Right. I don't know what the Dock does when it gets full. When
you've got more icons than can fit in a given space (vertical or
horizontal). Do the icons shrink to make more room? start a second row?
They shrink.
I like mine on the right.
Humans eyes scan better in the horizontal plane. Maybe
Quoting Jordan jor17...@gmail.com:
Right. I don't know what the Dock does when it gets full. When
you've got more icons than can fit in a given space (vertical or
horizontal). Do the icons shrink to make more room? start a second
row?
They shrink.
I like mine on the right.
Humans
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
Tom. I tried it. The icons bounce a different direction. Big deal.
The right click menu is the same. I see no difference.
Biased observer.
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Anyone who doesn't back Tom's fascist OS view is biased. Get in line you
dolts!
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
Tom. I tried it. The icons bounce a different direction. Big deal. The
right click menu is the same. I
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
Tom. I tried it. The icons bounce a different direction. Big deal.
The right click menu is the same. I see no difference.
Biased observer.
Do you treat your customers with such contempt? How do you even still
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com:
Anyone who doesn't back Tom's fascist OS view is biased. Get in line you
dolts!
I don't even care about OS. I'm not even asking about TaskBar. I just
want to know what it is about putting the Dock on the side that works
so much better. I'll never get an
Quoting Reid Katan ka...@his.com:
BTW, notice that Jeff Wright finally got tired of Tom's shit. I haven't
seen him around for a while.
Oops. That not supposed to be a command that everyone take note.
Here's what it's *supposed* to say:
BTW, *I* notice that Jeff Wright finally got tired of
Quoting db db...@att.net:
But only a few saw any sense in what I was asking / saying... I got a
whole lot of Mac indignation and we're too smart for such / how stupid
are you to be wanting / asking for such.
Not exactly an uplifting conversation for me
Yeah, well, The List has a
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Why not just check the check box that OS X provides to disable that
function?
Of course then there would be nothing to whine about!
Eh, what box do I check that lets me to click the bottom or edges of
the screen to cause the dock
On Dec 21, 2009, at 9:50 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
What made you think I was whining? I was simply describing
something available under OS 9 that could be seen as working better
than a similar arrangement in OS X.
OS 9 did not have that function. It had the Launcher, which was much
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
OS 9 did not have that function. It had the Launcher, which was much less
capable than the Dock. Maybe this will give you some perspective...
Hey, I said the dock-like utility that ran under OS 9 was not coded
by Apple, but was
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
about what is already there, but I think if you approach this with an
open mind you will find that the Dock really works very well. It is
best located it on the left (or right) and kept visible. That is how
most heavy users use it.
Pardon the noob question, but
It doesn't make it better, which is to say it might make it better for you,
but not everyone. I didn't like it on the sides, bottom or the top for me.
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
about what is already there, but I think if you
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
Pardon the noob question, but what about placing the Dock on the left or
right makes it any better?
It would probably minimize the chance that the dock, if hidden,
would become visible if accidentally activated while navigating
Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
Pardon the noob question, but what about placing the Dock on the left or
right makes it any better?
but that ain't me, so I keep mine at the bottom because I am used to
that
On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:27 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
It is said that a heavy user may want the dock to the right or
left of the screen. I dunno exactly what a heavy user is
This is looking more and more like the well-known PBCAK situation.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:23 PM, db db...@att.net wrote:
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad
points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty.
You had mentioned the OS X dock, usually located at the bottom of
the screen, and how it is often
t.piwowar wrote:
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:23 PM, db wrote:
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's
OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the
IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and
the system remains
Quoting db db...@att.net:
Not that the Mac Dock, Finder and Menu systems don't work. They do
but in my opinion, they just don't work as well as they easily could at
this point in the dev cycle. They particularly don't work as well as
they should for newbies ... whose icons and menus and
On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
You had mentioned the OS X dock, usually located at the bottom of
the screen, and how it is often activated accidentally while
navigating open windows. In OS 9, there was, and still is, a little
third-party application that launched at
On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:59 AM, db wrote:
Not that the Mac Dock, Finder and Menu systems don't work. They do
but in my opinion, they just don't work as well as they easily could
at this point in the dev cycle. They particularly don't work as
well as they should for newbies ... whose icons
Yes... it's been a pretty long string.
