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Tom, I assume NAC's are the same thing as NACK's (neg*ACK). Do CS and EE tribes use a different abbreviation? -P Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom P said: Normally, DSL should not do that. This implies that some bandwidth is being consumed by NACs. The speed measuring sites do not seem to register NACs. Tom, what is NAC? I just checked the DSL speed and it was 962 down...and less than a minute later it was 2280 down. But no matter what, the cable is staying 4 times faster or more even tho it too varies widely. Now, I do pay a lot more for the cable$25/mo for the DSL and $49/mo for Comcast but the speed matters to me. I am used to downloading podcasts very quickly and have not enjoyed waiting and waiting for them to finish downloading with the DSL. I just checked about the Verizon availability and we can't get it at our address. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Tom P said: Normally, DSL should not do that. This implies that some bandwidth is being consumed by NACs. The speed measuring sites do not seem to register NACs. Tom, what is NAC? I just checked the DSL speed and it was 962 down...and less than a minute later it was 2280 down. But no matter what, the cable is staying 4 times faster or more even tho it too varies widely. Now, I do pay a lot more for the cable$25/mo for the DSL and $49/mo for Comcast but the speed matters to me. I am used to downloading podcasts very quickly and have not enjoyed waiting and waiting for them to finish downloading with the DSL. I just checked about the Verizon availability and we can't get it at our address. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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You can go to verizon.com and they will tell you if you qualify for FIOS which certainly faster than cable and DSL and less expensive than COX for internet. On Dec 18, 2007 5:15 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric said: I have one question for Paula. Are you in Verizon territory? Ummm, not sure. I have Verizon for my cell carrier but I don't know if it's available here for land line or not. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Paula Minor wrote: Tom P said: Normally, DSL should not do that. This implies that some bandwidth is being consumed by NACs. The speed measuring sites do not seem to register NACs. Tom, what is NAC? I think he means what I call NAK or Negative AcKnowledgement. In TCP, data which doesn't arrive at the destination (or arrives in corrupted form) must be transmitted. Every so often, each side will transmit an acknowledgement of what data has been successfully received by that side of the connection. If no acknowlegement of a piece of data is received within a certain amount of time, the sender of that data assumes it has been lost or corrupted, and must be retransmitted. It's this time spent waiting for an acknowledgement (ACK) and the repeated transmission of the lost block of data that lowers the effective bandwidth of your connection. Note: I _think_ that TCP only uses positive acknowledgement, and simply relies on the same timeout mechanism for both lost and corrupted data... i.e. it doesn't actually send a NAK when data is received but found to be currupted. (any of you other network geeks feel like checking the RFC to make sure I'm correct?) -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
It's only anecdotal but I've heard from many people across the country with DSL that they almost always get the lesser service then what they pay for on average. This is exactly what she described. When she dropped it to the service she was actually getting, the actual speed dropped again. I'm sure this is not everyone, but I've heard it enough to believe it happens as often as I hear the cable is shared argument on the other side. Though, here at least in Phoenix, I've never run into a problem of not getting what I paid for and a lot of the time substantially more then what I paid for from cable. Telcos have to move away from twisted pair, max speed is barely high speed compared to FIOS or cable. Mike On Dec 16, 2007 12:04 AM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. Cable uses a first come first served model of delivery. Telcos usually use a capped bandwidth, or a you get what you pay for model. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know. More people are online in the winter. It tends to saturate the head end of a cable service. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. It isn't. They operate over landline, coax instead of twisted pair as is increasingly becoming uncommon with telcos. - Original Message - From: Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. I have absolutely no qualifications in this, but only what I've been told. Cable works in blocks and depending on how many people are connected to your block at the time you are surfing, or whatever, will depend on your speed. I live in a small city of about 200,000 and the block is probably about 1 square mile. In a large city like New York the block could be one building. Anyway, the DSL providers I've talked to said (or tried to sell me on) that DSL is a constant speed, while cable fluctuates. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know, but we get bad weather here and it always seems to happen. I did switch over from cable TV to Direct TV and had to go out and brush off my disk. It was caked in snow and interrupting the signal. