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This design assumes users will browse at full screen and have large
monitors
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size to see what I mean). It may look like
clearing, but it isn't.
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div. To do that you must prevent them from 'touching' the div
margins. Interposing a tiny bit of padding (or border) can do that.
#content { padding-top: 1px; padding-bottom: 1px; }
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width: 22%;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
padding-left: 18px;
float: left;
clear: left;
font-size:12px;
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sorry for being incomplete. You will also have to use the
background-position rule to put the image where you want it.
Is there any way to see this page, or a mockup? I have a feeling
something else is going on, but I'm not sure what it might be.
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can use padding on inline elements to get the spacing you need.
Something like
.affils li { padding-top: 35px }
firebug ( for firefox as you would guess ) is great for seeing where
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inaccessible. It the page has to be in quirks
mode, or you need to support ie5/win, you can get the same result with
body { text-align: center; }
#pageWrapper {
width: 760px;
margin: 0 auto;
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you want, but there
aren't other pseudo-elements for the other lines.
The only solution I've come up with is an ugly javascript hack to
wrap each line in a span, but my code is only a proof of concept.
Getting it to play nice with window and font resizing would be a
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to
alter code I wrote a year or two ago and have spent more time
figuring out what the original code was doing than actually enhancing
the page.
Yes, I confess to being a clean html freak.
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mangled source but still remove the
spaces by writing it something like this
ul id=navlist
li class=firsta href=/?nextPage=clients id=c1Clients/
a/li
li class=firsta href=/?nextPage=contractors
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the
margins from 'touching', the h1 and p margins become the margins for
the div. You can stop this effect by adding 1px padding or border to
the div.
#content {
padding: 1px 10px;
}
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{ /* all spans inside #test ul: reset the default */
display: inline;
}
Since the second rule has a higher specificity, it will override the
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can help debug?
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Is there a way to have no scrollbar when not needed yet the layout
not be
adjusted when Firefox adds one?
Only if you are willing to use a layout that is left aligned.
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without
css will see it as a part of the link text, all run together.
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as appropriate. The browser
should not shift following content due to the offset unless clearing
floats would dictate otherwise.
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be fine. Safari is more likely than other browsers to
drop a bad css file than try to work around it (which I prefer). It
would be nice if Safari made debugging easier tho...
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%; margin-left: -30%; }
Made it work down below 600px width, and much less 'twitchy'. This
didn't seem to bother ff2, but I didn't do any other browser checks :-).
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In short, if you fix the html and the doctype, styling will be more
consistent. Also, you could achieve this layout with _many_ fewer
tables. In fact, this page doesn't need any.
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border to move to
after the text, you will have to attach it a different way.
If I guessed wrong, try again.
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they adapt well to changes
in text and window size from one browser to another. Unfortunately
you have to add ie/win specific instructions to get around its flawed
float rendering.
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I don't think there is a robust way to do it without floating.
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font-size: .8em;
}
#hotBoxContainer div.body {
float: none;
width: auto;
margin: 0 5px;
padding-top: 10px;
background-color: white;
border: 1px solid black;
border-top: none;
height: 150px;
}
#hotBoxContainer a img { border: 0 none;}
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background-image: url(/images/arrowLn.gif);
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background-position: center left;
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met
positief resultaat afgerond.br /
br /
December 2006/p
/body
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this. If you tried to put a
style element anywhere but the head element, browsers (except ie)
will ignore it because it is not valid to put style or link
anywhere but in the head. If I missed the point of the question, put
up a test page and point us to it.
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the first few letters of the item you want.
IE win will let you tab into select elements by default. Once
activated, you can type the first letter of the item you want and
down arrow if there are multiple items with the same first letter.
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of a div with position: fixed.
That sure looks like a browser bug. I filed a bug for this https://
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363692. Unfortunately, I
haven't been able to come up with a workaround.
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for the body element. That means the browser default/user
choice appears all around the edges of your layout. In my case it is
kind of a blue-green color. I'm betting you were envisioning white :-)
All in all, a nice looking page.
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in the header, and a bright green on
the page.
Do you have the google toolbar installed in ie? It marks fields with
colors to indicate which ones can be auto-filled.
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the floats. I tried both float: left; and
overflow: hidden; and they both looked fine to me. You will have to
asses how this affects other pages on the site.
This was tested in current versions of firefox, opera and safari.
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the cursor: pointer; css
property, but that will confuse your users to no end.
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be a lot more
straight forward if you didn't have to work around ie6's
shortcomings :-(.
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This is assuming all your elements are images. Putting text into
this kind of a grid layout is an invitation to insanity.
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. Just leave the
unused space empty (or have some kind of background image for the
whole grid that shows through the empty spaces). It does mean that
you have to manually figure out where an empty space is and edit the
css when you add a new image, but I think that's unavoidable.
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of the
navigation list.
Unless the client demands it, I'd get rid of the flash object and the
scrolling window title. All that movement makes it hard to actually
read the page.
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to me,
and communicates better to users without css than a series of anchors
that happen to be next to each other in the source.
Give yourself a pat on the back. You've made a lot of progress.
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users go away unhappy.
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accomplishes. Her current code hides the
sub-menus off-left rather than using visibility: hidden. Why is it
better to hide them 'in place'?
It seems like there is more to undo on hover with this method. What
am I missing?