Only the Dock icons go poof but uninitiated Mac users have trouble
figuring out why the menu bar has changed suddenly on them (poof!) ...
and why sometimes there are icons on the dock for windows etc and
sometimes there aren't (poof!).
I was
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:55 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH
larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much
rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more
Quoting db db...@att.net:
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their
proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.
Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation.
I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are
unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
Quoting db db...@att.net:
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over
Innovation by definition happens in new areas ...
Given the same environment, I don't think you can significantly keep
developing something indefinitely. Eventually, ingenuity and options
have run their course.
Quill pens were replaced by pencils and pens ... they didn't keep
experimenting
I was listening to a radio program on NPR the other day where they
talked about the problem with setting standards.
The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old
standard SDTV. Not much progress is there.
When you set some standards innovation seems to lag.
People are
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard
SDTV. Not much progress is there.
Considering the quality of programs on TV, for the most part, why
would anyone anguish over the
Indeed.
I do find myself glued to Dexter however.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM, phartz...@gmail.com
phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard
I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles
and government and WM.
To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product
from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature?
Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were
probably
My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they
are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years
because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because
no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable.
Monocultures are almost always bad. Besides, without Macs, who would
Microsoft copy? With one OS and limited software, there are a lot of
tasks--and games--that won't get done as well as with several operating
systems and a variety of software.
You are wrong about government. YOU/WE are the
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS
bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT
literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the
system remains unaccountable.
With some of the name calling and righteous huffing
In politics and computers, too many feel a different view is stupidity and
not just a different view.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, db db...@att.net wrote:
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad
points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If
Before we keep knocking the PO let us remember. They are mandated by
the government to deliver mail to each and every household in the
US. Plus they have to do this at the same price point no matter what.
They are not allowed to manage themselves.
Now this does not excuse misalignment, and
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
You are wrong about government. YOU/WE are the government. When
elected representatives don't behave, fire them--vote for someone
who's better--campaign, inform if you have to do that. If government
is unaccountable, it's the fault of people who
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:14 PM, mike wrote:
My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too
big they
are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched
for years
because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap
because
no matter what they
You mean like the ordinary citizens?? Heaven forbid!
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Constant denigration of government is a strategy designed to discourage as
many citizens as possible from participating. That makes it easier for
private interests to control
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:23 PM, db wrote:
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's
OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If
the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be
fixed and the system remains unaccountable.
Except
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough
experience to get *started* using a computer.
But what is the right computer OS
I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH
larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much
rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more
broadly based education in general will help them in many areas.
On
On Dec 18, 2009, at 8:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
But what is the right computer OS to learn? Should school systems
teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is
what is preferred by most businesses? That seems to currently be the
case as schools appear to be
I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore. More important at school is
learning how, why they work. For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars. Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.
Thank
And they rant and they rave about how awful the machine is. Not
realizing it is something they did to make it behave that way.
I have that occur around me all the time.
My simple answer is stop what you are doing. Unless you want to
learn how to fix it yourself, stop the ranting and the
I sometimes wear a tee shirt I got years ago from Sun that says, No, I
will not fix your computer in bold lettering.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
And they rant and they rave about how awful the machine is. Not
realizing it is something they did to make it behave that way.
I thought you originally were in IT when you worked with mainframes?
db
b_s-wilk wrote:
And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who
loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect
everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the
rest
People think completely differently and have patience and time for
different kinds of things.
I am constantly seeing hoards of people who are in the ditch with
their computer as soon as anything departs from the narrow path they
have for email, browsing, uploading their pics to the camera
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their
proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.
db
phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no*
The young will learn both and as they do proprietary designs will become
meaningless and disappear like vestigial organs.
The power of proprietary designs is dividing the market for market share
purposes. Once they don't accomplish that mission they are just an
expense to be unnecessarily
Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore. More important at school is
learning how, why they work. For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars. Therefore, when something behaves
Faulty logic...we all know how to drive cars because we want to go places.
Not because they are all the same. By this logic everyone should know how
to change the oil or a tire...but they don't.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM, db db...@att.net wrote:
Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
I think
Yes want is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and
uncool etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor.
We can afford to pay for the oil or tire but few can afford to pay for a
driver.
Likewise with a computer. Few can afford secretaries but they can
afford to
If their gains in the market is 'shooting themselves in the foot' God give
me that kind of gun.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:56 PM, db db...@att.net wrote:
Yes want is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and
uncool etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor.
