or where they called dry laws. I don't remember.

Jeff Miles
jmile...@charter.net



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Re: [CGUYS] new bank and a mint

[Rich Schinnell]

At 01:41 PM 1/6/2010, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:44:53 -0500
From:Chris Dunford 
Subject: Re: new bank and a mint

There was a significant problem not long ago, 
especially in major cities, with wait staff who 
had handheld card readers. They'd quietly swipe 
cards and sell the information. I don't know if this is
still a big problem--perhaps the buyers have 
mostly moved on to online hacking--but it 
certainly was a problem a few years ago.


Anyway, the main point is that there are those 
who won't use cards online because it's "unsafe" 
but will happily hand their cards over to some 
guy they don't know, probably with multiple body

piercings. That ain't safe either.


At BofA, I have their visa card and they offer
ShopSafe® is their free service for Online 
Banking customers that allows you to create a 
unique, temporary account number for online purchases.


You specify the max amount and the expiration date for the shopsafe card
and you print out a replica of the card with all the data necessary to
on-line shop with the safety of knowing that it can only be used to the max
you specify and one time and it expires..

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Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of 2.5" drives. . .

[Rich Schinnell]

At 11:58 PM 12/6/2009, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:20:41 -0500
From:Reid Katan 

My Toshiba is claimed to have a 60G SATA drive in it. Assuming so,
circa 2005 or so, can I put something like a 250G or more in there?
I'm guessing that the SATA spec allows for such things. Or would it be
more of a BIOS thing, and if so, how does one find what is supported?

TIA


Reid, I have successfully update my last 4 toshiba laptops with larger
hard disks.  I used acronis image backup to an external USB/E-Sata drive.
 Installed the drive in the same slot as the smaller old one and and 
then booted the cd that acronis created.  worked and I now had a much larger

C drive. Make sure that the bios is set to boot CD/DVD first..

The nice thing about Vista and W7 is the ability to shrink and grow the
volumes.

Rich 



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Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?

[Rich Schinnell]

At 08:37 PM 11/17/2009, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:01:00 -0500
From:tjpa 
Subject: Re: How do I renew my domain?

On Nov 17, 2009, at 6:02 AM, Rich Schinnell wrote:

Whois is a great place to start.
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp


But not a great place to end. NetSol tends to charge much higher rates
and doesn't offer services to match.


Tom, Whatever gave you the notion that I was recommending NetSol for his
site.  I gave him the url for the Whois where he could figure out the
information necessary for him to move or whatever he wanted to do with
his domain.

It is no wonder many people get disgusted with your negative comments.

I don't respond many times as I don't have the time to screw around with
negative people. I enjoy life too much to waste my time with negativity.

Additionally I presently receive this in a digest form but now I have 
to change it so that I can automatically put all the individual 
messages from tjpa and tomp and whatever email address you seem to be 
using at the moment in the junk folder and not have to worry about 
all the negativity.


Rich Schinnell


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[CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?

[Rich Schinnell]

Date:Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:24:45 -0200
From:Marcio 
Subject: How do I renew my domain?

Hi my friends
I hav a blogg: 
http://www.drmarciovasconcellospinheiro.com (in 
Brazilian Portuguese). I have bought this domain 
through Goggle, for the period of one year ending in Feb 7, 2010.


How do I make sure to renew the domain for 
another year? I can´t find my way going Google. 
Where do I go so that they don´t take me off?


Many thanks

Marcio



Whois is a great place to start.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp


Rich


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Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!

[Rich Schinnell]

At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa  wrote:

Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500
From:tjpa 
Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!!
 For example I would  not trust Apple.


Repeat after me:
For example I would  not trust Apple. For example I would  not trust 
Apple.For example I would  not trust Apple.For example I would  not 
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example I would  not trust Apple.For example I would  not trust 
Apple.For example I would  not trust Apple.For example I would  not 
trust Apple.For example I would  not trust Apple.For example I 
would  not trust Apple.



I can't believe what I am reading that.  What an epiphany or is it a 
revelation?


Now I can die in peace knowing that TJP actually said this, Or is 
this the Identity thief that jumped in here and wrote that?


Rich


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Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7

[Rich Schinnell]

I have installed Eudora 7 (paid) on Windows 7 without any problems.
Installing on my D drive in the D:\eudora directory and the attachments
in the D:\eudora\attach sub directory.  It is very configurable and
just works.

The main reason I installed it on my D drive is that has a lot more space
and the C drive is a SSD.

I have been using Eudora since the 80's when it first came out. 
believe my first version was something like 2.2 or so.


Whenever I get a new main computer, I always install Eudora in the 
same directory name and then don't execute the program, I copy the 
whole sub directory and below to the new computers Eudora directory 
and all is well.


Never a problem and I won't change until they pry the email from my 
cold dead fingers.  


Rich

PS: I support clients with Outlook as that is what pays for my toys..


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Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives

[Rich Schinnell]

Maybe I missed something but I have had flash drives with U3 
installed and there was a file on the drive that says REMOVE U3 (or 
uninstall).


I did it on most of them and it worked fine after answering that I 
was sure that I wanted to remove the applications that they had 
installed on the drive (Kinda like crapware)


YMMV
Rich


At 09:12 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote:

Date:Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:12:05 -0400
From:tjpa 
Subject: Re: Speaking of flash drives

On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:39 PM, John DeCarlo wrote:

Google U3 Removal.  There are ways to get that space back.


This is surprisingly hard to do. I have had some success with a
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Re: [CGUYS] Please Help! Scores (maybe hundreds) of emails have disappeared from my Outlook Express Inbox

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 10/29/2009, you wrote:


Date:Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:14:01 -0500
From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" 
Subject:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Score another one for Eudora.

Stewart


I have been using Eudora since ver 2. Paid of course.

I am using it on my Windows 7 machine and love it.
I still have messages from the early 1990's and can still search them.

bottom line
Score another one for Eudora.

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Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

[Rich Schinnell]

Eudora works fine on all versions of windows up thru Windows 7 ultimate.

I just re-install Eudora on the new machine in the same directory where
it was installed on the old one.  I use C:\eudora or D:\eudora and then
don't start it.  I then overwrite all the files in my eudora directory with
the old one and all of my messages and settings are fine.

Eudora has so many neat features that Outlook or the sucessor to Eudora
is supposed to have that I have resigned myself to not screw with what
works.

Rich



At 09:43 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote:

Date:Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:26:56 -0500
From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" 
Subject: Re: Eudora

HUH?

I have Eudora running non my Vista laptop.

It works fine so far.

Very good piece if software.
Qualcomm decided it can make more money suing Nokia and developing 
Cell phone stuff.


Stewart


Date:Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:27:03 -0700
From:Mike 
Subject: Re: Eudora


At 02:27 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote:

You aren't required to, but don't expect software created ten years
ago to run on brand new systems. If you want to keep using eudora you
better keep that old version of windows or mac handy.

Sent from my iPod



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Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

[Rich Schinnell]

Marcio, don't waste your time or money on "MailForge" which is 
"replacement for Eudora"  Not..

I have been using eudora since ver 2.3 and now at 7.1, all paid for.
MailForge is really really really rough around the edges.
It won't import your personalities or address book. Importing your existing
folders and mail files is not pretty.  They do have a 30 day trial version
but the paid version costs $39.95.
I don't think it is anywhere near ready for prime time.

But, then who am I but an old Fart who loves Eudora.
Rich


>On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Marcio  wrote:
>
>> Well, what is the "new" e-mail program that replaces it and is better?
>>
>> Marcio

At 04:58 PM 9/7/2009, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:58:11 -0300
From:Marcio 
Subject: Re: Eudora

Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that 
Eudore offers?


