date:19990117






Council on Foreign Relations Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

The Joint Chiefs of Staff were created in 1949. Since then there have been
14 Chairmen. At least seven of Chairmen were members of the Council on
Foreign Relations. Department of the Army Pamphlet No. 525-7-1, The  Art
and Science of Psychological Operations, states,

"As the principal military advisors to the president, the Joint Chiefs of
Staff are directly concerned with Psychological Operations (PSYOPs).  They
serve as the immediate military staff of the Secretary of Defense.  They
are in the chain of command that runs from the president to the  Secretary
of Defense, through the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to the  commanders of
unified and specified commands. The chain of command  to the Defense
Intelligence Agency (DIA) also runs from the Secretary  of Defense through
the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The Joint Staff is organized  into directorates
concerned with:

Personnel (J-1)
Operations (J-3)
Logistics (J-4)
Plans and Policy (J-5)
Communications-Electronics (J-6)

The intelligence function for the Joint Chiefs of Staff is undertaken by
the  Defense Intelligence Agency. All of these directorates have varying
degrees of interest in PSYOP. In addition to the directorates, the
activities of the various special assistants occasionally involve PSYOP. It
is the director, J-3 (Operations), however, who has the responsibility in
all matter pertaining to the psychological aspects of military operations.
His principal staff assistant for PSYOP is the deputy director for
operations (counterinsurgency and special activities) or DOCSA.  DOCSA is
supported." (Vol. I pgs 99-100)

A list of Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, indicating Council on
Foreign Relations membership follows:

(1997-present)

Shelton, Henry H. General, US Army. Appointed 14th Chairman, Joint  Chiefs
of Staff in 1997. Formerly: Commander-in-Chief, US Special  Operations
Command; Lieutenant General, US Army. Commander, XVIII  Airborne Corps.
Commander, Joint Task Force 180, multinational force,  during Haiti 94
intervention; redeployed to CONUS with JTF 180 staff on  25 Oct 94

(1993 - 1997)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Shalikashvili, John  M. General, US
Army. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 1 Oct 1993 - Sep  1997

(1993)

Jeremiah, David E. Admiral, US Navy. Served as acting CJCS, 1-24  October
1993.

(1989 - 1993)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Powell, Colin L. General, US  Army.
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 1 Oct 1989 - 30 Sep 1993.

(1985 - 1989)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Crowe, William J.,  Jr. Admiral, US
Navy. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 1 Oct 1985 - 30  Sep 1989.

(1982 - 1985)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Vessey, John W., Jr. General, US  Army.
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 18 Jun 1982 - 30 Sep 1985.

(1978 - 1982)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Jones, David C. General, US Air  Force.
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 21 Jun 1978 - 18 Jun 1982.

(1974 - 1978)

Brown, George S. General, US Air Force. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of  Staff: 1
Jul 1974 - 20 Jun 1978.

(1970-1974)

Moorer, Thomas H. Admiral, US Navy. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 3  Jul
1970 - 30 Jun 1974.

(1964 - 1970)

Wheeler, Earle G. General, US Army. Chief of Staff of the Army: 1 Oct  1962
- 2 Jul 1964. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: 3 Jul 1964 - 2 Jul  1970.

(1962 -1964)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Taylor, Maxwell D. General, US  Army.
Chief of Staff of the Army: 30 Jun 1955 - 30 Jun 1959. Chairman,  Joint
Chiefs of Staff: 1 Oct 1962 - 3 Jul 1964.

(1960-62)

Council on Foreign Relations Member Lemnitzer, Lyman L. General, US  Army.
Chief of Staff of the Army: 1 Jul 1959 - 30 Sep 1960. Chairman,  Joint
Chiefs of Staff: 1 Oct 1960 - 30 Sep 1962.

(1957 - 1960)

Twining, Nathan F. General, US Air Force. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of  Staff:
15 Aug 1957 - 30 Sep 1960.

(1953 - 1957)

Radford, Arthur W. Admiral, US Navy. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff:  15
Aug 1953 - 14 Aug 1957..

(1949-1953)

Bradley, Omar Nelson U.S. Army officer (born Feb. 12, 1893, Clark,  Mo.,
U.S.--died April 8, 1981, New York, N.Y.) who commanded the  highly
effective 12th Army Group, which helped ensure the Allied victory  over
Germany during World War II. General of the Army, US Army.  Chief of Staff
of the Army: 7 Feb 1948 - 15 Aug 1949. He later served as  first chairman
of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (1949-53).

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the domination of control of, any foreign

[CTRL] Fwd: Federal Judge Makes Clinton Remark






Bill Clinton will be remembered for a long, long time for the wrong things.

Best Regards,

Marshall Houston
Portland, Oregon

http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990116/V36-011699-idx.html

Federal Judge Makes Clinton Remark
By Hans Greimel
Associated Press Writer
Saturday, January 16, 1999; 2:26 a.m. EST

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- After the first week of tense testimony in a
closely watched abortion trial, tempers flared when a federal judge
chided a witness by saying: ``Truthful means truthful. ... This is not a
Clinton deposition!''

The remark Friday, which prompted a call for a mistrial from defense
lawyers, came just minutes before U.S. District Robert E. Jones was
about to recess the jury for the weekend.

He quickly downplayed the statement as an ill-timed joke.

``I sincerely apologize,'' Jones told a courtroom echoing with both
gasps and laughter. ``May the record reflect that the court is smiling
and the witness is smiling.''

Defense lawyers, however, weren't smiling. They accused the judge of
ruining the credibility of their witness, Wisconsin anti-abortion
activist Monica Miller, who had simply responded to a question by
asking: ``What do you mean by truthful?''

``You yelled at this witness,'' defense attorney Denis Brenan told
Jones. ``You've impugned this witness' credibility with your outburst. I
call for a mistrial.''

Jones denied the motion and moved on from the gaffe, which for the
moment overshadowed a case that during its first week has put the
tactics of abortion foes on trial.

Plaintiffs -- including Planned Parenthood and several abortion doctors
-- claim that posters targeting abortion doctors and a Web site
detailing personal information on ``baby butchers'' violate a 1994
federal law that bars threats of force against abortion doctors and
their patients.

Lawyers for more than a dozen defendants acknowledged the posters and
``The Nuremberg Files'' Web site contain strong statements and graphic
images, but they maintain it is only constitutionally protected
political speech.

The Web site attracted national attention last October when it crossed
through the name of Dr. Barnett Slepian after he was killed by sniper
fire in his home outside Buffalo, N.Y. Other doctors who have been
killed are also checked off, and those merely wounded are shaded out in
light gray.


© Copyright 1999 The Associated Press

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell


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In a message dated 1/16/99 4:29:06 PM, you wrote:

He later became a well known philosopher/mystic named something like
Krishna Namurati.

 Yes, J. Krishnamurti and basically he told the theosphist, no deal.
Om
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[CTRL] Fwd: The Lancet on Gulf War Syndrome






Study Confirms Gulf Illness Claims

LONDON (AP) -- Persian Gulf War veterans have a rate of general ill health at
least twice as high as forces who stayed home or were sent to Bosnia,
according to a new study of British troops.

The Lancet, a British medical journal, published a study this week that
confirms what previously has been reported in studies of U.S. and Canadian
veterans -- that while no definable disease could be found, going to the
Persian Gulf in 1991 affected troops' health.

The study of 8,195 soldiers, sailors and pilots -- the first to compare Gulf
War veterans with troops who served in another hazardous conflict around the
same time -- is the largest of symptoms to date.

The men, half of whom had retired from the military, filled out questionnaires
about their current health.

They all reported a variety of 59 ailments, including chronic fatigue, hair
loss, rashes, headaches, joint pain, memory loss, heart problems and nervous
system disorders.

There was hardly any difference between the Bosnia troops and men who served
at the time of the Gulf War but were not deployed.

Regardless of the ailment, however, vets who served in the Persian Gulf were
about twice as likely to complain of it than the other two groups studied, the
researchers said.

``The evidence is unequivocal that going to the Gulf affects your health,''
said Dr. Simon Wessely, one of the researchers from King's College at the
University of London.

The researchers don't know why ailments were more common in Gulf War vets, but
said the study shows there is no single cause, either physical or
psychological, and that attempts to look for a ``smoking gun'' will not
succeed.

``We have to look at a multitude of causes and their interactions,'' Wessely
said.

The researchers also found that hazards of war -- ranging from using
pesticides and seeing dead bodies to getting diesel fuel on your skin -- were
linked to more symptoms, regardless of whether the men had served in the Gulf
or somewhere else.

The study did find a slight increase in ill health in those who had vaccines
against biological threats such as anthrax or plague. Receiving multiple
vaccinations against routine infections also was linked to a modest increase
in illness, but only in the Persian Gulf group and not in Bosnia.

In an editorial in the Lancet, a scientist with the National Institutes of
Health called the study one of the most definitive conducted to date and said
it added weight to the argument that no unique ``Gulf War Syndrome'' exists.

In his editorial, Stephen E. Straus, chief of the laboratory of clinical
investigation at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,
drew parallels between the ailments cited by Gulf War vets and soldiers who
fought in World War I.

``Although the possibility of some still unappreciated environmental factor
cannot be dismissed entirely,'' he wrote, ``the Gulf War seems to differ from
others only in a quantitative sense and in the intensity of public discourse
about it.''

But Dr. Robert Haley, an epidemiologist at University of Texas Southwestern
Medical Center who believes a particular ``Gulf War syndrome'' exists,
criticized the research. He said the scientists' questions were too vague, so
it was not surprising they found the same symptoms in all of the veterans.

``They found questions that by their nature are not unique. They didn't ask
the right questions,'' he said.

Haley's research on a small number of patients has previously concluded that
some Gulf War veterans suffer from distinct symptom clusters caused by
chemical poisoning and that some may suffer neurological damage from nerve gas
or pesticides.

[CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno Frustrates Republicans






 Predicted reaction: The Atty General gets charged with contempt of
Congress.


Reno Rejects Clinton Campaign Probe

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Despite House Republican allegations, the Justice
Department says there is no ``specific and credible information'' that
President Clinton's former campaign manager received an illegal $1 million
payment in connection with a controversial office building development.

Attorney General Janet Reno announced Thursday that she was ending the
investigation into lawyer and lobbyist Peter Knight, a former top aide to Vice
President Al Gore who ran Clinton's re-election campaign in 1996. The decision
means that no independent counsel will explore Knight's financial dealings.

Knight received $1 million from Tennessee developer Franklin Haney shortly
before becoming Clinton's campaign manager. Republicans on the House Commerce
Committee issued a report last month questioning whether the money was an
illegal contingency fee for helping get the Federal Communications Commission
to move to Haney's Portals development in Southwest Washington.

Haney and Knight both have said the $1 million payment represented legal fees
for Knight's work on several Haney projects over a three-year period.

Committee Republicans criticized Reno's decision Thursday.

``The legal burden is on the attorney general to show why the evidence
contained in the report is not specific and credible,'' the committee said in
a statement. ``The Justice Department's cursory response utterly fails to meet
this legal obligation. We expect a full explanation of this decision.''

Acting Assistant Attorney General Dennis Burke said in a letter to the
committee chairman, Rep. Thomas Bliley Jr., R-Va., that the allegations
against Knight were investigated as part of a Justice Department campaign task
force's probe of Haney.

``The task force concluded that the evidence does not support the report's
view that Mr. Haney's payment to Mr. Knight was a contingency fee,'' Burke
wrote.

As a result of the task force's investigation, Haney, a longtime supporter of
Gore, was indicted last month on 42 counts alleging he made illegal donations
to the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign and to two senatorial candidates.

[CTRL] Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty

1999-01-17 Thread Mike Moxley


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Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty
by Mike Moxley

Libertarians claim to be the promoters and defenders of Liberty in the
truest sense of the intentions of the founding fathers of our nation.  Is
this so?

To the Libertarian, the ULTIMATE VALUE of Libertarianism is Liberty, rather
than Liberty being the result of a moral government of, by, and for a moral
people. The morality being based in religious principle.  The founders knew
that morality could not exist outside of religious principle:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other."-John Adams

"Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and
religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be
entrusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any
government secure which is not supported by moral habits Whatever makes
men good Christians, makes them good citizens." - Daniel Webster

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human
passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or
gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale
goes through a net.  Our Constitution was made only for a moral and
religious people.  It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
- John Adams, Oct.11, 1798 Address to the military

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man
claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars
of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and
citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that
national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
-George Washington

While the Libertarians have a form of morality as in their oft quoted: "Our
liberties stop at another's nose", the libertarians lack of a moral
STANDARD causes them to overshoot the nose and land one right between the
eyes of another.  In other words, because of a lack of a moral standard,
100 Libertarians have 100 different ideas just exactly where your nose starts.

So what religious principle is this American morality based in? Well, who
were the fathers and grandfathers of our revolutionary founders?  The
pilgrims and men such as Smith, Raleigh, William Penn. The morals of these
men came from the religious principles set forth in the Holy Bible.  They
dedicated this land to the God of the Bible.  To wit:

Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian
Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first
colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly
and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and
combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better
Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by
Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws,
Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be
thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto
which we promise all due submission and obedience. -Mayflower Compact, 1620

The founders spoke of the morality of the Christian faith.  The writings,
speeches, and quotes of the founders show that the Bible was their source
of morality.  To the founders liberty was from God and was a direct result
of living that morality and believing, despite overwhelming adversity, that
God would bring them to victory and to true liberty. They actually believed
that "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty" -II Corinthians 3:17.

Proof?
History will also afford the frequent opportunities of showing the
necessity of a public religion, from its usefulness to the public; the
advantage of a religious character among private persons; the mischiefs of
superstition, c. and the excellency of the Christian religion above all
others, ancient or modern. -Ben Franklin

"I shall now entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus
Christ, for "there is no salvation in any other", [Acts 4:12]. If you are
not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever
perish." -John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God
manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the Cross. Nothing but
His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord
Jesus! Come quickly!" -Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of
Independence

"I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three
persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance,
equal in power and glory. That the Scriptures of the old and new testaments
are a revelation from God and a complete rule to direct us how we may
glorify and

Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) - Save our seeds!

1999-01-17 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote:
Below is a sample letter to the parties listed requesting the denying of
Monsanto right to a patent to sterlize heriloom seeds. If this goes through,
farmers and hobby growers would not be able to save seeds because they would
be sterile! This greed can be stopped if enough people write now. This issue
is due for a vote soon!

Monsanto's patent does NOT apply to 'heirloom' seeds, rather to modern
seeds...but the objections to such a process should still be raised, as
it's all part of the process of the major chemical companies to control
the quantity and diversity of food available to the public to grow
themselves...

All the more reason to support companies like Seeds of Change, which ARE
making an effort to save 'heirloom' varieties...and join a local group
dedicated to finding and saving such varieties, if there isn't a group in
your area, form one...


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Re: [CTRL] Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty

1999-01-17 Thread My Heart's In Dixie!


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Dear List,

Just re*subs*rib*d to CTRL shortly ago and wish to comment on Mike
Moxley's post, but first I wanna tell ya'll that last Sunday, a week ago
today my computer crashed. Needless to say I lost everything :(   One of
the things I was researching for was sound information regarding Y2K. I
had found several websites with good info but when the crash came I lost
it all. I had no backup, don't even know how backup is done for I am
quite ignorant about computers, but trying to learn, and am having to
gather info from scratch again. I wish to ask a favor of you, please. If
any of you may know of websites with sound information about the Y2K
thingy, would you please let me know? I would be ever so grateful.
Thanking you in advance.

Now, about Mr. Moxley's postSir, just wanna say I enjoyed so much
reading your most informative note on Libertarians and it's one that I
shall print up to keep if you don't mind. I appreciate your taking the
time to inform us about this. And, tooall those marvelous quotes of
our Founding Fathers you submitted are little treasures as far as I'm
concerned. Thank you again. God bless you.

Southron Regards,
Linda of the Palmetto State



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[CTRL] Global warming links.

1999-01-17 Thread nurev


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 If some environmentalists are to be believed, we are on the 
verge of
  massive global climate change which will see a significant rise in 
sea levels,
  chaotic weather patterns, and catastrophic droughts all caused by 
small
  increase in global average temperature.
 This site provides links to resources skeptical of those sort 
of doomsday
  scenarios. The articles linked to here are written by a wide variety 
of people,
  from scientists to laypeople, and their inclusion here should not be 
read as an
  indication that I have read and assessed it for accuracy. Just as 
when dealing
  with things coming out of the environmentalist camp, you need to use 
your
  brain and a good library and decide for yourself to what extent 
global
  warming poses a threat to humankind; otherwise you end up like Rush
  Limbaugh.
 Finally, let me know what you think of global warming by 
adding your
  opinion to my guestbook.


  Basic introduction to global warming

   The coming climate - an excellent overview of global warming 
claims
   from Scientific American.
   globalwarming.com - lots of information critical of global 
warming
   claims
   Still waiting for greenhouse - well designed with lots of easy 
to
   understand graphics
   World Climate Report - a comprehensive resource taking a 
skeptical
   look at global warming research and claims.


 The Scientific Controversy

  Is there a scientific consensus on global warming?

   Global Change Researchers Assess Projections of Climate Change 
by
   American Geophysical Union
   Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific
   Consensus, by Richard S. Lindzen
   Global Warming Research Still Rife with Uncertainties by 
American
   Institute of Physics
   Hot Air on 'Global Warming'
   WMO Report Cites Uncertainties About Greenhouse Gas Sources,
   Sinks from Daily Environment Report

  How accurate are warming predictions?

   Fred Pearce reflects on greenhouse wars by Fred Pearce
   (correspondent for New Scientist)
   Global climate change: Which experts are getting warm? by 
Adrienne
   C. Brooks
   'Global warming' was less than predicted
   New York Times Blows Hot Air over Global Warming, by Michael
   Fumento
   Meet the skeptics from New Scientist
   U.S. scientist discounts human link to global warming from Japan
   Times

  Limits of general circulation models

   Dust is key to global warming, studies find
   Global warming: limitations of general circulation models and 
costs of
   modeling efforts
   Greenhouse Warming: Fact, Hypothesis, or Myth? - site by author 
of
   The Role of the Sun in Climate Change

  What is the global temperature?

   Global Temperatures by Dr Philip Jones

  Is weather getting more extreme?

   Global Warming Hotheads Use Anything to Justify Their Theory by
   Michael Fumento


  The Political Controversy

  Kyoto Conference on Global Warming

   The case against the global warming treaty by Karru Martinson
   Hot Air in Kyoto by Jerry Taylor


  Uncategorized links

   Holes in the greenhouse effect by Patrick J. Michaels
   Cool climate...hot politics by Jonathan H. Adler
   Stay cool from The Economist
   Avoiding global warming John McCarthy
   Global warming: bad science
   Global warming: inventing an apocalypse by Kevin McFarlane
   Global Warming Politics
   Patrick Michaels testifies before the House Subcommittee on 
Energy
   and Environment of the Committee on Science by Patrick Michaels
   http://www.junkscience.com/news/sun.html
   Oz greenhouse sceptic

[CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

1999-01-17 Thread Brian Redman


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Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
of the assembled senators?

Brian Redman
Editor, CNNS
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Re: [CTRL] Republican vs Democrat

1999-01-17 Thread M.A. Johnson


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Jim Norman wrote:

If fact there is no difference between the parties.  It's
as if they are all the same, exactly as you stated.  How
is it we can find no honorable men to run for an office
and when we do find a good man, we can't get him elected
because the local party boss won't put him on the ballot,
or the electorate fails to recognize the integrity in the
candidate, or the election is plain stolen because of
voter fraud?  It seems like a dark, deep hole.

Hawk wrote:
It is relatively simple When you rob Peter and give
the money to Paul, you can generally count on Paul's vote.


MJ:
EXACTLY why the various 'floaters' on campaign finance reform will
NOT work as they merely handicap one sector rather than addressing
the TRUE problem which is this vote-buying by unconstitutional
program.  There is a reason for specifically enumerated functions.

Regard$,
--MJ

The classic redistribution-of-wealth mentality works
this way: A and B get together to impose a tax on C
so they can give his money to D, who out of a mix of
envy of C, gratitude to A and B, and selfishness, then
votes for A and B again so they can repeat the process
next year. A and B justify playing Robin Hood by
claiming that C has plenty of money and, in any event,
has a social responsibility to help 'the needy'. Of
course, D is 'needy'.  -- William Stanmeyer

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[CTRL] Fwd: JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT

1999-01-17 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT
 By Eric Margolis
 January 14, 1999

 Miami - The case of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Jay Pollard
 has again reared its ugly head.  American Jewish groups, Hollywood
 celebrities, and Israel have renewed intense pressure on the
 besieged Clinton Administration to free the man they call "the
 Jewish Dreyfus."  Pollard has served 13 years of a life sentence.

 President Clinton is loath to antagonize America's politically
 powerful Jewish community, which strongly supports the Democratic
 Party.  But the president is also under intense pressure from the
 national security community not to free the Israeli spy.  CIA
 Director George Tenent recently threatened to resign if Pollard
 is pardoned.  Seven former US secretaries of defense, some of whom
 are Jewish, also demanded Pollard remain in prison for life.

 After years of denials, Israel finally admitted Pollard, a US Navy
 civilian analyst, was not a 'rogue agent,' as it originally
 claimed, but a spy for Israeli intelligence.

 Pollard caused enormous damage to US national security.  He gave
 Israel top secret US military, intelligence, and diplomatic codes;
 names of nearly one hundred of US agents in the Mideast, who were
 then 'turned' by Israel; NSA code- breaking techniques and targets;
 intercepts of foreign communications; and US war-fighting plans for
 the Mideast.

 According to CIA sources, Pollard provided Israeli intelligence
 with names of important American agents inside the former Soviet
 Union and Russia who had supplied information on East Bloc weapons
 and war plans.  How the agent's names were linked to the secrets
 they supplied - a major breach of basic intelligence security -
 remains a major mystery.  Some of the enormously sensitive secrets
 stolen by Pollard were reportedly either sold, or bartered, by
 Israel to the Soviet Union.

