[CTRL] Human resistance to antibiotics is a growing medical problem
-Caveat Lector- WASHINGTON, June 4 (UPI) - Human resistance to antibiotics is a growing medical problem and scientists are warning (Friday) the same antibacterial drugs fed to livestock as growth stimulants are making matters worse. The Union of Concerned Scient Friday, 4 June 1999 20:11 (GMT) (UPI Spotlight) WASHINGTON, June 4 (UPI) - Human resistance to antibiotics is a growing medical problem and scientists are warning (Friday) the same antibacterial drugs fed to livestock as growth stimulants are making matters worse. The Union of Concerned Scientists also is calling on the FDA to prohibit the use of antibiotics in animals for anything but medical purposes. Copyright 1999 by United Press International DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Say No New Oil Exploration / Artic Ocean!
-Caveat Lector- --Forwarded message from Global Response below Attn: Global Response QRN Members: Here is the text of an op-ed piece, based on Global Response Action #3/99 (No New Oil Exploration / Artic Ocean). Please use this as-is or edit it, and send it to your local and regional newspapers. Feel free to sign it with your own name. This is a great way to generate more public interest and activism on this issue. We need to influence the Boise Cascade Board of Directors' Meeting on April 16 -- so we've got to generate letters fast! Thanks for EVERYTHING you can do to help on this! -- Paula A Window of Opportunity Camera readers have an opportunity to help redirect current plans for a risky oil-drilling experiment in a biologically rich Arctic region. BP Amoco is building an offshore platform on an artificial island in the Beaufort Sea, north of Alaska. It plans to transport the oil to shore through an underwater pipeline a risky experiment never yet attempted in Arctic conditions. If allowed to proceed, the experiment, called the Northstar Project, would lead to the building of a string of oil wells across the Beaufort Sea, and the likely devastation of the area. This experiment poses a double threat. In the short term, oil spills threaten the fragile Arctic ecosystem and the native peoples who depend on them for their livelihoods. In the long term, continued use of fossil fuels will accelerate the global warming which is already happening and which poses the single most serious threat to life on the planet. Alaska Natives and Greenpeace are asking for help in persuading BP Amoco to abandon the Northstar Project, and to invest in developing renewable energy alternatives solar, wind, and waves. The Arctic is home to some of the worlds most distinctive mammals, millions of migratory and resident birds, a rich ice-edge community, and some of the worlds major fisheries. It is a biologically and culturally unique environment, and one of the last places on Earth where natural conditions still prevail over much of the region. The Arctic is also a region that is particularly vulnerable to human-induced climate change. Greenpeace gives these reasons to stop offshore oil development in the Arctic Ocean: 1) Global Warming. The Western Arctic, site of the Northstar Project, is already warming at least three times faster than the planet as a whole. The reduction of sea ice now occurring is a major threat to the Arctic food chain and to many unique Arctic species, including polar bears and walrus. If the world continues to burn even a fraction of the known reserves of coal, oil and natural gas, catastrophic climate change will result. If we are to maintain a life-supporting climate on the planet, the world cant afford to use all the oil reserves we already have. Further oil exploration must stop. 2. Dangerous Technology. Amoco would use untested and risky technology to transport oil ashore through a pipeline buried beneath the seabed. Sea ice in the region continually gouges the sea floor, raising serious concerns about the safety of the pipeline. The area is either frozen solid or in "broken ice" condition for about ten months each year. 3. Oil spill Danger. There is up to a 1 in 4 chance of a major spill over the life of the Northstar Project (The Trans-Alaska Pipeline has reported 624 spills since it opened in 1977). Any leak that occurs during the long, dark winter would likely go undetected until spring, and cleaning up an oil spill would be next to impossible during the "broken ice" conditions of spring and fall. A major spill could prove disastrous for the biologically-rich arctic ecosystem, especially the endangered bowhead whale, polar bears, ringed seals, sea ducks, and the Inupiat Eskimo communities. Global Response is a remarkably effective network that has exerted a powerful influence on a number of environmental issues. It works in partnership with indigenous, environmental, and peace and justice organizations around the world, and also works with elementary and high school students to enable them to influence these issues as well. Global Response is working with Greenpeace and others to coordinate efforts to redirect BP Amoco's activities in a less destructive direction. Camera readers can add their impact by writing the CEO to urge Amoco to abandon Northstar and all new oil exploration, and to lead the oil industrys transition toward renewable energy. It is also possible to join others in such efforts by joining Global Response. For more information, contact Global Response at 303/444-0306, or write to Global Response, P.O. Box 7490, Boulder CO, USA 80306-7490. Website: http://www.globalresponse.org --Arden Buck is a enthusiastic long-time supporter of Global Response. GLOBAL RESPONSE is an international letter-writing network of environmental activists. In partnership with indigenous, environmentalist and peace and
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- I feel sorry for you, MJ, if you equate humanitarian care for the elderly and the indigent with "stealing." We have a moral and ethical responsibility to care for one another. Why do I believe this is the best policy? Perhaps, it relates to centuries of social and cultural evolution. In the past, the tribe would finish off the old and elderly with a blow to the head, but I hope that we've moved beyond that level. Only an ethically challenged individual would not see the virtue of altruistic behavior. My claim still stands. Welfare cuts hurt children the most. Do some research on the subject. Speaking of welfare, have you studied the subject? Do you know anyone on welfare (uh...probably slim chance of that)? Outside of reading Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, and your usual right wing fare, have you ever journeyed into the heart of a housing project to see on a first hand basis just how well welfare recipients live? It's really shocking, MA. They're feasting on the fat of the land...living in opulence and luxury. Most of them drive Cadillacs and BMWsthen, of course, there's the testy problem of paying for their country club membership, ballet lessons for the kids, adding a bottle or two to the wine rack. And it's much worse. They send their kids to Harvard They take trips to Europe. ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR HARD-EARNED TAX DOLLARS!! Yes, it's thievery of the worst sort. regards, Wm On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: There's always a certain percentage of the population that is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc. MJ: Does this provide them with a 'special right' to steal from others or have their agent do so for them? As to 'healthcare' ... getting the government OUT of all facets will reduce the costs to 5-10% of current ... restrict Government to its Constitutional limitations and one effectively doubles their income ... this provides MORE resources which go farther to those who would prefer to spend other people's money on their pet causes -- in other words, this allows people to put THEIR money where their mouth is. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: First off, the government subsidizes businesses, bails out foreign despots around the world, while it simultaneously also does a splendid job of ensuring that those who have will get more This more spectacular "free ride" at taxpayer's expense tends to be ignored. MJ: This phenomenon is not limited to 'businesses', but *any* voting block which can ensure their [party/representaive] reign. Most of the quid pro quo is nowhere mandated, but the dumb masses fail to grasp those items necessary to make up the fourth branch of the government (educated electorate). William Hugh Tunstall wrote: The majority of welfare recipients are children. This is false. 33% of ALL government expenditures go to the elderly. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: They had the misfortune of being born to the wrong parents. MJ: Are you willing to advocate the correction of this 'misfortune' or do you prefer to grow it be 'rewarding' the undesired behavior? William Hugh Tunstall wrote: So, what's the answer? Well, it's definitely NOT more deregulation, MORE handouts for big business, and a "free ride" for the privileged classes in America. MORE "free trade" and MORE "open borders" will only continue to destroy us. MJ: In a word, bullshit. The solution ... in five words, 'get out of the way'. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: We need to change the political agenda and place American issues first on the list. MJ: Can you cite some examples/suggestions? Regard$, --MJ Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. -- Noah Webster DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Fwd: VOMIT 23/99
Looks like the Scots are on to Pat Robertson; he can not buy Ireland and he cannot buy Scotland.and Tony Blair will be run out on a rail along with Bill Clinton, wait and see Thank God the Scotsman is still a Scotsman, even though he does wear the kiltsevidently Pat Robertson does not understand, that even Braveheart and the great Bruce and all Clans, wear kilts, the dumb ass. Colleen Hope you are behaving yourself, Colleeen. VOMIT UK 23/99 Victims Of Masonic Ill-Treatment 5 June 1999 Anyone criticised or maligned in these publications has a guaranteed right of reply. JMF or P2 Lodge UK stands for the hierarchies of the Judaeo/Masonic Faction. The ordinary Mason and Jew are as likely to suffer from the machinations of the JMF as non-Masons and non-Jews are. REAR ADMIRAL PULVERTAFT AND DAVID ROGERS By coincidence the above named public servants wrote to us on 26 May. Both made false statements. Pulvertaft denies having ordered Demon Internet to close down our Web page.He is also upset because we published Ken Livingstone's statement world-wide. Rogers, is a nincompoop and Road Safety Adviser to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents. Both had better tidy up their acts before our next publication in which we hope also to deal with Jack Straw and blackmail. THE DEMON CENSORS We have reported how Demon closed down our Web page without specifying the complainers or the libels.It has just denied upwards of fifty subscribers access to News Groups again on specious grounds. One of its customers, an 8 year old boy, had never contacted a News Group. Nor had his computer been used by anyone else for that purpose. The 8-year-old boy is our grandson. Others have lodged complaints with Pulvertaft. Although they live in different locations in the UK Pulvertaft has given them the same reference numbers.Obviously censorship is being applied to people rather than to information.We had about ten attempts by the Labour Party to silence us before Demon pulled the plug.We have MI5 again compiling a list of undesirables and the Pulvertaft Committee ordering publishers to reject publications. WE WOULD APPEAL TO ALL USERS OF THE INTERNET TO HELP PUT DEMON OUT OF BUSINESS AS A WARNING TO OTHER INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS.We would appreciate this issue of VOMIT being posted to uk.legal, alt.freemasonry, uk.gov.local.Demon has denied us access to the News Groups. THE MASONS OF DORSET AGAIN Re: David Joannides, Dorset Director of Social Services. Re: David Jenkins, Dorset County Council Chief Executive. I regard it as my public duty to reveal that Dorset Director of Social Services, David Joannides is an untruthful, deceitful, misleading and evasive LIAR. I regard it as my public duty to reveal that Dorset County Council Chief Executive, David Jenkins is also an untruthful, deceitful, misleading and evasive LIAR. I have ample (documentary, written) proof to support the above statements. The next section is for those reading this on an Internet newsgroup and who have no knowledge of the background to this case... Brief Background: Since last year the Husband/Cavendish/Gratty families have been subjected to a disturbing and distressing ordeal as a result of Dorset County Council Social Services making numerous false allegations of (physical) child abuse by me towards my 15-year-old son Joseph Husband who lives with me. Other serious, false allegations have also been made by Dorset County Council and this situation is still on-going. The bulk of the false allegations were made under the protection of "qualified privilege" at a child protection conference held on Portland, Dorset on 2nd October 1998. I was given about 5 minutes notice of the allegations shortly before the conference started. [REMAINDER OF ARTICLE CUT - SHORTAGE OF SPACE] Yours sincerely,David Husband c.c by post to: 1. David Joannides, Director of Social Services, Dorset. 2. David Jenkins, Chief Executive, Dorset County Council. 3. Dan Menaldino, County Solicitor, Dorset County Council. 4. Grahame Chase, Dorset County Council Complaints Officer. 5. Cllr Trevor Jones, LibDem Leader of Dorset County Council. 6. Dr Geoff Tapper, Chairman of Dorset Social Services Committee, and former Tory Leader of Dorset County Council. 7. Cllr Ames, who has always supported me. 8-42+. Remaining 35+ members of Dorset County Council. 43-46. Sue Young, Peter Thomas, Tania Foley. David Husband, 51 High Street, Portland, Dorset, United Kingdom. Phone 0973 625969. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] + ADDITIONAL report from Gerald Coulter on 4 May 1999. ### That bastard David Jenkins is now Chief Executive of Dorset County Council. He was head of the legal department that defended the Chief Constable against my claim of negligence.The police refused to
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- There is no freedom of the press. The press is a corporate tool and so is the government. And they're the ones telling us guns are bad. Hmmmn. There are actually many people who come to their conclusions on their own. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] FAIR Media Advisory -- THEY CALL THIS VICTORY?
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:45:57 -0400 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: FAIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[FAIR-L] FAIR Media Advisory -- THEY CALL THIS VICTORY? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAIR-L Fairness Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports FAIR Media Advisory -- THEY CALL THIS VICTORY? Bombing "Success" Must Be Weighed Against Human Cost, Missed Chances for Peace June 4, 1999 Media commentators have been asserting that the Kosovo peace plan adopted June 3 by the Serbian Assembly vindicates NATO's airstrikes on Yugoslavia. A New York Times editorial (6/4/99) claimed the plan, if genuine, shows that NATO's "sustained bombing has been more effective than many critics allowed" and represents a "victory for the principles of democracy and human rights." The Washington Post's Stephen Rosenfeld wrote (6/3/99): "They said Bill Clinton was wrong to rely on air power alone to win the war, and -- assuming the details are mastered -- they were wrong This time around, anyway, he showed he was right. His weighing of means and ends finally clicked." USA Today's Walter Shapiro stated (6/4/99): "The record must show that Bill Clinton did the morally right thing. And if his efforts are crowned with a lasting peace in the Balkans, the president deserves the gratitude of all of us who doubted his resolve and courage." CNN's Christiane Amanpour (6/3/99) said that the "plan amounts to [Milosevic] accepting less than he would have come away with had he agreed several months ago at the Rambouillet talks." These interpretations are seriously misleading. Seventy days of bombing in the Balkans have brought an agreement from Yugoslavia whose terms, in many important respects, diverge little from those Yugoslavia accepted before the first shot was fired. To a great extent, an end to the war seems possible now not because massive bombing forced Yugoslavia to capitulate, but because the U.S. seems to be willing to drop conditions that it had previously insisted Belgrade must meet before bombing could be halted. Indeed, the media notion of Serb capitulation seemed to rely on a cue from NATO powers, as evidenced by this CNN report from correspondent Walter Rodgers (6/3/99): "It's difficult to say whether it's a capitulation. It really isn't even up for me to say that, that is something that has to be decided by someone like the president of the United States, Britain's prime minister, Mr. Blair." MISSED OPPORTUNITIES At Rambouillet, before the bombing began, Yugoslavia had agreed to almost all the points that are contained in the June 3 Serbian Assembly resolution, including autonomy for Kosovo. (See "Forgotten Coverage of Rambouillet Negotiations: Was a Peaceful Kosovo Solution Rejected by the U.S.?," FAIR Media Advisory, 5/14/99.) A major point insisted on by the U.S. at Rambouillet -- a referendum on Kosovo's independence after three years -- is now absent from the Serb Assembly decision, without audible complaint from U.S. officials. What Yugoslavia rejected at Rambouillet was the idea of a NATO-led force in Kosovo, proposing instead a U.N. command. It also objected to a last-minute addition to the agreement known as Appendix B, which would have given NATO sweeping powers throughout all of Yugoslavia. There is strong evidence that the U.S. intentionally crafted this document to provoke a rejection from the Serbs. (See "What Reporters Knew About Kosovo Talks--But Didn't Tell," FAIR Media Advisory, 6/2/99.) A State Department official reportedly told journalists at Rambouillet (Cato Institute conference, 5/18/99; see also The Nation, 6/14/99): "We intentionally set the bar too high for the Serbs to comply. They need some bombing, and that's what they are going to get." After two and a half months of that bombing, the Serb parliament agreed to a peacekeeping force "under U.N. auspices" in which there would be "essential NATO participation." This language is only slightly different from the Yugoslavian position at Rambouillet, and there are suggestions that Belgrade was willing to accept such a compromise peacefully (Newsweek, 4/12/99). THE PRICE What was the price of the failure to reach an agreement at Rambouillet? 800,000 Kosovars have fled the province since the start of the bombing; many will never return to homes that are now destroyed. According to the Pentagon, the bombing killed 5,000 Yugoslavian soldiers, while Belgrade reports that NATO killed 1,200 civilians. The U.S. State Department claims that upwards of 4,600 Albanians have been killed by Yugoslavia since NATO announced bombing plans; if all of these are non-combatants, then several hundred if not thousands of Kosovo Liberation Army
[CTRL] new web site being built orginization of data
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~mdars/ken/imptech2.htm"http://members.tripod .com/~mdars/ken/imptech2.htm /A A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~mdars/meth/gut.htm"http://members.tripod.com /~mdars/meth/gut.htm /A A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~mdars/meth/meth.htm"http://members.tripod.co m/~mdars/meth/meth.htm /A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] sacraments [was: Skeptic News - Friday #2]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Rasmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Fancy Converting To Christianity Over A Beer? LONDON (Reuters) http://news.excite.com/news/r/990603/17/odd-britain-pub They used to resort to murder and treats of murder to win convicts, now they are resorting to making people less aware through drugs to achieve the same means. Mind-altering sacraments have been employed for millennia by participants [Players] of belief systems [Games] to accentuate the ecstatic experience, to realize the claims of their doctrines [Game Rules]. Drink enough of the sacramental wine, you'll see Jeezus. Southwestern US Indians dosed- up with datura [Jimson Weed] to successfuly invoke an Alternate Reality. Soma [probably Fly Agaric mushrooms], peyote, many other hallucinogens, have been prescribed by Game Masters since before recorded history. If the Xians mentioned in the news story were serious, they'd use heroin. Besides religious Games, many political economic artistic athletic Games also use drugs to entice recruits. Such promised treats are much more enticing than threats of murder for gaining adherants, but may not be as effective as implants, mind-control rays and lifelong programming. Videogames show great promise, with their ability to alter human brain chemistry, generating endorphins and energy flows that reward particular behaviors and thought-patterns. Look closely at the political/religious elements within Nintendo and Sony Playstation software, eh? ( When will the cowards doing archeological and theological research come out of the closet and let them know what they really worship?) Sorry, that's not in the Game Rules for that particular Game. : How much alcohol would you need to imbibe to abandon your belief system? about as much beer as would be needed to make me a permanent mental vegetable! Use tequila, you won't have to piss quite so often. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More on Racial Profiling
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: I find it interesting that Williams does NOT ask WHY D.C. is filled with "black thugs." snip The blame-game is a tricky affair. First off, we have to ask ourselves exactly why it is that we live in a country in which crime is an acceptable way of life for so many citizens? MJ: When the government desires to act as parent and sets the example ... the immorality problem in this country is the legalized theft, rape and enslavement of a once free nation. With freedom/liverty/equality and its resulting prosperity comes responsibility ... no greater efforts have been exerted than those to remove consequence and accountability. Regard$, --MJ Responsibility by definition means answerable or accountable for. And what is a person responsible for? Everything he thinks, says or does. Why? Because no matter what or whom one can blame for the circumstances of his life, he is still stuck with the consequences of everything he thinks, says or does. People can be terribly unreliable but never irresponsible. Thus there is no way a person can be irresponsible because everyone is answerable or accountable for everything he thinks, say or does, does not do or neglects to do. Until people fully realize that they are totally responsible for their lives, we as a society collectively will be operating under a false and distorted assumption of what responsibility means. -- Sidney Madwed DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] To Tell the Truth
-Caveat Lector- From TheIndependent (UK) Study uncovers the truth about lying By Cherry Norton, Social Affairs Correspondent One in 10 people who lie convince themselves that they are telling the truth, raising fears that some people are immune to lie detector tests and do not show the tell-tale signs of a liar. In two studies of 140 people, Dr Danielle Polage from the University of Washington has shown that people who have a good imagination can convince themselves, after they have been told to lie, that they are telling the truth. The findings, presented at the American Psychological Society annual conference in Denver, Colorado, show that for the majority of people, lying about an event strengthened their memory of the truth. However 10 per cent came to believe that the lied-about event was true and subsequently denied they were lying. "Lying is a form of imagination in which someone creates an alternative reality," said Dr Polage. "For some people the lie becomes so incorporated into their memory that they believe the lie. "People who make false confessions because they are tired or think they will get off more lightly, live with the lie for a period of time and have to repeat it. These finding show that for a significant proportion of people the lie becomes reality." People who repeatedly lie about an event, and are then faced with facts that prove they are lying, cannot admit it because they believe their version of events. These people will not display any of the body or facial movements that can betray a liar. Participants in the study were asked to fill in lifestyle questionnaires. They were asked whether they had ever been lost in a public place, approached by a scary stranger in a park, or bullied before they were 10 years old. A week later they were told to make up a story that would allow them to answer 'yes' to an event they said had not happened to them. Two weeks later they told their story to a researcher, who asked them detailed questions. They filled in the questionnaires again one week and five weeks later. Fifty-five per cent had become more confident in the truth of their initial answers, 28 per cent remained the same and 25 per cent were influenced by their own lies. Ten per cent became completely convinced that their lied-about event was true. "Time had no impact on their lied-about event. In each study, one in ten people were absolutely convinced that their lies were true," said Dr Polage. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Marilyn Manson on Littleton....
