Re: [CTRL] MRC: Chappaquiddick a Kennedy Tragedy; Rather Fooled ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-19 23:06:02 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) Even after a "Coast Guard Lieutenant" referred to Bababooey and Howard Stern, Dan Rather believed his report: "This just in, the Coast Guard Lieutenant says they have found debris." ABC also gullibly put on a Stern fan, but Peter Jennings realized it. Anyone else happen to catch Soledad O'Brien apparently interviewing a "witness" on MS-NBC when he blurted out --live on the air-- "Howard Stern says you're a whore"? Why this guerrilla campaign of juvenile crudeness? JFK Jr dies, Howie Stern farts? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vatican Accuses Israel of Anti-Catholicism
-Caveat Lector- By SARI BASHI .c The Associated Press TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) - Miffed at Israel's cool response to the Vatican's efforts to rid the church of anti-Semitism, a papal representative said Monday that Israel was to blame for tensions between Jews and the Catholic Church. The Rev. David Yager shocked a conference on anti-Semitism by saying that Israel's anti-Catholic attitude - not the Catholic Church's anti-Israel attitude - was preventing relations from warming as Israel prepares to greet millions of Catholic pilgrims in the millennium. ``The Catholic Church and the Jewish people are now allies, friends and lovers,'' said the brown-robed priest, who represents the Holy See on a bilateral committee to improved relations with Israel. However, Israel has angered the Vatican by refusing to acknowledge Catholic overtures of friendship, including recent official declarations against anti-Semitism, Yager said. He said Israel aimed to keep the Vatican on the defensive, pointing to Israeli reminders of Pope Pius XII's alleged failure to speak out against Nazi atrocities during World War II, which he called a ``blood libel.'' Israel has sharply criticized a proposal in the Vatican to beatify Pius, the last step before making him a saint, saying his public silence on the genocide of 6 million Jews facilitated collaboration with the Nazis. The Vatican says Pius acted for Jews behind the scenes, and that public activism would have endangered Catholic lives. Jewish participants said Yager was glossing over 2,000 years of Catholic anti-Semitism. ``Our questions, our desires to search the truth are not blood libelous,'' said an angry Abraham Foxman, director of the Anti-Defamation League. Foxman praised efforts by the current pope, John Paul II, to remove anti-Semitism from Catholic liturgy but said the message was not filtering down to churches at the grassroots level. ``We both have responsibilities that we haven't fulfilled,'' he said, suggesting that levels of anti-Semitism were still higher-than-average among Catholics. The Vatican and Israel established full diplomatic relations in 1993, reaching a peak in efforts to reconcile the Jewish people and the Roman Catholic church. But relations remain strained. Rabbi David Rosen, an ADL representative to the Israel-Holy See committee, said that after 2,000 years of church-sanctioned anti-Semitism, it would take time for Jews to regain trust in the Vatican. ``The major educational onus is on the Catholic side,'' he said, noting, for example, that many priests still believe that suffering was brought upon the Jewish people because they rejected Jesus - although that doctrine was officially renounced in the 1960s, with the Vatican II council. Yager said that Jewish mistrust of Catholics was unjustified and that Israel was creating antagonism. He claimed, for example, that the commonly used Hebrew word for Jesus, Yeshu, is actually an acronym for ``May his name and memory be erased.'' Jewish researchers suggest that Yeshu is merely the Hebrew corruption of the Greek version of ``Joshua,'' believed to be Jesus' birth name; or that it is the shortened version of the Hebrew word ``Yeshua,'' which means savior. The mutual recriminations are hampering preparations for the millions of Catholics expected to visit Israel next year, particularly if the Pope fulfills his announced desire to visit the Holy Land in March of 2000. Arrangements for meetings between Catholic pilgrims and Israelis have not materialized, and the lack of coordination between Christian tour groups and the Jewish state have left many predicting a logistical nightmare. Rosen said the tourists represented an opportunity for education on both sides - and that he and Yager would try to put history aside to take advantage of it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: [OPF] query
-Caveat Lector- Sounds fishy since the NWO people don't refer to it as the NWO. Did you friend mean Freih (sp) instead alluded to the NWO? Or alluded to the governmental structure, something like that? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FBI document release (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone have the URL for the FOIA website? Thanks. Tenorlove _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] All That Glisters
-Caveat Lector- All That Glisters BUSINESS AGE - London, England July 1999 By Daivd Guyett The recent dramatic fall in the gold price could have been triggered by the Bank of England irresponsibly signaling a massive unloading of bullion onto the market, amid suspicions that a global cartel has been attempting to manipulate values, writes David Guyett. When the Treasury announced in early May that it was going to auction over half the nations 715 tonne gold reserves, it caused eyebrows to be raised in many parts of the world. It also triggered a steep decline in the market price of gold from just below $290 an ounce to $281.50. In the blink of an eye over $90 million was wiped off the value of the gold the Treasury has earmarked for sale. Ordinarily, central bank gold sales are conducted in the utmost secrecy and are then routinely announced after the event. This ensures a stable market price for the bank to sell into. Effectively talking down the gold price by announcing "future" sales is considered curious, especially for a nation possessing a long history of managing its gold reserves with skill and subtlety. More recently, Gordon Brown's public comments in favour of the proposed sale of 10 million ounces of IMF gold have merely added to the confusion. Unsurprisingly, the prospect of an additional large official disinvestment saw an even more dramatic plunge in the market price to under $260. The Chancellor's 1comments, said to be aimed at raising funds to alleviate the horrendous debt burden of impoverished third world nations, wiped a further $300 million off the value of British gold reserves. While many market analysts ponder just what the Chancellor hopes to achieve by apparently cutting off his nose to spite his face, an independent American gold pressure group believe they know the answer. Formed earlier this year, the Gold-Anti Trust Action Committee, known simply as GATA, claim the gold market is in the grip of a powerful cartel of leading Wall Street and European banks. These are said to have colluded to manipulate the price of gold to their commercial advantage. According to Bill Murphy, a commentator on the gold market and GATA Chairman, up to twenty leading banks may be party to a cartel arrangement. Murphy says that many of these banks have leased gold from central and other gold banks at "strike" prices as low as $290. The lending banks, according to the insiders, charge little more than 1% per annum as a leasing fee. This amounts to "a virtual interest free loan," Murphy says. By selling the leased gold, the banks receive a hefty cash "pool." That is then invested in US Treasury securities or placed in other overseas markets. With Treasury yields climbing above 6%, the net 5% "windfall" returns earned by the borrowing banks generate huge profits. Later covering their short positions at lower strike prices will generate additional income. GATA believes that short sales of this type collectively total as much as 8,000-10,000 tonnes. Others believe it could be higher and amounts of 14,000 tonnes are mentioned. Meanwhile, one Wall Street bank is rumoured to be "short" of 1,000 metric tonnes, worth about $9 billion. This is believed to be Goldman Sachs, America's largest investment bank. Goldman's refused to comment but insiders at the bank deny the position is as large as claimed. The risk of this short sale strategy is if the gold price shoots up beyond the $290 level. With annual gold mining production of 2500 tonnes per year, it could prove impossible for those "short" banks to buy sufficient quantities of metal to repay back their loans. Locked into a trap of their own-making, this could stampede the banks and cause the gold price to skyrocket, turning easy profit into crippling losses. Were just one of these banks to fail under the burden of such losses it could trigger a systemic collapse of the international economy. This, Murphy believes, is the underlying reason why the Treasury too the unusual step of announcing a gold auction in advance, and why Gordon Brown is so strongly committed to an IMF sale. At the time the Treasury issued its announcement, the gold price was preparing to penetrate the $290 level. Forcing down the price enables the banks involved to extricate themselves from their now suspect trading positions. Murphy admits he cannot prove his case. However, he says the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming in support of his view. Not least he points to testimony given by Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan, who told the House Banking Committee last summer that "central banks stand ready to lease gold in increasing quantities should the price rise". What else could the Fed be up to?" Murphy asks, other than the wholesale manipulation of the gold price. Whether Murphy's group is ever able to prove that the market is a rigged roulette wheel remains to be seen. Meanwhile GATA's efforts constitute the only truly independent attempt this century to
[CTRL] Fwd: The Arms Dealer and The Red Air Force
Chinese military sources revealed they are now fielding large numbers of neutron bombs. Moreover, Chinese officials implied they would use nuclear weapons, if need be, to take the island nation of Taiwan. No super-power has openly threatened first use of nuclear weapons since President John Kennedy faced the Soviet Union over Cuba in 1962. In response, the Clinton administration opened the way to transfer advanced electronics from the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Falcon to the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). The Clinton offer to upgrade Chinese air force fighters includes avionics, computers, heads-up displays, secure communications, electronic counter-measures, night vision equipment and integrated fire control systems. A Capitol hill defense analyst, who is also a current F-18 Hornet pilot, noted that the Chinese Army Air Force Sukhoi SU-27 FLANKER would be the most likely candidate to receive advanced avionics from the Eagle and Falcon. China currently flies 50 Flankers purchased from Russia and has a license from Sukhoi to build 400 more over the next two years at the Nanchang fighter assembly plant. "What they are creating is a Red-strike Eagle" stated the Hornet pilot. "The Chinese Flankers are currently equipped with 'STEAM GAUGES' in comparison to the state-of-the-art glass cockpit technology up for sale." The planned transfer would improve the PLAAF Flankers that are already equipped with the deadly AA-11 ARCHER missile system. The Russian built AA-11 missile is capable of out performing the current U.S. Sidewinder missile in air combat. The Archer is reported to be targeted by a helmet sight, allowing Chinese pilots to shoot at U.S. planes simply by looking at them. It is known that China has attempted to upgrade the AA-11 missile using stolen U.S. technology. The AA-11 ARCHER played a significant role in the Cox Report. According to the Cox Report, in 1996, Hong Kong Customs officials removed a fully operational AA-11 from the cargo hold of a Chinese owned airliner stuffed with paying passengers. What the Cox Report did not relay to the American public was that the missile was in a box mis-labeled as "Machine Parts". What the Cox Report withheld was that the airliner was owned jointly by the Chinese government and Clinton buddy-billionaire, Moctar Riady. What the Cox Report did not release was the Chinese missile was bound for Israel and was to be upgraded with stolen U.S. Sidewinder technology. This is not the first time that U.S. defense sources have accused Israeli aerospace companies of passing U.S. technology to China. As early as 1989, President Bush's Secretary of Defense, William Cheney, accused Israel of passing stolen Patriot technology to China. China has since upgraded their HY-100 surface to air missile with the Patriot electronics obtained from Israel and espionage against America. Military analysts are concerned that an upgraded Chinese Flanker would fit nicely in with the PLAAF air defense system supplied by U.S. aerospace companies. The PLAAF air defense system currently has a difficult time communicating with the Russian built aircraft. The addition of U.S. built avionics and communications would plug the advanced SU-27s directly into the network of American super computers, radars and fiber-optic communications. The trouble of integrating U.S. and Russian equipment has previously frustrated the Chinese military with predictable results. For example, the current Chinese Navy C4 (communications, computers, command and control) system is based on stolen U.S. and French technology. The Chinese Navy, ever anxious to snatch a bargain, also recently purchased two Russian made destroyers, armed with advanced "Sunburn" super-sonic cruise missile. The Russian vessels, however, are equipped with the "First Captain" fire control system which cannot communicate with the PLN western built C4 system. The Russian built ships have been forced to operate virtually alone - lest they target their advanced missiles on fellow PLN vessels by mistake. The proposed transfer of U.S. military avionics to China is also reported to be supported by Lockheed and Boeing. Lockheed, builder of the F-16 Falcon, is gearing up to manufacture the F-22 RAPTOR to replace the USAF F-15 Eagle. The U.S. Air Force is scheduled to purchase about 400 F-22 fighters. Each Raptor is reported to cost over $100 million. Boeing, the maker of the F-15 Eagle, is hoping to win the new Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) contract which could lead to a significant purchase of over 1,000 fighter planes. One source inside Capitol hill said that the two U.S. aerospace companies, faced with low profits from Eagle and Falcon sales, fear cuts in the F-22 and JSF projects. They are "growing their own threat to justify removing price and quantity caps on the F-22 and JSF." Furthermore, Boeing and Lockheed are now reported to be considering the selection of the SU-27 Flanker ejection seat for both the F-22
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Liberal Radio Station Being Silenced by Clinton Appointee
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist Liberal Radio Station Being Silenced by Clinton Appointee Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 07:01:17 PM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is now time for all Democrats to wake up and realize that your Democratic President does not support democratic values... such as a free press and free right to assemble. I am a former Haight Ashbury hippie who saw more bloodshed on San Francisco streets from billy clubs breaking noses and faces than I have seen in the rest of my life. The blood letting in San Francisco was under President Nixon and Mayor Alioto's reigns. As a result of this, I became a Democrat. But the Democratic Party is no longer what my innocent hippie brain believed it to be. Bill and Hillary Clinton woke me up in the first year of their "co-presidency" If the assualt on KPFA in Berkely does not wake up the rest of the liberal hippies of the sixties and their proteges, I don't think anything will. Berkeley was the beginning of the revolution of the 60's. Are the people behind the scenes who control our media, and shape our beliefs and actions preparing us for another 60's type revolution? RMNews alerted its readers in past articles that the New World Order has mind controlled anarchists in all major cities. These anarchists are just waiting for the trigger signal which will put them in action. Then we will have chaos and destruction like we have never seen before in this country... not even during the Viet Nam war. What will the anarchists be protesting and who will they be working for? Will it at first appear as if they are protesting the takeover silencing of KPFA a radio station that was one of the only liberal stations to talk about the Clinton connection to drugs? Will the anarchists force the government to crack down on the protestors? Will the KPFA protest that has begun as a sincere protest be turned into something else? This is the way the government operates. Remember the CIA version of the Hegelian Dialectic: CRISIS CREATION CRISIS SOLUTION CRISIS CONTROL When Clinton sent his man into KPFA to redo the programming he started Phase One: "CRISIS CREATION" The protestors who are protesting the takeover of KPFA are innocent lambs being used to create the "CRISIS". Once the "innocents" are joined by the programmed anarchists and other undercover goverment operatives this incident will become a full scale crisis which will "BEG" for government intervention in the form of a "CRISIS SOLUTION." Once the government institutes it's form of "CRISIS SOLUTION", it will be a short step to "CRISIS CONTROL", and this could be the end of freedom and democracy as we know it. Last night I received an article title "Freedom" from a local chiropractor. I saved it because I wanted to send it out as a Rumor Mill News article. When I went into my computer files to find it, it wasn't there. I pulled up the "search engine" for my computer and I instantly received a very chilling but hopefully not prophetice message FROM MY COMPUTER!!! The computer generated message said: "FREEDOM DOES NOT EXIST!" Maybe these machines we are all using to save our freedom and liberty know more than we do. As you read the following article just remember that this action in Berkeley was created by President Clinton. This is the first step in the goverment's version of Hegel's Dialectic Triad for changing society. President Clinton created the CRISIS. Where it will lead will be a measure of how fast the liberal Democrats will wake up to the fact that their liberal president has betrayed them and is leading them like sheep to the slaughter. One of my sources has recently told me that Vice President's Gore's loyal people have realized that Clinton is sacrificing Gore on the orders of the New World Order. Clinton will destroy the Democratic Party. My sources tell me that both the Gore and Bradly people have realized this. The only way to short circut the CIA triad of: CRISIS CREATION, CRISIS SOLUTION AND CRISIS CONTROL and to save the Democratic Party is for Clinton to be forced to step down. But since this is not even a remote possibility, it looks as if the Democratic Party will be destroyed by William Clinton so that the New World Order can put their new man in power... George W. Bush. Maybe this "crisis" in Berkeley is the beginning of a "90's revolution". If it is, then we will have a replay of the Nixon-Viet Nam years with a Republican in power. Please remind all Liberal Democrats who support gun control and gun confiscation that if
[CTRL] CRISIS COUNTRIES: IGNORE MARKETS AT YOUR PERIL
-Caveat Lector- CRISIS COUNTRIES: IGNORE MARKETS AT YOUR PERIL Explanations for the economic disasters in East Asia, Russia and Brazil over the past two years fall into two basic categories, say economists. One theory is that markets there were not sufficiently regulated and that a new "financial architecture" based on more regulations and international safety nets must be erected. Other theorists -- including Milton Friedman, Walter Wriston and George Schultz -- argue that the crises were due to departures from the operation of free markets. o The free marketers say the Asian financial crisis was aggravated by the intervention of institutions such as the International Monetary Fund which, in advancing credit, signaled the countries' vulnerability and produced a run on its currency. o In Russia's case, insider dealing and outright fraud prompted IMF intervention leading to massive flights of capital -- which drove down the ruble by more than 60 percent and sharply depressed stock values. o And in Brazil, large budget deficits coincided with pegging the nation's currency to an unrealistic rate -- resulting in investors shorting the currency and extracting their capital. As the crisis countries attempt to work their way out of the mire, those that are succeeding are doing so along the lines prescribed by the free-market advocates. o Foreign direct investment has resumed in reform-minded Thailand and South Korea. o By restraining its deficit spending, Brazil has seen its foreign-exchange reserves, equity markets and currency value rise. o Meanwhile, Russia, Indonesia and Malaysia -- which have shunned market-oriented policies -- continue to suffer share declines in gross domestic product, weakened currencies and depressed asset values. Despite this evidence, the IMF wants to establish a new Contingent Credit Line facility back by a $90 billion replenishment of its resources. Financial experts see this as preparation for a repeat of its former failed interventionist policies. Source: Charles Wolf Jr. (RAND Corporation), "Markets, Not Architects, Will Solve Economic Crises," Wall Street Journal, July 20, 1999. For more on Currency Issues http://www.ncpa.org/pi/internat/intdex2.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 7/20/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Today's Lesson From Intellectuals by Paul Johnson After [George] Orwell [author of 1984] left Eton he joined the Indian police, serving five years, 1922-27. As such, he saw the seamier side of imperialism, the hangings and floggings, and found he could not stomach it. In fact his two brilliant essays, 'A Hanging' and 'Shooting an Elephant', perhaps did more to undermine the empire spirit in Britain than any other writings. He returned to England on home leave, resigned from the service, and determined to be a writer. He chose the name 'George Orwell' after considering various alternatives, including P.S. Burton, Kenneth Miles and H. Lewis Allways. Orwell was an intellectual in the sense that he believed, at any rate when young, that the world could be reshaped by the power of intellect. He thus thought in terms of ideas and concepts. But his nature, and perhaps his police training, gave him a passionate interest in people. His policemen's instinct certainly told him that things were not what they seemed, and that only investigation and close scrutiny would yield the truth. = The Middle East Syria Said to Issue Peace Call to Radicals Peace, not disarmament JERUSALEM - Syria has asked several Palestinian radical groups based in Damascus to halt their armed struggle against Israel because it intends to make peace with the Israelis, members of the groups said Monday. They said the Syrian vice president, Abdel Halim Khaddam, had made the call at meetings with members of four Palestinian groups opposed to Yasser Arafat's peace deals with Israel. ''He told them they now had to drop armed struggle and form political parties and work on social issues,'' said an official, who declined to be identified. The official said Syria also intended the call to go out to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Speaking at a news conference in Washington, the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak, said Monday that ''if that is true, it is good news for all of us.'' President Bill Clinton, speaking at the same news conference, said the United States was seeking ''more normal'' ties with Syria and believed Damascus could again play a key role in the Middle East peace process. The new Israeli prime minister was in Washington making plans to meet with President Clinton every four months in a drive for Middle East peace accords by the time Mr. Clinton leaves office 18 months from now. Mr. Barak pledged to ''move forward decisively'' in a drive for Mideast peace accords. ''We do not intend to drag our feet for another three years,'' he said. If confirmed, the Syrian move would be the most serious indication so far of the determination of President Hafez Assad to reach a peace settlement with his historic enemy after almost a decade of on-again off-again negotiations. In Damascus, however, a spokesman for a Palestinian alliance in Damascus of opposition groups denied the report, and Hezbollah dismissed it as ''talk that does not merit a response.'' ''This report is totally incorrect,'' said Fadhl Sharouro, a member of the central leadership of the Palestinian alliance based in Damascus. ''Syria did not ask us to drop our weapons.'' The State Department immediately welcomed the reported Syrian moves. The department spokesman, James Rubin, said that he did not have any information on contacts between Syrian and Palestinian groups. ''If this is true, it would be welcome to have those types of organizations that have been the enemies of peace become supporters of peace,'' Mr. Rubin said. The Damascus-based radical groups oppose peace deals with Israel signed by Mr. Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization since 1993. Syria, traditionally an arch-foe of Israel, has embraced the groups. The official said that Mr. Khaddam held a meeting with members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, the Sa'qa group and the Fatah Uprising, led by Colonel Abu Musa. He held separate talks with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other leading ''rejectionist'' groups, including Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, were not involved in the meetings. The meeting with Palestinian groups took place in Damascus in early July, the official said. ''He was frank with the groups,'' the official said. ''He told them armed struggle from Syria and Lebanon is over, and they have to get used to confining their role to a political one.'' Another official said the Syrian vice president told the Palestinian groups that Damascus ''was keen on renewing talks with Israel'' since Mr. Barak ousted Benjamin Netanyahu, a rightist, in an election in May. ''Khaddam told the groups that Syria will not waste the chance of making peace with Israel,'' he said. Damascus has sent positive signals to Mr. Barak since his election victory,
[CTRL] GOP: Save the Net Smut Law
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20813.html A HREF="http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/20813.html"Political News from Wired News /A - GOP: Save the Net Smut Law by Declan McCullagh 12:15 p.m. 19.Jul.99.PDT WASHINGTON -- Claiming online pornography is a "serious problem," five prominent members of Congress have asked a federal appeals court to uphold a law that makes it a crime to post sexually explicit images online. The 28-page amicus brief, submitted Monday, says Congress intended the Child Online Protection Act -- the successor to the Communications Decency Act -- to address "the dire situation" of tens of thousands of pornographic Web sites that both adults and children can easily visit. A federal district court in February, however, ruled that COPA violated the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech and blocked Justice Department prosecutors from enforcing it. The Justice Department appealed to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia. "Tens of thousands of sites sell pornography. Most openly allow children, as well as adults, to view hard-core and soft-core porn pictures by simply clicking on any link to a pornography company's Web page, even when searching for innocent material such as 'teen,' 'boy,' 'girl,' 'toy,' 'pet,' etc," says the brief, prepared by the National Law Center for Children and Families in Fairfax, Virginia. "It sounds like all of the same old arguments that all of the Supreme Court justices have rejected so far," said Ann Beeson, a staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the suit last fall. The law makes it a crime punishable by six months in jail and fines that can top US$50,000 to publish "any communication for commercial purposes that includes any material that is harmful to minors, without restricting access to such material by minors" on a commercial Web site. The members of Congress, all Republicans, who signed onto the brief, are Senator John McCain of Arizona, Senator Dan Coats (retired) and Congressmen Tom Bliley of Virginia, Michael Oxley of Ohio, and James Greenwood of Pennsylvania. Bliley is the chairman of the House Commerce committee, and McCain is the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee as well as a presidential contender. The brief also argues that COPA is a narrowly crafted law that will affect just pornographers, that the appeals court should go out of its way to find a way to ensure it is constitutional, and that it is the least restrictive way to accomplish Congress' stated objective of protecting children online. Federal law already restricts the distribution of obscene materials online, which the Supreme Court has defined as publications that appeal to a reader's prurient interests, violate local community standards, and have scant redeeming value. But the Congressmen say a broader law is necessary, and cite a 1984 case involving a magazine with text-only articles, according to the brief, including "Why My Mom Loves Oral Sex!" and "My Anal Aunt!" In that Georgia case, a court found that the magazine would violate "harmful to minors" laws. Opponents of COPA testified that they feared prosecutors would go even further, attacking commercial Web sites distributing videogames in which the hero cracks jokes about penis size or a Kama Sutra screensaver featuring 40 different sexual positions. With the exception of McCain, the other legislators had signed onto a similar amicus brief to the district court judge presiding over the case. But it didn't persuade Judge Lowell A. Reed Jr., who ruled COPA was a well-intentioned attempt to protect children that went too far. So far, COPA's fate precisely mirrors that of its predecessor, the reviled Communications Decency Act, which the Supreme Court in 1997 ruled as largely unconstitutional. Anti-porn advocates on Capitol Hill steered both laws through Congress by attaching them to mammoth spending or telecommunications bills with plenty of legislative momentum. A Philadelphia judge handed down a temporary restraining order in both cases, and the ACLU won a preliminary injunction both times. "We hope that people on the court of appeals are going to be more interested in applying the law and therefore the brief should have a better audience," said Bruce Taylor, director of the National Law Center for Children and Families and the author of the brief. "I think the district court was a little overwhelmed by the testimony. Hopefully the appeals court won't accept the fears of the plaintiffs as evidence." The Justice Department will submit its next brief to the court next Monday, and the ACLU will file its own brief in late August. Oral arguments are expected before a three-judge panel this fall. Related Wired Links: COPA: An 'Electronic Brown Bag' 27.Jan.99 Battening COPA's Hatches 22.Jan.99 Purity Protectors Counterattack 22.Jan.99 CDAII: Tempest in a D-Cup 21.Jan.99 COPA Judge No Newbie 21.Jan.99 CDA II Bound
[CTRL] Follow-up Report on Hidden Perils in Pentium III and Win98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://jya.com/cn-p3-peril.htm A HREF="http://jya.com/cn-p3-peril.htm"China Sees NatSec Threat in Intel PIII Serial N /A - 2 July 1999. Thanks to John Gilmore. From: Guangming Daily newspaper, Wednesday, June 30, 1999 Translation by (and thanks to): Anonymous Ministry of Information Industry (MII) Advises Government Agencies on Prudent Use of PIII Follow-up Report on Hidden Perils in Pentium III and Win98 by Our Staff Reporter Yang Gu Our report on the hidden security perils in Pentium III of Intel and Win98 of Microsoft has evoked strong reaction from all sides. The leaders of the information centers of a number of Ministries and Commissions have written to MII, in the hope of getting its advice and guidance. Heads of competent departments of MII have convened emergency meetings of domestic PC manufacturers and information centers of some Ministries and Commissions, at which they listened to opinions aired by all sides and discussed relevant policies and measures. Upon widely soliciting views and getting extensive information, MII will prepare a report on enhancing security management for electronic information products. Administration: PIII sold to government agencies cannot be connected directly to Internet In an interview with our staff reporter, the head of the competent departments of MII said that as the administration, we strongly believe that national interests are of overarching importance. We must first of all be responsible for the security of the information systems of government agencies at all levels, and place high emphasis on the security dimensions of all kinds of electronic information products (including hardware and software) and the system itself. We have conducted serious research and thus acquired a thorough knowledge of hidden security perils in PIII chips, Win98 as well as servers produced by different companies. We have also learnt about the response of the media and American end users toward Processor Serial Number (PSN) of PIII, including the fact that the U.S. Government is yet to use PIII on a massive scale. We are of the view that domestic PC manufacturers must turn off PSN, that such products sold in China must pass the necessary testing and that PIII machines sold to government agencies should not be directly connected to Internet. Government agencies at all levels, including those in such critical sectors as telecommunications, banking, finance and taxation, and the military must first and foremost turn off PSN when they buy PIII machines. Even then, computers of this nature should only be used either in a stand-alone way or on Intranet, and must never be used for direct Internet connection with the OA network of government agencies. We have briefed altogether 13 domestic PC manufacturers on the latest developments and made clear our views. The domestic PC manufacturers indicated that since the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia by the U.S.-headed NATO, they have come to know more clearly the hegemonic ambitions of the United States. They now feel that safeguarding state sovereignty and security is the number one priority. The commercial interests of enterprises are insignificant as compared with national interests. They were unanimous in fully supporting the decisions made by the administration. These domestic PC manufacturers also indicated that the most reliable way to safeguard information security is to use our own products. If we have to use imported products, a high degree of prudence and vigilance should be exercised, rigorous testing conducted, and all the necessary safeguard measures introduced. These enterprises also provided some information on hidden security perils in some imported IT products. Intel Is Yet to Fully Answer Our Inquiry On 27 May, Intel responded to inquiry about PIII PSN at the request of MII. The importance of the Chinese market to Intel cannot be over-exaggerated. Suppose the annual sales in China is 3 million processors, Intel would reap an annual turnover of about 3 billion RMB yuan. If PIII comes across difficulty in China, the company's sales of 3 billion RMB yuan will be affected. Previously, in order to respond to our staff reporters' questions, Intel has used the service of such heavyweight figures as the President of Intel China and global marketing manager for PIII. This time around, in order to better explain to MII, Intel sent in a more powerful team, including a Vice President from the headquarters who is also President of Intel Greater China and two Directors responsible for security matters. The leaders of the competent departments of MII expressed the view that as the IT administration of the Chinese Government, MII must see to it that the IT products manufactured and sold within the territory of China not threaten national security. At the same time, it must protect the legitimate rights and
[CTRL] Defcon Live!