Marcio



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Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

[Rich Schinnell]

FYI:


Quoted from:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/08/yes_snow_leopard_includes_anti.php



Yes, Snow Leopard Includes Antivirus

Even a year or two ago, the inevitable responses on Mac lists to any 
mention of Mac malware were along the lines of:




Mac viruses can't happen and Trojans don't matter
Mac users are too smart to fall for social engineering
If they do, it's their own fault.
Go away and stop bothering me with this stuff.
Not listening. La-la-la-la-la...


I wonder if some of the CG users were quoted in this article?

Rich

PS: I still have my Reynolds Wrap hat on but I have changed it
for the non-stick variety.
:)


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[CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

[Rich Schinnell]

An interesting article in Info World.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/snow-leopard-just-cheap-windows-7-knockoff-798

Quoted from the first para..


"Where's the beef?" That's the idiom that jumps to mind as I work my 
way through Galen Gruman's 
"The 
7 best features in Mac OS X Snow Leopard." I knew the features list 
would be lean -- Apple has deliberately undersold Snow Leopard by 
pitching it as a relatively minor release -- but please! Gruman's 
article reads like a laundry list of borrowed features and 
derivative works. It's as if someone at Apple grabbed a copy of the 
Windows 7 beta and simply Xeroxed the release notes.


For example:

64-bitness: Yippee,! Apple finally goes 64-bit -- BFD! As a Windows 
user, I've been livin' la vida 64-bit for more than three years. 
Vista was the first mainstream desktop OS to deliver a viable 64-bit 
experience, and Windows 7 has taken this migration further by making 
it the preferred flavor for business users.



Maybe I will get banned for bringing this up.

I have my reynolds wrap hat on to deflect the AFB's barbs.

Rich

At 03:16 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:58:38 -0400
From:TPiwowar 
Subject: Mac Transition to 64-Bit

This explains a lot. Some things run in 32 bit, some in 64 bit. It
all depends.

http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/English/Programs/SMS/SMS.html

"There is a lot of confusion about the fact that Snow Leopard starts
by default with a 32-bit kernel even though nearly everything else is
64-bit (according to Apple all system applications except DVD Player,
Front Row, Grapher, and iTunes have been rewritten in 64-bit)."

"Snow Leopard is 64-bit for all users with a 64-bit CPU. The
applications are, the memory space is. The ONLY THING that doesn't
load into 64-bit - ON PURPOSE - is the kernel!"

"The problem is compatibility with third-party drivers. Some programs
are so deeply intertwined with the OS that they reach deeply into its
bowels and modify its core, the kernel - these drivers are called
kernel extensions (or kext)."

BTW, the new Mac OS ships this Friday.

M$'s Vista replacement is still way out there in the future.



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[CGUYS] HP Drivers Nuts & Time Machine Madness [Was: Ford! Chevy! Lather, rinse, repeat]

[Rich Schinnell]

Another view on HP scanners:

  I have a dr's office that has scanned over 56,000 patient 
records/files into .PDF's and their HP scanners, while not the cheap 
ones, have worked very well and produced quality scans. It has saved 
them considerable floor space for file cabinets.


Another law office scans their old client files into .pdf's and the 
HP scanner has worked fine for a long time.


But: they both have a dedicated workstation that does the scanning 
and the output goes to a network drive.


I have had zero problems with them..
YMMV
Rich



At 04:09 AM 8/8/2009, "t.piwowar"  wrote:

HP has a terrible track record when it comes to device drivers. I have
seen them include drivers that were years out of date and seen their
installers scramble both Macs and PCs. I have made a lot of money over
the years thanks to HP. General advice is to avoid HP unless you know
a lot about what you are doing. Every HP scanner that I have seen (and
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Re: [CGUYS] On line backup programs

[Rich Schinnell]

Rev..
I have 6 clients who use Mozy for backup, from 15gigs to 60gigs and 
each evening they are backed up.  It does take a bit of time 
initially but it has been very reasonable for their business.  They 
have an option to restore by providing you DVD's of  your data 
that  you pay something like $0.50 per gig to have them provide.


Your upload BPS rating is the choke point with all over the internet 
backup schemas..


I have had a couple of instances where someone in their office 
deleted all the files in their shared server directory and I was able 
to restore it in about 15 minutes.  I was home on my laptop. I used 
VNC via Hamachi to their server and selected the directory and told 
Mozy to restore it.  Worked and they were impressed.  All this while 
I was eating my lunch.


I had a client that used Carbonite but it was a TSR program on their 
computer which had problems and they gave it up.  Mozy runs as a 
process on their server and I can schedule when it backs up to the 
Mozy servers.


Just works and worth it to my clients.
They do have a free 2gig for home use..
www.mozy.com
I don't own stock..
Rich


At 06:28 PM 7/24/2009, you wrote:

Date:Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:12:30 -0500
From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" 
Subject: On line backup programs

I am looking at the online backup programs.

Which ones do you folks prefer Carbonite or  Mozy?

Carboinite is 55 a year and Mozy has a home unlimited but I do not 
think they would like my over 100GB work files done this way.  Their 
monthly amount is much higher than carbonite.


What experiences have you had with them?

Stewart

Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82



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Re: [CGUYS] Batch downloading of bank check images

[Rich Schinnell]

A word of caution:

In my column for December 2008, I wrote about the problems of 
electronic payments via computer.


Remember: If you are the computer person in your household and your
significant other is not a computer person, please write down all
your userids and passwords so that they can access what they need 
regarding your financial

matters on the Internet if you should become deceased.

Banks and other financial institutions will not allow them access to your
accounts if you end up deceased,  that has happened lots of times.

Banking by internet is very easy and many credit cards, banks and 
others would like to stop the paper statements as that will be very 
cheap for them.


But, if your SO can't access your accounts, it will take a lot of 
detective work and aggravation to pay the bills and such.


Something to think about..
Do it NOW!!
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Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones

[Rich Schinnell]

I can't believe my eyes, After all this time I actually agree
with 100% of what TP wrote. :)   Most of the time my BS filter
intercepts TP's rants but this time He is correct.  What the hell
is this world coming to.?

Rich


At 12:03 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:52:24 -0400
From:"t.piwowar" 
Subject: Re: Advertising for cell phones

Don't blame technology if the problem is bad management.

Note that in some cases, playing Solitaire can actually boost
productivity. People who are working hard can't effectively maintain
that pace all day long. Taking a break can be a good thing.

Looks to me like the real problem is that you should be working
someplace else. Your current work environment is not doing your
psyche any good.

On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

I do too, and that is why the use of technology as I have described
bugs me so much.  This person does not get their work done on time
because of routine abuse of her cell phone in a work environment.
What does that mean to me as a coworker?  It means that I get the
remainder of the job at the last damn minute and have to bust my ass
as a result as she kicks back on yet another phone call.  Will the
boss do anything?  Heck no, because the boss is out front playing
solitaire on the computer a goodly part of the day.  The more I read
and hear about how much computers and cell phones disrupt the
workplace, the more I believe it because I see it with my own eyes all
the time.



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Re: [CGUYS] silvery

[Rich Schinnell]

I am not paranoid, are you?


