Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
M$ cares little about new hardware; they tell you when to buy new M$ software, what they make. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- HUH? MS never tells anyone what they have to buy. I think the 1 Ghz processor speed for 7 is quite low. I have a couple of those still around but they are old! I bought an Emachine for my daughter in 03 and it was a 2 Ghz. (Which makes it 6 years old) I know folks that have just upgraded to XP from 98SE. It is the software vendors that normally require you to upgrade your OS as they will no longer support or sell upgrades that will work with your old OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: What I was trying to get at is very often specialized software does not upgrade as fast as OS's do. When my wife worked at a newspaper they still ran one of the first Mac's as that is what the specialized software was written for. They ran an all Mac office, but still kept this original (I think it was what you call a 512KB) That was the second itteration of Mac. I had an original 128K Mac from school and upgraded it up to a Mac Plus. It ran the last time I tried it but it fell off the upgrade trail around System 7 and I had some software that wanted system 8. I have a really bad Performa Mac that was qualified as a road apple- not a good thing. It sort of runs System 9. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become less useful as things change, such as faster interfaces. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- What is an acceptable time frame for leaving hardware behind? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become less useful as things change, such as faster interfaces. I have to keep an older computer around because it has a serial port that is needed to drive my plotter/cutter. Could I get another newer plotter/cutter that uses USB instead of a serial interface. Yes, but only if I am anxious to go deeply into debt. Keeping the older computer is costing me nothing. The maker of my plotter/cutter is not going to produce a a USB driver for this older device, so a serial to USB conversion cable will not do the trick. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Okay, so your peripheral (due to your budget) is driving your decision to keep longer than you otherwise would. Hope you're saving to eventually replace that old plotter/cutter... It will go some day. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I have to keep an older computer around because it has a serial port that is needed to drive my plotter/cutter. Could I get another newer plotter/cutter that uses USB instead of a serial interface. Yes, but only if I am anxious to go deeply into debt. Keeping the older computer is costing me nothing. The maker of my plotter/cutter is not going to produce a a USB driver for this older device, so a serial to USB conversion cable will not do the trick. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Schools are notorious for keeping their equipment much longer. However here is a twist. Very often companies will buy new equipment but put legacy OS's on them because their applications or the vendor of their applications are behind the curve in getting their systems to run on the new OS's. I remember putting in new hardware in a Veterinary Clinic in early 01/02. Vendor of the software insisted on 98SE even though XP was running pretty good by then. This is not uncommon. That is why Windows is still overing and will continue to offer and downgrade license for XP/Vista with the new 7. (Although I doubt many will go for the Vista one) Stewart At 06:58 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become less useful as things change, such as faster interfaces. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
have you tried the USB to serial conversion kits? They do not require a USB driver for the printer end. You install the USB/Serial convertor and set up the Serial end to communicate with your device. Stewart At 07:19 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become less useful as things change, such as faster interfaces. I have to keep an older computer around because it has a serial port that is needed to drive my plotter/cutter. Could I get another newer plotter/cutter that uses USB instead of a serial interface. Yes, but only if I am anxious to go deeply into debt. Keeping the older computer is costing me nothing. The maker of my plotter/cutter is not going to produce a a USB driver for this older device, so a serial to USB conversion cable will not do the trick. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Mark this is not at all uncommon as OS and hardware manufacturers do not take into account what some equipment requires and costs. These plotters have not gone down in price along with most other peripherals. They also get much harder to find so their prices actually go up. Have you priced a Dot Matrix printer lately? Yes they are still in use. Banks/Credit Unions and some other vendors still use them a lot. For what it costs for a Dot Matrix I can buy a sweet laser or a business class inkjet. Stewart At 07:45 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: Okay, so your peripheral (due to your budget) is driving your decision to keep longer than you otherwise would. Hope you're saving to eventually replace that old plotter/cutter... It will go some day. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Reverend, Reverting to previous OS versions is more of a Windows thing; it is not as common in OS X, except for some specialized software packages that are not yet supported in a new version of OS X. Apple, however, does not sell previous versions of OS X, people get that from third party venders. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Schools are notorious for keeping their equipment much longer. However here is a twist. Very often companies will buy new equipment but put legacy OS's on them because their applications or the vendor of their applications are behind the curve in getting their systems to run on the new OS's. I remember putting in new hardware in a Veterinary Clinic in early 01/02. Vendor of the software insisted on 98SE even though XP was running pretty good by then. This is not uncommon. That is why Windows is still overing and will continue to offer and downgrade license for XP/Vista with the new 7. (Although I doubt many will go for the Vista one) Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become less useful as things change, such as faster interfaces. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- What is an acceptable time frame for leaving hardware behind? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Hooey. My two Macs are both over four years old. The older one runs 10.3.9, the other runs 10.5. No plans to upgrade further until I decide to replace the older computer. My closet computer, a 12-13 year old model, still runs OS 9 and works fine. The cut-off for 10.6 is based on CPU; it requires a Mac with an Intel processor. Mac OS 10.5 has a relatively modest minimum CPU speed. Apple will support 10.5 until they release 10.7. Where is Apple telling me my computer is too old? Apple is trying to tempt me to buy a newer model, not telling me I _must_ buy the newest anything. That is a M$ model. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
What I was trying to get at is very often specialized software does not upgrade as fast as OS's do. When my wife worked at a newspaper they still ran one of the first Mac's as that is what the specialized software was written for. They ran an all Mac office, but still kept this original (I think it was what you call a 512KB) Stewart At 10:52 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: Reverend, Reverting to previous OS versions is more of a Windows thing; it is not as common in OS X, except for some specialized software packages that are not yet supported in a new version of OS X. Apple, however, does not sell previous versions of OS X, people get that from third party venders. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. Stewart At 10:55 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
No, it must be an Intel CPU to run Snow Leopard. Leopard (10.5) will run on both processors. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
HUH? MS never tells anyone what they have to buy. I think the 1 Ghz processor speed for 7 is quite low. I have a couple of those still around but they are old! I bought an Emachine for my daughter in 03 and it was a 2 Ghz. (Which makes it 6 years old) I know folks that have just upgraded to XP from 98SE. It is the software vendors that normally require you to upgrade your OS as they will no longer support or sell upgrades that will work with your old OS. Stewart At 11:25 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: Hooey. My two Macs are both over four years old. The older one runs 10.3.9, the other runs 10.5. No plans to upgrade further until I decide to replace the older computer. My closet computer, a 12-13 year old model, still runs OS 9 and works fine. The cut-off for 10.6 is based on CPU; it requires a Mac with an Intel processor. Mac OS 10.5 has a relatively modest minimum CPU speed. Apple will support 10.5 until they release 10.7. Where is Apple telling me my computer is too old? Apple is trying to tempt me to buy a newer model, not telling me I _must_ buy the newest anything. That is a M$ model. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Same thing. The only Intel Mac's are the Intel CPU Mac's. Stewart At 11:52 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: No, it must be an Intel CPU to run Snow Leopard. Leopard (10.5) will run on both processors. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
What he means is: Leopard (10.5.X) will run on a Power PC (867MHz+ G4 or higher) or Intel Mac Snow Leopard (10.6.X) will only run on an Intel Mac (1GHz min.) I understand your confusion on the semantics and cat names, though. ; ) Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Same thing. The only Intel Mac's are the Intel CPU Mac's. Stewart At 11:52 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: No, it must be an Intel CPU to run Snow Leopard. Leopard (10.5) will run on both processors. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
It is all cat games. Stewart At 12:24 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: What he means is: Leopard (10.5.X) will run on a Power PC (867MHz+ G4 or higher) or Intel Mac Snow Leopard (10.6.X) will only run on an Intel Mac (1GHz min.) I understand your confusion on the semantics and cat names, though. ; ) Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Same thing. The only Intel Mac's are the Intel CPU Mac's. Stewart At 11:52 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: No, it must be an Intel CPU to run Snow Leopard. Leopard (10.5) will run on both processors. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
That is all BS. When they introduce a new OS they are usually taking advantage of new hardware features that are available. I get a little tired of the snide off hand remarks that have no basis in reality. It has been pointed out numerous times (And you and a few other have seen to ignore it.) MS is a software company they introduce new OS's based on perceived needs Apple is a Hardware company that releases OS based on their own hardware advances. Since MS does not control the hardware end of it, they develop based on what is there. Since MS is a software company they can control their software best. So they sell releases when they sell releases. To be honest I have been running a Vista laptop for the past month and do not a huge problem with Vista. (This only has Basic on it.) I would be happy with XP through if they never releases a new OS. But I am aware that as hardware advances they will want to write a new OS to take advantage of the new capabilities of that hardware. Stewart At 12:15 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: M$ cares little about new hardware; they tell you when to buy new M$ software, what they make. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
