[CTRL] Kosovo: A Political Virus
-Caveat Lector- Observer Worldview Extra: Unseen Wars http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,901367,00.html Lessons from Kosovo If there is war from Iraq, there are many lessons about post-war reconstruction from the west's experience in Kosovo. But the current crisis also means we risk overlooking unfinished business elsewhere, say Val Percival and James Lyon of the International Crisis Group Val Percival and James Lyon Sunday February 23, 2003 The Observer As the United States and its allies prepare for possible military intervention in Iraq, they should bear in mind the lessons of their intervention in Kosovo - perhaps the most ambitious experiment in post-war reconstruction that the international community has undertaken. Since 1999 the donor community has contributed billions of dollars in humanitarian, reconstruction, and development assistance. Tens of thousands of peacekeepers and thousands of civilians worked to rebuild Kosovo into a democratic 'autonomous' society. Although the international community has much to be proud of in Kosovo, two key weaknesses have hampered their efforts: failure to get full control of the security situation, and failure to develop a realistic exit strategy in partnership with the local actors. Both of these are also risks for any future international intervention elsewhere, and while Kosovo's specific circumstances are of course unique, the situation there illustrates the problems that will arise elsewhere. When the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) rolled into the province on 11 June 1999, they feared resistance from remaining Yugoslav army and paramilitary forces, as well as retaliation attacks against KFOR from the local Serb population. In fact (as should have been anticipated) the problems of those first few months were completely different - a complete security vacuum, with horrific crimes of revenge perpetrated against the Serb civilian population by Albanian extremists. NATO and the UN were shown to be impotent, and they - and Kosovo's population - are still paying for that early failure. The international community cannot afford to make that mistake elsewhere. NATO also failed to effectively neutralize its former allies from the 1999 conflict, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). In the immediate aftermath, KLA members were able to gain control of local institutions, involve themselves in organised crime, and engage in extortion and intimidation. Although the international community tried to occupy former KLA members through recruitment to a new Kosovo Protection Corps and the Kosovo Police Service, former KLA fighters were still able to exacerbate armed conflicts in South Serbia in 2000 and Macedonia in 2001. It is not sufficient to disarm the enemy - to get a peaceful environment, you have to disarm your allies as well. Under Security Council Resolution 1244 the UN must develop autonomous government institutions for Kosovo pending the resolution of the province's final status. Kosovo is thus in a sort of international twilight zone: a de jure part of Yugoslavia (now renamed Serbia and Montenegro), yet simultaneously a de facto UN protectorate under international administration, which may well be on the road towards independence. The UN at first found it difficult to attract sufficiently skilled international recruits to work in a difficult post- conflict setting. Many internationals found themselves running municipal administrations, or even government ministries, for which they had no experience or training. Three and a half years down the line, Kosovo now has a President, a Prime Minister, and a functioning government. However international administrators are finding it hard to let go. Consultation mechanisms with local leaders have not been institutionalized, and critical information is kept in the hands of internationals. While local politicians lobby the international community for more authority, it is often a cry for inclusion in the process of governing rather than a desire to be at the helm. While UNMIK has outlined benchmarks to assess Kosovo's institutional development, the process has not gone much beyond describing these objectives. There is no implementation strategy, no assessment of how close (or far) Kosovo is from meeting these benchmarks, what resources are needed, and what further action. At the same time there is mission fatigue, resources are running low, and the world's attention is focused on the Middle East. UNMIK is planning to transfer as much responsibility as possible in the next twelve months to minimize the costs and to minimize its responsibility for governing Kosovo. Yet Kosovo is at a critical phase. Institutions are not yet fully developed, the civil service has not yet been completely recruited, and there is no transition strategy. Moreover, too early a transfer of power would put the three billion dollar investment to date at risk. What is lacking is a careful transition strategy - to build local
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo: A Political Virus
