Re: [Cooker] Updated heartbeat, and request
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Mark Watts wrote:
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 3:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 12:39 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
Bret Baptist wrote:
D'Oh, that one seems to be a new addition that wasn't in fact tested.
I've just tested on 8.2 in a chroot with:
%{!?lib: %global lib lib}
%{!?mklibname: %global mklibname(ds)
%lib%{1}%{?2:%{2}}%{?3:_%{3}}%{-s:-static}%{-d:-devel}}
(that's two lines ... in case the last one wrapped to two)
OK we are making progress now. Only issues I am seeing is why would
these be build dependencies?
libgnome32-devel is needed by heartbeat-1.0.2-2mdk
libid3tag0-devel is needed by heartbeat-1.0.2-2mdk
I found the same issue now, I just --nodeps'ed it (libid3tag0-devel is not
in 8.2, I installed the rest painfully with my old 8.2 CDs which I seem to
have written on bad media ...) and it seems to be building OK.
I really can't think why I need half of GNOME installed to build this!
Maybe I will find out some time ;-).
Can we not just update the cooker version to 1.0.4 ? It does fix a
security
issue after all, and also introduces some new functionality that some
of us
want to use...
http://www.linux-ha.org/download/
Done, please test it (I don't use heartbeat - yet ...)
Once I have a clean 9.2 installation, or klama's got a 9.2 chroot, I
will build packages for 9.2.
But, then we need to have a policy for updates to contrib ... and
possibly one on per-release release suffixes or epochs too ...
Regards,
Buchan
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Re: [Cooker] Re: No Subject
sided, margin, tray ... ) and that's all. They don't need to have access to the printer icon when everything is going fine ( i.e when the page is printed ). 2°/ Some computers still have floppy drives and windows still provides easy access to floppy drives. I don't say it should be difficult to access floppy drives, but they should *not* be grouped with files that in many cases are nowhere near the mahine. On top of that for user wanting to save some files it's easier than CDRW ( as a sysadmin i don't want that my users could burn some CDROM ), and cheaper and more common than Zip ! USB flash disks are cheaper (1 floppy drive + 40 floppies is about the price of a 64MB flash disk). 3°/ On workstation it's true that normally a user don't use CDROM ( I even remove CDROM from computers and just let floppy drives for network installation and do everything by network ), but in desktop environment users use CDROM all the time ... in the windows world. Please be more specific. desktop refers to anything besides servers, so in our network we have 60 desktops (you seem to refer to them as workstations, but workstation usually has different connotations. On our 60 desktops, CD-ROMs are almost never used. - Use an encyclopedia - CDROM for installation and sometimes for consultation. - educative CDROM - CDROM for installation and sometimes for usage - gaming - CDROM for instalation and sometimes for gaming - audio - CDROM for audio CD or mp3 CD - Video - CDROM for divx or DVD ( yes sometimes you'd rather burn CD and put them in bag bag with the jacket of the film in order to keep all the divx and freed space from your HD ) Most of these are home uses, not necessarily applicable to all desktop uses. So you have many many possibilities when you could end up using your CDROM in a desktop/normal usage. Sure. But it still doesn't belong in $HOME. Think about a network setup, with NFS homes and remote X. If I have an app running on a remote machine, displaying on my local machine, where would $HOME/cdrom point to? This could be very confusing, as the same location in two different windows is different, with no easy distinction that the location is machine-specific. Linux limited set of available applications that users can buy at WalMart/FNAC/Virgin/... should not hide the fact that one time they will have to install things from foreign sources and that this will be thanks to CDROM 4°/ A good sysadmin provides links on the desktop ( .desktop or symlinks ) to the others NFS share so that the user don't need to browse in order to find the files. When the user is logged, it should directly see where are the files and not have to dig through the FHS to find something. This increase learning curve. I don't think this is ideal (IMHO). Many user work with full-screen windows, and hardly ever see the desktop. So, for Windows we just map drives. But, how is the user supposed to know which drive is which (even with the maximum comment we can fit in)? Under Linux, we just tell them to look in /home (and from there it's much easier than in Windows. But, before you start advocating desktop links everywhere, maybe we need some solution to adding links to user's desktops that will actually work well (ie like Default User profile in Windows). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/u4mqrJK6UGDSBKcRAqGWAJsHBaa9YCtKrNYEzapEhRYKVN3UiACgnhql Znx/l1FFJPN+cERW+c5nMl8= =97vf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Updated heartbeat, and request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bret Baptist wrote: On Tuesday 18 November 2003 4:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Commented out the gnome and id3 stuff, compiled fine. But when I went to install the rpm we made and I get this: Installation failed: rpm-helper is needed by heartbeat-1.0.4-1mdk Can I just nodeps this? For an upgrade, it should be ok (if you manually restart/reload/condrestart heartbeat), for new installs it might not automagically enable heartbeat. rpm-helper provides the scripts used by %_pre_useradd, %_post_service etc, and heartbeat just has a %_post_service and %_preun_service (ie no big deal). If it used a %_pre_useradd it would have been more of an issue. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/u7TVrJK6UGDSBKcRAnxYAJ0RmQX68feFV093PN01TNbiiXDwRACgtMMn mq7gg1ZQmLV2gtAeDVNIWFs= =plPI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Updated heartbeat, and request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Thauvin wrote: No, rpm-helper is a batch of script which install/configure services, users, group, ect... Better, uses urpmi. No rpm-helper on 8.2 (including MNF which I think Bret is using): [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ cat /etc/mandrake-release Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ urpmq mandrake-release -r mandrake-release-8.2-1mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ urpmq rpm-helper no package named rpm-helper Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/u7dlrJK6UGDSBKcRApiYAKCJ2W+pA5xQDA0uPKnSXYD9wTzymACgtmrW qJjF9Xf/7b0PrXWEPZbVTy4= =nzxL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 6389] [mandrake_theme] provide a default background
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [waschk] wrote: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6389 It doesn't always seem to work, as I don't have the /usr/share/mdk/backgrounds//default.png symlink. Some previous versions had bad %postun's, so you might want to --force the current package over itself ... New installations and upgrades from 9.1 should work ok (AFAIK). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/u9AArJK6UGDSBKcRAioMAKDAPGIyR8gx2WNTd1uXwkt3CtGZpgCfdems P98CczI4aCY4WHUzBtG2r5k= =DXDL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Add QA link to all front pages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon Brooks wrote: Quite a common report I get from users is I don't know where to report bugs. An easy way to fix this would be a report bugs link to qa.mandrakesoft.com in the banner which adorns all Mandrake sites, and on the local welcome-to-mandrake page. s/qa.mandrakesoft.com/bugs.mandrakelinux.com/g - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ueAvrJK6UGDSBKcRAnUfAKDIRiQBzs3I/zw7Hv2WUhEo6kAEUQCgkNxm s8aDTaYLiN780OMT0RQ+fIs= =gFHE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: unable to use bewan drivers with 2.4.22-10mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guillaume Rousse wrote: Ainsi parlait Juan Quintela : It appears that your are compiling your drivers agaist a wrong source for some reason. Can you give one address for the drivers, please? You are right, i failed to notice it :-( However, i'd like to know why urpmi kernel-source on a fleshly installed 9.1 download a source different from the installed kernel... urpmi installs the latest kernel-source, but doesn't install the latest kernel and reboot your machine on it for you (would you *really* want this?). The driver package should warn you if the version of the kernel sources doesn't match `uname -r` though (although there are reasons why this would be valid, so it shouldn't exit/error). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ueE0rJK6UGDSBKcRAmuxAKCa+6r9KbPdvA59g456M8t6sJyBGQCeJBAs QWASOq/S/sfe7XPJfefLfOg= =UAID -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] Problems with dependencies in different prefixes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am seeing some problems with dependencies missing on grass built on current cooker (which is why we don't have 5.0.3 in cooker contrib at the moment). For example, compare grass-5.0.3 build on 9.1: $ rpm -qRp RPMS.mdk9.1/i586/grass-5.0.3-1mdk.i586.rpm xterm /bin/sh /bin/sh rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1 ld-linux.so.2 libcrypto.so.0.9.7 libcrypt.so.1 libc.so.6 libdl.so.2 libfftw.so.2 libfreetype.so.6 libgcc_s.so.1 libgdal.1.1.so libgd.so.2 libGL.so.1 libGLU.so.1 libgpm.so.1 libgrass5.so.0 libhistory.so.4.3 libICE.so.6 libjpeg.so.62 libm.so.6 libncurses.so.5 libnsl.so.1 libodbc.so.1 libpng.so.3 libpq.so.3 libpthread.so.0 libreadline.so.4.3 libresolv.so.2 libSM.so.6 libssl.so.0.9.7 libstdc++.so.5 libtcl8.3.so libtermcap.so.2 libtiff.so.3 libtk8.3.so libungif.so.4 libX11.so.6 libXext.so.6 libXm.so.2 libXmu.so.6 libXpm.so.4 libXp.so.6 libXt.so.6 libz.so.1 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) to a package built on cooker from the same SRPM: $ rpm -qRp RPMS.mdk10.0/i586/grass-5.0.3-1mdk.i586.rpm xterm /bin/sh /bin/sh rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) = 4.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1 So, only manual dependencies and pre/post script dependencies are taking effect on cooker. I just rebuilt the grass-5.0.2-1mdk SRPM that is currently in contrib on klama, and again the binary package misses all the automatic deps, while the binary in contrib itself has the correct deps (from when it was built on klama a few months ago). So, something is definitely broken. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uepxrJK6UGDSBKcRAlczAKCKK736tLjk9Ak1W7oPKARGkmHNSACeMIwL SKyC+GwxwX4Xj/UwmU7BOZ0= =wJYL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.6-test8 rpms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thierry Vignaud wrote: Olivier Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can harddrake detect the mouse/keyboard type ? It is easy ? it's not. see: - the issues with detecting the wheel of ps/2 mice Is this still necessary? On the mklivecd list it was mentioned that XFree86 works OK with 'Option Protocol auto on most PS/2 mice. I tested with a number of mice that are normally supported by different protocols (at least the 4 major ones). See https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/minicd-scripts/2003-October/000277.html Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ugN2rJK6UGDSBKcRAnSPAKC+Q004oNyd9zgbZR9fOqqKcJoyhwCeNdHP SVb43tQiGm2MYhSfB/cURfA= =vIMv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Updated heartbeat, and request
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Bret Baptist wrote:
This is the result from rpm --rebuild heartbeat-1.0.2-2mdk.src.rpm:
error: Bad package specification: %package -n %mklibname heartbeat 0
Easy fix (I think)
Add something like this to the top of the spec file:
%{!?mklibname: %define mklibname
%lib%{1}%{?2:%{2}}%{?3:_%{3}}%{-s:-static}%{-d:-devel}}
(that's one line)
This is what I use on samba, and it should still build on 8.0 even (not
that I have tried this particular feature on it recently ...)
If it's a couple of newer packages on 8.2, just add the macro to your
~/.rpmmacros (might need some tweaking).
Regards,
Buchan
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Re: [Cooker] User says MDK 9.2 is a backward step and requests features
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harijs Buss wrote: On Monday 17 November 2003 02:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you have mdkkdm. Use Mandrake Control Center-Hardware-Login Manager (or similar) to change this. (This is a change from 9.0-9.1) Nope. Look, Buchan, even you didn't remember it right; Actually I do, that is the way it is on 9.1 ;-). what to speak about us mortals... For some unknown reason the way how to do this is Mandrake Control Center - System - Choose the Display Manager. Why this Login Window is called Display Manager there, is beyond my understanding. Technically, that is the correct term. KDE's terminology is wrong (and why do they call it kdm and not klm?). I for sure wouldn't find it myself in a lifetime but somebody told me on some list (don't remember, maybe even here on Cooker). This is _so_ confusing, specially because everything other related to this login window is specified on KDE Control Center - System - Login Manager. Well, you need to choose which display manager you use (in MCC), and after that you use the tools for the display manager to configure it. Just like you choose KDE/GNOME at login time, and use their tools to configure it. The Mighty Ones at Mandrake could IMHO at least put the same name in MCC, to make it a bit more understandable: Mandrake Control Center - System - Choose Login Manager. Certainly putting some more understandable icon for it could help as well, instead of quite cryptic traffic lights (!) like now. IMHO KDE is wrong, Mandrake is using the correct term. I can't make out what the user is doing here. kcontrol-Administration-Login Mangager? I am sure this works. Changing type of kdm now in 9.2 leads to following actions: if user confirms he allows to re-start kdm, current KDE session is abruptly terminated (without any warning to save your job etc.), X are terminated as well and user finds himself in black textmode fullscreen with login prompt. Certainly many of new users do not even know they can start graphic GUI again with startx, and are scared up to point of re-installing or something. Well, actually they should restart the dm service. Something broke in 9.2. Yeah, maybe somebody should at least make red light glowing brightly on traffic light icon leading to change of kdm... :-) ??? It seems the user has some X configuration issue. Nope. This seems to me being principal issue of how new things are introduced in MDK nowadays: somebody likes new thing better and wishfully thinks that everybody will. It gets never (or too less) tested how the user might get back the _old_ feature, and the procedure itself is often cryptic or even non-existant (like you can not avoid installing of bootsplash anymore). Nevertheless most people are quite conservative and for some reason want back things like they are used to. I for example wanted back correct hostname displayed on Login Screen, _and_ the clock ticking there ;-) Well, AFAIK, 9.2 defaults to kdm, not mdkkdm (which had some issues, but these were apparently corrected by updates). The initial change to mdkkdm was in 9.1, and it didn't have the problem with the dm not restarting properly. Since kdm is the default (at least on new installs, and AFAIK), you should by default be able to get your hostname and clock back. So, I think your analysis isn't totally correct. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uL1frJK6UGDSBKcRAizsAJ9swky63FyQXHbKoIquw4DPdTVU0QCeKsHq xUYxJigaXGyxPMbak5ZUnJ4= =gppG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 6371] [drakconf] New: Please add option to change GTK+ 2 skin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [seguso.forever] wrote: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6371 Summary: Please add option to change GTK+ 2 skin Product: drakconf Version: 9.3-2mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: enhancement Priority: P2 Component: drakconf AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use KDE as the primary desktop. Sadly there is no option to change the looks of gnome apps. (both theme and font). Too bad, because many users would be attracted to Mandrake by goodlooking apps: imagine being able to set Nuvola, Smokey-blue or Grand-canyon! Currently, I edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0 by hand, but this cannot be asked to the ordinary user. The other options are not feasible either: 1. calling the gnome-control-center by command line does not work (why?) and the ordinary user cannot be asked to use the command line anyway. Works for me, as does gnome-theme-manager. 2. you could add switch2 to the distro, but beware that it currently does not work (because it creates a bad .gtkrc-2.0). 3) Add menu for gnome-control-center to Configuration menu (I have suggested this before), in which case it's a GNOME packaging bug (control center should have needs=x11, not needs=gnome). Of course, considering that default GTK font size is too small (IMHO) and drakxtools etc use GTK, KDE users have too-small fonts in drakfw, mandrakegalaxy, drakxtools etc, and have no easy way to change it. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uMw1rJK6UGDSBKcRAk6rAJwIS48x/ZqjlD9mz+6xy+nRzrSY8gCfY+bd Na8Yh6ozr/48ZTsTxpUL4gY= =jWxm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le dim 16/11/2003 à 23:11, Larry Nguyen a écrit : On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:03 am, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: As a user that help newbies on forum and as i'm facing always the same problem ( where are my windows drives ? can i access my windows drives under linux ? ), I think that diskdrake when having detect a windows partitions should put a link/icon on the desktop in order to give the ability for the users to directly see that they can have access to theses drives. I really like to see all mounted partitions should be under one directory and then create that direcotry/link on the desktop instead of each mounted partition with the hard drive icon on the desktop. This could be very un-organized desktop and looks very ugly if one has more than 1 hard drive, which is not so un-common nowadays. For example, create a link with description such as Access other partitions, then when users click on it, it will launch either nautilus or kfm or whatever_your_favorite_file_manager_here . You mean, under KDE, a shortcut to devices:/ ? (or use the services sidebar in KDE and click Devices. 1°/ mdk used to do this for removable devices ( CDROM, floppy ) but it ends up it was very ugly and unuserfriendly 2°/ You know I used to see windows desktop with more than 15 icons. That's ugly, but people need to see directly some things or else ... One of my friends had his whole desktop covered in icons! 3°/ Here is the problem - launching the right filemanager. ??? But in fact we should use the supermount stuff and extend it. No, supermount is only necessary for removable media (USB devices are a grey area ...). Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see Lookfeel - Comportment - device icons ). At this time we show CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives. What is special about FAT32/NTFS? What if I want to see other filesystems (where is my Redhat drive? Where is my SuSE drive etc etc???). That is what Hard Disk is for. This way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy ) On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for security level high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for windows FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0. This is already the case AFAIK (last time I looked at the code). What security level did you install with? I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such as, users could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition? So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a confirmation box. So the risk is minimal. But, OS's that default to fat32 are usually not multi-user, so it does increase the risk IMHO. Anyway, I don't think this problem should be solved in diskdrake or anything else. The problem is (IMHO) due to shortcomings of the KDE navigation tree (and the fact that GNOME doesn't really have one at all yet). I have posted on this before. IMHO, the different buttons on the splitter bar in Konqueror are the problem, they should be removed, all entries reorganized and merged into one tree view. Why do I access NFS/Fish/smb files in Services-LAN Browser, but http in Network, and FTP in both? Why do I access the CD-ROM in Services-Audio CD Browser and in Root Directory and Services-Devices? Home This Computer - -Entire filesystem (/) - -Media (devices:/ + audiocd:/ + supermount'ed devices) Network - -SMB/Windows (smb:/) - -Unix (fish/nfs hosts from lisa or similar) - -Web (ftp/http hosts from lisa or similar?) - -Directory (ldap:/ ;-)) And we still need to find place for bookmars, history and printers. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uNKkrJK6UGDSBKcRAmIEAKCy2Otddc84jjxQTRqzsefcEOj3KgCeOKfJ LR427kDBu3oLT5hjGLg1ARQ= =copb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop
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Hash: SHA1
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le lun 17/11/2003 à 13:52, Buchan Milne a écrit :
FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Under KDE you can select the device icons you want to show ( see
Lookfeel - Comportment - device icons ). At this time we show
CDROm/NFS/SMB/Floppy/Zip icons. We should add FAT32/NTFS drives.