No, 10.5 (Leopard) will run on PowerPC or Intel models; 10.6 (Snow Leopard) only runs on Intel CPU models. Not the same thing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Same thing. The only Intel Mac's are the Intel CPU Mac's. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:15:11 -0500, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: M$ cares little about new hardware; they tell you when to buy new M$ software, what they make. I don't mean to jump into your intellectual conversation here, but I have yet to be visited by the Microsoft Police telling me that it I *have to* upgrade my Win2000 machine to something more current. Should I be worried? -- R:\katan LET'S GO METS!! LET'S GO METS!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Hooey? And then you go and make my point and not even notice. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Hooey. My two Macs are both over four years old. The older one runs 10.3.9, the other runs 10.5. No plans to upgrade further until I decide to replace the older computer. My closet computer, a 12-13 year old model, still runs OS 9 and works fine. The cut-off for 10.6 is based on CPU; it requires a Mac with an Intel processor. Mac OS 10.5 has a relatively modest minimum CPU speed. Apple will support 10.5 until they release 10.7. Where is Apple telling me my computer is too old? Apple is trying to tempt me to buy a newer model, not telling me I _must_ buy the newest anything. That is a M$ model. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
As others have pointed out, no one is being forced to buy new hardware. Our older computers haven't lost any of their capabilities because Snow Leopard has come out. It makes just as much sense to rail about being made to buy a new computer because you want to use 4GB of ram and your old one maxes out at 512K, or because you want to add a 500GB hard drive and your old machine's hard drive controller won't recognize more than 130GB. The same for USB 1 vs. 2, IDE vs. SATA, we all could continue the list ourselves for quite a while. I don't see that the fact that these are hardware modifications rather than a software one changes the issue. On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:mike xha...@gmail.com No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Are you so certain hw innovations are driving sw development?I would be happy with XP through if they never releases a new OS. But I am aware that as hardware advances they will want to write a new OS to take advantage of the new capabilities of that hardware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
The only time I am forced to buy new hardware is when my dies. (Or I screw up like bending the pins on a CPU.) Recently I have recycled some old computers for folks who have need of a new machine because theirs died (for whatever reason) It could be bad HD (I swap out HD's) or a bad board, (I swap out machines) These are not the latest or greatest, and most of them are 4-6 years old. When I see someone getting rid of machine simply because they have upgraded or a component went bad, I ask if I can have the machine then I do what I can and make it usable. In many cases I get next to nothing for them and am just glad I was able to help someone get back up and running again. Stewart At 03:55 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: As others have pointed out, no one is being forced to buy new hardware. Our older computers haven't lost any of their capabilities because Snow Leopard has come out. It makes just as much sense to rail about being made to buy a new computer because you want to use 4GB of ram and your old one maxes out at 512K, or because you want to add a 500GB hard drive and your old machine's hard drive controller won't recognize more than 130GB. The same for USB 1 vs. 2, IDE vs. SATA, we all could continue the list ourselves for quite a while. I don't see that the fact that these are hardware modifications rather than a software one changes the issue. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
I just read an article on Snow Leopard (To distinguish it from Leopard) And in it, it stated that Snow will better make use of Dual/Quad core CPU's and help software better utilize the processors capabilities. It also said it will use it's OS to better use teh CPU's of Video Cards which have become very powerful on their own. Read this article to see what I am talking about. http://earthlink.com.com/8301-30685_3-10319839-264.html?part=earthlink Stewart At 04:01 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: Are you so certain hw innovations are driving sw development?I would be happy with XP through if they never releases a new OS. But I am aware that as hardware advances they will want to write a new OS to take advantage of the new capabilities of that hardware. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: It is called a forced Hardware Upgrade This happens with MS releases also, although they do go further back than Apple does. I still have an old laptop that I could not install ME on as it was not a fast enough processor (I am not sure it would even install 98SE.) I have a couple of machines at home that will not take 7 as they are below the 1 GB processor threshold. Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was never designed for it to begin with. Stewart I have no problem with older to ancient hardware not being able to run modern operating systems that is what LINUX is for. I can't see many sane people complaining that they can't run WIN7 on an old 386. My old HP Pavillion is going on 5 years old and barely runs WIN7 but most of the real problems seem to be running iTunes which soaks up all the processor time it can get on this box. It ran just as slowly on XP. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
What is an acceptable time frame for leaving hardware behind? On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:32 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: It is called a forced Hardware Upgrade This happens with MS releases also, although they do go further back than Apple does. I still have an old laptop that I could not install ME on as it was not a fast enough processor (I am not sure it would even install 98SE.) I have a couple of machines at home that will not take 7 as they are below the 1 GB processor threshold. Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was never designed for it to begin with. Stewart I have no problem with older to ancient hardware not being able to run modern operating systems that is what LINUX is for. I can't see many sane people complaining that they can't run WIN7 on an old 386. My old HP Pavillion is going on 5 years old and barely runs WIN7 but most of the real problems seem to be running iTunes which soaks up all the processor time it can get on this box. It ran just as slowly on XP. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Eric S. Sande wrote: Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was never designed for it to begin with. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Mark Twain Not Mark Twain, but Groucho Marx. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not Mark Twain, but Groucho Marx. You're right, of course. Old age is my defense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