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.forbes.com/tool/html/99/jul/0716/feat2.htm A HREF="http://www.forbes.com/tool/html/99/jul/0716/feat2.htm"E-Business - Defcon live! /A - July 20, 1999 07.16.99 Defcon Live! By Adam L. Penenberg ildog, a member of the hacker group Cult of the Dead Cow, is lounging in his hotel suite, a smile smeared on his face. Being Las Vegas in July, the temperature outside is 100 degrees, but Dildog is air-conditioned cool. The unveiling of his latest software upgrade for Back Orifice--a not-so-subtle dig at Microsoft's Back Office--was a success, a raucous party that had more in common with a heavy metal concert than a software release. A gaggle of groupies, most of them in their twenties and dressed in noir black, with tattoos, piercings and scraggly hair, wait for him. They sit cross-legged on the carpet, availing themselves to a well-stocked minibar piled high with bottles of vodka, bourbon, whiskey. Cult of the Dead kicked off the conference with a laser-light show, culminating in a deafening electronic moo sound. Of the 3,000 hackers, crackers, geeks, "scene whores" (hacker groupies), computer security professionals, journalists, undercover cops and federal agents who attended this year's Defcon hacker convention, 2,000 of them crammed into a conference room at the Alexis Park Hotel to watch the "BO2K" release. Last year, Cult of the Dead Cow had chosen Defcon to release the first version of its Back Orifice. Written by fellow Cult member Sir Dystic, it works on Windows 95 and 98 machines by secretly creating a backdoor so that a remote user can control all functions on those computer. The upgrade Dildog coded is designed to work with networks that run on Windows NT, and it hides itself extremely well. While software makers, computer security companies, antivirus makers and law enforcement say the release of BO2K is just a way for hackers to legitimize illegal computer intrusions, Dildog claims he is just trying to point out potential problems with Microsoft's software. Computer security companies are "afraid to admit that their detection system is horribly and possibly irreparably flawed," he says. "[They] give people the impression their software 'raises the bar' against the average hacker. Unfortunately, this also fools people with really critical networks into thinking that this software is sufficient to protect them. People trusting this stuff to protect them from Trojan horses are in for a surprise." Cult of the Dead Cow members didn't come all the way to Las Vegas to disappoint, and they didn't. They kicked off the conference with a laser-light show, culminating in a deafening electronic moo sound. The crowd roared. Then, while Dildog and his associates explained their don't-blame-us-if-Microsoft-products-suck philosophy, a CD-ROM label was projected on the wall behind them, a cow head spinning and spinning. At the end of the presentation, Cult members flung some two dozen CD-ROMS containing the Back Orifice update. The crowd surged forward. Antivirus makers and computer security company reps watched closely, hoping to later corral someone with a copy. The first one to crack the program would win bragging rights, their names in a press release, perhaps even a mention in some magazine or newspaper articles as heros who thwarted the evil intentions of the Cult of the Dead Cow hacker gang. = An employee of ISS, the big-time computer-security company based in Atlanta, Ga. threw himself into the mob and somehow snagged a copy. Within 24 hours, the company would crack parts of the program and release an application that could identify it. At the time, Dildog didn't know this, and even if he had he wouldn't have cared. In an earlier Internet conversation, an ISS employee approached him and asked how much of a bribe it would take for him to pass the company an advance copy of the software, he claims. As a joke, the Cult sent back a note saying it would take $1 million and a monster truck, the idea they ostensibly got from "Hack Heaven," the sham article written by former New Republic associate editor Stephen Glass. ISS denies the company ever offered money for the software. Some hackers thought the spectacle undermined Dildog's credibility and made him look arrogant. Although ISS has been more than happy to play up the fact that it can detect the software, Dildog says he fully expected that companies would not only reverse engineer it, they would soon come up with a removal tool. That is why he released his software as "open source." That means hackers the world over can tweak the code to suit their needs. For every new version that hits the Net, computer
[CTRL] Government Sifting Thru Your Bank Account
-Caveat Lector- from: from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:538375"Government Sifting Thru Your Bank Account /A - Subject: Government Sifting Thru Your Bank Account From: B LeMaster Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] Date: Tue, 20 July 1999 05:20 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Los Angeles Times July 16, 1999 Many Banks Giving State Extensive Customer Data Privacy: Law demands records of 'deadbeat parents,' but small firms hand over information on all account holders. By EDMUND SANDERS, Times Staff Writer Scores of California banks, thrifts, credit unions and life insurers have begun turning over confidential information about their customers--including account balances and Social Security numbers--to state officials in an effort to comply with a new federal law designed to catch parents who fail to pay child support. The program, which took effect this spring, requires financial institutions nationwide to help locate so-called deadbeat parents by searching their customer databases every three months for matches against state-provided lists of child-support debtors. If matches are found, the names, account balances and other information must be given to state officials, who can then seize the assets. But in California, many small community banks and credit unions say they cannot afford the time or the technology necessary to check millions of customer records regularly, and unlike some other states, California is not helping financial institutions shoulder the costs. As a result, about half of the participating institutions are taking advantage of a provision that enables them to simply hand over the names and account balances of all their customers, forcing the state to look for matches itself. [...] "This is a further impingement on the confidential nature of those records," said Beth Givens, project director of the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse in San Diego. "The option of allowing a bank to provide its entire customer database to the state should never have been allowed." Though Givens said she is sympathetic to efforts to collect delinquent child support, she worries that the program will compromise the privacy of millions of Californians who have done nothing wrong. The program comes at a sensitive time in California, where many residents increasingly feel that their financial privacy is under attack. Last month, the state's employment department ditched plans to begin selling confidential salary data about 14 million Californians after it received a flood of complaints. Shortly thereafter, the state's largest banks admitted that they had been selling or disclosing sensitive information about their customers to telemarketing firms. "The government already has a Big Brother file on everyone," said Ann Kaufman, a bank customer in Rancho Palos Verdes. "They don't need to get any more information." [...] Tax board officials have steadfastly refused to identify which financial institutions are giving their full customer lists to the state. [...] The names of individuals who owe child support are provided by district attorneys, but the accuracy of that information has been called into question. A Times investigation last fall found that the Los Angeles County district attorney's office had seized bank accounts and pursued collections against men who were later determined not to be the fathers of the children in question. In one instance, a Carson man was imprisoned for 26 hours before it was discovered that he had the same name as a man sought for back child support. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [3] Talmud
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CLAIM (32)
Insults Against Blessed Mary Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus mother was a
whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the
harlot with carpenters."
RESPONSE (1)
Basically, the anti-Semites have combed through to find derogatory
statements, and then claim that they must be "about" Jesus.
"Jesus" and "Mary" (Yeshua and Miriam) were extremely common Jewish
names. A few of these passages actually use those names (though none
uses both). Most use *neither* name.
Given how severely Jews were persecuted by Christians, it would be
surprising if absolutely no bitter statements were made about Jesus in
the Talmud. What is surprising is how few there are that even *might*
qualify as such. And the most likely candidates are simply assertions of
immorality on Mary's part - which is an unavoidable conclusion unless
you believe in the virgin birth.
So - essentially the only thing that probably remains out of all this is
that the Talmud denies the virgin birth. Big whoop.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Royce Buehler)
5iroi7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RESPONSE (2)
There is no reference to anyone of this name on this page. In a section
of agada which describes Bilaam it is noted that he was once a prophet
but that after misusing his powers he became a mere soothsayer. The
Talmud quotes a common folk saying current at the time to describe such
a descent in status: 'from [being a wife of] royalty [she descended] to
be a prostitute to sailors'. Another reading is 'Oyazen [the name of a
Persian woman] was the wife of a noble and became the wife of a sailor'.
Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CLAIM (32a)
Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the
"uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam
the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
RESPONSE
No such text exists in the standard Talmuds. There is reference to a
certain Ben Stada who according to R. Eliezer brought knowledge of
witchcraft out of Egypt by making marks on his body. The other sages
dismissed Ben Stada as a fool. In some versions of the Talmud there is
statement to the effect that this person's mother (Miriam Magdala) was
not faithful to her husband. Some commentators specifically point out
for identification purposes that this person was executed in Lod and is
not
identifiable with anyone mentioned in Christian traditions. The Talmud
also notes that the name Miriam Magdala was a very common one.
Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CLAIM (33)
Gloats over Christ Dying Young A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over
the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam
(Jesus) was?-He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is
written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it
follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
RESPONSE (1)
Notice the "Jesus" in parentheses? The text does not say "Jesus". It
says "Balaam". How to trump up a charge of blasphemy, in one easy
lesson.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Royce Buehler)
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RESPONSE (2)
The Talmud states that the wicked Bilaam (Numbers 23:24) died after
living only half his allotted time span, in accordance with the
statement in Psalms 55:24, that the wicked do not survive half their
allotted life span. The commentary of Rashi makes it clear that the
reference is to the biblical Bilaam.
Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CLAIM (34)
Says Jesus was a Sorcerer Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in
footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced
sorcery.
RESPONSE (1)
It also says *how* he was executed - not by crucifixion. This isn't the
same "Yeshu". Common name, different guy. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Royce Buehler) 5iroi7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RESPONSE (2)
Standard versions of the Talmud do not mention anyone with this name.
There is a version which mentions Yeshu HaNotzri who was executed and
who had five students who were also executed. The description of this
Yeshu HaNotzri indicates that he was executed by stoning and that for
forty days before his execution announcements were made looking for
evidence in his favor. The Talmud also indicates that this Yeshu
HaNotzri was extremely friendly with the local Roman government. The
passage describes the way in which the followers of this Yeshu claim
that their names (Mathai, Natai, Netzer, Boni and Toda) give them
immunity from the death penalty and the way they were answered (by
passages from the bible connecting their names with death or execution).
As the description of the person involved does not fit the descriptions
given in Christian traditions it would appear that it is not referring
to the same person.
Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CLAIM (35)
Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord Gittin 57a . Says Jesus (see footnote #4)
is being boiled "hot excrement".
[CTRL] [2] Talmud
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CLAIM (23)
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object
lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed
also in Baba Kamma 113b).
RESPONSE (1)
Found objects do not have to be returned when they are lost under
circumstances that make the owner impossible to identify. This also
applies to objects lost by Jews in crowded areas --- as you would know
had you actually read the passage in question instead of pasting it in
from a National Socialist web site.
[EMAIL PROTECTED](Joseph Hertzlinger)
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RESPONSE (2)
Jews may not steal from non-Jews. In the Tosefta Baba Kama (10:8) we are
taught: "It is more grievous to steal from a non-Jew than from a Jew
because of the desecration of G-d's name".
The passage at Baba Mezia 24a deals with a specific religious
commandment requiring Jews to collect lost items, such as stray animals,
care for them, declare them to be lost, and hold them until the loser
comes to identify and claim them. This rule is not universal; there are
times when the loser is deemed to have renounced his ownership of the
lost property and then the rule is 'finders-keepers'.
Jewish law requires Jews to be bound by the 'law of the land' in civil
and commercial matters. Where the law of the land requires the return of
lost objects, Jews are bound by that law as are all residents of that
land. However, in pagan cities the general rule was 'finders-keepers'
and the question discussed by this Talmudic passage is whether in towns
with a majority pagan population (where the general rule is
'finders-keepers') Jews are required to return lost objects to Jews, and
the answer is negative.
The statement made in Baba Mezia 24a is the following: "Come and listen
[these words introduce a statement which will be analyzed in detail] if
he finds a lost article in a place where the majority are Israelites, he
must announce [that he found a lost article and return it to its owner];
if the majority are Canaanites [and the general rule is
finders-keepers], he need not announce [that he found a lost article or
return it to its previous owner]".
This discussion is amplified in Baba Kama 113b where the discussion
concludes that even if there is no general religious obligation to
return lost objects to heathens in cases where 'finders-keepers' is the
law, nevertheless it is required in cases where failure to return lost
objects might lead to a profanation of G-d's name.
To end this discussion, note that the Meiri (about 700 years ago), a
famous Talmud commentator, wrote as follows in his comments on Baba Kama
113b:
"We find that it is forbidden to steal even from idol worshippers and
those who do not have any kind of legal system . but one is not
required to expend efforts to find and return their lost articles, and
in fact one who simply finds their lost articles is not required to
return them since return of lost articles is an act of
extraordinary kindness [in places where 'finders-keepers' is the rule]
and we are not required to show this extraordinary kindness to those who
live without laws, but in any event ... in the case of a lost article it
should be returned if there is any chance of desecration of G-d's name
by failing to do so but for all those who have any kind of legal
and religious system at all of any type even though their faith is far
from our own, they are not [referred to] in these laws, rather they are
in all respects as Jews for these matters, both as to lost articles, or
to mistakes and to all the other matters without exception."
Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CLAIM (24)
Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an
old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to
a Cuthean..."
RESPONSE (1)
Returning a lost article to a member of enemy nation is not such a great
idea.
[EMAIL PROTECTED](Joseph Hertzlinger)
65lb0o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RESPONSE (2)
The correct quote is "[one] who marries his [young] daughter to an old
man or who marries an [older woman] to his young son and one who returns
a lost object to a Cuthean ['idol worshipper' in the text of the Ein
Yaakov]; of such a person Scripture speaks (Deut. 28:18): 'thereby
adding the watered upon the thirsty'".
The first two cases discussed in this agadic statement refer to a
father's obligation to find a spouse for his child whose age is suitable
to that of the child. The third statement refers to the prohibition
against returning lost articles to pagans who earn their living by
oppressing others in lands where 'finders-keepers' is the general rule.
Note that even in this case there are times when lost articles are
returned to such people [see discussion under point [CLAIM 23] above].
The term 'thereby adding the watered upon the thirsty' has been
[CTRL] WHO WAS REVEREND PRANAITIS AND WHAT DID HE DO?
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WHO WAS "REVEREND" PRANAITIS AND WHAT DID HE DO?
The Reverend I.B. Pranaitis was a turn-of-the-century Russian
anti-Semite who was "Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew
Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic
Church" in Old St.Petersburg, Russia. He also had a criminal record. In
1892, with the support of his Archbishop, he published an anti-Semitic
tract in Latin called "Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum" or as it became
known in English, "The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teachings
Concerning Christians" which was translated into English by American
anti-Semites around 1939.
Pranaitis is revered by anti-Semites as a "Talmud Scholar". For example
at a hate-site on the Web,
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/factindx.htm#Facts are Facts we find
"The Rev. Pranaitis was the greatest of the students of the Talmud. His
complete command of the Hebrew language qualified him to analyze the
Talmud as few men in history". (Interestingly, a vast majority of the
Talmud is not even written in Hebrew, but this minor problem will be
ignored for the moment.) The reality concerning this "scholar" is very
different as was even proven in an anti-Semitic court.
This occurred in the infamous "blood libel" case of Mendel Beiliss in
Russia in 1912 where Beiliss was accused of murdering a Christian child
to take his blood for alleged Jewish rituals and to put in Passover
Matzah (unleavened bread). (Incidentally, the first known "blood libel"
case occurred in Norwich, England in 1144.)
Pranaitis was called as a prosecution witness to testify to the
allegedly horrible things said about Christians in the Talmud. His
credibility, however, was quickly destroyed by the defence who asked him
a few basic questions which anyone with even the slightest knowledge of
the Talmud would be expected to know:
The particular questions that Panaitis was asked under cross-examination
that completely destroyed his credibility were as follows:
Q: What is the meaning of the word Hullin?
A: I don't know.
("Hullin" means "ordinary produce" in Hebrew as opposed to "sanctified
produce".)
Q: What is the meaning of the word Erubin?
A: I don't know.
("Erubin" means "domains which have been set up to allow Jews to carry
outside their homes on the Sabbath".)
Q: What is the meaning of the word Yevamot?
A: I don't know.
("Yevamot" means "brothers in law in reference to Leverite marriage - a
certain type of marriage relating to the command to marry one's dead
brother's wife if he died without children".)
Q: When did Baba Bathra live and what was her activity?
A: I don't know.
(Baba Bathra was not a person but it is a Talmudic Tractate.)
Ref: "Blood Accusation: The Strange History of the Beiliss Case" by
Maurice Samuel. Quote supplied by Joseph Hertzlinger
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Other books concerning this "trial" are:
"The Russian Jew under the Tsars and Soviets" by Salo W. Baron
"History of the Jews in Russia and Poland", S. M. Dubnow
"The Decay of Czarism: The Beilis Trial" by Alexander B. Tager.
"The Beilis Transcripts: The Anti-Semitic Trial that Shook the World",
E. Leikin, Aronson, New Jersey, 1993, ISBN 0-87668-179-8
So much for Pranaitis' credibility. Nevertheless, his quotes keep
getting circulated and most recently were even taught in the class room
of school teacher Mr James Keegstra in Eckville, Alberta, Canada. He was
dissmised from his post in 1982. (See
http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/keegstra.jim/supreme.court/fa
cts)
The majority of the Talmud "quotes" in this document are derived from
Pranaitis' book.
Pranaitis in the Beiliss "Blood Libel" trial.
This is an extract of "Scapegoat on Trial: The Story of Mendel Beiliss
The Autobiography of Mendel Beiliss" Shari Schwarz, editor. [Note the
variant spelling of Pranaitis.]
The star witness for the prosecution was the Catholic priest Pronaitis.
He was not a reputable Russian Orthodox priest; indeed, one could not be
found to do such "dirty work" at the bidding of the authorities. They
were lucky to have found someone like Pronaitis at all. He was
presumably well versed in both the Talmud and Kabbalah. In short, he
presented himself as a great Hebraist and was introduced to the court as
such. But when this "expert" began to speak, it was obvious to all that
he was nothing short of an ignoramus, his only talent being the ability
to talk a good game. However, since the authorities needed his
long-winded verbiage to carry some weight, they feigned to respect him
as a holy man of great stature.
He began his lecture by stating matter-of-factly that the Jews offered
human sacrifices and the Jewish religion commanded its adherents to
murder gentiles. He even "interpreted" a sentence from the Talmud that
supposedly said, "Murder the best of the gentiles." In
[CTRL] Lo-ta'aneh vere'acha ed shaker. = (Do not testify as a false witness against your neighbor.)
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/ A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/"Talmud Expos /A - Lo-ta'aneh vere'acha ed shaker. Exodus 20:13 (Do not testify as a false witness against your neighbor.) Response to anti-Semites' posting of Talmud "Quotes" and other anti-Semitic fabrications and distortions Author: David S. Maddison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project started: 1998CE/07/29 This site started 1999CE/03/15 Much of anti-Semitism appears to have its origins in the supposed belief that Jews must intrinsically hate Christianity and humanity in general. Of course, this is not true, but it does not stop the production of vast amounts of anti-Semitic propaganda to this effect. This belief is often combined with the idea that Jews are somehow not human, but must have access to various subterfuges or even magic to give, at least, the appearance of being human and thus be able to "infiltrate" and "corrupt" normal society. Indeed, many societies have blamed "the Jews" for all their problems. It follows from these beliefs that Jews must therefore be exterminated in order for society to function normally, and sadly, this has been tried on more than one occasion. The types of fears and misconceptions at work in these cases are among the most ancient and primordial in existence. Perhaps if those that blamed "the Jews" for their problems had the same devotion to education, learning and personal advancement that Jews typically do, they wouldn't have whatever problems they are blaming Jews for. This is a project to provide responses to the anti-Semites who post alleged quotes from the Talmud and other anti-Jewish propaganda in a way intended to promote hatred of Jews. These "Talmud quotes" and other material are either entire fabrications, mistranslations or out of context. This is a sample of the first small completed section. If you have any comments I would be happy to hear them. I would like to thank all the people who have contributed answers. Each contribution includes the author's name or initials. I would also like to thank Frances for starting this site and for ongoing support. There are also several other documents that I am working on. Most of the "Talmud quotes" come from the Russian anti-Semite Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, who had a criminal record and was "Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church" in Old St. Petersburg, Russia. He wrote this material around the turn of the century in a booklet in Latin with the English title of "The Talmud Unmasked". He was a self-identified Talmudic "scholar" who testified at the B. Mendel Beilis "Blood Libel" case and was laughed out of court when asked some very basic questions on the Talmud which he couldn't answer. Nevertheless, his legacy survives and it is about time there was a response to it. So here is the first part. Note: This site will not attempt to deal with Holocaust denial. For those requiring proof that the Holocaust did occur, please visit http://www.nizkor.org or http://www.holocaust-history.org David S. Maddison Response to: "Why Jews are Persecuted - Some Insight from Jewish Writings" "The Code of the Jews - From the Talmud" "Why jews Are Persecuted For Their Religion - The Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction!" Response to: The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" Response to: Aren't a majority of modern Jews descended from the Khazars? If so, Jews should have no claim on Israel. Some true quotes from the Talmud by Michael Gruda A response to "THE TALMUD: JUDAISM'S HOLIEST BOOK DOCUMENTED AND EXPOSED" (In two parts.) A brief chronology of anti-Semitism Who was "Reverend" Pranaitis and what did he do? The supposed quote of Rabbi Wise purporting that Communism=Judaism The supposed quotes of Washington, Franklin, Jefferson and others [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please come back soon and visit me. NOTE: If you tried to send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] any time before June 30, 1999 I DID NOT RECEIVE IT due to an email problem. Please re-send it to the above address. This web page was made by Frances - [EMAIL PROTECTED] = rom: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Response1.html A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Response1.html"Response 1 /A - Response to: "Why Jews are Persecuted - Some Insight from Jewish Writings" "The Code of the Jews - From the Talmud" "Why jews Are Persecuted For Their Religion - The Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction!" Examples of this document on line are at: English language: http://www.posse-comitatus.org/jewper.html Non-English language: http://www.nidlink.com/~aryanvic/jewper-SW.html(Aryan Nations, Sweden) CLAIM "We beg Thee, O Lord, inflict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee. Take away, O Lord all hope from them. Destroy all foes of Thy nation."--Synagoga Judaica, p. 212. Minhagen, p.
[CTRL] [1] Talmud
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html"Talmud/A --[1]-- A truth-based response to: "THE TALMUD: JUDAISM'S HOLIEST BOOK DOCUMENTED AND EXPOSED" also known as "TALMUD UNMASKED" Examples of this document are available from the following racist and anti-Semitic Web sites: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud.htm http://frontpage.inficad.com/~romanist/TalmudTruth.htm http://www.hoffmaddn-info.com/talmudtruth.html http://www.iahushua.com/JQ/talmud.html http://www3.stormfront.org/jewish/talmud.html http://abbc.com/islam/english/toread/talmud2.htm http://www.thelordswork.com/Antichrist/TALMUD.htm The document is also posted to various newsgroups by anti-Semites on a regular basis. CLAIM (1) The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)." RESPONSE That's not true. The Torah - the Five Books of Moses is Judaism's "holiest" book, however it has two parts, a written part (which is what Christians are familiar with) and an Oral part (which the early Christians abandoned). The Oral part, or "Oral Law" is analogous to be a body of jurispudence and procedures to accompany the written law and is understood to have been handed down from Moses around the 1200's BCE. It was expressly forbidden to write it down because it was thought that any such attempt would be incomplete but after much debate, it became apparent that the only way to preserve it would be to write it down and this was done between 70CE and 200 CE in the form of the Mishna and the supplementary Tosefta. Later the Gemara was added as additional material and was written between 200CE and 500CE. Finally around 500 CE this and other material were included in the encyclopedic Talmud consisting of 5,894 pages and there are many further works in addition to these as well. The point of saying this is that in the absence of any interpretation via an oral tradition, it is difficult to understand what was meant. For example, the classic "eye for an eye" quote (Exodus 21:24 and Leviticus 24:17-22) which Christians interpret literally has no such interpretation in Judaism. No Jewish court has ever blinded or otherwise inflicted physical injury as revenge or retribution. The phrase is interpreted to mean what the perpetrator of a crime deserves, not what he should get. Another example is that despite the existence of capital punishment in the Hebrew Bible, Jewish courts rarely issued the death penalty as extremely strict conditions were imposed on who was considered valid witnesses and other requirements which were difficult to meet in practice. Other examples proving the existence of the Oral Law within the Bible relate to the fact that many terms, procedures, rights and responsibilites are assumed to be common knowledge within the text. A common expression is "as I have commanded you" but it doesn't say anywhere what the command was, except that it known from the Oral part of the Bible. The Talmud derives its authority from the Torah on which it is based.. David S. Maddison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CLAIM (2) The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have more knowledge of the Old Testament than the Israelis. RESPONSE That's not true. In fact they have less knowledge of the Bible because they lost the Oral Law somewhere in their past and thus did not have complete knowledge of the Bible because the Oral Law is just as much a part of the Bible as the Written Law. How for example would they be expected to perform duties described in the written Bible described in the form "as I have commanded you" where no where else in the written Bible does it give what these instructions are? The instructions were given in the Oral part of the Bible. Also, it is clear from the Talmud that the Torah law takes precedence over the Talmud: "When doubt arises in a Rabbinical law we are naturally lenient; but where the law is Scriptural we are strict." Pesahim, Soncino Edition, p. 42, footnote (2) David S. Maddison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CLAIM (3) However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes Talmud, of which they have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4: "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way." Because they don't traffic in Talmudic traditions, the Black Ethiopians are discriminated against and have been forbidden to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state. RESPONSE Because the Ethiopian Jews stopped
[CTRL] Response to WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THE JEWS
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html"WHAT THEY SAID /A - Response to "WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THE JEWS" An example of these claims appears on the following hate site(s): http://abbc.com/islam/english/toread/clilist.htm (Radio Islam) CLAIM George Washington ( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton Co.) "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." George Washington RESPONSE (1) Well, I got the *Maxims of George Washington* (actually published by D. Appleton Co., 1894) through interlibrary loan yesterday, thanks to U.C. San Diego being willing to allow a 104 yr. old volume to travel. It makes interesting reading. I found that the above quote is almost entirely accurate--EXCEPT that the original has no mention of the Jews. Why am I not surprised? When Washington made this statement he was, according to *Maxims* speaking of speculators in the currency, not Jews. I did a teensy bit of research discovered that one of the great problems of our Revolution was that speculators cornered supplies of shoes, clothes vital supplies sold them at huge profits, while privateers would slip out of port trade in other nations making individuals rich to the detriment of the national treasury. In a letter to John Augustine Washington (10/26/1778) Washington wrote: "I would to God that one of the most atrocious of each State was hung in gibbets upon a gallows five times as high as the one prepared for Haman." (Haman~In the Old Testament, a Persian minister who was hanged for plotting the destruction of the Jews.) As to what Washington really felt about the Jews, I have found no negative statements--although I _did_ find addresses to Jewish congregations congratulating them on the freedom from persecution that America offered them! As a matter of fact, Jews played a great part in our Revolution. They took part in our rebellion from the very first: 9 Jews signed the Non-Importation Resolutions of 1765 (on display in Philadelphia at Carpenter's Hall). One, Haym Salomon, was a rich man who unstintingly gave money to help our leaders when in need (including Jefferson Madison and other members of congress) refused to be paid back in addition gave many thousands of dollars to the Treaury the army. Many other Jews gave money to our early government, including one Manuel Mordecai Noah who served as an officer on Washington's staff who, upon enlistment, gave his entire fortune of 20,000 pounds to the cause. Many fought as soldiers. Since Washington spoke out on his feelings about Indians and slaves, especially in his diaries letters, I can't help but think that if he had any low opinions of Jews they would have surfaced long ago. The original poster tried to use the words of Washington to spread his foul lies prejudices. Hey Buryea, try _this_ quote from *The Maxims of Washington*: "I am sure, the mass of citizens in these United States mean well; I firmly believe they will always act well, whenever they can obtain _a right understanding of matters_. But, in some parts of the Union, where the sentiments of their delegates leaders are adverse to government, and great pains are taken to inculcate a belief, that their rights are assailed their liberties endangered, it is not easy to accomplish this; SPECIALLY, as is the case invariably, when INVENTORS ABETTORS OF PERNICIOUS MEASURES use infinitely more industry, in DISSEMINATING POISON, than the well-disposed part of the community, in furnishing the antidote. TO THIS ALL OUR DISCONTENTS MAY BE TRACED; and from it all our embarrassments proceed." (p.76, Maxims). Susan Umpleby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in Usenet message 01bd69c6$3fbc7b80$b4ebd9cf@default http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=344922853 RESPONSE (2) In his famous letter to "The Hebrew Congregation in Newport," written in 1790, President George Washington pledged that the new nation would "give to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance" and thereby set the standard for religious freedom and civil liberties in America. From http://www.nps.gov/tosy/ In the light of these comments, George Washington could hardly be accused of being an anti-Semite. The full text of the letter follows: To the Hebrew Congregation in Newport Rhode Island Gentlemen: While I receive with much satisfaction, your Address replete with expressions of affection and esteem, I rejoice in the opportunity of answering you, that I shall always retain a grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced in my visit to New port, from all classes of Citizens. The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are
[CTRL] [4] Talmud
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html"Talmud/A - CLAIM (56) Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave. RESPONSE (1) Gentiles, women and slaves were not obligated under Old Testament law to follow *all* the laws of the Torah. This was a prayer of thanks for having been commanded to follow all of the law. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Royce Buehler) 5iroi7$[EMAIL PROTECTED] RESPONSE (2) The version in the Talmud we have extant states is as follows: 'R. Meir used to state that a man is obligated to make these three blessings each day: who made me an Israelite, who did not make me a woman, who did not make me an ignorant person ...' A comment on the page notes that in the versions of some scholars the blessing 'who made me an Israelite' is replaced by 'who did not make me a non-Jew' (in some versions this is reported as 'who did not make me an idol-worshipper') and it would appear that this is the original version formulated by the sages. The Talmud notes that the blessing 'who did not make me an ignorant person' should be replaced by 'who did not make me a slave'. These three blessings are recited in the morning after recitation of a number of blessings over the creation of the soul, the implanting of the soul in our bodies, and the granting of wisdom to mankind. These blessings acknowledge our creation as human beings and they are followed by the three blessings we are considering, a blessing for not having been created as Gentile, slave or woman. Both context and commentaries make it clear that the order of these three latter blessings is determined by the number of commandments that a person is required to perform. Gentiles are bound by the seven Noachide commandments, slaves (of Jews) and Jewish women by many more commandments and Jewish males by even more commandments. The term 'blessing' cannot be understood as a simple 'Thank you'. Jews are required to bless G-d both for the good and the bad. A special blessing is recited when one is informed of tragic news, for example, and each night Jews make a blessing over the fall of night which in ancient times (and perhaps today as well) was associated with fear and insecurity. In this case the blessings refer to our status as people obligated to carry out more commandments. The following commentary found in prayer books (Anaf Yosef quoting an earlier source ) explains why 'the sage s formulated these blessings in a negative manner and not as 'who made me a Jew', 'who made me a free man', 'who made me a man''. The commentary explains that the sages determined that in some sense it would have been better for man not to have been born into a body which inevitably is drawn after sin, but to remain in a pure spiritual state. By making a positive blessing 'who made me a Jew' one would indicate an improper sense of satisfaction about his state for "it is clear that it would be better for a man not to have been created at all, neither as a male, nor a female, neither as a Jew nor as a gentile nor as a free man [but rather it would be better if he had remained in his spiritual state]. However since [G-d] decreed [our creation] we must bless Him and praise Him ... [in accordance with the ability He has given us to perform His commandments]." See [elsewhere in this document/web page] for more information on the Talmudic attitude to non-Jews. Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CLAIM (57) Shabbath 86a-86b . Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark. RESPONSE (1) This relates to the sanctification of marriage and the requirement to always be modest. Marital relations are considered an essential part of Jewish married life and the husband must do his utmost to provide for the needs of his wife. The requirement to do this in the dark ensures, apart from modesty, that the physical appearance of the husband or wife is unimportant and what matters is making the act itself holy and satisfying for both people in order to improve the marital bond. The leniency allowed for a scholar is because he is more likely to be aware of these requirements. In any case, this leniency only applies to scholars in extenuating circumstances. David S. Maddison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) RESPONSE (2) See note to item [CLAIM 42] above. Michael Gruda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CLAIM (58) Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b . Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by he Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that
[CTRL] Did I send ya this?