What is special about FAT32/NTFS? What if I want to see other
filesystems (where is my Redhat drive? Where is my SuSE drive etc etc???).
That is what Hard Disk is for.
Seeing others linux partitions is what i can call : advanced stuff - so
this should not be enable by default ( and hard disk will show them ).
So, we should make it easier to use Windows, and less easy to use Linux?
A normal user ( desktop environment ) should not see others linux
partitions except his home directory.
So, if they have a backup partition or something (easy enough to do with
diskdrake), they shouldn't be able to access it as easily as a Windows
partition?
So see / and /home on his desktop
is useless for him. Most of the times this kind of users put files in
their home directory and open/save some files in their windows
partitions in order to share them with windows. So they need to know
directly and easily where is their home directory ( the home icon ), and
where is/are their windows partition(s).
Showing FAT32/NTFS drives is what I called basic stuff for newbies. For
example, the user need to install the firmware for his modem to make the
connection work under linux, so he dl the firmware under windows and
then his first question is : Can i have an access to my windows drives ?
If yes, where can i access them ?
At least 5 times a week on a forum where you have many newbies we have
this kind of question. Mandrake control center ? they don't know or
don't know where to go ( MountPoint is chinese for them )
But they shouldn't need to even see diskdrake now (I assume that's what
you mean), they can either look in /mnt/windows, or /mnt/win_{c,d} etc,
or browse in devices (but it would be better if you didn't have to know
all 6 buttons in Konqueror to be able to browse devices).
This
way you can easily disable the icons. Gnome have this feature but only
for removable devices ( CDROM/Floppy )
On top of that windows partitions should be writable ( FAT32 only of
course ) by normal users ( so umask=0 should be set by default for
security level high ). So by default diskdrake set umask=0 for
windows
FAT32 partitions during install and when the user select a security
level higher than standard, then msec remove umask=0.
This is already the case AFAIK (last time I looked at the code). What
security level did you install with?
since which version ? I don't know for me as I don't install 9.2 on HD
where there was some FAT32 partitions, but on forum I have many times
users saying that they can't write on their windows partitions ( 9.1,
maybe 9.2 but will have to check ) at least if they was able to find
where was their windows partitions.
Look in CVS, file libDrakX/fs.pm (line 468 in cooker)
if (isFat($part) || member('vfat', split(':', $part-{type})) ||
isThisFs('auto', $part)) {
put_in_hash($options, {
user = 1, noexec = 0,
}) if $opts{is_removable};
put_in_hash($options, {
'umask=0' = $opts{security} 3,
'iocharset=' = $opts{iocharset}, 'codepage=' = $opts{codepage},
});
}
So, users who want this by default should install in the less secure
option. Of course, a better description should be given for umask=0 in
the diskdrake options.
I would like to see this one also. But, will there be any risk, such
as, users
could accidently delete stuff from their winbloze partition?
So ? under windows they can do it too. On top of that now most of the
time under kde/gnome when you delete a file, by default the file is put
in the trash, unless you specify directly delete and you have a
confirmation box. So the risk is minimal.
But, OS's that default to fat32 are usually not multi-user, so it does
increase the risk IMHO.
I'm talking for home/desktop usage. in multiuser/workstation usage, the
sysadmin have the responsibility to enable/disable this feature. Now for
desktop/home usage when several people have access to the computer the
problem is Linux/unix rights limitations ( need ACL and easy way to
managed ACL ) or need away to specify that this group and only this
group of users can access theses drives.
The problem is that as soon as the user has a daemon running (ftp,
apache), they *are* multi-user. Whether it is real users or not is
irrelevant.
Anyway, I don't think this problem should be solved in diskdrake or
anything else. The problem is (IMHO) due to shortcomings of the KDE
navigation tree (and the fact that GNOME doesn't really have one at all
yet). I have posted on this before. IMHO, the different
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] bookcase-0.7-1mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charles A Edwards wrote: [Contrib-RPM] -=-=-=- Name: bookcase Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.7 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: Mon Nov 17 17:07:24 2003 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: klama.mandrake.org Group : OfficeSource RPM: (none) Size: 784140 License: GPL Signature : (none) Packager: Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://www.periapsis.org/bookcase/ Summary : A book collection manager Description : -=-=-=- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.7-1mdk - 0.7 - add marco iconname - use /bin/true - add BuildRequire ImageMagick and use for icons - add feature list - use make marco - no need to mkdir /pics it's auto done - use kdedesktop2mdkmenu for menu - rm man listing as it does not exist - use %doc %dir for HTML listing Weird, I updated this about two weeks ago, I guess the upload didn't make it. BTW, 0.7.0 has some bug (encoding issues), the author suggests 0.7.1 (which I haven't managed to get to yet, todo list is too long ...). http://www.periapsis.org/bookcase/download/bookcase-0.7.1.tar.gz Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uP1zrJK6UGDSBKcRAsi7AKCxNr34V061z7RM7XDMwadnE3JI8gCdFVbg jT0ozgp0jxiChdwV1bUDw6M= =PAeX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] juk contrib rpm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 illogic-al wrote: On Monday 17 November 2003 03:43 am, Götz Waschk wrote: That's not a good idea, as the contribs are always synched to the current cooker. The Mandrake club repository is the right place for your package. now the question is, just how would i do that? Answered on a more appropriate list. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/uQSZrJK6UGDSBKcRAtDPAJ4ueeAUscVHeARqljTdsMfB04nNBgCfbjoL b6REbQ1Z58hTv8aORy02bbg= =RKss -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 6273] [Installation] bootsplash can not be unmarked in package list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harijs Buss wrote: Do you really think it is good to have anything (un)markable on installation package list that in fact cannot be unmarked (because it seems to be now specifically tied to all graphical environment)? What is doing bootsplash on this package list if it is now intended to be unmarkable? Keep it off the list and there will be no questions like mine. What about the case of a server with no X, where the admin *does* want bootsplash? What about the case of desktop machine that boots into a remote display manager? The admin may want a nice graphical boot even though no window manager is installed on the local machine. Bootsplash *can* be removed, and there are situations where you might want to select it or not select it. You can always 'rpm -e --nodeps bootsplash' if you want. Yes, thank you for advice (all of them). To be resistant to unwanted, imposed changes is certainly good incentive to learn more about Linux beyond initial users GUI experience :) How about the desktop backgrounds? Wrong example. Bootsplash is in no way _necessary_ part of boot process. But it isn't (currently) required by any package used only in the boot process, it's only required by the desktop packages, so that the typical home machine gets it by default (even on upgrades from a machine which didn't have it). There is IMHO no any clear aim to make it mandatory, except of course writing Mandrake 9.2 on it (but it is written also during text boot). I don't know the answer to that, ask the Mandrake interface team (if they will give you an answer). I have nothing against bootsplash if somebody likes it. But I have objection to have bootsplash forcefully imposed on all possible Mandrake users including me. The use of bootsplash isn't forced on you. Only the installation of it. Even to get rid of it I now need to install it in the first place (this improvement is true only starting with 9.2). Small step in the same direction as so painfully known program called IE. Mind you I left Windows world partly because of such mandatory features imposed against my own will. So, removing IE from Windows 98SE is a 30 second job? I don't think so. And don't tell me that this long dependancy chain you presented cannot be corrected ;-) Of course it can, but the question (as I said before) is whether Mandrake considers it a feature or not. Since it was *added* for 9.2, I would guess so. binary, maybe initscripts should depend on bootsplash instead? Then we can have it on servers too ;-). Actually you might be surprised how many Linux servers (including Mandrakes) have full-scale graphical environment installed and in use nowadays. Memory is cheap and CPU's are affordable. Admin's time and good perception of overall situation is much more expensive. But many admins have bad habits (logging in to X as root for example, not securing X correctly when using it on a server). GUI administration can be done just as easily, and probably more securely, without X installed on the server, using X tunneled over SSH. And a lot of administration tasks can be done much more efficiently without a GUI environment (eg via scripting) than with one. About the only GUI tool we use on our servers is diskdrake, because it is convenient to use to resize LVM volumes. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/tJ2frJK6UGDSBKcRApv+AJ49cMCLJNpF25YtEV+80S65BPU47ACfTqBE qMU43fFsz4sylB+Y5zXSLm4= =NA3y -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 6353] [autoconf2.5] New: compatibility mode 2.13/2.5x is broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [gbburkhardt] wrote: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6353 Executing 'autoconf-2.5x' doesn't work, because the script doesn't reference the the 'autom4te-2.5x' executable. For example: And you have read the output of 'rpm -qi autoconf2.5' or /usr/share/doc/autoconf2.5-2.57/IMPORTANT.README.MDK ? - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/tKqhrJK6UGDSBKcRAlIWAJ42cqzDILes6wF4QK9I8T6FXhLecQCgrw0/ /CZ8tw6DH9ekMPn7EaVnY2w= =lGML -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] zebra-0.93b-3mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oden Eriksson wrote: [Contrib-RPM] -=-=-=- Name: zebraRelocations: (not relocateable) Version : 0.93b Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 3mdk Build Date: Fri Nov 14 12:26:43 2003 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: klama.mandrake.org Group : System/ServersSource RPM: (none) Size: 1045352 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Fri Nov 14 12:26:43 2003, Key ID 6a8743b0604aa4e4 Packager: Oden Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://www.zebra.org/ Summary : Routing daemon Description : GNU Zebra is a free software that manages TCP/IP based routing protocol. It takes multi-server and multi-thread approach to resolve the current complexity of the Internet. GNU Zebra supports BGP4, BGP4+, OSPFv2, OSPFv3, RIPv1, RIPv2, and RIPng. GNU Zebra is intended to be used as a Route Server and a Route Reflector. It is not a toolkit, it provides full routing power under a new architecture. GNU Zebra is unique in design in that it has a process for each protocol. Oden, I am not sure if you are aware of Quagga ? http://www.quagga.net/about.php Might be worth a look ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/tNVXrJK6UGDSBKcRAuyqAKCYvuNMwjARslm+Tpa9nZro/J82WgCgi7Fs CTnqo1sMw/efC9MoEz5Aqrw= =o77O -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs on the mirrors.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Owyn wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 11:50, Olivier Blin wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 04:38, Warly wrote: LG has finally released their errata and fix for their drives. Is there a changelog for differences between the original and the new ISOs? Well, yes, it's empty ;p There isn't any difference between the old ISOs and the new ones. Ouch What, do we want: 1)Paying customers to have worse products than freeloaders? 2)Users to keep their vulnerable firmware? The best solution for everyone is for users to update their firmware. The best time for them to wipe their firmware (if you can qualify it as best, maybe least-bad) is now, when there are documented fixes for it. Hopefully users caught by the same problem on other Linux kernels (Gentoo America's Army CD, some other Gentoo releases, custom-patched etc etc) will find the solution too (and be able to revive their hardware). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/tR8erJK6UGDSBKcRArb+AJ9sy5UkaCIEhKu6ldT7Hv3p+50ipgCbBJvV pjsOGrHf/XmLCoteiWsMhiA= =I6QZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert L Martin wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: And where on the mandrake site is a listing of exactly what is on the commercial cds From: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/9.2/features/ Additional drivers for NVIDIA-based and ATI videocards are available in Mandrake packs. or less than a week old list of whats on the club site?? http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com (which is where you get if you click on the big downloads link at the top of the mandrakeclub.com page) im going to assume that neither list is complete (the cd list only gives the download edition files and the club area doesn't seem to have any files (for 9.2)) the questions stand Your original question was how users would know the NVidia or ATI drivers were present (you don't need a listing of 5000 packages to find the answer to that). So, for your first question, my answer should suffice. For the second question, don't know what you searched for, but I got: ati http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ATI_kernel-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-3.2.5-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ATI_kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.10mdk-3.2.5-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ATI_kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.10mdk-3.2.5-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ATI_kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.10mdk-3.2.5-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ATI_kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-3.2.5-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ATI_GLX-3.2.5-2mdk.i586.html (these are the original ones, new ones have been provided too) nvidia http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-4496-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.10mdk-4496-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.10mdk-4496-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.10mdk-4496-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-smp-2.4.22.10mdk-4496-2mdk.i586.html http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_GLX-4496-2mdk.i586.html If you're going to ask rhetorical questions, at least check the answer first. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/s1IerJK6UGDSBKcRAvTKAJ492sl7NtyXYN+6MAsmCrKGpaD5wgCghCXb JS5+6Vxu4BMFpfiDrIvW/Q0= =WZF3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
memory management)? And they won't take that attitude with Mandrake, and by extension (as you can see from the above quote) linux. This is what I am worried about. It doesn't matter whether the people who make these comments should have known better - they didn't. And that damages the perception of linux as a whole. Anyway, this issue has been done to death in other threads, and I won't extend the pain by carrying on the argument beyond this post. I just wanted people to see that the faults in the initial 9.2 release were causing real-life damage amongst less sophisticated linux users than Cooker subscribers. And that this damage hurts more than Mandrake - it hurts linux. Well, the only additional issue you have mentioned (besides the LG issue) is totally out of our hands. No distro can currently support the latest Radeon cards without free software. So, users should either bite the bullet and install the ATI drivers manually, buy the release, or join the club and use the packages there (and hope they have been updated for the new kernel too). - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/r2HkrJK6UGDSBKcRAllwAJ9Q2/RA+u6xwzUkdtVv3/OhaEblKgCgw3br Q7lQjkLv5xJJAKhCkgGIPRE= =Tdbh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Prior wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Sure, for the Radeon 7500, there is no excuse (but AFAIK it should work fine out-the-box on 9.2), but for newer Radeon's, there isn't much we can do, since no free software driver supports them yet. That's not absolutely the case. The Vesa driver supported my Radeon 9600 without acceleration, which is all you need to get a workable desktop, which is what we should be trying to provide at install as a minimum. Sorry, I was not aware it was this bad (DrakX not using vesa if it does not know the card). There would be much less issue if problems were along the lines of my games run slow, than I get dumped at the command prompt after installation. BTW, you may have missed a lot of threads on cooker here where I have been advocating that all display managers (not just gdm) kick off XFdrake if X fails to start ... For some reason, this guy says the Vesa driver doesn't work for him. He hasn't provided enough info to be able to figure out what's going on, and probably won't now. Could very likely be user error (I suspect it may be configuration of his monitor rather than his card that is failing), but we will probably never know now, because he was put off by the difficulty of it all. It might be annoying, but we need people like that, and we certainly don't need them telling stories about how lame Mandrake is. XFree86 doesn't support these cards yet AFAIK. You have to have the non-free ATI driver. Fedora won't ship it, and the drivers are: - -on the commercial CDs - -on the Club. Yes, I've pointed this out, and that it would be fairer to compare the Mandrake box-set with Windows, but you aren't going to get many people spending money on Mandrake box-sets or Club membership, if it gets a reputation for being hard to install or (in extremis) damaging hardware. Chicken and egg problem, and there's no real solution to this. This is ATIs problem, if they can't sort out their driver installation routine for non-free software. They are the ones providing bad support for their products. Most NVidia newbies don't have this problem. Agreed. It is frustrating that the only distro they support without having to compile modules (and therefore download the *%^ing missing kernel-source) is RedHat. Can't Mandrake contact them and provide modules to bundle with their install package, the same way they have bundled RedHat modules? Presumably it would be in ATI's interests to make this work as easily as possible with as many distros as possible. There is currently nothing that can be done about this issue. Nothing. Unless you are volunteering to write a free software driver that supports these cards. As I say, Vesa works with at least some Radeon 9600 cards, so presumably there _is_ something that can be done about this. Steffen Barzus had his device replaced, no-one has reported *not* having their device replaced. Good news. It's unfortunate, but this would have happened to some distro (whoever merged packet writing first), since it's very unlikely the problem would have been found by people manaully patching packet writing into their kernel (the patch has been available and in use for a long time). True. Mandrake has always been bleeding-edge. Compared to say Redhat who ships with cvs snapshots of unstable versions of glibc (and then has to issue updates to glibc so users in large installations can see all users), and similar things? But if it's risky installing it before more experienced users have had a chance to test it, what were Mandrake doing providing it for inclusion with a UK magazine before it had even gone on public release? Who said Mandrake provided it? I thought the idea this time was that the public download edition and box-sets would be delayed for a while, to give Club and Cooker members a chance to run it to spot and fix the most serious gremlins (and provide an incentive for people to join the Club). And provides users who have already downloaded the ISOs (likely 85% of users) absolutely no incentive to pay Mandrakesoft, buy boxed sets, or join the club for no other reason but charity. This pretty well undermines that. So, I guess no-one applies service patches etc (some of which cause bigger problems, such as XP SP1 messing up virtual memory management)? Exactly. And why do you think Windows has the reputation it does? It's a regular refrain of linux advocates that linux is more stable than Windows. Is this not a part of what they are referring to? Stability doesn't have that much to do with how many updates are available (IMHO). I'm a long way from being a Windows advocate. I just don't think it helps for linux to suffer from the same problems as Windows. I want linux to be better than, not as good (or bad) as Windows. Agreed, but you (and a lot of others) are concentrating on two hardware issues, and not seeing a lot
Re: [Cooker] Danger: Magazine with 9.2 with problematic kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert L Martin wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: XFree86 doesn't support these cards yet AFAIK. You have to have the non-free ATI driver. Fedora won't ship it, and the drivers are: - -on the commercial CDs - -on the Club. And where on the mandrake site is a listing of exactly what is on the commercial cds From: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/9.2/features/ Additional drivers for NVIDIA-based and ATI videocards are available in Mandrake packs. or less than a week old list of whats on the club site?? http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com (which is where you get if you click on the big downloads link at the top of the mandrakeclub.com page) - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/r4lErJK6UGDSBKcRAmc0AJ9Ut47/gX2DvV+LNRzyMuFt0G94lgCff4aX 2YFk8bWchfQNPDIxbRb4mb8= =16Q0 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mozilla 1.5 ? 1.6 Alpha is already out . . .