I've read discussion of what you can update with the $30 version of Snow Leopard, but I have a specific question that I'm not sure about and have not seen anything written about. This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? Anyone know how that works? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
I just read in one of the reviews that you can do a full install with this update dvd. One of the advantages of your business being hardware, it makes the licensing of the software much less strict. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I've read discussion of what you can update with the $30 version of Snow Leopard, but I have a specific question that I'm not sure about and have not seen anything written about. This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? Anyone know how that works? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote: This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a clean OS on the internal drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
*However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)* That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just linked it since it was from a known MFB site. Seems they are saying, no indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote: This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a clean OS on the internal drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
...you do not need leopard to install to snow cat rather. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: *However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)* That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just linked it since it was from a known MFB site. Seems they are saying, no indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote: This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a clean OS on the internal drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers... We leave the thieving, lying, cheating to our WFBs. Have you seen the latest ad/demo of Mac's moral superiority? http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac/getamac/2009/apple-mvp-surprise- us-20090824_480x272.mov * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Apple relies on the honor system? There seems to be a discrepancy in this string ... Can you just buy or borrow someone else's Snow Leopard and install it on any Mac or what? db mike wrote: *However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)* That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just linked it since it was from a known MFB site. Seems they are saying, no indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote: This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a clean OS on the internal drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Again Tom misses the point completely. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers... We leave the thieving, lying, cheating to our WFBs. Have you seen the latest ad/demo of Mac's moral superiority? http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac/getamac/2009/apple-mvp-surprise- us-20090824_480x272.mov * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:54 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Apple relies on the honor system? There seems to be a discrepancy in this string ... Can you just buy or borrow someone else's Snow Leopard and install it on any Mac or what? Any Intel Mac. I've heard the argument that Apple would prefer everyone to be current to making tons of money on the software upgrade. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It is called a forced Hardware Upgrade This happens with MS releases also, although they do go further back than Apple does. I still have an old laptop that I could not install ME on as it was not a fast enough processor (I am not sure it would even install 98SE.) I have a couple of machines at home that will not take 7 as they are below the 1 GB processor threshold. Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was never designed for it to begin with. Stewart At 09:33 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote: Any Intel Mac. I've heard the argument that Apple would prefer everyone to be current to making tons of money on the software upgrade. -- John Duncan Yoyo Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You know your life is pretty boring when you start comparing it to a Dog's. Stewart At 10:31 PM 8/29/2009, you wrote: Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Mark Twain Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was never designed for it to begin with. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Mark Twain * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
FYI: Quoted from: http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/08/yes_snow_leopard_includes_anti.php Yes, Snow Leopard Includes Antivirus Even a year or two ago, the inevitable responses on Mac lists to any mention of Mac malware were along the lines of: Mac viruses can't happen and Trojans don't matter Mac users are too smart to fall for social engineering If they do, it's their own fault. Go away and stop bothering me with this stuff. Not listening. La-la-la-la-la... I wonder if some of the CG users were quoted in this article? Rich PS: I still have my Reynolds Wrap hat on but I have changed it for the non-stick variety. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Rich Schinnell wrote: Quoted from: http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/08/yes_snow_leopard_includes_anti.php There are exactly two specimens of malware in the list. Both relying on social engineering for distribution. That's all folks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