We can
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:23 PM, db wrote:
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their
proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.
WFB paradise? WFBs dream of the day when Joe Stalin will rise again
and command Soviet-style uniformity. Mac users will huddle in
Funny how the lefties like Tom who really *did* back stalin push him off on
others...
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 18, 2009, at 2:23 PM, db wrote:
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their
proprietaryness and look and work essentially
I thought you originally were in IT when you worked with mainframes?
I was an art major in college. I took programming [Fortran--Cobol might
have been better for Y2K] because it looked like plotting and drawing
would eventually be done on computers, and because artists are
independent
I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends,
not so important at school anymore. More important at school is
learning how, why they work. For too many people, computers are magic,
like cars. Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no
clue.
Do
Yes want is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and uncool
etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor.
We can afford to pay for the oil or tire but few can afford to pay for a driver.
Most of my friends when I was in high school could change oil or change
a tire
I've been using XP for years in my office and still am (they will
upgrade to W7 in about 2012), but had never used Help. I tried each of
the methods suggested and they work. I wouldn't have known, though
without the suggestions. I have no idea how a newbie would guess them.
Finding help on the
My (company's) HP laptop keyboard (built-in and external) just have F1.
Nothing says Help on it. When I click Start on the taskbar, I did see
Help and Support near Log Off and Shut Down, but I did have to look for
it.
Office 2007 had enough annoying changes to make me hunt around to find
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:29 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Nope. Not entertainment, but everything you need to do in life. They got
your music. They got your cell phone. They got your pocket computer. And
soon everything you need to read will be on the iPad. All one seamless
integrated
Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es:
Window's windows have Help on the menu bar too. Turns out, you
can't hide/minimize *all* your windows in OSX anyway. Just tried it
with Com-H and no matter what window way last, it wouldn't go
away. Maybe there are other ways to do it, but. . .
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:23 PM, db wrote:
1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof
them
Set up a managed account and uncheck the box for Can modify the
Dock.
2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window
running whether it is maximized or not.
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
These are after market keyboards not the cheap included in a package
ones.
Not on my fancy KeyTronic event though it has a row of auxilary
buttons for volume, mute, video controls, calculator, mail, etc. etc.
On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:46 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
Start on the taskbar, I did see Help and Support near Log Off and
Shut Down, but I did have to look for it.
Not on my PC. When I started to type help as instructed here it
launched Roxio CD Creator. Why?
On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:52 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I being instructed by Apple Corp. as to what I need to do in
life? I don't need their help to figure that out. This boy does not
need music on the go. He may enjoy it thusly, but not nearly so much
as when he is at home with his
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:17 PM, db wrote:
So no matter what I am willing or not willing to do for myself... I
still constantly struggle with people who are struggling with these
OSX (and increasing Win... ) issues I mentioned.
I find that reading Apple's HDI docs is a useful place for an
On Dec 16, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Reid Katan wrote:
Frankly, I don't see how a noob is going to make the connection in
OSX to click on an oval shaped white spot at the top right of the
Finder window and type help into that.
Frankly, I don't know why anyone would do that. That would be a silly
I doubt they cared, google search on a windows box is horrible. It's slow,
and the results are usually too stinted to matter. The built in search and
also that third party utility I use do the same as search in OSX, begin
giving you results as you type, the more you type the narrower the results
You might have known if you were looking for it. You said you never even
looked for it, I'm not sure how someone looking could miss the HELP in every
application window and the HELP in the start menu. I mean start -- help.
It's not that hard.
BTW, I've known too many mac users to believe
b_s-wilk wrote:
1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof
them
2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window
running whether it is maximized or not.
Is your dock at the bottom of the screen? I've never poofed icons
from the dock when it's on the
No, I meant I never looked for the Help menu in XP. Since it is a
company-configured OS, I had to look to see if it was there on this
laptop. Since I never looked for it, I had no idea how to find it.
I've known forever (since 1980's) where help was in Mac OS then OS X.
Any sited person who can
Right, just as any sighted person can't miss it in windows..
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote:
No, I meant I never looked for the Help menu in XP. Since it is a
company-configured OS, I had to look to see if it was there on this
laptop.
It has been known since the creation of Windows 95 that pressing the
F1 key brings up help.
At one time CHM files were also help files.