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Rich Schinnell]

FYI:

PRICES GOOD 06/26/09 - 06/28/09
How to get your Windows® 7 Upgrade Savings Coupon:
   1. Come to Micro Center between 6/26/09 - 
6/28/09 and ask an associate about the

   Windows® 7 Upgrade Coupon.
   2. Choose either Windows® 7 Home Premium Upgrade coupon or Professional
   Upgrade coupon.
   3. Name, address and email are required, but 
no purchase is necessary to receive

  the coupon.
   4. Return to Micro Center between 10/22/09 - 
11/4/09 with your Windows® 7 Upgrade

  coupon to purchase your upgrade.
*Micro Center exclusive offer expires 6/28/09. 
In-store purchase only. Limit one coupon per 
household. Limited quantities. While supplies 
last. Promotion may end at any time or hour. 
Offer valid on Windows® 7 Home Premium Upgrade or 
Professional Upgrade version only. General 
availability of Windows® 7 scheduled for 
10/22/09. California customers are required to 
sign up for Micro Center Rewards Program.
Get Windows® 7 FREE with the Purchase of an 
eligible 
PC!** 

With a purchase of a new Vista-based PC, you may 
be qualified for a copy of Windows® 7 at no cost. Windows® 7 Features:
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responsive, and to make the things you do every 
day easier. Find out which version of Windows® 7 is right for you:


PRICES GOOD 06/26/09 - 06/28/09

PS: I have been  using Windows 7 RC for a while 
and after  upgrading my Vista Ultimate (used for 
2 years on my toshiba), everything worked except 
my old version of winzip.  Otherwise it seems 
much faster. I installed a 80Gig Intel SSD in the 
laptop and that made it pretty damned fast..


YMMV
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[CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse

[Rich Schinnell]

At 08:07 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:40:38 -0400
From:"Gail.Miller" 

Thanks so much for all your good advice on what to do about my dead 
mouse. Having tried all the fixes, including Tom's suggestion for 
Ultimate Boot Disk to no avail, I decided to bite the bullet and 
reformat. I downloaded a backup program, Acronis, and put it on the 
machine this morning, then rebooted, in addordance with instructions 
and went to get more coffee. When I returned, lo and behold, there 
he was, his little belly glowing red like a beacon in the night. 
Praise the Lord; the mouse is reborn!



It's evident that you have a female mouse not a Male one.. 

Of course you know the difference, don't you?


rich 



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[CGUYS] "Yet one more reason why only fools run Windows."

[Rich Schinnell]

Date:Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:36:55 -0400
From:"t.piwowar" 

Yet one more reason why only fools run Windows.


Interesting thoughts make me wonder.

Of course Tom, you evidently do not have any windows computers
or you would be calling yourself a fool, which I am sure you
are too intelligent to do such a thing..

And, if you do, then I can only assume that any consulting income
that you earn supporting any of your clients who run windows, you
donate to a good worthy cause??

And of course you have notified all of your consulting clients that 
run windows in their business's,  that they are all fools.


Whether or not someone is a fool is really quite subjective as I know
consultants that run windows and make well over $100,000 a year.

I bought a Mac Mini when they first came out and it worked well, I finally
had to sell it because I had just too many computers. It was a nice computer
and I liked how it ran.  The only problem is that none of the small business's
that I have as clients had any interest in Upgrading to a Mac. None 
of their legal or accounting software (that they were used to) came 
in a Mac version.


Of course I might be a fool but being such, I have been quite 
successful and enjoyed many luxuries such as three brand new 
corvettes and a new car every two years. Own my house and taken many 
trips overseas (first class all the way) which were all paid for by 
me being a fool. Darn, I must be doing something wrong.


So: is this the definition of being a fool?
At my age (73) I guess I am too old to change. but what the hell.
:)


Guess so, I do appreciate you letting me know how wrong I was/am.

Rich Schinnell


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Re: [CGUYS] Shareware {WAS: Photo editing software]

[Rich Schinnell]

At 10:13 AM 5/11/2009, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 11 May 2009 09:39:45 -0400
From:"phartz...@gmail.com" 

  I have an image processing app that was a trial demo, and when it
opens it tells me that images saved will be watermarked.  However, I
have discovered that only the JPG saves get watermarked, not the TIFF
saves.  I use TIFF anyway for all editing, so I am still happily using
this trial version.  Am I a criminal because the developers overlooked
something?

  Steve



No you are not a criminal, just a free loader.

Just because the author overlooked something is no justification for
not following the primary purpose of shareware. Some people try the 
shareware and never use it again, which is exactly the reason for the trial.


But if you
use it on a continuing basis, I would think your conscious would get the
better of you. Especially if you knew the program was good enough to
continue using.

Exactly that reason is why many put the watermarks or delays in their 
programs to prod people into contributing. And some just never update 
their program because they don't get anything for it.  And some are 
not worth it but they die quite soon.


Rich


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$

[Rich Schinnell]

FWIW,

I installed Win 7 RC on a Intel dual core w 2 gigs ram and a nvidia
512 graphics card. 160gb new SATA drive  in less than 20 minutes to 
the final desktop.


YMMV
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Re: [CGUYS] What a pain... Sad.

[Rich Schinnell]

Marcio, If it is a dos program maybe the file is in some kind of 
format that can be exported or brought into some other newer 
program.  I see your using windows XP home edition.  You might want 
to try changing some of the options for the program to see if that 
helps.  I am assuming that it is DOS program?


Also, what size and file extension is the data file that it creates?

Just a few questions..  

BTW, I would think that $68.50 is pretty cheap if it works and does what
you want..

Rich


At 02:59 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:25:57 -0300
From:Marcio 
Subject: Re: What a pain... Sad.

Thanks to all of you. Yes, I have been using it for more than 10 
years. The problem is what program can I use instead of it? I am a 
psychiatrist and I have all my appointments in this program. It has 
served me quite well. Someone suggested Palm, the other said for me 
to "google what I want". I am not sure I want to pay 68.50 to have 
version 6.1 and no support.


Open to suggestions.

Many, many thanks!

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Re: [CGUYS] Office 2007

[Rich Schinnell]

check out:

http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/default.htm

they have a free trial for 15 days, support paypal and
it costs $29.95 for a single copy with quantity discounts.

Rich
I Know, I know, why spend more money to modify office 2007 but
either you get into the 21st century or you pay the money and
retreat to the older version style 


At 03:18 PM 3/24/2009, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:16:54 -0500
From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" 
That is part of my point.  I use Word almost everyday.
Some days it is simple edit print.  Other days it is a mail merge, 
envelope addressing.

Maybe another day laying out a form etc.

I know where to look when I want to do what I want to do.

When I went to Office 07 I immediately felt lost.  I did not know 
where to find some simple commands and key strokes I was used to 
doing. (I am not one who creates Macros)


I tweak line spacing, lay out etc.  If I have to spend my time 
looking up how to do all this it is a waste of my time.


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Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

[Rich Schinnell]

Me thinks that some here are peeing in the wind..


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Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

[Rich Schinnell]

At 07:13 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:59:18 -0500
From:Tom Piwowar 

>They will not access a files called  data12~1.xxx as the ~ mark won't
>seem to work in some of the programs, Basic can read a 8.3 file with the ~

But you don't have to use a tilda. You can just use something like
"thisfile.doc" and have a file that works with either system.


if you have lots of files, thisfile.doc won't do it especially when I want
the name to be close to it's purpose.


>PS: I still use gwbasic.exe and write programs in Basic.  Works.. and
>basic requires the 8.3.  I have written many basic programs to read
>and write windows files.  I just enjoy a simple solution to a
>complicated problem.

But there are so many better (and even free) languages available: Perl,
PHP, Python, Ruby, etc. There is no good reason to continue to use old
junk. Except for a refusal to keep up with technology and I won't be
supporting that. Learning new languages keeps your skills fresh and helps
get jobs done faster.


You  are of course correct. Never use what works fast or quick and 
dirty, when you can spend the time learning something new. And not 
spend that time on
enjoying life.  Very similar to not using notepad for editing web 
pages instead using some sophisticated program that takes hours to learn and
use properly.  I could probably use cobol or fortran but prefer basic 
as I can compile it into a .exe program to give out..