-Caveat Lector- Yes, the KLA (narco-terrorists) was our ally, funded by the CIA and trained by al Qaeda. JR - Original Message - From: Euphorian To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: [CTRL] Kosovo: A Political Virus -Caveat Lector-Observer Worldview Extra: Unseen Warshttp://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,901367,00.htmlLessons from KosovoIf there is war from Iraq, there are many lessons about post-warreconstruction from the west's experience in Kosovo. But the currentcrisis also means we risk overlooking unfinished business elsewhere, say ValPercival and James Lyon of the International Crisis GroupVal Percival and James LyonSunday February 23, 2003The ObserverAs the United States and its allies prepare for possible military interventionin Iraq, they should bear in mind the lessons of their intervention inKosovo - perhaps the most ambitious experiment in post-warreconstruction that the international community has undertaken.Since 1999 the donor community has contributed billions of dollars inhumanitarian, reconstruction, and development assistance. Tens ofthousands of peacekeepers and thousands of civilians worked to rebuildKosovo into a democratic 'autonomous' society.Although the international community has much to be proud of in Kosovo,two key weaknesses have hampered their efforts: failure to get full controlof the security situation, and failure to develop a realistic exit strategy inpartnership with the local actors. Both of these are also risks for anyfuture international intervention elsewhere, and while Kosovo's specificcircumstances are of course unique, the situation there illustrates theproblems that will arise elsewhere.When the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) rolled into the province on 11June 1999, they feared resistance from remaining Yugoslav army andparamilitary forces, as well as retaliation attacks against KFOR from thelocal Serb population.In fact (as should have been anticipated) the problems of those first fewmonths were completely different - a complete security vacuum, withhorrific crimes of revenge perpetrated against the Serb civilian populationby Albanian extremists. NATO and the UN were shown to be impotent, andthey - and Kosovo's population - are still paying for that early failure. Theinternational community cannot afford to make that mistake elsewhere.NATO also failed to effectively neutralize its former allies from the 1999conflict, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). In the immediate aftermath,KLA members were able to gain control of local institutions, involvethemselves in organised crime, and engage in extortion and intimidation.Although the international community tried to occupy former KLAmembers through recruitment to a new Kosovo Protection Corps and theKosovo Police Service, former KLA fighters were still able to exacerbatearmed conflicts in South Serbia in 2000 and Macedonia in 2001. It is notsufficient to disarm the enemy - to get a peaceful environment, you haveto disarm your allies as well.Under Security Council Resolution 1244 the UN must develop"autonomous" government institutions for Kosovo pending the resolution ofthe province's final status. Kosovo is thus in a sort of international twilightzone: a de jure part of Yugoslavia (now renamed "Serbia and Montenegro"),yet simultaneously a de facto UN protectorate under internationaladministration, which may well be on the road towards independence.The UN at first found it difficult to attract sufficiently skilled internationalrecruits to work in a difficult post- conflict setting. Many internationalsfound themselves running municipal administrations, or even governmentministries, for which they had no experience or training.Three and a half years down the line, Kosovo now has a President, a PrimeMinister, and a functioning government. However internationaladministrators are finding it hard to let go. Consultation mechanisms withlocal leaders have not been institutionalized, and critical information iskept in the hands of internationals. While local politicians lobby theinternational community for more authority, it is often a cry for inclusionin the process of governing rather than a desire to be at the helm.While UNMIK has outlined "benchmarks" to assess Kosovo's institutionaldevelopment, the process has not gone much beyond describing theseobjectives. There is no implementation strategy, no assessment of howclose (or far) Kosovo is from meeting these benchmarks, what resourcesare needed, and what further action. At the same time there is missionfatigue, resources are running low, and the world's attention is focused onthe Middle East. UNMIK is planning to transfer as much responsibility aspossible in the next twelve months to minimize the costs and to minimizeits responsibility for governing Kosovo.Yet Kosovo is at a critical phase. Institutions are not yet full
[CTRL] Kosovo happenings-