-Caveat Lector- This from another list, but interesting. Do the media/politicians need to scapegoat SOMEONE for what, in essence is a random act of criminal behaviour??? ANd one that can't easily be blamed on ANY one factor??? H... Bill. Here's Marilyn's statement about Littleton...very thoughtful, wouldn't you say? I had no idea he had a brain!! ~Marcus -Original Message- It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue. A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols. We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity. When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt. Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar. Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old
[CTRL] 10th Anniversary
-Caveat Lector- From TheIndependent (UK) Tiananmen ten years on - 70,000 in Hong Kong protest By Stephen Vines in Hong Kong WHILE security forces on the Chinese mainland ensured there would be no mass gathering to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre yesterday, officials in Hong Kong did nothing to stop the traditional rally marking the event. However, Hong Kong authorities remain unhappy at this mass display of defiance and banned 11 exiled dissidents from entering the territory to take part. "In [China's] 9 million square miles, this is the only place you can hold an open rally," said Szeto Wah, a leader of Hong Kong's democracy movement. The Tiananmen anniversary rally is an annual event in Hong Kong and yesterday's candlelit vigil was the biggest yet. Organisers claimed an attendance of 70,000, with numbers swelled because of the significance of the 10th anniversary. The mood was sombre as people of all ages and social classes listened to speeches, sang patriotic songs and shouted slogans denouncing the government in Peking. Many of the participants had not attended any of the previous rallies. The Democratic Party leader, Martin Lee, said: "I'm happy to see so many parents bringing their young children to pass on to the next generation the truth about the massacre." Although emotions ran high at the vigil, opinion polls suggest that a growing number of people - albeit a minority -would prefer to put Tiananmen behind them. The Hong Kong government is committed to introducing anti-subversion legislation, which would probably outlaw rallies such as yesterday's, but it is proceeding with caution because of the backlash such laws would provoke. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 1999 BILDERBERG SUMMIT OPENS
-Caveat Lector- From: Dan S |XX|dan|XX|@southeast.net Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.politics.yugoslavia,alt.fan.art-bell Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: 1999 BILDERBERG SUMMIT OPENS Source: The News Weekly (Portugal) http://www.the-news.net/ and http://www.the-news.net/archives/bilburg05-6.htm Bilderberg - 'summit' opens in Sintra under massive security SAMPAIO ATTENDS SINTRA SUMMIT A massive security operation was launched in Sintra on Wednesday, in preparation for the arrival of some of the world's most powerful people. A special unit from the PJ (Judicial Police) was reported to be sweeping Penha Longa for listening devices late Wednesday. A film crew from the UK's Channel 4 were being trailed by a team of plain clothes police and security men after they attempted to film inside the hotel on Tuesday afternoon. Veteran Washington reporter and Bilderberg specialist Jim Tucker, a regular and unwelcome visitor at Bilderberg conferences since 1980, is also under constant surveillance. He told The News that he was spotted near the hotel by the Bilderberg security team. Since the Bilderberg meeting was first revealed by The News on May 1, scooping the world's media, the internet site of The News has been experiencing unprecedented international interest. In the last four days the site has accumulated over 368,000 hits, being linked to some of the largest media sites on the net. Only on Wednesday did the Portuguese media start to comment on the upcoming 'summit' in Sintra, despite the fact that the Portuguese press agency LUSA had alerted them to the story in The News four weeks ago. Much of the information now being published is relying heavily on The News reporting of this event over its last five issues. Guests confirmed by the Bilderberg Meeting to The News on Thursday morning included in alphabetical order; Pinto Balsemão, Conrad Black, Kenneth Clarke, João Cravinho, Paulo Fresco, Marçal Grilo, Richard Holbrooke, Henry Kissinger, Peter Mandelson, Vasco de Mello, Murteira Nabo, Her Majesty Queen of the Netherlands, David Oddsson, David Rockefeller, Richardo Salgado, President Jorge Sampaio, Rudolf Scharping. The Bilderberg wall of silence suffered substantial damage this week. The Edinburgh based Sunday Herald, WorldNetDaily and the famous Drudge Report all commented on the rendezvous of world leaders currently taking place in Sintra. The Scottish Sunday Herald published the story (May 30) and the internationally-respected WorldNetDaily led with the agenda linking directly to The News site. The Portuguese national radio station, RFM, reported on Wednesday the expected presence of Bill Clinton who, they reported, would be unaccounted for over this weekend. The Sunday Herald said in its article: "Every year the international media competes to be the first to reveal the location and agenda for the conference". The Herald continued by saying: "The winner of the Bilderberg scoop this year was a Portuguese newspaper, The News, which boasts that it is the country's largest-circulation English language newspaper. It has published the location and the detailed agenda of the conference". Público refers to a "Lusa News Agency alert" quoting a newspaper, 'The News'. The BBC Worldwide Monitoring Service this week printed a text of a report by the Yugoslav News Agency, Tanjug, which said the plan to bring about a Balkan Vietnam was drawn up secretly back in 1996 and reactivated at a meeting of the Bilderberg Group held in Scotland last year, citing the May 27 edition of the Yugoslav newspaper "Vojska". Vojska said that a thorough investigation conducted by independent US journalists had disclosed that the group members included David Rockefeller, Giovanni Agnelli, Helmut Kohl, Lord Peter Carrington, Queen Sophia of Spain, Valery Giscard D'Estaing, Baron Rothschild, Margaret Thatcher, Lord Robert Owen and Henry Kissinger. The newspaper claimed that US journalists had disclosed that the Bilderberg Group had in fact made plans for the "third Balkan war" in this century. Under the plan, drawn up at a session chaired by Lord Carrington, the first move was to be to try and arrest "war criminals from among the Serbs" with extensive help of the Hague tribunal, set up for that very purpose. The move was to provoke a stormy reaction by Serbs, which was to be used as a pretext for a military intervention. However, developments prevented the idea from being translated into practice, which required a reserve variant - the fanning of interethnic conflicts in Kosovo-Metohija. All indications are that a group is now going back to the original variant, the outcome of which is the indicting of Yugoslav officials by the Hague tribunal, said the newspaper. According to the same scenario, Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Russia and Turkey are to be drawn into the war, in addition to Yugoslavia, with Nato adding fuel to the fire. In yet another 'extraordinary coincidence' one of the items
[CTRL] Fw: What's New for Jun 04, 1999
-Caveat Lector- WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Jun 99 Washington, DC 1. MIR: PLUG PULLED AFTER BRITISH BILLIONAIRE BUNGLES BAILOUT. In a last desperate bid to save the wobbly spacecraft, Russia agreed to let Peter Llewellyn play cosmonaut if he would pay for the training and round up investors willing to lay out $100M to get first crack at all the research results, like well that was the problem. Industry likes to be paid to build space stations, but who would invest in one? Mir will be abandoned in August because no one could think of anything useful to do with it and it's being replaced by a bigger and more expensive version. 2. ISS: AT LEAST IT WAS QUIETER ON MIR. The International Space Station reached a milestone it's had its first repair mission. It was not entirely successful. Astronauts did fix the broken radio and replace the flawed battery packs, but they had to wear ear plugs while they worked because of a noisy fan a fan that must run 24 hours a day. They tried wrapping the fan in foam, and thought maybe it was a bit better. But even at the slightly reduced level, the ISS crew will be required to wear ear plugs. 3. HYPERDRIVE: "STAR WARS PROPULSION DRIVE SOARS TOWARD REALITY." A May 18 NASA press release from the Marshall Space Flight Center explains that the "hyperdrive" in Star Wars gets its punch from fusion, so NASA's busy developing fusion propulsion at Marshall. "Achieving the level of technology portrayed in Star Wars is quite a challenge," according to an MSFC official, who said it would also require "overcoming the physical limitations of space itself in order to travel faster than the speed of light." As soon as they take care of the fan they'll get right on it. 4. SHIFTING PARADIGMS: SOCIETY FOR SCIENTIFIC EXPLORATION MEETS. Yes folks, it's going on right now in Albuquerque, with talks on Newton vs Einstein (Newton wins), alien abductions, evidence of a human consciousness field in World Cup soccer and, of course, cold fusion. A major theme of the meeting is "the Suppression of New Science." So far, the best quote came after an invited talk attacking Darwinism. Asked what the benefits to society would be if "intelligent design" won acceptance, the speaker solemnly explained that, "We could avoid wasting time looking for natural explanations where none exist." It's that kind of meeting. 5. COX REPORT: ONE MORE PLOT TWIST. In addition to the reasons listed in WN (WN 27 May 99), Randolph Herber at Fermilab points to another reason why China would let the CIA know they had stolen our secret: the data was real - they knew it, we knew it - but China wanted the US to plug the holes in security before others got the same information. Now that everyone is on record, expressing shock and outrage, the discussion should return to the hard reality - you can't keep secrets forever so we better focus on nonproliferation and get on with CTBT. THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY (Note: Opinions are the author's and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990605a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No vegetarians were devoured during the production of this bulletin. Yum. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ UFOs and JFK - The Conspiracy Question. Newly-released documents revealing what actually happened to President Kennedy's original casket may give some conspiracy theorists something new to talk about. The truth is out there: Richard Belzer's book, "UFOs, JFK, and Elvis: Conspiracies You Don't Have to be Crazy to Believe", explores assassinations, extra-terrestrials and other questionable phenomena. Get a clue... JFK was a plot, there are aliens among us, and Elvis Lives! http://www.jeffrense.com/ufo3/ufojfk.htm : Why did Nixon name Elvis as an honorary drug-control agent? What're really in Elvis', Nixon's, JFK's and LBJ's coffins? Were Warren Commissioners ETs? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Magazine lists Europe royal riches. LONDON (AP) EuroBusiness magazine has ranked Britain's royal family as the third-richest in Europe, but Buckingham Palace said the calculations were "overblown." The article puts the royals in tiny Liechtenstein at the top of the rich list, with $5.2 billion, followed by Luxembourg at $4.8 billion, then Britain at $4.2 billion. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559794211-ad9 : How much hidden wealth do royals control? How many royal families could Bill Gates purchase? What're the links between monarchy and crop circles? # CLINTON APPOINTS FIRST OPENLY GAY AMBASSADOR - Hormel does Luxembourg: http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/04/hormel/index.html : What are the links between Euro royals, Hormel meats [SPAM!], and UFOs? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CHILLY FORECAST. Worried about global warming? Maybe you should be. We may actually be in the early stages of a new ice age. Bundle up real warm now, y'hear? http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/story/20030.html # Scientists predict NYC storm surges. BOSTON (AP) New York City may suffer repeated huge storm surges if the sea rises as expected during the coming century. Seven-foot surges, now predicted for once every 100 years, may come every 40 years at best and every 4-5 years at worst. Such surges could break through barrier islands and flood low-lying parts of the metropolitan area. Much of Manhattan is within 10 feet of sea level. How long can you tread water? http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559802651-eb3 : Whose weather-modification program is drowning Manhattan? Who'll benefit from global inundation or ice ages? Are alien technologies being employed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # RUSSIA SAYS IT CAN'T GUARANTEE SAFE LANDING FOR MIR. The Mir space station could crash on land when it is abandoned because Russia does not have enough money to guide Mir's descent. The 130-ton Mir is tentatively scheduled to be discarded early next year. Ground controllers hoped to direct the station -- which would turn into a firebomb in the atmosphere -- over a desolate area in the ocean and let it fall into the water. Or they might aim it at Miami or Berlin: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9906/04/mir.crash.ap/index.html : Where would you like to see Mir crash? Will terrorists hijack Mir and hold America hostage? Are you in the Mir-takeover plot? Who are your masters? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # 'WELLS' SPOTTED ON THE MOON. A mapping mission in 1998 showed previously overlooked craters on the Moon that could contain water. Could this be an important step toward Moon colonization? What'll happen to land prices? http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20019.html *** Life on Jovian moon unlikely. LOS ANGELES (AP) - Jupiter's moon Europa probably could not support life because oceans beneath the frozen surface could barely support single-cell organisms let alone complex species, say researchers. Some scientists had suggested oceans exist beneath the frozen surface on Europa, boosting theories that life could develop on Jupiter's fourth-largest moon. The ocean theory was suggested by data from NASA's Galileo spacecraft. But a layer of ice at least 6 miles deep blocks the sun's life-sustaining energy from the water, according to a new paper. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559796207-4a9 : Why is Europan life being covered-up? Who gains by this suppression? Is the coverup a justification to mine Europan ice for human space colonies? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ True Modern Heroic Stories: http://www.HeroicStories.com @ Nonproliferation and International Security (NIS), Los Alamos National Lab (LANL): http://nis-www.lanl.gov/ and http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/nis/ @ Recent UFO Sightings In Scotland: www.jeffrense.com/ufo3/scotufo.htm # LATEST MEDIA ATTENTION RENEWS WORLDWIDE FASCINATION WITH "MIRACLE GIRL" AUDREY SANTO:
[CTRL] CONtrails or Chemtrails?
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 99-06-04 13:18:34 EDT, you write:
All,
Input on the contrail topic from a patriot pilot. Not sure about the
extent of his own personal research on this topic, but he's a sharp fellow
and makes common sense observations from the viewpoint of a pilot. ICE
From: "CCW" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CONtrails or Chemtrails? Re: We're Here From the Govt.to
spray you?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:05:28 -0700
ICE,
I can't let this one go by. As you may or may not know, I'm a certificated
Airline Transport Pilot. I can tell you that there is no such thing as a
"normal" or "standard" contrail. Depending on the height of the aircraft and
the temperature of the air the aircraft is passing through, the contrail
could form at varying distances away from the rear of the engines, or not at
all.
I've looked at all of the pictures on the website for Mr. Clifford Carnicom.
Interestingly, the only aircraft depicted are twin-engine aircraft, which
perhaps include a Boeing 737, a Boeing 757 and the French produced Airbus.
The contrails in all of these pictures, while it "appears" to be emanating
from the tips of the horizontal stabilizer, is in reality the stream of
exhaust particulate being released from the two engines -- they line up
perfectly. That the horizontal stabilizer tips just happen to represent the
approximate spacing of the extended centerline of the exhaust trail is
clearly evident. Notice that Mr. Carnicom's first three pictures are
distorted? In two of the pictures, either someone has played with the
developing cycle in the darkroom (the grainy background), or the pictures
have been deliberately "doctored" to enhance the effect of the contrail
being made to appear as if it is being "sprayed" from the tips of the
horizontal stabilizer. NONSENSE!
Next time we have some clearer weather and cold temperatures aloft, spend
some time watching the sky. I can assure you that if you take the time, you
too will observe that the contrails appearing at varying distances. By the
way, Mr. Carnicom emphatically states that the three aircraft pictured in
the first part of his website are in fact "Chemplanes". I recognize one of
the aircraft as being a commercial passenger plane in the paint scheme of
either United Airlines or British Airways.
There are numerous high-altitude jet routes above Sante Fe, New Mexico. In
all likelihood, these aircraft are commercial passenger jets overflying and
transiting Sante Fe enroute to their final destination. A little listening
on the aircraft radio frequencies would probably prove what I'm saying here,
that this is nothing more than someone's fantasy. Might I suggest.
Gee, I wish I had thought of this: "Contrails from engines, chemtrails come
from nozzles". I wonder if Mr. Carnicom has ever looked at the rear of a jet
engine. It is sort of like a big nozzle. And if you look at the size of the
contrails immediately as they've formed, you'll notice that they form in a
tapered shape - from about the size of the rear opening of the engine and
then "plume". All of these pictures represent what are normal, everyday
"contrails". That they are somehow "chemtrails" and that these pictures are
"evidence" is pure lunacy. I think Mr. Carnicom has been CONfused by all of
the CONtrails over Sante Fe, and appears to be on his own little mission of
paranoia.
/s/ John R. Prukop/ATP
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.cspan.org/ 02:30pm to 05:00pm ET 11:30am to 02:00pm PT LIVE Rally Anti-War Demonstration Emergency Mobil. to Stop the War Washington, DC ID : 124456 Length : 2 hr 30 min Event date : 06/05/99 McKinney, Cynthia, U.S. Representative 1993-, D-GA Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Policy.com Special Edition: Introducing VoxCap.com - 6/4/99
-Caveat Lector- POLICY.COM POLICY UPDATE: SPECIAL EDITION Introducing VoxCap.com Dear Policy.com Reader: We are pleased to tell you about our newest web site, VoxCap.com, located at http://www.voxcap.com. VoxCap.com is the hub of a new policy and politics network that includes Policy.com and our sister sites, IntellectualCapital.com and CongressVote.com. VoxCap.com integrates politics and policy news and information, commentary, and legislative issue coverage from our existing sites, and adds member-generated clubs, newsletters and discussion to create a dynamic, ever-evolving community of interactivity, debate and action. VoxCap.com is free to use and simple to master. We hope you will visit and read about the issues, catch up on current events, create a club or just come by and relax in The Café. We created VoxCap.com with you, the engaged citizen, in mind, so take a look at http://www.voxcap.com and let us know what you think. Thank you, and Best Regards, The Policy.com Staff S u b s c r i p t i o n I n f o r m a t i o n This email is in response to your subscription to the Policy.com PC Update. Thank you for subscribing. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please click on the link below (you may have to copy and paste the entire link into your Internet browser): http://www.policy.com/pupdate.html This is an automatically generated email. Please do not reply to this message. If you have any problems or questions with PC Update, email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990605b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No lacto-ovo-vegans were consulted during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # PINNING DOWN ACUPUNCTURE. Acupuncture gets a boost in its struggle to be recognized as a legitimate medical treatment for disease. A new report shows the treatment clearly has positive effects. Leeches are good too. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20020.html # BODY PIERCING RISKIER FOR HEART PATIENTS. People with congenital heart disease are at greater risk of developing potentially deadly infections when they have body parts pierced, including their ears, nose, navel, lips: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/heart/9906/03/health.piercing.reut/ : Should heart patients have acupuncture? Do you want acupunctural body piercings? Should they be electrified? Does acupuncture harm your implants? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # GERMANY ENDORSES STRONG CRYPTO. The German government encourages companies and citizens to use and develop strong data scrambling technologies to help shield the nation from prying eyes and ears. How much privacy is enough? http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/20023.html # CALIF. GOVERNOR ORDERS AGENCY NOT TO SELL CONFIDENTIAL WAGE INFORMATION. Gov. Gray Davis prohibits selling confidential personal income data on Cali- fornians to private firms, saying the state "has a responsibility to protect the privacy" of its citizens. A little known state law allows private firms to purchase salary information maintained on about 14 million residents. http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/05/calif.income.privacy/ : What secrets should/can/will you keep? Do you own your information? How can you protect your privacy from governments, aliens, corporations, me? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Ancient City found on Mars! This Mars Global Surveyor image from orbit 35, image 6, lower part, contains possible evidence of the remains of the ruins of an ancient city in the North Hebes Chasma area of Mars. Twelve anomalies are annotated in this image. Additional anomalies will be identified over the next few days. http://www.anomalous-images.com/mgs/newcity.html : What's your favorite Martian city? Does the subway run on time? Are the muggers bad? Is the city abandoned? Did "suburban flight" go interplanetary? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ SPACE WARP. I show how a minor modification of the Alcubierre geometry can dramatically improve the total energy requirements for a "warp bubble" that can be used to transport macroscopic objects. A spacetime is presented for which the total negative mass needed is only in the order of grams, accompa- nied by a negligible amount of positive energy. This constitutes a reduction of the absolute value of the energy by 65 orders of magnitude. The new geom- etry satisfies the quantum inequality concerning WEC violations and exhibits the same advantages as the original Alcubierre spacetime. Prepare to transit the wormhole: http://xxx.uni-augsburg.de/abs/gr-qc/9905084 : Have you designed/built/tested a spacewarp drive lately? Share it with us? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 4 Jun 99 Washington, DC 1. MIR: BAGGED AFTER BRIT BILLIONAIRE BUNGLES BAILOUT. In a last desperate bid to save wobbly Mir, Russia agreed to let Peter Llewellyn play cosmonaut if he'd pay for training and dig up investors willing to pony-up $100M for first crack at all the research results, like... well that's the problem. Industry likes to be paid to build space stations, but who would invest in one? Mir will be abandoned because no one could think of anything useful to do with it and it's being replaced by a bigger and more expensive version. 2. ISS: AT LEAST IT WAS QUIETER ON MIR. The International Space Station hit a milestone: its first repair mission, not entirely successful. Astronauts did fix the broken radio and replace the flawed battery packs, but they had to wear ear plugs while they worked because of a noisy fan... a fan that must run 24 hours a day. They tried wrapping the fan in foam, and thought maybe it was a bit better. But even at the slightly reduced level, the ISS crew will be required to wear ear plugs. Or play Jewell on the boombox. 3. HYPERDRIVE: "STAR WARS PROPULSION DRIVE SOARS TOWARD REALITY." A May 18 NASA blurb from Marshall SFC says "hyperdrive" in Star Wars gets its punch from fusion, so NASA's busy developing fusion propulsion at MSFC. "Achieving the level of technology portrayed in Star Wars is quite a challenge," says an MSFC official, who said it would also require "overcoming the physical limitations of space itself in order to travel faster than the speed of light." As soon as they take care of the fan they'll get right on it. 4. SHIFTING PARADIGMS: SOCIETY FOR SCIENTIFIC
Re: [CTRL] Congress Abdicates to Terrorism?