 A number of key CIA agents in the East Bloc were reportedly
 executed as a result of Pollard spying.  KGB likely gained access
 to top-secret US codes - either directly from Israel, or through
 spies in Israel's government.  In short, Pollard's treachery caused
 one of the worst security disasters in modern American history.

 FBI investigators discovered Pollard was being directed to steal
 specific secret data by a senior Administration official, known as
 "Mr. X."  But the White House, unwilling to stir up a domestic
 political storm, quashed the investigation.  To my knowledge,
 three previous cases of high-ranking US government officials
 caught passing top secret information to Israel have been similarly
 hushed up.  Two were senior defense department officials under
 Reagan, one a top State Department official in a previous
 administration.  None were prosecuted.

 Pollard's defenders claim he, like Capt. Dreyfus, is a victim of
 anti-Semitism in the military.  They maintain Pollard was 'only'
 spying for a friendly country, motivated solely by concern for
 Israel's security.

 These assertions are patently false.  Pollard was suspected for
 some time of spying.  Investigation was held off precisely because
 of fears of raising cries of anti-Semitism.  Pollard and his
 accomplice wife took large sums of money and jewelry from Israeli
 agents in payment for spying.

 With remarkable chutzpah, Israel, which receives $4-5 billion in US
 aid annually, refuses to return documents stolen by Pollard, or
 allow US intelligence to debrief Mossad agents who ran Pollard in
 order to learn the full extent of the disaster.  While Netanyahu
 kept calling for Pollard's release on "humanitarian" grounds, he
 refused to free Israeli prisoner of conscience, Mordechai Vanunu,
 now serving 18 years in solitary confinement in Israel for telling
 a British newspaper about Israel's nuclear arsenal.

 Pollard is no Jewish patriot.  He is a grubby little traitor who
 sold out his country, and fellow intelligence officers, for money,
 then claimed he was being persecuted by anti-Semites.

 Victim he is not.  To the contrary, Pollard is a poster boy for
 anti-Semitism.  His treason exposes all American Jews to hate,
 and accusations of doubtful loyalty.

 Jonathan Pollard is a Judas - not a second Dreyfus - and should
 stay in prison.

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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

1999-01-17 Thread JJSANJ


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I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone seeing
him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-17 Thread Linda Minor


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from:
http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/clintime.htm

Timeline:
The Assault on the Presidency

by Edward Spannaus and Jeffrey Steinberg
Printed in The Executive Intelligence Review, February 6, 1998.

--

April 1991: Linda Tripp goes to work for the Bush White House as a political
appointee, following a series of civil service jobs in the Department of
Defense.

November-December 1992: At the recommendation of senior Bush administration
people, the Clinton transition team hires Linda Tripp as an administrative
assistant.

January-March 1993: After working initially for Presidential aide Bruce
Lindsey, Tripp is assigned to the Office of Legal Counsel, working for
Bernard Nussbaum and sometimes for Vincent Foster.

Winter 1993: Tony Snow, a conservative columnist on the payroll of Rupert
Murdoch's Fox TV, introduces New York City literary agent Lucianne Goldberg
to Linda Tripp, as Goldberg is seeking contracts for anti-Clinton books.

Feb. 11, 1994: Paula Jones holds a press conference, claiming she had been
accosted by Governor Clinton.

March-April 1994: The Sunday Telegraph's Washington bureau chief, Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard, holds a series of meetings with Paula Jones and her
lawyers, pressing her to file a lawsuit against the President.

April 1994: Tripp is transferred from her White House job to a position at
the Pentagon. Clinton loyalists have already become suspicious that Tripp
has been a ``mole'' for Republican Get Clinton forces. Tripp lies to
colleagues at the Pentagon that she was expelled from the White House
because she ``knew too much about Whitewater.''

May 5, 1994: Paula Jones files her lawsuit against Bill Clinton. She
receives extensive financial support from conservative and evangelical legal
foundations, most of them funded by Richard Mellon Scaife.

Summer 1994: Kenneth Starr is preparing a pro bono legal brief for women's
groups supporting Paula Jones. He is simultaneously doing work for the
Landmark Legal Foundation, one of the groups bankrolled by Mellon Scaife.

Aug. 5, 1994: Starr is named to replace Robert Fiske as Whitewater
independent counsel. The three-judge selection panel is headed by Appellate
Court Judge David Sentelle.

Summer 1995: Monica Lewinsky becomes an unpaid intern in the White House.
She is later given a paid job there, answering correspondence.

July-August 1995: Tripp testifies before the Senate Whitewater committee
about events surrounding the death of Vincent Foster.

April 17, 1996: Lewinsky is transferred to the Pentagon.

Autumn 1996: Lewinsky meets Tripp.

November 1996: Starr begins questioning Arkansas state troopers about
Clinton's extramarital affairs, although there is no clear mandate for this
line of investigation.

Spring 1997:Newsweek's Michael Isakoff first meets Linda Tripp, while
Isakoff is working on the Paula Jones case. Lucianne Goldberg attends some
of the Tripp-Isakoff meetings.

August 1997: Tripp speaks to Newsweek about an alleged sexual encounter
between President Clinton and Kathleen Willey.

Aug. 11, 1997: President Clinton's personal attorney, Robert Bennett,
attacks Tripp's credibility after the Willey story breaks in the news, and
Willey denies the Tripp allegations.

Late August 1997: Linda Tripp begins taping phone conversations with Monica
Lewinsky.

October 1997: Tripp and Isakoff meet with Lucianne Goldberg, in Joshua
Goldberg's Washington apartment. Tripp plays several of the Lewinsky tapes
for Goldberg.

Autumn 1997: The Rutherford Institute, which is now representing Paula
Jones, reportedly receives three anonymous phone calls from a woman,
alerting them to a Lewinsky-Clinton ``affair.'' Earlier, an anonymous call,
also from a woman, had reportedly tipped off the Rutherford lawyers about
Katherine Willey.

Dec. 17, 1997: Lewinsky and Tripp are subpoenaed by Jones's lawyers, to be
depositioned for the upcoming civil suit against the President.

Dec. 26, 1997: Lewinsky leaves her job at the Pentagon.

Jan. 7, 1998: Lewinsky signs an affidavit denying that she had had an affair
with President Clinton.

Jan. 10-12, 1998: Sometime during this 72-hour period, Linda Tripp brings
her tapes to Kenneth Starr.

Jan. 13, 1998: Tripp meets Lewinsky at Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Pentagon City,
Virginia; Tripp is wearing a wire, with FBI agents in hiding. At this point,
Starr still has no jurisdiction to probe the Lewinsky matter.

Jan. 15, 1998: Starr meets Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder and requests
expansion of his investigative authority.

Jan. 16, 1998: Reno applies to the three-judge panel for expansion of
Starr's investigation. The request is immediately approved.

Jan. 16, 1998: Starr interviews Hillary Clinton under oath at the White
House.

Jan. 16, 1998: Tripp meets Lewinsky at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel; FBI agents
grab Lewinsky and bring her up to a hotel suite, where they try to compel
her to take immunity--without a lawyer present--and then attempt to entrap
Vernon Jordan and President

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-17 Thread Linda Minor


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from:
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The British Oligarchy Moves To Oust President Clinton

by Jeffrey Steinberg
Printed in The Executive Intelligence Review, February 6, 1998.


The British monarchy, in league with elements of a vast Anglophile apparatus
inside the United States, is running a high-risk, high-stakes assault
against President Bill Clinton and, more broadly, the institution of the
U.S. Presidency, in the midst of the gravest financial and monetary crisis
of the twentieth century. The so-called Monica Lewinsky sex scandal is but
the latest and most vile episode in a British-led ``Get Clinton'' campaign
that was set in motion even before the President was sworn into office in
January 1993--long before the American public ever heard of Whitewater or
Paula Jones.
The fact that the latest chapter of the frame-up campaign occurred on the
eve of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's meeting with President
Clinton, and as the Clinton administration was battling City of London,
continental European, and Wall Street bankers over how to deal with a
systemic world financial meltdown, currently centered in Asia, suggests the
real motives behind the latest ``bimbo eruption'' against the President.

It has been standard British monarchy fare, for example the ``Profumo
Affair'' in 1962-63, to accomplish strategic political objectives via
seemingly ``apolitical'' sex scandals. In that instance, the British
establishment used a sex scandal, with KGB complications, involving British
Defense Minister John Profumo, to bring down the Harold Macmillan government
and usher into power a thoroughly ``New Age'' Labourite, Harold Wilson. The
Wilson government immediately proceeded to launch a strategic assault upon
the Bretton Woods System, which led, in 1971, to President Nixon's
disastrous withdrawal of the dollar from the gold-pegged,
fixed-exchange-rate system. Those British-orchestrated events, during
1968-71, set the world on the course of financial and economic disaster,
which is now in its end-game phase.

In the present instance, the Hollinger Corp., the media cartel that grew out
of World War II British intelligence operations aimed at the United States,
dispatched, in 1993, under journalist cover, a self-admitted MI6 stringer,
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, to stir up a seemingly endless string of sex and
murder scandals, all aimed against the President. Evans-Pritchard has
bragged, in the pages of the Telegraph newspapers, that he personally
induced Paula Jones to launch her legal suit against President Clinton. The
suit has been bankrolled, from day one, through various right-wing and
Christian fundamentalist fronts, all financed by Richard Mellon Scaife, the
scion of the rabidly Anglophile Mellon family.

Rupert Murdoch, another ``crown jewel'' of the House of Windsor, has thrown
his own media empire, including the London Times, the New York Post, and the
U.S. network Fox TV, into the ``Get Clinton'' propaganda frenzy. The
editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal, the Moonie Washington Times, and
the Hollinger-led American Spectator, have all been part of what the White
House appropriately dubbed ``the media food chain.'' In turn, these
ostensibly mainstream media outlets have worked in tandem with a large
number of even more unsavory newsletters--such as convicted fraudster Nick
Guarino's Wall Street Underground, Lord William Rees-Mogg's Strategic
Investment newsletter, and British plagiarist Dr. John Coleman's World In
Review--to spread the poison among gullible Main Street populists, through a
never-ending stream of junk-mail promotionals.

Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr, formerly President George
Bush's Solicitor General, is another creature of the Mellon Scaife
apparatus. Before he was appointed to the Whitewater grand inquisitor post,
the wildly Anglophilic Starr (he has photographs of Margaret Thatcher in all
his offices, according to the London Guardian) was involved in pro bono
legal work on the Paula Jones suit against the President. Starr has already
been provided with a lucrative post-Whitewater job at Pepperdine University
in California, a school heavily endowed by Mellon Scaife.

Even at the lowest gutter level, the assault on the President involves
people with long-standing Anglophile intelligence pedigrees--and worse.
Linda Tripp, the Bush administration mole who was the central player in two
attempted ``sex scandal'' attacks against President Clinton, has a
background that includes participation in several classified military
intelligence units, including the elite counter-terror Delta Force. From the
moment the Clinton administration came to Washington, Tripp surrounded
herself with hard-core enemies of President Clinton, such as retired FBI
agent Gary Aldrich, who wrote a book-length fabrication about his two-year
stint at the Clinton White House. Tripp had also established what she
described to her lawyer as a ``comfort

[CTRL] 'Dear Mr. President'

1999-01-17 Thread Gavin Phillips


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More fallout from
'Dear Mr. President'
Popular talk show host
canned for support

By Stephan Archer
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
San Diego's No. 1 talk show host, Roger Hedgecock,
has been suspended from his contract with KUSI-TV,
San Diego, for giving favorable publicity to Steve Vaus'
nationwide "Dear Mr. President" ad campaign.
Hedgecock, who is under contract with KUSI to
provide political commentary twice a week, received a
call Wednesday night from the independent news
station saying he was suspended "indefinitely." The
reason given to Hedgecock was that he had violated his
contract.
Hedgecock refutes the notion that he violated his
contract with KUSI because the contract states he is to
provide conservative political commentary twice a
week for the station. This, Hedgecock says, is what he
was doing.
"I guess I'm a casualty of this 'Clinton' media because I
tried to put this ("Dear Mr. President" campaign) on the
air," Hedgecock said.
At KOGO, Hedgecock hosts a daily talk show as well.
During his talk show yesterday, Mike McKinnon,
owner of KUSI, called Hedgecock's show from his car
and announced over the air that Hedgecock had
violated his contract with KUSI.
In reply to McKinnon's statement over the air,
Hedgecock said that he had promoted many things
before, and had always received approval for them. He
says he had also received approval to air a supportive
commentary of the "Dear Mr. President" campaign.
In response, an indignant McKinnon told Hedgecock to
"clean out your ears."
Vaus, a singer and songwriter, and the creative driving
force behind the "Dear Mr. President" campaign,
witnessed the production of the show and said that he
could see "steam" coming out of Hedgecock's ears.
"This is censorship plain and simple," said Vaus.
"What it is, is a news station daring to censor me
because I would dare to criticize the president," said
Hedgecock.
The "Dear Mr. President" campaign features kids
reading letters to the president asking him for help and
advice after being caught lying or cheating. The spots
are currently airing as paid commercials in New York
City and Washington, D.C. In addition, hundreds of
other stations have donated airtime.
Two stations, though, have refused to sell any airtime to
the campaign -- the No. 1-rated WHUR in
Washington, D.C., and WFAN, the flagship station of
the "Imus in the Morning" program. However, based on
letters that the "Imus" computer bulletin board received,
it may be a bad idea not to sell airtime to the campaign.
The program's bulletin board received hundreds of
letters asking producers why they hadn't aired the "Dear
Mr. President" campaign on the show.
Commenting on the many people that have sent letters
to various radio stations demanding the campaign be
aired, Vaus said, "People are saying that they haven't
had a voice. They say that they look at the polls, but the
polls don't reflect any of their feelings. 'Finally, here is
an opportunity for me to be heard,' they say."
Vaus said that he's averaging about 20 radio interviews
a day due to the campaign. He's also receiving about
the same number of people requesting free copies.
The campaign is being funded by donations -- and out
of Vaus' own pocket. More information is available on
his Website.





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[CTRL] Monica Paula-Just the Facts

1999-01-17 Thread Gavin Phillips


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www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19990115_xcbtl_monica_lew.shtml

Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones
Joseph Farah


How many times have you heard that Bill Clinton didn't
really commit perjury in his testimony in the Paula Jones
case because Monica Lewinsky was later deemed not
to be a material witness in the case?
Such a suggestion makes about as much sense to me as
concluding that because O.J. Simpson was found not
guilty of murdering Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron
Goldman that the victims are not really dead.
Here's why, no matter what any judge rules, Monica
Lewinsky's testimony in the Paula Jones case was
absolutely germane, relevant and critical to a fair and
just verdict in the case.
Let's review some basic facts: Paula Jones said
Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton solicited her -- in the
crudest, most vulgar way, Billy-Bob, white trash
manner -- for oral sex. Not for straight sex, mind you.
Not for a long-term affair. Not for a night at a cheap
motel. No. For a few minutes of quick, wham, bam,
thank-you Ma'am oral sex in a hotel suite. He was a
busy man and he needed what he needed without any
foreplay, candlelight or small talk. And what he needed
was very specific -- he needed her to, in his words,
"kiss it."
Let's also keep in mind that Paula Jones was a state
employee. Clinton wasn't just her boss -- he was the
ultimate boss. He was the king of Arkansas. He could
move the Ozarks. There wasn't anything he couldn't do
in the land of Little Rock. Paula Jones was a lowly,
hourly employee who seldom if ever came into contact
with such movers and shakers.
When this simple peasant girl had the nerve to refuse
the wishes of her ultimate master, she was warned not
to make any trouble over this. Remember, he told her, I
know your supervisor -- we're good friends. Don't tell
anyone about this. You're a smart girl.
Disgusted by her experience, but frightened and
intimidated, too, she didn't make an issue of the brutish
harassment -- at least, not until a magazine article
suggested she had "come on" to the president and
offered to be his girlfriend. That was the last straw. She
wanted the record straight. She wanted Clinton to
apologize to her and let the world know she did no such
thing. He refused. Paula Jones got nothing from Bill
Clinton -- until she sued him and received, after much
delay, an $850,000 settlement.
Now, let's go to Lewinsky. Why is her testimony so
relevant? Like Paula Jones, she was a lowly White
House employee. An intern, she was about as far
removed from the powerful world of the president of
the United States as you could get. Yet, she was under
his influence, under his command and -- in this case --
under his spell. Lewinsky obligingly gave Clinton just
what he wanted between those hectic meetings with
Yasser Arafat, pesky congressmen and Eleanor
Mondale. And notice that he wanted the same thing
from both Jones and Lewinsky.
But, unlike Jones who didn't cooperate, Lewinsky was
rewarded for her extracurricular activities. Even though
her job evaluation reviews were mediocre and the fact
that she was not well-regarded around the White House
as an employee, because of her performance on her
knees, she landed on her feet.
She got an assignment at the Defense Department and
top-security clearance. Later, the president got her
interviews for jobs at the United Nations with our U.N.
ambassador. He had Vernon Jordan get her job offers
from top corporations.
In short, her experience was quite a bit different from
Paula Jones, who, ultimately, felt compelled to leave the
state of Arkansas and move, with her husband, to
California.
I absolutely believe without a shadow of a doubt that, if
Clinton and Lewinsky had not lied under oath in the
Paula Jones case, Lewinsky's story would have
significantly buttressed Jones' case. I believe it would
have resulted in a guilty verdict and a sizable civil
judgment against Clinton. I believe Lewinsky's
testimony was only dismissed as immaterial because she
and the president lied in an effort to deny Paula Jones
justice in her civil rights case.
Remember all this the next time you hear one of those
Clinton apologists making the case that Monica
Lewinsky was not even a material witness in a case that
was dismissed.
Clinton should be in jail for that perjury, that
conspiracy, that flagrant disregard for equal justice
under the law, that contempt for the oaths he took. He
certainly cannot command the respect and integrity
needed by the chief law enforcement official in the most
powerful nation on earth.

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Re: [CTRL] Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty

1999-01-17 Thread nurev


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Mike Moxley wrote:

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 Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty
 by Mike Moxley

 Libertarians claim to be the promoters and defenders of Liberty in the
 truest sense of the intentions of the founding fathers of our nation.  Is
 this so?

 To the Libertarian, the ULTIMATE VALUE of Libertarianism is Liberty, rather
 than Liberty being the result of a moral government of, by, and for a moral
 people.

Up until this point Moxley has it right. The rest is crap.

 The morality being based in religious principle.  The founders knew
 that morality could not exist outside of religious principle:

 "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is
 wholly inadequate to the government of any other."-John Adams

That was his opinion. The founders knew how corrosive was the power of
organized religion and always tried to keep it weak in regard to the
state while allowing individual use of religious addiction to
supernatural
nonsense.


 "Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and
 religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be
 entrusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any
 government secure which is not supported by moral habits Whatever makes
 men good Christians, makes them good citizens." - Daniel Webster

Can they be good citizens if they are not Christians? Can they be
moral if
they are not Christians? What is moral anyway?

 We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human
 passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or
 gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale
 goes through a net.  Our Constitution was made only for a moral and
 religious people.  It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
 - John Adams, Oct.11, 1798 Address to the military

Hey Moxley, how do you feel about Capitalism? How does it fit into
your
Christian morality as expressed above?


 "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,
 religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man
 claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars
 of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and
 citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that
 national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles."
 -George Washington

This from a man who got to be the richest man in the country by
stealing
the land he promised as payment to his soldiers for fighting a
revolution
of the rich.


 While the Libertarians have a form of morality as in their oft quoted: "Our
 liberties stop at another's nose", the libertarians lack of a moral
 STANDARD causes them to overshoot the nose and land one right between the
 eyes of another.  In other words, because of a lack of a moral standard,
 100 Libertarians have 100 different ideas just exactly where your nose starts.

You got that right.

 So what religious principle is this American morality based in? Well, who
 were the fathers and grandfathers of our revolutionary founders?  The
 pilgrims and men such as Smith, Raleigh, William Penn. The morals of these
 men came from the religious principles set forth in the Holy Bible.  They
 dedicated this land to the God of the Bible.  To wit:

 Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian
 Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first
 colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly
 and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and
 combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better
 Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by
 Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws,
 Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be
 thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto
 which we promise all due submission and obedience. -Mayflower Compact, 1620

 The founders spoke of the morality of the Christian faith.  The writings,
 speeches, and quotes of the founders show that the Bible was their source
 of morality.  To the founders liberty was from God and was a direct result
 of living that morality and believing, despite overwhelming adversity, that
 God would bring them to victory and to true liberty. They actually believed
 that "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty" -II Corinthians 3:17.

So a bunch of superstitious bigots steal a continent in the name of
Christian
morality. That's typical.

 Proof?
 History will also afford the frequent opportunities of showing the
 necessity of a public religion, from its usefulness to the public; the
 advantage of a religious character among private persons; the mischiefs of
 superstition, c. and the excellency of the Christian religion above all
 others, ancient or modern.

[CTRL] Capital controls.

1999-01-17 Thread nurev


 -Caveat Lector-

THE CASE FOR CAPITAL CONTROLS
by Paul Davidson

In this decade there has been an international currency crisis every two to
three years: the European Monetary System crisis in 1992, the Mexican peso
crisis of 1994-5 and the 1997-98 Asian and Russian debacles. Does this
periodic breakdown of international capital markets mean that the movement
towards liberalizing capital markets started in the 1970s gone too far?
Have international financial markets become so fragile as to threaten the
economic health of the global economy?

 Understanding  the role of financial markets and the policy stance that
should be applied depends on the underlying economic theory that one
explicitly, or implicitly, relies on. There are two major theories of
financial markets: (1) the efficient market theory and (2) Keynes's
liquidity theory.  The logic of the former inevitably leads to a
laissez-faire policy, while the latter recommends some form of capital
regulation.

The efficient market theory is the backbone of today's conventional
economic wisdom. Its mantra is "the market knows best; markets are
efficient and governments are inefficient". This view is epitomized in US
Deputy Treasury Summers's statement: "the ultimate social functions [of
financial markets are] spreading risks, guiding the investment of scarce
capital, and processing and disseminating the information possessed by
diverse traders...prices will always reflect fundamental values   The
logic of efficient markets is compelling".