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Fox wrote: When is Cooker going to get the latest stable Mozilla (1.5)? Look in the MandrakeClub mirrors in the mean time. (there are some minor issues with the build, I don't know if it's specific to the build or generic buglets in 1.5 - David Coe has problems with mail crashing when starting it from the browser, and I have to remove my XUL.mfasl file before I start mozilla if I want enigmail to work). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/q2c7rJK6UGDSBKcRAoadAJwNg4XOufnHVifEznjx05oXNdsnwgCdEWuc AEFODT/9lEFZ46ZTyMe/G5M= =LaxU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Want to do a magazine CD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon Brooks wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to consider a live CD version ... (if it's prime purpose isn't for installation, but more for demo). This one will be intended for installation. I am also considering a live CD as a later project, one with most of the above plus a web browser and the like, aimed at being a plug this in and try it template that developers can use to ship an active site (databases etc copied to a RAMdisk) to a customer. It would be even better with a script named i_like_it which installs to the running machine's hard disk if the end customer does in fact like it. Patches are welcome (although I personally believe this is 2nd-rate and potentially dangerous method of doing an installation since you don't have much assurance about the binaries ...) Well, if we get an answer on this, can we get it on the Wiki. Yes, please! A Knoppix-alike-Mandrake-HOWTO page would also be wonderful, if anyone reading this has ever made one. # urpmi mklivecd $ less /usr/share/doc/mklivecd*/FAQ (there have been some features and bugfixes in CVS, and we should probably get a new release out in a few days). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/q2fkrJK6UGDSBKcRAvIGAKC+tFlr7QJPkyrURBXgiqRpEJVhpwCfWOms +exUmIo3nQySt33JZSJKVjQ= =i3qN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Club test RPMS for ATI and Win4Lin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: For Danny and Buchan, I have been using your test rpms for ATI kernel modules and Win4Lin together on my Thinkpad for about four hours now without any problems. Everything seems to be quite stable. win4lin packages are supposed to be updated in the 9.2 contrib tree ... but I have had no response from Lenny ... Thanks for the report though! (BTW, win4lin-utils-3-6mdk should fix all issues related to links in /boot etc which were not quite working before) Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/q2j0rJK6UGDSBKcRAnrlAJwN7pVihTxBxCJiMMiEHy99ug6ijQCgqfTA 4s0JyQ++/f5XmCPi3uWdWf8= =pFQg -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kdebase-3.1.3-80mdk (many undefined symbols)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Laurent Montel wrote: Le Friday 24 October 2003 08:53, Luca Berra a écrit : On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 08:35:22AM +0200, Laurent Montel wrote: See earlier threads. kdebase-3.1.3-80 was compiled against qt3.2, cooker is still on qt3.1. Solution is to upgrade libqt, get the rpms from: http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~lmontel/kde-3.2-alpha2/ Bad solution, because all other packages was compiled with qt-3.1. I created and upload a new kdebase-3.1.3-81mdk which fixed compiled problem, but there is a problem with upload :( yes, bad. It is especially bad having an incompatible ABI library ship with the same soname. Could you fix qt-3.2 to have libqt-mt.so.3.2 soname when you will release 3.2 (you should also deal with it requiring qt3-common). fixed Well, this still didn't prevent breakage. Our cooker mirror hasn't managed to sync kdebase yet (since builds are uploaded late every day, just before our mirror syncs from sunet.se which isn't up-to-date), but libqt3-3.2 made it, so this morning I couldn't use KDE until I reverted to the 9.2rc2 package (since we don't have a full 9.2 mirror either). Plus, mdkkdm made it (but didn't work), and gdm doesn't work for some reason. My cooker box is in the worst shape it has been in in about 18 months. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/q264rJK6UGDSBKcRAnYZAJ45BuJqSo8OljKPr96r5BO6KMPOlgCgmh+V 4tqRJ0feQfQW07nKJXfgmZQ= =vs7L -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Club test RPMS for ATI and Win4Lin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 07 November 2003 04:42 am, Buchan Milne wrote: win4lin packages are supposed to be updated in the 9.2 contrib tree ... but I have had no response from Lenny ... Shouldn't the win4lin packages from the original kernel be made available to for people that have chosen not to upgrade the kernel. As long as the original kernel is available in the tree, the packages that go with it should remain available. Although if that .10 kernel is getting pulled because of the LG business, then the related win4lin packages could be pulled also. All kernel-related packages in the tree (main and contrib) have been updated now I think. The tmb and mm kernels have already, and Lenny has just let me know he has updated the win4lin kernels which should appear on the mirrors soon. Maybe there needs to be a updates directory for contrib too. This has been discussed before, but there was no final conclusion. In the meantime we are abusing the MandrakeClub mirrors. Thanks for the report though! (BTW, win4lin-utils-3-6mdk should fix all issues related to links in /boot etc which were not quite working before) Yes, the initrd link was set up properly this time, although I have lost my bootsplash with the .21 kernel. I am not sure if it is something I have done or if it is a packaging problem. I don't think it's a packaging problem, the 3 kernels I tested with (I didn't have smp or enterprise kernels, so tested the normal, i686 and p3 kernels) all got bootsplash. You may want to check what /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/detect-resolution says ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/q5txrJK6UGDSBKcRAlBCAJwKMlu7YEe9aDRAndyerXIMQHaZNwCfVFxA 7nvkt8LkCgAZoXspGB9aT/I= =qynf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: Problems booting with ext3 for root partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Cotton wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:33, Duncan wrote: I compile my own kernel from kernel.org sources, so haven't been following this real closely, but AFAIK, any of the Mdk kernels work if ext3 support is compiled directly into the kernel, rather than as a module. I also compile my own from kernel.org and have always compiled ext3 into the kernel because I've never seen a good reason to compile it as a module. In fact the help screen on ext3 says Be aware however that the file system of your root partition (the one containing the directory /) cannot be compiled as a module, and so this may be dangerous. So, we should compile every filesystem that is usable on a root partition into the kernel? Then we will have 2MB kernels (have you seen how big xfs is?). 500k for XFS, 220k for ReiserFS, plus JFS and ext3 (100k including jdb). Since you can have root on LVM, maybe that should be compiled in too? Of course, then we should compile md in also. So if it is compiled as a module in mdk, against this advice, perhaps the maintainer(s) can give their explanation as to why this advice from the kernel team is wrong. Because initrd images work fine (and this has been the case almost for ever). The warning in the kernel source is for people who are compiling their own kernels and may not know how to create initrd images that include the required modules. BTW, I don't think this has anything to do with the problem, as users with this problem reported the modules were loaded before they had probles ... But, someone who has the problem may want to test with the Mandrake kernel-source and see if compiling the root filesystem driver in helps. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qicVrJK6UGDSBKcRAjobAJ9DL9brnaFCjn31WMN0ffQXOuH/HACglloM gUqGbxTyzVPrDJTnEgpB+gY= =ZnUC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Problems booting with ext3 for root partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svante Signell wrote: The long thread on 'kernel 23mdk panic' seems to be related to my problem. Has anyone made a summary of conclusions made so far? Which kernels are known to boot properly, with and without initrd? Stick with 2.4.22-21mdk if you can for the moment ... - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qic5rJK6UGDSBKcRAgaXAJ4quV6ME96cVw7c7exyFDgzwPj7NACgvcdB Re/r/PLAgKuMtvctunV/L54= =FItD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Terjan wrote: Götz Waschk wrote: Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003, 17:14:42 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: Götz Waschk wrote: What a typical macho opinion. I rather prefer the nice girls who can write good code. But if they write good code, it means they need to be paid more ... I would prefer too, but it's really more difficult to find :-) Depends on where you're looking. When I was a CS student, there were almost no females, but this has changed a bit. In my Processor Architecture class there is 1/3 female students, so there might be a new generation of coding girls. Impressive ! Here that didn't change :/ You think CS is bad? We (B.Eng - Mech) started with 80 guys and 4 girls (one more joined us in 2nd year), 25 guys and no girls graduated at the end of the 4 year course. 3 girls left Engineering, 2 changed to Industrial. Chem eng, Industrial, Civil and Eletrical are a bit better off (in that order, Chem eng has the highest proportion). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qn1orJK6UGDSBKcRAi16AJ9F/YuVIUwKrAjFHZeVZNtHdXGkfgCgjmLS BLp9QBXWDU8+Y/K64qNEjSw= =ukgZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Versioning for multiple releases (was Re: [Cooker] Updated ATI Kernel Modules)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Götz Waschk wrote: Am Montag, 3. November 2003, 12:32:58 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I did start naming everyting version.92mdk to distinguish them from cooker stuff (like we are doing for security updates now). That's a start. And I think we should use it for now until we have a more permanent solution. So, anyone rebuilding cooker packages from Club should do this. I would to raise another point here quickly, but it needs its own thread: shouldn't we force release specific rpms? Too many people are using cooker rpms on stable version. Too many people are using rpms for different versions on their stable version. I've already suggested something like this in a previous thread. I thought about a distribution epoch for all packages, so that official packages are always newer than backported packages. I agree. This would solve the Texstar KDE-3.1.4 for 9.1 upgrade problem (which some users are experiencing). I don't think there is any other solution which would provide for this. This would need some rpm changes, so that a package built on 9.2 would have an epoch of 92 and one build on 10.0 would have epoch 100. But this would be a problem with packages that already has an epoch, as you can use only integer numbers for the epoch tag. It could also cause some problems for Requires/BuildRequires with epoch values? Any BuildRequires/Requires with an existing Epoch value would need to be bumped also, which makes for some additional 'macro-isation' for the packager, and makes it difficult to automate this. The problem of your naming is that you have to change it by hand. I'd like to rebuild a cooker package on a stable distribution version and have it's release changed automatically. Ideally, we should be able to rebuild SRPMS from cooker on any release automatically, and still be able to upgrade them to a newer distro with older base packages. For instance, say mozilla-1.5 goes into cooker. Say it is rebuilt for 9.1 (well, we have this already with the Club 1.5-0.91mdk package). The user upgrades to 9.2, and mozilla-1.4 doesn't ugrade and the user may end up with some problems. I think it the distribution-specific Epoch is to be used, it needs to be done by RPM, and any epoch in a spec file needs to be incremented with the distro epoch. I don't think it is feasible to do it with rpm macros (since you will have trouble with existing epoch values). BTW, for reference some people may want to read the proposal Fedora has, but note that it doesn't address the newer packages on old release than on current release-issue, since their Vepoch is used in the release tag. Also, they don't require the use of the Vepoch it seems. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qoBKrJK6UGDSBKcRArUTAKC9Ycfc0IlwprZMAclD/N80dc9W8QCgjn3L GS87fvAMgSt8XDXCasQtl1o= =Yy9/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] test9.4mdk with ext3 as module
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: Still a little issue in test9-4mdk : you should compile capability (CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=yes) in the kernel, not a module (, otherwise bind can't be started until capability module is loaded.. thanks, it will be done in next release please don't, the kernel is bug enough not everybody is running bind, the one's that do run it could just add it to modprobe preload Maybe the bind initscript needs to check for this? - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qMUZrJK6UGDSBKcRAvLmAJ9KiiF476Ud4h/clmxPLT7KiJGobgCgvVDt Iu5Rv1xWNTnotGaHq3n5414= =GX0O -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 2.6 and building external modules
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrey Borzenkov wrote: [please Cc me on this thread. thank you] -Original Message- On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:21:12 +0300 Andrey Borzenkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fails to see these directions on www.minion.de. Quoting README: [ snip ] anyway - it works. It works for may people. Actually so far it worked for everyone :) Actually, no, there were some problems with the new kbuild : ok, I apologize, I meant with custom built kernel :( http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0307.1/1162.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg114289.html I could add all this stuff in the %post of kernel-source, what do you think of it ? no enough see below But that would require the correct kernel to be installed before kernel-source, because we need the correct /boot/config-%name-%version-%release to make oldconfig. What to do if both normal an -smp kernels are installed ? To summarize so far. On 2.4 module versions have been appended to symbol names themselves and stored in modversions.h file. It allows using sources without object modules to built external off-tree modules and using some #ifdef magic evem prepare single source tree that can be used to automatically build external modules for currently running kernel. On 2.6 module versions are stored in object file. As last step kbuild executes modpost that extracts versions (CRCs) from objects that define them and stores them in objects that use them. I.e. if module mod1.o defines mod1_foo that is called by mod2.o, the CRC(mod1_foo) is extracted from mod1.o and stored in mod2.o *object*. Later on this is used by kernel module loader to check that module matches kernel for which it was built. This step as implemented currently in kbuild needs *all* modules and vmlinux for build tree. It is called as modpopst vmlinux mod1 mod2 - enable verbose and see :( Which means that to be able to buid external modules kernel build tree must contain vmlinux and *all* module objects :((( Which also means that if we want to build for several kernel flavours we need vmlinux and modules for *every* kernel flavour :( So what can be done so far. 1. Disable modversions. I have not tested it as yet but I presume that as this problem exists only in presence of modversions it should allow you to build modules. IIRC in this case kernel version is still stored so it should not allow you to load smp module for up kernel. needs checking. 2. Ship separate kernel-source-up etc for every kernel flavour that contains vmlinux and kernel objects. Use the same kheader trick to link /usr/src/linux to currently booted kernel sources. This means quite a bit of space OTOH most users have just one kernel installed ... apparently this is approach taken by RH (see quoted thread and recent Arjan reply). 3. Use separate build tree approach and ship single kernel sources that point to different kernel build trees that are distributed as separate packages. (link established by kheader) That saves us overhead of having sources n x times. It almost certainly requires Makefile fiddling but not very large. It may fail for some non-conformant Makefiles (but then anything can fail) disclaimer type=kernel 2.6 newbie Since the binary kernel packages ship with vmlinux and binary modules, can they not be linked into the kernel-source-$flavour package, so that you need kernel-source-base and kernel-source-$flavour (which requires kernel-$flavour), thus avoiding the need to include two copies of many files? kernel-source would be a virtual provides in kernel-source-$flavour. This assumes either modpost can use compressed modules, or we ship uncompressed modules in kernel binary packages (or some similar solution). Of course, if this is what you meant, just ignore me. /disclaimer 4. Teach modpost to extract module versions from /boot/vmlinuz and /lib/modules. Any takers? :) So far two most attractive approaches are - disable modversions. Frankly speaking, it was meant to allow people to reuse modules across different kernel versions - as it stands now I have never seen that module from one release could be loaded on another. It seems to be more trouble than it is worth. You don't maintain binary kernel module packages I think? If it does work, it would make life easier ... - take approach 3. We need to teach users how to use 2.6 kbuild anyway, there is quite a bit of jump, so we may teach them how to use separate build tree at the same time. Option 4 looks the best long-term solution (and useful to others too). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc
Re: [Cooker] FHS 2.3 (fwd)
, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;freestandards.org. IN NS ;; Query time: 188 msec ;; SERVER: 204.152.189.113#53(ns2.kernel.org) ;; WHEN: Wed Nov 5 16:37:36 2003 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] buchan]$ dig @ns1.kernel.org freestandards.org ns ; DiG 9.2.3rc2 @ns1.kernel.org freestandards.org ns ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached ns1.kernel.org seems to not be responding, and ns2.kernel.org doens't know about freestandards.org (although it does know about pathname.com and kernel.org) Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qRhMrJK6UGDSBKcRAntUAJ4h883pIO8ChZTyzOA9oyU4fpkUTwCdEeV/ bJDZEM8Z/gl3XgVLeWiuR5A= =SgxT -END PGP SIGNATURE- * Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. *