>Most windows programs are completely satisfied if you use a 8.3 filename.

Exactly. TomTom should just drop the 8.3 thing and get MS off its back.


I kinda think it was not the 8.3 thingie but the relationship to the
expanded version of the file name.

Rich


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Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

[Rich Schinnell]

At 01:42 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:19:32 -0500
From:Tom Piwowar 
Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu


Rich said:


>Of course it has not had any updates for over 5 years but I still use
>it daily and back it up religiously.
>
>Also a friend who is over 80, uses a really old word processor that
>requires the 8.3 file format and only prints to a parallel connected
>printer. And it does everything she wants.  I have tried to bring her
>into the 21st century but she resists.


TP said:


Question: If you use an 8.3 file name, refraining from using a longer
name, will these applications be able to access the file? In other words
do these applications need some special sauce in their filenames or will
they work if you simply refrain from using longer names?


They will not access a files called  data12~1.xxx as the ~ mark won't 
seem to work in some of the programs, Basic can read a 8.3 file with the ~


PS: I still use gwbasic.exe and write programs in Basic.  Works.. and 
basic requires the 8.3.  I have written many basic programs to read 
and write windows files.  I just enjoy a simple solution to a 
complicated problem.


Most windows programs are completely satisfied if you use a 8.3 filename.

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Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

[Rich Schinnell]

From:Chris Dunford 
Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux


>In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been
>updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with no fuss.
-
Date:Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:36:48 -0500
From:Tom Piwowar 

Details? Do the apps have names? If you will pardon me, based on your
past history I don't put any stock in your vague assertions. These apps
are essential, irreplaceable, and will not work without an 8.3 file name?
Or are you just too lazy to upgrade?


-
I have one that works on Vista and requires the 8.3 filename and 
won't accept anything else.


Intuit Quickbooks version 5.0,  Installed from floppy disks and does 
exactly what I need to bill and keep track of my clients.


Of course it has not had any updates for over 5 years but I still use 
it daily and back it up religiously.


Also a friend who is over 80, uses a really old word processor that 
requires the 8.3 file format and only prints to a parallel connected 
printer. And it does everything she wants.  I have tried to bring her 
into the 21st century but she resists.



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Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista download

[Rich Schinnell]

Sorry to disagree but MS does provide .iso's of their software to
MVP's and those who subscribe to their Technet and technet plus services.

(I download .ISO's of most all of their products legitimately, evem 
Windows 3.11 and DOS versions)


Mark Minasi is all of the above and if anyone has access to MS products
it is Mark.
PS: I know him personally and he is one of the top experts on MS Products.

Rich

At 12:00 AM 2/19/2009, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:20:22 -0500
From:Tony B 
Subject: Re: Windows Vista download

He may have had an image backed up somewhere that he could download.
But AFAIK MS doesn't sell the OS via download.

Depending which versions & licenses you had in the stolen kit, you may
or may not be out of luck.



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[CGUYS] Ain't no MAC virus/trojans, Sure and I have a bridge..

[Rich Schinnell]

Just to keep the scorecard up to date:   Even though we all know that
most pirated software contains some added benefits.. So I guess we might
have some Mac bots out there also..

Rich


http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/01/mac_malware_found_in_pirated_i.php


ZDNet's Ryan Naraine is reporting that pirated copies of Apple's 
iWork 09 circulating on BitTorrent and elsewhere are infected with Mac malware.


According to Mac AV vendor Intego the malware is known as 
OSX.Trojan.iServices.A. The pirated software is complete and 
functional but the installer has an additional package, named 
iWorkServices, that contains the attack. It may ask the user for an 
administrator password, depending on the version of OS X. After it 
installs it phones home to a remote server to report that it is 
installed and awaits remote commands, including the installation of 
additional software. It loads at boot time and has root access.


Sounds very much like a conventional Windows bot. Naraine quotes 
Intego as saying that at least 20,000 Macs had already downloaded the 
infected installer.



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[CGUYS] (CERT) Computer Emergency Response Team, US Govt. INFO

[Rich Schinnell]

FYI:  this could be something that some here might want to know about

Here is a report from the US CERT (Computer Emergency Response Team, 
US Govt.) on how to keep the new crop of trojans from infecting 
computers. Has to do with autorun on removable devices..


http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA09-020A.html

Cert's is a security organization that keeps on top of
critical intrusions and virus/trojans.

YMMV

Rich Schinnell

PS: Capital PC User Group is holding a Maryland meeting at the
Rockville Library on Saturday the 31st of January at 1pm. Q&A along
with a speaker DeeNice Rhodes, The Digital Dynamo on
"What You Need To Get Ready for the Changeover to Digital Television"
Door Prizes drawings for members
Attendance is Free to all
 



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Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 16 Jan 2009 - Special issue (#2009-52)

[Rich Schinnell]

Maybe Just maybe she might be of the new generation that does not 
understand those that get overly emotional or exuberant about 
computers as they have been raised that computers are a normal tool 
of life and not emotional pacifiers.


All of this irrational emotional exuberance is tiring...
rich



Date:Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:32:26 -0800
From:db 
Subject: Re: Family Project

Aaah ... me thinks she was impressed.   It's a generational thing...

db

Tom Piwowar wrote:

I showed my daughter the emails regarding the building of the  computer.
Her question was "Who ARE these guys?  Sheesh!"



Then she lives a very sheltered life. When fans get together a 
spirited discussion is inevitable and a few elbows thrown is not at 
all unusual. What could generate more sparks than the building of a 
computer from scratch? Would you expect a neighborhood basket ball 
game to be a bunch of guys saying "excuse me" and "after you"?



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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Rich Schinnell]

Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of "Don Quixote" **

There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this incessant  "Dueling with Windmills".

**
http://www.online-literature.com/cervantes/don_quixote/

"Cervantes uses the theme of the idealistic, insane knight and the devoted..."

YMMV
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Re: [CGUYS] computer backup software

[Rich Schinnell]

At 06:28 PM 12/10/2008, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote:

Date:Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:08 -0500
From:"Richard P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Computer backup software





Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

Thanks in advance,

Richard P.


I have been using an on-line service called MOZYPRO for several of my small
business clients. I sleep comfortably at night knowing that their 
data is safe and available if a disaster strikes.


They have a FREE version for home users to backup their computer over 
the internet to Mozy, limited to 2 gigabytes of data. Mozyhome free 
is a good and cheap option.

It will give you a warm fuzzy when it is done.

 www.mozy.com  is where you can start.

Mozyhome has an ..All you can Eat.. for $4.95 per month for your home 
computer. Mozy supports Microsoft Windows 2000, XP, and Vista, and 
Apple Mac OS X 10.4 or higher.


All of this backup is done when your computer is not busy, I plan all 
my clients computer servers to backup at 1am in the morning.


Rich
I don't own stock, just use their program for several of my clients.


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[CGUYS] Cloud Computing [Was: Why Small business's and Non_profits...]

[Rich Schinnell]

At 07:34 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:13:02 -0400
From:Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cloud Computing [Was: Why Small business's and Non_profits...]

Linux + a good browser (Chrome?) will get you access to a world of
software and greatly reduce maintenance. Accessing SaaS software in the
cloud shifts most maintenance tasks to the provider. You will not need a
very fancy PC to run it. Files are stored in the cloud so little or
nothing has to be preserved in the computer. If the PC fails just
reformat the drive and reinstall the basic set of apps. You can train
almost anyone to run that. Backups are not an issue, they are handled by
the SaaS provider.