-Caveat Lector- An excerpt from: Hitler's Priestess Savitri Devi, The Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism Nicholas Goodricke-Clarke©1998 New York University Press www.nyupress.nyu.edu ISBN 0-8147-3110-4 - Another fine one from, Mr. Goodricke-Clarke. Om K - The new anthropogeny of the gifted white European races was complete by 1819, when Friedrich Schlegel applied the term Aryan to this as yet anonymous Indic-Nordic master race. The word had been derived from Herodotus's Arioi (an early name for the Medes and Persians) and recently used by French and German authors to designate these ancient peoples. However, Schlegel's new usage caught on as he linked the root Ari with Ehre, the German word for honor. Again, he was philologically quite correct because one also finds the same root with a similar meaning in the Slav and Celtic languages. However, the anthropological implications of the new word for the ancestral European race were much more exciting and flattering: as Aryans, the Germans and their ancient Indian ancestors were the people of honor, the aristocracy of the various races of mankind. It should be noted that Friedrich Schlegel was neither an extreme German nationalist nor an anti-Semite. He campaigned for the emancipation of the Jews in Germany and married the daughter of the distinguished Jewish philosopher Moses Mendelssohn. Nevertheless, his ideas in due course stimulated the boldest ideas about Aryan supremacy among German, French, and English scholars. Throughout the first half of the nineteenth century famous and obscure German philosophers and philologists alike worked tirelessly to develop and refine the Aryan myth. Many more speculations were supplied by Julius von Klaproth (who coined the term Indo-Germanic), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Jacob Grimm, and Franz Bopp. In 1820 the geographer Karl Ritter described the Indian armies breaking through to the West across the Caucasus. As the originator of the famous dictionary, Grimm exercised a lasting influence on literary and historical textbooks. He described the arrival of the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germans in Europe in successive waves of immigration from Asia. However, the Aryans were not yet set against the Jews in these accounts. The outlines of the Aryan- Semitic dualism first became apparent in 1845, when Christian Lassen (1800-1876), the pupil and protege of the Schlegel brothers, contrasted the Semites unfavorably with the Indo-Germans as unharmonious, egotistical, and exclusive. His emphasis on biology, the triumph of the strongest, the youthful and creative nature of the most recent species, and the superiority of the whites provided the basic ingredients of all subsequent thinking about the master race. Such notions were soon combined with a virulent anti-Semitism by the famous composer and author Richard Wagner (1813-1883), who enjoyed a fervent following in Germany and Austria.[8] Through the lectures and books of the great philologist Max Muller (1823-1900) in Oxford and Ernest Renan (1823-1892) in France, the Aryan myth had become established dogma throughout European learned society by about 1860. From this time on most educated Europeans came to know that the European nations were of the Aryan race, which had come from the high plateaus of Asia. The common ancestors of the Indians, Persians, Greeks, Italians, Slavs, Germans, and Celts had dwelt in this region before migrating across Asia and Europe to found their respective ethnic groups, which in due course became the nations known to ancient and medieval history. The idea that the Europeans had an origin distinct from the Jews was also implicit and indeed survived any ensuing revisions of the Aryans' geographical origins. Linguistics, anthropology, and biology had combined with the cultural and political achievements of the European powers to underwrite their sense of confidence as world leaders. They were all Aryans and the Aryans were the superior race, the highest form of humanity. pp.31-32 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[CTRL] JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:538118"JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby /A - Subject: JFK, Jr., and the Lindbergh Baby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Date: Mon, 19 July 1999 01:10 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Over the last two days I have written about the connections of the Kennedy name to the auspicious date July 16, the anniversary of the launch of Apollo 11, the first manned mission to land on the moon (1969), and the anniversary of the massacre of the Czar and his family in Ekaterinburg (1918). Another set of analogies and "coincidences" will be examined today. President Kennedy was closely associated with the effort to send men to the moon by the end of the decade of the 1960s. Similarly, Charles A. Lindbergh was the first man to fly solo from America to continental Europe. Lindbergh landed in Paris on May 21, 1927, the first day of Gemini, the Twins, the birth sign of the Antichrist. Lindbergh was later married to Anne Morrow, daughter of a Wall Street wheeler-dealer and partner of the infamous CLuM J. P. Morgan. (President Kennedy was the son of the Wall Street manipulator and underworld trafficker, CLuM Brother Joseph P. Kennedy.) They had a son named after his famous father, Charles A. Lindbergh, Jr., an analogy to the name of JFK, Jr. On March 1, 1932, the Lindbergh baby disappeared from the family's house in New Jersey, just like JFK, Jr., who took off from a New Jersey airport. The kidnaper(s) contacted the family through secret, coded messages and led them to believe that the baby had been taken to a boat off the coast of Martha's Vineyard. Their note stated: "The boy is on Boad Nelly. It is a small boad 28 feet long. Two person are on the Boad. The are innocent. you will find the Boad between Horseneck Beach and gay Head near Elizabeth Island." (This note was written in a "German-style accent".) Horseneck Beach is a town on the Massachusetts mainland. Gay Head is the southwestern tip of the island of Martha's Vineyard where the JFK, Jr., plane flotsam washed ashore. As CLuM luck would have it, the New Jersey airport JFK, Jr., used is met at its southwestern corner by Horseneck Rd. The reference to the Elizabeth Islands (between Martha's Vineyard and the mainland) is also significant since St. Elizabeth was the mother of St. John the Baptist, a "patron saint" of Masonry. Moreover, Queen Elizabeth I is the rumored "virgin mother" of Sir Francis Bacon, the author of the "New Atlantis". The Lindbergh baby was eventually found dead in New Jersey in a field, some two miles away from the house. On Colonel Lindbergh's instructions the badly decomposed body was cremated, leaving no lasting evidence. This happened on Friday, the 13th day of May, 1932, close to the fifth anniversary of the father's flight to Paris. The two men who found the body were named William Allen and Orville Wilson, a double occurrence of the CLuM monicker "William", i.e., "Levi" in reverse. After two and a half years the police arrested a German immigrant, Bruno Richard Hauptmann, a carpenter who used to live in The Bronx, N.Y. The arrest took place around the time of the Full Moon of Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, in 1934. On the Day of Atonement a scape goat is made to symbolically carry away the sins of the people. Even though the police used to think that more than just one person were involved in the kidnapping, after Hauptmann's arrest, he was considered as the "lone" perpetrator. "Hauptmann" means "headman" in German, indicating the CLuM fascination with heads and skulls, such as the Baphomet skull. Eventually Hauptmann was convicted and sentenced to death in New Jersey. He is said to have been executed on April 3, 1936, by electrocution, just before the Full Moon of Passover, the feast of the sacrifice of innocent lambs. (March 1, 1932, the day of the kidnapping, falls at the time of Purim, a feast celebrating a slaughter of Goyim.) Hauptmann maintained his innocence to the end, even though he was offered a commutation of his death sentence in exchange for information on his collaborators. However, it is easy to see that an execution by electrocution can be easily faked. The same is true of an execution by lethal injection, the mode that is faced by CLuM Conspirator Timothy "Macbeth" McVeigh. In charge of the police investigation in New Jersey was Col. Norman Schwarzkopf, father of "Storming" Norman Schwarzkopf, the general in charge of Desert Scam back in 1990-91. Such a small world! "Schwarzkopf" means "black head" in German, as opposed to "Weisshaupt", "white head", as in "Adam Weisshaupt", the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati back on May Day 1776. More CLuM skulls and bones in their closets. Some more hoofprints: *** Close to Gay Head of Martha's Vineyard is another tiny island
[CTRL] Camelot Photographer Stanley Tretick Dies
-Caveat Lector- First John-John, now this Kennedy photographer, dead dead dead. What's the connexion? How is Rupert Murdoch involved? What's being suppressed? Tretick was nowhere near Montauk, was he? http://news.excite.com/news/r/990720/11/news-kennedy-photographer Camelot Photographer Stanley Tretick Dies Updated 11:58 AM ET July 20, 1999 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Aaron Stanley Tretick, a news photographer known for the famous picture of John F. Kennedy Jr. as a toddler peeking out from under his father's desk, has died. Tretick, 77, died Monday at a Maryland nursing home. The former Marine made a name for himself as a photographer in the 1950s. He worked for news agencies, covering the Korean War and Washington and in later years he was a freelance photographer. He stopped working in 1995. His most-memorable photographs, when Tretick worked for Look magazine, were of the Kennedy White House years and some of the pictures became etched in the memory of Camelot. He covered John F. Kennedy's congressional campaigns in the 1950s and the 1960 presidential election. The photograph of John F. Kennedy Jr. peering through the open front panel of the Oval Office desk while his smiling father shuffled papers overhead was snapped in October 1963, shortly before JFK's assassination. Another memorable Tretick photograph is of Kennedy driving a golf cart overflowing with Kennedy children and cousins. Another is of Kennedy, the presidential candidate, standing on the hood of a car as a sea of hands reach for him. He later became close to Robert F. Kennedy, covering his 1968 presidential campaign and snapping a famous picture of him standing alone with his arms crossed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990720a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : Very few cats were skinned to produce this bulletin, one way or another. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # TELEPORT IS DREAM GADGET. (BBC) Britons expect to have more gadgets in 10 years, but dream of instantaneous global travel and learning while they sleep, says a survey. Self-cleaning kitchens, electronic assistants and maintenance-free cars are among the top items in the technology wish-list for 2009. "Ideal home of the future has self-cleaning kitchen and calorie- free food in the fridge" But what people would really like is a new Star Trek-style technology that would let them be "teleported" instantaneously anywhere in the world. And people also want to be able to programme their dreams to travel, learn and cure bad habits while asleep. Beam me up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_398000/398759.stm # Also: Flying car ready for take-off: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_354000/354129.stm # Future gadgets get mixed reaction: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_332000/332628.stm # Technology? Yes please, say Britons: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_261000/261015.stm : Where would you teleport to? Would you stay there? What's your most-wanted 'dream' gadget? Is it a sexual device, an implant, bioengineered, demonic?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ $ The Crop Circle Connector Calendar is now officially an X-file! Sun.4.7.99 Season: Six - Episode: The Unnatural - Mulder and Scully are in the office deep within the FBI building; Scully looks wistfully through the solitary skylight window. Does Mulder ever think of anything but work? The camera pans across the room and there it is! A 1999 Crop Circle calendar gracing the wall of Fox Mulder s office! You too could now have your piece of X- files memorabilia. A beautiful full colour calendar with over 35 photos of the best crop circles of 1998. We have limited numbers remaining of this calendar. These calendars will be sold on a first come first served basis. http://x40.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=500314214CONTEXT=932485212.265355280 : Have you arranged for paranormal product placement on XFILES, BUFFY, GvsE, TEENWITCH or other TV show? Do you make good money with paranormal products? Is your paranormal product made of paper, plastic, plasma, ectoplasm, air?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # JFK Jr. Plane May Have Dived Steeply. (Reuters) The plane piloted by John F. Kennedy Jr. made a terrifying 1,100-foot plunge in the final seconds before it crashed into the Atlantic, according to new radar tracking info. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990720/11/news-kennedy-leadall # Kennedy Plane Had Voice Recorder. (Reuters) The plane flown by John F. Kennedy Jr. had a type of voice recording device fitted to its radio that may have captured any final transmission from the aircraft. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990720/01/news-kennedy-probe : Did the plane plummit to avoid a UFO? Are Reptilioid voices on the voice tape? Were the Kennedy-Bessettes abducted, beamed-out before the crash? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Russian whistleblower walks free. (BBC) A military journalist who allegedly exposed environmental pollution by Russia's Pacific fleet is released after acquittal on treason charges. Will be shot later: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_398000/398910.stm # News goes mobile. (BBC) Reuters and Swedish mobile phone giant Ericsson join forces to launch a wireless, Internet-based news and data service. news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/the_company_file/newsid_398000/398432.stm : Will wireless worldwide news/data transmissions let anyone send/receive defamatory/treasonous/investigative data whenever they wish? Is one man's expose another's treason? Who/what would you like to expose/betray/reveal? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ "The Revelation": HIGHLIGHTS: ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LIGHT BULB; SATANIC SYMBOLS IN WASHINGTON DC, AVEBURY, ENGLAND CYDONIA, MARS; THE BROTHERHOOD OF THE SERPENT, ALSO KNOWN AS "BIG BROTHER"; THE NEW WORLD ORDER/TRIBULATION... REALIZE WHAT MOST AREN'T AWARE OF. http://members.xoom.com/elgato76/pages/ : What aren't you aware of? Do you have old light bulbs? Are DC Avebury Cydonia satanic? Are you? If real secrets were revealed, would the NWO exact punishment? Are all NWO theories just disinformation, disguising The Truth? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pain is in the genes, says study. (BBC) A patient's sensitivity to pain is determined by their genetic make-up, according to research that may herald a whole new generation of treatments. The study also found that response to painkilling drugs is also dependent on genes, with a wide variation between different people. The result could be drugs
[CTRL] [1] The Gold of the Sun
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.lvcybermall.com/book A HREF="http://www.lvcybermall.com/book/"The Gold of the Sun/A - The Gold of the Sun A Reality Based Fiction Brief Outline Of the Chapters BOOK ONE: THE WAR YEARS Chapters 1 - 2 Top military and government officials meet in Mukden, Manchukuo in late 1936 to discuss the forthcoming war with the Chinese, Americans, Netherlands and French. The Emperor of Japan and others had developed a plan to finance the expansion of their military and to construct the ships, planes and other military hardware that would be required in ordered to implement their plans. In December 1937 Japan had openly declared war on China and had surrounded the Chinese Capitol of Nanking. Prince Chichibu, the younger brother of Emperor Hirohito had been selected to head the ultra secret treasure recovery team. The Prime Minister, Prince Asaka had come from the Emperor with instructions to fully implement the plan. This led to the Rape of Nanking and the death of 300,000 Chinese civilians and military. Many had been tortured to reveal the locations of treasures and summarily executed. This secret team was given a code name of the Golden Lily after a poem the Emperor had once written. 6000 metric tons of gold were recovered from Nanking alone plus silver and precious stones. It was a good beginning and acted as a training ground for the secret team. Emperor Hirohito was pleased. Chapters 3 - 4 Winston Churchill, the wartime Prime Minister of Great Britain, met with Lord Beaverbrook in July 1940. France had just fallen to Hitler's blitzkreig. The Germans had amassed their troops in the ports of France ready to cross the English Channel and invade Britain. Churchill had learned that the French had transferred their national treasures to French Indochina just before they had signed an armistice with the Germans. He had also learned from the Queen of The Netherlands that they had moved their treasures to the Dutch East Indies. He and the King of England decided to move the British treasures to the supposedly safe island fortress of Singapore off the southern tip of the Malay peninsula. A year later Japan had sunk most of the American Pacific fleet with a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. By early January 1942 Japan's victories had been nothing short of miraculous. Guam and Wake Islands had fallen. Japan had assimilated Thailand and the northern part of French Indochina. The Japanese had launched a vigorous invasion of the Philippine Islands and were pushing the Americans into a final defensive position on Bataan. Her armies were fighting their way down the Malay Peninsula approaching Singapore. Although the Japanese were encountering little resistance they were greatly outnumbered by the British and Indian troops. In China, Japan had taken most of the major port cities and on Christmas Day 1941, had forced the British into surrendering Hong Kong. The Golden Lily team had been greatly expanded to handle these rapidly changing situations. It is fair to say that they were actually overwhelmed. Emperor Hirohito had requested Prince Chichibu to fly to Hanoi in French Indochina to meet with his younger brother Prince Mikasa. The Japanese secret police had learned that France had sent their National Treasures there. But, where were they hidden? Prince Chichibu had ordered the torture of the Bankers and former Diplomats in order to find out. They learned the treasure had been sent to Saigon by rail just before the Japanese troops had moved into Hanoi. The treasure had been hidden in the ruins of an ancient temple at the end of track. The excitement of this recovery was only overshadowed by later events. Chapters 5 - 6 The fortress of Singapore fell to General Yamashita and with General MacArthur being ordered out of the Philippines, the last American and Filipino troops on Bataan and Corregidor surrendered to General Homma. The infamous Death March began. The Japanese victories on all fronts were extremely heady. They began to believe in their own invincibility. Burma was now in Japanese hands and invasion plans had been drawn up for a move into Northern Australia. Asia and Southeast Asia and most of the Islands in the Pacific were as good as theirs. Prince Chichibu in Singapore was elated when his team found the treasures of Britain stored in the banks. The collection of wealth throughout the conquered lands continued. With over 5000 years of Asia's antiquity to pillage, the amounts collected were astronomical. Far surpassing what was thought to be the total amount of gold ever mined throughout history. With Shanghai in their hands the Golden Lily team found themselves stretched to the limit in keeping up with the collection and melting down of the precious metals. Another surprise experienced by Prince Chichibu was the discovery that the Dutch had moved their treasures to Batavia in the Netherlands East Indies. Now, not only did Japan have the wealth of the Asian continent, but
[CTRL] [2] The Franklin Cover-up - Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska -repost
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Franklin Cover-up - Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska John W. DeCamp(C) 1992/1996 2nd Edition AWT Inc. PO Box 85461 Lincoln, Nebraska 68501 - If you haven't seen/read the second edition. There are over 100 new pages of info. Here tis a sample. Om K - CHAPTER 21 DRUGS AND THE MONARCH PROJECT On August 18-20, 1996, a California newspaper, the San Jose Mercury, published a series of articles implicating elements of the U.S. government in running tons of cocaine into U.S. cities during the 1980s. Based upon recently declassified government documents, eyewitness reports, and court records, Mercury reporter Gary Webb provided a detailed account of how the Contras financed their war against the Sandinista regime of Nicaragua by flying tons of cocaine into the West Coast, where it would be turned into the deadly, instantly addictive "crack," and sold to such street gangs as the Cryps and the Bloods. All of this began after the U.S. Congress in the early 1980s passed the Boland Amendment, which stopped all official financing for U.S. intelligence's "covert war" in Nicaragua. The whole project was taken "off-line," and financed by drug salesthe subject of Webb's articles. Indignation exploded when the Mercury series hit the streets. Maxine Waters, Congresswoman for South-Central Los Angeles, one of the areas hardest hit by crack and drug-related violence, sent a letter to Central Intelligence Agency chief John Deutsch demanding an investigation of the Agency, in which she said, "As someone who has seen how the crack cocaine trade has devastated the South-Central Los Angeles community, I cannot exaggerate my feelings of dismay that my own government may have played a part in the origins and history of this problem The impact and the implications of the Meneses/Blandon/Roiss Contra CIA crack cocaine connection cannot be understated. We all have an obligation to get to the very bottom of the origin, development, and implementation of this seedy enterprise." While many were shocked at the news of apparent U.S. government drug-pushing, to me it was one more confirmation of a key aspect of the Franklin case. As I had discovered early on (as had Gary Caradori), the sexual abuse of children was only one part of the Franklin story. During the 1980s, many of the children, such as Alisha Owen and-Paul Bonacci, said that they had been used as drug couriers to bring cocaine in from the West Coast for Alan Baer, Larry King, and others. Then, on September 11,1996, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Representative Harold James, chairman of Pennsylvania' s Legislative Black Caucus, and a former undercover narcotics cop himself, also put out a call for an investigation. In the course of that press conference another name popped up, that I knew well from the Franklin investigation: George Bush. Flanked by political leaders of both the city and the state, James declared: "As a retired undercover Philadelphia police officer who worked on narcotics cases, I know we can better impact the flow of drugs if we stop drugs from coming into this country, arrest those at the top levels of control, and punish the white-collar dealers who try to keep their hands clean while they run the entire operation. On this occasion, we must not allow anyone to use the pretext of national security to accomplish another cover-up. We need an investigation that goes right to the top." As to where the "top" might be, James charged, in his release to the press, "previous investigations of the Iran-Contra scandal, particularly the U.S. House and Senate joint hearings in 1987, revealed the central role played by then Vice-President George Bush in covert intelligence operations One of Bush's key lieutenants-was Oliver North. Bush was also appointed by Reagan to run the National Narcotics Border Interdiction System, which supposedly coordinated efforts of all federal, state and local anti-drug agencies, especially along the south Florida coast. Bush was responsible for the White House anti-drug I asked Bill Colby to tell me what he could or would, about this. He said: "Of course the CIA in particular was involved in investigating, learning and, on occasion, using, everything we could learn about mind controland with extremely good reason. Following the Korean War, this country's military and intelligence communities went through a period of absolute paranoia about just how far our enemies were ahead of us in mind control and related activities. "There was no particular program called 'Monarch,' contrary to what you want to think. 'Monarch' was merely a name that some participants in the programwho knew very little about it, other than from their own limited participationwere given to identify themselves. But, as far as the CIA was concerned, there was no such program named 'Monarch.' "But, with respect to mind control, I will tell you that this country spent millions upon millions supposedly
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Tormenting Master Masons for fun and profit]
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We'll see what he says Monday...if he comes back at me with some more Masonic stuff I'll ask him, "Are you a student of the Mysteries?" Really, well those are my initials, you know...MRE, as in MR. E or "Mystery" snip Or is that "MRE" as in "Meals Ready to Eat"...? I wouldn't around advertising the fact that I seemed to be a snack food...people who do that usually wind up being eaten, and rather messily... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Tormenting Master Masons for fun and profit]
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We'll see what he says Monday...if he comes back at me with some more Masonic stuff I'll ask him, "Are you a student of the Mysteries?" Really, well those are my initials, you know...MRE, as in MR. E or "Mystery" snip Or is that "MRE" as in "Meals Ready to Eat"...? I wouldn't go around advertising the fact that I seemed to be a snack food...people who do that usually wind up being eaten, and rather messily... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 'OUT OF AFRICA' GOING OUT THE DOOR?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sciam.com/1999/0899issue/0899infocus.html IS OUT OF AFRICA GOING OUT THE DOOR? Reanalysis of gene studies and new fossil evidence cast doubts on a popular theory of human origins. Anthropologists have long debated the origins of modern humanity, and by the mid-1980s two main competing theories emerged. One, Multiregional evolution, posits that humans arose in Africa some two million years ago, evolved as a single species spread across the Old World and were linked through interbreeding and cultural exchange. The Out of Africa hypothesis http://raven.umnh.utah.edu/review/redo/originofman.html, in contrast, proposes a much more recent African origin for modern humans -- a new species, distinct from Neanderthals and other archaic humans, whom they then replaced. Emphatic support for Out of Africa came in 1987, when molecular biologists declared that all living peoples could trace a piece of their genetic legacy back to a woman dubbed "Eve," who lived in Africa 200,000 years ago. Although that original Eve study was later shown to contain fatal flaws, Out of Africa has continued to enjoy much molecular affirmation, as researchers have increasingly turned to DNA to decipher the history of our species. But a closer look at these genetic studies has led some researchers to question whether the molecular data really do bolster the Out of Africa model. And striking new fossil data from Portugal and Australia appear to fit much more neatly with the theory of Multiregional evolution. The DNA from mitochondria http://cellbio.utmb.edu/cellbio/mitoch1.htm, the cell's energy-producing organelles, has been key Out of Africa evidence. Mitochondria are maternally inherited, so genetic variation arises largely from mutation alone. And because mutations have generally been thought to occur randomly and to accumulate at a constant rate, the date for the common mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) ancestor can theoretically be calculated. This "molecular clock" indicates that the mtDNA ancestor lived a a mere 200,000 years ago, and the root of the gene tree traces to Africa. These results, along with the observation that variation is highest in Africa (indicating that modern humans had been in Africa the longest), seemed to offer unambiguous support to a recent African origin for all modern humans. But the significance of each finding has been questioned. The date is suspect because the molecular clock depends on problematic assumptions, such as the calibration date and mutation rate. And if natural selection has shaped mtDNA, as some studies suggest, then the rate of mutation accumulation may have differed at different times. The African root for the mtDNA gene tree is compatible with Out of Africa, but it does not exclude Multiregionalism, which predicts that the common ancestor lived somewhere in the Old World, probably Africa. And neither does the high mtDNA variation in African populations as compared with non-Africans uniquely support Out of Africa, according to anthropologist John H. Relethford http://www.oneonta.edu/~anthro/relethfo.html of the State University of New York College at Oneonta. "You could get the same result if Africa just had more people living there, which makes sense ecologically," he asserts. Another problem plaguing the genetic analyses, says geneticist Alan R. Templeton http://dbbs.wustl.edu/RIB/Templeton.html of Washington University, lies in a tendency for researchers to draw conclusions based on the particular genetic system under study. "Very few people try to look across all the systems to see the pattern," he observes. Some nuclear genes indicate that archaic Asian populations contributed to the modern human gene pool, and Templeton's own analyses of multiple genetic systems reveal the genetic exchange between populations predicted by Multiregionalism. Still, Relethford and Templeton's arguments haven't convinced everyone. Henry C. Harpending, a population geneticist at the University of Utah, finds Multiregionalism difficult to swallow because several studies put the prehistoric effective population size -- that is, the number of breeding adults -- at around 10,000. "There's no way you can get a species going from Peking to Cape Town that's only got 10,000 members," he remarks. (Other researchers counter that this number, based on genetic diversity, may be much smaller than the census size of the population -- perhaps by several orders of magnitude.) And many geneticists, such as Kenneth K. Kidd http://info.med.yale.edu/bbs/gendev/faculty/kidd.html of Yale University, insist that "the overwhelming majority of the data is incompatible with any ancient continuity." But those who believe that Out of Africa's genetic fortress is crumbling find confirmation in fresh fossil data that pose new difficulties for the theory's bony underpinnings. Last December researchers
[CTRL] Proving the historic Jesus
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/naij3.html Proving the historic Jesus By Harry V. Martin Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 EDITOR'S NOTE: This article does not debate the divinity nor the spiritual aspects of Christianity, but only the historical evidence that Jesus Christ did, in fact, exist. The recent finding of the burial cave of Caiaphas, the high priest, adds even more evidence to the general historical truth of the New Testament. Most Biblical scholars, historians, archeologist and even the clergy are knowledgeable about one fact of Christianity that the Christian worshipper is not, there is limited historical facts to establish finite historical evidence that Jesus Christ existed. The vast majority of what Christians believe today is based purely on the New Testament , a collection of writings and testimony of those who knew Jesus and from those who never saw him. The origin of the New Testament was not the "bible" of the Christians until after 150 A.D. The actual "bible" of the early Christians was the Septuagint, the Greek Old Testament. For more than a century after the death of Christ, the early Christians relied on the Old Testament. The writings in the New Testament were mostly from men of little literary learning, they were from long-time memories, and some were from hearsay. Biblical scholars have often pointed to glaring errors in the New Testament, conflicts in the testimonies between those who knew Jesus. Many "books" or testimonies were omitted from the New Testament. The writers of these Testaments were less concerned with the historical accuracies of their words and more concerned with the spiritual meanings of Christ's teachings. The most fascinating time in Christianity began after the death of Christ through to the conclusion of Emperor Constantine's Christian conclave, the true shaping of Christianity as we know it today, this epic period merged the diverse views of the Apologists to the Gnostics. Jesus Christ and his Disciples were not part of the long series of debates that established Christian dogma. The Early Christian Fathers, published by The Westminster Press, states, "The most striking facts about early Christian literature are its rich variety and its almost exclusively Gentile authorship. Outside the New Testament writings, little belongs to the first century, the only considerable document being Clement's Letter to the Church of Corinth." No Jewish Christian literature appears to have survived the ages. Few Jewish Christians from the Palestinian Church survived after the fifth century, though their teachings and work can be found in the religion of Islam. The Gentiles, and not the Jewish Christians who lived and worshipped in the land of Jesus, dominated the Christian religion, and changed much of its original concepts. EARLY CHRISTIAN SCHISM The main battlelines in the second century focused around the "Orthodox" Christians and the Gnostics. After Constintine's conclave, the Gnostics vanished into history, some of their work survived and was unearthed in 1945 near Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt. The discovered writings are known as the Nag Hammadi library, the Gnostic manuscripts virtually begin where the Dead Sea Scrolls end. These writings provide insights into early Judaism and the roots of Christianity. The Gnostics challenged the New Testament and rejected the Old Testament. They viewed the Jewish and Christian revelations as antithetical, noting the contrast of the good God revealed by Jesus Christ with the Old Testament God of retaliation and vengeance. The Gnostics, in essence, were responsible for doing away with the Old Testament as the sacred book of Christians, and in its place supplied a cannon called The Gospel and the Apostile. There was no unity in determining which books should be contained in the New Testament until the fourth century. The Early Christian Fathers states, that Christian doctrine was established to embrace the Gentile concepts. "To interpret it to the Gentile mind, its affinities were the best in pagan religious thought were utilized. To maintain it against persecution, the martyr was willing to suffer. Finally, to ensure the perpetuity of the faith, the Church built up a close knit organization that was as uncompromising toward heresy and schism as it was toward the demands of the State." In The Verdict of History by Gary R. Habermas, this concept is carried further. "The charge is often made that Jesus' message was actually quite different from the one which Christians have traditionally taught concerning him. This sometimes is said to be the case, for instance, because the Gospels represent the teachings of the early church and not those of Jesus himself." Hugh Schonfield, a noted religious scholar, explains why the changes may have taken place. He states that Jesus was a teacher who was