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. Jeff M On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Paula Minor wrote: So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Mike said: It's only anecdotal but I've heard from many people across the country with DSL that they almost always get the lesser service then what they pay for on average. This is exactly what she described. When she dropped it to the service she was actually getting, the actual speed dropped again. That's exactly what was happening. I was getting the top speed for my current level of service when I was on the elite level which was the bottom of the speed for that level. Once I changed to a lower service level, I never again got that 3 mbps speedexcept with ATT's own speed test. That test site is consistently faster than any of the other sites I've used and since it is run by ATT, I imagine it is rigged to give optimum results even tho the customer can never actually achieve them. Now that I've got the cable going on my laptop, I can see that my speed it immensely faster even tho it is a windy, snowy ,freezing day and surely all my neighbors are inside and online. Normally I do notice slowdowns on cable when kids are home from school or on weekends but right now at least it's fast compared to the DSL. I think Im going to cancel the DSL. It's a lot cheaper than the cable but maybe I can tell Comcast I'm going to cancel and get a better rate with them. ;-) Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I know this goes against what the cable company says, and what we all believe, but the last few times I've had a problem with my cable connection I've had to use the opposite turn on order to get it going again. Yes, I'm saying I turned on the router and then the modem. If nothing else works, just remember to try it. John DeCarlo wrote: Paula, For getting cable set back up, here are some thoughts for simple steps: 1. Turn off the Cable Modem. 2. Turn off the Apple Airport Extreme router. 3. Turn on the Cable Modem. 4. Look for the Cable Modem light to indicate it is connected. On mine, it is the cable light of the four. 5. Then turn on the router. 6. Reset your connection to the router and see if you are on the Internet now. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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It's only anecdotal but I've heard from many people across the country with DSL that they almost always get the lesser service then what they pay for on average. I have never seen any DSL connection speed presented as an average rate. It is usually presented as an up to rate, which is consistent with what you are observing. In practice, I've observed that the DSL provider caps the rate at slightly above the rate they specify. In my experience DSL rates are fairly constant. You get what you pay for, no more and no less. In contrast cable rates are all over the place. Use it in the middle of the night and you have the whole wire to yourself. Use it at rush hour and the speed is poor. As more people get network-fed DVRs I expect that the overnight performance of cable will get worse as more people download video. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Dec 16, 2007 1:35 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my experience DSL rates are fairly constant. You get what you pay for, no more and no less. Most people I know with DSL find fairly constanct rates. But I know a few who apparently have some sort of issues with the copper wire from the CO to the house. Rain can really lower their data rate. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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My d/l rates with Comcast have been fairly consistent over the years. It's rare that I find a large d/l much below the advertised 6 MB rate, unless it's a server I know to throttle their outbound bandwidth. -Original Message- I have never seen any DSL connection speed presented as an average rate. It is usually presented as an up to rate, which is consistent with what you are observing. In practice, I've observed that the DSL provider caps the rate at slightly above the rate they specify. In my experience DSL rates are fairly constant. You get what you pay for, no more and no less. In contrast cable rates are all over the place. Use it in the middle of the night and you have the whole wire to yourself. Use it at rush hour and the speed is poor. As more people get network-fed DVRs I expect that the overnight performance of cable will get worse as more people download video. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Most people I know with DSL find fairly constanct rates. But I know a few who apparently have some sort of issues with the copper wire from the CO to the house. Rain can really lower their data rate. Yep. The primary limitation of DSL is line loss. If I am the provider, I can set your cap at 3 mbps (for example) at the point of presence (POP). But the ultimate arbiters of your speed are going to be determined by loop quality. If you have a crappy loop to begin with, or if you are a long distance from the POP, you aren't going to get 3 mbps. When it rains, with aerial cable, some things in the system sometimes, well, leak. Mostly the telco has this under control. Sometimes it doesn't. A telco won't sell DSL to a subscriber beyond 18K feet from the POP. If they do they're behaving irresponsibly, because the physical limitations of the network are such that it can't be supported with any reasonable QOS at that distance, even with a perfect loop (which exists only in OZ). I have one question for Paula. Are you in Verizon territory? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I don't believe what you wrote is 100% true. What can happen with copper pairs is that interference (water, squirrels chewing, corrosion, etc.) or noise causes damaged and or dropped packets, and these create requests for re-sends of those packets. So your throughput in terms of packets per second goes down, which is interpreted by the measurement applications as reduced line speed. It should also be noted the the other limitation of Internet access service is dependent on the pipe from the service provider to the nearest DNS server - if all they have is a link capable of say 10 Mb/sec, then no matter what facilities you have, you will be sharing that pipe with the other subscribers, whether that is cable, DSL, or FIOS. Small rural telephone companies can offer DSL relatively cheaply, but if they don't have a hefty link to the Internet, you aren't going to get blinding speed, especially after school, weekends, and on snow days. As far as distance from the central office, you are correct that there is a limit on the length of the copper than will work, but that can be extended by the use of fiber from the central office to a repeater, extending the distance considerably. In my case, I