You don't hear about what they do to the Kosovo Serb population in the media do you?!?- Oh and nato admitted recently that it had exaggerated serb crimes in Kosovo I suppose killing serbs is allright so long as it is for a good cause (a good cause being defined by media of course) Serb boy killed on the Liplian-Kosovo Polie road August 28, 2000 Kosovska Mitrovica, August 27 - At about 1 pm today an 8-year-old Serb boy was killed and four other boys severely injured by an ethnic Albanian driver on the Liplian - Kosovo Polie road in the village of Skulanovo, Center for Peace and Tolerance in Kosovska Mitrovica stated today quoting amateur radio operators. Nikola Talic (8) died from wounds, while Marko Talic (4), Srdjan Talic (15) and 9-year-old Ivica whose last name is not known are unconscious. Jovica Talic (16) also suffered severe injuries and is conscious. All injured have been taken to the Russian hospital in Kosovo Polie. == REPORT FROM THE VILLAGE OF SKULANOVO: ONE SERB CHILD KILLED, FOUR OTHERS SERIOUSLY INJURED Today, on Sunday, August 27 at approximately 1:45 p.m. in the village of Skulanovo (between Suvi Do and Lepina), Liplian municipality, an Albanian attacker who remains unknown at this time seriously injured five Serb children aged 8 to 16 years located near the road at the outskirts of the village with his vehicle, a red Opel Kadet Suza, without license plates. The attacker drove his vehicles into the group of children, whose names are listed below, with the obvious intention of running them over. As a result, the children sustained serious physical injuries, broken arms, legs, head injuries and are currently hospitalized in Kosovo Polje. The youngest child, an eight year-old boy, died as a result of inflicted injuries shortly after the attack. The child killed is 1. Nikola Nikolic, age 8 years Seriously injured are: 2. Marko Talic, age 14 years 3. Jovica Talic, age 16 years 4. Ivica Talic, age 16 years 5. Srdjan Krstic, age 13 years The child killed, Nikola Nikolic, was a refugee from the Serb village of Babliak near Urosevac who was staying with relatives in Skulanovo. The sources of this report are radio amateurs from Skulanovo and the priest serving in Kosovo Polie, Father Radivoje Panic. This informaiton was received in Gracanica Monastery at 2:15 p.m. on Sunday, August 27, 2000. The Serb National Council of Kosovo and Metohia most strongly condemns this terrorist attack which according to eyewitness testimony was not a traffic accident. After the attacks on Serb children in Crkvena Vodica and Staro Gracko, this is the third attack on Serb children in the vicinity of Pristina during the past week and shows that the goal of the terrorists is to encourage the Serb people to leave by creating confusion and panic as a result of threats directed against children. PRESS RELEASE Pristina, August 27, 2000 AN ALBANIAN KILLED 1 AND WOUNDED 4 SERB CHILDREN IN KOSOVO Today, around 13.45 CET an unindentified Albanian killed 1 and wounded 4 Serb children in Skulanovo village 15 km south of Pristina. Driving his red Opel Kadet Susa without registration plates an attacker hit into a group of Serb children who were walking by the village road. The witnessess say that the attacker had a clear intention to kill the children. The attacker immediately left away the scene of his crime with his car. All 5 children got serious wounds and fractures. The youngest, Nikola Nikolic (8) did not survive and died on the way to the hospital. The wounded children are: Marko Talic (14), Jovica Talic (16), Ivica Talic (16), Srdjan Kristic (13). Serb National Council of Kosovo and Metohia has resolutely condemned this cowardly and disgusting crime which is the third attack of Albanian extremists against Serb children in Kosovo in the last week. Two days ago, SNC requested more intensive KFOR patrols and protection in the areas frequented by Serb children. 75 YEAR OLD SERB KILLED BY ALBANIAN TERRORISTS IN KOSOVO TODAY After today's terrorist attack in which 1 Serb child was killed and 4 wounded a new terrorist attack occured in Crkvena Vodica village 8 km west from Pristina. It was the same village in which Albanian terrorists threw three grenades on Serb children last week wounding 15 children, 8 of them seriously. At 18.30 CET 75 year old Serb PAVLE NEDELKOVIC from Crkvena Vodica was killed by a machine gun fire from an unindentified car which immediately disappeared in direction of Albanian dominated Obilic. Nedelkovic was in his field very close to the village and the road when he was suddenly killed at the spot. This terrorist attack of Albanian extremists has created even more uneasiness, fear and confusion among the local Serbs who have not recovered yet from the last week's attack on their children. Although Bishop Artemie and the Serb National Council requested immediate additional deployment of Norwegian KFOR troops in the area
[CTRL] Kosovo death toll may climb to be between 4,000 and 5,000
http://www.pstripes.com/ed082700c.html Sunday, August 27, 2000 Kosovo death toll climbs as KFOR finds more graves By Gregory Piatt Stars and Stripes PODUJEVO, Kosovo Graves are still being unearthed by investigators, scientists and forensic experts sent to put the puzzle together of how many people were killed during last years ethnic cleansing of Kosovo. Perhaps thousands of corpses remain in graves scattered around the Yugoslav province. Still others were reportedly cremated in haste or carted back to Serbia before the NATO-led KFOR peacekeeping troops entered Kosovo. War crimes investigators and forensic experts, who delicately strip inches of soil from these graves with backhoes and garden tools, may never find every body, but are putting together evidence for war crimes indictments. Its physically and emotionally demanding work, said Billy Fulton, the crime scene coordinator for the British forensic team working on behalf of the tribunal here. Quite often we work in view of the relatives. Since forensic experts started last year, they have found nearly 3,000 bodies in mass graves, down wells and in shallow ponds. On Thursday, Fultons forensic team unearthed eight bodies in the Podujevo Cemetery as relatives watched. The seven Muslim men and one