Re: [Cooker] linux question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Computer-R-Us wrote: i just got 3 mandrake 9.2 cds and i'm having a problem installing it. i'm getting the same error as this http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-09/msg03727.php and i'm not sure what to do to fix the problem. You will notice that this is an email copy of the bugzilla transaction, click on the link to the bugzilla entry, and you will have the most up-to-date information on this bug (and you can include any additional information you can provide). It seems that at present it is not fixed, and you will have to install in text mode. When you boot the installation media, hit F1 and enter 'text'. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/p2/RrJK6UGDSBKcRAhZMAJ4uzxHrTxRGVZgnsnfpwP63jAMA9wCgru4N SpXdZvRH4qaOGbv6SpWgshA= =wE6v -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] ldap + samba3 + pam_mount
via an IMAP on such a machine, or when you connect to a samba printer (if you use 'obey pam restrictions = yes') etc. Also, I have had some problems using pam_mount in system-auth (maybe it doesn't work too well with pam_stack) in the past. I only use pam_mount is on clients, so there are no problems whith server auth, and for imap it depends on where are your mail dirs... pam_mount now function correctly, with the differents remarks I made on its position in the stack. BTW, IMHO there is only (currently) one scenario where smbfs/cifs would be a good idea for sharing home directories (if symlinks worked correctly) I gess we still have to use nfs ... symlinks are working correctly, as long as targets remain on file server. Not really usefull for Unix workstations. IMHO, the best method (currently) to manage file sharing between unix machines in a network is with autofs (specifically automount maps in LDAP). I'm going to try this instead, seems great, especially with LDAP mapping. And autofs-4.1 will make life even easier for this by supporting direct mounts ... I must get around to trying it ... Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] KDE 3.2 Beta 1: Say Hello To Rudi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Laurent Montel wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 12:17, PAOLACCI Sébastien wrote: I created beta1 package previous week, and sync on people.mandrakesoft.com:~lmontel/ Ok directory is all the time kde-3.2-alpha2, but it's package from yesterday CVS. Laurent, any chance for you to run genhdlist on that directory? Also, it is feasible for us to make a kde3.2-based Mandrake Live CD, which may make it easier for some people to test KDE-3.2. Interested? We should be able to keep it under 200MB I think. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/p7EorJK6UGDSBKcRAkjBAKCtfG81e/KgP0Mu96RL4Vb+PHL4BgCcCTWs 7gzOWJ3YpH+2M3UvNFsQNEQ= =GNcn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] KDE 3.2 Beta 1: Say Hello To Rudi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Laurent Montel wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 15:01, Buchan Milne wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 12:17, PAOLACCI Sébastien wrote: I created beta1 package previous week, and sync on people.mandrakesoft.com:~lmontel/ Ok directory is all the time kde-3.2-alpha2, but it's package from yesterday CVS. Laurent, any chance for you to run genhdlist on that directory? why not. Thanks. Also, it is feasible for us to make a kde3.2-based Mandrake Live CD, a kde3.2 cd live ?! KDe 3.2 is not stable for cd live. But I would prefer to run it on a live CD than on my cooker box ... which may make it easier for some people to test KDE-3.2. Interested? We should be able to keep it under 200MB I think. 200 Mo for the moment size of kde is 600 Mo Cloop has ~2.5x compression, so let's say 350MB ISO (with X and other libraries etc)? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/p7kFrJK6UGDSBKcRAg4WAKDLBp5P6an2fyXZna6kDnbN6NMAowCeKk0Z loY+enwdLFtoXa4up8X1+lk= =og8/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mandrake-release-10.0-0.1mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: -=-=-=- Name: mandrake-release Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 10.0 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 0.1mdkBuild Date: Tue 04 Nov 2003 04:36:01 PM CET Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: proca.mandrakesoft.com Group : System/Configuration/OtherSource RPM: (none) Size: 8251 License: GPL Signature : (none) Packager: Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://www.linuxmandrake.com Summary : Mandrake Linux release file Description : Mandrake Linux release file. -=-=-=- Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10.0-0.1mdk - yo -=-=-=- Does this mean main is open? /me hopes samba-3.0.x will build on klama then ... - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/p8t6rJK6UGDSBKcRAshyAKCJmlbfoM4DvK4RsQ+zeYXLHw2ozwCgjfuY 6BckGRu6WzQgaMyY9AjFJg8= =rBum -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] kernel source requires libgpm1-devel ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Scherer wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:38, Brad Felmey wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 13:33, Brad Felmey wrote: This is not necessary, methinks. Is this an issue in urpmi or kernel-source? And requires libncurses5-devel? yes, for make menuconfig. In a perfect world, it should be possible to have one package for each configuration :) In fact, since kernel 2.6 offer qt and gtk, something should be done here. Like splitting the files required to build modules from those to build a kernel? I see why libncurses5-devel is necessary to build a kernel, but why is it necessary to build (insert favourite hardware vendor) proprietary drivers? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/qAUArJK6UGDSBKcRAqJkAJ97Hr6Bkr/+Vx6HdX6HYfSJzhNn3gCeOlhZ zqFygGSXqs23gQ+suOdYcvk= =HFe/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] freechem livecd presentation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: The attendance was very good, the interest level was very very good, and the response was AMAZING. Many people asked questions both after the lecture and throughout the rest of the day. It seems that there is a definite desire for people to be able to easily make their own specialized live CD's by themselves. That's the whole point of mklivecd. I have made 3 different live CDs, none of which would be useful to a wide audience (one is only useful internally for running simulations on machines that *have* to run only Windows during work hours, but can be booted off the liveCD after hours to have a crude computing cluster for some proprietary 1d CFD software), but which really provide real-world functionality. I have put up the slides from the presentation, but they do not depict WHAT I said, only an outline of the topic matter. http://groundstate.ca/freechem-pres.pdf You can now remove your con #3 local printing is tricky, since this seems to be fixed in cvs (except for some issue with the GNOME menus being in /var/lib AND HAVING SPACES IN THE [EMAIL PROTECTED]). In my test, all you need to do is run printerdrake, and it should auto-detect any local printer and work without any intervention. NVIDIA support is apparently also there, we're looking at some bootsplash progress support, and I'm fighting with getting ide-scsi working correctly (which seems a bit tricky ...). One of the coolest ideas I got was from a guy who suggested that USB memory cards be used as the /home directory. This is a brilliant idea... as you could walk around with the liveCD, and your USB memory card, and you would essentially have your desktop in your pocket, that would run on almost any workstation anywhere, with your /home/.hidden files and everything. It would be cool if the liveCD startup script would automatically mount the USB memory card as /home if it was inserted before boot time, but as /mnt/usbram (or similar) if inserted after bootup. There is initial support for this in CVS, but since I misplaced my USB flash disk about a week ago I haven't been able to test it. I would personally like an encrpyted filesystem, and a tool to prepare such a filesystem. On the CD we use for simulation, I just have it set up for our LDAP server (I should test with _ldap._tcp SRV records to make it more generic), and have autofs starting at boot, and now any user can log into it and get their home directory via automounted NFS (with one extra step before creating the image - but direct mount support in autofs would remove the need for this). I'm planning on finishing freechem 1.0 (possibly to be renamed), and distributing it through the authors of the chemistry applications themselves. Then I plan on making an audio production liveCD, but I'm waiting for cooker to re-open first, so I can update jack, alsa-tools, and a few other things. You might want to at least do some tests at present for hardware detection purposes ... since that may also take some time to sort out. BTW, if others are interested in this, please join the mklivecd mailing list: https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/minicd-scripts Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pi6QrJK6UGDSBKcRAgHDAJ48q0Ps8cO2/F8fZRJkegh9B5UirgCcCgTu FJppLayXagiIsEQV9DS4azI= =4f0E -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Updated ATI Kernel Modules
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Götz Waschk wrote: Am Montag, 3. November 2003, 11:39:35 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Götz, you work to hard:) Any objections if I put them on club (with obsoletes for the in-house version?) You can do everything the license permits. Please don't forget to upload the source rpms to the club. Packages uploaded by contributors *must* have SRPMS, otherwise the binaries won't be uploaded to the web server. Unfortunately there isn't such a restriction for the packages put up there by Mandrakesoft. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pjWyrJK6UGDSBKcRAmIyAJ97pZe9t7F8EyeGhYSS2EpzPf0+jQCgkRU3 7zPaRPvF3lZxJoj5Sy2IfPA= =PubL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mozilla-1.5-0.92mdk Stability
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Frederic Crozat wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:34:50 +, David Coe wrote:
I mentioned in an earlier thread that I was having problems with the
Mozilla-1.5-0.92mdk placed in the MandrakeClub archive, in particular,
that pressing the Mail icon on the Browser Status Bar (down at the
bottom left-hand corner) quite often resulted in an unceremonious
closedown of all Mozilla windows.
This bug had been *very* noticeable with Chip Cuccio's first offering of
Mozilla-1.5 on his NORLUG archive (I can't speak for the second), was
sporadically present with Buchan Milne / Fred Crozat's MandrakeClub RPM
and was absent (as far as I can tell) from Scott Bolander's XFT-enabled
tarball.
I'm going to be a little rude but let's explain this clearly : I DON'T
maintain Mandrake Club RPMs (I didn't upload nor check them) and I DON'T
want to hear from them, specially on cooker mailing list.. I NEVER did
those packages. The only package I maintain are on cooker.
No problem, I accept full responsibility for them, but David is the only
one reporting issues with the package (only other compaints were due to
people installing 3rd-party plugins on their own and getting some things
wrong).
However, I made no changes to any configuration options (I just backed
out the patches that were integrated upstream and updated ipc for
enigmail), so you may still want to take note of the issue. I have
attached a diff to your latest mozilla spec file in case it is useful to
you.
However, I haven't really been able to reproduce this problem myself. I
did get a crash once, but that was when testing this, and it happened
about the 15th time I opened the mail window. I tried it another two
times, and got to 20 openings of the mail window using the icon before I
stopped.
So, I will take a look at this, but I don't think it's that serious.
David, do you get the same problem when you use CTRL-2 or
Window-MailNewsgroups ?
BTW, on my cooker box (which has been running 1.5-0.92mdk for a week), I
start mozilla with the mail component first, and usually use the
keyboard shortcuts for the window I want to open, instead of the icons.
But it has been extremely stable (only one crash and that was testing
the mail icon).
I have been running 1.5-0.91mdk on my 9.1 box at home for almost 2 weeks
now, also with no problems.
Regards,
Buchan
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--- /home/bgmilne/rpm/mdk/SPECS/mozilla.spec 2003-09-18 16:13:01.0 +0200
+++ mozilla.spec 2003-10-19 11:52:40.0 +0200
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
%define lib_nss_name %mklibname nss %{major_nss}
#warning : always end release date with 00
# (it should be the hour of build but it is not significant for rpm)
-%define releasedate 2003063000
+%define releasedate 2003101500
%define french_policy 0
%define dirversion %{version}
%define mozillalibdir %{_libdir}/mozilla-%{dirversion}
@@ -16,8 +16,8 @@
%define build_xmlterm 0
%define enable_svg 0
%define build_is_final 1
-%define enable_l10n 1
-%define enable_l10n 1
+%define enable_l10n 0
+%define enable_l10n 0
%define build_debug 0
%define build_corefonts 0
%define build_ggdefaults 0
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
# used for enigmail and protozilla sources:
%define enigmail_version 0.76.1
-%define ipc_version 1.0.3
+%define ipc_version 1.0.4
%{?_with_spellcheck: %{expand: %%define build_spellcheck 1}}
%{?_with_enigmail: %{expand: %%define build_enigmail 1}}
@@ -57,8 +57,8 @@
Name: mozilla
Summary: Mozilla, open-source web browser
-Version: 1.4
-Release: 13mdk
+Version: 1.5
+Release: 0.92mdk
License: MPL
Source0: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla%{version}/src/mozilla-source-%{dirversion}.tar.bz2
Source2: mozilla_16.png
@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@
# (fc) 0.9.8-1mdk fix loading of file through command line (contributed by Chmouel) ,
# set MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH to $HOME/.mozilla/plugins, autodetect locale, add -splash parameter
Source10: mozilla-1.0.0-sh.in.bz2
-Source20: mozilla-1.4-spellcheck.tar.bz2
+#Source20: mozilla-1.4-spellcheck.tar.bz2
Source21: http://enigmail.mozdev.org/dload/src/ipc-%{ipc_version}.tar.bz2
Source22: http://enigmail.mozdev.org/dload/src/enigmail-%{enigmail_version}.tar.bz2
Source23: mdkbugzilla.gif
@@ -93,7 +93,7 @@
# (gb) 1.1-0.beta.3mdk add new xptcall tests
Patch36: mozilla
Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.6-test8 rpms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Blin wrote: So the problem may/must be in mkinitrd. I'm working on it. My mistake, it's a bug in kernel packaging. No depmod is done in %install, so mkinitrd find the first time an empty modules.desc file and can't guess ext3 depends on jbd ... A test9.4mdk will come later this evening, or are we already in the morning ? ;) It seems you're a bit ahead of the rest of us ... by about a day ... - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pjlYrJK6UGDSBKcRAkw8AJ9J7X00TQL9kve3+c/T1c83KRYOUgCgoT7i 3wl7WitRaRpBn/LvkpoRA4Q= =pQTo -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] ANN: synaptics and radeontool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luca Berra wrote: hello, i built rpms of synaptics (the X11 touchpad driver) and radeontool (switch on/off external monitor and laptop backlight) http://www.comedia.it/~bluca/cooker/misc/ they will get into contrib if i don't get any negative feedback, anyone cares to try them? And nrg2iso (it was on my to-do list)? - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pkmtrJK6UGDSBKcRAlD/AKCwHRQtRaDEoiH9F3QYaCKSdGHnwgCgiHx5 qhP0iUMSlHlotHjqHU1ADWk= =5/cr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mozilla-1.5-0.92mdk Stability
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brook Humphrey wrote: I also know since i have started rebuilding the mandrake rpm's with some extreme optimizations that I do not see this behavior at all on my mandrake boxen. However I have had issues with the mandrake builds of mozilla for about 2 years now they just randomly lock up, completely crash, or the one that really bugs me is that after a while of use it gets so that you can not select text in the address bar. You have to shut it down to fix this. Not really. You can temorarily get it back working by minimizing and switching back to the window you were using, sometimes you need to do it more than once (and there are other methods). But AFAIK this is not processort specific, and may be GTK2/KDE bug. Because of this I almost never use the mandrake rpm's for mozilla. So, which binaries work ok then? Mozilla 1.0.x-1.2.x worked fine using Mandrake builds, so I think it is a GTK2 issue (and you wouldn't see it on GTK1.x builds). My regular usage is to have 1 or 2 mozilla windows open with maybe 10 or 15 tabs per window. This I have running for possibly weeks. With the mandrake builds I get maybe 3 or 4 days max. My regular use is at least 2 windows open, usually 25 tabs open total. I probably have to do the minimize-ALT-SHIFT-TAB trick about once every two hours or so of use. Fred tried to reproduce it, but didn't succeed, and I don't think he'll take kindly to running KDE and Mozilla for a week to find it ... he complained as it was about having to run Mozilla instead of epiphany ;-). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/plGxrJK6UGDSBKcRAvupAJwJ9xAHuJGimJWxdVdKCtJPoKdPkQCfdN4v 54oa3GYxnUxPxOgsPNgrmtY= =Uie1 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few years ago I needed postfix with mysql support. postfix in mandrake didn't have it. I downloaded srpm and found that mysql was in but switch in spec file wasn't activated. It took quite a while for a new package to appear. Even one security update was released but the switch wasn't activated. Once more i had to build it myself. Have you considered that maybe Mandrakesoft doesn't want postfix to depend on mysql by default, but *does* want to make it easy for someone to build the package with mysql support All you need to do is: $ rpm --rebuild --with mysql postfix*.src.rpm Luckily, ldap support is on by default. It seems it is possible to build postfix with dynamic support for mysql/postgres/ldap, see the patch Debian uses: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.0.16-2.diff.gz (or newer I guess). Luca Berra, care to look at this? (/me wonders when Debian will seriously consider sending patches upstream) Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pm0vrJK6UGDSBKcRApLnAKCXGUl+ChHVn3fuvmFpA+IKoQ69EACeNJMD FimwGXiyojsj+GiZPlq8L64= =BGhm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kile-1.6-1mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lenny Cartier wrote: [Contrib-RPM] -=-=-=- Name: kile Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 1.6 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: Mon Nov 3 14:44:06 2003 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: klama.mandrake.org Group : PublishingSource RPM: (none) Size: 1587376 License: GPL Signature : (none) Packager: Lenny Cartier [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://xm1.net.free.fr/kile/index.html Summary : Integrated LaTeX Environment for KDE3 Description : Integrated LaTeX Environment for KDE3 URL has changed: http://kile.sourceforge.net/ - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pnxvrJK6UGDSBKcRAiaFAJ4lkUKFVnD66SQIJ8IA4EEzPaqMnwCeJxjd kxHmNmwMX7g+ETUzC9+QNwA= =Fp/L -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Eclipse 2.1 hangs ... ?