Since the 1970s, Summers's "compelling" efficient market logic  has
provided the justification for nations to dismantle most of the immediate
post-war  ubiquitous capital market regulations. Deregulated financial
markets, it is claimed, will produce lower real costs of capital and higher
output and productivity growth rates compared to those experienced between
the war and 1973 when international capital controls were practiced by most
countries of the world, including the United States.

The facts, unfortunately, do not support this liberalization argument. The
years between the war and 1973 were an era of unprecedented sustained
economic growth in both developed and developing countries. The average per
capita annual real growth rate of OECD nations from 1950 till 1973 was
almost precisely double the previous peak  growth rate of the industrial
revolution period. Productivity growth was more than triple that
experienced in the industrial revolution. The resulting prosperity of OECD
nations was transmitted to the less developed nations through trade, aid,
and direct foreign investment. From 1950-73, average per capita growth for
all less developed countries  was 3.3 per cent, almost triple the average
growth rate experienced by the industrializing nations during the
industrial revolution.

With liberalization, there has been as significant deterioration in
economic performance. The annual growth rate in  investment in plant and
equipment in OECD nations fell from  6% (before 1973) to less than 3 %
(since 1973). Less investment growth means a slower economic growth rate
(from 5.9% to 2.8%) while labor productivity growth declined even more
dramatically (from 4.6% to 1.6 %). Instead of delivering the utopian
promises of greater stability and more rapid economic growth, the period of
liberalizing capital markets  has been associated with one economic crisis
after another, e.g., stagflation and soaring interest rates in the 1970s,
the Latin American and African Debt problems of the 1980s, and the
recurrent international financial market crises of the 1990s. Since
efficient market theory has not delivered on its promises, it is time to
explore whether there may be an important role for international capital
market regulations.

Keynes's theory is that the primary function of financial markets is to
provide liquidity. The ability to readily liquidate one's position requires
an orderly financial market. Orderliness means constraining market price
movements by controlling the net cash flows into and out of the market,
just as a theatre owner sells just as many tickets as seats to control
crowd inflow into a West End hit, and laws preventing shouting fire in a
crowded theatre encourage an orderly crowd outflow. In the absence of such
flow controls, there can be a damaging crush to get in and even a greater
disorderly rush to make a fast exit if anyone smells a whiff of smoke.

Keynes argued that orderly deregulated financial markets can provide
liquidity as long as market participants accept the convention "that the
existing state of affairs will continue indefinitely, except as we have
specific reasons to expect a change". In other words, deregulated financial
market price stability is based on the flimsy foundation of an expected
inertia in future market forces. These expectations, however, can be
subject to sudden and violent changes, especially when, as Keynes noted, "
the conventional valuation is...the

Re: [CTRL] Dear Congressman Hyde

1999-01-17 Thread J FROST


 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Representative Hyde:
Is omitting to tell the truth the same as lying?  Have you told the whole
truth about your own background, and, no, I don't mean sexual exploits.
I
mean important things, like the following:
///

Is clinton innocent because others are guilty of the same or other
things?
If politicians are to be found innocent of their criminal acts because
someone in the other party is also a criminal, then what law is
any politician under?

Proving the other guy is guilty does not prove your pigon is innocent, it
only proves they are all ass hole criminals.

Do you propose all criminal politicians be above the laws or only
those in your own party?

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

1999-01-17 Thread Hawk


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Brian Redman wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
 made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
 camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
 is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
 reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
 can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
 clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
 of the assembled senators?

They don't want you to see them: dozing, cutting out paper dolls, scratching
themselves, etc.  As the adage goes, "One shouldn't watch laws or sausage when
they're being made."

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

1999-01-17 Thread Hilary Thomas


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Brian,

I believe if the cameras were facing the Senators we would see that many of
them are fast asleep!  Most of them don't want to do this and are forced to
sit there.  I suspect that while many of them bring their bodies their minds
are elsewhere as they have already decided how they will vote.  The massive
whoring and party line dribble on TV talk shows by Senators on both sides of
the argument, is testimony that we do not have a legitimate trial going on.
IMHO

Hilary

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Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
of the assembled senators?

Brian Redman
Editor, CNNS
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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-17 Thread Barb Witt


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Linda:  I am interested and appreciate your posts on the subject from
various sources.

Barb

At 09:59 AM 1/17/99 -0600, Linda Minor wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

Barb Witt wrote:
Since you seem very convinced, and recite your story as if factual, it
would be helpful to me if you could provide at least one or two specific
details, eg, who are the members of this cabal, how do they choose their
victims, are they all the victims of this group "important political
figures," what is the agenda of this group, etc.  Sorry, it just seems
improbable to me that it would take a well-orchestrated cabal, major
planning, and an entire caste of characters flawlessly executing
pre-planned movements to get Clinton to drop his pants, or lie, etc.

+
Barb,
If you're truly interested in learning how this cabal operates, try reading
the following article.  It may interest you to know that Theodore Olson is
married to the Barbara Olson who has been appearing on the talk-show
circuit, especially Larry King Live.

Linda

==
from:
http://www.larouchepub.com/olson_starr_salon.html

 This article appeared in the March 13, 1998 issue of Executive Intelligence
Review.

Secret Operation vs. Clinton Is Run by Olson-Starr Salon
by Edward Spannaus
Dramatic new information developed by EIR on the role of Washington lawyer
Theodore B. Olson as the power behind independent counsel Kenneth Starr,
suggests that President Clinton is the target of an illegal, rogue
intelligence operation being carried out under the putative authority of the
1981 Presidential Executive Order 12333.

There are close parallels between the operation being run against Clinton,
and that carried out against Lyndon LaRouche by some of the same circles, in
the 1980s. The railroad against LaRouche was conducted as a covert foreign
intelligence operation under the provisions of E.O. 12333--which permitted
the "privatization" of intelligence operations. Key to the ensuing
prosecution and judicial frame-up of LaRouche was a "softening up" process
of defamation conducted through news media assets of George Bush's "secret
government."

This propaganda campaign was coordinated through a series of secret "Get
LaRouche" meetings at the New York apartment of Wall Street spook/financier
John Train--in what has become known as the "Train salon"--which included
representatives of government intelligence and law enforcement agencies,
plus news media representatives, including the Wall Street Journal. The
"Train salon" was a project of the "Public Diplomacy" effort run out of the
National Security Council, under the direction of George Bush's national
security adviser Donald Gregg, and Gregg's associate, longtime CIA
propaganda specialist Walter Raymond. According to evidence obtained by the
Congressional committees investigating Iran-Contra, the initial financing
for the Public Diplomacy program came from two intelligence-linked sources:
Richard Mellon Scaife's foundations, and the Smith-Richardson Foundation.

As we shall see, the same sort of "public-private" operation is now being
conducted against President Clinton, by circles around Theodore Olson.

In the LaRouche case, the "foreign counterintelligence" hook for the
investigation was the allegation--circulated by Henry Kissinger and circles
in the FBI--that LaRouche was a Soviet agent of influence, or a Soviet
disinformation agent. It is likely that, in the case of Clinton, the pretext
is the charge, circulating widely among circles within the FBI and private
right-wing networks, that Clinton is guilty of treason for allowing secret
intelligence to flow to China, in exchange for campaign contributions.

The Olson salon
The "Get Clinton" salon meets regularly at the home of former Justice
Department official Olson, a longtime close friend and associate of Kenneth
Starr, and of Olson's wife Barbara, chief counsel for Rep. Dan Burton's
House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Burton's committee has been
noisily conducting investigations of the "Chinagate" allegations around
Democratic Party campaign fundraising, and of other alleged Clinton
administration transgressions.

The gatherings include: Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, Federal appeals
court judge Laurence Silberman, former judge Robert Bork, Supreme Court
associate justice Clarence Thomas, Wall Street Journal editor Robert
Bartley, American Spectator editor Emmett Tyrrell, and many others.

A glimpse into the Olson salon can be found in the July 1997 Esquire
magazine, in an article by David Brock, titled "Confessions of a Right-Wing
Hit Man." Brock was the author of the Scaife-financed "Troopergate" article
in the January 1994 American Spectator--on whose board Ted Olson sits. Brock
described how he had been a guest at the wedding of Ted and Barbara Olson in
the summer of 1996, where "the entire anti-Clinton establishment" was on
hand, including Starr, former Bush White House Counsel C. Boyden Gray, and
the Wall Street Journal's

[CTRL] Implanted Electrodes Transmit Brain Signals to Computer

1999-01-17 Thread Lucio Benedetto


Turning Thoughts Into Action
Implanted Electrodes Transmit Brain Signals to Computer
By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 17, 1999; Page A01

ATLANTAAs Philip R. Kennedy, physician and inventor, prepares a paralyzed
man to operate a computer with his thoughts, it briefly seems possible a
historic scene is unfolding in this hospital room, and that Kennedy might be
a new Alexander Graham Bell.

Of course, it's also possible he's a new Johann Philipp Reis.

Reis built a telephone out of a violin case, sausage skin and pieces of a
beer barrel in Germany in 1860. That was 16 years before Bell unveiled his
telephone, which revolutionized human communication. Reis's invention
worked, too, but not well enough to be useful. It proved a point, but did
little more.

"Johnny, are you comfortable?" Kennedy asks as he steers three carts covered
with electronic gear over to the hospital bed and begins to unpack wires.
"Is your back hanging in there?"

The man in bed is middle-aged, red-faced and motionless, except for the
muscles of his face. He blinks twice, his sign for "yes."

The room, in a veterans hospital, is supposed to hold four patients, but
Kennedy's equipment takes up the space where one would normally lie. Two
other men occupy beds across the room from the paralyzed man. They pay no
attention as the doctor and his assistant plug in wires, calibrate an
oscilloscope, tape electrodes onto the patient's skin, crank up the head of
his bed and position a video monitor in front of his face.

It takes about 20 minutes before Kennedy opens a cloth-bound ledger, the
official record of his audacious experiment. "Day 259," he says aloud,
starting a new entry. "Day 259 after implantation." The man in bed tracks
him with his eyes.

Nearly nine months earlier, two small electrodes were placed in John L.
Ray's brain. They record the firing of his brain cells -- which is to say,
his thoughts. Now, he's learning to use those thoughts, carried out of his
head through tiny wires, to move the cursor on a computer screen.

He can't do it very well. But he does it better than he did a few months
ago.

If someday Ray learns to control the cursor as smoothly and effortlessly as
he once controlled his limbs, all sorts of possibilities will open up. He'll
be able to write a sentence, surf the Web, turn on the lights, drive a
wheelchair. In theory, that is.

On the other hand, it may turn out that all he, and the patients who may
follow him, will ever be able to do is clumsily and exhaustingly bounce the
cursor around. In which case this work will be a historical curiosity --
something that proves a point, but does little else.

"Johnny, you ready to start?" Kennedy asks.

Philip Kennedy's work is based on a simple fact: Thoughts are not ethereal
things. They obey the laws of physics, and can be used as physical tools.

Until recently, only in science fiction, magic shows and certain forms of
religious devotion did people try to move objects with thought, and without
the intervening action of human muscle. Now, a few people are trying to do
it in medicine.

The purpose of "cortical control devices" is to capture the physical essence
of cognition and, with the help of lots of intervening machinery, translate
it into action. Kennedy is the first scientist to oversee the implantation
of such a device into a person's brain.

Under normal circumstances, voluntary movement begins when a nerve cell in
the brain -- a neuron -- fires. This sends a low-voltage pulse of
electricity through the cell's microscopic tendrils, which contact dozens of
other cells. The pulse causes some of those cells to fire, others to stop
firing, and in all triggers an immensely complex chain of events that ends
with an eye blinking, a finger pointing, a toe tapping.

Disease or accident can break this chain of transmission, rending the
filamentous path traced from neuron to neuron to muscle cell. Of course, a
person may still be able to think about moving a hand or a foot. But in a
literal sense, the thought will have nowhere to go.

This is what happened to Johnny Ray.

He's a 52-year-old man from Carrollton, Ga., a drywall contractor, a
three-tour veteran of the Vietnam War, an amateur country music guitarist.
About 14 months ago, a blood vessel burst in his brainstem, which connects
the spinal cord to the brain.

This is about the worst place for a stroke. No bigger than two fingers lying
side by side, the brainstem consists (mostly) of millions of nerve fibers
carrying signals from the brain out to the body, and from the body to the
brain. It's the main trunk line of the human nervous system. The clot that
formed in Ray's brainstem compressed nearly all the fibers going from brain
to muscle, and some of the fibers carrying sensation from the skin to the
brain, as well.

Today, he can produce flickers of movement in his left big toe and left
thumb. He can move his tongue, the muscles of his face, his eyeballs.
Otherwise, he can't move.

[CTRL] American Feared British Invasion in 1920s

1999-01-17 Thread Lucio Benedetto


London Sunday Times
January 17 1999 IRELAND
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/frontpage.html?1121757

Paranoia that led US to plan invasion of Ireland

by York Membery

THE American army was so fearful of a British invasion in the 1920s that it
drew up plans for a counterattack against Britain, including landing an
expeditionary force in Ireland.

As late as 1936 the American military believed that the possibility of a
British attack "should be the governing consideration in our peacetime
preparedness". In response, it drew up "War Plan Red". The plan, discovered
by a British historian at the Naval Historical Centre in Washington,
proposed intercepting supplies of wheat and meat bound for Britain and
sending US marines into British possessions including Jamaica, the Bahamas
and Bermuda. The plan remained operational until the mid-1930s.

"War Plan Red runs to more than 100 pages," said John Major, a history
professor at the University of Hull, who uncovered the document while
researching a book about the Panama Canal. "My initial reaction was one of
shock. I had never been aware that there were any such contingency plans,
particularly as Britain and America are such close allies."

The possible cause of an Anglo-American conflict was judged to have been
American penetration and expansion into regions formerly dominated by
Britain which might have caused economic damage.

The diagnosis concluded that Britain would aim to eliminate America as a
commercial threat by destruction of US shipping and foreign trade, the
acquisition of American overseas possessions such as the Panama Canal and
ultimately the invasion of the United States from Canada, then part of the
British Empire.

"Within 40 days of the outbreak of hostilities, the Americans thought the
admiralty could assemble 14 battleships, 38 cruisers, five aircraft
carriers, 130 destroyers and 34 submarines at the Canadian port of Halifax,"
said Major, who is no relation to the former prime minister.

The US army believed the focus of the British onslaught would be industrial
cities such as Detroit and Pittsburgh, vital to America's war machine. It
also feared the RAF would launch air strikes on Boston, New York and
Washington, and "an expedition, probably led by Australia" would target
America's Far Eastern colony, the Philippines.

To meet the supposed threat, the American army would have sent 25,000 men to
Halifax and attacked Montreal and Quebec. Elsewhere, American forces would
have tried to seize British possessions in the Caribbean and secure a base
of operations on the Irish coast, while the US navy would have harried
British cargo ships in the Far East and the Atlantic.

Preposterous as the notion of a 20th-century Anglo-American conflict now
seems, the US military had grave doubts about its capacity to win a war with
Britain, Major discovered.

"For a start, the US navy had its fleet stationed on America's west coast,"
he said. "It would have taken eight days, at the very least, to move the
fleet to the Atlantic via the Panama Canal."

War Plan Red was approved in 1930 and issued in 1931. It was revised in 1935
and during the winter of 1935-36 the US First Army enthusiastically
simulated the ground campaign against Halifax.

War was the last thing on Britain's mind even though relations with America
in the years after the first world war were "unsettled", according to the
British-born head of history at Yale, Paul Kennedy.

It was not until May 1936 that War Plan Red was placed "on low priority" and
in the following October it was officially declared obsolete by the military
chief of staff. By then, Major said, "it had been made redundant by changing
international conditions".

Professor Robert Love, a lecturer at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis,
said: "From today's perspective, War Plan Red might seem bizarre, if not
comical, but it was a useful military exercise. For instance, I'm certain
that second world war military planners drew on the amphibious landing
section of the plan when they drew up Operation Overlord."

Even so, as General Sir Anthony Farrar-Hockley, former commander of British
land forces and commander-in-chief of Nato forces in Northern Europe, said:
"The idea of Britain invading the US in the 20th century is so utterly
absurd as to be beyond belief. My only explanation for War Plan Red is that
the US army, which was starved of funds between the wars, must have drawn it
up in an attempt to get more money out of the US government."



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[CTRL] JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT

1999-01-17 Thread J FROST


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Think about it ...

*  AMERICA SENDING TROOPS TO DEFEND ISRAEL

*  AMERICA GIVING ISRAEL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS

*  AND IT WAS ISRAEL WHO ENGAGED POLLARD TO STEAL
   SECRETS FROM AMERICA.

THERE ARE TWO TRAITORS INVOLVED, POLLARD AND ISRAEL

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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

1999-01-17 Thread Thomas, Kenneth F.


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In shorthand: certain multi-generational copies of the Z film seem to show
the driver, William Greer, turning and shooting JFK with a .45. Other
prints, most recently the digitally enhanced version on the "Image of an
Assassination" video, show clearly that this is not happening. The
provenance and the extent of tampering with even the original print of the Z
film is still hotly debated in the research community, however. Add this to
the fact that Greer does slow the car down during the time of the shooting
and that photos exist of an FBI man picking up a .45 slug on the opposite
side of Elm just after the hit, and you can see why the driver-did-it theory
still circulates. The person who originally set out to investigate this,
Lars Hanssen, ultimately decided it was wrong. The person who popularized
the theory, William Cooper, apparently still believes it is right.

"Image of an Assassination" is available through the Konformist website,
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

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I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone
seeing
him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN

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Re: [CTRL] A Civil Action - Fwd: Heath and Fitness newsletter has Water Filteration





after reading CNN 
CNN Water worries? -- The right filtration 
system may help
http://cnn.com/TECH/science/9901/11/water.purifiers/index.html
I thought that it 
might be a good idea to post this.
I also posted some links that warn of fluoride reciently, if 
anyone
wants those again please tell me.
Laura


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QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:11:21 
-0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: betty 
martini [EMAIL PROTECTED]Mailing-List: 
list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact 
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[aspartame] Re: Fwd: health and fitness newsletter (NancyMarkle) 
Also, article on Stevia I wrote including the letter from the FDAto the 
Stevita Co mpany published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors, 
Jan,l999.From: betty martini [EMAIL PROTECTED]Charmelle 
I'm not knowledgeable of Steve's Health  Fitness Newsletter. 
Ifyou have the email can you write him and explain what happened and 
give himthe web sites for me.  Also, you 're 
so good at finding out things about the stock market.Anyway to 
find out how far Equal is down. Last year it went down 17%, 
buthaven't heard this year. They may not be admitting 
anymore.Incidently, if you remember I wrote about Stevia and i n 
cluded the a ctualletter the FDA wrote to the Stevita Company asking 
them to destroy theircookbooks, then wrote about Stevia and 
aspartame. Someone saw it in somemedical library in New York 
published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors.I get it and looked 
it up so I have it, but it was on email . 
Thanks so much.All my best,BettyAt 12:26 
AM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote:Hi all,I often don't get a 
chance to read this Fitness Newsletter Steve sends out,and I've 
never asked that it be stopped. Tonight I decided to read it, 
andcame across 2 things that caught my eye...one being the Water 
Softenerarticle...and one that preceded it. YEP, Nancy 
Markle again !! EPAEnvironmental Conf  Multiple 
Sclerosisetc...It made it into Steve'sHealth  Fitness 
Newsletter too !! 
Charmelle--From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Return-path: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
health and fitness newsletterDate: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:19:12 
ESTMime-Version: 1.0Content-type: text/plain; 
charset=US-ASCIIContent-transfer-encoding: 
7bitIn a message dated 1/15/99 9:24:35 PM Central 
Standard Time, BODWISTEVEwrites: 
About the reader asking about water softeners and salt: I work 
forRainSoftwater purification systems. If your system 
happens to be a RainSoft, thenevery thing down to .0009 (9/10,000) 
microns is removed from your water.Thisincludes fluoride, 
and sodium chloride. There is no detriment to 
youbecauseyou obtain .015% monofluorophosphate (fluoride) from 
using toothpaste. Asforsalt, with a purifier, you 
cannot get salt in your water from the use ofsaltto clean your 
system's resin. However, if you have an ordinary 
softener,thenyou may have intrusion from the regeneration 
cycles. Subject: Water SoftenersDear 
Steve,I'd like to share some information that I learned in December 
of 1982. Iremember the date because I was in the hospital at 
the time recovering fromBreast Cancer Surgery. While I was 
watching TV, there was a portion of anewsshow which was 
about Softened Water. It told of how Softened Water, 
whenonetakes it in, causes the body to Excrete All the Body's 
Zinc...a tracemineral.I don't quite remember the 2 minerals 
mentioned, but I think one of them wasvanadium. The researcher 
said that when water is softened, and thehardeningminerals are 
removed, there are other minerals removed also...thought tobe 
ofno real importance ...but most don't realize that everything must 
bebalancedfor one to have healthy chemistries in the body. 
He explained on the showthat one of the minerals removed during 
softening...had a twin mineral...notsurebut I remember him 
mentioning Vanadium...whether it is the oneremovedor the one 
left behind, I'm not sure...but he explained that each of 
thoseminerals (twins or cousins so to speak), buffered each 
other. So when thewater was softened, and one was 
removed...the other when left behind wasToxicto the 
body...so the kidneys immediately set out to rid the body of 
thetoxicmineral...so the mineral having bound to it's NEXT 
Closestrelative...which isZinc..but still Toxic since it's 
Twin is missing to buffer itthe kidneysDo Excrete the toxic 
mineral along with the body's reserve ofZinc.leadingto 
Dangerous Illnessessuch as Prostate Problems, Fertility 
Problems,Female and Male Organ problems, Thyroid problems (my 
daughter Did developOveractive Thyroid after we purchased our Water 
Softener), Kidney Problems,Muscle Problems..including 
problems with the heart muscle, Grave weaknessincluding low 
resistance to diseasewith Severe deficiency 
signssometimesshowing up as White Spots in Fingernailsand