woman whose remains were exhumed allegedly were killed during last years ethnic cleansing campaign. Scientists are investigating the sites for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. With only a few months before the ground freezes and their work halts until spring, they expect the body count to grow. This year, forensic teams have examined 200 grave sites, found 700 bodies and know of at least 400 more sites, said Paul Risley, spokesman for the tribunals prosecutor, Carla del Ponte. Every week KFOR reports more grave sites, Risley said in a telephone interview last week. Many of those found are ethnic Albanians, who allegedly were killed by the Yugoslav Army or Serbian paramilitaries. But the tribunal is also investigating grave sites where Serbs may have been killed by the Kosovo Liberation Army, the disbanded guerrilla group that fought against the Serbs for independence. So far, the tribunal has publicly indicted Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, Yugoslav Deputy Prime Minister Nikola Sainovic, Yugoslav Interior Minister Vlajko Siejiljkovic, former Yugoslav Army chief of staff Ojdanic Dragoljub and Serb President Milan Milatinovic on war crimes charges for last years ethnic cleansing. As for the KLA, the tribunal is still investigating what part the guerrilla organization had in the deaths of Serbs. So far, no indictments have been issued. But del Ponte has said the tribunals investigation is focusing on the KLAs top commanders. North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary-General Lord George Robertson said recently that when the indictments are completed, alliance troops will arrest wanted war criminals inside Kosovo. Graham Blewitt, deputy prosecutor at The Hague Tribunal, said recently he expects the final toll of confirmed killings to be between 4,000 and 5,000 bodies. NATO officials, notably former Supreme Allied Commander Europe Gen. Wesley K. Clark, put the figure of ethnic Albanians killed by the Serbs at 10,000 after NATO peacekeeping troops entered the Yugoslav province. During last years Yugoslav bombing campaign and the refugee crisis that ensued, U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen said the number could be as high as 100,000 dead. Since then, NATO has been accused of exaggerating the number of killings as part of a propaganda campaign to justify the 78 days it bombed Yugoslavia. As for the fluctuating numbers during the bombing campaign, KFOR spokesman U.S. Army Maj. Scott Slaten said there was no way NATO knew what was going on in Kosovo during the bombing. Many people were reported missing and were found alive later, Slaten said. We were bound and determined to keep the mass killings that happened in Bosnia [and Herzegovina] from happening in Kosovo, Slaten said. Whether the final number comes out to 3,000 or 7,000, there are still graves. When the tribunal started its exhumations, Risley said, it put the final figure of those possibly dead at 11,000 because that was how many people are reported missing. But, he added, many bodies probably were burned or taken back into Serbia for disposal. There will be no way to find all the people killed, he said. -- --- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and
[CTRL] Kosovo
The full article is at http://www.latimes.com/news/front/2819/t77897.html ISTOK, Yugoslavia--They survived Serbian rampages. They lived through a NATO air war waged in their name. But now some Kosovo Albanians are being targeted by the very people they had trusted--their own. A dirty war among ethnic Albanian political parties has been escalating for nearly a year. And foreign peacekeeping troops and police, citing a lack of cooperation from witnesses, have done little to stop it. It was easy for the men who came to kill Shaban Manaj. They called at his house in this western Kosovo town and said they needed a lawyer to defend a man in jail on a minor charge. The ethnic Albanian politician climbed into the front passenger seat of their red BMW and was never seen alive again. Spanish peacekeeping troops found his body Aug. 5 in the almost deserted village of Ozrim, about nine miles from where the two ethnic Albanians had kidnapped him 10 days earlier. Manaj founded the local branch of the moderate Democratic League of Kosovo in 1990 when its pacifist leader, Ibrahim Rugova, began the painful struggle for independence from Yugoslavia. Serbian police arrested Manaj several times over the years to try to silence him. The ethnic Albanian thugs succeeded where the Serbs failed. They dumped Manaj's body in a ditch and set fire to it, just as Serbian war criminals had done to many of their ethnic Albanian victims. What gets me is, how many of the atrocities were carried out by these Albanian criminal murderers in the first place and blamed on Serbs? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo: The Brussels Appeal