[CTRL] State Defense Forces - authorized militia
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon3.html State Defense Forces - authorized militia By Harry V. Martin and David Caul Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 Few Americans are aware of the existance of State Defense Forces. No, they are not units of the National Guard, nor are they reservists. State Defense Forces are a non-paid militia whose primary function is to suppress internal dissent. This type of dissent ranges from distrubances similar to the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King verdict to ending demonstrations like the People's Park protest in Berkeley. Traditionally, state governments relied on the National Guard in cases of civil unrest. One third of the cost of the Naitonal Guard was paid for by the state, now, with the federalization of the National Guard, only 5 percent of the cost to run the units is charged to the state. In 1956, Federal Law 32 U.S.C., Section 109, was passed by Congress. The law authorized, but did not mandate, each state to establish and maintain a State Defense Force to replace the National Guard. The entire cost of the State Defense Force would be paid for by the individual state. The Federal law prohibited the use of any federal funds to pay State Defense Force volunteers, or their allowances, subsistence, transportation or medical care. Twenty-one states now have State Defense Forces, while almost every other state is considering their creation. States with State Defense Forces include Alabama, Alaska, California, Indiana, Louisiana, George, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and Washington. Militias existed in all the states prior to the Civil War, but after that epic event, militias began to vanish. The state militia was last used during World War II. The rise of the Naitonal Guard provided a two-fold protection, one for the state in times of emergency, and the second, for the nation in times of war. REPLACING THE FEDERALIZED NATIONAL GUARD With the federalization of the National Guard, more and more states began to turn to the creation of the State Defense Force concept. After the Vietnam War, Congress implemented a Total Force Policy which essentially integrated the National Guard into a national defesne force. The Department of the Army now provides the main source of National Guard training, support and control. The Army relies on the National Guard for a third of its combat divisions, more than half of its infantry battalions, armored cavalry regiments and field artillery battalions, and nearly half of its armored and mechanized infantry battalions and aviation units. The establishment of the State Defense Forces allows the units to "be used within the jurisdiction concerned, as its chief exectuive (governor) considers necessary, but may not be called, or drafted in the the Armed Forces of the United States". Virtually ever American knows about the National Guard, but few know about the State Defense Forces. Critics of the State Defense Forces complain that "ultra right wing survialists" are the main volunteers for the State Defense Forces. A law suit filed by the Christic Institute charges that the State Defense Forces are drawn from "weekend Survivalists Training Centers" or ultra right "war game" schools. Members of the State Defense Forces buy their own uniforms, own their own weapons. They do not receive pay. California has two requirements for its State Military Reserve units, that an applicant must be under the age of 65 and must submit to a fingerprint card. No physicial examination is required. Members of the California unit are required to attend one 8-hour drill each month, and a three-day training session each year. In addtion, each member is expected to perform an additional 100 volunteer hours each year in some unspeicified manner. California supplies one baisc uniform free of charge. Members may resign at any time. Veterans are often given the highest rank they achieved in active or military reserve status, and promitions come easily. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
[CTRL] ROOTS OF SUBVERSION
-Caveat Lector- http://www.execpc.com/~jfish/na/093096n1.txt ROOTS OF SUBVERSION By William H. McIlhany The New American, September 30, 1996 'Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism,' by Abbe Augustin Barruel, Fraser, Michigan: Real-View-Books, American Council on Economics and Society, 1995, 846 pages, single-volume reprint of a four-volume English translation published in 1798 by T. Burton, London, $29.95. Available from American Opinion Book Services, P.O. Box 8040, Appleton, WI 54913. Add $4.00 for shipping and handling. The years 1796 to 1798 saw the publication of two important presentations of evidence concerning an international conspiracy, then only decades old, which had devastated France and was threatening the entire civilized world. That conspiracy had coalesced into a continuing organizational structure with the founding of the Order of the Illuminati by Adam Weishaupt on May 1, 1776 in Ingolstadt, Bavaria. The conspirators in the Order came from the top levels of society, and their ultimate goal was the destruction of all existing religious and political institutions, all forms of traditional religious faith, and all governments. They were committed to a campaign of worldwide revolution to destroy the existing order. They hoped that the continuing organizational structure they established would eventually succeed in imposing on the world a "solution" to the chaos they had caused: a totalitarian world government -- a "new world order." Evil Exposed In 1785 the Elector of Bavaria, Carl Theodore, discovered the secret papers of the Illuminati, which revealed the evil plan. He published and distributed the papers to all endangered heads of state. The two important studies published from 1796-98 were substantially based on this primary source documentation. One of those works, 'Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe,' published in Dublin, Ireland in 1797, was written by John Robison, a prominent scientist and professor at the University of Edinburgh. His work, which was originally circulated in Great Britain and the new American Republic, was reprinted in 1967 by Western Islands, the publishing arm of the John Birch Society, under the shortened title 'Proofs of a Conspiracy.' It is still available in paperback (contact American Opinion Book Services at the above address). The second work, much lengthier and more detailed, is Abbé Barruel's 'Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism,' the subject of this review. Born in France in 1741, Abbé Barruel was educated by the Jesuits and entered the Society of Jesus. During suppression of the Jesuits in France, he resided for some years in Moravia and Bohemia and traveled in Italy as a tutor for a young nobleman. In addition to Memoirs, he wrote several other books prior to his death in 1820, including his 'History of the Clergy During the French Revolution.' Originally in separate volumes, Memoirs consists of four parts. The first two volumes, originally published in French in 1796, concern the anti-Christian and anti-monarchical conspiracy of 1796 and expose certain French and European philosophers of the early to mid-18th century, particularly members of the French Academy in Paris. To illustrate the vicious philosophical campaign against Christianity, Barruel focuses on the works of Voltaire. As for the anti-monarchical campaign, he examines the works of Montesquieu and Rousseau. Modern-day advocates of a limited constitutional republic who may wonder what is wrong with opposition to monarchy should keep in mind that the conspiracy which Barruel traced -- from philosophers whom he called the "sophisters of impiety" to the Illuminati -- targeted all religious and political institutions and forms of government, including the infant American Republic, and sought as the ultimate goal an international totalitarianism. Rise of the Order One of the principal weapons used by the sophisters of impiety, particularly Diderot, was the publication of the Encyclopédie beginning in 1751, and its eventual Supplement. The conspirators hoped that this work would become the standard reference for all learned and literate persons on virtually all subject matter. Barruel demonstrates at length that it was used as a comprehensive, subtle carrier of propaganda and indoctrination favorable to subversive strategy. The third part of Memoirs concerns the Illuminati. Therein Barruel presents in greater detail than Robison's 'Proofs of a Conspiracy' the primary source documents captured from the Order. The rapidly growing influence of the Order in, and outside of, Bavaria is carefully traced both before and after the French Revolution. Barruel recounts the European freemasonic conference at Wilhelmsbad in the summer of 1782, at which Weishaupt's representatives recruited the leadership of French, German, and other
[CTRL] The Giants of Yosemite Valley
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/giants.htm - SIGHTINGS - The Giants of Yosemite Valley By Bobbie Short [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-16-99 The year, 1885. In California's great Yosemite Valley under the misty expanse near Bridal-Veil Falls, a party of silver and wannabee gold miners discovered what was to become the mystery of the decade. While having lunch, Mr. G. F. Martindale who was in charge of a party of miners, noticed a pile of stones that was placed against the wall of a cliff. Seasoned miners, they were familiar with the natural formation of rock, this particular grouping struck Mr. Martindale as being unusual and seemed not to have been placed naturally. Realizing that if something in the wild is not placed naturally, he could only conclude human hands placed it there. The miners set about removing the pile of stones. Behind the pile of stones they found a wall of rock that had been shaped and joined together with knowledgeable masonry. The joints between the rocks were all of uniform 1/8 of an inch in thickness and according to the reports from the men who were there, it was a beautiful job of stone work. "As pretty as any wall on any building that I have ever seen" is the way one miner described it. Thinking that they had perhaps stumbled upon some lost treasure, the party of miners proceeded without delay and issuing great haste began tearing down the wall to get to the incredible riches that surely must lie within. Disappointment fell a heavy weight upon their heads as, in the end, they found the vault empty save a very large mummified corpse that lay on the ledge, which was carved from the natural stone for the express purpose of burial. Lighting their carbide headlamps they set about examining the vault to see if perhaps they had overlooked something perhaps a map or some other clue to where the inevitable treasure might be hidden. Treasure of course being far more interesting than the fossil bones of a giant mummy. What they found was another vault that had been carved from natural rock - 9 feet 3 inches high, 18 feet 6 inches deep and 8 feet 4 inches wide - containing a tall mummified corpse that was 6 feet 8 inches tall. The corpse was wrapped in what appeared to be animal skins and covered with a layer of fine gray power. The miners removed parts of the animal skins to view the corpse and found it to be that of a woman holding a child to her breast. The mummy was then taken to Los Angeles where it was placed before men, considered to be of great science in those days, most of whom agreed that is was a "relic" from a race that must have inhabited this country long before the American Indian. Tall people, they claimed, from a race which preceded the coastal natives? All agreed that the height of 6 feet 8 inches tall in death must have represented an actual height in life of about seven or more feet. If their height relationship between men and women was approximately what it is today, then they concluded the males of the species could possibly have been some eight feet tall. The most popular theory of the day was that the lady was a relic of some royal family of a lost Stone Age tribe of giants. Interestingly enough, Captains Cooke and Magellan both wrote in their ship's logs of a race of giants that inhabited what we now know as the Pacific coast of South America. Cook was even supposed to have captured one of the giants reported to be nine feet tall. Unfortunately, the giant escaped by breaking the ropes that bound him to the mast and jumped off the ship, overboard into the sea. In an additional excerpt, Capt. Cooke wrote in his log that he was himself was 6 feet 3 inches tall, (which was very tall for those days when the average was about 5 feet 4 inches tall and under) and he could easily stand under the arm of the giant. Cooke's report started a furor that was to last another 100 years and cause many to seek these giant people. In the next century, many reports were filed stating that various of our major explorers had sighted the giants of what was then called Patagonia - but none had contact or for that matter even attempted to capture one of the giant men. Then suddenly, around the year 1650, the reports of sighting giants stopped abruptly. Perhaps the giants moved inland, perhaps because they moved far away. They couldn't have just vanished. They could have simply become unpopular attractions and thus slipped gradually into oblivion. The fact remains that once up a time, they were there. The Yosemite Valley, where the mummy was found has always been considered to be a place of great mystery by the Indians who lived there, the Ahwahneechees.
[CTRL] PACIFICA is a CIA op -Skolnick
-Caveat Lector- http://www.sightings.com/politics4/fronts.htm - SIGHTINGS - A Short History Of Reported CIA Fronts By Sherman Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-17-99 I used to teach a course on how to investigate and research Foundation Tax Returns, originally called IRS form 990-A, and then form 990-AR, the only tax return, by the way, that is available as a public document. Donors Forum, with office/libraries in many big cities, have on hand for copying, copies of Foundation Tax Returns in that district of the office, sometimes other districts, of their public tax returns as a tax-exempt entity. In a scandal that was started by Bobby Kennedy in the Spring, of 1967, various foundations around the U.S. were identified as part of a complicated three-level device for disguising CIA funding of domestic operations: [1] conduits [2] pass-throughs and [3] fronts [a technical term]. A summary of the scandal can be seen in the numerous pages of the New York Times "Index" for 1967, a summary of stories in that newspaper, under the heading, Central Intelligence Agency. Before they could accomplish a cover up, I and my associates quickly looked up the 990-A tax returns of the CIA foundations on the three technical levels mentioned. We developed expertise in showing over and above the mass media published reports, where the money came from and was distributed. Among our disclosures, which did not endear us to fellow peaceniks who heckled me as a trouble-maker: 1. Most liberal groups with an office and some funds for a regular staff, got their funding through the three levels, from CIA, including the American Civil Liberties Union, which went out of business in 1967 and was completely taken over by espionage groups, since then called the Roger Baldwin Foundation of ACLU, and such. If you carefully examine the board of overseers of what amateurs continue wrongly call the "American Civil Liberties Union", you will see the espionage types that run the operations throughout the U.S. They are an early-warning system, for example, of flare-ups against the government in the ghettos of big cities. 2. The Nation Magazine, which according to some, does some good, fails and neglects to mention DOMESTIC operations of CIA. A simple answer: their funding comes from, among others, a CIA-front, called the J.M. Kaplan Fund of New York, and a group of CIA foundations grouped under the umbrella of the CIA-funded Roger Baldwin Foundation of ACLU and similar names. Moreover, the Nation Magazine published commentaries making vile statements against Oliver Stone, that JFK was, in fact, the Nation says, killed by a lone assassin and that the movie "JFK" is a phantasy and a "fraud". Thus whitewashing the Dallas murder for what some claim was a CIA-instigated plot against JFK. 3. The Nation Magazine did finally admit several years ago that what they erroneously persist in calling the "AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION" [which actually was taken over by the CIA-foundations in 1967] was very close to FBI dictator/boss J. Edgar Hoover by way of investigating and combatting so-called "Reds" in America. This next item is surely going to outrage some who are naive and poorly informed. 4. Pacifica Radio, which like the Nation Magazine, has done SOME good, has been reportedly a CIA-Foundation operation, New York, Houston, and the Bay area, California. During the anti-war period, some rednecks, believing that Pacifica-Houston, was a genuine "liberal" group, purportedly bombed the station there. A simple, though certainly not complete answer, is that the stations were used as provocateur operations, to lure out more independent-minded political activists who are and were naive. For example, however, Pacifica, Berkeley, went almost into orbit when Dennis Bernstein of that station, without realizing I am an independent, was unable to stop me from blurting out condemnation of the oil industry and George Bush. Some of his confidants informed me he almost got run over by the station management for letting a "loud mouth" like me on the air. By the way, I call National Public Radio, NPR, as NATIONAL PETROLEUM RADIO, since they try to keep oil scandals OFF the air. A simple, though certainly not complete answer: for some years Sharon Percy ROCKEFELLER, WIFE OF U.S. Senator John D. Rockefeller 4th, headed NPR. [She now heads a PBS operation in D.C. instrumental in the Jim Lehrer News Hour on so-called Public TV.] No one in NPR, PBS, or for that matter, in the commercial oil-soaked mass media, would dare mention that the family of Sharon Percy Rockefeller is reportedly in business with the CIA-created purported
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Part 1, COLUMBINE Other Govt Massacres]
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The story of how and why
American intelligence rescued and promoted, instead of destroying, Hitler's
Gehlen-led spy network, is one that has been largely ignored by the
complicitous mass media for the past half-century. Little wonder that the
mass media chooses to withhold this profoundly crucial story from the
people,
considering that the CIA has maintained supervision and direction of
mainstream newspapers, magazines and television networks for decades.
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ODESSA is an acronym for veterans of the Nazi military apparatus. ...
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First, the Allied appropriation of the Gehlen-Apparat has been well-known for
many years. Immediately following the end of the war, Allied Intelligence (OSS
and MI6) absorbed Gehlen's network in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union
intact, getting a head start on the Cold War. The Gehlen organization
subsequently formed the basis of what became the Bundesnachrichtendienst
(BND), the West German Federal Intelligence Service.
Second, ODESSA (Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen, "Organization of
Former SS Members") was a relatively minor element in the so-called "Fourth
Reich." It was elevated in the public mind by Frederick Forsyth's novel *The
Odessa File*, which, while a good read that was made into a chilling movie,
drastically overstated the role of ODESSA in "rescuing" Nazis. The group known
as Die Spinne ("the Spider") was much more effective in evacuating such big
names as Eichmann and Mengele, and had the direct, active support and
participation of high-ranking Vatican officials such as Bishop Alois Hudal,
who supplied "refugee" and even Vatican diplomatic passports for fugitive war
criminals.
I'm not denying that Nazi assets were taken over by U.S. and British
intelligence. Obviously they were. Operation Paperclip is only the tip of the
iceberg...for example, when the U.S. Army's Special Forces were first created
in the early 1950's, their members were drawn largely from the ranks of former
Waffen-SS and anti-Soviet partisans, including the viciously Fascist UPA
(Ukrainian Partisan Army). The UPA was the direct descendant of local
Ukrainian formations created to cooperate with occupying German forces,
particularly the infamous SS-Sonderkommando ("special detachments"), which
were responsible for rounding up and exterminating local Jewish populations.
Large numbers of Ukrainian (not to mention Baltic) collaborators joined the
Waffen-SS late in the war when "national" formations were created to
supplement the depleted Wehrmacht. When they were subsequently recruited for
the Special Forces, no attempt was made to winnow out war criminals; indeed,
the intent of the U.S. Army commanders appears to have been to use those same
individuals against the new enemy in precisely the same way...
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Re: [CTRL] USDA: Rudely Defending Biotech Foods
-Caveat Lector- "But the FDA is being sued for allowing biotech foods on the market without adequate review. And the man who approved the foods at the FDA came to the FDA from a law firm where he represented Monsanto, and after his stint at the FDA, he went to work directly for Monsanto's Washington office, where he sits today." No conflict of interest here Hilary -- From: Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] FW: USDA: Rudely Defending Biotech Foods Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:20 AM -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert Weissman Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list CORP-FOCUS Subject: USDA: Rudely Defending Biotech Foods DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990720b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Hey, SkeptiChat subscribers: let's see some responses, some discussion!! : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : A few frogs were slowly boiled during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Defcon live! Dildog, a member of the hacker group Cult of the Dead Cow, is lounging in his hotel suite, a smile smeared on his face. The unveiling of his latest software upgrade for Back Orifice-a not-so-subtle dig at Micro- soft's Back Office-was a success, a raucous party that had more in common with a heavy metal concert than a software release. A gaggle of groupies, most of them in their twenties and dressed in noir black, with tattoos, piercings and scraggly hair, wait for him. They sit cross-legged on the carpet, availing themselves to a well-stocked minibar piled high with bottles of vodka, bourbon, whiskey. Cult of the Dead kicked off the conference with a laser-light show, culminating in a deafening electronic moo sound. http://www.forbes.com/tool/html/99/jul/0716/feat2.htm : Are you a scene whore? Do you make loud moo sounds? Are you noir? Are ETs invisible in this crowd? Are your friends/enemies/children/parents/pets in this crowd? Do you hack? What's your latest virus/worm/trojan? Do you crack? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Y2K 'REPAIRS' COULD OPEN DOOR FOR BILLION-DOLLAR THEFTS. Don't be surpri- sed if crackers make off with at least one electronic heist in the US$1 billion range by taking advantage of the year 2000 problem. Contractors and programmers hired by companies to make Y2K fixes may have left "trap- doors" to move money between accounts. System crashes could lead to theft: see http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9907/19/theft.y2k.idg/index.html # And: FCC study says Net prospers without regulation, should keep hands-off policies: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560360324-0e3 : Would you rather be regulated, repaired, raped? Should hackers/crackers/ consultants be regulated?Is effective regulation/security possible? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CALIFORNIA BROTHERS CHARGED IN GAY SLAYINGS. Two brothers with ties to a white supremacist group have been charged with the shooting deaths of a gay couple. Benjamin Matthew Williams, 31, and James Tyler Williams, 29, who also are suspects in June arson fires at three Sacramento synagogues that caused $1 million in damage may face the death penalty if convicted. Held without bail: http://cnn.com/US/9907/20/PM-GaysSlain-Arson.ap/ : Does your belief system promote violence against those with other beliefs/ sexuality/ethnicity? Would you mind being zapped for your beliefs/sexuality/ ethnicity? Is your faith/sexual/ethnic group supreme? Do Reptilioids agree? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Space capsule Liberty Bell 7 retrieved from Atlantic. CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. After 38 years on the Atlantic Ocean floor, Gus Grissom's space capsule was brought to the surface Tuesday. The capsule Liberty Bell 7, which had lain in water 3 miles deep since 1961, was brought to the surface around 2:15 a.m. Coincidentally, the underwater salvage team's success came on the 30th anniversary of man's first walk on the moon. Screwed the pooch: http://nandotimes.com/nation/story/0,1038,72220-114196-810618-0,00.html : Do you want to own a soggy space capsule? Would it make a good party room? How much would you pay? Is this the real capsule, or was it planted by ETs, CIA/KGB, NASA,, IBM MicroSoft? Does Bill Gates have the original? Where?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # UN outer space confab opens. VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Secretary-General Kofi Annan urged the peaceful use of outer space as the UN opened a conference [UniSpace III] on space technology exploration. "Above all we must guard against the misuse of outer space and ensure that the fruits of technical progress are made available to all people in all nations." Yeah, sure - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560359938-0b3 : Who determines whether space is well- or badly-used? Will humans use space better than Reticulans, Reptilioids, Klingons? Who will rule the universe?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ Insurgents on the Net: A look at hacking: http://cnn.com/hackers # China Sees National Security Threat in Pentium III and Win98 - gov't P3's forbidden Net access: http://jya.com/cn-p3-peril.htm # SHUTTLE MISSION ABORTED SECONDS BEFORE LAUNCH - anti-abortion groups outraged: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9907/20/shuttle.03/ # Two exposed to radiation at Chernobyl during safety checks: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560354584-425 # FDA Should Ban Cancer-Linked Bread Ingredient, Says Consumer Group: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990720/00/science-health-bread # Firm fined $8 mln for diet pill claims -
Re: [CTRL] Mormon information
-Caveat Lector- Add in a case in Utah that I heard of about June or July of last year. Seems that the Home School Legal Defense Fund could be in this too. The Psychologist in the case was Dr. Peter Breggin and he has a web site that seems to be clean. I wonder what the transcript said? There was a article about the Home School Legal Defense Fund at this site http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html Now the site is down. Are the citations disappearing? If the Home School Legal Defense Fund can not take criticism - then why? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Here we go again....GMO?
-Caveat Lector- This is interesting..."CLEARFIELD RICE" If they get this into RICE seed, then what will happen? As I take it, this is spearheaded by American Cyanamid. Here is the memo I was sent: I am in the Farming/Seed Industry. ** What is a GMO and a non-GMO ? GMO = Genetically Modified Organism * The herbicide tolerance trait in Cyanamid's Clearfield* rice crop is derived from a naturally occurring resistant line developed, identified, and patented at the LSU Ag Center by Dr, Tim Croughan using traditional and enhanced breeding techniques. Because they contain NO foreign genetic material ( DNA ) they are considered NON-GMO... So Clearfield rice is a Non GMO...This was discovered in 1993 by Tim Croughan at LSU . He found a single rice plant in a haystack of millions that showed after application of IMI the plant could break down the active ingredient * Any plant derived from a process whereby foreign DNA is inserted into the genome of the plant is considered a genetically modified organism or GMO... What production changes will we see with this new technology that will give the farmer more flexibility from the start of the growing season... 1. Mudding it in may go the way of the dinosaurs. Discontinuing the practice of trying to bury red rice seed in flooded fields has a lot of benefits. When the farmer puts his equipment into the field and works in the water, that's the worse thing you can do with a tractor due to reducing the life of everything on the tractor.. 2. When chemical control of red rice arrives, growers will be able to choose water seeding or dry seeding and put more money on the bottom line.. In Southwest Louisiana, Water seeding costs 5% more and yields are reduced by 5% ; farmers use roughly 100 lbs of seed with drill seeding and 150 lbs of seed with water seeding. 3. Flexibility in application of herbicides with Clearfield rice is another plus. Right now we have a narrow window when most of our herbicides are applied. For example, Propanil must be applied when the weeds are very small and re-flooded within a 3-5 day period to maintain grass control...On Clearfield rice, growers will make a Premerge or Preplant soil application and the residual control will give the producer a month or more to apply the sequential treatment of Clearfield* herbicide (with or without a tank-mix partner depending on weed spectrum). The application of a pre-plant incorporated or pre-emerge followed by a pre-flood application ( 4 to 5 leaf rice) is likely to give the best weed control. So far in the research we have seen, you will get 85% control of red rice and most weeds and grasses with just the preplant or premerge application and then the preflood application will finalize your weed control plus reduce the possibility of cross pollination of red rice. The weak areas in weed control have been sedges, coffeebean, and joint vetch but different tank mixes have been giving us good control. In 1999, an extensive research program is being conducted by State Universities and Cyanamid's researchers on the herbicide rate, application timing, climatic influences, soil type influences, and the weed control spectrum. 4. This flexibility will give you better use of your irrigation investments - With Propanil, you need to flood up within 3 days, whereas with Clearfield, you've got the next few weeks. So a well that formerly could have flooded up 200 acres in 3 days can now flood 600 acres in 9 days and not have red rice or grassYou can hold off pumping water and allow rainfall to supply part of your irrigation needs. If growers could cut well use by 1/3, they could save $ 15 to $ 20 per acre... 5. Herbicide resistant rice technologies could potentially reduce insecticide treatments for rice water weevil. Delaying flood and relying on chemical weed control could keep rice water weevil larvae from damaging seedling roots. If you delay flood for 2 or 3 weeks, you can get the same effect as if you applied a treatment of Furadan. 6. Control of red rice could change crop rotation and expand rice acreage. It could enable farmers with certain soil types to have greater flexibility. We have about 3 million acres of rice in the U.S. but we have 6 million acres of land that is suitable for rice. At least ½ of that 6 million acres is in soybeans or another crop each year...Instead of rotating to another crop, rice growers could rotate to another type of herbicide resistant rice - they could rotate between Clearfield rice, Liberty Link rice, and Roundup Ready rice. QUESTIONS and ANSWERS ABOUT CLEARFIELD* RICE How will Cyanamid manage the distribution of CLEARFIELD* Rice ? Cyanamid is working closely with public university rice seed breeding programs for the development of IMIDAZOLINONE TOLERANT "CLEARFIELD*" RICE . However,
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: Air Launched Gerbil Halts Cruise Missile Shortage]
-Caveat Lector- Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hello, Group, Wel, this relates back to a long, long thread of discussions concerning what I cannot remember. I think my contribution to the discussion was that I thought it was impossible because of the rodent's teeth, etc. Perhaps I was mistaken. Amelia PS I know I should not post this and open up this old subject, already eshausted, but I cannot help myself. Actual article from the LA Times: "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomazewski told bemused doctors in the Severe Burn Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. nonsense snipped FYI: This is from the Urban Legends website, http://www.urbanlegends.com/animals/gerbilling/gerbilling_debunking.html: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian A. York) Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,alt.folklore.urban Subject: Re: Gerbils and water sports Date: 28 May 1996 20:46:03 -0400 In article 4ofacc$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven S. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall there ever being any evidence, eyewitness, phyical, documentary, or circumstantial, offered in support of that rumor. As you say, there was no support offered for that. Since this is being crossposted to several groups (followups are hereby redirected to alt.folklore.urban), here's a summary of this legend to date. Cecil Adams, in his Straight Dope column (collected into several books) at first thought the rumour might be true, but says that all attempts to track down a real case have been unsuccessful and says that he now is confident that it's merely a legend. Jan Harold Brunvand discusses it as an urban legend (and agrees that it's false) in his book on urban legends, The Mexican Pet. The guy who writes "News of the Weird" published a list of objects found up the down staircase which included a rodent. On being asked by Cecil for a source, he hastily retracted the gerbil (ummm, you know what I mean); he had mistaken his original query for such a cite as being a cite. Or something like that; the correspondence is in one of Cecil's books. There's been nothing relevant published in the medical literature, according to Medline. A 1993 search is mentioned in the AFU FAQ (http://www.urbanlegends.com/) and I've repeated it since then with no positives. Requests on various medical newsgroups have turned up no eyewitness, and requests for gossip among my doctor buddies have only raised their eyebrows. Good old anonymous nobody is the first to make the claim. (Incidentally, in contrast to his suggestion that MDs are bashful about descriptions and prefer to simply use "rectal foreign object," the literature is simply crammed full of rectal objects, described in loving detail.) Checking with a MD who claimed to have seen an x-ray revealed that he had not seen the patient, and had no evidence that the x-ray was not faked. It was passed to him by an x-ray technician, who had had it passed to him by another x-ray tech from another hospital, and so forth. Combining two x-rays (e.g. one shot of a colon, one of a rodent) is quite simple, according to photographers who discussed this at the time. An MD claimed to have seen an x-ray of a rectal rodent while a medical student (the MD, not the rodent). I wrote to the professor he remembered as showing the x-ray, who replied that he had shown x-rays of a rectal tumbler and of a snake digesting a rodent, and presumed that the student had conflated the two in memory. As Harry says, after a while the lack of positive evidence becomes pretty strong negative evidence in itself. At this point, it's going to take more than a forged post from an anonymous poster to change my mind. Ian "squeak" York = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That
[CTRL] WHY IS AMERICA BEING DISARMED?