-Caveat Lector- If this is true it is all the more reason not to have a gun, but to have several weapons and ammunition for each. Some of the socialist/marxist/communists may think it is good to have government telling them what to do, but I say NO to these non-elected criminals in the government. I just wonder if these uninformed people are ever going to understand that Fascism is started under the auspices of altruism. This is fully documented in history, but with the dumbing-down of Americans and the socialist propaganda many may never see that they are party to the death of America and the rise of the New World Order with the iron boot on the face of mankind forever. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] William Jefferson Clinton:
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Hume) To get a better understanding of the traitor in the White House and those in the Congress, the Senate and other elective and appointed offices of those who have sworn to protect and to defend the Constitution, the following should be read and understood. In approximately 1350 words, it tells the people what is happening to their country and their freedom. Bill Clinton and approximately three hundred members of the Council on Foreign Relations have been stacking the deck against freedom - illegally. CHH. To get a better understanding and appreciation of our Constitution, one needs to travel back in time and into the very shoes of our Founding Fathers to realize the state of mind that they had and the reasons for drafting such a document. To be as accurate as possible I will refer to a well known document and that is "The Declaration of Independence 1776." One must read the entire document which is short and concise containing approximately 1350 words. I will, however, list a few facts directly from the document to give you an idea of the abuse and oppression they were under from the King of England. Quote--- - He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers. - He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. - He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. - He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislature. - He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. - He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation. - For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: - For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these States: - For cutting off our Trade from all parts of the world: - For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: - For depriving us in many cases, the benefits of Trial by Jury: - For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses: - For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Government: - He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. - He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. - He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. - He has excited domestic insurrections among us... - In every stage of these suppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms. Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990605c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No carnivorous invertebrates were flagellated to produce this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiBriefs: # Spirituality in the workplace. It gets hot in there, wearing that heavy suit of invisible armor many people climb into each morning before leaving for work. Some workers never seem to be able to take the armor completely off, building up emotional defenses that keep their true "personhood" at bay. If any: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,15301,00.html # Icons head home to Russia. In among the child pornography, illegal drugs and other contraband stored in Salt Lake City's U.S. Customs evidence vault are 34 icons depicting Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and various Russian Orthodox saints. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,15255,00.html? # Santeria stirs suspicions - and belief. Climb on the Internet, punch in the word "Santeria" and prepare for a tidal wave. Santeria (San-ter-EE-a), once a shadowy spiritual movement, is now a growing American religion found on nearly 2,000 Web sites. Santeria has become a force. Is it just like duct tape? http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,15300,00.html # Earth Day rites at school draw criticism. Plant a tree, make the world a better place. It may not sound like religious propaganda, but could it be? Get a grip. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,15291,00.html # LDS foundation donates $25,000 to Krishna temple. With a focus in recent months on building small temples worldwide, the LDS Church has had no lack of projects on which to spend money. Mormons are more open-minded than you thought, eh? http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,15292,00.html _ _ _ _ _ # DIGITAL CAMPFIRE TALES. An artist wraps technology around the age-old practice of storytelling, in a performance benefiting a group for art and science. www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/20034.html # NEITHER ART NOR PORN. Skinonskinonskin, an online event spawned by the enigmatic Hell.com site, is soon to be available as a pay-per-view multi- media experience. But it's not for everyone. Especially not poor folks. www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/culture/story/19908.html # ADULT SITES 'GET' THE WEB. Now you've got an excuse to visit Persian Kitty. New Media pros meet to discuss adult sites making money on the Net. www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/culture/story/19930.html # Yanks want sex ed. WASHINGTON (AP) A survey suggests Americans reject the debate between teaching abstinence and sex education. They want both. Ambiguous: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559784776-3dd _ _ _ _ _ # ROBOT TO MONITOR CHERNOBYL. The US sends a robot to the Ukraine to monitor a dangerous room near the core of the meltdown. The remote-control machine will spare humans the task of analyzing the structural damage. 'Bot torture: www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/technology/story/19931.html # Shuttle launches 'disco ball'. (BBC) The space shuttle Discovery has launched a spinning mirrored ball which will reflect light visible on Earth. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/iss/newsid_361000/361661.stm # Predicting monsoons. (BBC) Scientists say they might soon be able to fore- cast monsoon rains like those that brought heavy flooding to Asia last year. Dry out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_361000/361632.stm # International interest in marijuana inhaler. (BBC) There now is growing interest in giving marijuana to patients suffering from painful long-term illnesses in an asthma inhaler-like device. Personally, I prefer brownies or soup: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_361000/361181.stm # NO MORE MICKEY MOUSE RESEARCH. Identical mice react differently to identi- cal laboratory conditions, leading scientists think that genes aren't always destiny. www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20028.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiProgs: * BOUNCE SPAM MAIL. Fool those spam mailers. Send a fake bounce message back to them, making their targeted mailing list manager think your address was invalid. Works in a lot of cases where you can't get to the real sender of the message. http://www.pcworld.com/r/shw/1%2C2087%2C5402%2C00.html * GHOST MAIL. Send mail or newsgroup messages with near-complete anonymity. Just set up your rules for fields, copy and paste for your recipient list if necessary, and post quietly and with little risk to your email box's integrity. http://www.pcworld.com/r/shw/1%2C2087%2C5198%2C00.html * HOTMAILER 98. Use this add-on to your HotMail mailbox account to turn the Web-based e-mail system into a full-fledged e-mail program, complete with Read and Reply functions. Your HotMail account will continue to use the
[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Friday, June 4, 1999
-Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for June 4, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S AANEWS #582 ~~ 6/4/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights And The Separation Of State and Church" -- In This Issue... * Robertson bank deal "good as dead" * Commission faults Judge Moore * Wait hits Columbine hysteria * Resources * About this list... ROBERTSON DEAL IN TROUBLE? BANK OF SCOTLAND MAY SCUTTLE AFTER "DARK COUNTRY," GAY REMARKS The Bank of Scotland may sever a deal with Pat Robertson after the American televangelist described Scotland as a "dark country" overrun by gays. This comes after revelations that Robertson was expanding his international financial interests by organizing a Cayman Islands-based corporation to mine gold in Liberia, where human rights advocates have criticized the regime of President Charles Taylor. In March, the prestigious Bank of Scotland announced that it was entering into a partnership with Robertson to provide on-line and telephone-based financial services to American customers. Robertson had reserved the name "Bank Direct USA," and the venture was to be promoted on the NASDAQ exchange with an Initial Public Offering (IPO) potentially worth "billions of dollars" according to financial sources. Bank of Scotland was to have a 60% share in the action, with Robertson taking a one-fourth interest. The remainder was to have gone to a Milwaukee firm that would have handled all processing transactions. News reports said that Robertson was investing $50 million in the new business; he praised the new Bank of Scotland deal saying that the institution "could be assured that with me it would be a runaway success..." But last week, fortunes for Robertson began to unravel. AANEWS reported earlier this week that major customers of Bank of Scotland were severing their ties, or about to do so. In what the Observer and Guardian newspapers described as "the first major blow," the powerful Trades Union Congress of the U.K. announced its decision to take it business elsewhere, and specifically protested the bank's new business relationship with Robertson. Other charitable groups were contemplating similar action, and the bank had reportedly lost hundreds of small individual accounts in protest of the new deal. Gay and progressive groups, members of the Scottish parliament and even some church organizations were also taking issue with having one of that nation's leading financial establishments enter into an agreement with the controversial founder of Christian Coalition. Now, word of Robertson's comments on a May 18 broadcast of his "700 Club" television program has surfaced, and may sink this deal. According to transcripts, Robertson -- a former Southern Baptist minister -- remarked: "In Europe, the big word is tolerance. Homosexuals are riding high in the media ... And in Scotland, you can't believe how strong the homosexuals are. It's just unbelievable... It's kind of frightening to look at that great Christian history of a nation like (Scotland) and to see the lack of depth in there..." Robertson added, "And as far as the vestiges of John Knox and some of these heroes, I don't think it exists any more. And what could happen? It (Scotland) could go right back to the darkness very easily." American news reports are tentative in claiming that the deal between Bank of Scotland and Robertson is off. British media, however, are reporting that the Bank does intend to end ties with the American preacher. Ausland Cramb, Scotland correspondent with the Daily Telegraph said that that financial institution "is expected" to dissolve the relationship; a Reuters news dispatch is headlined "Bank of Scotland to end Robertson deal." The Telegraph adds that Bank of Scotland executive Peter Burt flew to the U.S. yesterday and is expected to meet with Robertson later this afternoon to officially cancel the banking teal. Sources claimed that the arrangement was "as good as dead," and cited Robertson's May 16 broadcast, and the growing clamor from human rights, gay and other organizations as the reason. One critic was Most. Rev. Richard Holloway, the Episcopal Bishop of Edinburg; another speaking out against the internet banking deal with Andre Wilson, Member of the Scottish Parliament who denounced Robertson's statements and noted, "We cannot allow these views, which are utterly discriminatory, to be associated in any way with our new parliament." Bill Spears, spokesman for the Trade Union Council, told reporters, "We believe his (Robertson's) gratuitous and offensive attacks on Scotland and its people reinforce the message we have already given to the
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-Caveat Lector- From an anonymous Supporting Subscriber to the Project: "I think one result of the Serb War will be the return of Royalty that was in exile. (Their Prince is residing in London.) About a year ago, another Prince returned to Albania, coincidental with the arrival of UN troops. "Many of these exiled Royals are on record as ready to return to their countries, but not as private citizens. They expect to return to their thrones. "Caesarism is definitely the Conspiracy! D.Y. Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I blame Germany for the disaster in the Balkans. - J2
-Caveat Lector- 6/5/99 "Oh lord it's hard to be humble." J2 - Title of CW song. == Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/ Deep Politics - Understanding the " Kosovo Crisis." From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/26/99 WHY THIS CAME ABOUT: With the fall of the Soviet empire, the client states were suddenly free to become... What? There was a variety of limited choices. Yugoslavia had fewer choices than most of the others. The reason was Germany. I hold Germany responsible for what has happened to the Balkans. When Yugoslavia became free they had options and possibilities of how to define or divide the Federation. It was VERY short lived. Germany rushed to recognize the geographical areas claimed by their old Nazi allies the Croats. That set off the scramble for lands defined by ethnic borders. The United States immediately joined their New World Order ally Germany. This was totally unnecessary and stupid. We are seeing the results of those hasty decisions play themselves out now. TITO: Tito moved the different tribes around in a way which would divide and keep them manageable. Sort of a tribal Mix Match. He moved many Albanians into the Serb province of Kosovo. THAT is why there is an Albanian " majority " in historical Serb territory. They were put there by a dictator to keep the Serbs weak on their own territory. BIG BAD SERBS: From the beginning of the break up, the Serbs have been demonized. War is war, and civil war is often even dirtier than ordinary warfare. All the players used terror to move out the other tribes from the territories they wished to claim. Murder, assassination, rape, and the fiery destruction of homes make a strong impression on those yet unconvinced that it's time to make a serious life change. There was a history of viciousness against the Serbs and Jews in WWII. The Croats out-nazied the Nazis and were gladly aided by the area's Muslims. The Croats are Catholic, the Muslims are Muslim, the Serbs are Orthodox, the offspring of Byzantine Christianity, and the Jews are ( almost entirely ) gone. The Western media played down the attempted genocide of the Serbs by their neighbors. Americans may be ignorant about the people they are destroying, but the competing religious groups have long memories and even longer hatreds. Only the greater emotion of fear of the State kept them in workable relationships while under the Communist dictatorship. ALL SIDES WANT WELL DEFINED TRIBAL BORDERS. This means the expulsion of minority tribes. There are many good reasons for this. Ethnic cleansing has become synonymous with genocide. They are NOT the same thing. Don't be fooled by the media's creation. THE KLA: I am convinced that the KLA is funded and armed by the CIA or one of its sub-contractors like Saudi Arabia, or another one of America's Arab Client states. Until very recently, news footage of the KLA fighters showed a bunch of scruffy guys in shoddy clothes carrying sticks and pitchforks. They looked like the villagers in Frankenstien. Just a few months later they were in new uniforms carrying automatic rifles and mortars. Today NATO spokesmen are openly talking about arming the KLA. This is the old pattern of American policy. Fist covert, then create the reason to go overt. It's much easier not to have to maintain secrecy about arming your client. The KLA is also involved in moving heroin. Where there is drugs and guns and a weak independent state that doesn't want to be in the New World Order, there is the CIA. This is classic American Imperialism. THE OBJECTIVES: 1) Keep NATO going. Defense contractors need the money. 2) DESTROY THE SERBIAN STATE WHILE THE RUSSIANS ARE TOO WEAK TO HELP THEIR ONLY NATURAL ALLIES LEFT IN EUROPE. The euphemism being used is " diminish the capacity for making war," or " destroy the Serb military. THIS IS THE MILITARY OBJECTIVE. Even if the Serbs agree to sign that impossible peace treaty with the Kosovars, NATO will not accept it because the goal is not peace, but the destruction of the Serb state in all but name. 3) Surround Russia with a ring of iron. 4) Wag the dog. A diversion from the explosive China / nukes / bribery domestic politics situation. 5) Small wars are a good showcase for new weapons like the star of this one, the monstrously expensive B-52 Stealth Boondoggle. Did you see how they brought in the two B-52s? It was hilarious. Once they determined that there was no anti aircraft threat to speak of, the two 2 billion per copy flying cash cows were allowed to enter the war zone. It would not do to watch all that American middles class tax money burn up on its way down. Bad for business. Like a pair of ugly, pimply debutantes, they were presented to the public in the dark. With glowing descriptions. These are the basics. I have no proof of CIA backing the KLA at this point but the war is yet young and its just a matter of
[CTRL] ACTION: CAMPAIGN TO REMOVE RENO
-Caveat Lector- ACTION: CAMPAIGN TO REMOVE RENO I thinks Pat Buchanan says it right: Reno Must Explain or Go. Please send this letter to Congress Members Media (addy's included). SAMPLE LETTER: --- Dear Congress Member, (Media Representative,) Consider this my Vote to get rid of Janet Reno NOW!! I think this says it best: BUCHANAN TO RENO: EXPLAIN OR GO COLUMBUS, OHIO--Presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan today called on Atty. Gen. Janet Reno either to take responsibility for the Justice Department's astonishing failure to wiretap suspected Chinese spy Wen Ho Lee or identify and dismiss the subordinates she blames for not fully briefing her. "By Ms. Reno's own admission, when the FBI sought to wiretap Lee in 1997, the Justice Department refused, and even after the FBI revised the application twice, it was still not approved," Mr. Buchanan said. "Some 400 other wiretap warrants were rubber-stamped, but the request to investigate what has since become the greatest security breach in history was inexplicably rejected. Why?" "Ms. Reno's assertion that she was not briefed is an inadequate defense for her department's incompetence, and claiming that the FBI did not make a compelling case is unacceptable," Mr. Buchanan said. " The Attorney General must either take responsibility for her feckless stewardship or remove those derelict in their duty." [End Excerpt] This states it exactly. Our Choice: RENO, PLEASE RESIGN!!! American Seeking Justice, (your name) PLEASE CONTACT CONGRESS THE MEDIA UNTIL SHE'S GONE: Capitol switchboard TOLL FREE at 1-888-449-3511 1-800-FELIX-49 1-800-972-3524 (House only). And email all Congress at once from: A HREF="http://in-search-of.org"In Search Of.Org/A http://In-search-of.org And in case the lack of allowing the wiretap is not enough, here's some additional and DEFINITIVE RENO FACTS from one of the 3 organizers of the MARCHES ON WASHINGTON, Garland Favorito. You might want to contact your local paper with this information for an OP-ED piece. Or condense it into additional letters. Or send it all to the newspaper/media addys and Congress. (Media addys after post): - SUMMARY OF IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE ALLEGATIONS JANET RENO We the people, present these charges against Attorney General Janet Reno: 1. DERILICTION OF DUTY (Ruby Ridge, Idaho - 1992) Janet Reno refused to support the conclusion of a Justice Dept. investigation that found an FBI sniper shot which killed Vicki Weaver was unconstitutional. Senate testimony showed that an FBI sniper killed Vicki Weaver by shooting her in the head as she held her baby while standing with the door open on her front porch. The FBI snipers were shooting at the Weavers from over 200 yards away using rifles with 10 power scopes. The snipers and assistant FBI director Larry Potts, testified that they had the right to shoot and kill anyone if that person was holding a gun. Chairman Spector pointed out that such a situation did not warrant the use of deadly force according to FBI policy. On the House floor, Idaho representative, Helen Chenoweth, called for the resignation of Potts who was also responsible for the WACO disaster and a personal friend of FBI Director Freeh, the Reno appointee. Randy Weavers attorney called for Lon Horiuchi, the sniper, to be tried for murder based on the Justice Dept. investigation. Instead Horiuchi and Potts received paid leave for over two years. (SENATE RUBY RIDGE SIEGE INVESTIGATION) 2. FAILURE TO UPHOLD THE 4TH AMENDMENT OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION (Waco, Texas - 1993) Janet Reno approved the CS military gas attack that led to the deaths of over 80 men, women and children who had never been charged with any crime. She also stated that she "could not find anything wrong" with FBI actions in Waco despite overwhelming video based evidence that the FBI was responsible for the deaths of the Davidians. An aerial video tape shows a tank destroying a Davidian building while people were still inside. Autopsy reports indicate that six bodies found in the rubble of that building were crushed to death. The Forward Looking Infared (FLIR) tape clearly shows heat images from bullets being fired at the Davidians as they tried to escape from the burning buildings. Janet Reno also could find no violation of the Posse Comitatus act which expressly prohibits the use of military equipment and personnel to enforce laws against American citizens unless authorized by the U.S. Constitution or act of Congress. (HOUSE BRANCH DAVIDIAN INCIDENT INVESTIGATION, RULES OF ENGAGEMENT - WILLIAM GAZECKI) 3. ABUSE OF POWER (Firing of all U.S. Attorneys - 1993) Janet Reno fired all 94 United States Attorneys, a move unprecedented in American history, shortly after her appointment in March 1993. She stated that the replacement of all U.S. Attorneys was a "joint decision" with the White House. The liaison with the White House was the third highest ranking Justice Dept. official, associate attorney
[CTRL] Fwd: new virus
Thought I would pass this onPeter, please tell everyone but John Lee.and then, if I get this magic virus, I will forward it to him. Colleen The source sending this is reliableam forwarding just in case. guess this is a real one.3 Sent: June 3, 1999 8:04 AM Subject: Virus Warning For your reference, take necessary precautions.. If you receive an email with a file called "California", do not open the file. The file contains WOBBLER virus. WARNING: This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than "Melissa", and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. The virus uses the reformat function from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all documents on the hard drive. It has been designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. Pass this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book and please share it with all your online friends ASAP so that this threat may be stopped. Please practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may have access to your computer.
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- MJ- My earlier response to your post did not get through, I'm afraid. First off, let me say that I do enjoy your input on CTRL...even though I don't share your political philosophy, and I do think you are making a valuable contribution to the list by giving us your thoughts on a variety of topics. And, I do admire you for your passionate dedication to the Constitution..and your interest in economics/politics and history, but I find libertarianism to be not only a flawed approach to political and social issues...but also a dangerous one. Libertarianism reminds me of Ayn Rand's Objectivism, which sounds good and possesses a certain amount of appeal, until you begin to examine its axioms and unstated assumptions more closely. I've noticed that the people who are drawn to libertarianism and objectivism tend to be the same kind of individuals who are drawn to Marxism. They are looking for a single, totalizing theory which will make sense of the worldan intellectual authority upon which they structure their lives. In that respect, the psychological dynamic behind this search for authority is similar to what one finds with true believers everywhere. You might want to read Eric Hoffer. Both Marxists and Libertarians speak in terms of absolutes..both have their holy books (the word according to Marx, the word according to Lysander Spooner and Bastiat, or Ayn Rand says such and such). But there is a narrowness in the thinking of true believers... a tendency to reduce very complex issues into absolute terms. And I think the problem with this kind of totalitarian mindset is that the reality IS very complex and multifaceted. And what happens when the theory doesn't fit the facts? The theorists carry on with their wrongheaded policies without paying the price, nor admitting that they were in error. An example of this was the war in Viet Nam. One of the chief architects of that disastrous policy, Robert McNamara, was convinced during the sixties that the war was winnable. All of his techno/realpolitik expertise had convinced him that the US could use force to bring about a favorable outcome in Nam. And we were winning battles and killing more of the enemy than they killed us...but we still lost. Years later, to his credit, he admitted that the combined wisdom of the experts in the think tanks waas wrong. Moral of the story? You can have a beautifully structured intellectual theory that sounds great on paper...but when it's put into practice, the results can be completely disastrous. Why? Because human beings, social systems, civilizations and life itself contain powerful irrational forces that constantly undermine the best-laid intellectual schemes and theories. So, I think you must be leery of Rand, Spooner, Sowell, Bastiat, and "the founding fathers." If you were to research their lives, you would find that they were not necessarily possessors of all truth and wisdom. In fact, they were often driven by irrational and less noble impulses than their published writings would reveal. I'm not suggesting that you should devalue them; On the contrary, I'm only suggesting that you see them as whole, complete human beings who were fallible, flawed and imperfect. If you doubt that, I think you need to read some of the recent biographies on Ayn Rand. Even Rand defenders admit that her relationship with Nathaniel Branden, her protege, was a troubled and problematic one. As for Jefferson, an individual that you love to quote, although he freed his slaves, AFTER his death, the same writer who could write so eloquently of the rights of man could also walk out the door of his plantation at Monticello and see the squalid quarters of his slaves. Jefferson's relationship with Sally Hemmings is well-documented. In the case of Adam Smith, certainly a great economist, it's often overlooked that the great Adam was an agent of Lord Shelburne, and his Wealth of Nations was more a product of Britain's desire to cripple American manufacturing than it was an exercise in disinterested economic theory. I have no quarrel with many of the insights of Smith, Jefferson, and Rand. But I think it's ludicrous and absurd to idolize these individuals to such an extent that you lose sight of their flaws, inconsistencies and contradictions. That's why I find the libertarian love for one-liners to be interesting, but not particularly enlightening. So many of these quotes you are fond of, were produced in the eighteenth century or nineteenth century.. They sound great, but they have little relevance to 1999. Changing topic: In regard to your belief that social welfare programs can be equated to theft, I find that amusing. Our government has been using taxes to fund any number of different, welfare programs for corporations for years. Look at Mr. Weissman's post today. Clearly, the biggest welfare queens are not found in housing projects, but in corporate boardrooms. But your real target, of course,
[CTRL] Humor
-Caveat Lector- This was an actual letter from and a reply to the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan: Mr. Ryan De Vries 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339 Dear Mr. DeVries: SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above-referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31,1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative Land and Water Management Division RESPONSE: Dear Mr. Price: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response. First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451of the Public Acts of 1994,being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is - aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence which the department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter -- being unable to read
[CTRL] Executive Order 13107
-Caveat Lector- Joseph Farah is editor of WorldNetDaily.com and executive director of the Western Journalism Center, an independent group of investigative reporters. Executive Order 13107 From where do our rights descend? The Bill of Rights? No. The Constitution? No. The Federal government? No. The United Nations? Certainly not. But, apparently, that's what Bill Clinton thinks. For earlier this month, Dec. 10 to be exact, he issued another one of his infamous executive orders -- this time on "the implementation of human rights treaties." In Executive Order 13107, Clinton sets up a new federal bureaucracy for the purpose of implementing U.N. treaties, whether ratified by the U.S. Senate or not. And that federal bureaucracy will implement the treaties on the U.N.'s terms. Sound like a deal? It gets worse. Though President Clinton said he issued the order to further his goal of promoting human rights around the world, it's important to understand exactly how the U.N. defines "human rights." That definition is offered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which talks about the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, opinion, and expression. All good stuff, until you realize whom the ultimate authority is. Who is the sovereign that imparts such blessings upon the populace of the world? The answer to that question is stated unequivocally in article 29 of the U.N. document, which states: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." That pretty much explains who the "massa" is and where the plantation boundaries end. What a stark contrast between the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, and the founding documents of the United States of America. The Declaration of Independence and Constitution both make it clear that basic human rights are inalienable, meaning they descend from the ultimate Sovereign, the Creator, God. Therefore, no human authority, no government, no criminal, no individual can abrogate or abridge those rights. Remember, any right government can bestow upon a people, it can just as easily take away. This is a profound principle Americans have forgotten. The day they accept the principle that rights descend from government authority is the day they lose their freedoms. It's as simple as that. In effect, that is what Executive Order 13107 decrees. It's an attempt by Bill Clinton to persuade Americans that human rights descend not from God but from worldly government authorities -- with the ultimate authority represented by the United Nations. In other words, the U.N. believes people have the right to dissent, unless it's a dissent against the United Nations. It reminds me of the old Soviet model. There it was even more bluntly stated: "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of socialism." Basically, the U.N. has rewritten that maxim: "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of the United Nations." The U.N. practices what it preaches, too. In Bosnia, the U.N. forces have seized control of radio and TV stations broadcasting pro-Serbian news and propaganda. In fact, U.S. troops participated in those raids. How does one justify such actions under the U.S. Constitution, which explicitly recognizes the rights of all people -- not just Americans -- to speak their minds and express themselves freely? Welcome to the Brave New World of U.N. doublespeak. And President Clinton is dragging the U.S. deeper into this quagmire than has any other president in history. Not only does Executive Order 13107 promote an unworthy and dangerous goal, but the road to that objective, namely the executive order itself the way Bill Clinton has employed it, is a corrupt and unconstitutional process. Executive orders are supposed to be a presidential tool for running the executive branch of government. Clinton has used them freely during his terms in office to make policy affecting other branches of government, the states, and individuals. Now, with 13107, he's attempting to implement international treaties! Executive orders were never intended to be used as imperial orders. Once again, though, the only people with the authority to curb the misuse of executive orders are the members of Congress, who have 30 days from the issuance of an order to reject it by majority vote. Trouble is, they seldom bother to read them. And the press seldom bothers to cover them -- even when they represent sweeping new interpretations of human rights and compromises of U.S. national sovereignty. It's time for Congress not only to reject Executive Order 13107, but also to review, in the context of the ongoing impeachment process, all of President Clinton's more than 200 executive orders. In both substance and in intent, they represent one of the worst abuses of power in an administration characterized by abuse of power. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title
Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .
-Caveat Lector- Hello, I am trying to find an accurate translation of John's Revelation from the original Hebrew. Can you direct me? Byron Weeks, MD ~~ Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hi Ric, Religion is something I will not debate in this CTRL medium... However, if you want to come over to one of my forums, I will be glad to debate you on the issue. Religions are a dime a dozen. I put no creedence in any one religion, because there is truth in all of them, and also much error due to the human factor that cannot accept what the book says, but those who would rather rewrite it so that it tickles the the ears and says something other than the original message. I'm not saying I've got it all down. No, the Bible is not something you sit downs and study overnight and you've got the whole picture. It takes a lifetime and then some to really study the languages. The more I learn the more I know I don't know. The original Hebrew and Greek are very specific and graphic in their content. Instead of reading transliterations, I suggest you translate the manuscripts and codices for yourself, and not be led by the nose by any religious faction. I think then you will find that there is only ONE Bible, and only ONE truth, that was sent forth from the beginning. It's man who has changed the dialogue and put his own assertions into this infamous book that has caused all the confusion... and all the various versions, all the way from Moses who wrote the pentateuch, forward to this day. I will not tell you what the book says, (nor will I proselytize). That, you have to discover on your own time. eagle1 -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . . -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be honest, I think I know of things to come, yes. The Bible lays it all out. Amen! Jamie. And yes, it's amazing that a book written thousands of years ago, can and does lay it all out on the line, exactly how it would be. And truly, there are no surprises. Which bible? There are so many... The holy books referenced by Orthodoxoi, Catholici, Protestants [mainstream], Jehovah's Witnesses, Nazorenes, and various other Xian sects, are all different - self- proclaimed Xians haven't come to any consensus as to which biblical texts are canonical, how to translate those texts into contemporary languages, etc. There ain't no such thang as "The Bible", there's just lotsa individual Xians with their own favorite editions. Yow. As for any biblical text specifying "exactly how it would be", well, lotsa folks have used biblical texts to prophesize The End Of The World, and they've ALL been wrong. With a track record like that, you're probably better off collecting Zuni fetishes - at least those are tangible. Don't worry, be Hopi. --Ric DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] BILDERBEG SCAM ?