Thomas Lionel SMETS wrote:
I upgraded my MDK 9.0 to 9.1
9.1 is an ancient (for this list) release. Please send your question to
list that deals with the stable releases (not the list that is working
on 10.0 now).
from a CD have now KDE desktop instead of
Gnome. Moreover I decided to do an install with a 'higher' ('standart'
'High' 'Higher' 'Paranoid') security Level. The install went OK but
know I seem to have lost a fair-bit of steering power.
Yes, security always sacrifices ease-of-use.
If I try to start LinuxConf from a normal user terminal where I su'ed,
it cannot connect to the X-client. So I did a 'xhost +127.0.0.1' with a
'xhost +192.168.1.105' (my IP) as root or as the user...
I keep getting :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# Error message from remadmin :
Error message from remadmin :Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
What else do I need to do ... ?
This is a generic X error, but has nothing to do with your eclipse problem.
Please, try the other lists Mandrake provides, expert and newbie may be
appropriate.
Regards,
Buchan
P.S. Eclipse works fine on my cooker box, since about the time it was
quite close to 9.1.
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Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
Robert L Martin wrote: SomeDrake needs to post when the official LG-SAFE isos are ready Why not just leave everyone in the dark? That would be better? (IOW, no kidding, but the ISOs aren't available). (im going to assume that somebody yelled STOP THE PRESSES (aka via BF ARRÊTEZ LES PRESSIONS) when this bug was found so i couldn't buy a nonLG-SAFE set) btw you might want to include how to tell the difference (like maybe the win32 auto run reads linux-Mandrake 9.2a?) It would be enough to make it say 9.2 ;-). -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] Re: What happened to am-utils?
Bryan Whitehead wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Bryan Whitehead wrote: Thanks for the kick in the pants. Looks like autofs can do what I need. Looks like this feature slipped in during 9.0 (or 8.2) and I didn't notice. Now if only autofs would support direct mounts we'd be another step closer to Solaris... ;) Could you explain what it is/how it works? auto_direct allows you to assign a directory a specific disk/nfsserver when it is accessed. this means you can make any directory managed by autofs without having autofs control the parent directory. most common use of direct mount is /var/mail. This config wants mail in /var/ to be mounted from a nfs server, but you can't have /var managed by autofs. So autofs will watch the mail directory directly. When a program enters/opens the directory autofs will mount the directory from it's configured source. An auto.direct entry would look like this: /var/mail -actimeo=0 s383:/export/mail someone may say... why don't you just keep in mounted??!?!. Because of stale NFS handles when servers go down. Even when the server comes back up the client may be hosed... if you have several hundred workstations this can suck real fast. NFS mounts should only be mounted when in use. If no one is looking at /var/mail then /var/mail should not be mounted via nfs. Currently on linux we would have to change /var/mail to be a symlink to /net/s383/export/mail. However, this becomes a problem when applications decide to save the mail folder as /net/s383/export/mail. If we move our mail services to another server we'll have problems. But mail is just a simple stupid example... /usr/local is software that is installed by the SA. Many shops share this over nfs (very common at JPL) so each workstation can have new software by installing it on the server... auto_direct would look like this: /usr/local -rw s383:/export/opt/local having /usr/local as a symlink to /net/export/opt/local can screw up many things. For example, if a project compiles software on their workstation configure/makefiles and binarys can end up with /net/export/opt/local in them... resulting in huge problems when servers are moved, or decommissioned. BTW, it appears that autofs 4.1 has/will have direct mount support, including with maps in LDAP. ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4/ Thomas, any chance of this in your kernel some time soon? ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v4/autofs4-2.4-module-20031013.tar.bz2 I will probably test it quite soon (some time next week I guess) myself either way, but this is definitely something that we will want to have in 10.0 ... Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] nss_ldap-211-1mdk
Dominique Petitpierre wrote: Hello, On Mandrake 9.2 (Download version) I have observed a symptom that is similar to the one discussed in the cooker mailing list thread [CHRPM] nss_ldap-211-1mdk on September 18 and 19 (http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg124027.html): After configuring ldap, commands fail with the following error message: relocation error: /lib/libnss_ldap.so.2: undefined symbol: dbopen I tried the rpm distributed with 9.2 (nss_ldap-207-2mdk.i586.rpm) as well as both version available at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~florin/www/rpms/ldap/: nss_ldap-207-2mdk.i586.rpm 18-Sep-2003 13:32 90K nss_ldap-211-2mdk.i586.rpm 18-Sep-2003 12:38 89K I am running nss_ldap-207-2mdk on two cooker boxes without problems. I don't have an official 9.2 tree accessible, or 9.2 ISOs though. Regards, Buchannss_lda -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Eric Fernandez wrote: In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not shut down cleanly, and a message appear : Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] nss_ldap-211-1mdk
Dominique Petitpierre wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for your quick answer:
On 31-Oct-03 at 16:38, Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
...
I am running nss_ldap-207-2mdk on two cooker boxes without problems.
...
I just tried again with the latest cooker version: nss_ldap-207-4mdk
ldd -r still complains about undefined symbol: dbopen.
Well, I seem to get the same error from ldd -r, but it seems to have no
impact on my system.
Could you please let me know the result, on your system,
of ldd and nm commands mentionned in my initial message, namely
rpm -q -f /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so
Testing on two different systems now, one with -2mdk, one with -4mdk:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ rpm -qf /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so
nss_ldap-207-2mdk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ ldd -r /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so
libldap.so.2 = /usr/lib/libldap.so.2 (0x40025000)
liblber.so.2 = /usr/lib/liblber.so.2 (0x40058000)
libcom_err.so.2 = /lib/libcom_err.so.2 (0x40064000)
libssl.so.0.9.7 = /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 (0x40067000)
libcrypto.so.0.9.7 = /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 (0x4009a000)
libdb-4.1.so = /usr/lib/libdb-4.1.so (0x4019c000)
libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4026b000)
libnsl.so.1 = /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x4026e000)
libresolv.so.2 = /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x40282000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x40293000)
libsasl2.so.2 = /usr/lib/libsasl2.so.2 (0x403c4000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000)
undefined symbol: dbopen(/lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ nm --dynamic /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so |
grep dbopen
U dbopen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ ldd /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so | awk '{print
$3}' | xargs nm --print-file-name --dynamic | grep dbopen
/usr/lib/libdb-4.1.so:00054540 T __db_dbopen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ rpm -qf /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so
nss_ldap-207-4mdk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ ldd -r /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so
libldap.so.2 = /usr/lib/libldap.so.2 (0x4003)
liblber.so.2 = /usr/lib/liblber.so.2 (0x40063000)
libkrb4.so.2 = /usr/lib/libkrb4.so.2 (0x4006f000)
libkrb5.so.3 = /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3 (0x4009)
libk5crypto.so.3 = /usr/lib/libk5crypto.so.3 (0x40105000)
libcom_err.so.2 = /lib/libcom_err.so.2 (0x4012d000)
libssl.so.0.9.7 = /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 (0x4013)
libcrypto.so.0.9.7 = /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 (0x40162000)
libdb-4.1.so = /usr/lib/libdb-4.1.so (0x40264000)
libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40333000)
libnsl.so.1 = /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40337000)
libresolv.so.2 = /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x4034b000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x4035c000)
libsasl2.so.2 = /usr/lib/libsasl2.so.2 (0x4048c000)
libdes425.so.3 = /usr/lib/libdes425.so.3 (0x404a)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000)
undefined symbol: dbopen(/lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ nm --dynamic /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so |
grep dbopen
U dbopen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ ldd /lib/libnss_ldap-2.3.2.so | awk '{print
$3}' | xargs nm --print-file-name --dynamic | grep dbopen
/usr/lib/libdb-4.1.so:00054540 T __db_dbopen
(it seems one version was compiled against kerberos, one wasn't - and
this is something that really needs to be addressed better, at present
since we don't necessarily force configure options, or BuildConflict
some packages, which features you get are sometimes quite random ...
AFAIK it should not be necessary to compile against kerberos now, since
we actually want GSSAPI via SASL instead?).
But, I don't see the problem:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ grep ^passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf
passwd: files ldap
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ wc -l /etc/passwd
38 /etc/passwd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ getent passwd|wc -l
187
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ wc -l /etc/pass
passwd passwd-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ wc -l /etc/passwd
33 /etc/passwd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ getent passwd|wc -l
182
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Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Eric Fernandez wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. I am sure it still does it on my cooker box. I'll check again on the fresh box and will report. Be very sure what you are reproducing. I can reproduce the notice, but not the data corruption (which was very easy to reproduce on 9.1 if you don't look carefully). On 9.1, you will first see a notice REBOOT LINUX, and then further down the page it will wait for you to confirm running fsck (but not time out, wait until you answer). It is if you answer yes here that you get data corruption. On 9.2, you never get there, since instead of the REBOOT LINUX notice, the machine automatically reboots. Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 6259] [urpmi] cannot install grace if grace-devel is installed
[aol002] wrote: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6259 Ok, thanks for your so fast answer. You're right, the grace package is corrected. but I had a similar problem lastweek on a cooker (not in prod, so I overided in the same way I did it here) with another package I cannot remember. I'll recreate a ticket I I can find this package and it is still bugged. Open a bug on the packages which are incorrectly packaged (not urpmi). BTW: will there be a MDKA with update of this package on MDK9.1? grace is in contrib, ie not officially supported (and will not get an official update for any problem). And it's usually not useful to provide an update for an issue that can be solved by one command (ie using the version number with urpmi). Regards, Buchan -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 6264] [drakxtools] New: drakperm does not save settings
[zefo] wrote: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6264 Summary: drakperm does not save settings Product: drakxtools Version: 9.2-9mdk Platform: PC OS/Version: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: DrakSec AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i changed permissions (actual security level 3) for /home/* from 711 to 750, hit ok, then reran drakperm and the setting was back to 711. i had to lower down the security level in draksec, then manually edit /usr/share/msec/perm.3 and then set the security level back in draksec. drakxtools is currently 9.2-18mdk in cooker, and 9.2-16.3mdk in Mandrake 9.2 with all updates. IIRC, your bug was fixed for 9.2-16.3mdk, please update and test. -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] Gnome Ghostview does not allow changing printer settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le jeu 30/10/2003 à 01:40, lamikr_mdk a écrit : I tried to change the printer settings in the ggv (ggv-2.4.0.1-1mdk) from /usr/bin/lpr to xpp but the settings does not store. If I try to print or go to check out settings again, /usr/bin/lpr is back... Does anybody know where ggv stores config files, maybe I could then try to change this setting manually. this cooker, not expert/confirme/... see in gconf-editor - apps - ggv - printing - command key Or, to do this system-wide: # update-alternatives --config lpr There are 3 programs which provide `lpr'. SelectionCommand - --- 1/usr/bin/lpr-xpp *+2/usr/bin/lpr-cups 3/usr/bin/lpr-kprinter Enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oPvjrJK6UGDSBKcRAg+oAKC9TSf6nfjRbZb0YgOLDxhAPTIjWACeMDoO VFH+bzS3hKfLQVZveOTYVdk= =1KDr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] When can we finally get X to fall back to XFdrake??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Buchan Milne wrote: A long time ago, X used to fall back to running a configuration tool. This may have been long ago, when XFdrake wstill had a link for XF86configure (or whatever Redhat used to call their tool). Why, if a user makes a mistake, do they end up with a console login, when they could have XFdrake instead to help them fix the problem? See the comments in the OSNews review to see why I am asking this again. Windows95 even had a safe mode which would help you reoconfigure your display settings. 8 years later, and Mandrake doesn't. Seen on a local LUG list: I made the mistake of changing my monitor, and now X doesn't seem to be running...I have no idea on how to fix the problem or where to start. I am currently running Mandrake 9.1. Is there a console program (like in RedHat, namely, setup and then to X setup) where you can fix the X display resolution / refresh rates? Or if there isn't, how can I set up my computer to use the default setting which allows any monitor to be connected to it and it still displays something. What files do I need to edit? This kind of question should never need to be asked ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oQchrJK6UGDSBKcRArIrAKCsRiHT4l4W5zzB1YgS8MiblW6wjQCfcHrM LcqhL9RRyRx6yIBdxTlTv3w= =ygZ7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Boot-up speed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Lothian wrote: Would it be possible to have a desktop pc option at install where all prioritories are for a desktop user Make the gui no 1 prioritory at boot time Only load services when they're needed (or after gui is up) I think that's what WinXP does. It's not that simple. For me to be able to log in (on my desktop in a LAN), I need at least NFS (ie portmap, nfslock) and autofs up and running. For a disconnected LDAP setup (see the article on mandrakesecure.net), I need LDAP up and running too (otherwise is is not possible to login, or show user lists if using user lists on the dm). So, maybe a Windows XP home type scenario and a Windows XP Pro in Windows domain-type scenario. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oQizrJK6UGDSBKcRAqbZAJ0SQriYn+c9iq5d4fJM/pD39r6pbwCfWw/G wXF8Ov+0fK2uq0Foq9tLCBM= =eiTP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] When can we finally get X to fall back to XFdrake??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Le jeu 30/10/2003 à 13:42, Buchan Milne a écrit : Buchan Milne wrote: A long time ago, X used to fall back to running a configuration tool. This may have been long ago, when XFdrake wstill had a link for XF86configure (or whatever Redhat used to call their tool). Why, if a user makes a mistake, do they end up with a console login, when they could have XFdrake instead to help them fix the problem? See the comments in the OSNews review to see why I am asking this again. Windows95 even had a safe mode which would help you reoconfigure your display settings. 8 years later, and Mandrake doesn't. Seen on a local LUG list: I made the mistake of changing my monitor, and now X doesn't seem to be running...I have no idea on how to fix the problem or where to start. I am currently running Mandrake 9.1. Is there a console program (like in RedHat, namely, setup and then to X setup) where you can fix the X display resolution / refresh rates? Or if there isn't, how can I set up my computer to use the default setting which allows any monitor to be connected to it and it still displays something. What files do I need to edit? This kind of question should never need to be asked ... Sorry to be against you Buchan, but as he knew there is a console program in RH, he should knew there is also one in Mdk aka XFdrake ... And what if the user had never used Redhat before??? This guy has been using Linux on hist desktop for over a year, do we expect newbies to know more than this? I could agree if he had said : i tried drakXfree and didn't found it, but here, he didn't even try to figure out. May be we should normalize definitively the Mandrake tools as drak* for example, but that's another point. This is largely irrelevant. For a desktop OS, it is criminal to dump a user in a console without any help if they have just changed the monitor. If we can't ensure that X will come up, why should newbies use Mandrake over Debian? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oRAurJK6UGDSBKcRAjXEAJ9v3nN6Qew1iQcNTKNy2oWoTtXIGACgo1/6 sN2E3j43jKjKf8rj29PI27g= =u8kz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Boot-up speed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jos Hulzink wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Michael Lothian wrote: Would it be possible to have a desktop pc option at install where all prioritories are for a desktop user Make the gui no 1 prioritory at boot time Only load services when they're needed (or after gui is up) I think that's what WinXP does. Indeed, but this is impossible due to the fact Xfree acts like a monolythic block of concrete that relies on networking and stuff. As long as linux gets no decent separation between accellerated drivers and an X that supports this, (see also KGI, XGGI, fbdev) this is not an option. Mind that even in XP you can't log in untill your networking is up, if you are logging on to a domain. But it sure looks 1000 x faster and more smooth. Yes, just accept the username and password, and show some moving graphics until you have authenticated the user. Ever noticed how long it takes to tell you your password is wrong on first start? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oRCtrJK6UGDSBKcRAtpgAJ0c8l24eHCb/QUigsDcH9AH12YfuACgyi2d sNSR8QqrO58Rag+AVgX9fBw= =lufS -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] When can we finally get X to fall back to XFdrake??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 13:22, Greg Meyer wrote: I think Buchan's point is that if one tries to start X and it fails, XFdrake should be launched automatically to try and help the user fix the problem. Uh, it is. Anyone who uses nvidia drivers knows this, as every time you install a new kernel they aren't found, X fails to start, and Mandrake pops up two nice prompts offering to start XFdrake and show you the logs. Are you using gdm? That would be the *non-default* display manager, and this doesn't work with kdm or mdkkdm, and probably not 'startx' either. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oRQdrJK6UGDSBKcRAh1LAKC8HjMj2DN6+BsZ2O5UQz/wwWofwACgs+iY ppMX2E4cbMNfAmAbGgEzzw8= =t52F -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] When can we finally get X to fall back to XFdrake??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Le jeu 30/10/2003 à 14:20, Buchan Milne a écrit : Sorry to be against you Buchan, but as he knew there is a console program in RH, he should knew there is also one in Mdk aka XFdrake ... And what if the user had never used Redhat before??? This guy has been using Linux on hist desktop for over a year, do we expect newbies to know more than this? Yes, but in that case, he should subscribe to MandrakeClub or buy a pack and solve this problem with the manual or on-line. Why should he need a manual to do this trivial thing? When last did you need a manual to do this in Windows (I'm guessing it was Windows 3.1). This is largely irrelevant. For a desktop OS, it is criminal to dump a user in a console without any help if they have just changed the monitor. If we can't ensure that X will come up, why should newbies use Mandrake over Debian? I agree on this point in the case you describe. I was just answering about THIS user in particular. BTW, i'm not sure if we should provide such -finger in the nose- practice that far : at the end, this is the kind of plus value one should expect from club membership and/or pack ? So, we shouldn't be making a user-friendly linux distribution, instead we should make a user-unfriendly linux distribution, and then sell support? Sorry, but this business model is doomed. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oRU4rJK6UGDSBKcRAoTCAJ0QKFxC4Bxh6OXI80rsqcvv9DN1HQCgrSfj ynhNTghmZNdtZE0/ebZAmkY= =qA8h -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] When can we finally get X to fall back to XFdrake??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Ciger wrote: | Le jeu 30/10/2003 à 14:20, Buchan Milne a écrit : | |Sorry to be against you Buchan, but as he knew there is a console |program in RH, he should knew there is also one in Mdk aka XFdrake ... | |And what if the user had never used Redhat before??? This guy has been |using Linux on hist desktop for over a year, do we expect newbies to |know more than this? I have better idea than to dump the newbie to XFdrake (that is finally a security risk, since the tool runs as root - i.e. you reboot, X fails, XFdrake runs, you are away from the machine and somebody screws your computer in the meantime). Who said it would be without password? It should be something along the lines of The X Window System failed to start, enter your root password to reconfigure the X Windows System. The only question, is who would be running this? (Svetjlo's idea is better though, better to have vesa X than newt console version of XFdrake). Why not put a message into /etc/issue saying to run XFdrake ? Do you mean /etc/motd? It will display on the console, so the newbie gets the idea to do it. It is trivial change and will fix the issue. sarcasm Why don't we have cron send the user email saying Please run this task now instead of running said task? It would be more secure than having cron run the tasks, as cron could run as an unpriveleged user ... /sarcasm IMHO, a better /etc/motd (last time I saw FreeBSD, it had some hints in /etc/motd) would be worthwhile, but mostly for console users (ie Permissions changing all the time? Configure msec using 'drakperm' (needs X) Missing software? Search with urpmq name, urpmf --description keyword or urpmf filename, install with urpmi package. Remember to update your packages by adding an updates urpmi medium and running 'urpmi.update update_source; urpmi --auto-select --media update_source'. Missing the tools you used during installation? Run 'drakconf' (console) For application-specific help, try 'man -K keyword' or check the documentation installed with a package by running 'rpm -qd package' To remove this message, run ' /etc/motd' Now, *that* would be useful. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oSzlrJK6UGDSBKcRAjrHAKDHQA87bWuiIArBfN1723CKrq78LACeNVhY A4l3jnrKk5fE7oJSGmoF2Wk= =wR3L -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: Hi everyone I have updated my guide, corrected the font problem and added the kernel update tutorial. BTW, you may want to mention Club free (I believe the urpmi.web page has some mirrors listed) urpmi meduim. Currently for 9.2 we have only mozilla-1.5 (and updated win4lin kernels but they are now behind again). For 9.1, there is quite a bit more, including mozilla-1.5, OpenOffice.org-1.1, and a few more (with my last packages for 9.1 coming soon). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/oT+ZrJK6UGDSBKcRAqICAJsG9zPCoWeYW4z6JiaL8jGhW1YmhwCeM1Na JSsqO9k9Z9rYgwaBg69lgXA= =DgVf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: Kernel and Samba
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norman Zhang wrote: Hi Buchan, My Samba box stalls after some usage, mapped drives disappear and users can't write or read from drives. The stalls happen randomly. I'm running 2.4.19-16mdksmp and Samba 2.2.7a-9.2mdk. May I ask is this a kernel bug or Samba bug? Does anyone know a fix for it? I checked the memory from BIOS, they didn't report any errors. BIOS memory check is (mostly) useless. Use memtest86 or similar. Sure I will test it with memtest86 and report back. I have been running LM9.0 with Samba on this box for 3/4 year now. The problem only arose in the last 2 months by random. I swapped brand new Crucial Micron ECC DDR266 SDRAM, but the problem still presists. BTW, the BIOS memory check is quite extensive (Intel claims to scan it block by block). It takes about 1 to 2 minutes for it to scan the memory. Not sure how this compares to memtest86. I guess I will wait after hours before I can run a memtest86. I ran memtest and found no error. Do you have other suggestions that I can further troubleshoot this? There are no cards plugged to the system. The system just runs software RAID. Thus it seems to be either XFS, md or samba bug. I would guess XFS. You may want to try a more recent kernel? (Thomas hinted that earlier kernels may have had some issues with XFS). But I think I'm running on XFS on the only production Winbind box I have at present (running 8.2 still!), with no problems. But the only box I have running XFS with an smp kernel runs 9.1. Maybe I could try upgrading samba to 2.2.8a-2mdk from your web server. I would prefer if you used on of the samba FTP mirrors, you can get setup easily at http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/?minor=1 (choose a Samba medium). Are there potential gotchas that I should watch out for? Not that I know of. In fact, I had reports that Squid authentication via winbind works with these but not the version you have. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n5x4rJK6UGDSBKcRAm7jAJ0eC55sftiAdids8ednjYV/RjrXVwCfRrzf hp3Z6hE87MS2P7yhqclPxIs= =NizD -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] bootsplash kernel progress bar on non-mdk kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrey Borzenkov wrote: Apparently this progress bar is displayed not by kernel but by some external program? No, it seems just to work by placing show $num in /proc/splash where $num is a 16bit integer (see /sbin/splash.sh and the rc_splash function in /etc/rc.d/). On 2.4.23-pre8 it is too short while on 2.6 it extends over the right side - apparently it depends on relative kernel version number :) Does framebuffer work on 2.6? seriously, how it is computed? Oh, and anyone knows any attepmt to port bootsplash to 2.6? Even incomplete one - it could be taken for a start Probably better to ask on the bootsplash list? I am sure they are interested. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n55IrJK6UGDSBKcRAsSSAKDB1swhRO2AEEaeshiPDWPCM0ZwHACdFxFc JTMqwKO65aGqMT7YVPmsDsw= =q3ij -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emmanuel Moll wrote: I'm using chrips' from http://norlug.org/~chipster/index.pxml?rpms Hmm, do these have the l10n files? These packages were made after the 1.5 packages I made for Club (9.1 and 9.2) with corresponding galeon (still in testing since I did them on Saturday) and epiphany packages were made publicly available on the MandrakeClub mirrors. Of course, they have already been in testing by Club members for over a week before that. I wonder if chipster also updated the relevant enigmail sources to actually get a working enigmail or not ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n6ATrJK6UGDSBKcRAmLGAJ40MMlaQom4Ogl5UuCK6+FLc1VZ4QCfY5Sg Nu0Gr0Jl2TWA39NSL3RvthU= =5bPp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Coe wrote: Emmanuel Moll wrote: I'm using chrips' from http://norlug.org/~chipster/index.pxml?rpms Manu I have noticed the norlug mozilla-1.5-1 bombs reliably on 9.2 when mail is called from the browser status bar. I'd better let chipster know :-). Works fine in 1.5-0.92mdk: http://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-devel/unsupported/MandrakeClub/9.2/i586/ Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n7nYrJK6UGDSBKcRAjStAJ9uW8tquP1Cwg14oqGQ/YNeDAj8LgCgzJId lHPbhCKXDu6VYtPrhS9xh6o= =HOv4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Install description need to be update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Thauvin wrote: During 9.2 install, in package section, language French: (I translate from french to english) Internet: Some tools to send and read mail (pine, mutt) [...] Isn't time to remove pine from example ??? Except you plan to take pine from plf and put it back into main ;) Or allow network installation to install files direcltly from other urpmi media (like PLF)? ;-) - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n75zrJK6UGDSBKcRAlnDAKDCx01YdrHBeLcJ32a0zEkFQo0w5ACgx+/G VfCZuBM4SUKCCwrkX1bjsTY= =ekFL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] You really screwed up this time: Inconsistency between mirrors and packages in ML 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galileo wrote: Old subject didn't get any attention, so I'm posting with this one which will surely get some. And it had nothing to do with the subject, but the fact that it was still quite a conflict-generating post. While I was trying to build updated isos i found in misc/doc/download a line kernel-source exclude. What ? this can't be true. It is true, the download edition ISOs didn't have space for kernel source. Yes, misc/doc applies *only* to ISO images, not to the mirrors. I search trough rpms, rpms2 and rpms3 and it isn't there. http://mandrake.contactel.cz/Mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.22-10mdk.i586.rpm I check on fr2.rpmfind.net and its there. Hm strange, lets see what else is missing. Maybe fr2.rpmfind.net isn't in sync. I copy all the files from my rpms dirs to one directory and compare contents of that dir to fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ What the f*** ? Yes, that's a nice way to encourage us to answer your questions when you don't even check official mirrors (or known-good ones). A LOOT of differences. It seems that I'm missing a lot of packages. My first thought was that these missing packages were transferred to contrib. Lets check no not there. Wait what's that. I have gcc-cpp_f-0.0.1-1mdk.noarch.rpm but on remote ftp there isn't one. No idea what gcc-cpp_f is, never seen it before. I start to look at the differences and I notice a couple of odd things libsane-hpoj1-0.90-9mdk.i586.rpm that i have is newer that on mirror (on mirror libsane-hpoj1-0.90-8mdk), What does the changelog on -9mdk say? mandrake_doc-en-9.2-0.9mdk.noarch.rpm that I have is older than on the mirror (mirror mandrake_doc-en-9.2-1mdk.noarch.rpm ) Not sure about this. Maybe you could politely ask the maintainer about the changes reflected in the changelog (which you can see easily if you subscribe to the changelog list. This has to me mirrors fault? I check with mandrakeclub mirror and its the same thing. What happened ??? I have been told recently not to bitch/complain but to be a little more diplomatic when posting here. So here it is, I'm not bitching but asking nicely. Riight, read the end of your previous post, really diplomatic in comparison to all the other threads. I can understand that some packages like powermanga which isn't important (although very nice game) couldn't be fitted on the first 3 cds but why wasn't it transferred to contrib. Because contrib isn't main, main isn't contrib. That has nothing to do with the fact that main is over 200MB larger than the space available on 3 CDs. And what's with the different versions ? I can understand that due to the last minute changes a newer package can be included in the download edition, but on mirrors a few packets are newer then in download !? So what should I do now ? I can download the missing packages from mirror but what shall I do with the packages which have different versions ? Read the changelog to see if it's anything that affects you. I don't see why I need to read your posts if you continue like this, so don't expect an answer if you stick to your current style (as it doesn't seem you are motivating anyone else to answer your posts either). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n8rrrJK6UGDSBKcRAivSAJ9Sve6/iltoMaJ60uEu6lLseAGCfgCgjFNU 59TfGrzhyxgpheaCYePCZsw= =TvZq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Install description need to be update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nora Etukudo wrote: Am 29. Oktober 2003 um 15:19:48 +0200 schrieb Buchan Milne: Or allow network installation to install files direcltly from other urpmi media (like PLF)? ;-) Yes! Please. I would like this. :-) But it should work with AutoInstall also. Of course, since you may want to be able to have some internal applications installed during installation (and some other features related to unattended package installation could still be nice). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n8xRrJK6UGDSBKcRApSoAJ0SLvUytfAsHE7bvDczCWIcfsAgSgCgkeKk Hr92UPXz+xjWWkGsg1ktefA= =hfUV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daouda LO wrote: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan Ciger wanted us to know: computers. Setting up NTP server there is : a) overkill Maybe, for a dialup, I'll give you that. b) quite tricky if you do not know what you are doing I think someone should add to a wiki somewhere: urpmi ntp echo server time.ucla.edu prefer /etc/ntp.conf echo time.ucla.edu /etc/ntp/step-tickers service ntpd restart It will automatically be configured to start when the rpm is installed. Ok, i just finished putting ntp client feature in mcc (clock.pl). It's aimed to sync with a ntp server in local network but can be used for external ntp servers. Replace /usr/sbin/clock.pl by the one at http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~daouda/misc/clock.pl FeedbacksBugReports are welcome. Well, in case you missed the NTP threads/bugs from about 2 months ago, the default configuration (assuming users have full access to outside NTP servers) should have 3 entries for 'pool.ntp.org' (IIRC, check in bugzilla), since they have round-robin DNS, so ntpd should get 3 different servers: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ host pool.ntp.org pool.ntp.org has address 217.114.97.97 pool.ntp.org has address 217.157.1.202 pool.ntp.org has address 65.211.109.11 pool.ntp.org has address 129.240.64.3 pool.ntp.org has address 130.60.73.143 pool.ntp.org has address 130.94.201.36 pool.ntp.org has address 193.170.141.4 pool.ntp.org has address 204.17.42.199 pool.ntp.org has address 206.168.231.98 pool.ntp.org has address 209.162.205.202 pool.ntp.org has address 212.204.230.141 pool.ntp.org has address 212.242.64.180 pool.ntp.org has address 213.15.3.1 pool.ntp.org has address 213.134.172.184 pool.ntp.org has address 216.27.185.42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bgmilne]$ host pool.ntp.org pool.ntp.org has address 216.27.185.42 pool.ntp.org has address 217.114.97.97 pool.ntp.org has address 217.157.1.202 pool.ntp.org has address 65.211.109.11 pool.ntp.org has address 129.240.64.3 pool.ntp.org has address 130.60.73.143 pool.ntp.org has address 130.94.201.36 pool.ntp.org has address 193.170.141.4 pool.ntp.org has address 204.17.42.199 pool.ntp.org has address 206.168.231.98 pool.ntp.org has address 209.162.205.202 pool.ntp.org has address 212.204.230.141 pool.ntp.org has address 212.242.64.180 pool.ntp.org has address 213.15.3.1 pool.ntp.org has address 213.134.172.184 Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n+W8rJK6UGDSBKcRAu0KAJ0fec8tXHbh1Zy3bxf0PgZpyU+IZwCglP3T vB3/osOltwR2PLjBa041LXY= =cCrO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion: move 9.2 to 9.2b or 9.2.1 and CHANGE the kernel!