If you are doing anything else for your low-budget non-profit you are
wasting their money big time.


Cloud!  SaaS.  Come on now, would you go to a BOD meeting and advise 
the budget committee what a Cloud or SaaS is and how much it will 
cost to have all the external SaaS.?


You seem to be saying that paying a SaaS provider would be cheaper 
than what they are doing now?  BTW, what would it cost for a SaaS 
provider for 100+ staff?


What some to be saying is that even though the software they buy is 
priced at rock bottom, it is still No good?  We are talking about 
over 100 staff people who would have to be trained.  I know that the 
free open office will create .DOC files which the federal govt and 
State govt require.  And some State web sites won't work with 
anything except IE.  Oh, I see, I should advise the BOD that they 
don't need to worry about the federal or state funding as the 
computers come with Open Source Free software..  Sure as they run me 
out of the meeting..


I suggest that you get real world..

rich Schinnell


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Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's

[Rich Schinnell]

At 01:23 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:07:58 -0400
From:Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well thank you for proving my point, though I don't appreciate the
crudity and am not quoting that part of your post. When you have to
resort to crudity it is a good sign that your case is not a good one. You
are only trying to squelch discussion.

An organization that has to depend on second-hand donations and vendor
give aways is clearly not operating in a free market. Just like someone
sleeping on a park bench on a cold Winter night is not exercising a free
market preference for cold and hard beds.


I guess that you proved my point by your response.  I guess you never 
have had to deal with Non-Profit's that serve the Handicapped. Where 
each dollar is scarce.  Most well run non-profit's can't afford 
paying full price for PC's/Mac's so they deal with what they can get 
reasonably.


It also makes it much easier to hire IT support people as the ratio 
is probably 1000:1 of PC-MAC in the local hiring market.  Check out 
Craig's list or the classified.  Also many NP's just throw away 
machines as they crap out beyond repair.


Many non-profits depend on second hand donations for a lot of their 
office equipment and computers.


Maybe you could price out 100 Mac's and software for the NP that I 
volunteer for.


Your suggestion that I am trying to squelch discussion does not hold 
water because everyone on this list knows in the bottom of their 
heart that you are always correct and everyone else (except a few) 
are 1000% wrong.


Or maybe the list should be changed to the TP discussion list. 
Joining and posting will guarantee you a response that should shake 
your confidence in all the decisions that you have ever made.


Rich

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[CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and Windows

[Rich Schinnell]

I guess it is time to insert a little economy into the discussion of
why people buy PC's with windows.

1. Most Non-Profits, like the one that I volunteer for seem to 
perpetually have a lack of funds to purchase PC's.  Lots of what they 
get are second hand donations which makes the price correct.


2. Many small business's of 3-10 persons like law, medical and 
accounting offices purchase their PC's base on bang for the buck. 
which means price.
I bought a client 4 Dell's from MicroCenter for $399 each, they came 
with XP Pro, 1gig Ram and 80 gig hard disks. And a keyboard and mouse 
included. No monitors but cheap LCD's abound.


3. Non-Profits can purchase software and hardware thru TechSoup, 
which MS sells their XP pro for around $8 a copy. And MS Office pro 
for about the same.


Of course the Non-Profit that I volunteer for has around 120 
workstations and 8 windows 2003 servers.  No Apple products were 
available for them to purchase at a cheap price like Intel PC's and 
MS products.  They did get a really good price break from Dell on 
their servers and switch's.


(I don't think that the BOD would approve purchasing MAC's when they 
can get Windows PC's for a small amount of outlay.)


Techsoup is the primary place for validated non-profit's to acquire 
hardware and software at real cheap prices.  No Apple products seem 
to be visible. I understand that Apple does provide software/hardware 
in small amounts to some non-profits that jump thru the many-many 
hoops to get it.


PS:
I printed Tom's comments about the mental instability of their 
decisions for them to review and they all said to tell him to "piss up a rope"



sorry but I guess I am among the unwashed..  

Rich Schinnell

PPS: Chris, you seem to be peeing into the wind.. 



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Re: [CGUYS] Comcast puts on the brakes

[Rich Schinnell]

At 08:05 PM 9/16/2008, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:48:30 -0400
From:John Duncan Yoyo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comcast puts on the brakes


I wonder what would happen if a significant percentage of the subscribers
went over one month?  I'm guessing that they couldn't afford to lose that
much business.



Has anyone figured out; when Comcast turns off your internet
access for excessive use, does that mean you still have to pay them 
for internet service?  Or would that fee now be considered a fine or penalty..


Sound to me that some fantail lawyer will break that up and make them
refund  your internet charges for any month that you can't use the service..

Not a sermon, just a thought..

rich 



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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

[Rich Schinnell]

At 03:10 PM 7/29/2008, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:37:46 -0500
From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unusual sound on speakers
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Out in the country I got it when passing electrified fences.

Stewart



Brings back old memories of us kids talking the new kid into
peeing on the electric fence.  

We did not tell him that timing was the important part of it
by listening to the hum of the fence charger, in between pulses..

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[CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)

[Rich Schinnell]

I think it is about time for cutnpaste 101 again.

It really is not that hard to cut and paste the pertinent parts
of a CG message to a reply or a new message..

I have seen a one liner response to a 30-60 line quote.
Really..

But then I am an Old Fart and getting cranky in my old age..

:)

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Re: [CGUYS] Macs in business...take 3: Fear Factor

[Rich Schinnell]

At 02:47 PM 7/22/2008, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:17:07 -0400
From:Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Macs in business...take 3: Fear Factor

 and
everything sent to you will be gibberish.


Ah Ha!, Now I know why a lot of what I read on CG is gibberish.

Because it was typed on a non MS computer.

The mystery is solved.

Thanks Tom..   


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Re: [CGUYS] ntldr disappeared ...after reinstall all's well but windows update gives error

[Rich Schinnell]

At 06:45 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:59:07 -0400
From:rlsimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ntldr disappeared ...after reinstall all's well but windows 
update gives error


winxpsp2 live update leads to error page ...what to do?  this is an original
winxp completely legit came with machine = dell4400
pIV2.0ram1gbplennyaHDDspace...


I have found a fix for the error when trying to use live update.
I go to the url line and add an s   to http to make it https
and I have over a 96% success rate..

Also, make sure that you go into options on your browser. and delete 
all the temp files.

also, delete all the files in the windows\temp folder..

YMMV

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Re: [CGUYS] Free antivirus to replace AVG?

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 6/24/2008, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:13:22 -0700
From:db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Free antivirus to replace AVG?
I believe the case is that when you download free AVG, registration 
is required to keep it running.  They send you an email with a 
registration key or such and you have to install it in your AVG 
within 60 days or such or the free AVG copy will stop working...


db


Untrue regarding registration or it stops working. NOT according to
my having it installed on a few machines.


Basic antivirus and antispyware protection for Windows available to 
download for free. Limited features, no support, for private and 
non-commercial use only.


http://free.grisoft.com/ww.download?prd=afe

db, where did you get the information regarding AVG and it stopping
working without registration???
Something tells me that you are thinking about another of the free 
Anti-Virus programs..



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Re: [CGUYS] Free antivirus to replace AVG?

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 6/23/2008, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:31:58 -0400
From:Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Free antivirus to replace AVG?

In a few days AVG's free antivirus software will be defunct, 
requiring an upgrade to a paid version.  Are there any other free or 
low cost anti-virus programs or is the paid AVG as good and 
comparably priced as any?

Thanks
Randall


Try..

http://free.grisoft.com/ww.download?prd=afe

Works.

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Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Vista?

[Rich Schinnell]

At 04:28 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:27:32 -0400
From:Sue Cubic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Forced to Vista?