-Caveat Lector- WHY IS AMERICA BEING DISARMED? by Adam Monson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Independent Americans (http://www.independentamericans.org) â¦THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! Since the beginning of time tyrannical governments have always kept the subjects of their tyranny disarmed, for they feared that their âslavesâ might rise up against their masters. The Founding Fathers, until they came to this land and established it as a free nation, lived, for years, under such tyrants. They were persecuted and imprisoned and driven from one nation to another, by the tyrants that ruled those nations. It is for this reason that the Founding Fathers fled the tyranny of the Old World to establish Godâs Altar and the righteousness of His government in the New World. It was because of the persecutions they suffered, at the hands of the tyrants who ruled those nations, that compelled them to permanently engrave in the laws of this land, our Right as citizens to Keep and Bear Arms for our defense against ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. Today in America a major offensive is being waged to wrestle from us this most imperative and crucial right, The right to defend ourselves and our families and our Nation. OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. It must here be stated that only TYRANTS AND CRIMINALS fear weapons of defense in the hands of the people. So we must ask ourselves, ... âWHY WOULD OUR GOVERNMENT WANT THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION DISARMED?â Early in this century one of the wealthiest men living in America gave us the answer to this question, wherein he stated âI donât seek political office, it doesnât matter to me who holds any political office AS LONG AS I CAN CONTROL THE MONEYâ. It was this billionaire, along with a dozen other of his cohorts, through bribery and promises of political financial support, contrived and established the Federal Reserve Banking Conglomerate. It was through the illegal Federal Reserve Act of 1913, that Congress unconstitutionally relinquished their responsibility to control this nationâs currency to this PRIVATELY OWNED BANKING SYSTEM. This group of the wealthiest men on earth then stole our gold and silver (Real Money), by stock market manipulation. They then replaced that real money with phony Federal Reserve Notes and worthless sandwich coins and attached to those worthless notes, INTEREST THROUGH USURY, which has been continuously compounding into the trillions of dollars that is being presently foisted upon the citizens of this country as our âNATIONAL DEBTâ. It is wholesale plunder of the Public moneys. IT IS THE GREATEST SATANIC FISCAL RIP-OFF IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND! It is through this compound interest process that these same criminal international bankers have indebted our sister nations, i.e. Argentina, Brazil and numerous other third world countries, with similar insurmountable, constantly compounding interest debts. When such illegal interest payments can not be met, the satanic international bankers demand that the indentured nations surrender all of their natural resources, âREAL WEALTHâ, to their ownership. This supposedly is to cover, only temporarily, the ever growing interest burden. This is how most of the world has been conquered, by financial bondage. It is for natural resources that the enemies of freedom have used wars of attrition to acquire control over natural resources, the wealth of the world. Kosovo (Coal), Vietnam (Rubber), Rhodesia (Diamonds and Gold) The Middle East Oil ⦠etc, etc. Our Founding Fathers made a special warning of the dangers of private ownership of our nations currency, wherein Jefferson said, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conqueredâ. The scriptures further warn us of the abomination of usury, for the Lord has stated, Exodus 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury. Deuteronomy 23:19 Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent. When the people of America wake up and realize that they are now in financial bondage and that they have been ROBBED, DECEIVED AND BETRAYED by the very officials whom they elected and put in positions of trust, THEY WILL RISE UP and remove them from their position of honor and exile them from this nation forever. IT IS FOR THIS CAUSE, (REMOVING TYRANTS AND TRAITORS FROM OFFICE), IN ADDITION TO OUR NATIONâS DEFENSE, THAT WE MUST RETAIN OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND
[CTRL] GM Food and Sactions 19 July 99 2-2
-Caveat Lector- I could care less about our trade with other countries, I only have some articles that reference that, to highlight what is actually happening right here at home - in America. What would happen if a state were to get the jump on Organic Farming (which takes Three Years to certify for) and then Organic Farming takes off to the exclusion of other types of farming. Where will this leave the small American farmer? Can we look at what has happened and keep it from happening to us and our families - or will we be poisoned financially and our children physically. Sunday, July 4, 1999 Published at 19:35 GMT 20:35 UK World: Europe Violence erupts at Belgian farmers demo http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid%5F385000/385622.stm Dioxin Homepage http://www.enviroweb.org/enviroissues/dioxin/index.html -Why these are here --- Small farmers are trying to compete with these large farms, which are large enough to also own a "cousin" organic farm, in competing small farmers are using a lot of chemicals. What could the future hold for the small American family farmer if they keep using the amount of chemicals that they use and then food starts being tested for the level of dioxins that it contains? Wednesday, June 2, 1999 Published at 16:31 GMT 17:31 UK Sci/Tech 'Faster, cheaper' dioxin tests needed http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_359000/359059.stm The next set of links are on the following page. http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/bacteria.htm#Pollution - and - Misc. Chemicals Pollution -and-- Misc. Chemicals Top Leavenworth, Stuart. "Coastal playground turned killing ground." The News and Observer. Hog Lagoons "Other coastal regions - from Hong Kong to Venice to the Chesapake Bay - Have suffered from similar problems. Maryland and Virginia are spending millions on a campaign to clean up the Chesapeake, and in Florida, state and federal regulators are trying to control fertilizer runoff into the Everglades National Park." "But Paerl, the UNC marine scientist, noted that overfertilized waters can breed many kinds of toxic algae and bacteria." http://www.news-observer.com/nao/neuse/neuse3main.html Greenwald, John. "Hogging The Table." Time Magazine. 18 March 1996. 02 March 1999. "rain-swollen lagoon spilled 22 million gal. of hog feces and urine over the countryside." http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/archive/1996/dom/960318/agriculture.html I know that California has had problems too. That pollution has gone into the Rio Grande. That the Valley region in Texas has had children born without Brains, I do not have that article and do not know how much of a connection was made to chemicals. Then * California's agricultural problems seem to have come from some Corporate dairy farms. Does anyone know where I can get a list of American news paper links? Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Good News - Quinn is Back
-Caveat Lector- Dear Friends: To those who used to listen to Quinn in the morning from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania on the Web, the archives are back so you can listen to the show. I almost gave up on them but now they are back. Welcome Back Quinn and Rose! Keep up with the good work! God Bless Bill PS Here is address and link: http://www.warroom.com/ A HREF="http://www.warroom.com/"The War Room - The most dangerous site on the web. /A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NATIONAL PARKS OFF-LIMITS:
-Caveat Lector- STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW SAFAN NO. 1286. JULY 16, 1999 NATIONAL PARKS OFF-LIMITS: U.N.-DESIGNATED PANEL CALLS FOR INCREASED "BUFFER ZONES" by Jon E. Dougherty, World Net Daily (http://www.worldnetdaily.com) July 15, 1999 [YES, FELLOW TENNESSEANS - this includes our beautiful "former" Great Smoky Mountains National Park whom the "officials" have repeatedly told many that the U.N. has nothing at all to do with the "Biospheres".Ha!!! How about telling these home-grown hillbillies in these hills that the use of their "buffer zones" is limited. Whenever they get ready to tell these people they have to MOVE - I want to watch!!! Should be interesting...indeed They haven't gotten over Rockefeller coming in and buying the land from their ancestors - to "set aside" the National Park in the first place. AND the Indians - yes, it was mostly their homeand they didn't get paid anything...JUST MOVED OUT. Talk about blood in their eye!!! Dot Bibee] Last year a United Nations-designated panel, at the behest of the Clinton administration, called for the creation of uninhabited "buffer zones" around several U.S. national parks. Since then roughly two dozen U.S. parks and preserves, covering millions of acres of public land, have been included in the plan. Now, however, new plans to expand these zones are in the works, and the outrage has reached a near fever pitch among experts who say these U.N.-designated sites are merely attempts to "globalize" huge portions of the United States -- with taxpayers picking up the tab. Henry Lamb of http://www.freedom.orgEco-Logic -- a watchdog organization that monitors U.N. activities and U.S. sovereignty issues -- told WorldNetDaily that one example -- at Yellowstone National Park, where the creation of a larger buffer zone is well underway -- was "just a sign of things to come." "Inside Yellowstone, the U.S. Park Service is shutting down campgrounds as the park is being prepared to become the core of a huge biosphere reserve, as part of the United Nations global biodiversity plan," he said. "Once established, no human activity will be permitted in the area," even though U.S. taxpayers must continue to fund the maintenance and upkeep of Yellowstone and other popular outdoor tourist sites. Lamb said that in order to increase the buffer zone around Yellowstone, the Park Service drove local businesses away by refusing to maintain access roads. When the businesses folded as a result of heavy financial losses, the land was bought with taxpayer money and a larger zone of inaccessibility was created by default. "Once they buy the land, the government is obviously not going to resell it," he said, thus creating permanently larger buffer zones. "The purpose of establishing sites as U.S. national parks was to have people in them enjoying them," Lamb added. "But the Clinton administration has completely bought into this U.N. notion that our land ought to be their land, managed by them. And as such, it ought to be uninhabited as well." He said if most Americans "knew what was going on (with their national parks), the uproar would be deafening." In the case of Yellowstone, Lamb said the government's acquiescence to the U.N.'s agenda cost a gold mining company about $30 million and in the end prevented them from mining one ounce of known gold reserves, even though the government indicated they initially would have allowed it. "The owners of the Crown Butte New World gold mine, which is outside of Yellowstone National Park," he said, "were told by the government to comply with a list of environmental requirements before they could move in and begin mining." But after being threatened with non-stop litigation from environmental groups funded by U.N. agencies that could have lasted decades, the mining company finally agreed to a deal that leaves at least $650 million of known gold reserves in the ground instead. That deal provided the company with about $65 million dollars for "more exploration." Of that amount, the government said about $21 million had to be used for "environmental clean-up." Lamb said that Congress has consistently ignored Clinton administration orders and directives designed to implement many of the U.N. mandates. Clinton, he said, is implementing U.N. directives via executive order and presidential directive "because then he doesn't have to worry about getting Senate treaty ratification." At present a U.N.-sponsored biodiversity treaty, designed to limit U.S. public access to so-called "World Heritage Sites" and "Biodiversity sites" is languishing in the Senate. No action is scheduled on its ratification. Lamb added that in the course of the next several years, with no congressional oversight, the addition of more U.S. parks to the "Heritage" and "Biodiversity" sites lists will follow. "It is a well-documented fact that the U.N. is trying to gain control over vast amounts of U.S. territories to herd more
Re: [CTRL] The Giants of Yosemite Valley
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lee Chin) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 Subj: Fwd: [earthchanges] The Giants of Yosemite Valley This report is similar to the two bodies reportedly found at the 7,500' level on Mt.Rainier in 1910. An archaeologist was researching the ice caves located on the mountain. He noted the unnaturally formed rock pilings, removed them and discovered an opening to a group of descending chambers. There was an eerie light within that allowed him his viewing of the perfectly preserrved bodies of a 7 1/2' tall man and a 7' female. Both were wearing animal skins and carved jewelry. Both were placed upon platforms of carved ice. At the base of these platforms were the bones of children or very small humans. An adjoining lower cave had a small lake with a a skin-type boat on its shore. The above info is from the archives of Del McBride, Curator Emeritus of the Washington State Historical Museum in Olympia. Del passed on last year, but he was my beloved cousin and knowing of my interest in such infos he had sent me the entire report from the local newspaper reporting of same in 1910. It is (somewhere) in my genealogy files. lee Original message: http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/giants.htm - SIGHTINGS - The Giants of Yosemite Valley By Bobbie Short [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-16-99 The year, 1885. In California's great Yosemite Valley under the misty expanse near Bridal-Veil Falls, a party of silver and wannabee gold miners discovered what was to become the mystery of the decade. While having lunch, Mr. G. F. Martindale who was in charge of a party of miners, noticed a pile of stones that was placed against the wall of a cliff. Seasoned miners, they were familiar with the natural formation of rock, this particular grouping struck Mr. Martindale as being unusual and seemed not to have been placed naturally. Realizing that if something in the wild is not placed naturally, he could only conclude human hands placed it there. The miners set about removing the pile of stones. Behind the pile of stones they found a wall of rock that had been shaped and joined together with knowledgeable masonry. The joints between the rocks were all of uniform 1/8 of an inch in thickness and according to the reports from the men who were there, it was a beautiful job of stone work. "As pretty as any wall on any building that I have ever seen" is the way one miner described it. Thinking that they had perhaps stumbled upon some lost treasure, the party of miners proceeded without delay and issuing great haste began tearing down the wall to get to the incredible riches that surely must lie within. Disappointment fell a heavy weight upon their heads as, in the end, they found the vault empty save a very large mummified corpse that lay on the ledge, which was carved from the natural stone for the express purpose of burial. Lighting their carbide headlamps they set about examining the vault to see if perhaps they had overlooked something perhaps a map or some other clue to where the inevitable treasure might be hidden. Treasure of course being far more interesting than the fossil bones of a giant mummy. What they found was another vault that had been carved from natural rock - 9 feet 3 inches high, 18 feet 6 inches deep and 8 feet 4 inches wide - containing a tall mummified corpse that was 6 feet 8 inches tall. The corpse was wrapped in what appeared to be animal skins and covered with a layer of fine gray power. The miners removed parts of the animal skins to view the corpse and found it to be that of a woman holding a child to her breast. The mummy was then taken to Los Angeles where it was placed before men, considered to be of great science in those days, most of whom agreed that is was a "relic" from a race that must have inhabited this country long before the American Indian. Tall people, they claimed, from a race which preceded the coastal natives? All agreed that the height of 6 feet 8 inches tall in death must have represented an actual height in life of about seven or more feet. If their height relationship between men and women was approximately what it is today, then they concluded the males of the species could possibly have been some eight feet tall. The most popular theory of the day was that the lady was a relic of some royal family of a lost Stone Age tribe of giants. Interestingly enough, Captains Cooke and Magellan both wrote in their ship's logs of a race of giants that inhabited what we now know as the Pacific coast of South America. Cook was even supposed to have captured one of the giants reported to be nine feet tall. Unfortunately, the giant escaped by breaking the
Re: [CTRL] WHY IS AMERICA BEING DISARMED?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] â¦THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! I want my nunchuks, morningstars, maces, throwing stars knives, switchblades stilettos, nets tridents, curare-dipped arrows; Claymore mines; M-203s w/ HE WP AP rounds; self-propelled howitzers, tactical nukes, Anthrax, phosgene, mustard gas. I WANT A WIDE SPECTRUM OF ARMS AND I WANT'EM NOW!!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Sol(ana) Also Rises
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From TheIndependent (UK)
KOSOVO FACES `TOTAL ANARCHY'
THE DANGER facing Kosovo is no longer starvation but descent into
anarchy, the Liberal Democrat leader, Paddy Ashdown, warned
yesterday.
Mr Ashdown, on a fact- finding mission to the province, the
latest of many trips to the Balkans, said: "The situation now in
Kosovo is a race between order and disorder and disorder has a
head start."
Speaking from the capital, Pristina, he said: "The world probably
believes that there is a humanitarian crisis in Kosovo - there is
a humanitarian challenge but I'm reasonably convinced that it
will get through the winter. There isn't a humanitarian crisis,
but there is an administrative crisis and unless we tackle that
there is a danger that Kosovo will simply descend into Balkan
chaos."
Mr Ashdown's remarks reflect growing fears that the international
forces running Kosovo are failing to keep the province under
control. Every day, Serbs are driven out of their homes by
Albanians who have returned to rule the roost. Meanwhile,
Albanians settle scores among themselves.
Slobodan Milosevic's Serb-run police are gone; the only Albanian
force that could replace it is the Kosovo Liberation Army, whose
supporters include a heavy sprinkling of thugs.
Kosovo Serbs are so frightened that most have fled. Those who
stay are deeply scared. Nor is this just ethnic revenge.
Criminals from Albania and from Kosovo itself have the run of the
unpoliced province.
For this problem to be fully addressed, the now powerful KLA,
with all its murky connections, will need to have its wings
clipped. But it will be difficult to bring under control a force
that Kosovo Albanians are more loyal to than ever before.
SPANISH RACISTS INCREASE ATTACKS
RACISTS GANGS in Catalonia are mounting a wave of attacks against
African immigrants, copying last week's assault on an ethnic
Moroccan community near Barcelona.
Three Gambian women, one pregnant, were injured when a fire
destroyed the ground floor of their apartment block in Girona,
north-east of Barcelona, early on Monday. One women broke her
leg, wrists and ribs jumping from a first-floor window. Some 27
Gambian women who lived in the block were evacuated.
Hours later, a fire damaged the entrance to a mosque in the
nearby town of Banyoles. Last week, 300 residents of Banyoles
signed a petition demanding that the mosque be closed because it
had been built illegally and attracted "too many" people.
Yesterday the Civil Guards reported that calm had returned to
Terrassa, near Barcelona, where 11 skinheads were arrested last
week after racist attacks against Moroccan immigrants.
On Monday night police said they had arrested a man in Barcelona
over a web page on the Internet that threatened a massacre to
"rid the area" of non-whites.
First we have the NATO leadership adventuring in the Balkans
to "cure" ethnic problems; now we find the same kinds of
problems and they're local to the leadership. In 'winning' the
Cold War, Europe has been left without an identifiable enemy;
and so it appears one (or more) has to be created. In each and
every one of the 'hot spots' (Iran {Persia} - Turkey also comes
to mind), old (as in almost ancient) feuds are springing forth
like the desert hafter a heavy rainy season: all kinda stuff
that many had never seen or had forgotten about comes back to
life. Recall the Spaniards had a little problem with the Moors,
oh, way back when, what?, the Inquisition was on? And Slobo
must be at least slightly amused that Kosovo has been spun and
now may be spinning out of control. Any bets on his being asked
to intervene?