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: Claudio wrote: Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) Since many of us are having BIG problem with the 9.2 tree on the mirror (expecially for the LG-bug), imho it would be safe to REMOVE the actual 9.2 and upload a new 9.2b or similar, with the fixed kernel (and the correct kde packages and so on...). What do you think about it? Thanks, Claudio What you suggest has been announced ages ago on the errata page... Moreover, there is nothing to remove since it has not been distributed to the public and is not available on server (except for leaked versions). And the FTP tree, with (I assume) offending kernels in the floppy images and the modules for said kernel in the stage2's on the mirrors. http://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake/9.2/i586/images/ Parent Directory - MD5SUM 23-Sep-2003 12:03 383 alternatives/ 23-Sep-2003 12:03- blank.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M cdrom-changedisk.img23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M cdrom.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M hd.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M hdcdrom_usb.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M memtest-x86.bin 10-Sep-2002 12:59 79K network.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M network_gigabit_usb.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M pcmcia.img 23-Sep-2003 12:03 1.4M Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n+Y8rJK6UGDSBKcRAoW0AKC8cL1O+ZGCaolAAtdwyyT0VDhFRwCfc99w vWNrzdWX9LK7krQoIAOMbpw= =F6aC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: NTP client in clock.pl [Was: Re: [Cooker] Some wishes for Mandrake 10.0...]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luca Berra wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:07:25PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: Well, in case you missed the NTP threads/bugs from about 2 months ago, the default configuration (assuming users have full access to outside NTP servers) should have 3 entries for 'pool.ntp.org' (IIRC, check in bugzilla), since they have round-robin DNS, so ntpd should get 3 different servers: the problem is that you cannot use dns names for restrictions in ntpd.conf, so we would have to putt all ip addresses for pool.ntp.org in there. But I think (looking at Daouda's updated clock.pl) that we are talking about the 'server' entries in /etc/ntp.conf, which most certainly can be hostnames, and the NTP people have been suggesting using 3 entries the pool.ntp.org for a few months now. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n/5wrJK6UGDSBKcRAiecAJwIOHFj+7P4O090bCAn8LH4JcEcYwCdFrWS 3YTQG5s0D4NmIq1s2wx2DI8= =wKBM -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] You really screwed up this time: Inconsistency between mirrors and packages in ML 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galileo wrote: BM And it had nothing to do with the subject, but the fact that it was BM still quite a conflict-generating post. You replied within 30 minutes. A rest my case :) I will reply to this one only because you have some misconceptions about this list. After this one, I will ignore you (probably via procmail rules) just like everyone else is. It was 1:20 AM, I was pretty frustrated while trying to figure who the hell cares. I'm an unsatisfied customer, This isn't a customer support list, it's the development list, your questions about 9.2 belong somewhere else. BM Because contrib isn't main, main isn't contrib. That has nothing to do BM with the fact that main is over 200MB larger than the space available on BM 3 CDs. So should we make another Contrib. Or should we just let these 200mb of packages stay in total oblivion ? No, they live about the same place contrib does. They are on the Powerpack and ProSuite CDs. Yes, add a urpmi medium for main to machines running from the 3 download ISOs (just as you would for contrib). BM Read the changelog to see if it's anything that affects you. ? Do you even understand what I'm talking about. If it doesn't affect me maybe it affects other people. BM I don't see why I need to read your posts if you continue like this, so BM don't expect an answer if you stick to your current style (as it doesn't BM seem you are motivating anyone else to answer your posts either). Good. Then I will know that I'm left on my own and that I have to make my own modifications, ??? build my own isos, If you want. and my own updates. I don't think you would be able to keep up with Vince. And at the end if it turns up that it is to much for me I will try some other distribution. i haven't installed anything else except mandrake in the last few years (since RH 6.2) but maybe its time to start now. Or maybe it's time to change your expectations of this list. If you're paying me consulting rates, I will be very polite, but you're not my client just as you aren't a client of any of the other non-Mandrake contributors on this list, and the Mandrakesoft people on this list are developers, not support staff. If you aren't prepared to file a bug for cooker, your issue does not belong on this list. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/n/RfrJK6UGDSBKcRAnhXAJ4jocLxc6ngW21M28p0KAs/pPw/MgCeKOeO lKjFNTUnAkbG95H54ObGk1s= =sLYc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 problems with Dell Laptop c640
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jaimon Jose wrote: Hi, I have few of hardware related problems with a dell latitude c640 1. I use a TEAC CD224E DVD drive with this. I can see that drive is properly recognized while booting. But I don't have a /dev/dvd created. ( dmesg is attached.) # ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd (or similar)? /dev/dvd isn't necessary for anything really, it's just a convenience link (like /dev/pilot too), and I don't know if there is any easy way to auto-detect it. 2. I do have a PCTEL 2304WT v.92 modem. I can't see 9.2 recognizing this as valid modem. I'm trying to set it up as per http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/. This appears to be little old. Is this correct? 3. As reported earlier, I have disabled ACPI due to system lock up. I can't suspend the system now which was possible with Mandrake 9.1. If anybody is interested in helping me debugging the problem, I can provide sufficient information. Boot with the 'nolapic' option, ie at the bootloader prompt, hit ESC and type: linux nolapic If if fixes it (all other Dell users who have tried this had success), then add the option to the append line of your default kernel entry in the bootloader. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/njiJrJK6UGDSBKcRAqy7AJ47PW+vdPbojnzRqkrIwP+S00ekTQCdF4Q9 YkhejLvXKeXpbEBeAPK8+w8= =sBbs -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Fwd: [plug] Mandrake Bug announce warning rant ahead
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon Brooks wrote: FYI; Scott runs a local Linux retail business and consultancy -- Forward; originally to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Subject: [plug] Mandrake Bug announce warning rant ahead Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:58 From: Scott Middleton DESPAMMED rant I am pissed off.. Has anyone seen an official announcement to the Mandrake users that using their latest and greatest will completely stuff their CDROM? It's been on the errata page for a few days already. I don't care that it is not their fault. I don't care that Suse has the same problem nor do i care if they have found a fix. I was told because i subscribe to PLUG. I am on the announcements list at Mandrake but it is usually 2 weeks behind. Maybe i will receive an official notice in two weeks! If you are subscribed to security-announce, you would have received notice along with the notification about the kernel update that fixes the issue. I meet people everyday who run Mandrake but are not on any Mailing List. They are not activists, they just don't want to pay for software and they don't want to steal it either. How are they supposed to know when it is not even on the Mandrake Club front page? The MandrakeClub front page is not where you go to read up on issues that may affect you on installation of a new release. That's what the errata page is for. I *always* check the errata page when installing on a client's machine, and usually check it for my own machines too. If you even consider installing a distro on a machine without reading the errata page, you're wasting your time and putting hardware at risk. I think this is a very important piece of information that should be well publicised by them at least in an effort to have some credibility. This just seems typical of M$ worrying about bottom line rather than the users of the product. I expect a big blazon across their homepage saying Please be aware that Mandrake 9.2 can destroy your CDROM. Or at least; some official notice. - From the errata page: If you have or use a LG-based CD-ROM drive please read the special Errata specifically for that severe problem! where Errata points to http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/lgerrata.php3 which has quite comprehensive coverage of the issue. - From the kernel advisory from this morning: A problem was discovered where the kernel would destroy certain LG- based CD-ROM devices. This problem has been fixed in the kernels provided and MandrakeSoft encourages everyone to upgrade. I suppose what really pisses me off is i have now lost one of my major Linux selling points. Linux is good because it doesn't hide its faults, it acknowledges them and then fixes it. ??? I didn't lose any CDROMs only because i didn't (fortunately) upgrade all the machines that are running Mandrake. My home machine luckily doesn't have LG CDROM and is working wonderfully. So for me it wasn't the cost of membership + 1 or more CDROMs but for many others it was. Subtract the cost of the CDROMs, since LG must replace them if they are under warranty (and I think all of them still should be). Even worse for Mandrake it only affects the financial contributors. The people who are starting to make Mandrake profitable, this really can't be good business decision for them. I can live with bugs and mistakes but i can't live with irresponsible behaviour and not informing users is plainly irresponsible. I will have to reconsider being a financial member next year. ??? Maybe i am overreacting about people having to buy a new CDROM, forget the warranty, who wants to wait weeks/months for a replacement one. I am just a bit disappointed in Mandrake and their lack of urgency in informing the public. /rant In the future, please read the errata page *before* installing or ranting. BTW, Mandrakesoft *has* been working extensively on this problem, and not only on this list (we started on the maintainers list on 20 October, as soon as we saw reports from some users on MandrakeClub). The thing is though that it was not totally clear exactly which drives were affected and under which circumstances until a few days later. Anyway, LG is responsible for the problem, if you had destroyed a drive, you could have returned it and had a refund or a replacement unit. I understand your frustration, but it's not possible to conduct every single issue in public, and the errata page exists for a reason, for you to read it *before* installing, *especially* if you are a consultant and install on other people's hardware. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le ven 24/10/2003 à 12:20, Jan Ciger a écrit : Brad Felmey wrote: | I will smile and politely pat you on the shoulder, understanding | perfectly that you obviously have zero experience migrating an | enterprise environment to Linux. Well, yes, you are right, but what I do not agree with is putting a link to smb:/ on the desktop, unless it is made more reliable. It does not work properly for me (I am current on Cooker) - I am seeing some shares from our Windows server but not others, some directories seem to be empty even though they are not and many other strange things like this. Either use LinNeighborhood (which works fine for me) or nothing for now, because a half-broken solution is worse than none. filled bug reports against lisa/gnome-vfs/kio-smb yes, but not to say they are bugged. The whole design idea is wrong. IMO in doesn't make sense to abstract a filesystem at a DE level, at least not for current systems. It would be better if lisa (or whatever) asked LUFS or even plain (smb)mount to mount the fs. This is less work and has probably less bugs than the current hacks. Playing an mp3 via smb:// currently means downloading the file first before a player starts playing it. I do not want 2 minute pauses between my music (don't even try it with video). Mounting it makes it available for all apps and toolkits. Makes more sense to me. I agree. But smbmount / smbfs is the wrong place to start now, mount.cifs / cifs is the better place to start (in case you want to watch a movie 2GB or access Win2k3 shares etc. BTW, pam_mount and kio_smb are enough for us here (mainly since we have a better solution for file sharing, a specific, automated share for temporary sharing, and well-managed shares accessible via samba and NFS for project-related files etc), so I won't have much motivation to look at this ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nkicrJK6UGDSBKcRAkQiAJ4jex7/rGC5vAZbS+MTlb/cdClIOwCffEDx 3xRMU+QgxAZId5Hmprha5fE= =Kw0b -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10.23, Brad Felmey wrote: BTW, if this ever comes to mdk, plz think that a network neighborhood is not a 'windows' nbh, you can also see nfs shares... Learn from osx, the network browse window shows AppleTalk zones and SMB zones, you do not distinguish them. Well, at present lisa is so depressing that I can't really suggest lan:/ over smb:/. If lisa is improved (to show something like this: LAN Browser: -All machines (current content of lan:/, showing all protocols) -Windows-compatible (smb:/) -Netware-compatible (as yet non-existent ncp:/) -Unix-compatible (as yet non-existent nfs:/ or autofs:/) -Directory (a better ldap:/, with working AD and NDS support) ) then I would agree. But, in a network with more than one subnet and/or workgroup, lan:/ is not able to do as well (for smb) as smb:/ (trust me). Since there is no precedent on unix for even needing to show an NFS browser on the desktop, I don't think it's such a high priority (since autofs can take care of it anyway, but can't do the same for most smb shares). BTW, I have looked at this briefly, and this is what I have at the moment: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/screenshots/konqueror-network-services.png (Some windows machines on our network see 53 workgroups, I see 52 in smb:/ at present) Some small issues at present, mainly with LDAP: kio_ldap needs some work, since IMHO ldap:/ should show the default LDAP server (as pam_ldap, nss_ldap and ldapsearch etc use), either the one configured in /etc/ldap.conf, or if it is not configured there, the result of a lookup for the _ldap._tcp SRV record. Also, my Directory entry doesn't have a tree that expands, if you try an expand it, you get an error Can't find parent item ldap://ldap.cae.co.za/?one in the tree. Internal error. Also, double clicking on an entry gives you the dn for the entry in KWrite (no attributes even). I guess we need a kpart for LDIF. I have attached two files, modify them (at least the ldap.desktop if you have an LDAP server) and place them in .kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/virtual_folders/services Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nksErJK6UGDSBKcRAvXIAJ4m+VS/HOtGf3dYA/mo5zSwfMvBkgCgopbS NSDQdl4bmWqhLe8N1ewiBgA= =FJIZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=Link URL=ldap://ldap.cae.co.za/dc=cae,dc=co,dc=za Icon=network Name=Directory Name[af]=lan blaaier Name[ar]=تصفح LAN Name[az]=LAN Səhhayı Name[bg]=Преглед на локална мрежа(LAN) Name[bs]=LAN preglednik Name[cs]=Prohlížení lokální sítě Name[de]=LAN-Browser Name[el]=Περιηγητής LAN Name[eo]=Rigardilo por loka reto Name[es]=Navegador LAN Name[et]=LANi lehitsemine Name[eu]=LAN Arakatzailea Name[fi]=LAN-selailu Name[fr]=Navigateur dans le réseau local Name[he]=רשת מקומית Name[hu]=A helyi hálózat böngészése Name[is]=Flakk um staðarnet Name[it]=Navigazione della rete locale Name[ja]=LAN ブラウザ Name[lt]=Vietinio tinklo naršyklė Name[lv]=LAN Pārlūks Name[nb]=Lan-surfer Name[nl]=LAN-Browser Name[nn]=LAN-surfing Name[pl]=Przeglądarka sieci lokalnej Name[pt]=Navegador da LAN Name[pt_BR]=Navegação LAN Name[ro]=Navigator LAN Name[ru]=Просмотр локальной сети Name[sk]=Prehliadanie siete LAN Name[sl]=Brskanje po LAN Name[sv]=LAN-bläddrare Name[ta]=LAN ¯Ä¡Å¢ Name[th]=การเรียกดูระบบแลน Name[tr]=LAN Tarayıcı Name[uk]=Перегляд ЛОМ Name[ven]=Buronza ya LAN Name[vi]=Trình duyệt LAN Name[xh]=Umkhangeli zincwadi we LAN Name[xx]=xx Name[zh_CN]=LAN 浏览器 Name[zh_TW]=區域網路瀏覽器 Name[zu]=Umbheki zincwadi ze LAN Open=false X-KDE-TreeModule=Directory X-KDE-KonqSidebarModule=konqsidebar_tree [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Type=Link URL=smb:/ Icon=network Name=Windows Network Name[af]=lan blaaier Name[ar]=تصفح LAN Name[az]=LAN Səhhayı Name[bg]=Преглед на локална мрежа(LAN) Name[bs]=LAN preglednik Name[cs]=Prohlížení lokální sítě Name[de]=LAN-Browser Name[el]=Περιηγητής LAN Name[eo]=Rigardilo por loka reto Name[es]=Navegador LAN Name[et]=LANi lehitsemine Name[eu]=LAN Arakatzailea Name[fi]=LAN-selailu Name[fr]=Navigateur dans le réseau local Name[he]=רשת מקומית Name[hu]=A helyi hálózat böngészése Name[is]=Flakk um staðarnet Name[it]=Navigazione della rete locale Name[ja]=LAN ブラウザ Name[lt]=Vietinio tinklo naršyklė Name[lv]=LAN Pārlūks Name[nb]=Lan-surfer Name[nl]=LAN-Browser Name[nn]=LAN-surfing Name[pl]=Przeglądarka sieci lokalnej Name[pt]=Navegador da LAN Name[pt_BR]=Navegação LAN Name[ro]=Navigator LAN Name[ru]=Просмотр локальной сети Name