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definite learning curve. If it would help, I could code up a sample
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though...
The three columns in #main are all floated and so taken out of the
normal document 'flow'. IE is displaying a convenient bug here. You
can either float #main also, add a clearer inside #main at the
bottom, or use the 'clearfix' method from p.i.e.
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edges, so you will want padding-
left to be = text-indent.
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and that browser is
fading into the mists of time, so maybe you don't need to care.
Also, you might want to specify a background-color on your body
element. Not everyone has white set as their default.
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in
Firefox.
The image is display: inline; by default, so it is part of the text.
Set the image to display: block; and it will not be underlined. If
you choose to keep the br element, you will want to style it away
with something like display: none;
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need
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, but I
didn't see any other replies to your post. You may have fixed the
page already as it only looked about 5px off from firefox to me. You
are already hacking for ie anyway, so why not
* html #navigation li ul { bottom: 12px; }
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=1uri=http%3A%2F%
2Fwww.toolcrib.com%2Findex.aspx
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to the page, so
I'd be tempted to save this problem to the end and see if it needs to
be addressed at all.
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benefit of having the content stop at the left edge
and add a horizontal scroll bar for narrow viewports.
#contentwrapper {
margin: 0 auto;
background-color: #FF;
width: 760px;
position: relative;
}
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elements to they are of equal height whether the link takes 1 line or
two.
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You are getting a 1px shift on hover because you are adding a bottom
border. You will have to remove 1px extra bottom padding on hover.
Add padding-bottom: 3px; to ul li a:hover
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, I would
avoid overflow: hidden on your body element. You can make it a fixed
width so your kiosk won't have scroll bars, but allow the site to
work on the web for those of us with smaller windows. No sense
having to write it twice :-)
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shrinks to
fit, but is not supported in ie/win.
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the problem by adding
#MainForm { overflow: hidden; } which creates a new positioning context.
What has me curious is why it _isn't_ happening in other browsers.
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looks the same to
me in ff1.5 and ie6. Could you tell us again what you would like to
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elements, something like the following should do.
p { margin: 2em 0; }
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double scroll bars at short window
heights and a gap at the bottom for tall ones.
BTW, it would be more semantic html to use thead and tbody rather
than two separate tables.
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to verify that the css is at
least syntactically correct.
Second, one of the ul elements inside #header has a margin that is
sticking up out the top of #header. The following fixes the problem
but is a little too broad for production use.
#header ul { margin: 0; }
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, however. Is
there a url to a test page available?
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and this will force the #header to grow to contain
the h1 margin.
Clear as mud, right? Here's a good article.
http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/uncollapsing-margins/
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! WHOOO!!!
It is an interesting concept, but that document is technically
invalid because xhtml has no 'cow' element. It would need to be
served with an appropriate xml doctype (or no doctype at all) to be
technically correct.
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Somehow I missed the first message in this thread. If I missed the
point, let me know and I'll try again.
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Somehow I missed the first message in this thread. If I missed the
point, let me know and I'll try again.
Thanks for your reply. Take a look at the sample page, which I linked
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hard coding the width in pixels.
http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/menu-test.html
css at http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk/includes/nav.css
This is a known ie bug that i've learned to live with. Hopefully ie7
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that true?
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http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/BestHealth
#bodypart is covering up the links. It has a relative position top of
-110px and a margin-top of -120px This pulls it way up over the
header.
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there is no forgiveness for errors. The
parser just stops and puts up an error message rather than trying to
display the page anyway.
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Without a test page, I can't be sure. The first thing I would try is
to add width: 24%; to #regions. If that doesn't work, put up a test
page and we'll try to give you a better
, sans-serif;
font-size: 15px;
}
Without a test page, I can't be sure. The first thing I would try is
to add width: 24%; to #regions. If that doesn't work, put up a test
page and we'll try to give you a better answer.
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expect.
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'above' the left side
images in safari while it is 'below' them in the other browsers.
Using margin instead of padding should fix this. Try something like
this...
#mainwindow {
padding: 45px 0px 0px 0;
margin: 0 0 0 170px;
...
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ignoring it lately. If you don't get specifics
from others on the list, I'll see what I can do.
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min-width: 100px;
background: url(../images/nav.gif) no-repeat center;
}
#nav a.active, #nav a:hover {
background: url(../images/nav_over.gif) no-repeat center;
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us which browser is not displaying
as you wish. I currently have 10 installed, and I had to try 4 of them
before I saw the problem. Thank you for posting a url to the problem.
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, and will require ie hackery.
If you want a horizontal scroll bar for the table, then set a width and
overflow: auto; on #maincontent.
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win-pc?
On my mac, ff 1.07 and 1.5.0.4 render similarly to each other and not
like your ff screen shot.
What happens if you create a new profile so you can be sure all
settings are at their defaults?
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are incredibly complex. Anyway, if the php approach doesn't
appeal to you, you could do it with javascript instead. That's
off-topic for this list, so if you want to pursue it, contact me
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get rid of the min-height on the containing div.
hth
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If it is really an ordered list, then you should think about changing
the xml to not include the numbers (which will change the corresponding
css).
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tableless version is at http://dbs.myflorida.com/tablelessI.shtml
Roger,
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when I modify line-height it doesn't work
Can you give us a url to your page? We can't debug what we can't see.
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