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:530113"BILDERBEG SCAM ?/A - Subject: BILDERBEG SCAM ? From: ryb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Jun 5, 1999 7:06 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The present Bilderberg Conference that is on-going it Sintra,Portugal,from June 3rd- 6th appears to be a SCAM or PLOY... NONE(?) of those mentionnend earlier on a leaked list APPEARS to be there,if we compare it with the Official Bilderberg relase list of invited guests ! So one can conclude(?) ot hint that : -Bilderberger watchers have HYPED that annual Conference for monetary gains-sell docs,books,give conferences,newsletters,etc about evil Bilderbergers.. -The RELEASED official list of invited guest is a BOGUS one-that is there is ANOTHER LIST but rael problems here as many of the political invited guests will nOT be there-The Pope is now in Poland,Clinton In US,etc... -DISINFORMATION,once again-governmental/Bilderberger AGENTS "leaked the list" it was doen INTENTIONALLY.. So what to conclude ? Simply that the Bilderberger Conference is NOW an annual DECOY.It has seved it usefullness.The REAL conference is at another place,under another name and probably broken into more manageable groups(30-40 ?) and all are connected via the NET through video-Conferencing.. One proof is that the upcoming G-8 Foreign Minister conference that was supposedly to be held in Cologne this Coming Monday is going to be(as per latest news) delayed due to TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES... I think that the real Bild Conference is closer to the meeting of the G-8 Meeting,under the guise of preparatory meetings for the G-8..It would eb interestign to see who will be thre let us say 1 week before the official opening of the G-8 Summit... The G-8 is just a PR Global job-even mainstream media acknowledges that the world leaders are just there for photo ops-all has been decided BEFORE yet the media remains silent as to how it did happened.. Final though-always BEWARE of ex-Spooks(secret service agents),informers,ex-insiders,etc...they are ALWAYS agents of DISINFORMATION... These people have been used time and time again in the UFO field..Why do gullible people keep falling for this ?People are CHOSEN to be secret.covert,etc agents with a primordial ingredient-they will stay LOYAL to the BITTER END..no matter what and these agents are trained all their active life just to do that so that when they leave the service they WILL remain agents(sleepers).They will NOT TELL... In fact very FEW DO like Thompson who only told a fraction of what he knows and look the mess he has gotten into... So all those "tell them all "going around the UFO circuit,writing books,putting out videos,on radio/tv talk shows are JUST ENTERTAINERS,but governmental PAID entertainers..(or fools being controled)Same case can be made for ex-Bilderbergers etc... Those with Bilderberger Websites,etc better do some quick accountability because their credibility is spiralling towards zero...in my books anyway...Guess they were had too ! Now that is the ultimate conspiracy-to fool the conspiracy buffs,Bilderberger watchers.. Yours,ryb - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ACTION: CAMPAIGN TO REMOVE RENO
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/05/1999 1:49:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: American Seeking Justice, Look for Molly Ivins' column about this. It is hilarious. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .
-Caveat Lector- Wasn't it King Edward who insisted the Revelations of John be kept in the bible; that he would not accept any other bible claiming it would be butchered without them. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh said, But I don't think you, Eagle, would really enjoy living in a HUD subsidized project, would you? Nor would you enjoy trading places with a welfare recipient? Of course not. For your information, Mr. Hugh, I just emerged from this system of viscious bureaucracy... and did it without their help. I am not young. My children are late life children and are teenagers, now, one just graduating high school. So, I speak from seven years of experience, not just working with these people, but being one of the unfortunate recipients, as recently as this past March. No one except some caring wonderful people from my church and some help from a local Catholic Samaritan House, gave a damn enough to help me get out of this rut trap set by the government to keep people down. However, I found out that with a little perserverance, and guts, one CAN leave this travesty behind, brush themselves off and go on without the government's intervention. And NO, the children do not suffer. All the programs available center around the child, not the adult. The adult who has no children will get virtually nothing, unless they are seniors or totally disabled by law. I have a disability, but evidentally 68%+ is not enough to warrant some of the programs available. It has to be all or nothing. I was tired of seeing my children do without small luxuries that other people were giving their children. I saw that taking my parent's advice to get on these programs, to help me through a difficult time in my life, was a dire mistake. Because, once you sign the papers, you become a statistic at the mercy of the system. And if you don't bail out and TRY to make it without these programs, they will keep you down, and you develop a co-dependant attitude, scared to death that you cannot make it without their help. OR, they will throw you out, with nothing. I bailed, and I wish to God I'd done it five years ago... but I was afraid my children would have nothing. Now I realize my children have had nothing because I was on the system. Believe me, if I can bail and make it, anyone can! So, from experience, I disagree. Thanks for your comments though. I did enjoy reading yours and several others'. eagle1 -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today! -Caveat Lector- Your points are well taken, E. There's always a certain percentage of the population that is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc. Also, you must take into consideration that all of us are subject to "the thousand natural shocks which flesh is heir to..." The biological clock works against human beings When you're in your twenties, you can spend hours upon hours doing heavy physical labor, and your physical body is resilient and strong enough to take the stress (Of course, years later, your body will show the effects of those carefree earlier years.) But after a certain point in time, you no longer can perform as well as an eighteen year old. Corporations know thisnotice how the preferred worker in industrial America is usually very young...with few health problems... In order to take advantage of all of those strong resilient younger bodies, the corporations often place their factories out in the middle of the corn belt in order to take advantage of that cheap and healthy labor supply. Of course, after they've used you, they let you go. Am I against this kind of dynamic? Well, there's not much we can do about it... But I would only point out that framing the issue in terms of "free ride" tends to reduce things down to a very narrow, simplistic and, ultimately, distorted level. The issue is a bit more complicated. First off, the government subsidizes businesses, bails out foreign despots around the world, while it simultaneously also does a splendid job of ensuring that those who have will get more This more spectacular "free ride" at taxpayer's expense tends to be ignored. Instead, the argument about government "handouts" tends to be centered around the very visible millions of have-nots in our society. The less conspicuous "welfare queens" who live in Grosse Pointe, Westchester, Bel-Air and the hills above Palo Alto are not targeted. When the Mexican peso bailout (handout) was arranged in order to save the bad investments of American investors, both political parties signed onto it with hardly a squeek of protest. OK. So you're righteously against all of these giveaways and we find common ground on this point. Great. I would only suggest to you that in my experience, I have never found anyone who is actually proud of having to receive financial assistance from the government. Of course, I've seen many lazy and dishonest
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [TheEagle-L] [Fwd: Al Gore and the Earth Spirit]]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This is totally right on. Who is blind as one who denies God? Who is deceived as one who sees with blindness? Terry how about " they are not so blind as those who will not hear." huh that one too huh. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There are actually many people who come to their conclusions on their own. - J2 - just like josh here DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Ric] Why Faction 2 Wants . . .
Whatever, Ric.You are entitled, at least in this country for now,to believe whatever you want to...as well as I am.I wish you well in your spiritual endeavors, Rev er end Carter. eagle1 PS - I reverence no one but God. That title, in my opinion, is reserved for Him and Him alone. No man is worthy to be reverenced. I'm glad to know, however, that you put yourself in such high esteem, among the gods.-Original Message-From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 10:52 AMSubject: Re: [CTRL] [Jamie] Why Faction 2 Wants . . . -Caveat Lector-- Original Message -eagle1 wrote: I'm not saying I've got it all down. No, the Bible is not something you sit downs and study overnight and you've got the whole picture. It takes a lifetime and then some to really study the languages.Yes, religious studies are very entertaining - that is, they're greatways for one to structure and occupy one's time, without accomplishinganything tangible. Same as conspiratorialism, UFOlogy, sociopoliticalcriticism, musical/artistic discussions, etc. Fun fun fun.Rev. RN Carter, ULC
Re: [CTRL] Hear No Evil? See No Evil? Speak No Evil? -- Please pass ...
-Caveat Lector- 1. An executive order is a presidential decree or edict that assumes the force of law if it is not challenged by Congress within 30 days of signing. They are printed in the Federal Register. I have yet to find a law that authorizes an Executive Order and have been searching for several months. Does anyone know by what law these are authorized? If they are not authorized then they are bogus and should be removed from the Federal Register as ravings from a lunatic President, not just Clinton, but all former Presidents as well. Obviously the Constitution does not give the President the authority to make laws. Regards, Bob Stokes See below to help Helen Chenoweth Posted previously by Peter L. Sroufe: I have a courageous nonprofit, public interest law firm on my side: MOUNTAIN STATES LEGAL FOUNDATION. You see, as a Member of Congress, I couldn't afford to hire a team of high-priced lawyers to take on the hundreds of Justice Department attorneys Clinton has working for him. If it weren't for the MOUNTAINS STATES LEGAL FOUNDATION (MSLF), I would have been all by myself against the President and his team of TAXPAYER-FUNDED lawyers. But MSLF agreed to help me with my historic case. And they agreed to do it FREE OF CHARGE! Don't be mistaken, this is going to be a very expensive case for MSLF to handle. But helping the American people fight big government is what MSLF does best. Still, in order to make sure we win against Bill Clinton and his army of lawyers, we need YOUR crucial help. First, we need to show that the public will not stand for Bill Clinton's unconstitutional plot to make himself dictator. And to be heard, we need to receive an outpouring of public support. Will you please send your most generous gift possible to help Mountain States Legal Foundation pay for the many costs involved with this historic case? Your crucial $50, $100, $250, $500 or even $1000 shows that that you believe America is still a nation of laws. And that Bill Clinton is not above the Constitution. Or if that is too much to ask right now, could you please help out with an urgent gift of $20 or $35? It will certainly cost you more than $35 if Bill Clinton wins and is allowed to pass any big-government plan he pleases! And remember, Mountain States Legal Foundation is a nonprofit organization. So your gift to help this vital project and all of MSLF's work is tax-ductible. I hope you can include your tax-deductible gift of $20, $35 or more to help the great folks at Mountain States Legal Foundation stand by my side in this important battle. Thanks for being someone I can count on! For America, Hon. Helen Chenoweth U.S. House of Representatives Make checks payable to: Hon. Helen Chenoweth Member of Congress c/o MOUNTAIN STATES LEGAL FONDATION 951 20th Street P.O. Box 1560 Denver,CO. 80201-1560 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why GUNS are here to stay.2/2
-Caveat Lector- Joshua and EMael: Remember the promise to Teo.Be good boys and maintain the dignity and decorum of the CTRL. Meanwhile, Moo Moo is going to the War Protest. Moo Moo Jones DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hear No Evil? See No Evil? Speak No Evil? -- Please pass ...
-Caveat Lector- Now, what is this on Helen Chenoweth's parta legal scam? Now, I was not aware an Executive Order could be challenged legally; I thought Executive Orders were policies of government. But a check to Helen Chenoweth for legal fees? For a non-profit organization. You know years ago, my boss who then was a Mayor used to call for meetings prior to a Council meeting to discuss certain matter; nobody ever showed up. One day, in open Council, he asked why. The reason, they never read their packets until the night of Council and therefore, had not read the Mayor's request.. Apparently Chenoweth and some of the Congressmen need a briefing on the law and their duties as representatives; but then, who do we have in Congresspeople like whatshername, Sonny Bono's wife, whom some believed caused his murder in an arranged accident, who stressed her husband was on drugs..and look around the country and ask yourself, are anyone of these people operating with a full deck? Take that money you would give to her the poor woman; what is a congressman's salary now, $120 thousand dollars a year or so with some expenses.poor, poor woman. Wonder if she will make it next election; I doubt it, if she is that ineffective as a Congressman. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] political emergency alert
-Caveat Lector- To read the entire bill go to http://thomas.loc.gov and ask for HR 1790. States have just submitted huge bioterrorism initiative grants to DHHS. The grants describe each state's plan to use their share of the big porkbarrel billion dollar bioterrorism initiative passed last year. Public health people are rationalizing this militarization of public health (to quote Donna Shalala) as a way to build public health infrastructure. HR1790 and the bioterroism initiative are scary new attacks on American citizens by our government. I guess we are too busy protecting democracy in other parts of the world to protect it here. -- From: "David Crockett Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of swesterly) (by way of swesterly) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (abolition-usa) Congress Abdicates to "Terrorism"? Date: Sat, Jun 5, 1999, 12:24 AM From: WCMO Headquarters (Yasa Henson) Subject: FWD: "political" emergency alert! Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 8:33 AM Hello all this is a forward that you all should know DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Caesarism and Albania
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-06-05 14:23:12 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I think one result of the Serb War will be the return of Royalty that was in exile. (Their Prince is residing in London.) About a year ago, another Prince returned to Albania, coincidental with the arrival of UN troops. "Many of these exiled Royals are on record as ready to return to their countries, but not as private citizens. They expect to return to their thrones. "Caesarism is definitely the Conspiracy! It'd be interesting to see any *evidence* that royals are actually about to be reinstated in the Balkans; Sunday Times, 7 Feb 1999 No throne but plenty of ammunition NICOLA KOZ and JAN HENNOP ALBANIA's exiled King Leka I, who lives in Johannesburg, surrounds himself with heavily armed bodyguards wherever he goes. Described by some as an "entrepreneur", the Fourways businessman is the son of King Zog, a former army officer who, in 1928, crowned himself Albania's first king, 16 years after this former province of the Ottoman empire became autonomous. Zog fled the country 11 years later, allegedly with the country's gold, when the Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini's troops invaded. Leka was only three days old at the time. Schooled in Egypt, Leka was trained at the British military academy Sandhurst and had the late King Faisal of Saudi Arabia as a godfather. He was obviously being groomed [from birth] to retake the throne. The so-called royal minister of court, Abedin Mulosmanaj, once said: "From the moment he was born there was a gun under his pillow and he has worn it all his life." According to reports, Leka has been open [in the past] about the "army in exile" he built here and in Spain. He inherited the Albanian crown in 1961 on the death of his father and has spent most of his life in exile, mostly in various European countries. In 1979 Leka was expelled from Spain. He lived briefly in the then Rhodesia until the Albanian-trained troops of Robert Mugabe took power, and was later jailed in Thailand on charges related to gunrunning. He moved to South Africa with his wife, Queen Susan, and their family in the early 1980s. In recent years Leka has devoted a large part of his time to politics and the restoration of the monarchy in Albania. He returned to Albania in April 1997 after nearly 60 years in exile when the government authorised his return. He visited the rebel-held Vlore to test support for his bid to restore the monarchy to the lawless republic. However, he accused the country's socialists of robbing him of victory after he lost in the referendum.. The Socialist Party leader, Fatos Nano, in turn accused Leka and the autocratic right-wing president, Sali Berisha, of conspiring to foment the chaos that erupted across the country in 1997 after the collapse of notorious pyramid schemes in which over half of all Albanians had invested money. Leka returned to South Africa after the referendum but, before his departure from the country he claims is his kingdom, he said: "I'll never really leave Albania. If the monarchy loses I'll have to go back to Johannesburg as I have a lot of work." During his first visit (in April 1997) thousands of people were massed in to the main square when his motorcade made an entrance to the port, the centre of Albania's insurrection against President Sali Berisha. He reportedly strode through the crowd to place a wreath at the grave of Ismail Qemali, the father of Albania's independence. HARD-CORE CACHE: Some of the weapons seized from Leka's house in Fourways. Picture Jon Hrusa. CALL TO ARMS: Leka Zog, the would-be king of Albania, wearing a paramilitary camouflage uniform and weaponary as he talks to a crowd in central Tirana. Leka will wil appear in a Randburg court tomorrow following his arrest for possession of illegal weapons. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- Eagle, I don't quite understand the post. You're mad because the system does an inadequate job of helping people? I would agree. Whenever this government tries to help people, it does a miserable job. Why? Because in case you haven't noticed, for the most part, Americans, in general, hate the poor and the working class. I can prove my point quite easily. The average worker in 1999 earns LESS than she did in 1978. The wages of American working men and women have fallen during the past twenty-five years, while the income of the top ten percent have experienced a phenomenal increase that is unprecedented in terms of American economic history. If you look at every other industrialized nation in the developed world, none of them have experienced this kind of widening gap between the haves and have-nots. And what has our reactionary corporate dominated government done in response to the economic downturn for the bottom eighty percent of the American population? Worse than nothing. The social safety net has been dismantled. The welfare system in America is designed to be punitive and humiliating, not helpful. Surely, you realize this. The whole purpose of the welfare system is designed to get people back into the workforce. Also, do you really believe it's accidental that the country is constantly flooded with millions of illegal aliens and refugees to be added to the surplus labor pool? Poverty must be maintained, supported and institutionalized in our nation. Poverty and human misery is good for business. If people are desperate enough, they'll work for anything, do anything to stay alive. Your quarrel is not with me, Eagle, but with our system. I want a government that takes into account the best economic interests of its citizens. And you know what? We could have such a system, but we would have to reverse about thirty-five years of misguided economic/social policies...policies pushed by BOTH political parties. On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh said, But I don't think you, Eagle, would really enjoy living in a HUD subsidized project, would you? Nor would you enjoy trading places with a welfare recipient? Of course not. For your information, Mr. Hugh, I just emerged from this system of viscious bureaucracy... and did it without their help. I am not young. My children are late life children and are teenagers, now, one just graduating high school. So, I speak from seven years of experience, not just working with these people, but being one of the unfortunate recipients, as recently as this past March. No one except some caring wonderful people from my church and some help from a local Catholic Samaritan House, gave a damn enough to help me get out of this rut trap set by the government to keep people down. However, I found out that with a little perserverance, and guts, one CAN leave this travesty behind, brush themselves off and go on without the government's intervention. And NO, the children do not suffer. All the programs available center around the child, not the adult. The adult who has no children will get virtually nothing, unless they are seniors or totally disabled by law. I have a disability, but evidentally 68%+ is not enough to warrant some of the programs available. It has to be all or nothing. I was tired of seeing my children do without small luxuries that other people were giving their children. I saw that taking my parent's advice to get on these programs, to help me through a difficult time in my life, was a dire mistake. Because, once you sign the papers, you become a statistic at the mercy of the system. And if you don't bail out and TRY to make it without these programs, they will keep you down, and you develop a co-dependant attitude, scared to death that you cannot make it without their help. OR, they will throw you out, with nothing. I bailed, and I wish to God I'd done it five years ago... but I was afraid my children would have nothing. Now I realize my children have had nothing because I was on the system. Believe me, if I can bail and make it, anyone can! So, from experience, I disagree. Thanks for your comments though. I did enjoy reading yours and several others'. eagle1 -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say "NO" To Socialized Health Care Today! -Caveat Lector- Your points are well taken, E. There's always a certain percentage of the population that is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc. Also, you must take into consideration that all of us are subject to "the thousand natural shocks which flesh is heir to..." The biological clock works against human beings When you're in your
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- Mr. Turnstall, First of all, your assumption that I am mad, is wrong. Not at all. As a matter of fact, I am extremely happy to have my FREEDOM back. :-)) Secondly... I was not quarreling with you . . . I was merely commenting, after your previous comments. Thirdly... The government should NOT be providing much of anything, except perhaps, a small amount of HELP for a short period of time, and should be originating not only education, but also providing a springboard, in a job to help build some self-worth and self-esteem back into people who, as you said, and I agree, have been punished and humiliated by these programs... (I know. ... been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt). but rather providing jobs, so that people who do want a chance to get off the program have an opportunity to start earning a living, instead of pleading to hand them a living. Most of these people do not want to be on these programs, but you have many factions, including the elitists who WANT people down and out on the programs, and this is why you have people such as the liberal democrats passing laws, without knowing the real dynamics of poverty... they can only imagine it, because they have never been in such a situation, nor, shall they in this life most likely ever experience it. (And too bad... they might learn some priceless lessons about life, true liberty, and true freedom). I vary to differ with you about most Americans hating the poor, or the working class. What would they do without them? No, rather, they love them! As long as the poor, the depraved and the working class exist, the elitists will play corporate and governmental hopscotch across their backs, while they get wealthier and wealthier, off the middle class people's dimes. But, lest I discount American Freedom and the Liberty to pursue happiness and the American Dream, it seems there is an alternate solution, leaving capitalism in place, without bringing liberalism aka: "socialism" to the front of the stage. That is why I hire government officials, i.e. by voting them in or out of office, to maintain some sanity and structure, without the government running every aspect of America's private lives. I worked for a man who is around number 54 in Forbes... who has so much money, that his great great great grandchildren can live and die without spending it all. Will he help those workers who have worked their behinds off, by the sweat of their brow, and whom he only pays pennies to for work that is worth twice as much as he pays? NO! He won't. Because there is always someone in line who says, "I'll do the job for less pay". When I was sent back to work, the first time after my injury... most of the ethnic people who worked there had been replaced with Laocian and Viet Namese. The workplace changed so as to incorporate three bulletin boards, instead of one; it changed to incorporate two break rooms instead of one. Communications dropped to an all time low, as most of them could not speak English, and we had to have interpretors come in to speak in their languages when we had meetings. The meetings took twice as long, and were not nearly as effective. The whole genre of the area changed, to look as though they were appealing to those who worked for less, while putting those who had time, and seniority out looking for other jobs, and for the most part, leaving, as hours were cut, so those who would take less and work less hours, could replace anyone who might ask for a bit more. This owner was and still is a slave driver. His empire should reflect a plantation house, instead of the building looming on the skyline as something out of Star Wars. I was injured at work, while also going to college. THIS is why I was told to take these programs. I must say though, my children had the best doctors, all the best medical/dental coverage possible, and they never had an empty cabinet or refrigerator. Clothes, were mostly second hand. (Freebies from the local thrift store, who had a give away day, because after utility bills were paid, we had no 'luxury' money). Often we didn't even have enough to buy personal products or disinfectants, including soap, except once a month, the thrift store might have some in stock, but it was rare. And you bet I have a quarrel with the government. I've placed my complaints, and I am getting action. They don't want their internal dirty laundry exposed. I still say, that if I can buckle down, bail out of government programs with an injury, anyone can. And like I said, when we get some sanity in the White House, and in the other branches... we might see some reverse in poverty and depravity. I do agree with you though... We could have such a system, but we would have to reverse about thirty-five years of misguided economic/social policies...policies pushed by BOTH political parties. eagle1 -Original Message- From:
[CTRL] Rape, incest, child prostitution, intern abuse and the humping of the help ...
-Caveat Lector-
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the
people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent
and sudden usurpation's."
--- James Madison
Politics
'99 May 20
What follows is one of the bitingest little articles on the Prez. that I've
ever read. Enjoy! And if you want to read more by Christopher Hitchens, go
to the Christopher Hitchens Web.
Reproduction of the latest Christopher Hitchens
"Minority Report" from The Nation Magazine
(Febr16, 1998 issue)
Clinton's Comeuppance
Late in her life, Lillian Hellman was onstage at some campus event, and was
asked why she had never endorsed gay liberation. Leaning over her cane and
peering at the back of the hall through heavy dark glasses, she replied in
raspy but lapidary words. "The forms of fucking," she said, "do not require
my endorsement." One had one's disagreements with the old girl, but this
time, it would be nice to think, she spoke for us all. Half the pundits and
windbags in the continental United States have been rushing to say, with
less wit and less courage, that William Jefferson Clinton's "private" life
is, or should be, his own affair. We're all adults...let's get on with the
nation's business...what if this should give the market a tsura?
Which is not to say quite the same thing. Rape, incest, child prostitution,
intern abuse and the humping of the help are all, also, "forms of fucking,"
but they equally certainly don't require endorsement. And I, on the day that
the fragrant Monica Lewinsky broke cover, had been much more interested in
establishing the identity of the "senior Republican," cited in The New York
Times, who had told the South Korean dictators to go ahead and execute Kim
Dae Jung in 1980. I still am more interested. That doesn't make the Clinton
libido irrelevant. If the recent freshet of J.F.K. books has made anything
plain, it is that there may well be a connection between machismo Type A
(Kennedy's disgusting admiration for Ian Fleming's fiction as it related to
women) and machismo Type B (Kennedy's even more repellent admiration for Ian
Fleming's James Bond solutions in the political sphere). Between power and
the aphrodisiac, as the clammy Kissinger used to be overfond of saying,
there is a well-understood connection. You don't have to be a Reichian to
propose that a sick libido may connote, or may lead to, baseness in
politics. And/or vice versa.
I was a contemporary of Clinton's at Oxford, and though I didn't know him
personally (he was a moderate while I was an extremist), I did know several
members of his set. And I still do know three women who kept company with
him. I'll call them Sarah Maitland, Mandy Merck and Pip Northey, because
those are their names. They were all strong, clever, tough and attractive.
They still are. They all reported "Bill" to be a real gentleman, a good
companion and a sensitive confidant, and they have all resolutely refused to
gossip about him ever since, though in at least one case there were letters
that might have fetched a bundle. This is impressive testimony. Of course,
in those days Clinton also maintained a minimum of seriousness about civil
rights, the war and the subversion of American democracy by the "national
security" apparat. Stuff like that.