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] The Windows widow shows wrongly 9.1 !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego Iastrubni wrote: i just wanted to say LOL!!! the title of the install disk (under windows of course) says 9.1! oh my god... i cannot beleave that your released it? whats next? calling it debian? LOL sarcasm Yes, for an operating system that is intended to remove the need for Windows, the most critical feature is the version number on the software which you should never need to use after installing it. Maybe next time we should rather fix that than worrying about newer packages, fixing bugs etc? /sarcasm MS spent about a month replacing all the graphics in Windows 2003 (Windows .Net - Windows 2003). Does that make Windows 2003 any better? - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nldLrJK6UGDSBKcRAqVgAKCXx8gIhHMcm9oiyrHSW9jlVMan1ACffGRU tjQT4IbfcAE3aMEtMBS2XhU= =oDQK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: I have done a new guide for installing media and software, with 9.2 screenshots. It is available here :http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML (and licensed under FDL). It is not completely finished (see the TODO page). I would like to get some criticisms, advices. I think that Mandrake should advertise the club with such tutorials, and emphasizing theaccess to the different media. A lot of people still do not know the rpmdrake management. Very nice. Except on page 3a: http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML3A.HTML You have a bad link: file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ef2/Desktop/MDK92GUIDE/snapshot92.png (shall we have a whole thread on Zeb using Windows 2000 or WIndows XP now ;-)). Also, it might be an idea to show urpmi.setup, and (if drakclub works well enough - I haven't really tested it on 9.2 myself) drakclub. BTW, in the latest Mandrake newsletter they asked for some submissions like this (see the copy on MandrakeClub for more info). I was considering submitting something on sharing printers to Windows machines (with automatic printer installation on the Windows machines etc), but it would end up with mostly Windows screenshots! Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nmsDrJK6UGDSBKcRAgNyAJwMfwbJzCWsrf5fuUlHOUcQXzqlvQCgk37P a/aE5l7YP9A/vaBVISR6638= =ZpGm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] The Windows widow shows wrongly 9.1 !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vedran Ljubovic wrote: --- Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Stephane : I disagree there are a lot of bugs in the distro. The fact that the updates are big in size does not mean there are a lot of bugs. You may correct one little bug in KDe and anyway have to release 100MB of updated rpm. There is already 50 MB of updates for SuSE 9.0 and it's not even released yet http://www.suse.co.uk/uk/private/download/updates/90_i386.html Except if you use their .patch.rpms: RPM XFree86 4.3.0.1 (i586) 9938 kB Patch-RPM XFree86 4.3.0.1-patch (i586)344 kB At present we make huge updates (ie the kdebase one) for really small fixes (I'm guess a less than 5 kB source patch) which result in really minimal changes to the files distributed (I'm guessing less than 10kB), but we distribute full new versions of all subpackages ... There must be a better way ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nmvxrJK6UGDSBKcRArGHAJ9I54cdJYqzIkEWO78VsErY+EPU8wCfbxvp 4D5bWw+5iwcKOB4wEPW7GbM= =grzY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mozilla Thunderbird not on cooker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Coe wrote: BTW, I also have mozilla-1.5 packages built for Mandrake Club for 9.2, which are just waiting for the admin to get the permissions right on the upload server for 9.2, the 9.1 packages are in testing. I did notice the mozilla-1.5 packages up on ranger but alas without the corresponding lib files. You couldn't put them up and/or the spec file? Binaries and the SRPM are now on the public MandrakeClub mirrors for 9.1 and 9.2, for example in: ftp://ftp.sun.ac.za/mandrake/mandrake-devel/unsupported/MandrakeClub/9.1/i586/ and ftp://ftp.sun.ac.za/mandrake/mandrake-devel/unsupported/MandrakeClub/9.2/i586/ Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nntArJK6UGDSBKcRAhdmAJwOSs5GUskfYU9sLrCiF2otqUMRXQCffLrh vBEfWy3OrHi9JQBuHuhlXRU= =f+w8 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] OT: My $firewall is bigger than yours! g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Felmey wrote: On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 09:02, Juan Quintela wrote: And people told me that my firewall with a Via C3-800 is over-dimensioned :) LOL! Mine is a SuperMicro 4U dual 2.4GHz Xeon, 4GB RAM, 500GB RAID5 15k SCSI. It's kind of a waste, but the box was just an extra lying around. I'll trade! We run our production firewall (with about 60 machines behind it, a bit of a DMZ etc) on a P133/32MB. Your firewall probably beats all of the machines we have here (we have some 2.8GHz Xeon/2GB CAD machines, but our fastest server is a single 2GHz Xeon/512MB/480GB hardware IDE RAID and it gets abused for running simulations too). If it was just an extra lying around, I will take any similar machines you that are just taking up space! Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/no6trJK6UGDSBKcRAnm2AKDGOXbGg/6g1gbppxd+hpJAIZdrvgCfcPSj Bu7A5vomnQwmVA/V8/JTYo4= =5hp2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] Any reason wxPython is built against gtk1.x?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was wanting to build wxMozilla so I could build http://documancer.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php But, Mozilla is built with gtk2, and for some odd reason wxPython is built with gtk1.x (whereas wxGTK is built against gtk2). wxMozilla won't build the Python bits if the versions of gtk2 used don't match. And documancer needs the Python bits of wxMozilla it seems. Is there a good reason for this? Götz? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/no/4rJK6UGDSBKcRAie/AJ49nvixE0SeqarjLbNhIQMB3c0L3ACff+Vp KIdnSvQSfbmRCvSVSfAjg2U= =+26+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Any reason wxPython is built against gtk1.x?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Götz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003, 17:49:13 Uhr MET, schrieb Buchan Milne: But, Mozilla is built with gtk2, and for some odd reason wxPython is built with gtk1.x (whereas wxGTK is built against gtk2). wxMozilla won't build the Python bits if the versions of gtk2 used don't match. And documancer needs the Python bits of wxMozilla it seems. Is there a good reason for this? The readme said so, because it's still beta. I can change this to gtk2 in the next package, but we should test this first. I'm going home now, so I will try it on 9.1 with gtk2 (see if I can build wxmozilla and documancer), and try it on cooker tomorrow (and some other wxPython stuff, wxGlade should be enough to test it well I think?). At least things will look better ... Depending how it goes, maybe I will just add a switch for building with gtk2 for the moment. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/npaprJK6UGDSBKcRAklMAJ4zH85ax/LhR1afk5EIgXKx+cR6+QCfWNBi U+l7Q7pjWCd7uZl9/5Qmo2I= =lWyt -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] gambas and gambas-gui src.rpm's uploaded
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob wrote: I managed to work out my rpmlint problems and have finally uploaded source RPM's for gambas, a Visual BASIC-like language and IDE, to incoming. Please let me know if there are any problems. Any chance of making your spec file available where someone besides Lenny can get it? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/npjdrJK6UGDSBKcRAmnyAKCJWbaF55BsMIAN3veQI6iVegxTKgCePMwZ 28YvUjvCsatAvVQfPiqRVrw= =uRiB -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emmanuel Moll wrote: Right, I've created the ISOs, updated all the packages from the update site. Have also updated Mozilla to version 1.5 If you're using my packages for mozilla 1.5, note that I didn't include the 110n stuff, as it wasn't available at the time. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/np5urJK6UGDSBKcRAiaLAJ4i1xEEvwRvcL7sS/2cyAzwwsjJNQCgoZTE jwMFnIBkgn6F1D/EYypTQBQ= =BWpg -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] gambas and gambas-gui src.rpm's uploaded
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob wrote: On Tuesday 28 October 2003 11:41, Buchan Milne wrote: Is there any way to avoid duplicating the gambas source in the gambas-gui package? Well, we had earlier discussed building a tarball of the gui code (the app/ subdirectory of the gambas source tree) that gets installed along with the gambas base rpm. Or maybe make a gambas-source subpackage with only the source files needed to build gambas-gui that are not in the gambas-devel package? It shouldn't be a big deal since gambas is a buildrequires of gambas-gui anyway. But is that sort of thing acceptable for automated build processes and whatnot? See apache-source and kernel-source. As long as the necessary files are guaranteed to be available at build time by doing nothing besides installing the SRPM and all buildrequires, it's no problem. Relying on something else to place sources in $RPM_BUILD_DIR like the rhide SRPM does is not acceptable. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nqCcrJK6UGDSBKcRAjAuAJ9bTuRF2FF9g/jYKPjHgdz7elipdgCfc0JY y4FEjkFHU7Sq/SAnSNFkVg8= =klWW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Have you fill some bug report to http://bugs.kde.org/ ? if not, you should as you have some very interesting things. Not yet, I guess I should ... though I may start working on some things quite soon, but I guess it's better to post pactches into KDE bugzilla. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nqjWrJK6UGDSBKcRAjeIAJ9++a9dCnAfkx0R4bj6hjWiTZ/H2wCfdzl2 APRL3aeKUeCz5J1VNF/0Jt0= =bqoG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] jabber-1.4.2a-11mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 magic wrote: Hey all, I was just wondering if there was any chance of having the jabberd quickstart included in the jabber rpm (or possibly a seperate one)? http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/quickstart/ It's mainly a dialog-based bash script to hack (well, cat mostly) stuff into the jabber.xml file, and a bundled jabberd binary. It can't edit the configuration really, so there's not much that this does that isn't done by the package. (BTW, Fred, I didn't get that LDAP plugin to work, any time I added configuration for it to the jabber.xml file I couldn't start the server :-(). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nqibrJK6UGDSBKcRAk+yAJ9swNZJH0+V2qYeIqGGULWpi4MIeACfcr56 WZOkHy+FkcdiImW7gf+lDNY= =xga/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Any reason wxPython is built against gtk1.x?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Götz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003, 17:56:32 Uhr MET, schrieb Götz Waschk: I've prepared some untested packages of wxPythonGTK with gtk2 and unicode support: http://wwwra.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/Mandrake Please give them a try. I'll test them ASAP with nicotine and bittorrent-gui. Bittorrent and pyslsk seem to work fine, but I don't know what will happen if these apps run for a few days. There have been reports of memory holes in the gtk2 builds of amule and xmule, these could also be in wxPythonGTKs wxgtk library. OK, I built initial packages for wxmozilla, but launching documancer from it's source directory doesn't use wxmozilla, but wxHTML, so it may not be necessary at present to have wxmozilla-python (though I will try and get it working). But, I will make a wxmozilla package (without python for now) anyway. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nqtwrJK6UGDSBKcRApb3AJ9SCLW6B4WPJyE5cVlqKtd8jsZo4wCfbdtc uhSQ9oKyRdEqgv/xEN9dbLY= =UoTV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] rpm and missing gpg key gpg-pubkey-22458a98-3969e7de
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galileo wrote: bccz Maybe next time you can give us information like this? You seemed to imply bccz you were running urpmi.addmedia against an official updates mirror. Well i use this kind of setup for a long time since 8.2 or something so i didn't thought of that. Well, updates always work better if your urpmi sources have hdlists (which are in base/) ... Anyway mandrakesecure.net imply that I need this key https://www.mandrakesecure.net/RPM-GPG-KEYS so ... Or the one on the base of the CD, but they are no longer imported automatically the way they were before (at install time), since: 1)rpm now uses it's own keystore, and not root's gpg keyring as in the past, so gpg can no longer import the keys. 2)urpmi now manages keys per-source, so if people do things the expected way (ie not remove files from their mirrors), everything works. The mandrakesecure.net documentation does need to relect this though. I just find it a bit unfortunate that you criticise everything first, complaining that things are broken, before checking your own setup. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nTghrJK6UGDSBKcRAkAAAJ9dsiitxxWpO0AZ9jzAD/XiF376XACgxGZF H/hsnHvUfFvuxn0c/rT3RXs= =EBLm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] ADSL + postfix default config = open relay?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Prior wrote: My ISP has just pointed out to me that I was running an open relay, which is highly embarrassing. I have been running postfix without causing a problem until I switched to an ADSL connection. The notes in postfix/main.cf seem to make it pretty clear what the problem is: my ISP's subnet had been added as a trusted subnet, as ADSL counts as a dialup connection, which meant that anyone on their network could relay through my mail server. But, who added that? Obviously, the fault is principally mine, for not being more careful when I set ADSL up - the information is all there if you look for it. But I was wondering how many people would look for it. Because, if you setup ADSL using drakconnect, you wouldn't have a clue you needed to edit main.cf to prevent this. drakconnect doesn't touch main.cf Would it be a good idea to either enhance drakconnect to make this change automatically (if you could figure out a sensible way to deduce the appropriate list of trusted clients), or at least flag up a warning, to stop other people making this mistake? By default, the important postfix settings are: $ cp /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /tmp/main.cf $ /usr/sbin/postconf -c /tmp mynetworks inet_interfaces relay_domains mydestination mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 inet_interfaces = localhost relay_domains = $mydestination mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain So, by default you shouldn't even be able to get a connection to postfix unless you have manually changed mynetworks, or used some tool which does so. drakconnect can't take responsibility for every single possible configuration that may depend on it's settings. Ideally we need a configuration tool which can find such issues, but it's not drakconnect, and it needs to be very user friendly (and not do things automatically). But I don't think this is your problem. Maybe if you can try and find out what had changed any of the important settings, we can take a look, but I don't see how either the default postfix config or drakconnect are responsible. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/nToxrJK6UGDSBKcRApT5AKCZpIZPhXPWX5mfJLWJKvThBlbpKgCcDZ2r RrYeCWK18OGb38ucwuW1pEk= =ZyXe -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ef2 wrote: Here are some suggestions for 9.2 - for the public release, you should release 9.2.1 isos that include the updates AND also corrects the problem with LG drives. I don't think Mandrakesoft can afford a public release of ISOs that kill CD drives. That would be very bad for Mandrake reputation. Please do NOT release Isos that kills drives ! I wonder if it might be possible to only remaster the first ISO, as I think most updates were to packages which are on CD1 (or do we split kde*-devel off onto CD2 or 3?). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/l/NArJK6UGDSBKcRAk/qAKC9yRWnNQ9SeXAqicSM1TQod6pNmQCfedfX MADrKCiAgZAGyINFlZwqDEQ= =U/ng -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Cooker] network icon on deskop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I find the articles at http://www.open-mag.com are normally quite pathetic, they place *huge* significance on a small setting (and don't seem to notice that the same settings are available on every single distribution they have bothered to test). However, in some ways, that's how new users think. For example: SUSE has added a Local Network icon to the user's desktop that links to a new network-browsing applet that closely mirrors the behavior of the Network Neighborhood/ My Network Places applet found in Windows. Clicking on the Local Network icon brings up all of the Windows workgroups and domains discovered on the Network. From there, all of the systems in any selected workgroup or domain will be listed using the system's name rather than the system's IP address. http://www.open-mag.com/1726339824.shtml So, when can we add an icon on the desktop for smb:/ in KDE and GNOME by default, called something like Local Network (I have one on my desktop - - actually called Windows Network, and it works great). And, at some stage, it might be nice to be able to enforce such icons on the desktop for every user ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mARgrJK6UGDSBKcRAjvSAJ9ZPsrWfSmSxUnezmclg9GPRNWH1wCgzGjP 18LJo1PnOsH51zZV+o+vrv4= =ptF4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