[CTRL] Formaldehyde

Forwared: From ADD Holistic
List owner Mark
Gold

Hi!I forwarded that abstract about magnesium deficiency in ADHD
children and significant improvement after supplementation to Dr. Russell
Blaylock. (I also forwarded to him another abstract that he refers
to.) I thought his comments would be of interest to the
list:Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:17:45 -0500From: Russell
Blaylock, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
Re: Magnesium and ADD/ADHDAnn Acad Med Stetin
1998;44:297-314The aim of my work was the answer to the following
questions: how often doesthe deficiency of magnesium, copper, zinc,
calcium, iron occur amonghyperactive children in comparison with healthy
children, deficiency of whichThank you for passing the paper
along.It has been something that I suspected all along. A group working out
ofCovington, La that I work with asked me about excitotoxins and ADD and
Isuggested that they add magnesium supplimentation to their protecol.
Theyhave found it to be very helpful. As you know, magnesium acts by
blockingthe voltage gated NMDA receptor physiologically. Magnesium
deficiency isvery common because of poor diets and use of carbonated soft
drinks. I haveresearched most of the papers concerned with magnesium and
neurologicalfunction and have found it to be one of the most
remarkableneuroprotectants. I use it on all of my surgical cases, especially
withbrain trauma, subarachnoid hemorrhages and strokes with great
success.unfortunately, most neurosurgeons do not use it.I also
appreciate the abstract you sent me concerning formaldehydeformation from
NutraSweet esposure. It was a very interesting paper, thatdemonstrates that
formaldehyde formation from aspartame ingestion is verycommon and does
indeed accumulate within the cell, reacting with cellularproteins ( mostly
enzymes) and DNA ( both mitochondrial and nuclear). Thefact that it
accumulates with each dose, indicates grave consequences amongthose who
consume diet drinks and foodstuffs on a daily basis.I have also
discovered that MSG excitotoxicity is greatly magnified in thepresence of
lead. This would have importance in children with ADD havingelevated
tissue lead levels. Likewise, recent studies have shown that MSGdramatically
elevates free radical generation within all tissues, not justbrain, and that
it does so for a prolonged periods of time following even asingle dose. The
importance of this observation is that this would alsoraise the likelihood
of cancer induction in several exposed tissues,including brain, by oncogene
activation by said free radicals.It is unfortunate that so few in the
field of ADDand ADHD care givingunderstand the central importance of
excitotoxins. Many of the treatmentthat I have seen relate back to
excitotoxicity, despite other explinationsbeing given. For example, the
Feingold diet. Close adherence to the dieteleminates many excitotoxins from
the diet. I suspect this is why it worksso well. Remember, excitotoxins
interplay with many neurotransmitters,stimulate free radical production,
damage brain lipids, interact with manytrace metals, and that elevated
intake of excitotoxins is associated witheicosanoid injury to neurons, which
would explain thier relationship toomega-3-fatty acids. These are very
powerful substances and not only canthey kill neurons, but they affect their
physiology and even braindevelopment itself.[followup
comments]With the newer studies linking excitotoxicity with free
radicalgeneration, I think it will be very difficult for those selling these
toxinto defend them as safe much longer. I am especially concerned because
thefree radical generation caused by excitotoxins is so prolonged. It must
berelated to all degenerative diseases, including cancer. In the case
ofaspartame, the effects of formaldehyde on cellular proteins and DNA
(oncogene activation and p53 tumor suppressor gene alteration)
inconjunction with free radical generation would certainly lead to a
highincidence of neuronal dysfunction. I think this is why I receive so
manycalls from young women who have developed brain tumors (
mostlyastrocytomas) following prolonged use of
NutraSweet.RussellBest
Wishes,
-
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[CTRL] Formaldehyde





I get posts from a lot of lists and this seems 
to follow the thread that I have started
It seem to deal primarily 
with Formaldehyde in homes, particularly new homes.
Fwd: Formaldehyde

This showed up on a list for Vaccine-dissenting parents in PA!!!How 
many of these names do we know?Study flags new formaldehyde 
risksChemicalfound in permanentpress 
shirts,other products Do you suspect the 
preservatives in your new carpet of turning your houseplants brown? Does 
that smell mysteriously flash you back to the frog youdissected in 
Chemistry 101? If so, you might be exposed to formaldehyde. Anew study 
finds that the chemical, known to be unhealthy at highconcentrations and 
in poorly ventilated spaces, is found in many householdproducts  
from permanent press shirts and bed linens to most 
home-buildingmaterials. SIX YEARS AGO, Daliya Robson was a 
successful real estate agent, showinghomes overlooking the spectacular 
coastlines and tucked in the woods aroundSanta Cruz, Calif. But in the 
course of previewing the desirable areas newhomes and properties 
 freshly built with new wood-flooring finishes,cabinets, 
insulation and carpets  she became very 
ill. I would come into these 
homes and be overwhelmed by the smells houses that had been 
locked up but which had been newly treated with allsorts of 
products, she says. Most of them, I found out, were 
toxicchemicals, and they really did me in. Her symptoms included 
burning eyesand skin, allergies, headache, dizziness and 
disorientation. Robson, now in her 
early 60s, believes her problems stem fromexposures to formaldehyde and 
related chemicals. She became so chemicallysensitized that she was 
forced to leave her job and drastically rearrangeher life, to the point 
of refurnishing her home and seeking medical help.The smell was 
too much in these newly built houses and now Ive been forcedto 
live in an older senior citizen home, she 
says. But she adds, Im 
doing remarkably better than many people. Robsonhas been in touch 
with more than 9,000 people experiencing similar symptomsthrough the 
hotline (800-968-9355) she started in 1992.A GROWING 
PROBLEM? Formaldehyde is 
probably the top indoor air quality troublemaker,according to 
Thomas J. Kelly, a chemist at the Battelle Memorial Institutein 
Columbus, Ohio, and author of a new study of the chemical commissioned 
bythe California Air Resources Board. The study, described in the 
Januaryissue of Environmental Science and Technology, a journal 
published by theAmerican Chemical Society, is the first of its kind in 
more than 15 years. The 
chemicals ability to trigger health problems and allergies 
hasbecome well known in the housing industry during the last 10 years, 
says DonBremner, vice president of Restoration Environmental Contractors 
in Torontoand Tampa, Fla., a company that removes formaldehyde from 
homes. A lot ofpeople are sensitized that werent years 
ago. How safe is your 
house? Formaldehyde is a 
base product in most home products, includingcabinets, insulation, 
counters, wallpapers and finishes, says Bremner. Butthe Battelle study 
is the first to extensively test a whole range ofhousehold products, 55 
in total. The institutes 
chemists chamber-tested each product by placingthem in a 
closet-sized chamber for 24 hours. They then measured theformaldehyde in 
the air. By far, the highest emitter 
was an acid-cured wood floor finish thatgives floors a glossy shine. 
Fingernail hardeners and polishes were amongthe highest-emitters in the 
category of wet products. Other relatively highemissions came from 
freshly applied interior latex 
paint. Among dry products, certain 
permanent press items, such as shirts,pillow and linens, gave off 
surprisingly high emissions because of thecoatings applied 
to them, says Kelly. These 
products have not been tested as extensively as have pressedwood 
products, particle board, plywood and other construction 
materials,says Kelly. The new study fills the gap 
by determining the rates offormaldehyde fumes emitted from a wide 
spectrum of products used byconsumers and found in typical California 
homes and offices, he says. 
People should be aware of how many different products contain 
thesechemicals because its up to them to minimize their 
exposures, says Kelly. The 
good news, says the chemist, is that many products, such as 
woodproducts, emit lower levels than in the past; the industry has 
adopted somevoluntary standards to bring emissions down. However, the 
Battelle studyfound that the urea-formaldehyde particleboard tested did 
not meet thatstandard.A COMMON 
CHEMICAL Formaldehyde has long been 
regarded as an important industrialchemical, involved in so many 
industries that it is thought to contribute amajor segment of the U.S. 
gross national product, says Bremner. According toindustry figures, 
formaldehyde demand is growing from 9.3 billion pounds to9.6 billion in 
2002. Beyond the uses mentioned, 
formaldehyde is common in

Re: [CTRL] Libertarians: The Cult of Liberty


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In a message dated 1/17/99 11:51:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Is the Libertarians ultimate value really even Liberty?  It seems that
what
   they really seek is selfish gratification of various vices and the
freedom
   to partake in those vices.  This is NOT liberty but rather licentiousness
   and avarice.  This is what happens when freedom is not tempered by virtue
   and a moral standard.

  You got that right.
Liberty is not liberty if defined by those who seek to limit the bahavior of
those who do not harm or take.  THAT is often referred to as not having a life
of one's own.

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[CTRL] U.S. Medical Journal Editor Fired Over Sex Item



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  Friday January 15 1:25 PM ET

  U.S. Medical Journal Editor Fired Over Sex Item

 CHICAGO (Reuters) - The American Medical Association on Friday fired
 the editor of its journal for publishing an item on how college
 students define oral sex, timed to appear in the midst of President
 Clinton's impeachment trial.

 The article, which will run in the Jan. 20 issue of the AMA Journal,
 reported that 60 percent of U.S. college students in a survey taken
  in
 1991 did not define oral sex as sexual relations.

 The AMA said its leadership fired editor George Lundberg, because he
 had inappropriately injected the journal into the Clinton impeachment
 debate, threatening its integrity.

 Clinton's definition of sex is a key issue in the debate over whether
 he lied about his relationship with former intern Monica Lewinsky.

 Lundberg had been editor for 17 years.

 ``Through his recent actions (he) has threatened the historic
 tradition and integrity of the Journal of the American Medical
 Association by inappropriately and inexcusably interjecting (the
 journal) into a major political debate that has nothing to do with
 science or medicine. This is unacceptable,'' said E. Ratcliffe
 Anderson, executive vice president of the medical group.

 ``The AMA has a responsibility to the medical profession, our
  patients
 and to the country to ensure that the editorial decisions of the
 world's most trusted medical journal are based on science and the
 highest standards of the medical profession,'' he added.

 Anderson said that Lundberg had done much over the years to advance
 the stature of the magazine but ``Over time ... I have lost
  confidence
 and trust in Dr. Lundberg's ability to preserve that high level of
 credibility and integrity.''

 The article in question came from the Kinsey Institute for Research
  in
 Sex, Gender and Reproduction, located at Indiana University. It was
 titled ``Would You Say You 'Had Sex' If'' and stated that it was
  being
 published in the context of ``the current debate regarding whether
 oral sex constitutes have 'had sex' or sexual relations ...''

 The survey of 600 U.S. undergraduate students found that 60 percent
 said they would not say they ``had sex'' if it was oral-genital
 contact.

 The Jan. 20 issue of the journal is already in print and had been
 circulated to news organizations.




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Friday January 15 1:25 PM ET

U.S. Medical Journal Editor Fired Over Sex Item

   CHICAGO (Reuters) - The American Medical Association on Friday fired
   the editor of its journal for publishing an item on how college
   students define oral sex, timed to appear in the midst of President
   Clinton's impeachment trial.

   The article, which will run in the Jan. 20 issue of the AMA Journal,
   reported that 60 percent of U.S. college students in a survey taken
in
   1991 did not define oral sex as sexual relations.

   The AMA said its leadership fired editor George Lundberg, because he
   had inappropriately injected the journal into the Clinton impeachment
   debate, threatening its integrity.

   Clinton's definition of sex is a key issue in the debate over whether
   he lied about his relationship with former intern Monica Lewinsky.

   Lundberg had been editor for 17 years.

   ``Through his recent actions (he) has threatened the historic
   tradition and integrity of the Journal of the American Medical
   Association by inappropriately and inexcusably interjecting (the
   journal) into a major political debate that has nothing to do with
   science or medicine. This is unacceptable,'' said E. Ratcliffe
   Anderson, executive vice president of the medical group.

   ``The AMA has a responsibility to the medical profession, our
patients
   and to the country to ensure that the editorial decisions of the
   world's most trusted medical journal are based on science and the
   highest standards of the medical profession,'' he added.

   Anderson said that Lundberg had done much over the years to advance
   the stature of the magazine but ``Over time ... I have lost
confidence
   and trust in Dr. Lundberg's ability to preserve that high level of
   credibility and integrity.''

   The article in question came from the Kinsey Institute for Research
in
   Sex, Gender and Reproduction, located at Indiana University. It was
   titled ``Would You Say You 'Had Sex' If'' and stated that it was
being
   published in the context of ``the current debate regarding whether
   oral sex constitutes have 'had sex' or sexual relations ...''

   The survey of 600 U.S. undergraduate students found that 60 percent
   said they would not say they ``had sex'' if it was oral-genital
   contact.

   The Jan. 20 issue of the journal is already in

[CTRL] Global Distillation





Arctic Frontier
http://www.greenpeace.org/~comms/97/arctic/library/region/toxic.html

This article refers to the amount of fat intake 
possibly delaying the effects of organophosphates. What does that say for 
Americans, our fat is soy, cottonseed, or Canola. Could this mean that if 
one of us were to go Say to the Swiss Alps that we would see effects? How 
about if we were to keep our current diet and live in the Arctic?


Laura
AKA The Pied Piper


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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .


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In a message dated 1/17/99 3:18:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Other
  prints, most recently the digitally enhanced version on the "Image of an
  Assassination" video, show clearly that this is not happening.

I like the phrase 'digitally enhanced.'  At any rate, where can I see this
'digitally enhanced' video or get a copy of it?

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  HOUSEHOLD  NEIGHBORHOOD PREPAREDNESS

  Boulder County, Colorado, provides an excellent example of community
  preparation for Y2K. We present here their story, followed by the
  guidelines developed by Boulder County Y2K Community Preparedness Group
  (BCY2K), which include meeting agendas, a flyer, a speech, and forms you
  may copy and fill out. Thanks to Kathy Garcia and BCY2K for sharing this
  information with all of us.

  --The editors



  What Has Been Accomplished
  in Boulder County
  By Kathy Garcia, Margo King, and John Steiner
  We kicked off our Y2K Community Preparedness campaign with a free
  conference at the University of Colorado, Boulder Campus, from August 20
  through 23, 1998. The conference was cosponsored by the City of Boulder,
  the University of Colorado, and the Cassandra Project. Present at the
  conference were national experts on Y2K, including: Jim Lord, Roleigh
  Martin, Doug Carmichael, Meg Wheatley, Paloma O'Riley, Cathy Moyer,
  Steve Davis and Rabbi Zalman Schachter Shalomi. The conference was
  attended by 700 people from across the United States.

  On Monday, August 24, 1998, we met for the first time with the Multiple
  Agency Coordinating System (MACS), which is led by the Office of
  Emergency Management for Boulder County. Boulder County consists of nine
  cities/towns, each with its own municipal government. Each town has
  representatives on MACS from fire and police departments, along with
  representatives from Red Cross, planning department, risk management,
  University of Colorado, school districts. We now have three citizen
  members sitting on MACS who are working with the community to prepare
  for Y2K or any other disaster that may strike.

  We have had educational Y2K meetings with the following groups:

  1. Growers/farmers: asking for their assistance in encouraging
  individual gardening, harvest, storage, collection of seeds, and
  canning; and assisting farmers on how to get water to irrigate their
  fields.

  2. Religious community: asking for their assistance as possible shelters
  in the neighborhoods where they are located and educating their
  congregations.

  3. Hispanic community leaders: working to get information to local
  Spanish television and radio to educate the Hispanic community in the
  Denver Metro area.

  4. Hospitals: working with Boulder Community Hospital to set up a
  conference to educate medical personnel on Y2K and its impact on
  medications for patients (some HMOs only allow a 30-day supply), and
  inform them on the readiness of the hospital. BCH was also asked to work
  with two other large hospitals in Boulder County to share what they
  learned about their bio-med equipment and software.

  5. Human Service Agencies have been asked to educate their clients about
  Y2K and help them hook up to neighborhood preparedness groups.

  6. Youth from around the county are joining the efforts by becoming
  Certified Emergency Response Team members to help in all disasters, as
  well as assisting to weatherize the homes or trailers of elderly and
  low-income families.

  Some wonderful things have happened here.

  1. The City of Boulder has joined forces with our preparedness group by
  advocating with the university for free office space; holding a joint
  press conference to outline the "community plan" for 1999; allowing us
  to use city stationery to convey information about Y2K meetings
  throughout Boulder County, city FYI line to convey information about Y2K
  meetings.

  2. "How To" meetings have been held throughout the county. (See the
  format description that follows.)

  3. A town meeting was held on October 4 that included representatives
  from Public Service (utilities), US West (telephone), City of Boulder,
  Office of Emergency Management, The Cassandra Project, and Boulder
  Community Hospital. The meeting was attended by more than 400 people who
  applauded when Chief Stern of the OEM told people they needed to
  individually prepare and then prepare their neighborhoods. Somehow folks
  were waiting for permission to act. The biggest message sent by the
  citizens was "I want the truth" not "everything will be okay" or "we are
  handling it." Future town meetings will be held every other month.

  4. A rhythm of meetings in each municipality is now in place, from
  orientation (what is Y2K), to a neighborhood congress (how to conduct
  meetings), to open meetings (task forces present information to
  community on food preparedness, companies selling products, and so
  forth), to community coordinator meetings (coordinators for each
  municipality get together to fill each other in on what is going on,
  support needed, and idea sharing).

  5. We have cooperation from our daily newspaper as well as our weekly
  paper; not sensationalized stories but ones

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

1999-01-17 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote:
In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is
shown and NOT the broader view.  Only once have I seen this film outside the
mainstream media and here the whole view was visible.  Incidentally, from what
I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this
are no longer alive.

No, there were a couple of people across the street who had a direct line
of site, a father with his son, and a woman and her girlfriend...all are
still alive and were interviewed in a recent JFK assassination
documentary...

The father, quite understandably, thru his son to the ground on first
hearing the shots, and placed himself over his son's body to protect the
kid...so other than the initial shot, he didn't SEE much of anything
else...but he DID testify to a bullet or bullets hitting the curb by him,
which throws the whole Warren Commission scenario out the window...

The woman with her friend happened to have a movie camera, and so a
SECOND film of the assassination exists (or did, at one time), and
showing it from the opposite point of view than Zapruder's...but good
citizen that she was, she called the FBI immediately and allowed them to
take her camera with the film still inside...a few days later, they
returned her camera, sans film...and that, as they say, was that...

But even tho that film has taken a powder, she and her friend were still
watching, and didn't mention seeing the driver shoot Kennedy...


secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be making
a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
back in it.

Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account,
she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion
of her husband's brain, and stated that the thought of getting out of the
limo never entered her mind...

The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the
limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull,
ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume
Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it...


Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
fact that the shots were all being directed at it?

Why not?  What was she supposed to do, jump out onto the street and
become a STANDING target?


Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
calling and attempts at discrediting.

No need for all that.

While I admit that there's a big question as to why the limo driver seems
to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses
out of there, THAT is as far as I will go in granting the driver may have
been part of the conspiracy...I feel there were enough professional
assassins in the crowd, they didn't need the driver to blatantly shoot
JFK in the open like that...

Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the
Connallys notice it?


I challenge all to tell me why I shouldn't report this here.

'Report' away...it DOES fall under the auspices of 'conspiracy
research'...just be prepared to take your lumps, when others challenge
your conclusions...


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[CTRL] EIR Talks Special: Eurasian Landbridge New Hope VS New Dark AGE (fwd)

1999-01-17 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:57:58 -0500
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Subject: EIR Talks Special: Eurasian Landbridge New Hope VS New Dark AGE

MODERATOR: DENNIS SMALL
GUESTS VIA VIDEOTAPE: HELGA ZEPP LAROUCHE
JOSE LOPEZ PORTILLO, FORMER PRESIDENT OF MEXICO, SENIOR
STATESMAN
LYNDON LAROUCHE, ECONOMIST AND STATESMAN

   Eurasian Land-Bridge: New Hope vs. a New Dark Age

MODERATOR:  Welcome to "EIR Talks" for Jan. 14, 1999. This
show will consist of excerpts from the upcoming EIR videoreport
entitled "The Eurasian Land-Bridge: New Hope vs. a New Dark
Age."  Your host for this show will be {Executive Intelligence
Review} Ibero-American editor, Dennis Small.  He will present
speeches by Helga Zepp LaRouche, Lyndon LaRouche, and former
Mexican President Jose Lopez Portillo.

DENNIS SMALL: 1998 was the year in which the international
financial crisis exploded on the world scene in a visible
fashion. Country after country, from Indonesia to South Korea,
Russia to Brazil, the international financial system went into a
major world crisis. It happened in a way and with the timing, and
in a fashion that had been forecast for decades by the leading
American economist and statesman, Lyndon LaRouche.
Now, as we enter 1999, in this year, that international
financial crisis is going to crash like a tidal wave over the
United States itself, and over Europe. But this is not only a
financial crisis or an economic crisis. This is a civilizational
crisis. This is a crisis in which the values, the moral
questions, the financial issues, the political institutions, are
all being swept aside by this tidal wave.
Humanity is poised at the edge of an abyss. And over that
abyss, is a New Dark Age, like that of the Fourteenth Century,
when half of humanity disappeared. That will be the future of
humanity, unless -- and that "unless" is the topic of this
videoreport today.
There is an alternative to this New Dark Age, and to this
international financial crisis. It is an alternative that is
being put together under the leadership of China, with other
nations such as Russia, India, and nations of Asia such as
Malaysia participating as well.
It is an alliance of sovereign nation-states that are saying
"no" to speculation, "no" to globalization, "no" to
British-sponsored free trade, and are instead rebuilding their
economies in a sovereign fashion around productivity, around
investment in technology and science, and most significantly,
around a global infrastructure project which is called the
Eurasian Land-Bridge.
The Eurasian Land-Bridge is not just an idea, it is being
built today. And it is a project which must be joined by the
United States and by other nations of the world, if we are to
avoid a plunge into a New Dark Age.
That political fight, to build a coalition of forces, an
alliance internationally, to build the Eurasian Land-Bridge, has
been prominently promoted internationally by Lyndon and Helga
LaRouche. In country after country, continent after continent,
through their direct travels and activities, they have been
building the coalition of forces that is necessary to put an end
to the British oligarchical speculative system.
For example, in April 1996, the LaRouches travelled to
Russia, where they presented these ideas of the Land-Bridge, and
the underlying economic policy issues that must be behind such a
great infrastructure project to leading economic policies
thinkers in Russia -- policy thinkers who today, are playing a
prominent role around the Primakov government of Russia.
More recently, in November 1998, Helga Zepp LaRouche was
invited by the government of China to participate in an
international conference on the Eurasian Land-Bridge, which was
held in four cities in that country. Then, in December 1998, she
travelled to Mexico to report on these breakthrough developments
to audiences in that country, and to broaden the alliance of
forces to include emphatically the United States and its close
neighbors such as Mexico, around the concept of the Eurasian
Land-Bridge.
In many of these countries, from Russia to China to Mexico
to Brazil, increasing numbers of political forces of influence
are calling on the world and on U.S. President Bill Clinton in
particular, to listen to the wise words of Lyndon LaRouche, in
order to get out of this financial crisis.
Mrs. LaRouche reported on the matter in the following
fashion to one of her many audiences in Mexico in December of
1998.