am 8 miles from the serving central office and still have ADSL that works about 1.8 Mb/sec down and about half that up. Verizon placed a repeater hut about two miles from my place, and it serves a LOT of subscribers in the area - we don't have cable, so anything is better than dial-up. Verizon is also putting in fiber to replace copper in a lot of New Jersey towns, but where we live won't be done until last - we don't have enough subscribers in this rural area to make it worth the expense. Mike Eric S. Sande wrote: Most people I know with DSL find fairly constanct rates. But I know a few who apparently have some sort of issues with the copper wire from the CO to the house. Rain can really lower their data rate. Yep. The primary limitation of DSL is line loss. If I am the provider, I can set your cap at 3 mbps (for example) at the point of presence (POP). But the ultimate arbiters of your speed are going to be determined by loop quality. If you have a crappy loop to begin with, or if you are a long distance from the POP, you aren't going to get 3 mbps. When it rains, with aerial cable, some things in the system sometimes, well, leak. Mostly the telco has this under control. Sometimes it doesn't. A telco won't sell DSL to a subscriber beyond 18K feet from the POP. If they do they're behaving irresponsibly, because the physical limitations of the network are such that it can't be supported with any reasonable QOS at that distance, even with a perfect loop (which exists only in OZ). I have one question for Paula. Are you in Verizon territory? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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don't believe what you wrote is 100% true. OK, it wasn't a tutorial in network topology. :-) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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What can happen with copper pairs is that interference (water, squirrels chewing, corrosion, etc.) or noise causes damaged and or dropped packets, and these create requests for re-sends of those packets. So your throughput in terms of packets per second goes down, which is interpreted by the measurement applications as reduced line speed. I have a suspicion that this is what is happening. When the service was downgraded to a lower speed it continued to be a fraction of the rated speed. Normally, DSL should not do that. This implies that some bandwidth is being consumed by NACs. The speed measuring sites do not seem to register NACs. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I decided to go ahead and set up the ATT DSL and see if I liked it. I had signed up for the elite service which was to give me up to 6000kb/s. Of course she didn't tell me up to but said I'd get 6000 kb/s. I managed to figure out how to turn off the wireless in the ATT modem so I could continue to use my Apple Airport Extreme. It took me all day and part of the evening but I finally had all the computers in the house connected and everyone getting their email...no small thing for me as we get mail from multiple sources and none of them initially would come in with their old settings. My husband who is totally tech ignorant was ranting and raving something about why can't I just leave things alone. ;-) So it was a tense day to say the least but I did get it all figured out. Then I started testing the speed I was getting and it was wy below what she said I would get and was paying extra for...I was only getting 3000 kb/s. She said I should get between 3500 to 6000 kb/s and that maybe I should just downgrade to the next lowest level whose high speed was 3000 kb/s so I'd get the fastest level of that. OK. I did so. Then a few hours later, I was running more tests and the speed was only 1200 to 2200 kb/s in a level that was to guarantee me 1500-3000. From the reading I was doing on DSLreports, it appears they can turn up and down your speed remotely? So would they deliberately make it so you only got the bottom of the level you paid for? Would threatening to cancel make them give me what I paid for? Jim just came out and told me that some video clips that he had been able to play before now tell him that we don't have enough speed for them to play correctlyand they play very jerky. He's definitely not happy and neither am I. I feel like we're getting jerked around with this speed thing. So, I decided to hook the comcast cable back up and unplug the dsl. The cable modem shows activity but I can no longer connect to the internet. I even turned off the wireless and plugged the cable directly into the Mac Pro.shows ethernet is on but no connection. Then I plugged it directly into my laptopsame thing. So the cable, which had been working just fine is now useless and the DSL is too slow for what we need it to do. Besides just bitching and unloading my frustration on here, I am asking for some simple explanation of how these two forms of internet connection work differently and how I can go about getting the cable modem to go back out to the 'net again. Do I have to get down on my knees and cry and beg Comcast to come fix it and promise never to cheat on them again? Can you not have both DSL and cable connections in the same house even if on separate machines? I'm sitting here in Broadband Hell , watching the freezing rain fall on the 1 of snow we got this a.m. and feeling sorry for myself. I have to stop and remember that Tulsa has had no electricity for a week and are getting bombarded yet again. So feel free to smack me upside the head and tell me to get over it! g But if you can get my cable to work again on even one machine I'd be s grateful. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