KOSOVO must not be forgotten: BRUSSELS APPEAL In the spring of 1999 Brussels, as the headquarters of NATO, was the centre of decision and execution of the bombing of Yugoslavia by the 19 member nations of that organisation in the name of human rights. We, active in or retired from the teaching of law, believe that the first anniversary of such a serious event must not go unnoticed, but on the contrary should induce every citizen to think seriously about the enormous stakes. The war was prepared, decided and prosecuted against the most fundamental principles of international law. NATO decided to take action after the Rambouillet talks broke down. And yet these talks had made serious progress of the political issues before last minute conditions, which were totally unacceptable to the Serbs, led to an impasse. In other words, to war. The outbreak of the war was a flagrant violation of the United Nations Charter, which authorises the use of force only in exceptional cases of legitimate self-defence or with the authorisation of the Security Council. There were no such premises, in this case. Finally, the way in which the bombing was carried out violates the rules of international law which govern the conduct of hostilities. In general, the systematic destruction of the economic infrastructure and the means of communication, deliberately intended to discourage the population and provoke an uprising, are incompatible with the humanitarian principles invoked to justify them. That said, our wishing to express our unequivocal and unreserved condemnation of the action taken by NATO in no way implies any support of or complacency towards the Belgrade authorities and in particular their management of the ethnic question. Similarly, our sustained reprobation of the continuation, without any legal grounds, of the bombing of Iraq and the embargo imposed on this country, must not be interpreted as any allegiance to the Baghdad regime. The war strategy that devastated Yugoslavia and made Kosovo non-liveable produced more refugees and victims than would have been caused by any other combination of force and diplomacy. So it must be contested, both from the political and the moral point of view. It was accompanied by a media campaign to systematically legitimise the operations under way. The arrangements made at the end of the bombing are intended to make international aid contingent to the results of elections in Yugoslavia and make aid contingent on the political options adopted by its beneficiaries, which is not a very honourable means of political interventions in the internal affairs of a third country. For its part, under the UN administration created in Kosovo following the NATO aggression, this region has become a virtually mono-ethnical one, where non-Albanian minorities, be they Serbs, Gypsies, Slavs, Muslims, Jews, Turks or Croats, had to flee from attacks or take refuge in ghettos. We should also like to underscore the fact that the consequences of the war waged in Yugoslavia extend far beyond the borders of this country. More specifically, NATO's intervention in Kosovo, under the leadership of the United States, is in line with a series of choices made by the sole remaining superpower. Its gargantuan military budget; keeping NATO in place, in spite of the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the end of the USSR, and even to enlarge it by including Eastern Europe; projecting armed force on the world arena by treating international institutions with disdain; refusing to ratify the nuclear test ban treat; developing anti-missile systems and, as recently discovered, a world-wide system for eavesdropping on private and official calls are the most salient aspects of a new model for exercising power charted in Washington, based solely on the possession and use of ever more sophisticated instruments of coercion. That is why we call on all those who share these concerns and no longer wish to see bombs as the alternative to international law, negotiations, and democratic dialogue, to sign this appeal and turn it, everywhere in the world, into an instrument of moral resistance against the new world "order" that is emerging. First signatories, Olivier Corten, Professor at the Centre for International Law, Free University of Brussels (ULB); Eric David, Professor at the ULB; Barbara Delcourt, member of the Institute of European Studies, Professor at the ULB; François Houtart, Professor Emeritus at the Catholic University of Louvain (UCL); Pierre Klein, Professor at the ULB; Paulette Pierson-Mathy, Professor at the ULB; Yves Rogister, Researcher at the CADOP, University of Liège; François Rigaux, Professor Emeritus at the UCL, former Dean of the Faculty of Law; Jean Salmon, Professor Emeritus at the ULB ; Eric Suy, Professor Emeritus at the KUL ; former assistant general secretary of the United Nations." If you want to adhere to the Appeal, please send your name to: CETRI 5, Av. Sainte Gertrude 1348
[CTRL] Kosovo + 1 Year
From http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-373es.html
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Cato Policy Analysis No. 373
June 10, 2000
Dubious Anniversary:
Kosovo One Year Later
by Christopher Layne and Benjamin Schwarz
Christopher Layne is a visiting fellow in foreign policy studies at the Cato
Institute. Benjamin Schwarz is a correspondent for the Atlantic Monthly
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Executive Summary
One year after NATO ended its bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, the Clinton
administrations Kosovo policy is a conspicuous failure. Kosovo is now the
scene of a brutal ethnic cleansing campaign carried out by NATOs erstwhile de
facto ally, the Kosovo Liberation Army, an organization profoundly inimical to
Americas interests and professed values. The KLA is also currently fomenting
an insurgency elsewhere in Serbia, which promises to destabilize the Balkans
even further.