(Helga Zepp LaRouche on videotape, in Mexico, 1998)

HELGA ZEPP LAROUCHE: It is extremely important that I report
to you about an alternative which is shaping up. While on the one
side, there is a grave danger that civilization is plunging into
a

Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.

1999-01-17 Thread Jim Norman


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Barb Witt wrote:

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 At 09:34 PM 1/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
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 "M.A. Johnson" wrote:
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would estimate that of over 50% of all consumer manufactured
 goods are coming from Communist China.  Why? Well, because the
 capitalist built their latest and best manufacturing plants
 there? Why? Cheap Labour. Huge Market.
 
  MJ:
  How long has labor been cheap abroad?  Why is it only in recent
  years we have had a (purported) mass exodus?  Could it be the
  regulatory load which has escalated over the past recent years?
 
  Regard$,
  --MJ
 
 What do you mean " purported?" Where is America's manufacturing base?
 Did it disappear down a rabbit hole? There's nothing purported about
 American corporations leaving in droves. This is bullshit on your
 part and you know it. You take a foolish position, you have to defend
 it by flinging bovine droppings and red herrings.
 
 American companies had been buying their way out of regulations more
 and more in the years before leaving these shores for foreign labor.
 As a matter of fact, they got tax breaks for doing it. This could only
 happen because they got more complete control of Congress.
 
 American corporations are owned by the Rich and their managerial sub-
 class. These two groups have a long history of theft, violence, crime,
 and treason against the citizens, workers, and country of the USA.
 
 Only a twisted Libertarian would blame regulations as the reason for
 industrial flight. Everyone with any sense at all knows it's for
 profit. Workers and nation be damned.
 
 Joshua2
 
 From Jim Norman: May I add the government in many cases subsidise and assist in
 the movements.  In Florida, the Lazard (sp?) Brothers and the Duda Brothers were
 assisted in moving their agriculture production to Mexico.  The government
 arranged the purchase of their respective properties in south Florida,
 interfaced with the Mexican authorities in arranging suitable authorizations and
 properties in Mexico, and assisted with the expense of moving.

Jim Norman





  The policy of the American government is to leave their
  citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in
  their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson to M. L'Hommande, 1787.

 Two pertinent articles (The Global Hand and Technology Hoax), from the
 April 21, 1997 edition of Forbes:

 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0421/5908085a.htm

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

1999-01-17 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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Perhaps, as others have pointed out, to preserve their 'dignity' (not
showing innattentiveness).  Has anyone asked C-SPAN?

Another point:  If Harkin's objection was 'sustained' (Barr referring to
Senators as "jurors"), would it then be allowed for Barr to go outside and,
in repsonse to CNN's questions, again refer to the Senators as "jurors" ?
(Which he did.)



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: Why can't C-Span's camera show the Senators? When Sen. Tom Harkin
: made his objection to the senators being called "jurors," the
: camera was allowed to show us Harkin. But ordinarily the camera
: is not allowed to show us views of the assembled senators. The
: reasoning behind the disallowal of camera's viewing of senators
: can't be based on the senators being "jurors" (as Harkin made
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Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.


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In a message dated 1/16/99 3:07:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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  I hear that  David Duke--the Grand Old Wizard--will be running for
Congress,

   I would point out that  under the Democratic/liberal definition of morality
 David Duke would be considered a  moral man as long as he was true to
 political issues.
 Did you see the news report about the 47 Democrats who were card carrying
 members of the alleged white supremist group that the liberals excoriated
 Trent Lott about?  Interestingly no liberals/Democrats have stepped forward
to
 denounce those 47. 

You're right.  They're all a bunch of bums.  I'm sure that most of those 47
Dems are the blue dogs from the South.  Some may already be on the Rep list.
It's amazing how quick the news is ready to report about this business when
they're trying to make Lott look good, and how Clinton is the only adulterer
who ever set foot in Washington.  Oh well.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Subliminal Techniques?

1999-01-17 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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The military is in a recruiting bind right now for one thing.  It goes
along the lines of 'advertising'.  Perhaps you've recently keyed in on this
but I also notice there's been a LOT of military movies throughout the
years:  the Rambos, even Forrest Gump, and now Saving Private Ryan and the
Thin Red Line.  On TV, we've Major Dad, JAG, and a few others.  Of course
my list is not exhaustive but the influence has been there.  Of course, a
'real' war like Iraq or Iraq2 is hard to beat.

Now:  how many anti-militaristic movies can we count?



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: Has anyone else noticed lately that there is a lot of Military
: Commercials.
: More than the usual Army, Navy, Marines etc. Commercials. Since I listen
: to AM radio a lot I have heard many many commercials featuring the Army,
: Navy, Marines and even the Selective Services. At first you may be
: thinking, "So what?" but it was not like this a year ago. And I see
: posters for the military on billboards, posters at stores, and other
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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?


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 What I read was that the guy was fired not for publishing the study, but
 deliberately pushing up it's scheduled publication date to coincide with
 the impeachment hearings...apparantly it was originally scheduled to
 appear in the Journal a few months from now...and the AMA quite correctly
 deemed the editorial decision to publish earlier an inapproprate decision
 based solely on politics, and not the science (or supposed science) of
 the study. 


Well, I think this is called merchandising.  The matter would certainly be of
more interest right now.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] New Light Shed On Rehnquist's Robes


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 In  1994, according to, reportedly, a National Public Radio (NPR)
 broadcast, Rehnquist had been  in attendance during a performance
 of the Gilbert  Sullivan operetta, "Iolanthe."  Afterwards, "the
 Chief  Justice  had  the  gold-striped  Lord  Chancellor's   robe
 copied."  [Reportedly from NPR, 1/12/99.]

 According to one CTRL  researcher,  "Rehnquist's  imperial  robes
 initially  caused  a  stir  when  he  showed up in his stripes at
 Clinton's 1995 State of  the  Union Address, which was televised.
 There is also a Time article in the 2/6/95 issue which references
 Rehnquist's getup." 

I guess we should be glad he likes Gilbert  Sullivan.  I mean just think if
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[CTRL] DEA Assassins Hit Viet Vet Rad/ Inside the CIA's Miami Training Camps


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an excerpt from:
Blacklisted News, Secret History . . . From Chicago, '68, to 1984
©1983 Youth International Party Information Service
Bleecker Publishing
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ISBN 0-912873-00-0
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Old news, but the cryptocracys' tactics don't change much.
Om
K
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If they really wanted to get you, all the denials by DEA officials that
domestically they were engaged in the equivalent of CIA assassinations of
foreign leaders or revolutionaries would do you little good . . .

DEA Assassins Hit Viet Vet Rad

Scott Camil was shot in the back by a federal Drug Enforcement Administration
assassin named Dennis Fitzgerald"accidentally," according to agents
Fitzgerald and William Porter, whose car he was struggling to get out of at
the time,

Porter and Fitzgerald, posing as coke dealers starting a straight business
front, had first approached Camil to buy some business cards from his family
office supply company.

Because Camil lived, it became necessary to charge him with "sale of
cocaine"2.5 ounces allegedly left with Camil by a mysteriously unidentified
hitch-hiker whom agents claim to have let leave the car unscathed before the
shooting. Other agents "found" $2300 after hanging around Camil's house for 5
hours.

It was not the first time he was targeted by the government. Camil served 20
months with the marines in Vietnam and came home thoroughly disillusioned with
U.S. policy. One of the original coordinators of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War, he was a target in Florida when 8 vets were indicted in July of '72 for
plotting to assault the 1972 Republican convention with slingshots and bows
and arrows. These charges were finally thrown out of court.

After checking out this interview Scott allowed that, while there's nothing
he'd rather leave unsaid, we should make it clear that our interviewer took
the initiative in drawing out details of the historical development of the
VVAW.

He's very guarded in meeting and talking to people now. D.E.A. informer
Barbara Bastile Ives, paid by the government to fuck Camil, said "Yeah, we set
him up. That's our job."

ON HIS BUST

Q. What do you think of the parallel of your case and Tim Leary's: DEA use of
a government prostitute?

A. It makes it really hard-it really does. I mean, you meet someone, they seem
really nice. You become close to them, and they start spending weekends with
you. Then they introduce you to a "close friend," the dude shoots you, and
they turn out to be an agent.

She made a statement to the press it was a set-up; that this was her job. She
was assigned to come up here from Orlando and go out with me. Basically what
it comes down to is that she deceived me, and she was being paid by the
government to sleep with me.

That's the first time they ever pulled that one on me.

Q. Is it true that after the Gainsville Eight trial the federal prosecutor
came up to you and said, "We're going to get you yet!"?

A. No. He said it in front of a taxicab driver who took him to the airport.
The cabbie came back to us and told us he said "We're still going to get Camil
and two others."

Q. What happened to you personally after the trial?

A. I started working on a book on the Gainesville 8 trial and the other trials
I had during that time.

I was still speaking, but I limited my speaking to the Gainesville 8 case, the
abuse of force by the government, universal amnesty. (I prefer to call it
repatriation), and the JFK assassination, on which I've read just about
everything written.

I keep in active contact with the Assassination Information Bureau in
Massachussetts. There's no doubt in my mind that the government killed the
President.

Q. Ever seen the pix of E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis in Dallas?

A.. I believe they were involved because I believe Connally was involved, I
believe Nixon was involved, I believe Gerald Ford was involved, and that those
people were all connected together-and I couldn't swear under oath those
pictures were them, but I do believe those pictures are them.

Now concerning current events, here you have Colby, who was head of the
Phoenix Operation in Nam. Now he's head of the CIA, and what do you get? A
whole bunch of supposed refugees, of whom I'm sure a good percentage are
Project Phoenix assassins. And they owe their allegiance not to the American
government or the American people, but to the CIA. I could see the next
Watergaters not being Cubans, but Vietnamese. Now they've got someone to do
their dirty work who's had plenty of practice.

Q. What made the government so upset that they did this number on you?

A. I don't know if it was something I was doing then, or if it was something I
had done before and maybe had the potential to do again. I feel the main
objective was to stop the book, and that feeling is based on the fact that
while agents Dennis Fitzgerald and William Porter were shooting me in the
street, other agents were raiding my house with a search warrant that called

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Red Alert
January 18, 1999

Brazil's Message: Forget the Global, Think Local

Summary:

* The decision to float Brazil's real triggered widespread fears
that another phase in a global economic crisis is about to begin.
Having passed through rounds of the Asian and Russian crises,
there is a sense that Brazil's devaluation is part of a greater
threat to the international economic system. We do not see this
as a global problem, but rather as a series of regional problems.
By devaluing, Brazil is clearing the decks of an essentially
healthy economy. With this finally out of the way, the long-term
investment atmosphere in Brazil actually improves.  We not only
remain bullish on Latin America, but also are increasingly
convinced that to understand international economics forget the
global, think local.


Analysis:

The Brazilian decision to float the real shocked financial
markets around the world on Wednesday, triggering fears that
another round in the global crisis is about to begin.  There was
a sudden sense that the resilience the world economy had shown
since the summer might have been illusory, and that a cancer in
the global economy was still gnawing away at its innards.  For a
moment, it seemed that a legitimate panic was setting in.  By
Friday, a very different sensibility was in place.  The real had
fallen about 15 percent, which was not inconsiderable, but did
not represent a catastrophic implosion.  The Sao Paolo stock
market rose 33 percent in one day's trading, while most of the
world's markets, save some in Asia, also surged.  In a matter of
days, the world went from panic to confidence, with emotions
cycling as rapidly as markets.

The week's events were fascinating not only because of what they
told us about the resilience of the Brazilian economy in
particular and Latin American economies in general, but because
of what they told us about the global economy.  To be more
precise, the events in Brazil are telling us that we are not
living in a world of global economies that are of one fabric, but
of geographically differentiated, highly fragmented economies.
Put another way, it is not a small world after all and CNN has
not created a global village.  It is a very large and complex
world, and events in one part of the world may have very little
effect on things happening in other parts.

One of the foundations of the great fear of a global economic
meltdown is the feeling that the world economy is of a single
fabric and that whatever happens in one place immediately effects
things happening in other places.  This sense of global
vulnerability has created a psychology constantly on the verge of
panic.  Since at any moment something bad is happening somewhere
in the world, the global sensibility immediately generates a
sense of global vulnerability.  Thus, Brazil's problems (or
Russia's or Japan's or China's) are immediately seen as a
harbinger of global disaster.  There is a sense that there is an
intractable, global problem that simply cannot be solved and that
this represents a fundamental threat to the international
economic system. The proof: something is always going wrong
somewhere.

Now, in a peculiar contrarian sense, this is all to the good.
The hysteria of the month helps to deflate markets periodically
and keeps investors on their toes.  For this reason, we hesitate
to debunk it, especially since it provides excellent buying
opportunities.  However, there is, strictly speaking, no global
financial problem. Rather, there are a series of regional
problems, which, while they do influence each other, do not flow
from the same cause, cannot be solved by any single means, and do
not affect each other nearly as much as people believe.  Things
may well be terrible in some parts of the world, but that does
not mean that the world as a whole is on the brink of
catastrophe.

There are three regional crises:

* Asia: a crisis developing over the long-term, rooted in public
policies deliberately designed to prevent recessions, that has
permitted massive, systemic inefficiency and unacceptably low
rates of return on capital to undermine the long-term viability
of the region's economies.  The problem is particularly severe in
Japan, which is among the few major markets to have declined
since September.  Japan's problems are deep, intractable and
probably insoluble without a political smash-up.  Nevertheless,
Japan and Asia's problems have had minimal impact on the U.S. and
Europe until now, and we see no reason why it should have a
greater effect in 1999 than it did in previous years.

* Russia: the inability of the Russian and other economies of the
former Soviet Union to convert from a command to a market
economy. Essentially, the cost of re-capitalizing

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BREAD AND CIRCUSES * - Part 2

EUROPEAN MONETARY UNION
January 1, 1999, barely a month away, is euro day. We have insisted for the
last two years that the euro was so important to the international
socialist agenda that nothing would be allowed to stand in its way-not the
crash of Asian markets, the collapse of hedge funds, the failure of the
Russian banks, or the threat of impeachment of Bill Clinton. Consequently,
it was necessary for the Fed to pump huge amounts of liquidity into the US
market, all the while relying on administration "massaging" of economic
statistics to pretend that inflation was non-existent, while huge bailouts
were arranged to keep the global markets afloat a little longer.

The whole idea of the euro is to create a currency monopoly in Europe.
Without competing strong currencies, like the D-mark, EC bankers can
inflate at will without the embarrassment of declining foreign exchanges
rates-indeed, Continental foreign markets will simply be obsoleted by the
fixed exchange rates of national currencies with the euro at the beginning
of the year.

But, in ordering a fascist Europe (state directed private economic
activity), the socialist super-bureaucrats are faced with an immense
task-they must come to terms with rampant unemployment, for failure to do
so could surely trigger the early demise of European Monetary Union. But,
by extending thousands of new regulations on business, Brussels has thus
guaranteed both higher unemployment and the ultimate economic failure of
EMU. If there is anything that will save Europe from depression it must be
the abandonment of state strangleholds on business. All of this is further
complicated by the compulsion to admit former Soviet Bloc states into the
common market. Already, those states which had hoped to benefit from the
levelling process are being told that they must forego many of the economic
benefits of EC in order that funds may flow to their poorer neighbors in
the East. This is certain to fire resentment in Italy, Spain, Portugal,
Greece, and Ireland, whose support for EMU was based on their becoming the
primary beneficiaries thereof.

Make no mistake-EMU will be broadened to include the "former" communist
states in Europe because the underlying purpose of the whole scheme, while
couched in economic terms, is political-that is to say, it intends the
dominaton of nations and populations.

Meanwhile, Tony Blair, New Labour prime minister of Britain, is busily
dismantling the traditional English way of life by attacking the very
fundamentals of national sovereignty. On his hit list are the House of
Lords (and ultimately the Monarchy), the pensions of widows, the rights of
those on state aid to engage a lawyer, revisions to the National Health
Service and the pitifully few tax breaks for business which had contributed
to the rise of the economy and the restoration of English competitiveness
in Europe.

THE IMPACT ON AMERICA
While Americans rightfully worry about the impact on the dollar once the
euro arrives, the larger and more immediate question which no one seems to
be addressing is this: once the euro is a fait accompli, will the Fed
withdraw its intervention in the market, allowing the long overdue collapse
of our financial bubble to take place?

Consequently, our urgent message to readers is this: After January 1, 1999,
the risk of equity holdings, both in the United States and abroad, is
greatly increased-the prudent course of action being, as we have constantly
counseled, to sell at least 50% of equity positions by the first of the
year.

As for our foreign currency holders, since Brussels will fix the exchange
rates between the eleven EMU currencies with the euro on December 31, 1998,
you have less than one month to convert EMU currencies to non-EMU
currencies, particularly those longer term assets which could suffer most
by being denominated in euros, such as bonds, annuities, endowments, etc.

There is urgent reason to accomplish these prudent measures now. When the
"bread" runs out, the "circuses" will become deadly.

(conclusion)
  ___

* From THE HARD MONEY INVESTOR, December 1998 issue, Hal Bryan, Editor
   Published monthly: $39/yr   PO Box 11, Enumclaw, WA  98022
   Mr Bryan is an associate of Committee to Restore the Constitution
__

STATE LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION TO 'BOOM AND BUST' ECONOMY

In the present climate of economic emergency it appears that the greatest
stumbling block to acceptance of necessary data for financial survival, and
the conclusions which must be reached by the individual, is the feeling of
'unreality' which the truth holds for the very people who seek it.

The impending economic/political disaster is permitted its fantastic rate
of growth through no other factor as much as incredulity masked as apathy.
The resulting inaction of the people is

Re: [CTRL] Dear Congressman Hyde


 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/17/99 9:29:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 you. It is important to believe the president because he is a important
 person. If you cannot believe the president
 who can you believe? If you have no one to believe in then how do you
 run your life? I do not believe the president
 tells the truth anymore right now. After he writes the essay and tells
 the truth I will believe him again. William
 Summers.

 Congressman Hyde: Then there's a "ps" from his dad.

 Dear Representative Hyde, I made my son, William, either write you a
 letter or an essay as a punishment for lying.
 Part of his defense for his lying was that the president lied. He's
 still having difficulty understanding why the
 president can lie and not be punished. 

Gee, and did Daddy perhaps discuss Mr. Hyde writing a few thousand times
something like.  "Adultery is a sin, and I'm sorry I broke up a family"?
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Pinochet: 01-16

1999-01-17 Thread Alamaine Ratliff


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Here's a quick and dirty on the Brit Gov't.  Note this:  ""She is impartial
and acts only on the advice of her ministers.""


From http://www.britannia.com/gov/gov4.html

THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT:
A Brief Overview
Information courtesy of The British Information Services


The System of Government
Britain is a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch, Queen
Elizabeth II, as head of the State. The British constitution, unlike those
of most countries, is not set out in a single document. Instead it is made
up of a combination of laws and practices which are not legally
enforceable, but which are regarded as vital to the working of government.

The Monarchy
The stablility of the British government owes much to the monarchy. Its
continuity has been interrupted only once (the republic of 1649-60) in over
a thousand years.

Today the Queen is not only the head of State, but also an important symbol
of national unity. Her complete official royal title is 'Elizabeth the
Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith', but she is usually referred to as Her
Royal Highness or Queen Elizabeth.

PictureAccording to the law the Queen is head of the executive branch of
the government, an integral part of the legislature, head of the judiciary,
the commander-in-chief of all the armed forces of the Crown and the
'supreme governor' of the established Church of England. While that sounds
like a lot of responsibility, the real power of the monarchy has been
steadily reduced over the years to the point where the Queen is uninvolved
in the day-to-day operation of the government. She is impartial and acts
only on the advice of her ministers.

The Queen, the Queen Mother, Prince Charles and the other members of the
royal family take part in traditional ceremonies, visit different parts of
Britain and many other countries and are closely involved in the work of
many charities.

Parliament
Parliament, Britain's legislature, is made up of the House of Commons, the
House of Lords and the Queen in her constitutional role.

The Commons has 651 elected Members of Parliament (MPs), who represent
local constituencies. The House of Lords is made up of 1,185 hereditary and
life peers and peeresses, and the two archbishops and the 24 most senior
bishops of the established Church of England.

The center of parliamentary power is the House of Commons. Limitations on
the power of the Lords (it rarely uses it power to delay passage of most
laws for a year) is based on the principle that the Lords, as a revising
chamber, should complement the Commons and not rival it. Once passed
through both Houses, legislation requires the Royal Assent to become law.

Parliament has a number of ways to exert control over the executive branch.
Parliamentary committees question ministers and civil servants before
preparing reports on matters of public policy and issues can be debated
before decisions are reached. However, ultimate power rests in the ability
of the House of Commons to force the government to resign by passing a
resolution of 'no confidence'. The government must also resign if the House
rejects a proposal so vital to its policy that it has made it a matter of
confidence. The proceedings of both Houses of Parliament are broadcast on
television and radio, sometimes live or more usually in recorded and edited
form.

General elections to choose MPs must be held at least every five years.
Voting, which is not compulsory, is by secret ballot and is from the age of
18. The simple majority system of voting is used. Candidates are elected if
they have more votes than any of the other candidates, although not
necessarily an absolute majority over all candidates.