AER
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[CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] More Revelations Concerning Milton Bill Cooper
-Original Message-From: Straykat [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Duncan Roads [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eaglenet [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wednesday, 21 July 1999 8:33Subject: [TheEagle-L] More Revelations Concerning Milton Bill Cooper WHILE MJ12 - THE SEMI-SECRET BODY ALLEGEDLY OVERSEEING THE ALIEN 'PROBLEM' - AND AREA 51- THE SUPPOSED ALIEN HQ ON EARTH - ARE NOW WELL KNOWN, FEW PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR ORIGINS IN THE LATE 1980'S. VETERAN UFOLOGIST DON ECKER, CONCLUDES HIS ACCOUNT. While MJ-12 - the semi-secret body allegedly overseeing the alien problem - and Area 51 - the supposed alien HQ on Earth - are now well known, few people are aware of their origins in the late 1980s. veteran Ufologist Don Ecker, who had a ringside seat at the birth of this murky mythology, concludes his account. The close of 1988 saw American ufology in chaos over the claims and counter-claims about MJ-12. The airing, in October 1988, of the two-hour TV special UFO Coverup - Live only fanned the flames higher. In it, William Moore and Jaime Shandera - who had both gained fame for their investigations of the MJ-12 affair - introduced two men as American intelligence agents. Disguised electronically and given the codenames of Falcon and Condor, the men stated as fact that the American Government was playing host to alien visitors. Memorably, Falcon claimed the grey aliens liked strawberry ice cream. Within days of this broadcast William Cooper sent me his critique of it for publication on the ParaNet bulletin board system (BBS)2. He claimed that UFO Coverup - Live, in tandem with the MJ-12 documents, was part of an elaborate disinformation scheme designed to lead UFO researchers away from the real situation. WILLIAM COOPER William Cooper declared that he could confirm 150 per cent of the Lear Hypothesis; a paper by John Lear containing allegations of the US Governments alliance with ETs who, in exchange for advanced alien technology, were allowed to abduct unwilling human subjects for experimentation and the harvesting of biological material. The confusing war of fantastic, paranoid and often contradictory claims between Lear and Cooper proved too much for ParaNets founder Jim Speiser. He ejected them from the ParaNet membership on 26 October 1988, explaining his reasons in a four-page document. Speiser also mentioned he had been contacted by a 24-year-old ParaNet user named Jeff Felix whom he agreed to meet in a restaurant in Tempe, Arizona. Felix claimed to work as a cryptology technician for the National Security Agency (NSA) who, while fooling around on the NSA computer, had stumbled across files on secret projects called Majestic and Aquarius. After consulting contacts who had a genuine intelligence background, Speiser put some testing questions to Felix at a second meeting several days later. Felix failed this simple test but referred to something he called Project X-calibur. When Speiser mentioned this to Cooper, he claimed to have heard of it but knew nothing more. Later that day, Cooper called Speiser back and, to Speisers surprise, proceeded to tell him that Project Excalibur was real and concerned an MJ-12 project to obtain technology from the aliens. Speiser later said he began to think that Cooper and Felix were scamming me behind my back. ParaNet, he said, was becoming a home for unwed paranoids. That same month (October 1988) Lear sent Cooper copies of all his research into UFOs, including communications from Val Valerian (aka John Grace, an airforce NCO on active duty who had a keen interest in UFOs) and the Dallas Revisited videotape made by Lars Hansson exploring the theory that John F Kennedy had been fatally shot by his driver. Hansson had sent it to Lear in the hope that Lear might help finance his JFK research, asking Lear not to pass it on to anyone. The fact that Lear passed it on to Cooper had catastrophic consequences. In April 1989, KLAS TV journalist George Knapp presented a highly successful multi-part series on UFOs. In one segment, Knapp interviewed a man (electronically disguised) identified as Dennis who claimed to have worked at a super-secret site in Nevada known as Area 51 and at an even more secret site called S-4. His fantastic claim was he had worked on real flying saucers. At this time, no-one except Knapp and Area 51 security knew who Dennis was. BILLY GOODMAN Lear and Cooper also appeared on a radio programme broadcast from Las Vegas and heard all over the western United States, hosted by Billy Goodman on KVEG radio. In May of 1989, Lear and Cooper were asked to appear on a tabloid television programme, PM Magazine. Later Lear heard Cooper telling the interviewer that while he was on the Naval briefing team in Hawaii, he saw secret files
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Assassins
- SNETNEWS Mailing List This is the stuff I had out the nite little JFK Jr. fellyour line was busy even in the wee hours. Now - Sybil Leek sure wanted me, and I think I know now why.however at this time she had not told me she was MI6; that came out later...but the Tarot Card assassins - she wanted them - and when I saw the picture of John Jr with that arrow going through his heart.. Now this is terrible...this is anti catholic stuff and all thatremember the movie where they would take a picture, and then a priest for instance, a white shaft like arrow appeared in all these pictures, and they would die Remembr it is MI6 into and behind a lot of the tabloids along with CIA stuff and this Murdoch...my god, Sybil told me about Bob Pope Being CIA (haded up Enquirer) When I saw that arrowit did not sink in at first as I have just not been too swift latelythen it hit me, not that I could have done anything about it.this Hannahthe picture was superimposed with JFKStar Crossed Lovers...he dumped that frump That was no accident; he was shot down and they know it...he would have taken Hiliary and put her off the planet...that is how thes people have th guts to stand up there and thing they are loved...they are insane. Gold, Oil, Drugs.I cost the drug cartel 120 million dollars, but Sybil is the one they gotshe died from an episode at Hilton Head, but she sent evrything she had to Prim Minister She had me spying on the doctor who was in jail with Hoffa and had Meyer Lanskey on his farm, and was in on the murder of anothr doctor, with a Mafia low grade hit man named Ralph DeLeomite add Rhodes Scholar Richard Celeste released him (and Iwas ready to hit the deck because my friends had died)howevr, he was a psychotic individual, who they aid was a "made man". Anyway, when I found out what I was snooping on, I about died. I got that one article in paper because I was being follwed and circled and evn into the library...but I got my two wild girlfriends and we kept thm up until 2:30 every night until they asked permision to go home, and take us homelet us say they lost sight of the targets. Was kind of funny at that. Anywaythse Tarot Card AssassinsPrincess Diana I think knew they wre going to kill her...that is why she aid the Queen of Hearts.so that made John John the King and the upside down victim - the Hanged Man Tarot card...and that card is keyed to bible MEM 119th psalm. Get Richard Cavendish's book the Black Arts, as he was MI6 tooit is all double talk, but he explains in part the Tarotit is a form of communiction. And with that I nver darken your door again with this crap. By the way, some of that gold Fisher brought up was dental goldand the guy the managing Editor who got that letter in, was later fired, and this John Wolfe and the one who owns this paper who died, who would call my bosss to tell him about me having Gordon Novel in the Court (he was with Flynt) and on the Dixon stuff.and my boss would come out like whawt the hell have you done now. Sybil then diedthen the lawyer that knew and was in with Robin Moore - was murdered...Shapiroand he hadcome into see me. So you see on a local level this is where it begins.and it leads right up to Flynt and the President...only I cannot do anything anymore unless I find anothr Sybil. Henry Rgnery way back then wanted me to work on my book, put some sex into it which there was noneand said I had stumbled onto somthing significant So life is cruelhe was the last - but in the end they are all going to gt it now, you just wait.he would have cleaned out that bunch. Sorry for your time.but I had all this stuffout again, and it is just depressng anyway. Colleen Oh, did you get the stuff and could you see what I was sayingGlobe marked JJ and they knew he was going to be killed; I hate Globe, but Sybil said it was bread and butter to her.she used me for all I was worthI used to pick up stuff in dreams well in advance - becaue I was near those with the plan and did not vn known it. - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
[CTRL] Appraisal of Technology of Political Control
-Caveat Lector- THIS IS US, COUNTER INTUITIVE HUMAN RESPONSE: As highlighted in the interim report, the human response to the deployment of such technologies may be counter-intuitive and render progressive, deployments of newer more powerful systems either obsolete or dysfunctional. This possibility is discussed in greater detail below. FULL TEXT AT: http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm EVERYBODY HERE NEEDS TO READ THIS AND PASS IT ON, I THINK. THIS IS JUST THE SUMMARY. IT WILL AMAZE AND ENLIGHTEN YOU. EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT _ SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGICAL OPTIONS ASSESSMENT STOA AN APPRAISAL OF TECHNOLOGIES OF POLITICAL CONTROL Working document (Consultation version) Luxembourg, 6 January 1998 PE 166 499 Directorate General for Research Cataloguing data: Title: An appraisal of technologies for political control Publisher: European Parliament Directorate General for Research Directorate B The STOA Programme Author: Mr. Steve Wright - Omega Foundation - Manchester Editor: Mr. Dick Holdsworth Head of STOA Unit Date: 6 January 1998 PE Number: PE 166 499 This document is a working document. The current version is being circulated for consultation. It is not an official publication of STOA or of the European Parliament. This document does not necessarily represent the views of the European Parliament. AN APPRAISAL OF THE TECHNOLOGY OF POLITICAL CONTROL ABSTRACT The objectives of this report are fourfold: (i) to provide Members of the European Parliament with a guide to recent advances in the technology of political control; (ii) to identify, analyse and describe the current state of the art of the most salient developments; (iii) to present members with an account of current trends, both in Europe and Worldwide; and (iv) to develop policy recommendations covering regulatory strategies for their management and future control. The report contains seven substantive sections which cover respectively: (i) The role and function of the technology of political control; (ii) Recent trends and innovations (including the implications of globalisation, militarisation of police equipment, convergence of control systems deployed worldwide and the implications of increasing technology and decision drift); (iii) Developments in surveillance technology (including the emergence of new forms of local, national and international communications interceptions networks and the creation of human recognition and tracking devices); (iv) Innovations in crowd control weapons (including the evolution of a 2nd. generation of so called 'less-lethal weapons' from nuclear labs in the USA). (v) The emergence of prisoner control as a privatised industry, whilst state prisons face increasing pressure to substitute technology for staff in cost cutting exercises and the social and political implications of replacing policies of rehabilitation with strategies of human warehousing. (v) The use of science and technology to devise new efficient mark-free interrogation and torture technologies and their proliferation from the US Europe. (vi) The implications of vertical and horizontal proliferation of this technology and the need for an adequate political response by the EU, to ensure it neither threatens civil liberties in Europe, nor reaches the hands of tyrants. The report makes a series of policy recommendations including the need for appropriate codes of practice. It ends by proposing specific areas where further research is needed to make such regulatory controls effective. The report includes a comprehensive bibliographical survey of some of the most relevant literature. AN APPRAISAL OF THE TECHNOLOGY OF POLITICAL CONTROL EXECUTIVE SUMMARY The objectives of this report are fourfold: (i) to provide Members of the European Parliament with a guide to recent advances in the technology of political control; (ii) to identify. analyze and describe the current state of the art of the most salient developments; (iii) to present members with an account of current trends, both in Europe and Worldwide; and (iv) to develop policy recommendations covering regulatory strategies for their management and future control. The report includes a large selection of illustrations to provide Members of Parliament with a good idea of the scope of current technology together with a representative flavour of what lies on the horizon. The report contains seven
Re: [CTRL] THE NEW WORLD ORDER'S TEN COMMANDMENTS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/19/99 5:22:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Thou shalt have no other gods which you obey before the state. The tax man doth scare ME!! 2, Thou shalt not attempt to recover your lost rights, or dignities, through political views based upon religious principals. What does this crapola mean 4. Thou shalt not advocate biblical morality or absolutes for that is forcing your morality upon others. Agreeded! I doubt YOU would want morality FORCED on you from other works of fiction such as the Kama Sutra or the Koran. 5. Thou shalt not oppose abortion Frankly, any REAL AMERICAN doesn't. Those who do beyond not having an abortion themselves are invading the privacy of others, MYOB 7. Thou shalt not oppose pornography ANY guy, without exception, who opposes porn is either a liar or a queen. This is exactly what our 1st Amendment is all about...If ya' don't like it then leave, I hear the porn laws in England are much more to your liking. 8. Thou shalt not be tolerant of all false religions That's what ALL the poor, hopeless, superstitious saps of the world say Whatever dude, you're just misguidedand, well, let's leave it at that... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Accuses Israel of Anti-Catholicism
-Caveat Lector- Hey! An idea!! Extreme Crusades 2000!!! Pay-Per-View...$66.66/All 3 days SEE religious animosity manifest itself in the squared circle SEE some of the best Jewish and Irish or Italian fighters since the 40's ply their rough trade against eachother... SEE the huge extended families of the Catholics and the bloated mothers of the Jews cheer theirs on in a frenzy that only religiosity can generate... SKULLCAP vs. ROSARY...in the BRAWL 4 It ALL Live on Pay-Per View... Semifinals in New York and Boston... Finals in either Tel Aviv or Rome (pending the flipping of the idol)... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Jul 20
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith July 20, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- WORD There are only three isms I'm against: fascism, communism and snake-oilism -- Earl Long PRIVATE HMOs CUT CORNERS NEW YORK TIMES: Patients enrolled in profit-making health insurance plans are significantly less likely to receive the basics of good medical care -- including childhood immunizations, routine mammograms, pap smears, prenatal care, and lifesaving drugs after a heart attack -- than those in not-for-profit plans The research, conducted by a team from Harvard University and Public citizen, an advocacy group in Washington, is the first comprehensive comparison of investor-owned and nonprofit plans. The authors found that on every one of 4 quality-of-care indicators, the for-profits scored worse. The New York Times also reports that under the Senate approved health bill, most people in HMOs would "gain no tangible benefit from many of the consumer-protection standards" since they apply only to people in HMOs regulated by the federal government. PACIFICA CRISIS SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE: The private security service now occupying padlocked KPFA radio has ties to the FBI and other law enforcement agencies and could be having a field day with confidential records kept by reporters at the frequently anti-establishment station, KPFA journalists charged yesterday. The complaint came after KPFA's governing body, the Pacifica Foundation, refused yesterday morning to let employees retrieve their files and tapes from the Berkeley station Pacifica, which placed all employees on paid, involuntary leave Tuesday after mass protests and arrests, maintains that files and tapes are "company property," said Pacifica spokeswoman Elan Fabbri. She said the security service employees are merely protecting the station and are not looking into anyone's files or desks. THE ECONOMIST: Over the years, the Pacifica network has become the only real "alternative" network left in American radio. Programs distributed by National Public Radio, by far the largest network of listener-supported (or "public") radio stations in the country, have grown increasingly bland. Beyond that, the FM and AM radio dials are crowded with commercial stations, providing a rarely-varying roar of rock, country western, "oldies", talk and rap. By contrast, Pacifica's most popular network program is "Democracy Now!", a daily hour-long feature that won an award earlier this year for its coverage of massacres in oil-rich regions of Nigeria. ECONOMIST http://www.economist.com/editorial/freeforall/17-7-99/index_us5716.html CAPITOL HILL BLUE, OCT 13 1998: The Civil Rights Commission [chaired by Mary Francis Berry] appears in "disarray," congressional auditors say in a report accusing the 40-year-old agency of lacking fiscal accountability, misplacing records and taking years longer than planned to finish projects In a review of the agency covering fiscal years 1993 through 1996, the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative and auditing arm, found "management controls over its operations are weak and do not ensure that the commission is able to meet its statutory responsibility or its program objectives." CAPITOL HILL BLUE http://207.153.252.231/July1997/civilrightsjul10.htm THE MEDIACRACY If you're wondering why so many Washington reporters fail to ask probing questions, here's the sort of thing that happens when you try. Progressive columnists Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman were upbraided by a USDA flack for asking a few tough questions of his boss, Dan Glickman, following a National Press Club appearance. Reported the pair: Before boarding the elevator to leave the Press Club, USDA communications director Tom Amontree accused us of being "rude" and not "nice." In what sense were we rude? You are rude because you were being "very argumentative" and you were asking "leading questions," he says. FOCUS ON CORPORATIONS http://lists.essential.org/corp-focus YOUTH NOTES WASHINGTON POST: A new study has found that high school students whose
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990720c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No silicon armadillos were left to rot during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # PILL COATING KILLS HIV, STDs. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A polymer used as an enteric coating on pills may offer a new tool for preventing transmission of HIV. The ingredient, cellulose acetate phthalate, kills not only HIV but also herpes virus and several types of bacteria that cause sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Formulated into a cream, it has no serious side effects. The polymer is classified as an inert substance, not a drug. Cheap, safe, common: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990720/12/health-hiv5 And: http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=14356 : What's your favorite inert substance? What does it kill/cure? Do you/ETs use it to make crop circles? Have you tested it on lab rats, lawyers, me?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # World's Top Scientists Ponder: What If The Whole Universe Is, Like, One Huge Atom? PALO ALTO, CA - Gathering for what members of the international science community are calling "potentially the most totally out-to-lunch freaky head trip since Einstein postulated that space and time were, like, curved and shit," a consortium of the world's top physicists descended on Stanford University Monday to discuss some of the difficult questions facing the cutting edge of theoretical thinking. There isn't enough beer for everyone: http://www.theonion.com/onion3525/universe_one_atom.html : What if the universe is, like, one huge scientific conference? How could there possibly be enough brew and pizza to go around? Are aliens bargirls? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # China bans marketing of anniversary. BEIJING (AP) China banned groups from exploiting the upcoming 50th anniversary of communist rule to make cash by squeezing companies for donations. It also proscribed plastering national symbols on anniversary souvenirs. The nationwide ban is aimed at relieving pressure on companies being harassed by 50th anniversary fundraisers ahead of the Oct. 1 fest. The ban prohibits people from collecting fees, asking for financial support or soliciting advertisements from companies. Shake- downs: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560356365-19d : Does your belief system prohibit/mandate making profits off your belief system? Is your system financially exploitable? Can/do you sell souvenirs, trinkets, indulgences, absolution, protection, music, art, hope, fear, guns? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF FAKED MOON LANDING? MIAMI, Fla. (Wireless Flash) July 16th marks the 30th anniversary of the day "Apollo 11" was launched on a historic mission of landing two men on the moon -- but did Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin really walk on the moon? Some investigators believe the US gov't faked the moon landing because the technology wasn't quite ready to land a human on the moon. NASA's own film footage reveals the fraud: http://www.nettoilet.com/news/getarticle.shtml?1999/07/12/item6.html : Have you faked many spaceflights, planetary/satellite/shuttle missions, alien encounters? Is the whole space program fraudulent? How can you tell? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Way to vary speed of bullet found. OAK RIDGE, Tenn. (AP) - It sounds like it's from a SciFi tale - a rifle that can be adjusted so its user fires bullets at varying speeds, such as "stun," "disable" or "destroy." Now researchers at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory say they have made the first step toward building such a weapon. But what's the default setting? See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560351849-69f : Do you prefer to stun, disable or kill? Would you like setting for "miss", "tickle", "frighten", "obliterate"? How would you set it for encountering Reptilioids/Republicans, religious solicitors, tobacco flacks, senators, me? # KILLED WITH KINDNESS. The US Army's new tungsten bullet can still splatter your guts against the wall, but at least the biosphere will be spared all that icky lead contained in traditional slugs. The Army is replacing its lead bullets - which leave a residue harmful to sediment, surface water, and groundwater - with tungsten-based slugs. Since the pulverized organs of an enemy soldier are completely biodegradable, this appears to be a win-win situation for all concerned. Now, just get some other SOB to die for HIS country: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/story/20843.html : Do you prefer clean/dirty bullets, nukes, knives, bottles, hands, jokes, sex, politics, religion, sports, windows? How about biodegradable bullets? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Jedi Knights are like Canadians because... (C)1999 Bruce H.G. Calder - When we're confronting a powerful
[CTRL] Russia's computers not y2k ready
-Caveat Lector- http://www.prophezine.com/search/database/DailyNews/news3.html Russia's Computers Not Y2K-Ready MOSCOW (AP) - Only one-third of Russia's vital computer systems are ready for the millennium, and the government probably won't have the money to fix the rest in time, officials said Monday. Finance Ministry officials told a Cabinet meeting on Monday that Russia needs at least $187 million to prepare its computers for the year 2000, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. The new estimates were dramatically lower than previous figures, which said Russia would need $1 billion to $3 billion to fight the millennium bug. The Finance Ministry did not explain the discrepancy. Still, the money will be hard to find, and Moscow will probably have to give priority to defense and security sectors while withholding money from other agencies, Finance Minister Mikhail Kasyanov said, according to ITAR-Tass. The Defense Ministry needs $13 million to fix the problem, and the Interior Ministry needs $6 million, Kasyanov said. Russian government agencies have 28,000 vital computer systems, one-third of which are ready for the Year 2000 changeover, said Alexander Ivanov, head of the State Communications Committee. He said many of Russia's government agencies don't fully appreciate the risks. ``The situation with resolving the Y2K bug in Russia provokes concern,'' Ivanov told the meeting, according to the Interfax news agency. Russia plans to reduce the number of airplane flights on Dec. 31, halt some hazardous industrial processes and switch others to manual control, ``just in case'' anything goes wrong, Ivanov said. But the Russian Central Bank and most fuel and energy companies are prepared, he said. Russia has been slow to address the millennium bug because of more pressing problems, including a severe cash shortage. The problem may occur if older computers that use two figures to designate a year mistake the year 2000 for 1900 and shut down or produce erroneous information. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: John Stossel: NeoCon Shill
I've always found John Stossel to be very one sided, especially when it comes to covering the economic aspects of stories. In the "Scaring Ourselves" story, he claimed that all economists agree that ALL REGULATIONS lead to lost jobs and the imposition of higher costs on society. This clearly is not the case. For example, everyone deciding to stop at red lights is a regulation that leads to greater productivity in the economy. He always presents a simplistic neo-conservative view in which the market is supposed to solve all of society's problems. This was especially evident in his story on the fate of the pension plan in the U.S. He stated something to the effect that only 15% of Americans believe that they will recieve any benefits when they retire, and then he contrasted this with a figure showing that more Americans believe in flying saucers. Just because people do not believe that they will not receive any benefits does not in fact imply that they won't actually receive government payments. He contrasted the American public plan with the privitized Chilean plan; as proof that privitization is better he asked a few Chileans on the street how they felt about their privitized plan. He did not cite any polls. He did not mention how mutual fund companies are aggressively lobbying governments worldwide to privitize their pension plans. In most of his stories, he sets up some special interest group as the villain (lawyers, old people, Ralph Nader ...) and then he claims that if we only let the market do its job, everything would be right again. Daljit Dhadwal Simon Fraser University Burnaby, BC
Re: [CTRL] The real jfk jr. problem
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT does it again! Television has become the greatest tool of warfare in the history of the world. Warfare perpetrated by a government with global aspirations on The People. The secrets gleaned by the American and European industrialist sponsors of Nazi Germany were directly applied to pop media as a means to control...It is Psychological Warfare in no uncertain terms. It is very easy to see when one removes ones self from its influence. Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-18 16:24:35 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we have overlooked the fact that a human being is dead! Whether you liked him or not, republican or democrat, illuminati or Freemason, a human has died, we should at least show some sympathy to the families. I have sympathy for his family, yes, but no more sympathy than for the family of any ORDINARY human being who has died a tragic death. What I strongly object to, and what subtracts from such sympathy, is this current trend in America toward granting "supernatural" status to the media-celebrity class, which includes political celebrities. Already, as earlier seen in the response to the death of Princess Diana, the media are granting JFK Jr some kind of imaginary divinity through class attribution of "royalty," calling him "the American Prince." (A male counterpart of the "Martyred Princess.") Apparently the mass-media now have a monopoly on conditions in the afterlife and, as the Church once did, has arrogated to itself the power to create saints and deities at whim, subject to its OWN criteria -- which, in America, are usually beauty, wealth, or power -- superficial qualities and qualities which undermine any true sense of values. To base a "morality" on such things, and manipulate our sympathies (admiration or sense of loss, by which our attachment to what is VALUED is measured) in a patently "religious" way, is appalling. All our real WORSHIP is in the TV Church of the Image. Whether or not one is visible in the media is now the only standard of personal worth. Alive, JFK Jr was a real human being, with good and bad qualities, like everyone else. Dead now, his image has been co-opted by the media manufacturers of MYTH -- he is no longer REAL. Our (bogus) feelings now toward him --a STRANGER to us even now, a human being most of us have never met or known-- are therefore equally UNREAL. Save your feelings for persons you have contact with and have interacted with, face to face -- otherwise those so-called "feelings" are no more genuine than those of a pimply youth masturbating to a foldout in Playboy. Harsh? Necessarily so, in the US, where we treat REAL human beings as useless "things," while responding to mere IMAGES as if more "real," more emotionally moving, more evocative of admiration or contempt. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] (Fwd) Pacifica Crisis
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Tuesday, July 20, 1999 Uproar Over Free Speech and Lockout: Unprecedented Stifling of Radio Station A nationwide outcry is growing as the Pacifica Foundation continues its lockout of staff and volunteers at radio station KPFA in the San Francisco area. A week ago, the foundations management halted the stations evening newscast in mid-sentence while the news anchor was reporting on the latest developments in the KPFA-Pacifica conflict. Since then, archival tapes have been airing. Among those who can be called for interviews are: MATTHEW LASAR, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.savepacifica.net Author of "Pacifica Radio: The Rise of an Alternative Network" (Temple University Press, 1999), Lasar said: The Pacifica Foundation is clearly abandoning the most basic precept of community broadcasting -- that those who work at and support a station have something to do with its policies. Pacificas actions here are unprecedented in the organizations history. AILEEN ALFANDARY News co-director at KPFA, Alfandary said: There are disturbing indications that Pacifica is considering the sale of KPFAs or [New York City station] WBAIs lucrative frequencies. Equally troubling is that Mary Frances Berry, the chair of Pacificas board and of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, would use her Justice Department connections in an apparent attempt to get the Berkeley police to crack down on nonviolent protesters. ANDREA BUFFA, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.media-alliance.org Executive director of Media Alliance, a 22-year-old media accountability organization based in San Francisco, Buffa said: The Pacifica Foundation really underestimated the breadth and depth of support for KPFA. J. IMANI, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A member of KPFA local advisory board, Imani said: Berry wants to diversify Pacifica from the top down; weve been working to diversify it from the bottom up. BEN H. BAGDIKIAN, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author of "The Media Monopoly," a former top editor at the Washington Post and former dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at the University of California at Berkeley, Bagdikian said: The national board has only limited time to reverse the present course of events if they wish to preserve Pacifica and what it stands for. MARY FRANCES BERRY The chair of the Pacifica Foundation, Berry did not respond to IPAs request for comment. For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] (Fwd) Reason-Express: REx29, v2
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:46:26 -0500 From: "Jeff Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Reason Express List Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Reason-Express: REx29, v2 Welcome to Reason Express, the weekly e-newsletter from Reason magazine. Reason Express is written by Washington-based journalist Jeff A. Taylor and draws on the ideas and resources of the Reason editorial staff. For more information on Reason, visit our Web site at www.reason.com. Send your comments about Reason Express to Jeff A. Taylor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Virginia Postrel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). REASON Express July 19, 1999 Vol. 2 No. 29 1) Kennedy Mystique or Media Myopia? 2) Latest Take on the Breast-Bottle Debate 3) Encryption: A Threat to Our American Way of Life 4) Report: The Best Teachers Know Their Subjects (Duh!) 5) Quick Hits - - A Man of Leisure - - Accepting for the moment that the round-the-clock coverage of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s mishap was right, proper, and proportional, what does the coverage tell us about the media? That news reporters operate with two distinctly different sets of rules: one for themselves, and people like themselves, and one for everyone else. The networks, commentators, and editors who assume their fellow citizens are unequipped to navigate across a slick shower stall, plan for their own retirement, or hold a pointed stick, fell all over themselves to understand, accept, and even applaud Kennedy's risk-taking spirit. Some went so far to label him a "daredevil," citing his parasailing and Rollerblading excursions. But if Kennedy was a daredevil, then the country is chock full of them, all willing to assume far greater risks than the average nightly newscast gives them credit for. Somehow the mainstream media have managed to misplay one of the greatest developments of the 20th century, the spread of leisure from a privileged few to the masses. Think--when was the last time you met someone who wasn't "into" some particular weekend activity? In the past 10 years, it has become even harder to miss the proliferation of ever-more-intense leisure experiences--hang gliding, paintball, parachuting. mountain biking. These are not the pastimes of the risk averse. So perhaps those intent on finding a legacy for the latest fallen Kennedy should focus on the rehabilitation of an all-too-common epithet: risktaker. http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/kennedyplane990718.html W. Michael Cox and Richard Alm track the development of leisure in America at http://www.reason.com/9512/COXfeat.html and http://www.reason.com/9808/fe.cox.html Nick Gillespie on the myth of disappearing leisure time http://www.reason.com/9805/citings.html#9 ** - - Pulling A Breast - - From the British Medical Journal comes an example of a scientific study which is less scientific than it appears. German scientists claim to have found a link between breast milk and the avoidance of obesity later in life. The results were cited as "powerful ammunition for the campaign to encourage mothers to choose the breast over the bottle." Many studies have shown that breast milk is better than formula on several counts, but what about this one? Does it really supply "powerful" evidence? Over 9,000 children were studied, and the authors did find a correlation between those who were bottle-fed and those who entered school obese. But a clear cause was not found. The best the authors could do was suggest that bottle-fed children are encouraged to finish each and every bottle, and thus add extra pounds. But that points to something which even exhaustive surveys on family background age, income, etc. cannot capture: parenting skills. Could it be that the breast-fed kids had, on average, better parents? Such a thing sounds impossible to measure and, of course, doesn't rule out there being excellent parents who bottle-feed, but a thought experiment might help. Suppose we have red Jell-O and green Jell-O, identical in every way except for color and the process by which it becomes Jell-O. The red Jell-O just needs warm water. The green Jell-O needs a complicated process requiring a degree in chemical engineering to produce Jell-O. Any mistakes and the stuff vaporizes. Should we be surprised if, five or 10 years on, the kids who ate only green Jell-O scored higher on standardized tests than those who ate only red Jell-O? Of course not. And researchers would say they would never let such an obvious thing slip by them. But in the breast-bottle arena something very similar happens. Breast-feeding can be very difficult. It can be painful, highly inconvenient, and sleep depriving (bottle-fed babies seem to sleep better). Given these factors, it follows that most mothers who breast-feed are highly attuned to their child's diet. Breast-feeding moms can be
[CTRL] Teddy the DrugStories
-Caveat Lector- From counterpunch.org July 15, 1999 Ted K., the CIA LSD It turns out that Theodore Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber, was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by the CIA at Harvard in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Michael Mello, author of the recently published book, "The United States of America vs. Theodore John Kaczynski," notes that at some point in his Harvard years--1958 to 1962--Kaczynski agreed to be the subject of "a psychological experiment." Mello identifies the chief researcher for these only as a lieutenant colonel in World War II, working for the CIA's predecessor organization, the Office of Strategic Services. In fact, the man experimenting on the young Kaczynski was Dr. Henry Murray, who died in 1988. Murray became preoccupied by psychoanalysis in the 1920s, drawn to it through a fascination with Herman Melville's "Moby Dick," which he gave to Sigmund Freud, who duly made the excited diagnosis that the whale was a father figure. After spending the 1930s developing personality theory, Murray was recruited to the OSS at the start of the war, applying his theories to the selection of agents and also presumably to interrogation. As chairman of the Department of Social Relations at Harvard, Murray zealously prosecuted the CIA's efforts to carry forward experiments in mind control conducted by Nazi doctors in the concentration camps. The overall program was under the control of the late Sidney Gottlieb, head of the CIA's technical services division. Just as Harvard students were fed doses of LSD, psilocybin and other potions, so too were prisoners and many unwitting guinea pigs. Sometimes the results were disastrous. A dram of LSD fed by Gottlieb himself to an unwitting U.S. army officer, Frank Olson, plunged Olson into escalating psychotic episodes, which culminated in Olson's fatal descent from an upper window in the Statler-Hilton in New York. Gottlieb was the object of a lawsuit not only by Olson's children but also by the sister of another man, Stanley Milton Glickman, whose life had disintegrated into psychosis after being unwittingly given a dose of LSD by Gottlieb. What did Murray give Kaczynski? Did the experiment's long-term effects help tilt him into the Unabomber's homicidal rampages? The CIA's mind experiment program was vast. How many other human time bombs were thus primed? How many of them have exploded? There are other human time bombs, primed in haste, ignorance or indifference to long-term consequences. Amid all the finger-pointing to causes prompting the recent wave of schoolyard killings, not nearly enough clamor has been raised about the fact that many of these teenagers suddenly exploding into mania were on a regimen of antidepressants. Eric Harris, one of the shooters at Columbine, was on Luvox. Kip Kinkel, who killed his parents and two students in Oregon, was on Prozac. There are a number of other instances. Apropos possible linkage, Dr. Peter Breggin, author of books on Prozac and Ritalin, has said, "I have no doubt that Prozac can contribute to violence and suicide. I've seen many cases. In the recent clinical trial, 6% of the children became psychotic on Prozac. And manic psychosis can lead to violence." A 15-year-old girl attending a ritzy liberal arts school in the Northeast told us that 80% of the kids in her class were on Prozac, Ritalin or Dexedrine. The pretext used by the school authorities is attention deficit disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, with a diagnosis made on the basis of questions such as: "Do you find yourself daydreaming or looking out the window?" Ritalin is being given to about 2 million American schoolchildren. A 1986 article by Richard Scarnati in the International Journal of the Addictions lists more than a hundred adverse reactions to Ritalin, including paranoid delusions, paranoid psychosis, amphetamine-like psychosis and terror. Meanwhile, uncertainty reigns on the precise nature of the complaint that Ritalin is supposed to be treating. One panel reviewing the proceedings at a conference on ADHD last year even doubted whether the disorder is a "valid" diagnosis of a broad range of children's behavior, and said there was little evidence Ritalin did any good. In 1996, the Drug Enforcement Administration denounced the use of Ritalin and concluded that "the dramatic increase in the use of [Ritalin] in the 1990s should be viewed as a marker or warning to society." Indeed. Land mines now litter the terrain of our society, waiting to explode. CP AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha
Re: [CTRL] The Best Enemy Money Can Buy
-Caveat Lector- With Klintons latest debacle in europe I am sure they are stirring the pot against us...y2k a ripe time for people who know US not, except by our leaders actions. Said Leaders controlled by money only. Yes. We are framed. Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Best Enemy Money Can Buy Antony Sutton Liberty House Press©1986 1517 14th St. West Box 216C Billings, MT 59102 800-343-6180 ISBN 0-937765-01-5 261 pps - in print - An amazing, book. Shows with much clarity and documentation, the fact of the arming of Soviet Russia by the West, mainly the US. An excellent book by a courageous scholar. A taste. Highly recommended Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: The John-John Konspiracy
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist Kennedy Visual Search Suspended AP Photo Full Coverage Search for JFK Jr. Plane By ERICA NOONAN Associated Press Writer AQUINNAH, Mass. (AP) - Hope dimmed late Saturday for John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife and sister-in-law, as darkness descended on the waters off Martha's Vineyard where their plane went down. Debris washed ashore, but there was no sign of life. ``I can tell you miraculous stories of people surviving,'' said Rear Admiral Richard M. Larrabee, first Coast Guard district commander, at a late afternoon news conference. ``I can tell you in previous cases like this, we've searched as many as three or four days. We're not ready to give up on this yet.'' But the daylong search by planes, helicopters and boats yielded little but some fragments of Kennedy's red-and-white plane, a piece of baggage labeled with the business card of Lauren Bessette, sister of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, and a prescription bottle belonging to Bessette Kennedy. State police said the visual aerial search was suspended for the night, but an Air National Guard helicopter with infrared sensors would continue searching in the dark. ``It's basically a heat seeker,'' said Massachusetts State Police Capt. Robert Bird. ``It allows articles to be located based on differences in temperatures between water and ... a body or a person in the water.'' A Coast Guard official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said searchers on the water hoped they might see an emergency beacon or search light in the darkness, or rescue ships might turn off their engines and hear faint distress calls. Authorities said National Transportation Safety Board investigators already were at work on the Vineyard. The television networks suspended their scheduled programming to focus on the search, and the nation was glued to its sets, echoing the grim fascination at his father's assassination, nearly 36 years ago. Fears mounted that the Kennedys had suffered another ghastly tragedy. The couple had been en route to Cape Cod and a Kennedy cousin's wedding at Hyannis Port - now postponed and replaced with prayers for the missing. The 38-year-old Kennedy - universally known as ``John John'' since he was a toddler in the White House, and once labeled the ``sexiest man alive'' by People magazine - had obtained his pilot's license just last year. At Philbin Beach in Aquinnah - the portion of the Vineyard popularly known as Gay Head - luggage, a wheel, a headrest and part of a plane support known as a strut had washed up, said Coast Guard Lt. Craig Jaramillo. Lt. Col. Richard Stanley of the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary said other searchers had discovered pieces of landing gear, part of a rubber pedal apparatus and pieces of seat. Erin McCarthy, 31, of Boston, said she saw the black bag with Lauren Bessette's name on it in the water. A friend, Damon Seligson, waded in to retrieve it. ``It was kind of like, 'Oh God.' It seemed like it would be pretty bad news. Everyone was shaking,'' said McCarthy. The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration sent a submersible named ``Rude'' (pronounced Rudy) to aid in the search, and it began its work on Saturday evening, using sonar to look for wreckage. The FAA reported the last contact with the plane during its final approach to the airport on the island off Cape Cod at 9:39 p.m., the Coast Guard said. ``The aircraft was due to arrive at Martha's Vineyard around 10 p.m. and was later expected to fly to Hyannis Port,'' the statement said. No flight plan had been filed, and none was required. Family members were assembled in Hyannis Port for the wedding of the late Robert F. Kennedy's daughter Rory. A family friend reported the plane missing to the Coast Guard about 2:15 a.m. The Coast Guard immediately began searching for the plane and contacted FAA officials, who in turn alerted rescue personnel at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia, which is in charge of searching for overdue planes. At 3:30 a.m., the Air Force got a ``positive hit'' on an emergency signal emanating from northern Long Island, said Larrabee, the Coast Guard district commander. Rescuers searched that area for three hours, but found nothing, he said. At 7:30 a.m., the Coast Guard launched an aggressive search of the area around Martha's Vineyard and Montauk, N.Y. Later in the morning, the search area was narrowed significantly when officials reviewed radar records and found the plane's last known location was
[CTRL] NEW BOOK NOW AVAILABLE: HOLLOW PLANETS
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Jan Lamprecht" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:42:00 +0200 Subject:IMAGES: NEW BOOK NOW AVAILABLE: HOLLOW PLANETS Some of you have been waiting for it for a very long time - and FINALLY, its here: "Hollow Planets" by Jan Lamprecht, with the Foreword by Dr M. Gohnert. It is a 596 page study of data and thoughts gleaned from prestigious journals such as Nature, The Strolling Astronomer (ALPO Journal), Science, New Scientist, Journal of Geophysical Research, Journal of the British Astronomical Association, etc which deals with the question of whether Mercury, Venus, Earth and other planets could possibly be hollow. It is a large format soft-cover book which weighs in at a staggering 2.38 Lbs! It is well illustrated with 100 diagrams, graphs and maps and has 33 plates (mostly NASA photos). For more information go to WWW.HollowPlanets.com where you will be able to see a synopsis of each of the 19 chapters. You will also be able to listen to the interviews I have given so far. The U.S. Price is: $24.95 + postage and handling. All prices quoted for the book include postage and handling. You can place orders at the above site or, if you are in the U.S. you can make use of our toll-free number. Kindly note that our site is indeed secure. The reason you won't see the lock icon appearing is because we're using frames. The order forms are so designed that you can either fill them in on the screen or print them on your printer (if paying by check or money order). If you experience any problems on the web site then please e-mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will assist you. I will be trying to arrange as many radio interviews in the coming months as possible. So if there's a radio station near you (wherever in the world you may be) which will be interested please let me know. The same is true for magazines, journals and any scientific organisations which may have an interest in this. The web page will be updated with a News section detailing the current status of things. I will also be setting up a Reminders list for those who may be interested in being kept abreast of major developments which may take place in the coming months. I would like to thank all the people on my List Service for their support and encouragement over the years. You will see it was not in vain. Best Regards, Jan Lamprecht. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bow-Wake?