Here is what I think must have happened. It's borne out in the two best
Clinton biographies, by David Maraniss and Roger Morris. Sizzling with
ambition and also with the deadly need for approval, "Bill" soon found that
professional politics was a no-brainer for someone as plausible and sinuous
as himself. He was drawn very early on by the glamour and the razzmatazz
side of the business, and also by the easy money and the easy women.
("Politics," as someone once said, "is show business for ugly people.") He
would give himself a makeover at the drop of an opinion poll. He learned to
be economical with the truth, and saw this hailed as cleverness and skill.
He caught the eye of the people who look for reliable "candidates"--most
especially that safe "New Democrat" kind of candidate.
Well, you know how it is. You need the charm less and less, and there is
less and less time for attentive wooing. Money trees can be shaken. Arms can
be twisted. Likely lasses can be ordered like pizza, and may not always be
chosen for their sophistication. The evident coarsening and thuggishness of
Clinton's political evolution, and the way he prostituted himself to any and
every special interest, could have its carnal counterpart. Could have? How
else to explain his best-ever friend, Dick Morris, who has bragged about
procuring him babes and whose sordid public manners debauched an entire
presidential election? (There may be some right-wing creeps behind Paula
Jones and even Linda Tripp, but they can't be as right-wing or as creepy as
Dick Morris.) With both Morris and Clinton, women were part of the spoils
system. Even Lewinsky, we learn, was first recommended
Re: [CTRL] Hear No Evil? See No Evil? Speak No Evil? -- Please pass ...
-Caveat Lector- There is in the Constitution the provision for emergency rule in times of war or rebellion. Lincoln declared such an emergency during the Civil Ward, but it was later lifted. I believe that FDR declared a national emergency in March of 1933 and that this has never been lifted. If I am not correct about this, does anyone have a date for its ending? I do have a copy of the declaration of emergency from 1933. It was the basis for the confiscation of most American's gold. Howard Davis -- From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hear No Evil? See No Evil? Speak No Evil? -- Please pass ... Date: Sat, Jun 5, 1999, 4:42 PM -Caveat Lector- 1. An executive order is a presidential decree or edict that assumes the force of law if it is not challenged by Congress within 30 days of signing. They are printed in the Federal Register. I have yet to find a law that authorizes an Executive Order and have been searching for several months. Does anyone know by what law these are authorized? If they are not authorized then they are bogus and should be removed from the Federal Register as ravings from a lunatic President, not just Clinton, but all former Presidents as well. Obviously the Constitution does not give the President the authority to make laws. Regards, Bob Stokes See below to help Helen Chenoweth Posted previously by Peter L. Sroufe: I have a courageous nonprofit, public interest law firm on my side: MOUNTAIN STATES LEGAL FOUNDATION. You see, as a Member of Congress, I couldn't afford to hire a team of high-priced lawyers to take on the hundreds of Justice Department attorneys Clinton has working for him. If it weren't for the MOUNTAINS STATES LEGAL FOUNDATION (MSLF), I would have been all by myself against the President and his team of TAXPAYER-FUNDED lawyers. But MSLF agreed to help me with my historic case. And they agreed to do it FREE OF CHARGE! Don't be mistaken, this is going to be a very expensive case for MSLF to handle. But helping the American people fight big government is what MSLF does best. Still, in order to make sure we win against Bill Clinton and his army of lawyers, we need YOUR crucial help. First, we need to show that the public will not stand for Bill Clinton's unconstitutional plot to make himself dictator. And to be heard, we need to receive an outpouring of public support. Will you please send your most generous gift possible to help Mountain States Legal Foundation pay for the many costs involved with this historic case? Your crucial $50, $100, $250, $500 or even $1000 shows that that you believe America is still a nation of laws. And that Bill Clinton is not above the Constitution. Or if that is too much to ask right now, could you please help out with an urgent gift of $20 or $35? It will certainly cost you more than $35 if Bill Clinton wins and is allowed to pass any big-government plan he pleases! And remember, Mountain States Legal Foundation is a nonprofit organization. So your gift to help this vital project and all of MSLF's work is tax-ductible. I hope you can include your tax-deductible gift of $20, $35 or more to help the great folks at Mountain States Legal Foundation stand by my side in this important battle. Thanks for being someone I can count on! For America, Hon. Helen Chenoweth U.S. House of Representatives Make checks payable to: Hon. Helen Chenoweth Member of Congress c/o MOUNTAIN STATES LEGAL FONDATION 951 20th Street P.O. Box 1560 Denver,CO. 80201-1560 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substanceónot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
[CTRL] Fwd: Rudolf Hess Nazi Spandau Prison (http://www.compura.com/hess/index3.htm)
http://www.compura.com/hess/index3.htm Newly Discovered Scottish Documents provide further proof that it was not the real Rudolf Hess who died in Spandau prison. In 1996, Walter Rudolf Hess's Iron Cross was auctioned at Bonhams in London. With the cross was a box of documents including original eye witness accounts, photographs of the landing strip at Dungavel, as well as the Duke of Hamilton's original Statement. These papers prove that Churchill knew of Hess's mission twenty-four hours before Hess landed in Scotland. These manuscript letters and papers became the key which opened the door to other collections of undisclosed and secret documents pertaining to Rudolf Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, and his peace flight to Scotland during World War Two. They have also revealed evidence that the prisoner who was kept and died in Spandau was not Rudolf Hess. Official medical examination reports and x-ray carried out on Rudolf Hess within 48 hours of his landing in Scotland confirm Dr. Hugh Thomas, British military surgeon at Spandau, in his conclusions that prisoner no.7 was not Walter Rudolf Hess. The cache of papers which includes first-hand accounts, hitherto unpublished material and photographs, adds a further dimension to the conspiracy for peace that brought Hess to Scotland. Further research also revealed documents belonging to the then Lord Provost of Glasgow (1941), Polish papers, Swedish diplomatic documents and the diary style notes of the wartime Air correspondent of the Glasgow Herald, Fred Nancarrow, who died in mysterious circumstances in September 1942. He was not the only person involved to meet untimely death. The documents and photographs provide irrefutable proof that Hess intended landing his aircraft at Dungavel airstrip, owned by the Duke of Hamilton, and show an agreement existed that Hess would be refuelled and allowed to return to Germany within three days, after the peace discussions. They also reveal that the group suing for peace on the allied side encompassed most European Royal households and that those delegated to meet Hess included General Sikorsky, Guards Officer Colonel Pilcher, the Duke of Buccleuch, the Earl of Suffolk, and the King's brother the Duke of Kent, who had been offered the Polish throne after the war ended. Had these negotiations been successful, millions of lives could have been saved, Europe spared economic destruction, communism would have been contained and the USA would not have emerged as the only Superpower. The meeting was the culmination of a series which had taken place in Spain, organised through the Swedish Royal family, by their representative Baron Knut Bonde. Winston Churchill learned of Hess's plans via spies working in the Messcherschmitt factory, he cancelled all leave in the landing area and arranged a light armoured exercise to take place, on the moor, surrounding Dungavel. A manuscript containing the above and many other undisclosed factors in the Hess story is in preparation. It will at last reveal the true story of what has become the greatest legend of the second World War, and perhaps the best kept secret of this century. These revelations coincide with the 10th anniversary of the death of the man who never was. For Further information contact :- Jeffrey Simmons at Jeffrey Simmons Literary Agency. 10, Lowndes Sq. London SW1 X9H Tel 44 (0)171 235 8852 Fax 44 (0)171 235 9733 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Articles The Herald Monday 18th August 1997 The Herald Monday 18th August 1997 html design [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.compura.com/hess/index3.htm Modified=20BE08709DAFBE0161
[CTRL] Fwd: Hess Archives (http://www.compura.com/hess/herald1.htm)
http://www.compura.com/hess/herald1.htm Hess had been under the delusion that the Duke of Hamilton and other members of the British establishment would be willing to discuss peace terms with Germany, and that the common enemy was Stalin's Soviet Union. The peace proposals were never taken seriously and he was later sentenced at Nuremberg to life imprisonment for war crimes. For 20 years, Hess was the lone inmate at Spandau prison. The prison was torn down after his death to prevent it becoming a neo-Nazi rallying point. However, numerous investigators have questioned this official version. One theory is that the Rudolf Hess may have been kidnapped by Special Operation Executive agents, taken to a secret location in Scotland, interrogated, and may subsequently have been executed. A doppelganger, or double, may have been planted by SOE in a bid to demoralise and confuse the Nazi leadership. Dr Hugh Thomas, who looked after Prisoner No.7 in Spandau, has consistently claimed he was not the real Hess. The new research, however, adds a confusing twist to the doppelganger theory. The authors claim that it was indeed the real Hess who landed in Scotland, but he later died and was "replaced" by British intelligence with a doppelganger. It was essential to maintain the pretence that Hess was still alive, the authors argue, because of fears that should the Nazis suspect he had been ill-treated or even murdered this would have an adverse effect on the treatment meted out to captured British officers. British intelligence was also aware the Nazi leadership had been thrown into confusion with Hess's defection and was keen to exploit it It has never been satisfactorily explained, however, who this mysterious "double" was, nor why the fiction had to be maintained. [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.compura.com/hess/herald1.htm Modified=0005E3C89DAFBE01BB
[CTRL] Fwd: Scots Members of the French Nobility (http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/sc
Interesting site http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/scotfr.htm Scots Members of the French Nobility One peculiar aspect of the "auld alliance" between France and Scotland (founded on the common enmity with England) was the existence of French titles held by Scots nobles. These notes discuss three known cases: the earls of Douglas, the Stuarts of Darnley and the earl of Arran. They also discuss the case of another Scottish family which was granted a quarter of France in their arms, namely and Kennedy. Finally, the case of Montgomerie is discussed: their arms are identical with those of France, but it seems to be a coincidence. Introduction Douglas Stuart of Darnley Hamilton-Arran Kennedy Montgomerie See also The Great Hall of the Clans for more information on Scots clans and heraldry. Introduction 1415 had been a bad year for France: the army of Henry V of England defeated the French at Agincourt (Azincourt in French) and the French nobility was decimated. English troops occupied Northern France, and the treaty of Troyes (1420) was imposed on the mad king Charles VI and his divided court. The treaty provided for the marriage of Henry V with Charles VI's daughter, and the accession of Henry V to the French throne upon the death of Charles VI, passing over the Dauphin Charles, son of Charles VI. . [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/scotfr.htm Modified=A06447B89FAFBE0110
[CTRL] Fwd: Salon Newsreal | Lives of the Republicans, Part Two
Bob: No, I put my money where my heart is not my mouth; and that broad just does not add up. First, the UN has no control over the parks, etc. They used Yellowstone as a site to see in US. The fact remains a lot of truth is being misrepresented. I do not like this woman, howevr, because of her lies about the affair she had with Ravencrofts, or whatever his name was. I ran across this accidently some time back looking for stuff on the author of Spear of Destiny. The UN has no control or interest in our parks - truth is one thing, misrepresentation is anotherbut this appeal for money to fight a dead horse that will be gone within the year? No - there is sucker born every minute, but I am not one of them. Assuming this of course is true, about her loose life and lying about it. She is not as bad as Clinton, only because she does not have the power. The statement about our national parks being given to the United Nations is false. Colleen http://www.salon1999.com/news/1998/09/16news.html
[CTRL] Fwd: The Clan Hamilton (http://www.tartans.com/clans/Hamilton/hamilton.html)
http://www.tartans.com/clans/Hamilton/hamilton.html The second Earl of Arran was made Regent while Mary, Queen of Scots was still a child and he attempted to marry his son to her to secure the Throne for his family. This union did not take place and Mary was married to the Prince of France, the Dauphin. The Earl was created Duke of Chatelhault in the French peerage in 1548 for his part in the marriage arrangements. After the death of the Dauphin, Hamilton again hoped fro a union into his own family and was sent into exile in 1561 when he openly opposed the marriage of the Queen to Lord Darnley. He did however try to save the ill-fated Queen after her escape from Loch Leven. The 4th Earl of Arran and 3rd Duke of Chatelhault became Chancellor of Scotland and keeper of the castles of Stirling and Endinburgh. He was advanced to the rank of Marquess in 1599. Another branch of the family is descended from his brother, Claude, who was made Lord Paisley in 1587 and later created Lord Abercorn. Abercorn was later raised to an earldom and finally a Dukedom in 1868. In reward for the 3rd Marquess' support, Charles I made Hamilton the premier peer in Scotland elevating him to a Duke. He led and army into England to rescue Charles I but was defeated at Preston in 1648. He was beheaded in 1649. The title fell to the Duke's daughetr Anne who married William Douglas, Earl of Selkirk. Her son the 4th Duke, died in a duel in London in 1712. The 5th and 6th Dukes extended the palace and built the splendid hunting lodge named Chatelhault. [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.tartans.com/clans/Hamilton/hamilton.html Modified=607B7602A0AFBE0161
[CTRL] Fwd: The Clan Kennedy (http://www.tartans.com/clans/Kennedy/kennedy.html)
http://www.tartans.com/clans/Kennedy/kennedy.html On the death of the tenth Earl the title passed to a kinsman who had settled in America. Captain Archibald Kennedy was an officer in the Royal Navy who held estates in Hoboken in New Jersey and became the greatest property owner in New York. He tried to be neutral during the American War of Independence, and was accordingly mistrusted by both sides. Half of his New York properties were confiscated, including number 1, Broadway, which was appropriated by George Washington. His son, the twelfth Earl, was a close friend of the Duke of Clarence, who, on his coronation as William IV, created him Marquess of Ailsa. The second Marquess, Archibald Kennedy, was killed in a hunting accident in 1870. His son succeeded to the title at the age of twenty-two, and after his death in 1938 the family title was borne by each of his three sons in turn. [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.tartans.com/clans/Kennedy/kennedy.html Modified=00BC657DA0AFBE01AC
[CTRL] Blood line of the Messiah into the tightly intermarried royal gene pool of Europe.Ê. . .?Ê
-Caveat Lector- from: http://x27.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/viewthread.xp?AN=485083094search=threadsvccla ss=dnserverST=PSCONTEXT=928631145.1469644925HIT_CONTEXT=928631145.146964492 5HIT_NUM=6REDO=1group=soc.genealogy.medievalfrpage=getdoc.xpback=clarinet A HREF="http://x45.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=483994579CONTEXT=928630767.1440219151 hitnum=22"Deja.com: "Blood line of the Messiah into the t /A - Community: Forum: alt.talk.royalty Thread: "Blood line of the Messiah into the tightly intermarried royal gene pool of Europe." Message 23 of 77 Subject:"Blood line of the Messiah into the tightly intermarried royal gene pool of Europe." Date:1999/05/31 Author:V.Verenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all, warning , the above topic coul not be taken too seriously, i prefer to refer to it as a current genealogical claiming,even though "not true one". This discussion will consist of two parts: A.first one , which will cover the jewish-ethiopian origin of Mountbattens, and through that lineage the future heirs of british throne.The article is taken from http://www2.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/pushkingene alogy.html and cover the "african" B.second one, dedicated to the analysis of Bagratids` genealogy from the Cleopa, brother of Jack,"step-father of Messuah",to first Bagrat. The main source is Varkhutsi Bagrationi`s book "The history of Georgia" both with Stewen Baldwin`s speculations on that account.The genalogy starts with Cleopa,goes through numberous generations to the house of ikshans of Armenia and kings of Georgia.Kings of Armenia entered into maritial relations with byzantine and bulgarian princes, through those marriages a plenty of daughters of byzantine dynasts was given as wifes to western princes, such as emperors of H.R.E.O.G.N, kings of Hungary etc,and many of Rurikids also concluded the marriage with greek princesses.Of course, it would not be hard to trace the relations between Arpads, Rurikids, Comnens etc and the head of present ruling houses.Even with ease! Part1.Dedicated to Bicenntiary Celebretion of Pushkin`s Birth (08.06.1799) I have put the complete article here: "Although the vast majority of African Americans are unfamiliar with Pushkin's monumental works, most students of literature are at least aware of his "Blackamoor of Peter the Great," an unfinished romance which relates the biographical data of the poet's great-grandfather, Ibrahim Petrovitch Gannibal his black great- grandfather. Some early critics wrongly suspected that Pushkin attempted to aggrandize the African lineage of this black forebear by playing up the family tradition that he was an Ethiopian princeling. However, Pushkin certainly did not need to embellish his ancestor's own personal history. For the accomplishments of Ibrahim Petrovitch Gannibal are proof of what any man -despite his colour - could rise to, given the opportunity. Ibrahim was treated as no less than a member of the royal family at court. To a divine rights monarch like Peter whose relationship to a nation of serfs was entirely paternalistic, a child as a personal gift or possession could only be regarded as one of his own kith and kin. Indeed, at the eight-year old Ibrahim's baptism, the Emperor himself was his godfather, while his godmother was the Queen of Poland. (the wife of Stanislav Leszynsky? or of August?) Although, as we now realize, no Blackamoor at any 18th century European court was merely decorative, in Ibrahim's case, Peter's expectations for him were as loaded with responsibility as those he would have had for his own son. If he was the Emperor whose patriotic duty it was to drag Russia spiritually and intellectually out of its Byzantine backwardness and into the future of the Enlightenment, then it would literally be Ibrahim's responsibility to care for his adopted country's physical formation and his defence of it. In 1717 the young blackamoor was sent to France for an education in both civil and military engineering. He studied at the Ecole d'Artillerie of La Fere under the brilliant Bernard Forest de Belidor and afterwards, at the Ecole d'Artillerie of Metz, an institution founded by the illustrious Sebastien Le Preste, Marquis de Vauban. Besides the education which prepared him for his long life of government service, Ibrahim returned from France with something he obviously regarded just as importantly - a name. Like any black kid today reaching back through time to clutch at whatever historical straw of affirmation he can reach for, Ibrahim not only identified as his model but appropriated as his surname that of the Carthaginian general, Hannibal. Although it could be argued that like Hannibal, he knew that he too would soon enough attain the rank of general, Ibrahim's choice probably betrayed an almost adolescent edge of race conscious defiance considering the threat this Punic potentate had once posed to Rome. Perhaps a better understanding of what Ibrahim intended to imply with his new name can be
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Al Gore and the Earth Spirit
-Caveat Lector- What a surprise! Some politicians are secretly driven by RELIGIOUS beliefs? "We know this report will strike some as bizarre," declared PDQ Director Cliff Hangar, "but this movement of anti-environmentalists and anti-human rights advocates is itself bizarre. It is also 'religious' in nature. There is, in fact, a church which treats the natural and this life as things to be reviled. Its members maintain religious altars featuring symbols of death like the crucifix, once used in ancient Rome to intimidate those who might question the state's authority, since it was used as a mode of execution. The evidence shows that this anti-nature spirit, sometimes called 'God,' is a reality to them," said noted journalist Hangar, author of this report. In the wake of the "Afterlife Summit" activities occurring behind closed doors in Washington this week, Hangar said belief in this "God" bears serious scrutiny from the mainstream press. "It appears as if some of the politicized aggression and punitiveness is driven by a religious fanaticism that embraces the 'God' concept," Hangar said. "They want to 'reject this world' because to them anything natural, physical, healthy and joyful is 'satanic'." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cold War II
-Caveat Lector- From SF Chronicle A New, Improved Cold War ARTHUR HOPPE Monday, May 31, 1999 ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999 /05/31/ED80214.DTL OH, HOW THE HEARTS of us old-timers leaped up when Russian negotiator Viktor Chernomyrdin began tossing threats around last week. Indict Milosevic, would we? Well, Russia might very well suspend its peace efforts, end military-technological cooperation with the West, delay the Start II nuclear arms treaty, and veto whatever's going on in the United Nations. Maybe we're being optimistic, but -- callooh! callay! -- this could well be the start of Cold War II. Think of the blessings. A decent Cold War would put an end to the vague dissatisfaction and drift that plagues our aimless nation. Nothing unites a country more than a mutual enemy. It's fear and loathing that stimulate unbridled patriotism. With Russia back in the nuclear trenches, we could once again march forward in common purpose. Dad could once again enjoy healthy exercise out in the backyard digging the family's little bomb shelter. Mom could once again bustle about the kitchen, putting up preserves for the coming Armageddon. And Junior could be in school, once again practicing duck and cover under his desk in order to save himself from thermonuclear bombs -- rather than the gunfire of his fellow students. Life would be far more exciting. Politicians could rant about ``The Evil Empire'' and revive such stirring battle cries as ``Better Dead than Red!'' Hollywood would be overjoyed to have honest-to- goodness villains once again. No one has been driven to more desperate straits by the great villain shortage than the movie makers. Remember ``Air Force One''? The bad guys were actually from the little former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan our most dreaded enemy? Only for fifth graders in spelling bees. Cold War I admittedly had a few drawbacks, but we learn from our mistakes. I'm sure we'll avoid bloody, pointless, ancillary wars like Vietnam or Afghanistan. Instead, we'll concentrate on one big Cold War II. And there's one fine thing about a Cold War. If it's properly conducted, no one gets hurt. Look how we're raining death and destruction from safe altitudes on the Serbs in a classic example of bad sportsmanship. But if Cold War II were raging, Milosevic would be a puppet of Moscow. Would we risk a nuclear holocaust just to take out a Russian puppet? Not on your life. Economically, Cold War II would be a godsend. We certainly wouldn't spend trillions this time on new warheads and missiles. The 10,000 or so already in our arsenal are surely enough. Best of all, we would be spared shipping billions of dollars to the Russians to shore up their teetering economy. What are enemies for? Of course, the Chinese might jealously demand a part in Cold War II. But we know pretty much what weapons the Chinese have. And the way our missiles have been falling out of the sky lately, we clearly don't have much to worry about. So you have to hand it to Mr. Clinton and his handling of the Kosovo crisis. If he hadn't plunged us into this Balkan civil war, the onset of Cold War II would never have stood a chance. That's our president -- always thinking of our welfare. Arthur Hoppe's column appears Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. It is also available at sfgate.com. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used
[CTRL] Double Vision
-Caveat Lector- Via NewsMax.CoM No Double Standards on War Criminals Alexander CockburnJune 3, 1999 Compared to Bill Clinton and his accomplices, Slobo is a piker when it comes to war crimes. Take Iraq. The sanctions imposed by the United States in 1991 have had a notoriously devastating effect on Iraq's civilian population, particularly the children. By the end of 1995 alone, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization said that after careful investigation, it had determined that as many as 576,000 Iraqi children have died as a result of sanctions. Using figures from Iraq's Ministry of Health, the World Health Organization estimated that 90,000 Iraqis were dying every year in Iraq's hospitals, over and above those who would have expired at the normal rate. In sum, it is beyond argument that the United States has engineered a program of enforced scarcity that has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. In the final months of World War II, the Nazis tried to delay the advance of the Allies by opening the dikes in Holland. The man issuing this order was the German high commissioner in Holland, Seyss-Inquart. By the end of 1944, about 500,000 acres of land had been flooded, leading to what historian Gabriel Kolko called "the most precipitous decline in food consumption any West European country suffered during the war." Of the 195 Nazis indicted at Nuremberg, Seyss-Inquart was one of 24 sentenced to death. I don't have the trial transcript at hand, but no doubt Seyss-Inquart was asked why he had opened the dikes. Perhaps he answered in the same words used by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. In 1996, Albright was asked the following question on CBS' "60 Minutes" by Lesley Stahl: "We have heard that half a million children have died (in Iraq). I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And you know, is the price worth it?" Albright infamously replied, "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think the price is worth it." So, back in Nuremberg time, Albright would certainly have been condemned and maybe hanged, if the standards applied to Seyss-Inquart had been leveled against her and if she had been on the losing side. So would her commanding officer, Bill Clinton. The protocols of the Geneva Convention of 1949 prohibit bombing not justified by clear military necessity. If there is any likelihood the target has a civilian function, then bombing is forbidden. NATO's bombers have damaged and often destroyed hospitals and health-care centers, public housing, infrastructure vital to the well-being of civilians, refineries, warehouses, agricultural facilities, schools, roads and railways. If Slobodan Milosevic goes on trial before the International Criminal Court, Clinton, Albright and Defense Secretary William Cohen should have their place on the court's calendar, too. And they may conceivably face that fate. Under the terms of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia -- a body set up by the U.N. Security Council in 1993 -- anyone can file formal complaints for the Tribunal's prosecutor in The Hague, Justice Louise Arbour, to consider within the terms of the Geneva Convention. Thus far, there have been three serious requests for investigation and indictment against the NATO leaders for their conduct against Serbia. Lawyers in Canada, Britain and France are now working together. Already, the Canadian team has sent Arbour requests for indictment against 67 persons for war crimes -- said persons ranging from Bill Clinton to NATO spokesman Jamie Shea, whom Canadian lawyer Michael Melman likened in role to William Joyce a k a Lord Haw-Haw, a propagandist for the Nazis hanged by the Allies at the end of World War II. Professor Melman, who teaches law at Osgood Hall Law School at York University in Toronto (of which, coincidentally, Louis Arbour is an alumna), says, "We have a great case. It will be a good test to see whether the law actually applies to powerful people." Among the indictable war crimes in the complaint prepared by the Canadian lawyers are: the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and kindred devastation, not caused by military necessity; the bombardment of undefended towns; the willful destruction of or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity or education (i.e., monasteries, hospitals and schools, all hit by NATO's bombs). "They've admitted publicly the essentials of all these crimes," Melman says. The suspicion is that the Tribunal is a legislative appendage of NATO's war machine. After all, the indictment of Milosevic had been ardently pressed for by the United States and the United Kingdom, and came at a convenient moment when public appetite in the West for the bombing was waning rapidly. What better way for this intrinsically dubious institution to demonstrate its objectivity than to