Political Party System
The political party system is essential to the working of the constitution.
Although the parties are not registered or formally recognized in law, most
candidates for election belong to one of the main parties. Since 1945 eight
general elections have been won by the Conservative Party and six by the
Labour Party. A number of smaller parties have national and local
organizations outside Parliament, and are also represented in local
government.

The Government is formed by the party with majority support in the Commons.
The Queen appoints its leader as Prime Minister. As head of the Government
the Prime Minister appoints about 100 ministers. About 20 ministers make up
the Cabinet, the senior group making the major policy decisions. Ministers
are collectively responsible for government decisions and individually
responsible for their own departments. The second largest party forms the
official Opposition, with its own leader and 'shadow cabinet'. The
Opposition has a duty to challenge government policies and to present an
alternative program.

Policies are carried out by government departments and executive agencies

Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

1999-01-17 Thread Jim Norman


 -Caveat Lector-

Agent Smiley wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 1/17/99 10:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

  I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone
  seeing
   him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
   Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN
 
 In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is
 shown and NOT the broader view.  Only once have I seen this film outside the
 mainstream media and here the whole view was visible.  Incidentally, from what
 I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this
 are no longer alive.

 The gun rested on the driver's shoulder and at the fatal moment, it was only
 slightly lifted and aimed.  A second or two prior to this, the secret service
 agent that sat in the passenger seat is seen to look calmly back at the
 president, who had already been shot once, and calmly turn back around
 speaking something to the driver.  Within a second, the driver lifts his gun
 from his right shoulder, where it had been held by his left hand while his
 left arm lay cross ways across his chest.  There was very little movement on
 his part.  When the president is being shot at, anyone looking for any sense
 of what in the hell is going on would be searching the crowd for a gunman or
 looking at the president to see if he is alright.  They are unlikely to notice
 the DRIVER lifting his hand about four inches.  In this version of the film, a
 cloud of gas is seen being expelled from the barrel of the gun and at that
 exact instant Kennedy's face is removed from his head.

 I suspect that when the agent in the passenger seat was speaking to the driver
 that he was giving the location of the president's head in relation to the
 driver.  Isn't it interesting that during the whole shooting spree, the driver
 never thought to push the pedal to the metal and get the hell out of there.
 Even without this key view that I speak of, it is obvious that all of the
 secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be making
 a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
 back in it.  Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
 fact that the shots were all being directed at it?  It could be, IF the secret
 service already knew that the job had been completed.

 Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
 calling and attempts at discrediting.  I challenge all to tell me why I
 shouldn't report this here.  Incidentally, I backed this video up and
 forwarded it enough times to witness this about forty times.  Some time ago,
 someone sent me to a website that was supposed to let me know what really
 happened in response to an allusion that the driver was complicit and a
 murderer, a political assassin.  At this site, I saw an image of the very
 situation I here describe and I saw the gun.  Apparently, the photo was not
 intended.  I reported to the webmaster that that very photo contradicted his
 take on it and now the website no longer exists.  smile


Jim Norman:  Within hours of the reported shooting of Kennedy, a retired Naval
Intelligence officer, Nord Davis Jr. of Compton, S.C. flew to Dallas and began
retrieving evidence.  In a un-retouched photo (the copy of same that appeared in
Life was airbrushed according to Mr. Davis)
he clearly outlined a additional shooter, dressed in a black or dark knee length
coat, wearing a business man's hat.  He stood there with his hand outstretched in
a shooting position.  He is, in Mr. Davis's opinion, responsible for the shooting
death of the woman who walked in his line of fire and who's blood was sprayed on
the limousine's left side escort motorcycle officers, left side.  The significance
of the officer receiving blood splatters on his left side is that the only place
it could have come from is from the sidewalk area to the left of the limo.
Additionally, the right rear escort was killed with a series of shots to the head
and chest.  If you consider that the sidewalk shooter did fire at the limo, his
direct line of fire would explain this evidence.
In the Grand jury testimony, each witness described the shots NOT as a single
report as a bolt action rifle would give, but a multiple report sound similar to a
machine gun, or machine pistol.  when asked to describe the sound most witnesses
said "dat-dat-dat-dat-dat" or "da-da-da-daow"

When questioned as to whether this was an echo from the surrounding buildings,
each witness said no, the echo's came latter.
Mr. Davis produced a publication with not to clear photographs, but the man in the
knee length coat was clearly visible, as was the woman lying dead on the side
walk.  If you look at the life magazine front page, the woman is gone, except for
her pocket book that appears to be suspended in the air or on the sidewalk.  If
you wish, I will transcribe

[CTRL] Odds Ends Year 2000


 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3/A
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola
-
Odds  Ends  Year 2000

by Zola


Laissez Faire City TimesAsian correspondent, Richard Ehrlich, has taken
time off to act as a media consultant to Leonardo DiCaprio, who is
making a movie The Beach in Thailand. We couldn't think of a better
choice, given Richard's command of the language and the local scene. But
luckily he still had time to send us an article about an unusual shrine
on the grounds of the Hilton Hotel in Bangkok. As for Leonardo DiCaprio,
his most recent role was in the Titantic, a movie parable about the
unsinkable U.S. stock market.

The Dow went up on Friday by almost as many points as it went down on
Thursday, but on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday the Dow sank also. It
was helped along by a little foreign exchange crisis in Brazil, where
the real sank against the dollar by about 10 percent. The Brazilian
stock market, the Bovespa, fell 5.05 percent this past Wednesday, and
9.97 percent on Thursday.



We decided to sit tight on our put. We might have sold it if Friday had
been a down day also, but it wasnt. Some readers were warning us to get
out, because Clinton is going to announce a bribe to Wall Street in his
State of the Union speech on Tuesday. "Washington, Jan. 13 (Bloomberg)
-- President Bill Clinton may use next week's State of the Union address
to suggest expanding 401(k) programs for low-income workers and to lay
the groundwork for investing a small portion of the Social Security
trust fund in financial markets, two White House aides close to the
discussions said."



Who knows if Wall Street will take the baitwe already know they cant
calculate. But low-income workers contributing to 401(k) programs isnt
going to generate much cash. As for investing the Social Security trust
fund in the stock marketwhat a joke! There isnt any trust fund! Social
Security is a pay-as-you-go system, and there is temporarily a cash flow
surplus on a year-to-year basis (i.e. money coming in this year is
bigger than money going out). Were not talking about a lot of surplus
cash in the first place, so a "small portion" of it funneled to Wall
Street wont go far.



But the Dow will probably rally just from the sight of Clinton appearing
on TV. Clinton is Wall Streets symbol of reality denial. But well take
our chances, even though we have no doubt that Clinton will, as usual,
treat government revenue as his personal piggy bank. Hes also getting
ready to wag the dog again, treating the U.S. military as an adjunct to
his personal defense team. But all the anti-Impeachment bribes Clinton
has to offer cant cover all the accidents waiting to happen to
financial markets. Our time horizon is March 18, not tomorrow.


Millennial Calculations




Speaking of dates, its annoying enough when people cant get the end of
the century or the end of the millennium right. The Twentieth Century
ends on Dec. 31, 2000. The Twenty-First Century begins on Jan. 1, 2001.
The Third Millennium, according to the Gregorian calendar, also begins
on Jan. 1, 2001. The Third Millennium ends on Dec. 31, 3000. The latter
date will also be the last day of the Thirtieth Century.



But its more disturbing when people confuse the Y2K problem with
Gregorian date calculations, and then compound this with totally
irrelevant allusions to the year Jesus was born. The latest inanity
along this line I came across said, in effect, "the millennium really
began on Jan. 1, 1995, because Jesus was born 4 B.C." Assuming the
statement has any meaning whatsoever, the calculation is off by a good 2
years, and realistically by 2   years.



Lets sort through this nonsense. I first went through these types of
calculations long ago in theology class. But its not a matter of
theology, its a matter of simple arithmetic. Dagny Deb in her excellent
article on calendars vs. computer time, Year 2000: What is Time?,
already covered the basics. But let me take a stab at it also.



It is not surprising that many associate the Y2K problem with
apocalyptic prophecy. After all, we have those in the money-making
Apocalypse Business like Gary North (see Declan McCullaghs There's
Something About Gary) who once assured us that there would be a nuclear
war with Russia, and then that we would run out of hospital beds by 1992
because of AIDS. He now parades Y2K as the latest gimmick to market his
survival tools, and given his previous history its no wonder people
associate Y2K with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. But hes not the
only culprit: in England, a number of ministers are interpreting Y2K as
Gods punishment. (For electing fascist Tony Blair, presumably.)



Lets get some things straight. "Millennium" simply means a 1000 years.
Thats all. You can start a millennium any day you

[CTRL] The End of Laissez Faire?


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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3/A
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola
-
The End of Laissez Faire?

by Wolf DeVoon


Last September, as global financial markets were crashing, the economics
editor of The London Times, Anatole Kaletsky, noted with approval the
soothing words of Alan Greenspan, which created a temporary stock market
rally. "[C]apitalism can prosper only with the support of sound
government," Kaletsky declared, and went on to say that capitalism would
survive global crisis, but "free-market fundamentalism won't" (Anatole
Kaletsky, "Farewell Laisser-faire," The Sunday Times, Sept. 10, 1998).

Now first let me note that Anatole Kaletsky is a sober, well-informed,
intelligent man. I've often admired his ability to brush aside all the
transparent hoopla of governments and brokers, identifying long-term
trends and economic principles that matter most. His writing style is
crisp and lucid. I wish there were more editorial page writers with
Kaletsky's commitment to reason, clarity, courage and objectivity. In
truth, I envy the man. He richly deserves the position of privilege and
public trust conferred by The London Times. On those many occasions when
I've said that better minds should do the work of defending human
rights, it was Anatole Kaletsky's class of cranium I specifically hoped
to invoke as the powerful champion I know I am not.

All that said, when Kaletsky is wrong, he is terrifyingly wrong.

Analyzing the uptick in global share prices immediately after Alan
Greenspan's evasive, carefully-worded intimation that the Federal
Reserve would inject additional liquidity this year, Kaletsky argued
that the Wall Street response to Greenspan's hint of lower interest
rates and easy money "implies a recognition that capitalism can prosper
only with the support of sound government -- that political institutions
have a legitimate and indispensable role in managing the capitalist
system."

Bloody hell. With friends like that, markets need no gravedigger.
Whether he came to praise capitalism or to bury it, Kaletsky implicitly
justified fascism, especially the "sound government" variety pioneered
by Adolph Hitler, Ferdinand Marcos, Idi Amin, General Soharto, and every
tinpot demogogue who ever held his hand out for soft loans backed by the
IMF or U.S. tax dollars. Unbelievably, Kaletsky goes on to say that
free-market theory "is now in full retreat" and that economic direction
by government is "the consequence of an historical conjuncture...
ranging from Roosevelt in the United States to such less savory economic
heroes as Hjalmar Schacht, the president of Hitler's central bank." If
it was foolish for a State Department policy wonk (Francis Fukuyama) to
proclaim the End of History as a victory for capitalism, Kaletsky has
cobbled something infinitely worse: the End of History as the rationing
of freedom.

Lenin was quoted exactly so: "Liberty is precious, so precious it has to
be rationed" -- and there is little ambiguity in Kaletsky's version of
the statist creed. He insists that there has been a global paradigm
shift; we cannot rely on market forces; the necessary role of government
is to stabilize and manage macro- economic demand on an ad hoc,
pragmatic basis: "How exactly governments do this -- through interest
rates, taxes, currency management or whatever -- depends on
ever-changing conditions. But the fact that capitalism requires some
degree of external management is impossible to dispute," Kaletsky
sniffs.

Oh, yeah?

I'm a simple tradesman, so I'm going to dispute it in parables, not
paradigms. "Capital" means capital plant and equipment. When it's time
to cut a bar of steel in half or punch a tunnel through a mountain, all
the haircuts, sovereign debts, central bankers, and newspaper columns in
the world ain't gonna do it. Long before your paper banknotes and
derivatives can be swapped, some jerk like me has to pick up a capital
hammer and hit a capital nail accurately on its head to get the job
done. However decorative and amusing Disney movies, tourists, sportsmen
and priests purport to be, in reality consumption contributes nothing to
the work of production. Whether the capital in question is a paintbrush,
or a petrochemical plant, or an oil rig, or the pipe-welding robots and
steel mills that make it possible to exploit a naturally inaccessible,
dangerous, useless raw muck, the productive power of tangible investment
in the form of industrial plant and equipment is the literal (and
largely forgotten) basis of capitalism.

I know this seems distant from Kaletsky's thesis -- that central bankers
and sovereign fiscal policy exert a beneficial and stabilizing influence
upon otherwise chaotic "capitalist" markets. However, I ain't quite
done, yet. Before you can have a market, you need goods. Pieces of

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Antichrist a Jew, Says Falwell

1999-01-17 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley


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By golly, Danno, the whole world IS Jewish. Both Christ and Antichrist are
Jews. Then there are ziggurats
FWP.

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[CTRL] Is It Time to Sell Onions on the Internet?


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3/A
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola
-
Is It Time to Sell Onions on the Internet?

by Brad Lips


Amid the various traditions of December  hanging stockings, spinning
dradels, and disposing of unwanted fruitcakes  something new occurred
during the holiday season of 1998: Internet commerce came of age. Boston
Consulting Group reports that online sales from Thanksgiving to
Christmas more than tripled from prior-year levels. America Online said
its 15 million accounts alone were responsible for $1.2 billion in
Internet holiday sales.

Such numbers may well pique the interest of Washington's policy-makers,
who are always attentive to new sources of revenue or new opportunities
to expand their regulatory scope. So it is worth investigating how life
is evolving out on the digital frontier and whether government
bureaucrats will be able to justify any change to the present "hands
off" policy.

To date, the most successful Internet retailers are operating on
business models that are fairly similar to traditional mail order
companies, but with more informative presentations, faster feedback and
delivery, and often steeper discounts. There are, however, other booming
services, which could never have developed outside of cyberspace and
this is where things get interesting.

A company called eBay, for instance, conducts online auctions by
matching sellers with potential buyers who bid on collectibles  from
rare coins to Beanie Babies  over a period of days. To a first-time
user, the potential for fraud may seem high, given the relative
anonymity of participants in these transactions.

One can imagine regulators will want to safeguard the public by
establishing standards of conduct, requiring licenses for online
trading, or using any of their regular tricks to bring conformity to an
evolving marketplace. But users of eBay would find this kind of
regulatory red tape irrelevant. They create order in this trading
universe on their own, by shaming users who fail to deliver goods
satisfactorily and by praising those who exceed expectations.

A buyer on eBay called Sorny says of his transaction with seller Diamon:
"Item well packaged and arrived in good time. Good to do business with."
Other sellers were tarred with criticisms, such as "Product not as
described. Junk. Over 30 days in shipping. Beware!" These comments are
complimented by a "feedback score" which quantifies the number of happy
vs. unhappy customers of a particular buyer, so new users can gauge
whether or not they want to do business with a particular individual.

The feedback mechanisms of eBay show how markets can be self-regulating.
This is particularly true on the Internet where the costs of collecting
and distributing information are essentially nil. Not only are
government agencies unnecessary to these processes, they could have the
unintended effect of undermining the existing rules with which current
users voluntarily comply.

Stepping outside of cyberspace and into the arena of premium produce, we
find a real-world example of how a regulatory body that is supposed to
serve consumers can wind up operating to their detriment. Onions grown
in Vidalia, Georgia, are known for their unusual sweetness, which
scientists attribute to the area's low-sulfur soil and mild winters. In
1988, in order to protect the Vidalia name from abuse by imposters,
Georgia's State Legislature mandated that only onions grown within a
20-county region could legally represent themselves as Vidalia onions.
One problem: some onion farms within these boundaries have higher sulfur
levels than others and produce onions that are rather unspectacular. As
a result, consumers have no guarantee that a purchase of Vidalia onions
would be blessed with Vidalia sweetness.

An entrepreneur named David Burrell sought to remedy this situation. He
developed a system to measure the sulfur content of an onion and use
Global Positioning Satellite technology to predict the sulfur content of
the rest of a crop. Burrell could therefore separate the good from the
merely ordinary and put a label on it: "Certified Extra Sweet by Vidalia
Labs Inc." Once it became apparent that supermarkets would pay a premium
for Burrell-approved onions, farmers who peddle not-so-sweet onions
became alarmed and turned to the government to intervene. A legal suit
followed and a state judge issued a order to stop Burrell from testing
onions for the remainder of the harvest season. The Wall Street Journal
 has reported that Georgia's agricultural commissioner Tommy Irvin
promised to stop Burrell from testing onions ever again. His explanation
 "A sweet Vidalia onion is a sweet Vidalia onion. We don't need a test
to tell us what we already know for a fact."  is a quintessential
example of paternal

[CTRL] Tyranny, Canadian Style


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from:
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A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.3/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times
- Volume 3 Issue 3/A
The Laissez Faire City Times
January 18, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 3
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola
-
Tyranny, Canadian Style

by Peter Topolewski




During one of the events at the 1997 APEC meeting in Vancouver, BC,
"protestors" gathered along a procession route to hoist signs decrying
then Indonesian leader Suhartos abuses of power. Publicly displaying
disapproval and calling for change is, in Canada, generally considered a
right. This particular display, however, Surharto never saw. The Royal
Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) arrived, under the auspices of removing a
security threat, to disperse the protesters. With little warning the
RCMP opened up industrial-sized pepper spray canisters on the crowd.
Clubs and strip searches followed.

Peaceful Canadians exercising their right to free speech: the protestors
and the public felt the RCMP treated them with excessive force. After
more than 40 public complaints were filed, an inquiry was convened to
determine whether the RCMP had acted rightly or wrongly. But the
question the RCMP tactics imply, and which is not being officially
asked, is did Prime Minister Jean Chretien order the crackdown? Many
suspect he did exactly that to fulfill a promise to protect Suhartos
sensitive self esteem. If Chretien ordered the crackdown he explicitly
violated Canadian rights and freedoms and his time as PM should be at an
end. His governments tactics during the RCMP inquiry, and the
controversy in which the inquiry has been mired since day one, indeed
suggest that Chretien was the triggerman. But to this day he looks
infallible: arcane procedure, diffuse comments, and a professional
aloofness have kept him far removed from, and largely indifferent to,
the wrongdoings of APEC 1997.

While around the world the Prime Ministers Office is not generally
considered a pinnacle of power, it does by virtue of the structure of
Canadas government enjoy a somewhat unchecked authority. Whereas
Clinton may be threatened by Republicans and by his own party for his
unholy dalliance with Monica Lewinsky, Chretien announces, and his
Liberal party pursues, whatever legislation his Cabinet proposes his
party vote for. Its that--or theyre out in the cold. Chretien is
particularly deft letting his Cabinet ministers take total heat for
contentious issues and legislation, as though he is the delusional
leader mothballed away in the rulers palace, oblivious to the
underlings rule. Health Minister Alan Rock has borne the brunt of
public outcry over numerous scandals and a tainted blood supply, and
Finance Minister Paul Martin continues today to battle fallout from the
fudged bookkeeping that has allowed Chretien to claim Canadas first
budget surplus in decades. It is this power system, and Canadas cryptic
procedures of justice, that look to keep the truth of Chretiens role in
APEC 97 hidden, and perhaps the question of his innocence or guilt from
even being raised. In this light the PMs rule in Canada looks like a
nightmare of the bureaucratic kind--oppression made civilized.

The Inquiry

The shenanigans begin with that most Canadian of procedures, the
toothless independent public inquiry. It was clear from the start that
the whole exercise was half serious and half for show. The inquiry was
lead by the RCMPs Public Complaints Commission: its mandate, to look
into the RCMPs use of force towards protestors at APEC 97. With the
PMs culpability removed at the outset, lawyers, protestors, and the
RCMP began the tedious, and for all intents and purposes useless, task
of recreating in minutiae for the inquiry panel the events that lead to
violent confrontation. From there it got weirder.

The pepper spraying took place along a route to an APEC event at the
University of British Columbia. UBC is not known for its social
activism, but it is a university and the students there managed to
muster the requisite protestors to fulfill the idealist image. Early in
the inquiry each side debated about the physical details and
measurements of the entourage route, the placement of barricades, the
off-limits zones, the position of the police, and the placement of
anti-Suharto signs. These signs, the RCMP stated without flinching,
posed a security threat  how exactly, they never answered
satisfactorily; but if justice was to be served, determining the precise
location of the signs was of supreme importance. Much hair-splitting,
video tape, and crude map-making followed. Not long into the inquiry for
truth, however, trouble arose.

The students lawyers told the inquiry panel that they could not
continue to work unless they were paid. Students claimed the inquiry was
over (and therefore justice denied) if their legal fees were not paid by
the government. Typically in such affairs government is the source of
legal funding, but Chretiens

[CTRL] [VotingOnline] What will Voting Online do to the NYSE? (fwd)

1999-01-17 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Subject: [VotingOnline] What will Voting Online do to the NYSE?

From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Consider that a typical situation in a broadly held "public" corporation
is that a few individuals holding a small percentage of stock "run the
show". For example if each of three individuals holds 3% of the stock then
they run the company if the average small shareholder holds only 1% of 1%
and they don't get organized. They might as well have no vote.
   The imminent ubiquitous internet changes all that. The small
shareholders can easily organize and I think we will see big changes in
who runs the big companies on the stock exchanges and how they are run.
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .


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  The father, quite understandably, thru his son to the ground on first
  hearing the shots, and placed himself over his son's body to protect the
  kid...so other than the initial shot, he didn't SEE much of anything
  else...but he DID testify to a bullet or bullets hitting the curb by him,
  which throws the whole Warren Commission scenario out the window...
The folks I am talking about were not on the ground when the second shot
occured.


  secret service agents were calm throughout.  When Jackie is seen to be
 making
  a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get
  back in it.

  Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account,
  she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion
  of her husband's brain,

Even in the commonly seen version she can be seen ON THE TRUNK OF THE LIMO.

  The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the
  limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull,
  ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume
  Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it...