The problem is that some of my software won't work on Vista.  I've 
tried it on other machines.  My biggest complaint is all the 
problems that Eudora/Vista present--even the latest version of Eudora.



I use the paid version of Eudora (7.1.0.9) and have had no problems. 
I have 18 email profile  address's that I send and receive from 
daily. I probably have thousands of messages from the late 80's when 
I first used Eudora 2.?


Of course I have plenty of disk space and 2gigs of ram for Vista 
Ultimate. but I also have run it on a lesser computer and vista business.



Outside of that, I have had to update much of my software to be able 
to work well with Vista but I never had to update GWBASIC intrepeter 
or the Quickbasic compiler.


I updated Nero to 8 and my ws_ftp pro to the latest.

I remember having to upgrade many of my programs when I first went 
from DOS to windows 2.1 and heard the exact same bitching and 
moaning.  but they got over it..



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Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Vista?

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:38 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote:

ate:Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:38:01 -0700
From:db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Forced to Vista?

What's wrong with Vista?   Having to struggle to access many things 
that should be transparently available and having it decide other 
things for me incorrectly is a big reason for me.

I want to do my work on a computer not have the computer be the work.
Same things goes for Office 2007.   Essentially steps backwards in 
essential ways.


I predict MS inferior IT and bullying, creepy politics isn't going 
to work for them anymore in keeping them on top of their 
market.  Too many options are now available.  Linux, Google, Mac.

The bully is going to reap its just rewards me thinks.
XP and Office 2003 are the end of the line for me.

db


I have a suggestion for those who might want to get back to the real basics.

I have a dos 6.22 and windows 3.11 for workgroups that your welcome 
to. Dos rules and works great,  I even have word perfect for dos that 
your welcome to.
My old 386 runs great with this config and you can do whatever you 
want in DOS. You can use the gwbasic intrepeter for writing programs.


Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?

I run Vista ultimate on a power toshiba laptop and everything works 
great. Also on a Pentium Dual with 2gigs of ram and power video.  I 
don't seem to have the problems some are having but then I use the 
machine for my work and some playing.


Re the response to get a Mac. I don't think that getting in a peeing 
contest with TP is worth any agrivation at this stage of the game as 
it would be like peeing to windward..


YMMV
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Re: [CGUYS] WinXP & SATA

[Rich Schinnell]

Tony, are you trying to install windowsXP from an original xp disk
pre service pack's?  I have installed windows xp on at least a dozen
SATA only motherboards without any drivers.  Also, I can't understand
why  your motherboard did not come with a cdrom. I don't think I have
ever bought a new motherboard without a cdrom coming along with it as
well as a new metal part for the case to allow the connections to
be properly positioned.

I looked at your specifications and your board has video, floppy and
ide as well as 6 SATA connections.

My bottom line is that you got taken by buying a mb without a cdrom
and you need to get a new version of XP with SP2 on it.

Rich


At 12:00 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote:

Date:Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:47:40 -0400
From:Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WinXP & SATA

[rant]

What a PITA. This Intel DQ965GF board, purchased 4/07, didn't come
with any floppy disk (or files) despite the fact WinXP is still the
most common OS. No problem, if their website responds to an obvious
"DQ965 floppy drivers" query, but of course it doesn't.

At the time I simply kicked the bios to emulate EIDE, then forgot
about it. But darnit, now I'd like very much to kick these drives to
AHCI (SATA) mode. But, a year later, I still can't find the right
files at Intel!

I think there should be a law. If you're going to sell a motherboard
with SATA, and if WinXP still doesn't support SATA without a floppy,
then dammit, pack a floppy with your board!

[/rant]

PS My existing Vista wouldn't change to new SATA drivers either,
throwing a 7B blue screen.



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Re: [CGUYS] Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop

[Rich Schinnell]

At 01:09 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:00:08 -0400
From:"Schmidt, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-77D742CB
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

In this discussion of FIOS, I'm reading if I lose my electric I'll lose
my phone service.  Is that correct?
Paul Schmidt


When your small UPS that powers your phone circuits fails, then you probably
will lose your phone service. As soon as the power fails, your fios internet
access will be dropped, as the battery only supplies the phones, from what
the tech told me when it was installed.  Good thing I have a whole house
generator..  :)


POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
to pump electricity down the fibre line.  :)

Aside:  I heard a radio advertisement today that said that fios is 
available the same speed upload as download.  I kinda question this 
but you never know.

I pay for the 15/2 and do get up to 20/1.75 most times.

YMMV
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Re: [CGUYS] Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop

[Rich Schinnell]

Date:Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:09:08 -0400
From:"Eric S. Sande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
  One hundred percent
money back guarantee.  That goes for just about everything we
sell.

If we can't do it we won't and we'll tell you why.  If we can do it
we guarantee you'll be happy with the product.

If you are mistreated by a representative I want to know names,
dates, and specifics.  That forms no part of our business model.

Yes, we are a big company.  But anyone who works for Verizon is
accountable down to the last detail.


I sure wish I had known that you worked for verizon before I had to
writ the to ceo of Verizon to solve a problem.

I had a good Palm Tungsten T3 and a verizon cell phone, both worked
great but I kept losing my pants with all the weight on my belt.

I went to the verizon store and decided to buy a Palm Treo 700P so that
I could have both my palm data and phone in one.

Just about ready to sign when the salesman said that he could not sell
me the Treo without a data plan for another $50 a month on top of my $40
for the phone plan..

Whoa, I said that I do not want any data, web or email on my phone.
he said that his manager would not approve the sale without the data plan.

sorry, I said goodby and went to "compusa" who sold sprint Treo 700P and
got my service.  I was disappointed as I have my phones with verizon and
have been a Fios customer at the mid level for a long time.

Bottom line. The ceo waved my early termination fee and that was the last
I heard of it but he did say that the salesman was wrong.  I could have
bought the phone without the data plan.  but it was too late then.

YMMV
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Re: [CGUYS] USB cables

[Rich Schinnell]

At 01:02 PM 3/4/2008, you wrote:

From:Brian Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB cables
MIME-Version: 1.0

I have been unable to find supporting links to show that the higher 
voltage digital '1' travels faster than the lower voltage digital 
'0' through copper wire.



Kinda confirming my prior post.

Why do I feel like I am in the spin room after a political debate?
And is it really the 1st of April???
Rich


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Re: [CGUYS] USB cables

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:58:43 -0500
From:Brian Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB cables

Well, it does make a difference.  With Ethernet, the faster the 
transfer rate, the more twists you must have in the cable (per foot) 
to minimize crosstalk.  That is why you have different grades of 
Ethernet cable (5, 5E 6).  And length is a factor as 
well.  Typically, (but not always), higher data rates dictate 
shorter distances with a given technology.  The problem is that the 
digital '1' and digital '0' do not travel at the same speed though 
the wire... over short distances it's not an issue, but over longer 
distances, or at higher frequencies, a '1 bit can catch up with the 
'0' ahead of it, thus corrupting both.  Using higher quality cables 
(less resistance) can obtain for you a little more distance.



Is this the 1st of April?  I really need a reality check with this "1" bit
catching up to a "0" bit.




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Re: [CGUYS] WiFi stumbler for Macs

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 1/24/2008, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:49:27 -0500
From:Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WiFi stumbler for Macs

>I USED to think the range of a wireless Access Point
>was limited to 100 or 150 feet. And that someone had to
>be within that range to snoop. Now I know better and
>will act differently with all my customers.

That is exactly why people in the know are so upset about the new US
passports. Imagine using a similar antenna as a sniperscope for picking
the Americans out of a crowd.