[CTRL] Civil Service
-Caveat Lector- Via OriginalSources.CoM Clinton Executive Order Gives Schizophrenics Equal Status in Government Hiring Executive order changes government's hiring rules for mentally disabled Copyright (c) 1999 Nando Media Copyright (c) 1999 Associated Press WASHINGTON (June 3, 1999 10:16 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - President Clinton will sign an executive order eliminating the federal government's strict practices that create barriers to the hiring or promotion of the mentally disabled, White House officials said Thursday. The president, in a prelude to Tipper Gore's White House Conference on Mental Illness next week, was announcing the policy change Friday at an East Room awards ceremony for private companies with exceptional track records in hiring people with disabilities. The wife of the vice president, who has taken a higher policy profile in the White House since Al Gore began his presidential campaign in earnest, announced in January that the Office of Personnel Management would examine the government's 22-year-old hiring rules to eliminate barriers for the mentally disabled. Clinton's executive order, officials said, would change civil service rules to ensure that people with psychiatric disabilities - such as schizophrenia, paranoia and others - are covered by the same hiring and promotion standards that apply to people with physical disabilities and the developmental disabilities that accompany mental retardation. A White House fact sheet, which estimated that more than 75 percent of the psychiatrically disabled are unemployed, said the new action "will level the playing field for individuals with psychiatric disabilities who are seeking employment and eliminate the institutional barriers that prevent them from bringing their enormous energy and talent to the work force." -- -- To E-mail Original Sources - Click Here Website: http://www.originalsources.com To E-Mail Mary Mostert, Analyst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax # (530) 642-8710 Return to Original Sources -- -- Webpage designed by Unlimited Chances You are visitor #56. Please visit us again! Picture: Original Sources Scroll -- -- ACTION ITEM -California - AB222-Adds Homosexuality to "Protected" Status Contact your member of the State Assembly and Senate about this bill. For California Members of Congress and State Assembly and Senate; Go to: http://www.originalsources.com/Candidates/cagov.shtml This week the California Assembly is considering AB 222, which requires schools to consider "sexual orientation" a protected status, along with race, color, sex, etc. This bill appears to make it illegal to teach youth in public schools the dangers of homosexuality, i.e. that the average homosexual in America has a 40 year SHORTER life span than the average heterosexual. It provides: LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST AB 222, as amended, Kuehl. Education: sexual orientation: nondiscrimination. (1) Existing law prohibits a person from being subjected to discrimination on the basis of sex, ethnic group identification, race, national origin, color, or mental or physical disability in anyprogram or activity conducted by an educational institution, including, among others, a public or private preschool, elementary, or secondary school or institution, the governing board of a school district, a public or private institution of vocational, professional, or post secondary education, the governing board of a community college district, the Regents of the University of California, or the Trustees of the California State University, that receives, or benefits from, state financial assistance or enrolls pupils who receive state financial assistance. This bill would prohibit this discrimination on the basis of sex, ethnic group identification, race, national origin, color, or mental or physical disability, whether any of those characteristics is actual or perceived, and would add sexual orientation, defined as actual or perceived heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality, as a prohibited basis for discrimination. (2) Existing law provides that the governing board of a school district and the governing board of a community college district have the primary responsibility for ensuring that programs and activities under their jurisdiction are free from discrimination based on ethnic group identification, religion, age, sex, color, or physical or mental disability. This bill would provide that the governing board of a school district and the governing board of a community college district primary responsibility for ensuring that programs and activities under their jurisdiction are free from discrimination based upon ethnic group
[CTRL] [15] From Major Jordan's Diaries
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: From Major Jordan's Diaries George Racey Jordan©1952 All rights reserved LCCN 52-6448 Western Islands 395 Concord Avenue Belmont. Massachusetts 02178 PRINTING HISTORY Harcourt, Brace edition published 1952 Free Enterprise edition published 1958 American Opinion edition published 1961 The Americanist Library edition published 1965 170pps out-of-print --[15]-- CHAPTER FIFTEEN Conclusion As final corroboration of the story which I have set forth in this book, I am going to call on testimony which comes from the other side of the Iron Curtain. It is the testimony of four people, two of whom are Russian and two American. The first witness is a former member of the Soviet Purchasing Commission, Victor A. Kravchenko, author of I Chose Freedom, who was questioned by the counsel for the House of Representatives Committee on Un-American Activities, Frank S. Tavenner, Jr., as follows: Mr. Tavenner: What position did you hold with the Soviet Government while you were in the United States? Mr. Kravchenko: I was economic attache of the Soviet Purchasing Commission from August 1943 to April 1944. Mr. Tavenner: Will you explain to the committee the set-up of the Soviet Purchasing Commission, that is, who controlled the activities in which the Commission was engaged, and any other pertinent matter regarding its functions which this committee would be interested in? Mr. Kravchenko: Yes. First I ask your permission to explain the general features of the situation during the war. Before we came to the United States-when I say "we" I mean all members of the Communist Party who bad more or less responsible duties or more or less responsible jobs-before we came to the United States, we had received instructions from the party. Mr. Tavenner: By "party" are you referring to the Communist Party? Mr. Kravchenko: Communist Party, of course, because in the Soviet Union there is only one party. In conversations which I had with officials of the Central Committee of the Party, I was told repeatedly: "You are going to the capitalistic United States. We are allies today because we need each other, but when the war is over and we shall have won victory-and we are sure we shall win itwe shall again become open enemies. We shall never modify our philosophy and our doctrine. We are allies in trouble, but both partners know that they hate each other. Sooner or later a clash between the two is inevitable. Until then the Allies will remain our friends and we shall cooperate in our mutual interests. For this reason and with an eye to the future we must study carefully the industry in the United States, the military industry, the civilian industry, all technological and industrial processes, and we must get hold of their secrets so that we can achieve similar results in our country and when the time comes we will be ready for the fight." Rep. Francis E. Walter: Did the Russians regard the United States as their enemy during the period we were fighting for the common cause? Mr. Kravchenko: Ideologically and secretly, yes. For example, every week we had closed Party sessions in our office in Moscow. Somebody would come from the Central Committee or from the Politburo. He would give us a speech on the international situation, the war situation, and so on, and would make it absolutely clear,I mentioned it in my book and it is not necessary to repeat, but I would like to mention that they always said and always repeated: "We are Allies because there is a war on. But we must realize that the Americans will never like us and we will never like them." Also, "We will never like the English and the French; I mean their political attitudes." And practicallyas a practical result of all this-every Soviet official, when he goes to the United States or to any other country, he always has two duties to perform. These duties go parallel: One of them is an official duty. For example, a man comes as a simple engineer to the Soviet Purchasing Commission, but before he comes to the United States, the Central Committee of the Party or some special government office or department, issues orders indicating where in the United States he must work, which factory or chemical plant, or any kind of industry he has to watch. I am talking now about engineers, because I was one of them and I know their work best. I dont know what orders were given by the general staff. Now, when this man came to the United States he had to do two jobs at the same time. The one was open and legal, and the other was conspiracy. And when he went back to the Soviet Union, the Soviet Government would appreciate his work in the U.S.A. according to the secret information he had gathered for the Soviet industry or for the military staff. All of us had such duties. Mr. Walter: Is that true of the diplomats as well? Mr. Kravchenko: Absolutely. They are absolutely no different. In 1943 or 1944 Mr. Rudenko, who was chairman of the Soviet Purchasing
[CTRL] [6] The Right People
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Right People - A Portrait of the American Social Establishment Stephen Birmingham©1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1968 Little, Brown and Company BostonoToronto LCCN 68-11525 360pps. out-of-print --[6]-- 6. Playing the Game ACCORDING to the best possible source the Social Establishment itself the most important college, socially, is unquestion-ably Yale, Princeton has a lot of glamour, but Yale is solider. Boston, naturally, has always favored Harvard, but it is only a particular part of Harvard a Harvard centered around such clubs as Porcellian, Fly, and Spec that is favored. (There are, in a very real sense, two Harvards. In the Porcellian Club, a one-way mirror on the dining room wall symbolizes the division; members, dining, can look out on the rest of the university as it passes by; non-members see only a re-flection of themselves. The two Harvards, therefore, neither speak to,nor recognize, each other.) Though Philadelphia prefers the St. Paul's-to-Yale route, it still sends a number of its upper-class sons to its own University of Pennsylvania, an institution which Philadelphians blandly admit is "second-rate Ivy League," and which other cities place far down on their lists. For company and solace at the University, the well-born young of Philadelphia huddle together in three select frater-nities Delta Psi (St. Anthony's), Delta Phi (St. Elmo's), and Zeta Psi and quite literally never meet anyone else. These three clubs are so selective and conservative that they have occasionally had years when they took in no new pledges at all; there was simply no one suitable to take in. New England's "little three," Williams, Amherst, and Wesleyan, are favorites of individual families, with the first two considered "better," from a social standpoint. Dartmouth has a rather raffish reputation, associated with hard drinking and long winter weekends. "A lot of Dartmouth men go into advertising,'; says one non-Dartmouth man. Also, a lot of them are Irish." (Nelson Rockefeller, Dartmouth '30, however, is neither Irish nor in advertising.) Notre Dame is not considered in the social running at all. Yale men are supposed to go into banking. (David Rockefeller, however, who is a banker, went to Harvard.) A rough indication and very rough of the social standing of American colleges is the Social Register, which lists college and classes of the socially registered. The Register has standard abbreviations for all the colleges of the Ivy League Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, the University of Pennsylvania, and "perhaps Cornell." For years, however, it listed only two of the "little three" omitting Wesleyan, though it long included the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Trinity, and, somewhat mysteriously, Union College, Rutgers, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Johns Hopkins, C.C.N.Y., and N.Y.U. For reasons equally mysterious, the only women's college honored with its own Social Register symbol is Barnard, although Smith, Vassar, and Bryn Mawr, of the "seven sister" women's colleges, are all a good deal more fashionable. And none of these may be as prestigious as certain of the women's junior colleges Bennett, Briarcliff, and Colby. Recently, Wesleyan was recognized and given its own Social Register symbol, "Wes," indicating a possible improvement of its status. At the same time it has seemed to a few sensitive observers that Wesleyan is only partway into the Social Register. Though other collegiate symbols are translated in full in a key at the front of the book "J Hop," for instance, is said to stand for "Johns Hopkins Graduate" "Wes" is somewhat sneeringly dismissed as "Wesleyan Univ. Grad." The Social Register makes allowances for graduates of both Annapolis and West Point, but has never recognized the United States Air Force Academy, and, of course, regional editions reflect local preferences. The San Francisco Register has symbols for Stanford and the University of California and, of the Eastern colleges, for only Yale, Harvard, and Princeton. The Washington book adds Georgetown and George Washington University, lists all the Ivy League except Cornell, and in another hard-to-fathom move, adds Hobart, which is in upstate New York. There are other social "list" books besides the Social Registerthough none considered as "reliable" and a glance at their stand on colleges reveals that there may be a connection between the colleges and universities recognized and the alma maters of the lists' publishers. The National Social Directory, for instance, in its "The List of Society," gives the nod to all the colleges of the Ivy League and the "little three," plus in an attempt, perhaps, to give the publication the appearance of national scope four others: Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois; Northeastern University, in Boston; Southwestern University (whether of Los Angeles or of Georgetown, Texas, the
[CTRL] [7] Ritual Abuse
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Ritual Abuse Margaret Smith©1993 HarperCollins Publishers 10 East 53rd Street New York, NY 10022 ISBN 0-06-250214-X 213pps out-of-print --[7]-- Chapter 7 Getting Out This chapter was difficult to write because I didn't want to scare anyone. After thinking it over I decided I had to tell people all that I know in order to give survivors the tools they need to protect themselves from their abusers. Not surprisingly, like most destructive cults, violent cults try to control almost every aspect of their members' lives. When ritual abuse survivors have the courage to remember adult ritual abuse, they remember what seems to be willing participation in these violent rituals. They usually remember that loved ones and close family members are involved in the cult. When survivors have these memories, they are overcome with fear and disbelief I don't want survivors to be overcome with panic. I want them to believe their personalities, who want to protect them from further victimization. Based on my own experience, here are some suggestions to help survivors get through these difficult times. 1 . Don't let fear consume you. Tell your personalities that you must control your fear until you are safe. If you become overwhelmed with your fear you won't be able to effectively protect your-self. You might become paralyzed and give up. 2. Allow your personalities to remember information about the current ritual abuse memories without the physical sensations or emotions. From these memories, you must make decisions about how to protect yourself from further victimization. 3. Don't be surprised if you remember close friends and family members who are involved in the ritual abuse. If you do remember their involvement, you might be overwhelmed with grief from potentially losing a relationship with them. Although you must limit contact with loved ones who are still involved in the cult, you can still love them and have them in your life. In order to protect yourself you must exercise certain precautions, but you may find that your loved ones are in the same boat that you are. They are also victims waiting for change. 4. It is in your friends' best interest that you break free. Once You're free, the cult can no longer force them to hurt you. You show loved ones that it's not hopeless. There is a way out. 5. Don't alienate your personalities who seem to be willing participants in the cults. It is important to remember your own victimization. If you befriend these cult personalities, they can help you break free. If you alienate them or disbelieve them, they will turn to the cult for support. 6. You don't always have to be aware of the behaviors of these cult personalities in order for them to help you. If you have their respect, they can slowly manipulate their abusers, loosening their ties to the cult. They can plan their escape, while you learn to protect yourself from victimization. Remember: 1. Cults don't usually kill members who were ritually abused as children. In their eyes, such people are an investment, and they will wait indefinitely to collect on their investment. 2. In time they will stop pursuing you because it reminds them that they are losing. In an arrogant stance, they will leave you alone, still believing you will come back eventually. 3. As you are breaking free, if you have personalities that are still returning to the cult, they will be reprogrammed and tortured. This will make you especially fearful and confused. At this point, make the break as soon as possible. Keep control of your fear, and manipulate your abusers however you have to in order to make yourself safe. 4. You don't have to punish yourself for searching for freedom. 5. Each day your mind will become clearer, and you will find they -have less control over your life. Someday you will truly know the meaning of the word freedom. HOW LENGTH OF ABUSE INFLUENCES ABILITY TO LEAVE The length of time that survivors were abused generally determines whether they will be able to get out of the cult before memories of the abuse surface as an adult. A survivor who was abused outside of the home only for a short duration of time-who was not forced to participate for the first eighteen years of life-has some freedom from the cult brainwashing. A survivor who was raised from infancy to adulthood in a cult, however, faces a different situation because the cult controlled almost every aspect of this persons life. Survivors who grew up in cults have the most difficult time ever breaking free. Abuse for a Short Duration of Time During Childhood Some children are ritually abused in day-care centers for two or three years, or by only one family member for a short duration of time. These children spend most of their lives away from the cult learning a different way of life. Although the programming and pain of the ritual abuse remains hidden in their minds, they still
[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary June 6 Elaine Bernard
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Michael Albert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:ZNet Commentary June 6 Elaine Bernard Date sent: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:29:05 +0100 Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Elaine Bernard. The attached file is the same material in nicely formatted html so that you can read it in your browser if you wish. To pass this comment along to friends, relatives, etc. please note that the Commentaries are a premium sent to monthly donors to Z/ZNet and that to learn more about the project folks can consult ZNet (http://www.zmag.org) and specifically the Commentary Page (http://www.zmag.org/Commentaries/donorform.htm). Here then is today's ZNet Commentary... -- The Right to Organize - A Week of Action Elaine Bernard ZNet Commentary, June 3/99. For seven days in June, from the 19th to the 25th, unions and their allies all over the US will be organizing hearings and forums, rallies and actions aimed at drawing public attention to the dismal state of labor rights, especially the most fundamental of labor rights - the right to organize. Using the theme "our voices heard, our choices respected" actions will highlight the widespread use by management of coercion, harassment and firings. With an estimated 10,000 workers fired each year for attempting to exercise their right to form a union, and with 80% of employers hiring anti-union consultants to coach them in union avoidance at the first sign of a union organizing campaign, the denial of this fundamental human right has reach epidemic proportion in the US. Now's a good time, for social justice activists to reconsider the workplace as an important terrain of struggle. For too long, there has been an irrational and self-defeating division of duties among progressives in the US in which unions organize workplaces, while other groups, the so-called social movements and identity groups, organize in the community. Even the term "labor movement" has come to mean simply trade unions, which are supposed to focus on narrowly defined bread-and-butter workplace issues -- wages and benefits. This topical and organizational division of turf misleadingly implies that there is an easy division between workplace issues and other social struggles. And that wages and benefits are somehow unifying while other social issues are divisive. These separate spheres of influence have often contributed to the sad fact that US progressives often march in solidarity with labor movements and workers around the world, but rarely give a thought to the plight of the working majority here at home. For activists striving for social and economic justice, the workplace is a crucial environment for organizing. Indeed, it is often already organized, and not only when it is unionized; even non-union employees tend to share common hours, lunches and breaks, and most still go every day to a common location. By definition, everyone at the workplace is earning money, so it's a resource-rich community in comparison to many other locations. Much of the production of goods and services occurs there. Decisions of great importance are made and acted upon. It is a place where global capital puts it foot down. And anywhere capital puts its foot down, there is an opportunity for people to act upon it and influence it. For all of these reasons, the workplace is an important location for organizing -- and not just for immediate bread-and-butter issues, important as they may be. The worksite is also a place where workers learn that they actually have few rights to participate in decisions about events of great consequences to their lives. As power is presently distributed, workplaces are factories of authoritarianism polluting our democracy. Workers cannot spend eight or more hours a day obeying orders and accepting that they have no rights, legal or otherwise, to participate in important decisions that affect them, and then be expected to engage in robust, critical dialogue about the structure of our society. Eventually the strain of being deferential servants from nine to five diminishes our after-hours liberty and sense of civic entitlement and responsibility. Thus, the existing hierarchy of employment relations undermines democracy. This is not to suggest that all workers are unhappy, or that all workplaces are hellish. Rather, they are unique locations where we have come to accept that we are not entitled to the rights and privileges we normally enjoy as citizens. Consider how normal it seems that employers, even very progressive employers, when asked how they would feel if "their" employees were to form a union, respond that they would view such an act as a personal rebuke, a signal that they had failed and a rejection of their management. Consider for a moment, why are such paternalistic attitudes which would be quickly
[CTRL] Cradle of Non-Violence/Encryptology
-Caveat Lector- From defence-data.com India seeks African shells June 4th, 1999 by Leon Engelbrecht, Defence Systems Daily's correspondent in South Africa An Indian newspaper is reporting that the country's defence ministry is "finalising terms" with South Africa's state-owned defence industrial group, Denel, to purchase "155mm shells for Bofors howitzers". The Indian Express reports that the howitzers are being used extensively by Indian troops fighting insurgents in the Kargil district of the disputed Kashmir region. The report said the Indian government is likely to finalise the deal over the next few days. The Indian Express said the military was hoping to buy 25,000 shells, at US $1000 each. That takes the total price tag to US $25m. The report stated that India was also seeking to buy ammunition elsewhere as its stocks have become severely depleted because of the upswing in fighting Kashmir. A further US $22m is said to be available for those purchases, making the total US $47m. India has a domestic production capability but this has reportedly been severely affected by US sanctions imposed in the wake of last year's nuclear weapons tests. The report has not been independently verified and Denel has yet to comment. India bought the FH-77 howitzers from Sweden in the 1980s but a bribery scandal afterwards soured relations and India turned elsewhere for ammunition and related expendables. Reunert Group defence-electronics company, Fuchs, recently supplied India with an order of 155mm fuses. India has also bought ammunition locally before. Denel's shell production facility is located at Potchefstroom in the Northwest Province (about 100km south-west of Johannesburg) and is in the care of its Naschem subsidiary. Naschem says its 155mm "shell projectile is at the core of the headline-making G5 and G6 gun-howitzer system. They have been used to great effect in 39, 45 and 52 calibre guns of various origins..." The shell is available with or without base bleed and comes in three types: HE, Practice and cluster. Another feature of Naschem's 155mm shells are that "boat tails and base bleed motors are totally interchangeable". India may also be interested in the Somchem (a sister company to Naschem within the Denel group) VLAP or velocity enhanced long range artillery projectile. The company's brochure says VLAP is a "velocity enhanced 155mm projectile designed to extend the operational range for most 39, 45 and 52 calibre howitzers by about 10 kilometres". It says VLAP is a supplementary sub-system to existing ammunition systems that requires no special drills or logistics. VLAP should be available to clients this year. But before spending too much attention on what India can buy in South Africa, it may prove worthwhile to see if they will be allowed to buy anything at this time. Armaments exports by South Africa are regulated by the National Conventional Arms Control Committee. This is a cabinet-level committee headed by (Water Affairs and Forestry) Minister Kader Asmal, the ruling ANC's chief expert on ethics and a noted lawyer and professor of human rights. The committee also includes the ministers for defence, trade and industry, safety and security, foreign affairs and intelligence. The committee has not met since the Kashmiri crisis erupted and is unlikely to do so in the next few weeks. South Africa is now in the interregnum between yesterday's general election (won by the ANC) and the inauguration of outgoing President Nelson Mandela's successor, Thabo Mbeki. Before the committee can meet Mbeki must appoint his cabinet and several of the ministers serving on the committee are either retiring or are likely to be shuffled. Indications are that Asmal himself will get a new post. Mbeki is only being inaugurated on June 16th. Therefore any meeting of the NCACC will probably not take place until after that date. All exports are approved by the committee on a case-by-case bases. Exports to combatants are usually declined, though this should not stand in the way of any negotiations aimed at concluding a contract. REF XQQMA XQQLD Australia eases export control rules June 4th, 1999 Changes to Australia's export control list should reduce significantly lead times to issue export permits for a variety of telecommunications products and encryption software. An amendment to the Defence and Strategic Goods List (DSGL) approved by the Minister for Defence incorporates changes agreed multi-laterally over the past 12 months by members of four non-proliferation and export control regimes. "These include the Missile Technology Control Regime, Nuclear Suppliers Group, Wassenaar Arrangement and the Australia Group," the Director General of Exports and International Programmes, Mr Maurice Hermann, said yesterday. He said although the amendment includes more than 200 major changes, most Australian exporters should
[CTRL] killer mice, geons, and reality....