I am referring to an incident when Jackie was on THE BACK OF THE LIMO and the
secret service agent I saw very visibly pointed to the seat at which point
Jackie is seen to make her way back to her seat.  You seem to be talking of
another segment, probably the one you were afforded the opportunity to see at
all.  Incidentally, is Jackie going to go by any other than the official
account when it is the highest police body in the country that she can see is
part of this?  Just who is she going to go to?  I imagine words like, "If you
do as we tell you, your kids get to be ambassadors, senators..."



  Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the
  fact that the shots were all being directed at it?

  Why not?  What was she supposed to do, jump out onto the street and
  become a STANDING target?


  Go ahead folks.  Bring it on.  Start with character assination and name
  calling and attempts at discrediting.

  No need for all that.

  While I admit that there's a big question as to why the limo driver seems
  to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses
  out of there, THAT is as far as I will go in granting the driver may have
  been part of the conspiracy...I feel there were enough professional
  assassins in the crowd, they didn't need the driver to blatantly shoot
  JFK in the open like that...

  Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the
  Connallys notice it?

Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots were
being fired, "My God!  They're going to kill us ALL!"

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Re: [CTRL] Calif.: $10 MM Fluoridation Grant


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On 15 Jan 99, , Lyn wrote:

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 California Headlines Friday January 15 6:44 AM ET

 Grant To Help Fluoridate Water - (SACRAMENTO) -- An endowment supported by
 the dental community has donated ten-Million-dollars to help California
 cities add fluoride to their water supplies. The grant from the California
 Endowment will help buy equipment and materials for cities that plan to
 fluoridate their drinking water. State health officials say only 17-percent
 of the state's drinking water is fluoridated to protect citizens from tooth
 decay.


There was a segment on one of the "magazine" shows warning parents that, if their
children were drinking bottled water, they weren't getting flouride.Telling them to 
check
the labels and --of course--pressuring the bottled water folks to put flouride in 
bottled
water, too!!  Why do they think folks are drinking bottled water
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell


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On 14 Jan 99, , YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

 But now that Lewinsky is coming off as 'a good girl', e.g. she's kept her
 mouth shut and hasn't been running off to the tabloids to tell her story,

I don't think she can do that until the trial is over. Can she?
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.


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On 14 Jan 99, , Hawk wrote:

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  Howdy Hypocrite,

 Good morning... Having a nice day?

  Whatsa matter, ain't got time to reply to my queries?

 I haven't seen any Is it something you sent today?

  So, pray tell, what are the "proper hermaneutical procedures"? Are they
  consistent?

 "Hermaneutics" is the art or science of "interpretation" primarily of written
 documents, and is usually applied to biblical interpretation.  However, the
 "rules" are common in literature and historical/archealogical fields, and are not
 restricted to bible study.  Check this site:
 http://www.greatnorthern.net/~ken/herm.html

Congratulations, Hawk!

You have made it to my Filter-Delete list.

I have absolutely no idea what you are doing here. I have absolutely no idea what
you're trying to say to people on this list that has any value.. And until something
convinces me otherwise, I want to save the bandwith.

IMO, Kris is making a mistake trying to "argue" with you. I'm sorry to see that. You
are clearly a no-win kinda guy.

Enjoy your Mercedes. Have a nice day.





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[CTRL] Voting Online

1999-01-17 Thread J FROST


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Voting on line with out a computer...

Have you ever used a fax retrieval system?

Right now it is possible to vote electronically with out a computer.

1)  Everyone must vote in the area where they are registered.

2)  This is a local call where ever.

3)  When you called in, you could have a voter id number
  so the system prompts you for your pen number

4)  Before you ever entered your number, the voting do-dad
  already used caller id to varify the phone call came from
 your residents.

This allows registered voters of the same family do their thing.

Just like the maze you go through in a fax retrieval system, anyone
with a touch tone could vote from home

ET  vote from home.

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Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .

1999-01-17 Thread Thomas, Kenneth F.


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 a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her
 to get back in it.

This agent is named Clint Hill, btw. He and Jackie later had an affair,
according to author Edward Klein.

 the limo driver seems to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get
their collective asses out of there,

This is also established by the brake lights coming on.

  Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the
  Connallys notice it?

Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots
were being fired, "My God!  They're going to kill us ALL!"

...as opposed to just the one guy who had been set up to be shot. (The quote
is actually from William Manchester's book, The Death of a President.)

kt

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[CTRL] Threat of Seed Sterilization?

1999-01-17 Thread Lloyd Miller

Title: Terminator: RAFI Launches Mail Campaign




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Hammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: No to Seed Sterilization- Shoot Email 
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quoted-printable to 8bit by halibut.pnc.com.au id SAA14494 
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Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:53:06 
-0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: - Important Seed 
Sterilization To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input)  
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM 
Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:39:33 -0600 
To: 1a-TBA Members  Friends 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Take Back Arkansas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: - Important Seed Sterilization  From Ed 
Loop- Subject: Non-Ed - Important: Seed Sterilization  
This ties into what I sent out yesterday and in truth is a thinly 
disguised attempt, along with others, to control the global food 
supply. Not only will it control seed sourcing but will also 
control who grows what and where, at the expense of the small 
farmer. This is part of global government control. Fred 
 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:12:38 -0800 
Subject: Terminator: RAFI Launches Mail Campaign 
-- 
 Help Stop the Terminator 
Jump to: http://www.rafi.org/usda.html 
-- Monsanto in Closed 
Negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture to Finalize Control 
of Terminator Technology   
  Monsanto is 
moving swiftly to finalize its control over  the Terminator 
technology. The company may extract an  exclusive license from the 
US Department of Agriculture  (USDA) within weeks. RAFI is 
initiating an urgent  internet-based international campaign to stop the 
USDA -  Monsanto negotiations before it's too late. A special 
 WWW page has been set up at http://www.rafi.org/usda.html  to 
enable anyone with internet access to send a customized  message to the 
USDA asking it to cease negotiations and  bury this anti-farmer, 
anti-biodiversity technology.  Additional contact details are provided 
below.  -- 
A Monsanto subsidiary, Delta  Pine Land (DPL), is 
currently negotiating with the USDA to exclusively license the US 
Government's interest in the controversial Terminator technology patent, 
a genetic technique that renders farm-saved seed sterile. The 
seed-sterilizing technology - developed with US taxpayer dollars - will 
prevent farmers from saving seed from their harvest, forcing them to 
return to the commercial seed market every year.  The 
Terminator patent (US # 5,723,765) is jointly owned by DPL and the 
USDA. Under US law, since DPL worked with USDA to develop the 
technology, the company has the option to negotiate an exclusive 
license. Hoping to find a gullible international public, 
Monsanto's PR machine in Brussels, New Delhi, Harare, St. Louis, and 
points in between, are massaging jittery governments and publicly trying 
to distance the company from the Terminator technology by referring to 
it as conceptual and not yet proven. But 
the company's move to negotiate an exclusive license with USDA confirms 
that Monsanto is eager to commercialize Terminator seeds.  
Despite international controversy boiling over in at least two UN 
agencies rather than engage in public dialog, a leaked internal memo by 
Deputy Administrator K. Darwin Murrell reveals that USDA hopes to 
quietly manage controversy over the patent. The memo 
warns USDA employees that Terminator research is a sensitive issue 
that requires an extra level of review to help avoid 
potential political and legal pitfalls. But the USDA insists that 
the Terminator is a beneficial technology and confirms that its 
scientists are themselves interested in developing the seed sterilizing 
technique as platform to host a package of stacked traits in 
genetically engineered plants.   SAY NO TO 
TERMINATOR!  RAFI invites you to join an international e-mail 
campaign being initiated today to protest the licensing and commercial 
development of the Terminator technology. RAFI has set up a 
special web page (http://www.rafi.org/usda.html) that automatically 
sends a customized e-mail to US Secretary of Agriculture Dan Glickman 
(also see address information below). We urge you to write to US 
Department of Agriculture officials to demand that USDA cease licensing 
negotiations and abandon all international patent applications on a 
dangerous and immoral technology that should never see the commercial 
light of day.  RAFI is urging government institutions to hold 
public inquiries on the alarming rate of seed industry consolidation, 
and to take steps to safeguard - not eliminate

[CTRL] (Fwd) DISEASE OUTBREAK IN FLORIDA


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HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE, DOGS - USA (FLORIDA)
While this is about dogs and comes from another list, I thought it was significant.
I've just been reading all the contrail postings.

sno0wl


--- Forwarded Message Follows ---

Here is a government statement on the outbreak.  Everyone be
careful on
the
Fla circuit and at Westminister.  Please pass this along.  This is how
the
Parvo outbreak started in Ca back in the 70's and spread across the
country.
Please post to your lists.

HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE, DOGS - USA (FLORIDA)
***
A ProMED-mail post
http://www.healthnet.org/programs/promed.html
http://www.fas.org/promed/ahead

Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:39:50 -0500
From: "George A. Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED],
jlentino [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
Peter Cyrog, DVM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Source: News agency [edited]


Florida -- Derby Lane, the world's oldest continuously operating
dog
track, was closed Friday after six greyhounds have died from a
mystery
illness and other dogs were ill with a pneumonia-like illness. More
than 100 other dogs, mostly 2- and 3-year-olds, are suffering from
this highly contagious cough. The dogs are coughing up blood and
the
pathologist involved is uncertain as to the cause, labeling it a
mystery.

Dr. William Castleman, the University of Florida pathologist who
performed an autopsy on one of the dogs, Gaffer, from the St.
Petersburg race track. "Is it something new?'' Castleman asked. "Is
it a common infection that's just taken a new turn? We don't know.
But the fact [that] this dog became very ill and started bleeding and
died has us thinking there has to be something else going on
here.''
Castleman said it will probably take two weeks before scientists
can
isolate the pneumonia-like virus.

Trainers reported that dogs suffering the mystery illness were
bleeding through the nose and the mouth, discharging bloody
stools.
Some had blood vessels in their skin burst. "Whatever type of
infection this is, it breaks down the clotting mechanisms in the
dog.''

The track imposed a quarantine on its greyhounds and set up an
around-the-clock infirmary to combat the illness, which officials
say
poses no threat to humans. A necropsy confirmed that one of the
dogs
died of a viral respiratory disease and had internal bleeding, said
Sarah Casey, spokeswoman for the University of Florida College
of
Veterinary Medicine. [With veterinarians involved, it may not be
_Bordetella_ spp, the common "kennel cough" - Mod.TG]

The dogs at Hollywood Greyhound Track [Florida] have been put
under
quarantine after several greyhounds came down with a virus
different
than the one in St. Petersburg, Garry Duell, assistant racing
secretary at the track, said Sunday. "It's not the same virus," he
insisted. "It's the normal kennel cough that they get this time of
year.'' Several dogs were scratched from the race card Saturday
but
none were taken off Sunday, Duell said.

Dog tracks in Daytona Beach, Jacksonville, Miami, Naples and
Orlando
also have quarantined their dogs as a precaution. Races will
probably
be scratched at Derby Lane at least through Wednesday, track
general
manager Vey Weaver said. Derby Lane is one of  the largest
taxpaying
pari-mutuels in the state. About 1100 dogs were scheduled to race
there this year. Because of the virus scare, Greyhound Protection
League, a San Francisco-based anti-racing group, has urged
owners to
impose a nationwide quarantine at the greyhound tracks.

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?


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In a message dated 1/17/99 9:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
 of the assembled senators? 

I think they got stung when the Republicans in the House obviously were having
such a high old time beating up on the president, so while the Senate
Republicans are probably grinning, poking each other, and having a few
downright belly laughs, the camera can't show it.  This way when they tell us
they consider this kangaroo court a serious, painful precedure, we can't tell
by looking what a good time they are really having.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?


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In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has
 absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of
 'credibility and reputation'.  We also know that when it comes to
 assassination, Klinton is the master of the game. 

Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

1999-01-17 Thread Hawk


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Sno0wl wrote:

 Congratulations, Hawk!

 You have made it to my Filter-Delete list.

Good.

 I have absolutely no idea what you are doing here.

You also apparently have no idea what YOU are doing here.

 I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say to people on this list that has
 any value..

I wouldn't think that you would.

 And until something convinces me otherwise, I want to save the bandwith.

Good.

 IMO, Kris is making a mistake trying to "argue" with you. I'm sorry to see that. You
 are clearly a no-win kinda guy.

I hadn't noticed...

 Enjoy your Mercedes. Have a nice day.

I will... or maybe the Cadillac... Gee If I were to get rid of the Cadillac, would
it materialize in some African's front yard?

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] PJ lied under oath?

1999-01-17 Thread E Mael


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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
In a message dated 1/17/99 10:03:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 We believe in 'such conspiracies', but we also know that Klinton has
 absolutely NO self-control, and is the sole cause of his own loss of
 'credibility and reputation'.  We also know that when it comes to
 assassination, Klinton is the master of the game.


what some people call self control others might think of as sexual
repression and as any self respecting social engineer knows that; if they
have you by the balls, your mind will follow. you seem fairly obedient to
the program june. rant on, because it is man's domain to subdue nature and
master his environment and capitalism to bring it all to distruction. i
keep thinking two-tonguedness, but everyone knows that is not a word.

Ah June, you have so much insider knowlege.  Prudy


that is from hanging with insider types; i cringe to think who that might
be.

chris

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Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?

1999-01-17 Thread Barb Witt


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At 09:59 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
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In a message dated 1/17/99 9:46:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 clear.) What is the judicial logic that disallows camera views
 of the assembled senators? 

I think they got stung when the Republicans in the House obviously were having
such a high old time beating up on the president, so while the Senate
Republicans are probably grinning, poking each other, and having a few
downright belly laughs, the camera can't show it.  This way when they tell us
they consider this kangaroo court a serious, painful precedure, we can't tell
by looking what a good time they are really having.  Prudy

I stand in awe of the way you weave every subject imaginable into the
pattern of your never ending story.  Are you capable of writing about
ANY theme without reducing it to bad Republicans and saintly Democrats?  If
so, please have mercy on us all.

Barb

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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.

1999-01-17 Thread E Mael


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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
I understand, some persons are simply unable to bear the discomfort that
can result from exposure to the ideas of others, and are especially
confounded when those ideas directly challenge their own world view.  It
is
probably better that you filter, rather than overextend.

Barb


maybe you and squawk ought to start your own list, then you could expose
each other to the truth and logic of your ideas. and you would not be
lonely because you would have each other.

grinnin' dis time,
chris

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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-01-17 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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Am I mistaken here, or were we all asked to let this threat
evaporate??


"Why can't we all just get along:)

 --My Main Man...Rodney King:)



On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, pennie hammons wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Jah wrote:
 By the way, free-will, is, for your information, one of God's Laws and there
 are no other laws on this planet that are Lawful.

 ***So, if man-made laws are evil and God sent you to recover the Ark, then I
 would say that you are sinning by obeying the laws of man and NOT the word
 of God. Surely you don't need a permit to dig since that is part of man's
 law..?

 Jah: Perhaps I joined the wrong list? Does anyone know of a real
 anti-conspiracy list? If so please tell me how to contact it.
 
 ***I think you did join the wrong list. The one you want is Sons Of Liberty
 at Onelist.com. I'm sure that you will fit right in there.
 
 Jah:P.S. Your words are in brown. Is there a subconscious message in your
 choice of colour for your own words? Did God guide your choice for you?
 
 *** Jah, your words are in black, h.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Ex Intelligence Officers Meet

1999-01-17 Thread Das GOAT


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In a message dated 99-11-18 11:57:19 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

AFIO is a nonprofit, non-political "intelligence education" association.
Its 2,600 members are spies, counterspies, spymasters and intelligence
analysts who served the United States from the days of World War II's
legendary Office of Strategic Services through the Cold War's cluster of
alphabet soup intelligence agencies including the CIA, DIA, ONI, NRO, NSA
and various other military and civilian groups.

Incorporated in 1975--

1975 was the year when 800+ agents involved in covert ops (mainly in Asia)
were "discharged" from active duty, after public revelation of the CIA's
illegal activities.

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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue Failure

1999-01-17 Thread Das GOAT


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In a message dated 99-11-18 12:01:43 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Intriguing. But my point about an Oligarch actually running the country
directly is still, I think, accurate...Nixon hardly qualified as a member of
the Oligarchy, even though he might have liked to think of himself that way.
He was recruited, guided, and controlled every step of the way.

True, not an "oligarch."  Now, how about "vice president" Nelson Rockefeller?

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Re: [CTRL] Occult / Intelligence [repost]

1999-01-17 Thread Das GOAT


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In a message dated 99-11-18 12:55:59 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Verrry interesting... A little bird is whispering in my ear, "Ira Einhorn,
Ira Einhorn..." Ira the con-man would fit right in with this scenario,
wouldn't he?

Sure would.  The '60s were full of provocateurs distinguished by their huge
egos.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Chuck Baldwin's Food for Thought from the Chuck Wagon for 11/19/99

1999-01-17 Thread Tenorlove




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Moderate Republicans More Dangerous than Liberal Democrats

November 19, 1999



Establishment Republicans would have us believe that it is
better to vote for a moderate Republican than to vote for any
Democrat. Im not so sure.

For all his faults, and they are multitudinous, the one good
thing that Clintons election accomplished was to awaken a
large number of lethargic conservatives. Ask yourself this
question: would the Republican Party have won its landslide
congressional victory in 1994 if George Bush would have been
reelected president in 1992? The answer is, no.

What Republican victories tend to do is put people to sleep.
For example, people are set on fire when a Democrat like
Charles Schumer proposes more gun control. But, no one notices
when a Republican like Orrin Hatch proposes the same thing.
When a Democrat like Bill Clinton promotes MFN for Communist
Red China, everyone hears the call to arms. When a Republican
like Phil Crane promotes it, no one pays attention. When a
liberal like Barney Frank supports the gay agenda, people are
incensed. When a moderate like John McCain does it, no one even
gets upset. When Ted Kennedy votes for partial birth abortion,
everyone sees red. No one notices when Christie Todd Whitman
votes the exact same way. When Al Gore suggests increasing the
power and wealth of the federal department of education,
conservatives scream. When George W. Bush suggests it,
conservatives applaud.

The truth is, the liberal agenda is more quickly advanced when
moderate Republicans are in power than when liberal Democrats
are in power, not because Democrats are less committed, but
because the opposition is neutered. Conservatives are far less
likely to oppose liberal policies when fellow Republicans are
promoting them.

An enemy you can identify is much less dangerous than an enemy
that works from inside your own army! Americas Trojan Horse is
filled with moderate Republicans. It is time for all lovers of
freedom to get serious about electing constitutionalists to
public office and wake up from this "any-Republican-is-better"
mantra that is turning the American dream into a socialist
nightmare!

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[CTRL] The Hollow Earth Theory

1999-01-17 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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Here is the link to one of the Anomalous radio shows/Web-Casts
that Steve Wingate did, where he interviews Lan regarding The
Hollow Earth Theory:

http://www.anomalous-images.com/hollow1.ram

It's a very captivating interview, and Steve did an amazing job
as host, i.e., better BY FAR than the likes of Laura Lee, ANY of
the Art Bell guest hosts, etc.  In fact, Steve is second, imo, in
his ability to get at what his guest's message is, only to the
likes of Art Bell or LARRY KING!

In other words listen to it, you won't be sorry!

Best,

Mike

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[CTRL] [smashthestate] Drug War hilarious, if lives weren't ruined

1999-01-17 Thread lloyd


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..

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Subject: [smashthestate] Drug War hilarious, if lives weren't ruined
Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 12:51 PM

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

From http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/1999/Nov-14-Sun-1999/opinion/12346459.html

  Sunday, November 14, 1999
  Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

  COLUMN: VIN
  SUPRYNOWICZ

  Drug War hilarious, if lives weren't ruined


   Perhaps, if we wait a little longer, the War on Drugs
  will grow more insane ... though it would be hard.
In 1996, California voters overwhelmingly approved
  Proposition 215, allowing medical marijuana use in that
  state.
But California cops have continued busting sick
  Californians and seizing their home-grown pot ever since
  -- paying particular attention to those who dared
  exercise their First Amendment rights to promote Prop
  15, like 1996 Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Steve
  Kubby, an adrenal cancer survivor, and AIDS patient
  Peter McWilliams, author of the high-profile book "Ain't
  Nobody's Business If You Do" (Prelude Press).
Now, a federal judge has ruled McWilliams and
  fellow defendant Todd McCormick, who has bone
  cancer, won't be allowed to even mention Prop 15 at
  trial.
U.S. District Judge George King has ruled, "They ...
  cannot refer to their medical conditions, the medical uses
  of marijuana, or California's Proposition 215," The
  Associated Press reports.
McWilliams says he can only keep down his AIDS
  medication by smoking marijuana. But Judge King's
  ruling "disallowed a defense based on medical necessity
  because it 'is not available as a matter of law,' since
  Congress has ruled marijuana has no medical merit," The
  AP explains. "Proposition 215 recognizes some medical
  benefits, but U.S. officials say state laws do not apply to
  federal offenses."
Apparently, in California one now has a right to a
  trial (before a jury carefully stacked to include only
  prohibitionists), but no right to mount a defense.
Meantime -- don't try too hard to make sense of
  this, it will make your head hurt -- the Sacramento Bee
  reported on Nov. 7:
"If you never thought you'd live to see the day police
  would have to return marijuana and guns to a person
  they had busted on drug charges, you should have been
  in Auburn on Wednesday at the Placer County Sheriff's
  Department.
"Chris Jay Miller, 48, of Citrus Heights, backed his
  pickup truck to the door of an evidence shed behind
  sheriff's headquarters and, with help from Sgt. Keven
  Besana, filled its cab and much of its bed with items that
  ordinarily would be considered contraband:" the Bee
  continues. "Bags and jars of marijuana and plant
  clippings, grow lights, hydroponic tubs, two revolvers,
  two rifles, a camouflage bulletproof vest, circulating fan
  and other gadgets, most of them used in the cultivation
  of pot."
Cops raiding Miller's house on March 18 initially
  rebuffed his claim to be a legitimate medical marijuana
  patient. But following an investigation (oh good, let's do
  the investigation after we send in the armed gunmen), the
  Sacramento paper reports: "The Placer County district
  attorney concluded Miller may, indeed, meet
  Proposition 215's guidelines," since he'd been using
  marijuana to fight chronic pain, muscle spasms and
  arthritis as an alternative to the addictive pain killers
  prescribed to him for more than 10 years following a
  series of disabling car and motorcycle accidents.
Based on the "severity of the defendant's medical
  condition and his possession of a written
  recommendation by a licensed

[CTRL] Dulles, Nixon, and the Fourth Reich

1999-01-17 Thread lloyd

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..