-Caveat Lector-
All conventional warfare is obsolete now considering the
ultra-secret and NWO SDI developements of the last ten
years, which we have NOT been privy to. Its all a bunch of
monkey business and this in particular is a pork barrel for
the wealthiest constituents. FEAR IS THE PRODUCT THEY
PUSH. You should fear the government itself declaring war
on us, like they have with the war on drugs...the banks have
bled the whole world white and pretty soon if not right now
all countries will be too poor to feed themselves say
nothing about war with each other. These planes are toys
for rich kids who can't grow up.
B
Alamaine Ratliff wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Publications of the Center for Security Policy
No. 99-D 81
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DECISION BRIEF
19 July 1999
Don't Let the F-22 Fall Victim to a Defense 'Train Wreck'
(Washington, D.C.): When the House Appropriations Committee voted
last week to defer production of the Air Force's next generation
fighter plane, the F-22, the image that came to mind was that of
the cartoon character Pogo who once famously declared, "We have
met the enemy and it is us." Unless the Republican-led Congress
comes to grips with the central reality of the defense budget --
namely, that its present and projected funding levels are
woefully inadequate to meet America's future security needs --
the GOP will become fully implicated in the Clinton
Administration's hollowing-out of the U.S. military.
The F-22: America's Qualitative Edge
To be sure, critics of the F-22 cast this fight in narrower
terms. They claim that an aircraft with its characteristics --
low-observability ("stealth"), supersonic cruise capability (that
is, the ability to fly at supersonic speeds without having to
utilize afterburners that consume huge quantities of fuel) and
sophisticated avionics and weapon systems -- is no longer needed
to dominate the skies. They contend that, with the decline in the
technical skills and productivity of the former Soviet
military-industrial complex, the United States can safely make do
with far less sophisticated and expensive warplanes.
Unfortunately, as the war in Kosovo reminds us, threats to U.S.
pilots can come from the ground as well as the air. We owe it to
those asked to fight the Nation's future wars to ensure that they
are given platforms for doing so that are as immune as possible
to the continuing improvements being made by potential
adversaries in both air-to-air and terrestrial anti-aircraft
weapons. As one retired Air Force general recently put it, "We
don't want a fair fight. We want to win decisively."
Bait and Switch
Another source of the flak the F-22 is taking arises from the
perennial temptation to forego a near-term defense expenditure in
favor of an outlay that is farther off. In recent years,
Democratic critics of the Pentagon have made an art form of this
gambit, promising to support the next program as long as the
present one is terminated, only to oppose its successor when its
turn comes. Even normally responsible Republicans are susceptible
to this siren's song when, as has been the case with the F-22,
the estimated production costs have inexorably grown as the
various technical challenges associated with this extraordinary
plane's development have been overcome.
The alternative some prefer is to skip the F-22 and procure
instead another promising aircraft called the Joint Strike
Fighter (JSF), now in the early stages of development. Estimates
of the multi-service, multi-mission, multi-mode JSF's ultimate
price tag and performance characteristics, however, are currently
as soft as the F-22's used to be. If anything, the JSF may cost
more than the F-22 when the former reaches the latter's level of
programmatic maturity.
Others favor a two-step procurement strategy, involving the
purchase first of up-to-date versions of the F-15 and F-16 as a
stop-gap awaiting the maturing of the JSF, which would then be
purchased in quantity when it becomes available. Producing
modernized F-15s and -16s is probably a good idea under all
circumstances, but it would be a mistake to kill the F-22 (which
would be the practical effect of the proposed delay in
production) to pay for it.
The Coming 'DoD Train Wreck'
The painful truth is that the problem is far larger than the fate
of the F-22, or even that of the Pentagon's aviation account more
generally. This reality is evident in the fact that House
appropriators found lots of areas into which to reallocate the
roughly $1.5 billion sought by the Clinton Administration for the
purpose of producing the first six F-22s.
An impressive analysis conducted by Dr. Dan Goure of the Center
for Strategic and International Studies and Jeffrey Ranney, a
strategic planner at the defense
[CTRL] Bards Special Forces Alert
-Caveat Lector- There are elements of the 82nd and the hundred-and worst that are always on alert. They always rotate between the "ready" and "support" brigades. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 4:18 PM Subject: [ThePentagonGuru] Fwd: UN/NATO Forces in U.S. I just forward 'em . interesting . Subj: Fwd: (no subject) Date: 7/18/99 4:10:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bard) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 12:05 PM *** I MUST STRESS that this information has not yet been coraborated by more than one source, that source being a member of the 5th Special Forces Group. I am in the process of doing that validation process now. DO NOT run off in a panic - merely investigate as throughly and as quickly as possible *** I just received this from a source I consider impecable. Please pass on. July 17,1999 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) ON ALERT! --- The 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, was placed on alert today. The dispatch came from an associate of mine I knew during my 2 years in the 5th Special Forces Group, who is stationed at Fort Campbell, with ties (still) to our "home" base, Ft. Bragg. It would be interesting to know the Military's reasoning for this drastic move. Information also indicates that the 82nd Airborne Division has also been placed on alert. I'm being told that the (reason) for this is the possible use of U.S. Troops against U.S. citizens either in the coming attack against the Patriot/Milita communities (reported to be on 8/4/99) in which they would be used either as backup troops to the UN/NATO forces already in position, or as "Peacekeeping" troops for the entire Western region where these attacks will take place, keeping the remainder of the American populace restrainted and under control. Another reason I've been given is the same "Peacekeeping" roll for the entire country after the "Nuking" of the East and West coasts by the Russians (reported to be sometime between (9/9 - 9/14), keeping the remainder of the American populace under control, under martial law. *** I MUST STRESS that this information has not yet been coraborated by more than one source, that source being a member of the 5th Special Forces Group. I am in the process of doing that validation process now. DO NOT run off in a panic - merely investigate as throughly and as quickly as possible.. J.W. Swedenburg THE NEW AMERICAN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Quinn theme song
-Caveat Lector- Dear Friends: Anyone wanting opening theme song from Quinn's Morning radio show out of Pittsburgh, please let me know and I'll send to you? God Bless Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MRC: Chappaquiddick a Kennedy Tragedy; Rather Fooled ...
-Caveat Lector- I think Howard Stern is a symptom of postmodernism. When everything becomes a spectacle, a soundbite, a media event, then subjects collapse, or in terms of postmodernist jargon--they're de-centered. Most of us (at least, those of us who are still relatively sane) are still concerned with a search for truth, but from the Howard Stern perspective, we're idiots for our insistence that the dots can be connected to form pictures...and the pictures can still be rationally grasped by the mind. The Sternites are operating under the illusion that history has ended. We are now in a postmodern consumer paradise in which the search for meaning is no longer an issue. According to this logic, all discourses are equally validand if truth is just a matter of aesthetics or individual "style," then ethical issues are just a matter of choice... It's an extreme form of solipsism, but it works in a society that now holds up consumption and profit-making as its ultimate goal. An interesting part of Stern's repertoire is his humiliation and debasement of women. This seems to be a real turn-on with his followers...I guess it relates to male anxieties...particularly adolescent white American male anxieties about women in general. But some social theorists argue that the Amerikan system, with its emphasis on instant gratification and commodification of every aspect of cultural life, is sliding in the direction of a pornutopia. After all, the market is designed to provide us with EVERY kind of gratification... Just look at the net. Although there are individuals who are accessing educational/information sites...much of the net offerings are masturbatory... On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-19 23:06:02 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) Even after a "Coast Guard Lieutenant" referred to Bababooey and Howard Stern, Dan Rather believed his report: "This just in, the Coast Guard Lieutenant says they have found debris." ABC also gullibly put on a Stern fan, but Peter Jennings realized it. Anyone else happen to catch Soledad O'Brien apparently interviewing a "witness" on MS-NBC when he blurted out --live on the air-- "Howard Stern says you're a whore"? Why this guerrilla campaign of juvenile crudeness? JFK Jr dies, Howie Stern farts? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Kennedy Plane Speed of Descent.........
-Caveat Lector- Original Message- From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy So it plummetted to the water faster than would be anticipated.when is someone going to ask the obvious question: Could it have been sabotage??? Lloyd Sez: No! We cannot ask that question. More important than a possible high level murder is discouraging the idea that high level murders for political reasons could possibly happen! *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364 *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: People Asking Questions (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: From another list I'm on: Question: I am not a pilot, or an airplane mechanic, so I ask this from a position of ignorance and seek responses from those more expert. I was reading the accounts of the plane accident, and from what I could make of it, the plane was on its final descent to land. Approximate speed was something under 100 mph, given the top speed of the plane was about 150 mph. The pieces being found are things like pieces of seats, one wheel, a wing strut, a piece of landing gear, etc. In other words, small pieces of a very badly broken apart plane, a plane whose fuselage was ripped apart badly enough to tear the very seats apart. Does this seem logical to you? The pieces descriptions sound to me like what would happen if the plane exploded, not something that would happen if it ditched in the water on final approach. Am I just ignorant here? Yes. Water would be like concrete at the speed it *might have* hit. The speed you cite is horizontal, not vertical. Find the WEIGHT of the plane, the cited altitude and utilize some Physics for a better 'picture'. It is quite possible that the plane was in a 'powered dive' when it hit the water -- which could certainly exceed its horizontal maximum speed. You could only 'guess' the speed at impact, but assuming the plane merely 'dropped' from the last reported altitude will provide its MINIMUM (or approximate since weights of the passengers, fuel and luggage would have to be estimated). Regard$, --MJ There is no authority except facts. Facts are obtained by accurate observation. Deductions are to be made only from facts. -- William Boeing DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Predictions: Pope John XXIII (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- This stuff is so convenient...too convenient. MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: -Caveat Lector- PREDICTIONS FROM THE DIARY OF POPE JOHN THE 23rd INTRODUCTION BY ART BELL: I have not been able to confirm whether this is true or false. What I have here is an article from a publication called Insight. The name of the article is "A pope's predictions to the year 2000". I warn you, some of this may be disconcerting to many of you. I also want to preface it with what they have prefaced the article with: THE EDITOR'S NOTE: The following is from the diary of Pope John the 23rd who reigned from 1958 to 1963. This copy that appears in total was distributed by certain groups in several Catholic churches in metro Manila. The world will suffer through a painful period of violent wars, deadly famine, and destructive natural disasters over the next eight years. But that nightmare will be followed by a lengthily stretch of love and harmony, a beautiful serene heaven on earth. Those startling predictions come from the sensational lost diary of Pope John the 23rd, the beloved Pontiff who died June 23,1963. The dusty, leather bound diary containing hand written predictions was found by a Vatican cleaning woman who was sorting through boxes stacked in a little used storage room. The entries clearly spell out the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the Vietnam war, the unrest in the Middle East, and the fall of communism years before they took place. Later entries call for even more troubled times. Pope John had periodic visits from both Jesus end the Virgin Mary says a reverend who has poured over the wondrous tales. These sessions in the Pope's chambers resulted in fantastic glimpses into the future of mankind. The Pope was saddened to learn that conditions will get much worse before they take a sudden sensational turn in the year 2000 that will return the world to the pristine beauty that was here for Adam and Eve. Pope John writes of *heavenly visitors arriving by June of 1995 in flaming chariots of steel*. These special visitors will arrive at the height of despair and help man heal his wounds and work together to right all the horrible wrongs. *(SPACE SHIPS)... Father DeAngelo, now 73 years old has agreed to release some of the diary entries made between February of 1959 and April of 1963. The scrawled messages reveal a frightened and excited Pontiff who decided to keep his meetings with Christ and the Madonna a secret. The first appearance of Christ took place February l2th,1959. Pope John notes quote "Dear God, I have been blessed like no man before me. The Savior has granted me a special audience here in my chambers. He tells me that I've been chosen to hear the truth no matter how awful it may be. It scares me a bit to be so entrusted, but I am honored all the same. Jesus tells me the Virgin Mary will come soon to deliver the first news of what will be. Now the diary entries: ENTRIES FROM THE DIARY OF POPE JOHN THE 23rd April 7,1959 She is more beautiful than I had ever imagined. The Madonna is a joy to behold. I just wish her message was a more positive one. She says in four years time the world will loose a great leader and a powerful nation will find itself involved in a conflict it can not win. The fighting will take its toll on the battlefield and from within as the population despises the loss of its young men. The Holy Mother sheds tears as she describes the heart-breaking vision. August 17,1959 The Madonna's second visit is much like the first. She speaks sadly of unrest in her home land, a change in the balance of power, and much blood being spilled in the sand. She says several madmen will send their people into battles in the name of God, but the Creator has nothing to do with these senseless struggles among brothers. January 30,1960 Christ comes to me again. I yearn to tell my fellow Christians of these miraculous appearances, but I am advised to keep quiet until the time is right. I can not help but think I could perhaps head off some of the trouble that looms for us all. But Christ tells me that misery must take place for the master plan to succeed. June 13,1960 The Virgin Mary says the world will get a false sense of hope 30 years from now when the chains of repression are shattered throughout Eastern Europe. The joy however, will be short lived as the freed people fight among themselves on how to run their countries. Thousands of poor innocent children will perish due to the foolishness of their fathers. March 6,1961 Just when I thought my heavenly visits were over, the Madonna comes to me once again. She seems tired of the heartache she must share with me. My heart aches to see Her hurting so. The news again foreboding. The early 1990's will be a period of deadly natural disasters. She says paradise will be struck by powerful winds and waves while killer floods and earthquakes will shatter
[CTRL] Fw: Was John John murdered by the Illuminati?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: Was John John murdered by the "Illuminati"? Was John John murdered by the "Illuminati"? We remember the little boy in a shorts suit saluting the casket of his murdered father, and we are saddened to realize the truth behind the current event regarding John John Kennedy. His father and uncle murdered because they bucked the plans of the Illuminati, the son has apparently met with a similar fate. We also know that his mother was also murdered before her time, in a conspiracy including doctors who were convinced that Jackie Kennedy could not be given the opportunity to spill her guts before she died, and so she was premeditatedly murdered by the murderers of her husband, and their associates. The apparent death of John John Kennedy is a terrible national tragedy in which one family has lost its favorite son, another family has lost two of their daughters, and a twin has lost her kindred spirit. It seems that the death of John John Kennedy leaves only one direct descendant left of the family of President John F. Kennedy, and we warn Caroline Kennedy about the possible fate that awaits her, should she not take precautions to protect herself. With the technology that we know exists out there in the world, we assert that any disaster that occurs is a controllable act which was somehow allowed to happen by the Illuminati families. Thus, there are several suspicious aspects about this tragedy which raise the following questions; 1) After the travelers were reported missing, why was the emergency locator transmitter (ELT) beacon which was heard for a short time not considered as a primary lead in the case and why was a search not immediately performed in the area directly indicated by that beacon? 2) We know that there are satellites in orbit which have the ability to track flights such as this, and which perform that exact spying task on a regular basis. Why did not the agencies that have access to that satellite technology not funnel information about the flight to the appropriate authorities? 3) After the missing travelers were reported, why was not a search begun immediately afterwards, and why did it take so long for that search to commence (7:30 AM Saturday morning)? 4) If the plane was tracked on radar as has been reported (last reported radar tracking at 9:40 PM Friday night), why was not that tracking information used to initiate an immediate search in the area of the reported dramatic descent of the plane? 5) Could that dramatic descent have been prompted by some sort of unnatural disaster or invasive interference which was perpetrated upon the Kennedy plane? 6) Since so many people are declaring and decrying a "Kennedy Curse," why do not these same people consider a proactive conspiracy of revenge as the real truth in the matter? 7) Is it true that John John knew that he could run for the U.S. Senate out of New York and then run for the U.S. Presidency, and easily win both offices, and is it true that he was organizing his future plans with this in mind? 8) Who is this "private pilot" Kyle Bailey who was reportedly the last person to see John John alive in New Jersey and who has seized upon this opportunity to propel himself into the limelight, and then disappeared as quickly as he came into the public eye, and what are all the permutations and possibilities regarding his potential role in this entire tragedy? 9) Why has this entire search and rescue operation been executed as inefficiently as it has, why did search of the suspected areas take so long to initiate, and why has so little debris been found of the plane? At some time very shortly after 9:40 PM Friday night 7/16/99 (9:40:20 as has been reported by several sources), while maintaining an altitude of 2200 feet above sea level, an invasive interference within John John's Piper-Saratoga airplane caused the plane to plunge into a rapid descent which resulted in radar tracking of altitudes of 1900 feet at 9:40:24, 1600 feet at 9:40:29, and 1100 feet at 9:40:34, indicating a rapid accelerating descent which most likely occurred due to mechanical failure, sabotage, or an external force of some sort impacting the integrity of the structure of the airplane. It has most recently been reported that John John had told Pierre Sallinger some time in the past that he planned to initiate a political career sometime in the 21st century, most likely running for the U.S. Senate in 2004 or 2006 and then setting his sights on the U.S. Presidency sometime later. Thus, it is our conclusion that it is most likely that John John Kennedy was murdered by the same people who murdered his father, his uncle, Martin Luther King, and many other people who have had an impact on the American political scene in the past several decades. Because of the vicious attacks being flung around by the media and other
Re: [CTRL] Kennedy Plane Speed of Descent.........
-Caveat Lector- Lloyd Sez: Please stop the unfounded speculation! Sabotage is just as likely given the evidence so far as is vertigo That rate of descent would be expected if he was experiencing vertigo, and flew right into the water without realizing that's what he was doing. It's a common accident with inexperienced pilots in low visibility conditions. It has happened before and will happen again. -- Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 7n2ll5$77i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman) wrote: So it plummetted to the water faster than would be anticipated.when is someone going to ask the obvious question: Could it have been sabotage??? That rate of descent would be expected if he was experiencing vertigo, and flew right into the water without realizing that's what he was doing. It's a common accident with inexperienced pilots in low visibility conditions. It has happened before and will happen again. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Cultural Warfare: An Old Story with Current Relevance
-Caveat Lector- Well, you're absolutely right about this, nessie. And some of the neolib enthusiasts subscribe to our list. Our current malaise began with the elimination of JFK...his murder was followed by the murder of Bobby, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolmand probably a host of others who also met with 'mysterious' deaths... When the opposition was in disarray, the national security state went into overdrive with its many clandestine operations.. Next, came the indoctrination of TWO generations of Americans who would learn to follow orders and march to the militarist tune they were playing. It was a masterful job of propaganda... and it was brilliantly coordinated. Look at the plethora of crackpot, right-wing think tanks that magically sprouted up like so many weeds during the seventies and eighties. And look at the role talk radio played in pushing the American people to the extreme right. Hollywood came out with one pro-war movie after another. "The powers that be" felt that American youth were getting too soft they had to be toughened up, get back into that old ass-kicking mood. How else would they be able to keep the empire going. Another essential arm of the propaganda mill was the religious right. The elite needed a number of wedge issues to further divide the population: abortion, women's rights, prayer in schools, "family values," etc. It was a masterful campaign. Like lemmings going off a cliff, the American people have been herded along...as the master illusionists (the politicos, spin doctors and ideological quacks) work their word magic, poisoning the wellspring of public discourse. But even elites must now and then bow to the will of the people. ...Major concessions are occasionally won, now and then. I'm guardedly optimistic...only in the sense that I think the demographics of the place are changing drastically... In a decade or two ( if we don't look that way now), the US will resemble South Africa under the old apartheid system... A few rich old white geezers holding all the wealth, with a vast white-brown-black-yellow underclass living in poverty... It's going to be hard to maintain our social myths and fictions in view of the hard reality that is already here On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ Folks: This review of a recent book on the cultural cold war waged by the CIA is relevant to the current struggle over fundamental issues such as indigenous autonomy. The book apparently tells a story that few people have known outside the intelligence community and those that follow it. There were a few articles published on the Congress for Cultural Freedom in The Nation magazine back in the fifties, I believe, and so the story is not unknown. But it has been mostly forgotten. Today in Mexico and in the US there is a very hot war between neoliberalism and the rest of us, especially those with living alternatives, such as the Zapatista communities. Part of the war is assasination, harassement, torture and displacement. But part of the war is propaganda and ideology. For thirty years we have been treated to a coordinated campaign to sell free market ideology. It was a campaign shaped in the wake of the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s that undercut the legitimacy of capitalism and of existing political institutions. It has been financed by the state and by Right and Liberal foundations,a nd perhaps by the CIA as in the earlier period. The main point, it seems to me, is not who funds such efforts but that we understand their nature, their goals and the need to expose and undermine them. A little historical perspective is usually an excellent ally in such a task. I, for one, plan on getting this book and reading it carefully to flesh out what I have learned about this in the past. Harry Originally From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] MONDAY BOOK: THE INTELLIGENTSIA AND THE CIA A grainy black-and-white photograph from the Fifties graces the cover of Frances Stonor Saunders's new history of the CIA's cultural cold warriors. Four men sit hunched round a table strewn with the remains of a meal; there are wine glasses smeared with fingerprints and the dregs of a bottle, while an afternoon sun slants through large windows. One man throws a menacing glance over his shoulder at the photographer. That look, and this clutch of figures, speak volumes about the mission of that tight network of intellectuals and espionage agents who worked alongside the CIA to promote the ideal of a new age of enlightenment - the pax Americana. Fearful of the Soviet Union's cultural influence, the agency operated a sophisticated cultural front to win over leftist artists and their audiences. This was the cold
[CTRL] Alert: UN soldiers in USA
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Alan DeWalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 21 July 1999 13:09 Subject: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: You'd never guess...] - This is a reliable source. Doc In a message dated 07/20/1999 4:02:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Fw: You'd never guess... Date: 07/20/1999 4:02:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Teddie) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Patriots, I received this tonight and am sending it on to others. This person is an ex-marine and has been in the military on special mauevers and is very familiar with miliary weapons and vehicles and choppers. I know him and would trust him with my life and my kids lives. I would stake my life on his reliability. Please alert others to watch the highways. These convoys must pass through towns and highways. Find out who is enabling these convoys to buy gas and food etc. WE are still Amercian citizens and they are still the enemy. Isn't there a law that says giving comfort to the enemy is treason? PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. Anyone in that area, please check it out and get back to me. Everyone else get cameras, the disposable ones if you have to and guard the highways and take pictures of everything you see out of the ordinary. Any convoys, large missile shaped things. Anything. The countdown has started. PLEASE ! GET OUT THERE. WATCH EVERYTHING. Mark the time and if possible follow and mark the place these are refueling and eating. Time to get busy. God Bless America, TEDDIEBEAR -Original Message- From: suppressed To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:13 PM Subject: You'd never guess... Hello again Teddy!! I just came from the bank over in Mooresvile. You would never guess what I just saw!! I was traveling west on I-70 between exit 59 and exit 51.( my exit) (( Living out here has it's disadvantages too, real civiliaztion is 25 miles away!)) ANYWAY, I saw a truck moving up quickly behind me, with it's lights on. I moved back to the right lane. Trucks began to pass me. Olive drab semis. with flat bed trailers, hauling LAV's!!! 9 trucks in all. All were white with clear UN markings. Imagine that, the enemy in the heartland!! I moved back up and passed the seventh truck( I had to get into the median a little) I got right in the middle of their convoy. ( I realize that isn't too safe) But I strattled the dotted line and slowed to 55!!! Laughing my ass off, suddenly there was a chopper, black no marking about 200' above me. So i got off the Interstate onto the shoulder and they went past. I got off at Exit 51 a miles down the road. I was stopped by jack-booted, gastapo looking fella in front of the country mart. I wwas told not to do it again, that I would be violating some UN directive and blah, blah, blah. I asked to see thier papers and just then charlie, owner of the mart( a friend of mine) came over. He talked to one of the men and they left. He said that I was a Stupid Fool for doing what I did. hesaid that they have been moving hardware weekly to the Air National Guard base at Brazil, IN. He has orders from the US Gov't to give free fuel to these trucks if needed and he would be reimbursed. He told me that the checks her gets are from the Department of Justice Imagine that. I guess it's time to stop being so nice and time to start keepingthe Mp5 in the truck. I hace heard stories and seen articles, but never has it happened to me!!! Now I believe it all. Now what do I do? Luv ya, SURPRESSED DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] John John
-Caveat Lector- I've been away for a bit and just returned. Don't know whether the following has already been discussed regarding the downing of John Jr.'s plane http://www.trufax.org/hotmail/montauk.html and then, on another list, someone posted this, saying--and I certainly can't verify this-- that it was tested last Friday Big Bang machine could destroy Earth by Jonathan Leake Science Editor A NUCLEAR accelerator designed to replicate the Big Bang is under investigation by international physicists because of fears that it might cause "perturbations of the universe" that could destroy the Earth. One theory even suggests that it could create a black hole. Brookhaven National Laboratories (BNL), one of the American government's foremost research bodies, has spent eight years building its Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) on Long Island in New York state. A successful test-firing was held on Friday and the first nuclear collisions will take place in the autumn, building up to full power around the time of the millennium. Last week, however, John Marburger, Brookhaven's director, set up a committee of physicists to investigate whether the project could go disastrously wrong. It followed warnings by other physicists that there was a tiny but real risk that the machine, the most powerful of its kind in the world, had the power to create "strangelets" - a new type of matter made up of sub-atomic particles called "strange quarks". The committee is to examine the possibility that, once formed, strangelets might start an uncontrollable chain reaction that could convert anything they touched into more strange matter. The committee will also consider an alternative, although less likely, possibility that the colliding particles could achieve such a high density that they would form a mini black hole. In space, black holes are believed to generate intense gravitational fields that suck in all surrounding matter. The creation of one on Earth could be disastrous. Professor Bob Jaffe, director of the Centre for Theoretical Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is on the committee, said he believed the risk was tiny but could not be ruled out. "There have been fears that strange matter could alter the structure of anything nearby. The risk is exceedingly small but the probability of something unusual happening is not zero." Construction of the £350m RHIC machine started eight years ago and is almost complete. On Friday scientists sent the first beam of particles around the machine - but without attempting any collisions. Inside the collider, atoms of gold will be stripped of their outer electrons and pumped into one of two 2.4-mile circular tubes where powerful magnets will accelerate them to 99.9% of the speed of light. The ions in the two tubes will travel in opposite directions to increase the power of the collisions. When they smash into each other, at one of several intersections between the tubes, they will generate minuscule fireballs of superdense matter with temperatures of about a trillion degrees - 10,000 times hotter than the sun. Such conditions are thought not to have existed - except possibly in the heart of some dense stars - since the Big Bang that formed the universe between 12 billion and 15 billion years ago. Under such conditions atomic nuclei "evaporate" into a plasma of even smaller particles called quarks and gluons. Theoretical and experimental evidence predicts that such a plasma would then emit a shower of other, different particles as it cooled down. Among the particles predicted to appear during this cooling are strange quarks. These have been detected in other accelerators but always attached to other particles. RHIC, the most powerful such machine yet built, has the ability to create solitary strange quarks for the first time since the universe began. BNL confirmed that there had been discussion over the possibility of "perturbations in the universe". Thomas Ludlam, associate project director of RHIC, said that the committee would hold its first meeting shortly. John Nelson, professor of nuclear physics at Birmingham University who is leading the British scientific team at RHIC, said the chances of an accident were infinitesimally small - but Brookhaven had a duty to assess them. "The big question is whether the planet will disappear in the twinkling of an eye. It is astonishingly unlikely that there is any risk - but I could not prove it," he said. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no
[CTRL] Fw: Part 1, COLUMBINE Other Gov't Massacres
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: John DiNardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.politics,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.freedom,talk.politics.guns Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:21 AM Subject: Part 1, COLUMBINE Other Gov't Massacres Part 1, COLUMBINE More Gov't Engineered Massacres ~ Folks, there is an abundance of circumstantial evidence in the United States and in Europe indicating that the Columbine Massacre was engineered by black operations specialists within the national intelligence apparatus. It has become apparent that the New World Order has adopted the same tactics and techniques that were used by the Nazi Party to seize power in Weimar Germany of the 1930's. This earlier historical strategy of state terror was termed "the Politics of Tension" by the surviving heirs of Hitler's and Mussolini's intelligence corps in Europe following the surrender of Germany at the end of the Second World War. The story of how and why American intelligence rescued and promoted, instead of destroying, Hitler's Gehlen-led spy network, is one that has been largely ignored by the complicitous mass media for the past half-century. Little wonder that the mass media chooses to withhold this profoundly crucial story from the people, considering that the CIA has maintained supervision and direction of mainstream newspapers, magazines and television networks for decades. These episodic reports are done with a sense of urgency, rather than with prime regard for meticulous organization. So, when you see story lines branching out in diverse directions, and with organization neither by paragraph nor by thought, please understand the urgent need to give you the essence of this tangled and sordid web of evil, because that evil is sweeping over your life and mine. And time becomes more precious as it runs out. How soon and how close to your daughter and my son will come the next Columbine massacre? You can see that I'm going to need your help on this, since this story is much too big for one man to cover alone. So please stay close; research the names, titles, events, places and dates that I'll be throwing out, and then compose your own reports for broadcast to the Internet and whatever other communications media to which we can gain access. Our children are under assault by zombified shooters in their school corridors, and this assault is only the beginning stage of a nationwide assault on Americans' freedom to live, to earn a decent living, and to enjoy a lifetime of contentment. So, work with me, folks. I need your help in order to search out this vital evidence and present it to the media-deluged people, media-deluded people, while they still have the time and openness of mind to recognize that termites have deeply infested the structural members of our beloved home, America, and that our house is about to collapse upon all our heads. Intelligence researcher Dave Emory has earned the credit for much of this vital information. The first thing you should do is go to www.spitfirelist.com, peruse the myriad of descriptions of archived radio broadcast tapes that Dave Emory has done over the years as a broadcaster on KFJC-FM radio, out of Foothills College in Los Altos Hills, California. Order some of Dave's extremely valuable and esoteric broadcast tapes, and then do your own research from there. The story begins with ODESSA. ODESSA is an acronym for veterans of the Nazi military apparatus. ... When it became apparent that Germany was going to lose the war, many of Hitler's highest officers made a deal with the OSS, the United States Office of Strategic Services, our spy agency, soon to become the Central Intelligence Agency. Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen, in particular, was(is) a man whom the OSS felt it needed as desperately as Gehlen needed to save his neck from the Nuremburg executioner, for Gehlen alone had developed an intelligence network capable of dealing with the emerging Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), the mortal enemy of the American capitalist system. OSS chief Wild Bill Donovan and future Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles ushered nazi Gehlen and his intelligence staff into the warm, protective wings of America's ultra-secret "Puzzle Palace" (the title of a worthwhile book on the CIA which you might ask your librarian to search out and lend to you). . . . In moving more directly toward the Columbine Massacre through this vast field of intelligence information encompassing acres of data and decades of time, let us examine the Stockton Schoolyard Massacre, an event having a body of related facts which cast deep suspicion upon black operations specialists within the national intelligence apparatus. . . . In 1989, Patrick Edward Purdy opened fire with an automatic rifle on Asian-American schoolchildren in the schoolyard of the Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California. Note the congruence of
Re: [CTRL] Scottish Highland PIPERs JFK JR.