-Caveat Lector-
'Quantum physics' raises questions about mind control,
media violence and censorship, manchurian candidate killers,
W.J. Clinton's weasel mind ("Depends what 'is' is"), who's
responsible for paranormal phenomenon [viewer's mind(s)?],
possible alien visitation, and the controlling of our future
by (competing) minds and (public or secret) societies, etc...
BK
forwarded messages
From: Vilik Rapheles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999
Subj: [oxyplus] Couldn't resist...
Just found the following article. Some discussion follows:
HARD ROCK MUSIC CREATES KILLER MICE!
David Merrell, a high school student from Suffolk, Virginia,
has won top honors in regional and state science fairs for his
experiment involving mice, a maze and hard-rock music.
After establishing a baseline of about 10 minutes for the mice to
navigate the maze, David started playing music 10 hours a day, then
put the mice through the maze three times a week for three weeks.
His findings: the control-group mice, which did not listen to any
music, were able to cut five minutes off their time; the mice that
listened to classical music cut 8.5 minutes off their time; and the
mice that listened to hard-rock music took 20 minutes longer to
navigate the maze.
David said, "I had to cut my project short because all the
hard-rock mice killed each other ... None of the classical mice
did that at all."
~~~
However...
Do you remember the notorious experiment where plants thrived to
classical music and withered with rock? Well, subsequently it was
determined that the person doing the experiment loved classical
music and hated rock. When a person was found who loved rock, and
that person did the experiment, the results were reversed.
I read the original news story about David and the killer mice.
(Washington Times, 2 July 1997.) It was clear he went into the
experiment with predetermined beliefs about hard rock.
"Don't let your kids listen to hard rock music," he said. "I think
it has a major negative effect." TO PROVE HIS POINT (captials
added) David assembled three separate groups of 24 mice..."
Kind of calls in question most scientific research, because most
scientists go into an experiment with a bias. So... do experiments
prove "facts", or do they prove the belief system of the researcher?
Hmmm
~^^V^^~
From: Vilik Rapheles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999
Subj: [oxyplus] Couldn't resist...
More on killer mice, the scientific method, and "reality"
~~~
According to quantum physics (as explained in Gary Zukav's
The Dancing Wu Li Masters), the experimenter and the experiment
CANNOT be separated. He says:
"The new physics, quantum mechanics, tells us clearly that it is
not possible to observe reality without changing it. If we observe
a certain particle collision experiement, not only do we have no
way of proving that the result would have been the same if we had
not been watching it, all that we know indicates that it would not
have been the same because the result that we got was affected by
the fact that we were looking for it. Some experiments show that
light is wave-like. Other experiements show equally well that
light is particle-like. If we want to demonstrate that light is a
particle-like phenomenon or that light is a wave-like pheonomenon,
we only need to select the appropriate experiment. According to
quantum mechanics, there is no such thing as objectivity. We
cannot eliminate ourselves from the picture. We are a part of
nature, and when we study nature there is no way around the fact
that nature is studying itself."
From: "Gary Hawkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Rife List" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999
Subj: [RF]: New Quantum Weirdness Theory Stuns Physics
snip
"Power is obtained through the prohibition of all
unsanctioned activity. True life and power are
therefore in direct opposition to each other."
-- Unknown
Article copied from:
http://www.strieber.com/
New Quantum Weirdness Theory Stuns Physics
"Physicist Mark Hadley of the University of Warwick claims that
he has solved the problem of quantum weirdness. Particles at the
subatomic level remain in a fuzzy state called "superposition"
until something affects them, whereupon they instantly focus into
a definite form. They may also be 'entangled' or connected in some
way that causes particles separated over long distances to change
either other's condition at speeds faster than light.
It has been theorized that the change in a particle from the fuzzy
uncertain state to certainty could be caused by the application of
a measuring tool, or even by the
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- Thank you, Eagle, for the great response!! At last, we have someone on the list who knows what it's like to be poor in America. There's a difference between reading about something and actually having to live it, isn't there? Without getting into too much of my own personal history, I will only tell you that I know what it's like to live on subsistence wagesto be on your own in a strange city...hustling for whatever work is available, and to be exploited by greedy employers. And I know what's like to live from paycheck to paycheck, and every trip to the market involves a number of trade-offs: should you buy food or should you use the money for essentials.. Unless you've been there, no one knows what that's like. Like you, I'm critical of "limousine liberals" who love humanity in the abstract, while they have only contempt for the poor as individuals. And there's no doubt about it. The poor are unloveable. They're often ignorant and have poor character. And growing up in some urban environments, it is a wonder that they're able to survive at all, given the fact that so much of poverty is generational. I don't have any magic bullet to cure the dynamic, and I would agree with you that the poor DO have many, many opportunities to improve themselves. But many of those ladders into "something better depend" on a variety of factors. IF you are in the wrong state, you're in trouble. Being poor in the south is different from being poor in a northern state where there are some basic services available. Of course, being poor is hard no matter where you live, but after having lived in a right-wing laissez faire southern state, I know that rural poverty can be just as horrible as the inner city kind. I found your remarks about your work experience particularly enlightening. In the small rural southern town where I lived for six years, thanks to "free trade," the textile mills closed down. The owners moved the plants to the Dominican Republic in order to take advantage of the cheap labor there. To add insult to injury, forgive the cliche, they asked many of them to train their Dominican replacements!!! You can imagine what the economic impact is on a town when its chief employers decide to pull up stakes and leave. Unlike capital, the people aren't as mobile. Think about it. Money can be moved in and out of a country with the flick of a computer switch, but people can't. Workers have homes, mortgages, commitments to their churches, schools and communities. But clearly, the way the economic game is played, the people are considered to be expendable. And this pattern is being repeated throughout all of America. Here in Fargo, North Dakota, Somalians, Laotians, South Asians, Russians have been brought in to work at subsistence level jobs. And the "new" Americans are not just taking service jobs. At the local university, there's been an active effort mounted to recruit Taiwanese, Pakistani, Indian professors for teaching positions. Helping the refugees, of course, are a network of church-sponsored social services. They help them obtain jobs, work permits, food stamps, rent subsidies, language instruction, psychological counseling and evaluation. All of this is taking place in a city that has THREE THOUSAND Americans (many of them families) living on a permanent basis in homeless shelters. Fargo is a medium-sized city, with a largely Norwegian/German population. Now, the city has a sizeable Muslim population in its midst. On any given day, you can find individuals wearing saris or the traditional garb of the middle east. So far, there has been little thought given to the possible explosive racial/class/cultural conflicts that will ensue, once the immigrants begin to compete with the local populace for the few good jobs. Already, we've had a local chapter of the Crips come in from Chicago in order to try and organize the local black and latino youth. Racial tensions are already here; but the government/religious/political establishment has decided, in its infinite wisdom, that the city can accomodate its share of Kosovo Albanians as well. Clearly, "free trade" involves a complete restructuring and reorganization of this society. And what scares me the most is that it looks like our country is moving rapidly into a fascistic/totalitarian direction that none of us can stop. On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Eagle 1 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Mr. Turnstall, First of all, your assumption that I am mad, is wrong. Not at all. As a matter of fact, I am extremely happy to have my FREEDOM back. :-)) Secondly... I was not quarreling with you . . . I was merely commenting, after your previous comments. Thirdly... The government should NOT be providing much of anything, except perhaps, a small amount of HELP for a short period of time, and should be originating not only education, but also providing a springboard, in a job to help build some self-worth and
[CTRL] IUFO: PLEASE READ THIS MESSAGE ENTIRELY (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:00:15 -0600 From: Dr Byron Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: (PLEASE READ THIS MESSAGE ENTIRELY.] --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:26:28 -0700 To:(Recipient list suppressed) From: "A.C." Subject: to the few: PLEASE READ THIS MESSAGE ENTIRELY. You might recall from my most "suspicious in tone" message after the Columbine massacre, that I was sure there were "officials" involved at that "planned" massacre, which was in effect a treacherous performance of psychological warfare, to accomplish a certain outcome. Now, while I do not subscribe to UFO/sightings beliefs or philosophies, I sense that at least some of the data in the following message, at this site, is worth some serious thought and action, for those of us who have any sound connections. The data may be mere counter propaganda, for the consumption of we the "conspiracy theorists," but considering some of the logistics mentioned below, there's more to look at. What do you think of it? ac http://www.sightings.com/politics2/coverup.htm SIGHTINGS The Columbine Massacre Conspiracy And Coverup In Littleton c1999 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk, Inc. All Rights Reserved 6-2-99 MAJOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS NATO AT COLUMBINE! PROOF! 2-STAR GENERAL AT COLUMBINE c 1999 NewsHawk Inc. All Rights Reserved 6-1-99 In support of growing indications that NATO and/or other NON-US military personnel were at the scene of the Columbine High School massacre comes the following email from Scott Waterhouse in NYC. In fact this reporter remembers seeing this exact video footage; the Sheriff's department representative alluded to in Scott's email is IN FACT Officer Steve Davis of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department. It is NOW CONFIRMED that a two-star general was at Columbine High School very soon after the massacre began! BINGO Considering the obvious usurpation of the once relatively benign and purely defensive NATO and it's military machine by New World Order proponents Blair, the Royal Family [who by the way own MASSIVE amounts of property in the DENVER AREA!], Clinton and even MORE SO GORE, and a staggeringly long list of other traitors, sellouts; AND considering the growing indications of a devious and fundamentally malicious NATO/NWO agenda in the mushrooming Balkans World War 3 warmup, the NATO presence at and involvement in the slaughter at Columbine High School would seem to auger EXTRAORDINARILY NEGATIVELY for the immediate future of our nation. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Scott Waterhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FYI Columbine Newshawk: I witnessed an interview of the PR guy for the Sheriff [blue eyes, dark moustache, silver fox dye job] who fielded a reporters question asking the identity of the Two Star General who was on scene shortly after the incident began. The reporter stated that they had reviewed tape, and saw the General in the video. The PR guy did not deny it was possible, but feigned ignorance about any person or such an incident. I saw this here in NYC on either MSNBC or CNN @ 36 hours after the incident. Your doing a great job.please post me to keep my updated. Thanks Scott In what this reporter feels is some of the most bizarre, disturbing, inexplicable and chilling news yet about the Columbine High School shooting incident is news that a large NATO truck--possible more than one--and obviously at least some NATO troops, were reportedly present at Columbine High School within MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTING BROKE OUT! I ws notified by email by a TV viewer who DISTINCTLY recalls seeing the NATO vehicle while watching local TV station Fox-WFLD in Chicago shortly after the massacre began. The local station was picking up a live feed from a CNN chopper in the air above Columbine High School. We have spoken with a station representative of WFLD and can at least verify that indeed they WERE broadcasting the feed as stated. WFLD however apparently has no video record of their own as they were rebroadcasting CNN's (live) video. This information is EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, powerful evidence of what an utter lie the entire American populace is living under regarding the true, fundamental status of our nation, who's actually running it, and it's very socio/political foundations. This is literally
Re: [CTRL] Marilyn Manson on Littleton....
-Caveat Lector- does anyone have any information on the deaths of the kids that did the shooting. did they commit suicide like the media said or were they gunned down by the fbi? and that is why the big bombs were not exploded. drbongo DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] political emergency alert
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/05/1999 5:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HR1790 and the bioterroism initiative are scary new attacks on American citizens by our government. H.R. 1790 is scary all right, and it's not completely available on Thomas. I had my congressman send me a copy. It's ten pages of how to eliminate the American citizen's "right to know." You would never know what it really is from reading the title or the description of its content. It gets really interesting in some of the following passages: This concerns release of information in electronic form (in particular) or in printed form as well under some circumstances. Anyway, one of the more interesting paragraphs says: "Any officer or employee of the United States, or any officer or employee of a State or local government, who knowingly violates a restrition or prohibition established by this subsection, shall be fined under section 3571 of title 18, United States Code, imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.' It goes on with the next encouraging words: "The Administrator may collect and maintain records that reflect the identity of individuals and persons seeking access to information under this section only to the extent that such collection and maintenance is relevant and necessary to accomplish a legal purpose " There is also the following: "After consulting with other Federal agencies, the Administrator may make off-site consequence analysis information available to the public in an electronic form that DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION CONCERNING THE IDENTITY OR THE LOCATION OF THE STATIONARY SOURCES FOR WHICH THE INFORMATION WAS SUBMITTED. No other officer or employee of the United States, nor any officer or employe of a State or local government, may make off-site consequence analysis information available to the public in such form except as authorized by the Administrator." What I am reading here is that the public has no right to know, and if anybody tells them he will be fined and put in the slammer. I wish I knew more about Virginia. Isn't Olin or somebody headquartered there? Mr. Bliley appears to be a sneaky and evil man. He has a lot of help. This bill has already had two hearings before the Commerce Committee. It still has the Government Reform and the Judiciary to go. It is zooming along like a guided missile. The precedent it would set is horrifying. I heard a part of the first hearing in the Commerce Committee. C-SPAN ran it at 5:00 a.m. on a Thursday morning. The representative of the Fraternal Order of Police who talked was very happy at the prospect of being able to keep records on anyone who asked to see certain information. They seemed to be asking for positive input from one Atty Susman. It was never clear whom he represented. Mr. Bliley[s bill got a plug from Mr. Bilbray. He is also a Republican but while Mr. Bliley is from Virginia, Mr. Bilbray is from California. He and the police want information about environmental hazards restricted to those who "have a need to know and can be trusted to use it properly." And of course can be relied upon not to make chemical companies uncomfortable. If this bill passes, democracy (which requires an informed citizenry) is dead. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] draft-dodging rapist May Send 7,000 Troops to Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday June 2 2:06 PM ET US May Send 7,000 Troops to Kosovo Full Coverage NATO - Serbia War By BARRY SCHWEID AP Diplomatic Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The military service chiefs will meet with President Clinton Thursday to discuss options in NATO's conflict with Yugoslavia, including the possible use of ground troops for a land invasion of Kosovo, Defense Secretary William Cohen said today. Members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will discuss ``the whole range of issues ... including considerations about whether there should be or could be a ground option'' and whether NATO would support such a shift in strategy, Cohen told reporters. Responding to questions during a photo-taking session in his Pentagon office, Cohen said there are no firm plans for any use of ground forces in Kosovo beyond the enlarged peacekeeping force now in the works. And he said ``there is no other planning'' ready to be presented to Clinton on ground force options. Clinton, during a commencement address today at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., announced the United States would contribute 7,000 U.S. troops to some 50,000 international forces for Kosovo peacekeeping. The president, who has all but ruled out a ground invasion, urged Americans to stick behind the 10-week-old airstrike strategy. ``We cannot grow weary of this campaign because Mr. Milosevic did not capitulate when the first bombs fell,'' he said. ``If we have the patience and determination to match the courage and skill of the men and women in uniform we will achieve our goals.'' Clinton also noted the deployment this week of 68 additional U.S. aircraft for the air war. The planes are part of a 176-aircraft increase approved by Cohen on May 6. It includes a squadron of 12 F-16 fighters, two squadrons of F-15E attack planes and 20 air tankers. Officials have said the planes would be based in Turkey, although Pentagon officials declined to publicly confirm that. Some 16,000 NATO troops are now stationed in neighboring Macedonia and about 14,000 are to be added. On a visit here, Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski said the Macedonian parliament had taken the position Macedonia should not be used for attacks on any of its neighbors. And, he said at a news conference after seeing Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Greece, Hungary and Bulgaria have similar positions. However, Georgievski said, if NATO decides to invade, ``We will have to put it to the Macedonian parliament again.'' Georgievski, leader of the tiniest Balkans nation, appealed also for U.S. assistance. Albright, responding, said Congress already has approved $22 million in economic assistance and $15 million in technical aid. Cohen stressed that the administration and NATO are committed to continuing the air campaign and using ground troops in a peacekeeping role only after there is a peace agreement with Belgrade. Nonetheless, when pressed for details on Thursday's meeting, Cohen said, ``I'm sure there will be a full range of discussions, questions about whether or not there would be any kind of a ground option for a nonpermissive environment.'' He added that there is no NATO consensus for a ground invasion. White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said the focus of Clinton's meeting with his military advisers would be ``the air campaign and its effectiveness.'' ``You should not look at this as a decision meeting,'' Lockhart said, stressing the idea is simply to discuss all NATO options available. Other administration officials, meanwhile, said today that a U.S.-Russian plan for a new diplomatic overture to Yugoslavia has not resolved all differences on what kind of peacekeeping force would go into Kosovo, but Albright said there was ``sufficient agreement'' to move forward on the initiative. State Department spokesman James P. Rubin said it was ``an open question'' whether Russia would participate in sending peacekeepers under NATO command and with NATO at its core as demanded by the allies. But in a gesture to Moscow, Rubin said the Clinton administration would not object to adoption of a resolution by the United Nations to endorse the peacekeeping plan after a settlement to protect returning refugees. Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic previously had flatly rejected the plan and NATO's demands for a withdrawal of virtually all Serb troops from Kosovo. Russian mediator Viktor Chernomyrdin and President Martti Ahtisaari of Finland were going together to Belgrade today to present the new diplomatic initiative. The plan grew out of lengthy talks in Bonn, Germany, with Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, Chernomyrdin and Ahtisaari. ``We think the areas of agreement are sufficiently large to justify a joint trip,'' Rubin said. ``The ball clearly is in Mr. Milosevic's court.'' Chernomyrdin said NATO troops will be under NATO command, while the Russian troops will be controlled by the Russian command. Talbott, speaking later, said the Western alliance
Re: [CTRL] ACTION: CAMPAIGN TO REMOVE [waco]RENO(for Prudence)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/05/1999 6:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Prudence, Molly's Site is down. You have a source for the article on the waco witch genertrix reno? H, cute. Her column was printed in my hometown newspaper. I was stunned. For years I had been saying they wouldn't publish Molly Ivins if she was announcing a cure for cancer; then, there it was. This was about four days ago, so I imagine that any moderate to liberal paper might have included it Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NRA Fires Back at Spike, Rosie [Charlton Heston]
-Caveat Lector- NRA Fires Back at Spike, Rosie by Daniel Frankel June 1, 1999, 6:20 p.m. PT It was only two weeks ago that Rosie O'Donnell made headlines by getting on Tom Selleck's case about appearing in a National Rifle Association advertisement. Imagine the talk-show host's surprise Tuesday, when she opened USA Today to find her own name appearing--alongside fellow NRA critic Spike Lee's--in one of the gun-lobbying organization's full-page print ads. The ad, headlined, "SPIKE LEE, ROSIE O'DONNELL AND THE REST OF THIS COUNTRY'S GUN HATERS NEED TO READ THIS," features a fairly lengthy transcript to a speech given by NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre last week to a House Judiciary subcommittee. Perhaps taking aim at O'Donnell--and the persistent anti-gun stance she's taken on her syndicated talk show in the wake of the Columbine High School shooting tragedy--LaPierre implicates what he calls "made-for-TV lawmaking" in a discussion ostensibly to clarify his organization's position on gun-control. "It needs a villain," he explains. "So good Americans have been exposed daily to a well-coordinated, systematic bashing of the National Rifle Association's membership as somehow a reckless societal pathogen, a mighty extremist empire opposed to safety, caution and reason." Lee--quoted late last month at the Cannes Film Festival as saying of NRA President Charlton Heston, "Shoot him--with a .44 caliber Bulldog," and adding he'd like to "dismantle" the NRA--received more direct treatment from LaPierre. "It's reasonable for well-meaning people to convene hearings like this to find and fashion solutions," he says in the ad. "What's unreasonable is when a new level of hate rhetoric becomes acceptable because it's aimed at honest gun owners, as in the violent language of influential filmmaker Spike Lee...By his defiant silence, instead of a quick apology most American role models would offer, he sanctions hate..." For his part, Lee has spoken about the matter, indicating he was very clear with reporters at the time that his comments were made merely in fun. "I intended it as ironic, as a joke to show how violence begets more violence," Lee says. "I told everyone there it was a joke. I said I did not want to read in the papers, 'Shoot Charlton Heston.'" http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,4847,00.html Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Test (please ignore)
-Caveat Lector- I can't access the internet. I called my ISP and they told me all of ATT is DOWN. Y2K? Terrorism? or just ... ? Joe DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Armed to the Teeth, and Free
-Caveat Lector- fwd Gavin Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:41:17 -0700 From: Forest Glen Durland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Safe Guns June 4, 1999 Armed to the Teeth, and Free By Stephen P. Halbrook, an attorney in Fairfax, Virginia, and author of "Target Switzerland." In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban "assault weapons," a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill Bradley (New Jersey), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley responded that the Swiss "are pretty dull." For those who think that target shooting is more fun than golf, however, Switzerland is anything but "dull." By car or train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right past the police station and no one bats an eye. (Try this in the U.S., and a SWAT Team might do you in.) Tourists--especially those from Japan, where guns are banned to all but the police--think it's a revolution. But shooting is the national sport, and the backbone of the national defense as well. More per capita firepower exists in Switzerland than in any other place in the world, yet it is one of the safest places to be. According to the U.N. International Study on Firearm Regulation, England's 1994 homicide rate was 1.4 (9% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 116, per 100,000 population. In the United States, the homicide rate was 9.0 (70% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 234, per 100,000. England has strict gun control laws, ergo, the homicide rate is lower than in the U.S. However, such comparisons can be dangerous: In 1900, when England had no gun controls, the homicide rate was only 1.0 per 100,000. Moreover, using data through 1996, the U.S. Department of Justice study "Crime and Justice" concluded that in England the robbery rate was 1.4 times higher, the assault rate was 2.3 times higher, and the burglary rate was 1.7 times higher than in the U.S. This suggests that lawfully armed citizens in the U.S. deter such crimes. Only the murder and rape rates in the U.S. were higher than in England. The small number of violent predators who commit most of these crimes in the U.S. have little trouble arming themselves unlawfully. The U.N. study omits mention of Switzerland, which is awash in guns and has substantially lower murder and robbery rates than England, where most guns are banned. Here are the figures: The Swiss Federal Police Office reports that in 1997 there were 87 intentional homicides and 102 attempted homicides in the entire country. Some 91 of these 189 murders and attempts involved firearms. With its population of seven million (including 1.2 million foreigners), Switzerland had a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. There were 2,498 robberies (and attempted robberies), of which 546 involved firearms, resulting in a robbery rate of 36 per 100,000. Almost half of these crimes were committed by non-resident foreigners, whom locals call "criminal tourists." Sometimes, the data sound too good to be true. In 1993, not a single armed robbery was reported in Geneva. No one seems to be looking at the Swiss example in the U.S., however. Congress is stampeding to pass additional firearm restrictions in response to the events of April 20, when two students used guns and bombs to murder a dozen classmates and a teacher in Littleton, Colorado. Yet in 1996, a man who legally owned guns under England's strict regulations went on a rampage, murdering 16 children and a teacher in Dunblane, Scotland. Parliament then banned all handguns and most rifles. But there have been no school massacres in Switzerland, where guns and kids mix freely. At shooting matches, bicycles aplenty are parked outside. Inside the firing shelter, the competitors pay 12-year-olds tips to keep score. The 16-year-olds shoot rifles with men and women of all ages. In fact, the tourist brochure "Zurich News" recommends September's Knabenschiessen (boy's shooting contest) as a must-see: "The oldest Zurich tradition . . . consists of a shooting contest at the Albisguetli (range) for 12 to 16 year-old boys and girls and a colorful three-day fun-fair." The event has been held since 1657, and attracts thousands of teenage participants and spectators. While many shoot for sport, all males aged 20 to 42 are required by militia system regulation to keep rifles and/or pistols at home. In addition, gun shops abound. Yet firearms are rarely used in crime. Homicide is tied to a willingness to resort to violence, not the mere presence of guns.