Stewart
At 12:11 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
No, I meant I never looked for the Help menu in XP. Since it is a
company-configured OS, I had to look to see
Use Exposé to see or hide all windows.
Nobody but the IT educated know what Expose is... where it is ... nor how to
use it. It's one of the cludges I was referring to. Obviously it was
developed because Apple was aware of the problem / need but they could have
done that by fixing the Finder
b_s-wilk wrote:
Use Exposé to see or hide all windows.
Nobody but the IT educated know what Expose is... where it is ... nor
how to use it. It's one of the cludges I was referring to.
Obviously it was developed because Apple was aware of the problem /
need but they could have done that by
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
The Dock normally displays an icon for every application, click on the
icon to get a list of windows for that application. That does the job
quite well. Your insisting that it has to function exactly in a
particular way is like insisting that your MP3 player has to
And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who loves to learn
this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect everyone else to be like
them is the big geek disconnect that the rest of the world wonders about and
makes fun of.
I'm not in IT.
I'm an artist who has
Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es:
And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who
loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect
everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the
rest of the world wonders about and makes fun of.
b_s-wilk wrote:
And the newer Mac add-ons to expose the desktop, find the current
window, find all the windows, switch windows, more easlily find your
program executable are laboriously clumsy and cluged work-arounds
that could just be solved by fixing the instruments that were
originally
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com:
Odd because I found the opposite. I didn't find myself looking for
anything. Do you have any examples of what you noticed? My wife too is on
7, I installed it one day while she was gone, after two days I finally asked
her if she liked it was having
Right, I can see the control panel issue, they took them and grouped em in
Vista and it's not clear how to ungroup them in 7. Network
adapters...still available in the system tray. I think part of windows
problem is there are sixteen ways to do anything, perhaps they changed one
way but that's
OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were always intended to be in terms of function.
Interesting.
The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it is,
figure out why the
It's like they *tried* to make it as hard as they could.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Quark XPress = user hostile.
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:10 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or
Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were
always intended to be in terms of function.
Interesting.
The only time I
I'm just talking because someone brought the subject up. Why do I
bring it up?
On this list I am more and more constantly filtering out WFB / MFB back
and forth yadda yadda, Yes it is ... no it isn't ya duffas, slam /
counterslam strings that mostly lack any technical substance and are
On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:10 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:
The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it
is, figure out why the WiFi isn't working, and to click on Start to
shut down the computer.
I agree about the standard Windows Taskbar, but when much better when
I put it on the
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Quark XPress = user hostile.
I take it that you are an InDesign user? I think Quark made a much
better analysis, with better success, at managing the complexity of a
modern page layout application than Adobe did. If you
On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote:
So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and
experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are
surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like
changed.
I'm particularly disappointed that this
On Dec 16, 2009, at 2:20 AM, db wrote:
This would be one of them in my opinion. If you have ever tried to
train someone on a Mac / be responsible for their learning curve and
competency you would know why the Mac menu bar design leaves
something to desired.
I've run a computer training
Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the
os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock
better? This is the kind of stuff he was talking about earlier, he voices
some opinions and complaints etc, and he gets told to shut it and he's wrong
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no
windows open?
I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click
the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to
shut down, but if you want to start doing
Hit start and type HELP...that works.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no
windows open?
I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the
Try F1.
Stewart
At 04:32 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote:
Hit start and type HELP...that works.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote:
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com:
So how do you tell them to access the help menu when there are no
windows open?
I know I'm biased by
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Try F1.
What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob.
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On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:32 PM, mike wrote:
Hit start and type HELP...that works.
So you are sending a confused noob to a command line interface? That
is rich.
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On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Reid Katan wrote:
I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click
the Start button. Sure, it seems odd to push the Start button to
shut down, but if you want to start doing something. . .
Okay, I pressed Start. A whole bunch of stuff
F1 is the universal help key in Windows.
Press F! and it always brings up help.
Stewart
At 05:53 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote:
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Try F1.
What does that mean? You need to supply an explanation for a noob.
On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:06 PM, mike wrote:
Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful
than the
os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock
better?
Someone asking a question will get an answer.
Someone posting a long list of gripes will get an
Where does it say help on a mac? Or are we using two different standards as
usual?
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Reid Katan wrote:
I know I'm biased by knowing already, but my guess would be to click the
Start button. Sure, it seems
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