The Clinton administration has embarked on yet another multi-billion-dollar
nation-building adventure, which many analysts suggest will entangle the U.S.
military for a decade or longer. This situation could have been avoided.
Because of its inept diplomacy and strategic miscalculation, the administration
bears a large measure of responsibility for both Kosovos humanitarian crisis a
year ago and the KLAs postwar thuggery. It is now clear that the
administrations claims of "horrific slaughter" and attempts at "genocide" by
the Serbs were gross exaggerations designed to whip up support for intervention
from a skeptical Congress and public.
Confronting Kosovos depressing prospects, the administration consoles itself
that, as President Clinton says, it "did the right thing in the right way" when
it intervened. Even granting that doubtful premise, this is not enough to
exonerate policymakers from their responsibility for the situation the United
States confronts today. In the real world, policymakers are judged by the
consequences of their actions, not by their intentions. The Kosovo war has not
vindicated the administrations doctrine of "virtuous power." By waging an
avoidable war, the Clinton administration has saddled the United States with a
host of intractable problems.
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[CTRL] Kosovo: Bildt Right
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Kosovo: the First to Get it Right
By JONATHAN POWER
April 5, 2000
LONDON- What an anniversary that was! The first birthday marking Nato's bombing
of Yugoslavia brought forth a torrent of articles both pro and against. Yet not
one came close to matching for lucidity and perceptiveness, delivered in an
icily ironic style, the essay penned at the time of the war by the former
Swedish prime minister, Carl Bildt, in the cerebral British monthly, Prospect.
Bildt, who is presently the UN Secretary-General's Special Envoy for the
Balkans, is a man of political leanings, if elections are anything to go by,
too far to the right for most of his countrymen. His instinct is to support
Nato, to be close to America, to wind back the welfare state and to argue the
case for the use of force and intervention. But something happened to him on
the road to Belgrade.
"The Baby Bombers", as the editor headlined the piece, was a wake-up call for
the baby-boomers, now in the higher reaches of western political power, "who
have never learnt about war and power the hard way" and who, with their "smart
wars- high rhetoric, high altitude and high technology; smart bombs for smart
politicians", believe there is a "third way in war". Bildt wrote of meeting
Gerd Schmueckle, a retired German general who was wounded six times on the
Russian front during the Second World war, but then served in the highest
positions inside Nato. Perhaps, said the general, it is a question of
generations. While the war veterans are losing their hair and teeth, the new
generation suddenly has a different attitude towards war.
"For Schmueckle, war was associated with horror beyond imagination, leaving
deep psychological scars on individuals and nations. Bombs, he said, do not
create peace; instead they breed hatred for years, perhaps for generations."
A year on we can see the truth of this in Yugoslavia. The bombing did not
forestall ethnic cleansing, it appeared to precipitate it. And it has
bequeathed a cauldron of mutual hatred and a political potage that no amount of
Nato and UN policing and Western economic aid can clear up, even if it were
forthcoming in something like the quantities promised- another example of the
war time rhetoric that misled the public. Reading the public statements of
Bernard Kouchner, the UN man responsible for the reconstruction of Kosovo and
General Klaus Reinhardt, the local Nato commander, is to sense that they are
often close to despair.