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: I find libertarianism to be not only a flawed approach to political and social issues...but also a dangerous one. snip extension of logical fallacy MJ: I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian. I see your use of ad hominem and the straw man run deep. I do, however, realize most people fear liberty, freedom and equality ... preferring the rape, enslavement and theft of some at the benefit of others. Regard$, --MJ Conservatism is sometimes a symptom of sterility. Those who have nothing in them that can grow and develop must cling to what they have in beliefs, ideas and possessions. The sterile radical, too, is basically conservative. He is afraid to let go of the ideas and beliefs he picked up in his youth lest his life be seen as empty and wasted. -- Eric Hoffer DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Whenever this government tries to help people, it does a miserable job. Why? Because in case you haven't noticed, for the most part, Americans, in general, hate the poor and the working class. BULLSHIT. Regard$, --MJ A man receiving charity always hates his benefactor -- it is a fixed characteristic of human nature. -- George Orwell Starting from this foundation of our constitutional faith and proceeding to inquire in what part of the Constitution the power of making appropriations for internal improvements is found, it is necessary to reject all idea of there being any grant of power in the preamble. When that instrument says, "We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity," it only declares the inducements and the anticipated results of the things ordained and established by it. To assume that anything more can be designed by the language of the preamble would be to convert all the body of the Constitution, with its carefully weighed enumerations and limitations, into mere surplusage. The same may be said of the phrase in the grant of the power to Congress "to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;" or, to construe the words more exactly, they are not significant of grant or concession, but of restriction of the specific grants, having the effect of saying that in laying and collecting taxes for each of the precise objects of power granted to the General Government Congress must exercise any such definite and undoubted power in strict subordination to the purpose of the common defense and general welfare of all the States. -- Franklin Pierce _First Annual Message_ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say NO To Socialized Health Care Today!
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: I feel sorry for you, MJ, if you equate humanitarian care for the elderly and the indigent with "stealing." MJ: I said no such thing. You confuse words with concepts AND you also confuse CHARITY with government theft. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: We have a moral and ethical responsibility to care for one another. snip MJ: How does this involve FORCIBLY taking money from some and providing it to others? William Hugh Tunstall wrote: My claim still stands. Welfare cuts hurt children the most. Do some research on the subject. snip MJ: Yes, you may claim such, but that does little to change the facts of WHERE the majority of the money goes ... which is to the elderly. THIS is contrary to your ORIGINAL 'claim'. Children learn by example ... when they view theft, rape and enslavement of others as OK, what 'model' do they seek to emulate? William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Outside of reading Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, and your usual right wing fare, have you ever journeyed into the heart of snip You are as well versed in the logical fallacy of ad hominem as many others within this forum. What those people you list above and elsewhere may or may not have said has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the statements I put forth. If you can refute *MY* statements kindly speak to them directly rather than clouding the issues. Regard$, --MJ The classic redistribution-of-wealth mentality works this way: A and B get together to impose a tax on C so they can give his money to D, who out of a mix of envy of C, gratitude to A and B, and selfishness, then votes for A and B again so they can repeat the process next year. A and B justify playing Robin Hood by claiming that C has plenty of money and, in any event, has a social responsibility to help 'the needy'. Of course, D is 'needy'. -- William Stanmeyer DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Changing Role of Police in Society
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-06-05 06:23:35 EDT, you write: From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] LETTER The Changing Role of Police in Society There were questions posted about the direction our corrupt government is going. I wanted to post this again, written some time ago by a friend, in order to help educate some folks new to the truth. I felt that this was the quenticential answer to the cowardice shown by the police at Columbine High School while several nut balls were on a shooting spree. Bill Holt Oregon --- The Thin Yellow Line that Protects Us by CARL WORDEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Vigo Examiner With the increased use of dynamic entry for even the most ordinary, non-violent white collar crimes, it occurs to me we are not witnessing an increase in Nazi -type police operations as much as we are a dramatic increase in cowardice among our police officers and their leaders. A job in law enforcement always came with a known and accepted risk, and those who tended to gravitate toward law enforcement jobs more often than not, reveled in that risk. These were real men and women who took crime head on. They placed themselves between us and the bad guys, and we all looked up to them as heroes when we were children. We considered each officer to be an upstanding, participating member of the community. Some of us even dreamed of growing up to be just like the people portrayed in the television series The FBI. Of course, that was before the FBI murdered Vickie Weaver and incinerated the congregation at the church in Waco and then covered both incidents up. Now cut to the present day. Police officers today are quite different from those I knew when I was growing up. The emphasis is more on college degrees today and less on traditional, face-to-face law enforcement. One major difference is that these new police officers want the job and the benefits, but they don't want to accept the risk their forefathers did. The risk is still there, but they have shifted that risk over to the population they have sworn to protect. Here are a few examples: In the days of yore, cops would develop a case against a known suspect, wait for the right moment when he was vulnerable, and then arrest him. It usually only took two cops to do the job. Nowadays, cops will obtain a no-knock search warrant based on nothing more than an anonymous tip from an anonymous source. (And the judges who issue those search warrants on such flimsy evidence have a lot of explaining to do.) Anyway, rather than develop any kind of hard evidence against the criminal beforehand, they use the no-knock search itself to make or break their case. It's a fishing expedition. The typical scenario involves up to twenty police officers dressed in black paramilitary combat gear who break down your door at around 3 AM, drag you and your loved ones out of bed screaming in terror, handcuff you and stick a fully automatic MP-5 submachine gun in your face. You get to lay there naked, or nearly so, while these police officers search (destroy) your premises for the evidence they didn't bother to develop before this eventful morning. There is a rule to estimate how long you're going to be left terrified on the floor like this: If your clean, your going to be on the floor for a very long time, because the cop who obtained that search warrant is feeling a lot of heat, and he's going to tear your house to shreds looking for any evidence of any crime whatsoever to make him look better. See, if they find evidence of criminal activity involving a completely different kind of trespass, they simply leave your ass hog- tied on the floor while they obtain a search warrant to look for what they've already found. The cop's not going to be the looser, even if he did make a mistake: You are. In the other scenario, you hear them breaking down your door, you grab your weapon off the nightstand in self defense as they burst into your bedroom and ... oops, you're dead! Or worse, you're up taking a leak when you realize something is going on outside. You grab your semi-auto AR-15 with it's 30 round clip and head downstairs to find out what's going on. As you approach the door, it is kicked in and you open fire, killing two police officers and seriously wounding two more before the others retreat to safety. Like the Branch Davidians, you allow the cops to drag their dead and wounded away while they, unbeknownst to you, plot how they are going to make you look like Charlie Manson to the whole world just before they get around to killing you. And make no mistake about it, killing you is the immediate goal in a case like this, and if you're innocent of any wrongdoing, killing you becomes even more expedient. But what led to all this? It is cowardice, ladies and gentlemen; pure
[CTRL] The real Bilderberger list.
-Caveat Lector- Bilderberg meetings Current List of Participants, Hotel Caesar Park Penha Longa, Sintra, Portugal June 3-6, 1999 Honorary Secretary General - Honorary Chairman, Halberstadt Victor - Davignon, Etienne, Professor of Economics, Leiden University, Chairman, Société Générale de Belgique. I - Agnelli, Umberto - Chairman, IFIL - Fianziaria di Partecipazioni S.p.A. E - Aguirre y Gil de Biedma, Esperanza - President of the Spanish Senate USA - Allaire, Paul A. - Chairman, Xerox Corporation. P - Amaral, Joaquim Freitas do Amaral - Member of Parliament. S - Aslund, Anders - Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. P - Balsemão, Francisco Pinto - Professor os Communication Science, New University; Chairman, Impresa, S.G.P.S. S - Barnevik, Percy -Chairman, Investo AB. USA - Bayh, Evan - Senator (D. Indiana). I - Bernabé Franco - Managing Director and CEO, Telecom Italia. S - Bildt, Carl - Member of Parliament. CDN - Black, Conrad M. Chairman, Telegraph Group Limited. F - Boucher, Eric Le - Chief Editor, International, Le Monde. USA - Boyd, Charles G. - Executive Director, National Security Study Group. CDN - Chastelain, John A.D. de - Chairman, Independent International Commission on Decommissioning. GB - Clarke, Kenneth - Member of Parliament. N - Clemet, Kristin - Deputy Director General, Confederation of Business and Industry. F - Collom, Bertrand - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge. USA - Corzine, Jon S. - retired Senior Partner, Goldman Sachs Co. P - Cravinho, João Cardona G. - Minister for Infrastructure, Planning and Territorial Administration. GR - David, George A. - Chairman of the Board, Hellenic Bottling Company S.A. USA - Dodd, Chistopher J. - Senator (D. Connecticut). USA - Donilon, Thomas E. - Attorney-at-Law, O'Melveney Meyers. TR - Erçel, Gazi - Governor, Central Bank of Turkey. TR - Ergin, Sedat - Ankara Bureau Chief, Hürriyet. USA - Feldstein, Martin S. - President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research. INT - Fischer, Stanley - First Deputy Managing Director, International Monetary Fund. I - Fresco, Paolo - Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. I - Giavazzi, Francesco - Professor of Economics, Bocconi University, Milan. CDN - Godsoe, Peter C. - Chairman and CEO, Bank of Nova Scotia. USA - Graham, Donald E. - Publisher, The Washington Post. NL - Grave, Frank H.G. de - Minister of Defense. P - Grilo, Eduardo C. Marçal - Miniter of Education. USA - Hagel, Chuck - Senator (R. Nebraska) S - Hedelius, Tom C. - Chairman, Svenska Handelsbanken. Status 3 June 1999 N - Hegge, Per Egil - Editor, Aftenposten. CDN - Herrndorf, Peter A. - Former Chairman and CEO, TV Ontario; Senior Visiting Fellow, University of Toronto. USA - Hoagland, Jim - Associate Editor, The Washington Post. N - Höegh, Westye - Chairman of the Board, Leif Höegh Co. SAS; Former President, Norwegian Shipowners' Association. USA - Holbrooke, Richard C. - Ambassador to the UN designate. B - Huyghebaert, Jan - Chairman, Almanij N.V. D - Ischinger, Wolfgand - State Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs. INT - Issing, Otmar - Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank. USA - Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - Senior Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer Feld, LLP (Attorneys-at-Law). BG - Kamov, Nikolai - Member of Parliament. TR - Kiraç, Suna - Vice-Chairman of the Board, Koç Holding A.S. USA - Kissinger, Henry A. - Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
Re: [CTRL] Adults Arrested Under New Loitering Law
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In a message dated 99-06-05 06:21:57 EDT, you write:
Oh, I think the Mad Hatter ought to run for mayor in Salida, Colorado.
Things just keep getting curiouser and curiouser. ICE
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From: David Adamchik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Adults Arrested Under New Law
Adults Arrested Under New Law
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, September 2, 1997
SALIDA, CO -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado has
filed a legal challenge to a controversial new ordinance here that
prohibits adults from spending more than five minutes in a public place
after 11 p.m.
The ordinance, enacted by the Salida City Council on May 19, outlaws
"loitering," which is defined as remaining in one location for more than
five minutes. The ordinance defines "one location" as "any two points
within two hundred feet of each other."
Salida police have charged 22 individuals with violating the ordinance
since its enactment.
The ACLU represents Josh Edelstein, 25, who lives in a downtown
apartment located above a business. Edelstein was standing on the
sidewalk in front of his apartment saying goodbye to some friends when
he received a ticket on June 11. The ticket charges that Mr. Edelstein
"stayed in an area of less than two hundred feet for more than five
minutes."
In a motion to dismiss filed by ACLU volunteer cooperating attorney
Ernest Marquez of Salida, the ACLU argues that the government has no
lawful power to impose a curfew on adults, nor does it have the power
to require that adults "keep moving" to avoid spending more than five
minutes in one location.
"This ordinance makes it a crime to wait for a ride in front of a
downtown theater after the late show lets out," Marquez said. "The
Constitution does not permit the government to pass a law that
transforms such ordinary innocent activity into a criminal offense."
The loitering ordinance has produced dissension and division in the small
town of Salida, which is located about two and a half hours southwest of
Denver.
On Friday August 22, 120 residents staged a "loiter-in" at 11 p.m. to
protest the ordinance and to sign a petition urging its repeal. Several
businesses have offered discounts to patrons who can produce a ticket
for loitering issued by the police.
The new ordinance is a toned-down version of a proposal that survived
a first reading at a city council meeting last spring. As originally
drafted,
the ordinance prohibited "lingering," "tarrying," or "standing idly about"
and applied at all times of the day as well as the night.
On April 18, the ACLU wrote to the City Council explaining that the
proposed measure would violate clearly established constitutional
precedents.
In response to concerns raised by the ACLU, the City Council revised
the ordinance so that the final version defines "loitering" more precisely
and makes it a crime only after 11 p.m.
According to the ACLU, however, the improvements are not sufficient.
"In essence, this ordinance establishes an 11 p.m. curfew for the entire
community," said Mark Silverstein, ACLU of Colorado Legal Director.
"No court in the country has ever approved a law that establishes a
general curfew for adults.
"On the contrary," Silverstein said, "the courts have consistently
reaffirmed that one of our most cherished liberties is the freedom to take
a simple nighttime stroll through the city without having to produce
papers or otherwise answer to the police."
The introductory paragraph of the Salida ordinance states that it was
enacted in response to problems caused by late-night gatherings that led
to fights, disturbances of the peace, and public drug and alcohol abuse.
"The City of Salida has every right to enact ordinances that target such
problems," Silverstein said. "But the City cannot do so by trampling
unnecessarily on the civil liberties of innocent people who are peacefully
enjoying a summer evening."
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[CTRL] Bilderberger list. Nazi hoax.
-Caveat Lector- Bilderberg - anti-Semitic hoax conspiracy? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Jenkins) Organization: FLORA Community WEB Date: 3 Jun 1999 22:33:33 -0400 Reposted from uk-anti-maif (Owen Barton, 4 Jun 1999) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: warning: Bilderberg material is fascist hoax! Dear friends, I am writing to you urgently to warn you about material being circulated on this list (however innocently) about a 'Bilderberg Conference' . The material appears to be an attack on global power elite, but is in fact material whose source is nazis and far right politicians with very close links to big business. The purpose of the material appears to be to make people imagine there is a sinister Jewish conspiracy that is trying to dominate the world, a false idea but a dangerous one which contributed very much to Adolf Hitler's genocide of the Jewish people. I am NOT implying in any way that the people on J18 list who sent the material to the list are antisemitic or fascist themselves. It is more than possible that they have become victims of this nazi hoax. I am only warning them and the list in general about the original source of much of this material: A member of this list, Javier, (email [EMAIL PROTECTED]) posted on 26 May 1999 a message (title - Fw: .nettime Bilderberger (fwd)) warning us about an apparent meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, due to take place on June in Portugal, called the Bilderberg Conference. His post consisted of a long forwarded document and his comment that perhaps we have chosen the wrong occasion to protest, and that we should in fact be protesting this Conference, rather than the G8 summit. Early in the forwarded document the Washington-based journal Spotlight is quoted as a source of information on the Bilderberg Conference. Spotlight is published by the fascist Liberty Lobby, who for years had as key figure Willis Carto. You may find much information on them by contacting any major anti-fascist organisation. Later the forwarded document presents a 'BILDERBERG '99: Partial Guest List' While the list includes many individuals who are certainly part of the world's top power elite such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Tony Blair, etc, it also includes a fantastic proportion of Israelis and Jews. It is clear that the 'Guest List' cannot be an official document from the organisers of such a Conference - (there are many spelling and other errors, billiionaire Warren Buffet has his personal name and his company name listed the wrong way round, one company entry has the comment 'of blessed memory' written next to it and King Hussein of Jordan appears as an invited guest with the comment in brackets that he is dead(!) However, even if we were to believe that this is an accurate 'partial guest list' of a conference for world domination drawn up by a good anti-capitalist, who happened to have inside information, then we need to ask several questions. Is it likely that enormously powerful members of the ruling elite like Warren Buffet and Bill Clinton would sit round a table with popular left- of -centre Israeli authors like AB Yehoshua and Amos Oz to discuss how to rule the world? Why is there a long list of academics from Israeli universities on this list, and virtually no academics from any other countries? Why are so many of the 'guests' representatives from top multinationals who are Jewish or who have Jewish-sounding names, rather than the non-Jewish heads of these businesses? snip section on Tony Goslings site - I do not think this section was well founded, although perhaps Tony would be wise to make the existance of far right propaganda on this issue more clear, so people can begin to filter out this misinformation I beg all J18 activists to be extremely wary of any information now being put over the Internet re this 'Bilderberg Conference' . Demand to know the original sources of all the information. It would be nice if the two subscribers who offered this material to the list could do a very thorough research of all the documents or websites they have referred us to and then tell us what they discover. I will post more information on this as soon as I have time. Against fascism and against capitalism, Lisa Taylor International Solidarity with Workers in Russia - ISWoR (personal capacity) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you
[CTRL] Fwd: Search Results
Subject matter which should be able to be pulled up is a listing of material on the bible; in particular the Guttenberg Bible. A friend of mine has an original Guttenberg Bible in German, howeverand I guess it is worth plenty, but he doesn't care about that. Sothe information re Guttenberg in particular gives data... Also my interest in Daniel is, when did they change the name High Priest, to President..which was most unusual; also in the Revelations, anyone who changes or butchers the bible, is in for it; for it looks like even Jerry Falwell, will have much for which to atone, since he now has his own transalation, copyrighted, of the bible. The bible I have, an ancestor who was a Greek Latin Scholar, etc., was in on the revision when the Delegates to the Clarendon Press met in the late 1870 period up to 1899this bible is the SS Teachers Edition, hand sewn silk, which was given to each of the Delegates who helped to revise or whatever, this particular Bibleand the dediction to the King of course, is remarkable. If one really considers what the bible is, it is the basis for the lawthe only book the Pilgrims had when hitting the Plymouth Rock, was the bible.the bible is a book of knowledge; it holds secrets yet to be deciphered and sometimes I think, the secret to the atom bomb is contained therein...coded, of course - but when, well who knows. Some believe the Pharoahs of old, and the individuals in the bible whose faces shined, used some type of a radiant paint or somethingwhich eventually killed them. There are records in modern days, as of late, where some individuals have been buried in cement who were exposed to high levels of radiation. I still wonder why my ancestors, the Calverts of Maryland, were buried in lead coffinswhich seemed strangeand then, these dreadful DNA experts in Maryland snooping in graves. DNA is like the Gallup Poll; chances are, they could be wrong.because nobody yet has a sample of every person sitting on the planet earthonly God, who even knows the number of hairs upon our headsand that, is all. Next they will be going into the Garden of Eden, looking for God's DNA.then we will know if Adam and Eve were monkies,, or just one and only one, was God's child. Colleen http://www.infoseek.com/Titles?webtv=truecol=WWsv=W1qt=Guttenberg+Bible
[CTRL] Fwd: Office of the Press Secretary
Here is the Executive Order re Heritage Rivers, which is in no way under the control of the UN. Further, get your questions, etc., sent to the President's Office - I asked just what an EO is, how long it remains in effect...for instance, JFK wanted to start printing our own money and of course, this EO though signed, was never put into effect.and this could well have been the primary reason he was killed, also Viet Nam the munitions barons would have lost a lot too. We lost fifty thousand or so soldiers in Viet Nam. Kennedy was just another casualty, when you consider thatbut the fact remains, it was a war he wanted to stop. Do not blame Dallas or Texas.it was easy to send the President down there, knowing fingers would point every which way when he was gunned down; but the Juke Boxes still played the Streets of Larado (an old Irish Song called the Bard of Armagh).when they gunned down our president, after giving him a white cowboy hat to wear. What I like about the site which I have forwarded, you can say anything you want to say. I used my right name of course, but if I am still of a list, well - life has been dull lately. Colleen http://www.whitehouse.gov/CEQ/19970911-12362.html
Re: [CTRL] your chance to vote: Ventura, Bush, or algore
-Caveat Lector- I VOTED THREE TIMES FOR VENTURA.HAVE ALWAYS HAD A MAD PASSION FOR WRESTLERS Colleen And I also had a mad passion for pilots and the Red Baron. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:07:06 EDT Subject:Implants To: undisclosed-recipients:; FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE IMPLANTS? DATE: AUGUST 3, 1994 TO: ALL VICTIMS AND INJURED PERSONS THAT HAVE HAD OR HAVE IMPLANTS IN THEIR BODY. FROM: JOHN GREGORY LAMBROS V.V.A. CHAPTER # 75 U.S.P. LEAVENWORTH DIVISION P.O. BOX 1000 LEAVENWORTH, KANSAS 66048-1000 LOOKING FOR current and past intelligence, special purpose/project team members or victims of operation BUG, project THIRD CHANCE, DERBY HAT, UKULTRA, CIA, DIA, NASA, ARMY, AIRFORCE, NAVY, MARINES, that have or had implants placed in them or have information on the use of bio-medical implants. Many of you had implants inserted into your brain, nose, ear, or almost any part of the body usually with a long thin needle or probe. In some cases the implantation process may cause nose bleeds and other types of unexplained bleeding from various bodily orifices. As you know, you were led to believe that the implants were to be used only for tracking and communication when in fact they were used in performing the following functions and more: (1) forced interrogation; (2) recording and relaying every thought, emotion, and physical reaction of a person continuously 24 hours a day; (3) a continuous telepathic link 24 hours a day- -"tracking and communication"; (4) the implant may act as a surveillance device and relay every aspect of the individuals exterior environment; (5) the implants facilitate "non-physical" brainwashing processes by separating the "astral body" from the physical body with audio and visual imagery thus experiencing things as if he or she were actually and physically there--these experiences may later be mistaken for actual physical experiences on the part of the individual causing confusion and disbelief with those experiences shared with interested investigators, and the public. Has the government used this process on you to cover up the truth? (6) implants may affect a person in subtle "esoteric" and spiritual ways that can only be described in "new age" or "occult terms"; (7) implants may trigger unexplained "healing" or spontaneous "cures" or improvements in adverse physical and mental conditions; (8) implants may be used for genetic purposes but this may be only one of their lesser- important functions; (9) implants may be used to speed up the bodies functions in the aging process so as to destroy a person without their knowledge; (10) implant electromagnetic radiation affects human motor functions and thus affects a person's ability to function normally. Midwest Research Institute in Kansas City is the only laboratory in the U.S. capable of testing how electromagnetic radiation affects humans. I was arrested in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in May 1991 by Brazilian U.S. Officials after being tracked for months and taken to the torture- interrogation center in Brasilia, Brazil. CenCom contract agents and Brazilian Officials tortured me for 10 months with electric shock, beating, sleep deprivation, and the 24 hour a day link to human and computer interrogation via telemetry due to the implants that still exist in me. The duplex link allowed human slavery to exist as they were able to control all mental and physical functions of me. The U.S. and Brazilian Government and other mind terrorists must be stopped. Electronic lobotomies are the government's most powerful weapon of terror, as those who are buried - whether literally in the ground or figuratively in prison - can eventually be forgotten. Prisoners as a group are being genocized by the Brazilian Government. As a victim of psychosurgery and living daily with a mutilated mind I would appreciate a response from anyone that has information on implants so as to support my current litigation. My attorney is also looking for consultants with expertise in the area. My hope being to initiate project "IMPLANT - CLASS ACTION" suit so we may stop psychosurgery as a weapon of terrorism by both governments and revolutionaries. Please write John G. Lambros, U.S.P. Leavenworth, B.O.P. No. 00436-124, P.O. Box 1000, Leavenworth, Kansas 66048-1000. The address for the Boycott Brazil homepage is: http://members.aol.com/BrazilByct For more information write to :[EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum
Re: [CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/6/99 1:40:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE IMPLANTS? Try Pamela Anderson, it's well known that she does Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