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Subject:  [CTRL] Dulles, Nixon, and the Fourth Reich
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 6:35 AM

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an excerpt from:
Secrets of The SS
Glenn B. Infield(C)1982
Stein  Day
ISBN 0-8128-8033-1
-

-15-

America's Secret Alliance with the SS

The end of the war and the collapse of the Third Reich revealed the horror
wrought by the SS under Hitler. The world was shocked as reports of the
Holocaust became known and photographs were published of the victims found in
the concentration and death camps of Europe. The entire SS organization
became a target for Allied investigators seeking war criminals and at
Nuremberg, where the war crimes tribunal met, the SS was officially declared
a criminal organization. SS members were even shunned by many German citizens
who had helplessly observed their actions during the years of Nazi power but
who had been unable to interfere without jeopardizing their own lives.
Everywhere the SS was undoubtedly the most hated of Nazi organizations, and
public feeling in the United States was no exception. There was an outcry for
their "heads." In a freedom-loving country, the deeds of the SS were
considered so horrendous that death to the perpetrators seemed the only
answer. American government officials agreed--at least publicly.
Eisenhower's proclamation to the Germans set the tone for the Americans in
their occupation zone: "We shall obliterate Nazism and German militarism. We
shall overthrow the Nazi rule, dissolve the Nazi party, and abolish the
cruel, oppresive, and discriminatory laws and institutions which the party
has created." To follow these guidelines, the Americans, through the U.S.
military government, decided that they would denazify the 13 million
surviving German adults in their zone. Under the watchful eye of Colonel
Orlando Wilson, commander of the Public Sa disclosing all aspects of their
life during the Third Reich. Long prison terms were threatened to those
Germans who didn't fill out the questionnaire fully and truthfully. The
American counterintelligence corps, using the Nazi files found in the Brown
House in Munich, checked the questionnaires to make certain that the answers
were correct. Five major categories were defined and each German was placed
in one of the five. They were: major offenders, offenders, lesser offenders,
followers, and exonerated.

The plan seemed simple and workable. It proved complex and unworkable. After
the questionnaires were scrutinized, it was discovered that there were nearly
4 million Germans in the American zone alone in the categories requiring
trials! There were not nearly enough American personnel in Germany to handle
that many cases. A rough estimate indicated that it would take more than
eight years to complete the trials. American officials also came to conclude
that the denazification program had many failings, and that if zealously
pushed could do more harm to American interests than was at first understood.
They began to realize that all Nazi party members did not join for the same
reason. Some joined under pressure to keep their jobs, others because they
believed in the party's aims. Many wealthy persons contributed large sums to
the party and helped it grow, but never became members. And as the
relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union deteriorated
during the postwar years, many of the "war criminals" identified under the
American denazification program became more and more valuable to the U.S.
Facing all these problems, American officials decided that they would solve
the sticky problem by turning the entire denazification program over to the
Germans.

On June 1, 1946, all denazification trials became the responsibility of the
Germans. Immediately there were two important results: The United States was
relieved of the responsibility for passing judgment on the indicted Germans,
and it became very obvious that the German judges were not going to be as
severe as the Americans had first intended to be when the program began.
Enough time had already passed that the average German citizen felt safe in
deciding not to testify against other Germans; they preferred not to be seen
as traitors. In fact, most of the Germans considered admitting that they had
played a minor role in the Nazi party, proof that they had been loyal to
their country! By right, the American officials should have been angry and
disillusioned by the debasement of the process and should perhaps have
reclaimed the denazification program from the Germans. But the world
situation was such at the time that they were more pleased than disappointed.
There was not a word of criticism when the Germans freed General Franz
Halder, Hitler's army chief of staff; Edward Jadamczik, former Gestapo chief
in East

Re: [CTRL] [Y2K] Gun deaths plummet

1999-01-17 Thread K


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Gun-related death rate plummets to lowest level since the '60s

4.50 p.m. ET (2202 GMT) November 18, 1999

By James Pilcher, Associated Press

 ATLANTA (AP)   Gun deaths in the United States dropped 21 percent
between
1993 and 1997 to the lowest level in more than 30 years, and
firearm-related injuries fell 41 percent, the government said Thursday.
snip

Source:  Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/news/wires2/1118/n_ap_1118_280.sml

--

So why haven't NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, et al reported this?
--
Kathleen

"Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that
everybody is free to discuss religion. In practice it
means that hardly anybody is allowed to mention it."
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Re: [CTRL] AGING VETERAN FINDS OUT JUSTICE IS FOR FEDS ONLY

1999-01-17 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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In a message dated 11/16/1999 6:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Standing up would be a lot easier for him he didn't have the full
 weight of the U.S. Department of Justice on his back. In May,
 DeHeer drove to the Carl T. Hayden Veterans Affairs Medical
 Center in Phoenix to have his hearing aids adjusted. When he
 got there, DeHeer says he couldn't find an available
 handicapped parking space nearby, so he decided to park in
 one of the several vacant spots marked temporarily with
 "VIP" signs. 

Just in case any veteran of our military services should have thought that
"very important person" was a phrase our Government would use to describe
him.  Had there been one marked "CF," he could have used it.  That's standard
military abbreviation for cannon fodder, isn't it?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] AGING VETERAN FINDS OUT JUSTICE IS FOR FEDS ONLY

1999-01-17 Thread Mark McHugh


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Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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 In a message dated 11/16/1999 6:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

  Standing up would be a lot easier for him he didn't have the full
  weight of the U.S. Department of Justice on his back. In May,
  DeHeer drove to the Carl T. Hayden Veterans Affairs Medical
  Center in Phoenix to have his hearing aids adjusted. When he
  got there, DeHeer says he couldn't find an available
  handicapped parking space nearby, so he decided to park in
  one of the several vacant spots marked temporarily with
  "VIP" signs. 

 Just in case any veteran of our military services should have thought that
 "very important person" was a phrase our Government would use to describe
 him.  Had there been one marked "CF," he could have used it.  That's standard
 military abbreviation for cannon fodder, isn't it?  Prudy


We always used CF, "Charlie Foxtrot", as an abbrieviation for Cluster F*ck, a
ridiculously screwed up situation.

The more current slang for cannon fodder would be "Speed Bump".  You're a speed
bump when you slightly slow the enemy's advance, usually armored vehicles, with
your body.

--
Mark McHugh

Semper Cerritus!

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[CTRL] OEN 11/19/99 --111999

1999-01-17 Thread Kris Millegan


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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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Information Warfare


Author of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" Identified?


A member of the Tsarist secret police who became a Bolshevik.

THE author of the notorious anti-Semitic forgery, Protocols of the Elders of
Zion, has been identified as a Russian propagandist who served both the Tsar
and the Bolsheviks.
The Protocols have proved an inspiration for generations of anti-Semites all
over the world, despite having proved to be fake within a few decades of
their appearance at the beginning of the century. They purport to reveal a
secret Jewish-Masonic conspiracy to overthrow monarchy and Christian
civilisation through the manipulation of wars, revolutions and capitalism,
paving the way for world Jewish domination.

Research by a leading Russian historian, Mikhail Lepekhine, in recently
opened archives has found the forgery to be the work of Mathieu Golovinski,
opportunistic scion of an aristocratic but rebellious family who drifted into
a life of espionage and propaganda work. After working for the Tsarist secret
service he later changed sides and joined the Bolsheviks.
Mr Lepekhine's findings, published yesterday in the French magazine
L'Express, would appear to clear up the last remaining mystery surrounding
the Protocols. Though banned in Europe, copies are still to be found in
Middle Eastern bookshops.

Golovinski was born in 1865 in Ivachevka in the Simbirsk region. His father,
a friend of Dostoyevsky who was condemned to death for his part in a plot
then pardoned, died when he was 10 leaving him to be brought up by his mother
and a French governess. His subsequent career evokes the world of
assassination and intrigue described in Joseph Conrad's Under Western Eyes,
as revolutionaries and reactionaries struggled for the soul of Russia.

He briefly studied law before drifting into the Holy Brotherhood, an
anti-Semitic secret society which used forgery as a tool against the
revolutionaries, publishing phoney newspapers and tracts. His contacts there
found him a job in the government press department where he acted as a
Tsarist spin doctor, placing articles in compliant newspapers and paying the
salaries of certain journalists.

When his chief protector died and he was publicly denounced by Maxim Gorky as
an informer he was forced to look for work abroad and chose Paris. There he
made contact with the head of the Russian secret police, Pierre Ratchkovski,
who put him to work writing pro-Russian stories to be planted in the French
press.

Later he was charged with a more important mission. Reactionary circles in
Moscow, dismayed at the progress being made by modernisers in the court of
Nicolas II, hit on the idea of a forgery that would demonstrate to the tsar
that the rising tide of capitalism in Russia was really a Jewish conspiracy
aimed at overthrowing him and the old order.

At the end of 1900 or the beginning of 1901 Golovinski was set to work. He
leant heavily on a pamphlet written in 1864 by an anti-Bonapartist lawyer who
claimed Napoleon III was engaged in a plot to usurp all the powers of the
French people.

The London Telegraph, November 19, 1999


How We Love PM Mahathir


Malaysia Struck by Mad Kow-Tow Disease


Businessmen and educators latest to succumb to brain-destroying epidemic.

KUALA LUMPUR. A devastating outbreak of Mad Kow-Tow disease swept Malaysia
last week as hundreds of victims fell to their knees in humiliating homage to
Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad. With General Elections coming soon, the
ACCIM and the Federation of Chinese Associations of Malaysia last week
pledged to fully support Prime Minister Mahathir.

"We sincerely pledge to support every measure taken in facing any threat to
the integrity and sovereignty of the country, its economy and glorious
leadership," ACCCIM assistant secretary-general David Chua declared at a
press conference, foaming in the mouth as he was led away by men in white
coats.

Mad Kow-Tow disease attacks the brain and eliminates any sense of integrity,
self-respect and independent thought in the minds of sufferers. The disease
then eats away at the body until the backbone crumbles and the testicles
wither away. Some of the worst cases have been diagnosed with eyesight
problems, experiencing episodes of blindness to human rights violations,
corruption, cronyism and authoritarianism.

Victims have also exhibit an uncontrollable urge to fall on their knees and
apply their tongues to the anuses of passing Prime Ministers or Barisan
Nasional politicians.
Because of its similarity to the Mad Cow disease that struck Britain last
year, police are investigating the possibility that the Mad Kow-Tow disease
is yet another evil foreign plot to destroy Malaysia.

The Health Minister declared in a press conference today that his Ministry
has assessed the Mad Kow-Tow epidemic and now knows as much about is as

Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue Failure

1999-01-17 Thread Tatman, Robert


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I've never been able to figure out what exactly Rockefeller's role was.
AFAIK, Ford never consulted him on anything; the only significant
contribution he made was to chair the commission that catalogued the
assorted emergency declarations going back to Lincoln. My sense is that
while Nelson Rockefeller was indeed an Oligarch, his power was waning by
that time; within the family, authority was passing to David and Jay, and
the vice presidency was almost one last sinecure for the patriarch, so close
to the office he had sought for so long and which had always eluded him.
Besides, by that time, power within the Oligarchy (or perhaps that should be
"Oilgarchy") was shifting to George Bush the First, who even then epitomized
the permanent government... (See Trevanian's *Shibumi* for some trenchant
comments on the role of Big Oil in "public affairs.")

 -Original Message-
 From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 5:17 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue "Failure"

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 In a message dated 99-11-18 12:01:43 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Intriguing. But my point about an Oligarch actually running the country
 directly is still, I think, accurate...Nixon hardly qualified as a member
 of
 the Oligarchy, even though he might have liked to think of himself that
 way.
 He was recruited, guided, and controlled every step of the way.

 True, not an "oligarch."  Now, how about "vice president" Nelson
 Rockefeller?



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Re: [CTRL] Top 25 Most Evil People of the Millennium

1999-01-17 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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 Top 25 Most Evil People of the Millennium
  According to the NYPost Poll Conducted
 from 9/30/99-11/1/99 Among NYPost.com Users 

Isn't it strange?  No one even noticed the escalation of the War in Vietnam.
All those poor dead GIs, and no one even thinks it was a bad thing.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Newshawk: How NTSB Can Pull Off Batouty Scenario

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 11.17.99
 How NTSB Can Pull Off Batouty Scenario

 For those who are wondering how the Egyptians, etc. could have been
 bamboozled into
 believing what the NTSB and others NOW claim about Gameel el
 Batouty--these guys have technology that could make it seem like Minnie
 Mouse took control of the jet and also
 make her sound like Luciano Pavarotti.

 And DON'T FORGET: the cockpit voice recorder brought to Washington D.C.
 on Sunday Nov. 17 which is now being played for Egyptians is almost
 certainly NOT the actual cockpit recorder from Fl. 990, which we KNOW
 was recovered within 48 hours of the crash.

 NewsHawk® Inc.

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[CTRL] Newshawk: NTSB's Latest Fairy Tale Slanders Dead Pilot


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 © 1999 NewsHawk® Inc.

 Ever since EgyptAir Fl. 990 mysteriously "went down" 33 minutes out of
 New York on Oct. 31, the NTSB and other government officials have been
 floating an incredible, ever-changing array of "explanations" and
 scenarios about the crash: better described as fairy tales. It seems as
 though every time one turns around a new, different scenario as to what
 caused the jet's destruction is made public. We've completely lost count.

 Never before in the history of aviation disasters have so many varied
 and conflicting explanations been proffered and then withdrawn by
 official investigators, to be then replaced by yet another "explanation".


 OUR highly reliable sources tell us that the data AND cockpit voice
 recorders were recovered from the jet's wreckage within approximately 48
 hours of the crash, although (OF COURSE!) the public has not been told
 this.

 U.S. government officials instead claim they recovered the voice
 recorder Saturday, Nov. 13--nearly 2 weeks after the crash.

 However, the NTSB DID state UNEQUIVOCALLY on Sunday evening, Nov. 14,
 after they received the battered voice recorder in Washington (MINUS any
 identification markings which would definitely indicate it WAS the one
 from Fl. 990) and had done several analyses of the voices and sounds on
 the tape, that there WERE a number of scenarios which could at that time
 be COMPLETELY AND PERMANTENTLY DISCOUNTED, based on what was on the tape.

 The NTSB stated at THAT time--a MERE 3 days ago!--that ANY scenario such
 as a hijacking, a fight or struggle between crew members, a "suicide"
 dive initiated by a pilot or anything along those lines COULD BE RULED OUT.

 Less than 24 hours later, NewsHawk released our blockbuster article "Fl.
 990--What WE Know But Gov't Media Won't Say", which exposed the real
 cause of the crash as a double hit by a particle beam weapon followed by
 a missile strike. Simultaneously, the NTSB said that the investigation
 into the cause of the crash was going to be turned over to the FBI as a
 "CRIMINAL investigation".

 Yet by Tuesday afternoon, the federal government backpedaled furiously
 and stated that indeed the NTSB would remain in charge of the
 investigation after all!

 Whew!! Getting DIZZY yet, anyone?!

 Incredibly, just as NewsHawk was about to go on the air Tuesday night
 with Jeff Rense of Sightings to discuss the extraordinary evidence
 publicized in our article, the NTSB issued a statement which claimed
 that lo and behold, in COMPLETE and total contradiction to THEIR OWN
 STATEMENTS made on Sunday, there now suddenly WAS evidence on the
 cockpit voice recorder that one of the off-duty EgyptAir crew members
 aboard Fl. 990, Gameel el Batouty, entered the cockpit, asked to take
 control of the jet, and upon doing so initiated a suicidal, homicidal
 "death dive" which ended with the destruction of the jet as it plunged
 into the Atlantic Ocean.

 And we're supposed to BELIEVE this? AFTER the NTSB's own outright DENIAL
 on Sunday, Nov. 14 that ANY SUCH THING occurred?

 Whoa. HOLD it right there. Of course it's always easy to slander the
 dead, as they sure as hell can't defend themselves, but let's "look at
 the record" here a minute.

 Gameel el Batouty was a senior EgyptAir pilot with many years experience
 and an enviable record as a professional pilot that was absolutely
 untarnished in the slightest way. He had trained many pilots both for
 the Egyptian Air Force and for EgyptAir and was considered one of the
 very best in the business. He was widely considered to be not only an
 excellent pilot but a most decent, intelligent and respectable person
 who was well-liked and admired by all who knew him. What's more, Batouty
 was a devoted family man who was known to have loved his wife and young
 daughter deeply.

 Batouty's family in Egypt is shocked and outraged that this fine man's
 honor, reputation and legacy is being butchered and besmirched by liars
 and scoundrels in the U.S. government and are saying so loud and clear.

 Reacting to these claims that Batouty deliberated crashed the jet and
 killed 217 people, Batouty's wife Omayma Dahy said "I am more upset
 today than on the day he died. It's as if he died again today."

 Batouty's nephew Walid el Batouty stated, "There's one thing we know for
 sure with the history of this man, there's NO WAY he could ever do such
 a thing."

 According to other relatives, Batouty was a highly honorable man who had
 everything to live for; a person who could NEVER be responsible for
 sabotage, murder or suicide. Moreover, such an act of suicide would be
 severely contrary to the tenets of Islam and would literally be
 inconceivable to Batouty, a devout Muslim.

 How gross and evil of the heartless, miserable, cowardly cover-up agents
 and manipulators in our federal government, desperate for some half-way
 convincing

[CTRL] Newshawk: Grassroots Response to Gov't's 990 Lies


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 We just received this intelligent, substantive message from one of our
 respondents, which makes a wealth of very important points, and includes
 her statements as a witness to the fact that early news reports on the
 Fl. 990 crash said unequivocally the plane's HIGHLY irregular stop at
 Edwards Air Force Base east of Los Angeles WAS CONFIRMED.

 The Egyptian government and EgyptAir to this day have NEVER retracted
 their statements on this.

 Also included in the note reprinted below is an appraisal of the impact
 NewsHawk's blockbuster articles on the FL. 990 crash have been having on
 the local level here in the U.S. In short--WORD IS GETTING AROUND!!

 More than ever, it's time to TURN UP THE HEAT and put the pressure on
 even stronger to the murdering, corrupt, criminally insane lunatics who
 have commandeered the helm of the U.S. government in their insane quest
 for total global power.

 DON'T let them get away with this!

 Roast their sorry BUTTS! Make them squirm, make them crack!

 We can do it! WE ARE THE PEOPLE!!


 NewsHawk® Inc.

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 Subject: pressure valve...
 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:19:47 EST
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: NewsHawk


 John and Bob;
 This note is being sent to blow off steam that has been accumulating
 since flight 990 went down. Thanks for being the pressure valve!

 First of all, I was one of those people who was up early and heard the
 TV reporters speculating WHY the þight had landed (conÞrmed) at Edwards
 AFB. After going out that day I came back to updates which mentioned nothing
 of this. I didnt even hear about the EWR (Newark) story until the next
 day. Who knows where this plane lost 2:20 þight time? I have learned to pay
 CLOSE attention to the earliest reports of any incidents, since they are the
 closest to true investigative reporting, BEFORE they are scrutinized,
 sanitized and spun into the "ofÞcial reports."

 Then, when the next speculations came out about the Boeing reversers
 possibly being at fault, I was outraged! The plane was under water,
 there was NO corroborating evidence to even MAKE this allegation, and yet
 the press was publishing unsubstantiated, unveriÞed specualtion! This does
 not seem to be responsible journalistic reporting, it doesnt even seem up
 o standard for the tabloids, yet THERE IT WAS!

 I was curious as to how they would alter the facts to make this theory
 stick... [This theory is still hovering in the background. Today there was
 a report of a domestic -AA(?)767 that had reverser problems, and made an
 unscheduled landingI cant remember where.]

 Along THIS line of thought, I am wondering why the media is continually
 blasting Boeing they make a FAR superior product to ANY of the Airbus
 Industrie aircraft, both in durability and safety, yet it seems there is
 a PUSH to convince the public that Boeing is out and Airbus is in. (I do
 not know of any political/NWO reasons for this, do you?) For example, the
 747 fuel-tank spark story advocated in the TWA 800 case is SO very
 far-fetchedit is incredible what the public will swallow as long as
 it comes from ofÞcial sources.

 This investigation has been very interesting, due to the fact that the
 Egyptians will NOT accept the quick, pat answers that the US ofÞcials
 want to slap on the case (so we can move on to the next mass murder?).
 Hu-ray-y-y for them! My fear is that once they arrive, they will be
appropriately
 threatened / misinformed until they agree with whatever STUPID Þndings
 the FBI invents

 The MOST infuriating part of this "investigation" began when the news
 reported that the pilot was heard saying a PRAYER, and all HELL broke loose.

 Just because he didnt say "HOLY JESUS" or "MARY, MOTHER OF GOD, SAVE
 US!!" in ENGLISH, they are trying to FABRICATE a theory the public will
accept.
 Fortunately, so far the Egyptians are OUTRAGED and active. Even the
 timing of this prayer is problematic, since I have heard it reported
 that he said
 it at differing parts of the dive/descent. All I know is that ANY person who
 is religious, if placed in that situation (the
'oh-my-god-were-gonna-die-e-e'
 situation) would commend him/herself into Gods hands. WHATEVER this
 poor person said in prayer could have been twisted, edited and rewritten by
 the spin doctors in the time they had the recorders (especialy if they were
 picked up within 48 hours, as you have reported).


 One Þnal commentyour articles are deÞnitely getting around, which
 is probably why "THEY" are trying to stop you. Talk of your articles has
 even permeated the Middle and High Schools here! The students have been
 circulating your articles among themselves via e-mail, and actually
 DISCUSSING THEM!!!

 Thanks for keeping us up-to-date!
 AMM

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