Aficionados of Carl Bildt now have the chance to pursue his thinking, one year
after the bombing, in the new issue of Survival, the quarterly journal of the
International Institute for Strategic Studies. This is a much more lengthy
discourse on the limits of force, and looks not just at Kosovo but at Bosnia
before. It's essense is to challenge what has now achieved the status of
conventional wisdom- the idea of the supremacy of air-power.
Bildt argues that the Dayton agreement that brought an end to the fighting in
Bosnia was "far more a victory for diplomacy than a victory for force". He
certainly doesn't exclude that the Nato air operation, initiated on September
30th, 1995, "had a significant psychological impact during its first few days",
but the political momentum that led to the accord came about primarily because
of a new diplomatic approach. "The essential diplomatic innovation was the
willingness of the U.S. to accept some of the core demands of the Bosnian
Serbs; demands that the U.S. previously had refused even to contemplate. In
particular the Bosnian Serbs had consistently demanded a separate Republika
Srpska inside a weak Bosnian framework".
After Dayton there was an unforgivable lull in Western diplomatic activity.
Neither the European Union nor the U.S. were willing to launch any serious
diplomatic initiatives to head off the brewing crisis in Kosovo. Albanian
opinion inside Kosovo, once more fluid and open to diplomatic options, was
allowed to harden, leading to the birth of an armed insurrection and driving
the population into the embrace of the Kosovo Liberation Army.
The West, misreading the lesson of Bosnia, tried to head off Serbian repression
with the threat of air power. Thus when diplomacy failed- and the Rambouillet
agreement demanded much more from Slobodan Milosevic than the "peace agreement"
which ended the war- the West had little choice but to make good on its
threats.
The air operation, however, could not prevent a major humanitarian disaster.
Whether it triggered it, Bildt more cautious than I, just says "will remain a
subject of debate". But he adds scathingly, "despite all the talk about a
revolution in military affairs, Kosovo brutally demonstrated that the axe
remains the superior short-range-precision-guided weapon when it comes to one
man killing another; there is very little that increasingly long-range and high
tech weaponry can do about it."
A year on we have to
[CTRL] Kosovo drug mafia supply heroin to Europe
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from: http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,,146154,00.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,,146154,00.html"Ne ws Unlimited | The Guardian | Kosovo drug maf /A - Kosovo drug mafia supply heroin to Europe Kosovo: special report Maggie O'Kane in Belgrade Monday March 13, 2000 International agencies fighting the drug trade are warning that Kosovo has become a "smugglers' paradise" supplying up to 40% of the heroin sold in Europe and North America. Nato-led forces, struggling to keep peace in the province a year after the war, have no mandate to fight drug traffickers; and - with the expulsion from Kosovo of the Serb police, including the "4th unit" narcotics squad - the smugglers are running the "Balkan route" with complete freedom. The peacekeepers of K-For "may as well be coming from another planet when it comes to tackling these guys," said Marko Nicovic, a lawyer and vice-president of the international narcotics enforcement officers association, based in New York. "It's the hardest narcotics ring to crack because it is all run by families and they even have their own language. Kosovo is set to become the cancer centre of Europe, as western Europe will soon discover," he said. He estimates that the province's traffickers are now handling between 4.5 and five tonnes of heroin a month and growing fast, compared to the two tonnes they were shifting before the Kosovo war of March-June last year, when Nato bombing forced Serbia's regime to pull out of the largely ethnic-Albanian province. "It's coming through easier and cheaper - and there's much more of it. The price is going down and if this goes on we are predicting a heroin boom in western Europe as there was in the early 80s." A heroin trafficker in Belgrade confirmed to the Guardian that since the war the Kosovo heroin dealers, most of them from four main families, are concentrating on the western Europe and US markets. A kilo of heroin that is worth £10,000 in Kosovo or £20,000 in Belgrade can make £40,000 on the British, Italian or Swiss markets, said that 24-year-old heroin middleman. He expected the Kosovo route to grow: "There's nobody to stop them." Only half the promised 5,000 policemen have arrived to join the peace operation in the province, which is now the main route for heroin flowing through some of the world's most troubled countries, Afghanisatan, northern Iran, the southern states of the Russian Federation, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Kosovo and into western Europe and the US "It is the Colombia of Europe," said Mr Nikovic, who was the chief of the Yugoslav narcotics force until 1996. "When Serb police were burning houses in Kosovo they were finding it [heroin] stuffed in the roof. As far as I know there has not