You can have both, but after the AT$T experience I'd say dump it. The problems you are having are not unusual..AT$T's motto is 'we aren't happy till you aren't happy.' I didn't make that up, I stole it from a podcast. If your cable modem is like mine it has several lights. One of them should be CABLE or some such. It shows you actually have a connection to comcast. If this is not lit, you will most likely have to call comcast. If it is lit, then try changing cables from the cable modem to the computer. Stay connected directly to the cable modem till you figure out your problem as to not add to it by adding other thing that could be having issues. Try leaving the computer off, unplug the power on the cable modem and leave it off a few minutes, plug it back in and see if the cable light comes on and stays on. Once it's on, turn the computer on and try it. Mike On Dec 15, 2007 2:52 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to go ahead and set up the ATT DSL and see if I liked it. I had signed up for the elite service which was to give me up to 6000kb/s. Of course she didn't tell me up to but said I'd get 6000 kb/s. I managed to figure out how to turn off the wireless in the ATT modem so I could continue to use my A. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Paula, For getting cable set back up, here are some thoughts for simple steps: 1. Turn off the Cable Modem. 2. Turn off the Apple Airport Extreme router. 3. Turn on the Cable Modem. 4. Look for the Cable Modem light to indicate it is connected. On mine, it is the cable light of the four. 5. Then turn on the router. 6. Reset your connection to the router and see if you are on the Internet now. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
Mike said: .AT$T's motto is 'we aren't happy till you aren't happy.' Funny but sad. I will say that everyone I worked with was very nice and tried hard to make sure everything was going as it should...tho they did screw up the initial order requiring me to cancel everything and start over again with more time on the phone. Tom P said: If you reprogrammed your AirPort router to log you in via the DSL modem it will no longer have the settings to connect you through the cable modem. So, no, it is not as simple as just moving the wire from the DSL modem to the cable modem. I turned off all the routers and other equipment except the cable modem which I plugged straight into my laptop and it did show it was connected but wouldn't go to the 'net. However, I did just unplug the modem and computer and left them off for a while. I just restarted and I have a cable connection now on the laptop using the ethernet cable. So I was able to test my cable speed on there. What I have found is that the 3 different testing web sites I used all gave me very different numbers so I still have no idea what I'm actually getting. The ATT speed test site had me testing the fastest both on DSL and cable : DSL: Download between 2200-2500 kbps; upload between 640-660 kbps Cable: Download 20.114 mbps Upload 1.590 mbps The Test My connection site that Tom recommended: Varied widely depending on location it went to. The Washington DC site was twice as fast as Chicago. DSL Chicago Download 770 kbps to 1.o9 Mbps; Upload around 645 kbps WA DC download 2.85 Mbps Upload 648 kbps Cable: Chicago download 2.93 Mbps Upload 1.59 Mbps WA DC download 5.49 Mbps Upload 1.59 mbps The DSLreports site DSL Download 1630 kbsp Upload 580 kbps Cable download 11249 kbps Upload 1542 kbps So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. I have absolutely no qualifications in this, but only what I've been told. Cable works in blocks and depending on how many people are connected to your block at the time you are surfing, or whatever, will depend on your speed. I live in a small city of about 200,000 and the block is probably about 1 square mile. In a large city like New York the block could be one building. Anyway, the DSL providers I've talked to said (or tried to sell me on) that DSL is a constant speed, while cable fluctuates. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know, but we get bad weather here and it always seems to happen. I did switch over from cable TV to Direct TV and had to go out and brush off my disk. It was caked in snow and interrupting the signal. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. Jeff M On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Paula Minor wrote: So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update
I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. Cable uses a first come first served model of delivery. Telcos usually use a capped bandwidth, or a you get what you pay for model. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know. More people are online in the winter. It tends to saturate the head end of a cable service. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. It isn't. They operate over landline, coax instead of twisted pair as is increasingly becoming uncommon with telcos. - Original Message - From: Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re: [CGUYS] ATT DSL ok? Update I'm the furthest from an expert, but in the past have dabbled in both the DSL and Cable. I've stuck with cable. I have absolutely no qualifications in this, but only what I've been told. Cable works in blocks and depending on how many people are connected to your block at the time you are surfing, or whatever, will depend on your speed. I live in a small city of about 200,000 and the block is probably about 1 square mile. In a large city like New York the block could be one building. Anyway, the DSL providers I've talked to said (or tried to sell me on) that DSL is a constant speed, while cable fluctuates. I've seen the slow down on cable and found it usually is in the winter months. What this has to do with it I don't know, but we get bad weather here and it always seems to happen. I did switch over from cable TV to Direct TV and had to go out and brush off my disk. It was caked in snow and interrupting the signal. While I know cable companies receive their signals over satellite, I don't know if this is how they transmit their web service. Jeff M On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Paula Minor wrote: So, I have no idea what to do now. I have a little less than 30 days to decide if I'm going to keep DSL. If I go back to Comcast I have to figure out how to get my router to work with it again and change all the email settings. UGH. But it does appear that , right now at least, Comcast is considerably fastertho at times it seems to crawl along. Do those of you with more experience in this area have any thoughts or opinions? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