But Tom, you forgot that you were issued your tinfoil hat.  That will 
protect you from those spying sniperscopes..  I know you have one 
because I saw you the other day and you were wearing it..




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Re: [CGUYS] Filemaker "personal" for $49.00

[Rich Schinnell]

At 01:26 PM 1/9/2008, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote:

Date:Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:22:42 -0500
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Subject: Re: Filemaker "personal" for $49.00
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Sounds like the AppleWorks database. That was fairly useful for 
small offices and home.


Is Bento flat file or relational?



My bento has hard boiled quail eggs and sashimi along with some great
fried fish.  And of course some fried rice in it..

YMMV

PS: Some who have been to Japan in the past know that Bento is a
Japanese lunch.



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Re: [CGUYS] Case feet

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:35:53 -0500
From:Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Case feet
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A couple of people answered you the last time you asked. At the time I
resisted, but since you asked again, I'll ask: "Why do you NEED feet
on your case anyway?". I can't remember the last time I put them on a
system I've built. Although, it's been a while since a case I've
bought included unattached ones too. I have no idea if this thing
sitting next to me has feet on it or not, and I'm not going to look
because I really don't care.

On Nov 28, 2007 11:20 PM, Christopher Range <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone in the DC-Metro area know where, I can get case feet?  I
> need to replace the set on my full-tower case.


One reason for the little rubber feet is to prevent scratching and damaging
your nice hardwood floors or tile with the sharp edges of the metal case.

Most any of the hardware stores have the small felt sticky back feet that
work very well.

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Re: [CGUYS] Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:27:29 -0500
From:Jeff Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rip Van Winkle [Was: Looking for notebooks

I just think it's amusing for you to drag out the consultant's hammer and
nail problem resolution flowchart, telling the customer how they conduct
their business is all wrong because they're not using the "latest"
technology.  That's usually the point in the meeting where I thank them for
their time and show them where the door is.


I think that maybe the bottom line with all the comments regarding
whether serial/parallel ports are necessary boils down to the
makeup of the list participants.

1. Business consultants/IT teams that use computers as a tool and
are required to support their customers/employees with the correct
hammer for the nails that were purchased by someone else. and they 
had no input in the purchase rationale .


2. Hobbiests that are ONLY concerned with having the latest and greatest
of cheap toys/software/hardware and do not have the slightest idea of
the business/commercial world people who  only want to get their work done..

3. Those that just like to tweak/harangue others on the list on their 
poor choice of operating systems or software.  They are the Trolls.. 
:)  And if they get some all riled up, they have succeeded..  :(



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Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?

[Rich Schinnell]

http://myspeed.visualware.com/


Via my FIOS

http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896

Speed test statistics
-
Download speed: 15460200 bps
Upload speed: 1896720 bps
Quality of service: 98 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum download pause: 34 ms
Average download pause: 1 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 5 ms
Average round trip time to server: 72 ms


Via Comcast 5 minutes later


http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570022

and

http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570036



Speed test statistics
-
Download speed: 9504792 bps
Upload speed: 1125144 bps
Quality of service: 50 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum download pause: 52 ms
Average download pause: 2 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 25 ms
Average round trip time to server: 28 ms

Rich,

You get what  you pay for "sometimes"

Hay, this reminds me of the "mine is biggern yours" days
of 128k of memory and 10 meg hard disks..  :)



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Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

[Rich Schinnell]

Microsoft vs Apple.

In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is tainted
by the money motive.  I would like to see a disclaimer from
anyone commenting on how good or bad apple or Microsoft are
or are not,

Let us know whether  you own Apple or Microsoft
stock or a fund that has MS or Apple stock.

I think that this would be appropriate.

I do not own either Microsoft or Apple stock.

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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:29:46 -0500
From:"Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: first iMac question  ug Vista

There are four flavors of Vista.

Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium.



Sorry Rev, no cigar the highest level of Vista is Ultimate..

go here to see the prices and flavors

http://www.tcponline.com/Softwares_operating_systems.htm

notice the prices are OEM, which is cheaper than the full retail
but not supported directly from microsoft, the oem must provide
support..

Rich

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Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista

[Rich Schinnell]

At 04:12 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:41:51 -0400
From:Wayne Dernoncourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: first iMac question  ug Vista
gerald
> does she want to load Vista, or would she be better off
> with XP?  again, will a new UG work?

From everything I've read, Windows Vista is Windows XP with
more security stuff turned on breaking drivers and programs
but doing a better job at security.  Good in some respects,
bad in others.  Since playing HD DVD's isn't a big deal on
this Mac, I don't need Vista.  Security Now has had podcasts
about Vista along with Windows Weekly(??).

I did something similar.  I bought a Mac & Parallels this past
summer and went to Best Buy and bought a copy of Windows XP.  I
had lots of problems installing it and tech support said "We
think you have an upgrade copy..."  I looked and I had bought
an upgrade copy.  I had never noticed.  Best Buy wouldn't take
it back (no exchange plus cash if for the right one if they
would've had any).  So I ordered one from Buy.com, ten minutes
after I clicked buy, I realized I needed some stuff from
amazon.com, bought it there, went back to buy.com to cancel,
clicked cancel, they said okay.  A day and half later, I get
an email saying "Oooops, the order had already gone into the
system.  Contact us for an RMA and we will take it back."
I'm still waiting for the stuff for amazon.com to show up, I
don't remember what is slowing things down, but in the end I'm
going to either have two copies of Windows XP Home or have to
hassle with sending one back.

Long and short, I'm going to have a copy of Windows XP Home
here if you are interested.

--
Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
Managing senior programmers is like herding cats!


Wayne, I hope you did not pay any more than $95 for your xp home?

The Computer place in va and MD both sell xp home OEM version for
around $95 and is allowed to be installed without going and paying
full retail for the xp..

check out their site at

http://www.tcponline.com

their prices for oem operating systems (sorry only MD )

http://www.tcponline.com/Softwares_operating_systems.htm


Rich



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Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Walgreen's offers free ink refills]

[Rich Schinnell]

At 05:36 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote:

Date:Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:36:44 -0500
From:Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Walgreen's offers free ink refills]


Okay, but Staples and these other online sellers DO say their 
cartridges work with Dell!  So someone is guilty of either lying or 
false advertising. In fact, staples has generic cartridges (still 
almost as expensive as Dell's, btw), labeled as for the Dell 
printers and for my specific one. Hate to throw good money after bad 
by buying another set of Dell cartridges, but don't have the dough 
at the moment to buy another 4 in 1, so just haven't had use of the 
4 in 1 for months now, unless I bother with scanning things in it 
and using my good old reliable HP laser printer to print them out 
(though not always the best quality reproduction).


So, bottom line, guess you are agreeing with Dell that no other 
printer cartridges but theirs will work with their 
printers?  Including ink refill kits?  Will certainly think twice, 
three times or ten times before ever buying a Dell printer.  Too bad 
I probably wasn't on this list when you issued those warning!


Randall


There evidently are others here on the list that disagree with me on 
the dell printers.  Fine.  I am glad that what they have works for them.


I would be cautious with Dell, Just like their hand held PDA's (dell 
axium) that I understand are discontinued.  They still sell supplies 
and add-ons for them but they evidently recommend other PDA's like 
Palm and others.


What will people do when Dell stops making/selling their printers.???

I have bought a couple of real cheap network capable Brother lasers 
for client  use and they seem to work fine. And Staples, Office Depot 
and others sell the cartridges.


Your Mileage May Vary..

Rich

PS: I have purchased quite a few dell computers for clients, servers 
and workstations that work well. No printers though..  