-Caveat Lector- And please recall the motto of the Black Watch! Nobody wounds us with impunity! JFK had challenged the world hegemony of the British Crown! He had wounded the British Empire, but not with impunity! -Original Message- From: John McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.freemasonry,alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.illuminati,alt.fan.art -bell Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:57 PM Subject: Scottish Highland PIPERs JFK JR. Someone pointed out to me that the last event attended by JFK, Sr and JFK Jr at the White House was a show by the Scottish Highland Pipers known as the "Black Guard" or something similar. Anyone recall the name? Now a Scotsman, wins the British Open. transmit wrote: The third anniversary of the TWA Flight 800 explosion, which occurred off of the coast of Long Island after taking off from John F. Kennedy Airport, was Saturday, July 17th, 1999. It is also on this day that many woke up to the news that a small plane carrying John F. Kennedy, Jr. had dissapeared, and that a search was under way off of the coast of Long Island. JFK Jr.'s plane was called the Piper Saratoga and was manufactured by The New Piper Aircraft, Inc., in Vero Beach, FL. The plane was piloted by JFK Jr., and was carrying his wife and wife's sister to a wedding for cousin Rory Kennedy. According to legend, each time a Kennedy is married, a ghostly apparition of a piper is seen haunting near an oval staircase in Culzean Castle, Ayrshire, Scotland, a former Kennedy stronghold. 'Vero' Beach, Florida, takes it's name from the Latin 'Veritas,' and is the plural form of the Latin word 'Verus.' The adverb for Verus is Vero which means, in truth, or in fact. Therefore, the fact that piper JFK was heading toward a wedding could have been discerned with no knowledge of it at all. In order to understand the mixing of places and things it is necessary to understand the explosion of TWA Flight 800. In the year 1996, the times of Ancient Greece were invoked as Atlanta was chosen to be the site of the '96 Olympic Games. 4 weeks prior to the event, Olympian officials met in Athens to perform a ritual within which the rays of the sun was focused upon a mirror, which in turn was directed onto an olive branch. The olive branch became alit, and the high priestess used it to light the infamous Olympic Torch of Athens. Present was one Hillary Rodham Clinton. Elementalism, in alchemy, refers to the manipulation of matter. It consists of spells by which the "sorceror" reshapes and/or bends reality to concentrate existing physical phenomena in order to achieve desired effects. The result is said to be a spell effect, which pro- duces a (sometimes) uncontrollable trigger-effect. "Symbolic Archi- tecture of the mind" concerns the mind when it is viewed as a process within which symbols are manipulated. The symbols are transferred be- twixt memory stores such as long and short term memory, and are acted upon by specific sets of rules. The first two sites of the first modern Olympic Games were Athens, Greece, and Paris, France. In Greek Mythology, a tournament took place wherein Zeus appointed a man named Paris to select among three battling candidates, the winner of which would become the goddess. The goddess was then delivered a torch and instructed to hold it at 45 degrees, as opposed to directly upward. She was then the goddess over the "Apple of Discord." TWA Flight 800 came from Athens, Greece, and was enroute to Paris, France. It was downed minutes upon departure from New York City, where at 40.5 degrees the Statue of Liberty holds an enflamed torch. Athens, Greece and Atlanta were all "candidates" in competition to become the lofty site of the 1996 Olympic Games. Atlanta won, and the explosion of TWA Flight 800 became a symbolic delivery of a burning torch to the winning candidate, Atlanta, which resides 45 degrees below the "Big Apple," New York. Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason and lived at 1313 Anaheim Boulevard in recognition of the year 1313. Jim Garrison, when investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy, arrested individuals operating out of a New Orleans apartment bearing the number 1313. "New Orleans Square" in Disneyworld is the location of the super-secret "Club 33" of which membership is only granted by payment of a very high price and initiation. The "TWA Moonliner" attraction stood in "Tomorrowland" within Disney- world as a "land - mark" on its Opening Day, July 17th, 1955. Exactly 41 years later, July 17th, 1996, "Tomorrowland" became "Todayland" as TWA Flight 800 was blown out of the sky amidst the silver lining of the moon. "TWA Moonliner" at Disneyworld was renamed in 1975 to "Mission to Mars" and is now located next to "Triton's Gardens," an attraction which commemorates the Greek Mythological son of Poseidon and Amphitrite. One year after the TWA Flight 800 Disaster, present in the
Re: [CTRL] Bow-Wake?
-Caveat Lector- All conventional warfare is obsolete now considering the ultra-secret and NWO SDI developements of the last ten years, which we have NOT been privy to. Let me go way out on a limb here and use my awesome psychic powers to venture a wild guess. You DON'T live in Yugoslavia. Right? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Guns Are People Power
-Caveat Lector- Proof Positive: Gun Control Increases Violent Crime The Latest Data from Australia One year ago gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms, including semi-automatic .22 rifles and shotguns. The program cost the government over $500 million. The results are in...a dramatic increase in criminal activity. At the end of 1997, after the first 12 months of being in effect, the data show the following: -Australia-wide: -homicides are up 3.2% -assaults are up 8.6% -armed-robberies are up 44% -unarmed robberies are up 21% -unlawful entries are up 3.9% -motor vehicle thefts are up 6.1% -In the state of Victoria: -the overall murder rate increased by 18 percent -homicides committed with firearms are up 300% (over the previous 25 years, there was a steady decrease in homicides involving firearms. This was dramatically reversed 12 months ago with the imposition of the draconian gun control scheme) There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly [Source: Australian Bureau of Statistics] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bow-Wake?
-Caveat Lector- Yeah and all this hocus pocus doesn't matter a wit to us eitherthats what I am saying...warfare is way beyond anything we can imagine but what happens when THAT information gets loose? No Control, and we know about control don't we? Sorry if the point was unclear. Just because its obsolete doesn't mean they won't keep using it, where its either Not obsolete, or the people are unaware, and if the people cannot retaliate, say they have given up their guns, then they can just use cops with baseball bats...we have paid for weapons systems to protect a few people against US, the mass, AND ANY EVENTUALITY ARISING THEREFROM...while allowing those few elite to wreak havoc wherever and however they chose. I think I used to live near Yugoslavia once, in a past life, thats why all the funny rock carving tattoos. I think I made crop circles too! :)_} nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- All conventional warfare is obsolete now considering the ultra-secret and NWO SDI developements of the last ten years, which we have NOT been privy to. Let me go way out on a limb here and use my awesome psychic powers to venture a wild guess. You DON'T live in Yugoslavia. Right? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: People Asking Questions (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
From another list I'm on:
I was reading the accounts of the plane accident, and from what I
could make of it, the plane was on its final descent to land.
Approximate speed was something under 100 mph, given the top
speed of the plane was about 150 mph. The pieces being found are
things like pieces of seats, one wheel, a wing strut, a piece of
landing gear, etc. In other words, small pieces of a very badly
broken apart plane, a plane whose fuselage was ripped apart badly
enough to tear the very seats apart. Does this seem logical to
you? The pieces descriptions sound to me like what would happen
if the plane exploded, not something that would happen if it
ditched in the water on final approach. Am I just ignorant here?
Right now, I'm reading several reports that says that it had
'plummeted' at 53 mph. And, they say in other reports that it
descended 1400 ft in 7 seconds. That would be about 120 mph
vertical descent? That's the "official" word on it. Most reports
agree, however, that he was "plummeting" at a rate of 4,700 feet
per minute, which is roughly 53 mph, less than a mile a minute,
and he was less than half a mile up.
Even at 53 mph VERTICAL descent, that's 4664 FEET PER MINUTE!!
That's way way more than that plane is capable of...i.e., rated
for.
Well, I say it got TAGGED! Ain't NOTHIN that coulda caused that,
i.e., logically speaking, out side of a SUICIDE DIVE, or getting
TAGGED!
Yes.
Water would be like concrete at the speed it *might have* hit.
My dad has 3000 combat hours piloting B-17s and B-25s in WWII and
Korea, and a few hundred in single and dual engine private AC.
He says he was taught in military pilot training school that
hitting water at terminal velocity (i.e., 120 for a person spread
full eagle, 180 mph for the beach ball full of water they pushed
out of a plane during their training, i.e., depending on
aerodynamics) is EXACTLY the same as falling onto concrete (i.e.,
water would not abate the forces experienced in the initial
impact, AT ALL...not for a few milliseconds, anyway, and that
would be well AFTER all the damage had occurred).
The speed you cite is horizontal, not vertical. Find the WEIGHT
of the plane, the cited altitude and utilize some Physics for a
better 'picture'.
Descent acceleration is not dependent on weight or mass. In a
vacuum everything falls at the same rate, i.e., acceleration due
to the force of gravity. However, a plane (or it's wings,
pieces, etc.) would be MORE similar to a feather fluttering down,
i.e., much slower descent than an object in a vacuum, due to air
friction.
It is quite possible that the plane was in
a 'powered dive' when it hit the water -- which could certainly
exceed its horizontal maximum speed.
And, in a power dive, it could have FAR exceeded it's maximum
vertical descent rating...and, even though it woulda probably
come apart much before this, it could even exceed terminal
velocity. However, I seem to remember hearing that that plane
(Piper) was rated at a maximum of 2600 ft/min vertical descent,
i.e., recommended max for both remaining in control and in one
piece.
You could only 'guess' the speed at impact, but assuming the
plane merely 'dropped' from the last reported altitude will
provide its MINIMUM (or approximate since weights of the
passengers, fuel and luggage would have to be estimated).
Well, if the feather analogy holds, and it does, terminal
velocity would be the MAXIMUM possible IF engine off, and things
like the wings that would have vastly reduced this limit (due to
increased air friction), had come off.
Also, a plane like that usually has AT LEAST a 7 to 1 glide
ratio...i.e., if a mile up, it can, IF THE ENGINE DIES, glide a
MINIMUM OF SEVEN MILES.
Here's the way I reason it all so far:
The 53 mph (i.e., 4664 ft/min) is just the vertical COMPONENT of
the planes motion...as would be the read out on the altimeter.
There are also a few instruments that gauge the FORWARD vector of
a planes motion, i.e., its air speed, ground speed, etc. Then
there are a whole host of instruments to tell where the plane is
going in the perpendicular direction to forward vector, to
complete the 3-D aspects a plane moves in.
If the downward component was 4700 ft/min, there was also most
probably a forward air/ground speed as well...this one would
diminish if the plane's engine was disabled ...and if wind is
assumed to be an insignificant factor, would eventually fall to
zero IF the plane was stalled, spinning (anything but a
glide), i.e., eventually the horizontal component would approach
zero and the plane would be falling ("plummeting") straight
If the plane fell 1500 ft or so, it would have probably been
close to zero forward vector when it hit the water, and faster
than 4700 ft vertical descent (the 4700 ft/min they claim is an
average over
[CTRL] Cape Cod Times: Local Commercial Fisherman's Expertise Not Used In Search (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Found at: http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/jfk21fish.htm Fishermen question why their local expertise not sought by Kennedy investigators By NOELLE BARTON CONTRIBUTING WRITER and JOHN LEANING STAFF WRITER While the search continues on the ocean floor, commercial fishermen out of Menemsha harbor on Martha's Vineyard - where the state police dive team launches - are questioning why officials have not asked for their help to save time searching the sea bed. "My fish finder can tell what a wreck is and what a rock is," said Randy Moniz, a 22-year veteran fisher of the area. "This is like our backyard. We're more familiar with the bottom here because we've worked it all our lives." Moniz joined his colleague, Michael de Coninck, a member of the Massachusetts Marine Fisheries Commission, yesterday aboard de Coninck's red and white dragger, "Millpoint." While both expressed sadness over the tragedy, they said information they have could be vital to any search of the ocean floor off Gay Head, where fishermen learn by hard experience to steer clear of 40-foot boulders and a dozen ship wrecks and World War II-era aircraft. De Coninck and other commercial fishermen use electronically plotted maps of their past drags. He pointed to marks of several wrecks, rock piles and other debris on a map that he has assembled over 15 years of pulling nets through the search area of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s lost plane. Commercial draggers - boats that drag nets along the ocean floor - use the same equipment that the official search and recovery boats carry, de Coninck said. This includes a "Loran" navagating device, a plotter that pens the path of a drag onto paper lined with coordinates, a radar, and a fish finder - a picture producing device that can show any section of depth of the water. In addition, some commercial riggs carry global position systems and satellite navigation equipment, which are commonly used by search and recovery teams. The ocean floor off the southwest coast of Aquinnah is rocky from shore to about two or three miles off shore, de Coninck said. Just beyond that lies a swath of smooth, sandy bottom, where he and other fishermen drag their nets. If a net is snagged in wreckage, all of the in-water equipment can be ripped from the boat's deck, an event that shook de Coninck several years ago. A damaged net costs a fisherman about $2,500 to replace; the total value of the in-water equipment they use is about $7,000. The official search teams are using charts of the waters provided by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. In terms of debris or wreckage, the maps identify structures known to be a hazard to navigation -- such as the 30-feet-deep ridge that the Queen Elizabeth 2 ran upon in 1992 off Cuttyhunk Island. The two Fairhaven-based fishermen speculated as to why officials have not reached out to the fishermen to locate smaller debris areas despite the fact fishermen have offered their maps to the state police diving teams. "They're going to look foolish if they don't find it," Moniz said. "The last thing they want is some dumb fishermen coming over there and telling the military what to do." But Coast Guard officials yesterday 7/20, disagreed. maintaining they rely heavily on local knowledge. "They rely heavily on local knowledge," said Chief Petty Officer David Oney, at the search command center at Coast Guard Air Station Cape Cod. Oney said Coast Guard personnel at the Menemsha station on the Vineyard update their charts based on local knowledge, and "have a good relationship with local fishermen." Knowing beforehand where some of these obstructions are located would help save time locating the wreckage, said one Cape Cod diver familiar with the area. "If you have the knowns, look at the unknowns, at least first," said Eric Takakjian, a tugboat skipper and expert diver who has explored many wrecks in that area and in more dangerous waters, including the Andrea Doria off Nantucket. "There are a lot of other wrecks out there - fishing boats, World War II plane wrecks, including fighters and one four-engine bomber," Takakjian said. "There is a sand and gravel bottom, but there are a lot of boulders out there. Some are the size of a house, 30, 40 feet high." "Side-scan sonar is the way to do it, but the key is to know what's already out there so you don't waste time looking for stuff you know is there," he said. Throughout his career, de Coninck has pulled up wreckage from boats and planes, including a small airplane's landing gear and another's engine off the Nantucket coast. Gregory Mayhew, who captains the commercial dragger "Unicorn," said he was not surprised the dive team had discovered a big rock where sonar equipment had marked possible wreckage on Monday. "We thought, well, gee this is kind of crazy," he said. His brother, Jonathan Mayhew, also a commercial fisherman, spoke briefly with state police officials as they
[CTRL] WP: JFKjr set to interview Reno (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From a Drudge link: http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990720/V000631-072099-idx.html JFK Jr. Was Set to Interview Reno By Michael J. Sniffen Associated Press Writer Tuesday, July 20, 1999; 4:32 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- Before his death, John F. Kennedy Jr. was preparing to interview Attorney General Janet Reno for a fall issue of his magazine, George, focusing on women in politics, Clinton administration aides said Tuesday. Kennedy requested the interview by telephone and letter a couple of weeks ago and, to help advance his request, had made sure that Justice Department officials had copies of previous issues in which he had interviewed well-known public figures. Among those Kennedy previously interviewed were Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former White House press secretary Mike McCurry; Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan; evangelist Billy Graham; and Richard Mellon Scaife, a wealthy contributor to conservative groups. After an introduction by Kennedy, the interviews were published in question-and-answer format. At a State Department news conference, Albright was asked about her impressions of Kennedy based on his interview with her. ``When we had this interview, what impressed me so much was the seriousness of his questioning, and ... that he had a very fertile mind that allowed him to roam in the questioning, and that he was a sophisticated questioner and a very warm human being,'' Albright said. As a law student, Kennedy worked one summer in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division during the Reagan administration. Reno had decided on Thursday to go ahead with the interview, which was to run in the September issue of George. Kennedy's office was advised of her decision last Friday when an aide of his called to discuss possible dates for the interview, according to the administration aides, who requested anonymity. The fate of the interview, like that of the magazine itself, remains uncertain at this point. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ritual Satanic Abuse: Possible Masonic and Mormon influence
-Caveat Lector- 7/20/99 The following information is from : http://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/Sample-Issue-06.html Sincerely, Neil Brick The following article is compiled from information and quotes from the journal article "Deviant Scriptualism and Ritual Satanic Abuse Part Two: Possible Masonic, Mormon, Magick, and Pagan Influence," by professor Stephen A. Kent, Department of Sociology, University ofAlberta, Edmonton (Canada). His article was originally published by Religion (1993) 23, 355-367, c 1993 Academic press Limited. At the end of this article, further information about the author and journal will follow this article. Warning: this article contains descriptions of rituals, please read with caution. "...This study compares portions of people's accounts(using interviews and diaries from several alleged survivors), with doctrinal precedents for satanic ritual abuse in deviant interpretations of Masonic, Mormon, Magick and Pagan traditions... Just as parts of the Bible may provide direct inspiration or justification for satanic worshipers, so too may some of these same parts provide additional sanctification of satanic worship through aberrant Freemasonry." (Page 355) " at least five survivors from allegedly threeseparate groups have indicated that male ritual abusers whom they remember were also Masons" ."One person specifically recalls a satanic catechism session that seemingly took place in a Masonic lodge." (Page 355) The article goes on to discuss the word "Jahbulon," which isused in the 13th and 17th degrees of the Scottish rite. Masons agree this word is compounded of the names of three deities, the middle word Ba'al, and the original Masons that devised the word in the 1830's knew the word Ba'al 'was the devil'. "...with this mythological interpretation now in place, one easily could see how deviant Freemasons could either sanctify practices involving child-sacrifice to Ba'al or Molech or perhaps could be inspired to engage in them." (Page 356) Freemasonry believes that King Solomon directed the Masons in the construction of their temple. In the Biblical passage 1 Kings 11: 4-8, King Solomon "turned to the worship of Ashtoreth and Molech when he reached old age." (Page 356) In the Bible, these gods are seen as evil. "If, however, Masonic deviants wanted to find an allusion to Satan in their rituals, then they would be able to do so in the reference made in the third degree ritual to 'that bright morning star' which, biblically, was "Lucifer, son of the morning.' (Isaiah 14:12) (page 356) "...Masons frequently are willing to rent their lodges to appropriate individuals or organizations, and few if any questions would he asked about a fellow 'brother' who used the facilities (along with a few associates') from time to time.Satanic rituals could occur in Masonic lodges (as at least some survivors suggest in their stories) without respectable members knowing anything about them." (Page 357) Article writer's note: I remember several (at least three or four rooms and one very large room, with hundreds of people) rooms in the basement of the Masonic lodge allegedly used for torture, terrifying, raping, brainwashing and murder. Most of these rooms could not be used for anything else. "The Masonic critic, Martin Short, observed that "(t)he works of Albert Pike... and Aleister Crowley show that men preoccupied with paganism, the devil, and the occult are attracted to Masonry, if only (as in Crowley's case) on the way to somewhere else." (Page 357) Kent's article provides support for charges that Crowley was a Satanist, including his misogyny, his belief in sexual magick, his use of vaginal fluids, "...he provided instructions about worshipping a god of War and Vengeance, Ra-Hoor-Khuit ... (King, 1977, p.135). He indicated that (t)he best blood (for use in worship) is of the noon, monthly; then the fresh blood of a child Crowley recorded that devotees were to "(s)acrifice cattle big and little; after a child' (Crowley, 1972 p. 311)" (page 357). An evil spirit named Mercury informed Crowley and his magickal partner, Victor Neuberg, "'that the supreme act of sexual magic involved the rape, ritual murder, and dissection into nine pieces of the body of a young girl. The resulting chunks of flesh were to be offered as sacrifices to the immortal gods'" (King, 1977, p. 85) (page 358) Louise (a pseudonym), whose father was a Mason, remembers at age 3, "being sexually assaulted by a man in a crimson robe that her father brought to her. She also recalls an incident where she was placed on top of a white set of three steps . . . and sexually assaulted by numerous men. She also recalls seeing a young girl sacrificed and dismembered next to her on a table.
[CTRL] All Aglow
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday, July 21, 1999 Radiation used to develop varieties of plants geneticist - --- By Dick Ahlstrom, Science Editor Consumers seem frightened of genetically engineered foods but indifferent to foods altered by genetic mutation. Plant specialists regularly use radiation and mutagenic chemicals to develop new plant varieties, according to a plant geneticist from Teagasc. Most beers on the market are made using a barley variety produced in 1965 by x-ray induced mutation, said Dr Beant Ahloowalia of Teagasc, the agriculture and food development authority. The technique involved using exposure to powerful chemicals or radiation to cause unpredictable breaks in a plant's genetic code which may then recombine to produce new traits. The technique differs from genetic engineering which involves inserting genes, often from another species, into a plant or animal in the expectation that the recipient will take on the new trait given by the gene. Mutation is far less targeted, but it also could produce new traits. The public seemed largely unaware of its use, Dr Ahloowalia told delegates yesterday at the 11th International Congress on Radiation Research in UCD. "You can mutate or you can put in a transgene, but the public acceptance of mutation is much better than with transgenes," he said. `In the absence of the acceptance of GM foods, the process of mute genesis allows the development of novel varieties." Unlike GM technology, mutation technology is freely available to any researcher via UN agencies. More than 2,000 important crops and ornamental plants have been developed using mutation, including new rice varieties, short stem grains, tomato, pepper and potato varieties. Another significant crop modified by mutation is the sunflower. Mutated varieties produced oil which was better at helping to reduce cholesterol in the diet. There was also the celebrated mutation of a Japanese pear variety in an orchard adjacent to a nuclear reactor, he said. A fungus struck the orchard and the crop was lost except for one tree near the reactor, which had a healthy crop. It was found to be a radiation induced mutation which conferred resistance to the pathogen. "Most mutants are degenerate and worthless," said Dr Alan Cas sells of UCC. These were quickly discarded but promising varieties were tested to ensure they were safe for consumption. "What the consumer wants is reassurance." Mutation was useful for correcting a characteristic defect or for introducing novel characteristics, he said. The mutant was usually compared to the source plant when assessing new or altered traits, for example the plant's response to pathogens. If plant held promise it was put through a battery of high-technology tests which scanned its new genetic make-up. This "data mining" allows researchers to test unexpected changes in the genetic code. Plants could be selected for disease or drought resistance after irradiation as a way to develop resistant varieties, said Dr S. Moham Jain of the University of Helsinki. He described inoculating 400 strawberry plants with a fungus; 20 were found to have developed resistance to the fungus. They were also found to have acquired resistance to drought. Wednesday, July 21, 1999 Scientists debate level of tolerance to radiation - --- By Dick Ahlstrom The argument that there is no safe level of exposure for nuclear radiation is wrong and is not supported by scientific studies, according to a US researcher who said that cells were very efficient at repairing radiation damage. "A single fallacy is often more acceptable than a complicated truth," said Dr Otto Raabe of the University of California, Davis. He was addressing a radiation conference in Dublin yesterday organised by the Dublin Institute of Technology during a session on the "linear no-threshold" debate. The linear no-threshold (LNT) theory assumes that any exposure to radiation carries a risk of developing cancer. It is widely applied by radiological protection agencies and endorsed by the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP). "The evidence for the threshold has been known for a long time," Dr Raabe said. A new Russian study pointed towards a threshold for radiation, a level that the body could tolerate without subsequent cancers. Breaks in the genetic code inside the cell were commonplace and quickly repaired. On average there are up to 150,000 breaks per cell daily. "We already have a background of DNA breaks," he said, and any contribution to this total by radiation was minor. "There are still uncertainties that we can't work out because of statistical difficulties," he acknowledged, but there was no connection between threshold and risk. Dr Jack Valentin, scientific
Re: [CTRL] FW: [OPF] query
-Caveat Lector- Wasn't Boy George Bush the first to allude to A New World Odor? Aol user wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sounds fishy since the NWO people don't refer to it as the NWO. Did you friend mean Freih (sp) instead alluded to the NWO? Or alluded to the governmental structure, something like that? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