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Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: Walgreen's offers free ink refills]

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:14:00 -0500
From:Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Walgreen's offers free ink refills]

Beginning to get jealous of people who live within close proximity 
to Walgreens or Walmart!   Didn't see my Dell 4 in 1 printer listed 
on list of Dell printers that are refillable.  Since two generic 
cartridges didn't work, maybe there's a good reason.


Either Dell is lying when they repeatedly say generic cartridges 
don't work with Dell printers or some of these generic cartridge 
makers or sellers are lying when they claim that they do and can!  A 
set of dell cartridges seems to be maybe a third the cost of the damn printer!


Randall


Randall, Welcome to the crowd.  I tried and tried to warn people about buying
any printer that did not take cartridges from Staples or any other office
supply place.   I wrote about this a few years ago and a couple of 
people said that Dell printers were great and I resisted the "I told 
you so" but..


That might be one reason that Dell was giving away their laser 
printers to Non-Profits in MD and I cautioned them to refuse 
them.  Most listened and are happy, some of the others are paying the 
price.  No competition in the cartridge arena for them.


Reminds me of the middle 80's where they were almost giving away the 
cute little dot maitrix printers and expecting/requiring you to buy 
the ribbons from them.

Sure

Rich
YMMV



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Re: [CGUYS] Vista or XP

[Rich Schinnell]

At 12:00 AM 8/7/2007, you wrote:

Date:Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:35:42 -0400
From:"Michael A. Wosnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vista or XP

Have been off the list for an extended period and have just returned and
would like some insider advice. I know that reams have been written about
Vista vs. XP but wondered if some of the regulars here had a CONCISE
recommendation to make re: why (or why not) I should upgrade from XP Media
Center to Vista.


I would not recommend upgrading an XP computer to Vista UNLESS.

1. Your computer is a late model with plenty of RAM and a fast Hard disk
2. Your video card has at least 256Meg of ram (if you really want to use Aero)

Vista is best run on a powerful Pentium 4 dual processor with a 
really minimum of 1 gig of RAM.  2gigs is better.
Most on-board Video motherboards just won't cut it very well. 
Separate video cards with 256 meg of ram work so much better.  Maybe 
the on-board video motherboards will catch up but most are not there yet.


All in all, I purchased a new toshiba Laptop with 2gigs ram, Centrino 
Dual processor with 2 160Gigabyte Sata hard disks.  Works great and I 
am very pleased with it's performance.


For the Evangilists: I am waiting for the new Leopard OS and the new 
MacBook Pro's to come out in a couple of months before I jump back 
into the Mac fray.  I used to have a Mac Mini but sold it before the 
intel mac's came out..


Bottom Line: don't upgrade just be be upgrading. Get a new machine 
designed to run Vista with lots of ram and good video.


Rich 




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[CGUYS] Background programs running

[Rich Schinnell]

At 10:29 PM 8/5/2007, you wrote:

Date:Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:42:56 -0500
From:Jeff Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Background programs running

One thing I've noticed on my computer is that a lot of programs are 
running in the background, some of which do not need to be running.


Question...can you direct me to a good source so I can figure out 
what some of these things are and put an end to the things that do 
not need to run?  Is there a good program (inexpensive or free) that 
can make the adjustments and close down those things which do not 
need to be running?


I do a lot of graphics work and that can bog down the computer by 
itself...does not need the help of those additional useless programs.


Thank you.

Jeff


If you are using Windows then I highly recommend the site

http://www.blackviper.com/

He has a listing (that you can download) of each of the different 
options in Windows xp and Microsoft vista that are process's and the 
options to turn on and off  to speed up  your computer.


If you are not using windows, then the most revered exalted high muck 
raker will have to tell you how to do it.


Rich  




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Re: [CGUYS] LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known

[Rich Schinnell]

At 02:23 PM 6/13/2007, you wrote:

Date:Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:28:54 -0400
From:"Kee, Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LCD Life -- The Truth Be Known
After looking at a couple of sources,
http://proav.pubdyn.com/Tech_Apps/August85200535903PM.htm
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cm/japanmarkt-fpd-04.html

ELD life was quoted as 10,000 hours.  That works out to 1.14 years at
one hour a day (10,000/24/365).
If others are interested in finding other sources, let's see whether
Tom's fear was more than gossip--so far, his earlier notion is being
confirmed.  But I suspect he would be happy to find out that he can keep
the display longer than originally reported.

Arnold



Did I miss remedial math in grade school?  1 hour a day for a 365 day 
year looks to me like 365  hours use in one year. then divide 10,000 / 365

looks like over 27 years..

But in reality, most people don't use their monitor for only 1 hour a 
day, but even given 5 hours a day for a 365 day year it comes up to 
well over 5 years before the monitor goes under.. but then if they 
take a vacation, all bets are off 


Or did I miss something?

Rich 




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[CGUYS] Micro Center opening during August in Rockville (~compusa store)

[Rich Schinnell]

I was just looking at the old compusa store in Rockville and they
were handing out a flyer with all their sales.  I asked when they
would be opening and they said during the month of August.

Rich



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[CGUYS] EXPERT techi needed for touch screen system in DC-Metro area.

[Rich Schinnell]

I have a good friend who is working on a program for verbally 
challenged people and needs some EXPERT assistance in speeding up the 
following machine that he intends on using for a kiosk at a 
handicapped facility.


HP TouchSmart IQ770 PC
Windows Vista Home Premium
1.6GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology TL-52 processor
2048MB of PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM

Looking for someone who is a real techi that can clean up the Vista
home premium to speed up the processing.  He needs the touch screen, audio and
the primary OS but no networking or other network process's, i.e. it 
will be a stand alone computer.


He is willing to pay for the expertise for someone to do this.

Anyone know of someone who is pretty sharp and can do this in the
Washington DC metro area?

the program is called 1-2-3speak and they have a web site..  .com
Send me an email and I will be glad to put them in touch.

Rich Schinnell



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Re: [CGUYS] Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Fre

[Rich Schinnell]

You aren't trying to assume or infer that some here might be prejudiced?

Come on now. why interject a bit of truth or realism here as there are
some who will not stand for it.(at least for long...)

If the world were as some would like, there would not be any consultants
out there driving around in their hummers..   Just try to imagine a world
without MS windows and everyone had a Mac running the apple OS.  Then there
would be the Apple haters. Some might be jealous that Steve Jobs and co. did
not really market properly the original MAC instead of holding it so closed.

PS: Andrew Flueglman  had a Mac in my basement 3 months before it was 
introduced.  I wanted one at the time. It was neat...


Rich

At 07:19 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 8 May 2007 16:03:03 -0700
From:mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Neighbor Runs A Crackhouse [Was: How to Install Fre
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This contest proved that a mac could be hacked easily...as soon as there was
some motive to do so which was money.  This has been the contention of many
that the reasons macs aren't targeted is not because they are more secure
but because there is no point, no money in it.  If your job is to get as
many machines on a botnet as possible why would you target such a minuscule
audience?   If you are interested in making money from spam, again why
target an audience where there are nothing but empty seats in the theater?
In April alone Apple released a dozen security patches that could allow
arbitrary code to be run.  Each one of these a possible exploit of the type
that was used at CanSecWest.   Right now is it 'safer' to run mac os then
windows?  Sure.  But I think the reason why that is so is misunderstood by
most mac users.  The spread of this misinformation doesn't do anyone any
good.  It's become a knee jerk reaction from mac users when talked to about
security to just recite the mantra 'we are more secure'.  All I hope for is
a little intellectual honesty about the topic and less kool-aid.

Mike




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Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

[Rich Schinnell]

I am kinda getting tired of this "who invented the internet" crap.

How's about talking about computers and much more related subjects
rather than peeing in the wind about political differences?



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