been a single report in the last year of K-For seizing heroin. They are soldiers not criminal investigators." Echoing this, an official at Nato in Brussels said: "Generals do not want to turn their troops into cops ... They don't want their troops to get shot pursuing black marketeers." There is no evidence that the ethnic Albanians' Kosovo Liberation Army is involved directly in drug smuggling, but according to the British-based International Police Review published by Jane's they may be dependent on the drug families who, the Review says, partly funded the KLA's operations in Kosovo last year. When drug squad chiefs from northern and eastern Europe met in Sweden 10 days ago, the Balkan route was the main issue, according to the head of the Czech narcotics agency, Jiri Komorous: "There are four paths of drug trafficking through the Balkans to western Europe and we have to improve our attempts to control the Kosovo Albanians." The Kosovo mafia has been smuggling heroin since the mid-80s - but since the Kosovo war they have come into their own, according to Mr Nicovic: "You have an entire country without a police force that knows what is going on." The Kosovo Albanian mafia is almost untouchable. "Everything is worked out on the basis of the family or clan structure, the Fic (brotherhood), so it is impossible to plant informers," said Mr Nicovic. "Their diaspora have been in Turkey and Germany since Tito's communist purges so the whole route is set up. Now they have found the one country between Asia and Europe which is not a member of Interpol." To Britain, he said, there are two routes: "By truck through Germany, Belgium and France and then via Dover - and also through Budapest, Poland, the Netherlands, then to Britain." Responsibility for organising police work in Kosovo "is a grey area", said the Nato official, but "if organised crime goes on thriving it will have intenational ramifications". Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads Enda A
[CTRL] Kosovo and drug trade
-Caveat Lector- From: Mike Ruppert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Kosovo Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 4:33 PM From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see the world being economically divided into three economic spheres of influence very much like in the book 1984: The Western Hemisphere, Europe, Asia and the Fare East with Africa as kind of a free trade zone as far as drugs go. I agree with Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa. I was with him last week and he presented at Ramsey Clark's tribunal on NATO war crimes. Kosovo and the Balkans have been re-colonized for Germany, the U.S. and Britain. The sphere of influence (economically) is denied to the Russians who are being compelled to look eastward. More and more drugs for the U.S. are Western Hemisphere produced. The KLA controls 70% of the heroin for Western Europe. European cocaine is, of course, from S. America because the coca leaf doesn't quite grow right anywhere else - yet. I really don't see a Maoist model at all. The so-called "commies" were never proven to have had a hand in any major drug trafficking here. The Chinese who ran the trade out of East Asia were nationalists and Tong/Triads out of Hong Kong. We do it to ourselves. Mainland China has NEVER been a major grower of any narcotic and the trade has been dominated by western capitalists. The opium that was first sent to China by the British was grown in India. It got the name China White because of Chinese chemists who could master the dangerous refinement from black tar to white powder and the Chinese smugglers in Hong Kong who banked the profits. What's happening with the KLA is for the benefit of the Euro. Mike Ruppert http://www.copvcia.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Kosovo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Was gibts? When NATO inserted the KLA as the ruling authority in Kosovo, post-surgical bombing, of course, they knew the KLA had been provided armed protection for the Balkan Route. Does this lend further credibility to the "Council of 300" theory? If, in fact, the 300 have risen to power in large part by selling addictive drugs like heroin and opium, then they must be working with the Peoples Republic of China. Mao said, on and off from 1927 forward, that the government of the People should work WITH and not AGAINST the drug traffickers, because they would "anesthetize the West." He wanted the free world to be addicted to Chinese-grown drugs. Maybe Ruppert can comment on this. Odom - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo -- Bush's Legacy to Clinton
-Caveat Lector- How the US / NATO inherited "Kosovo" from President George Bush: http://www.rand.org/publications/CF/CF129/CF-129.chapter11.html (from the Rand Corporation) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo redux: March towards a greater Albania.
-Caveat Lector- Ethnic relations in Macedonia at crossroads after Kosovo 2.21 a.m. ET (629 GMT) October 30, 1999 By Jovana Gec, Associated Press TETOVO, Macedonia (AP) It may be banned, but for Nexhmedin Lika, the Albanian-language university in this western Macedonian town is very much a reality. "We study here in our own language,'' the 22-year-old Albanian student said. "The Macedonian state will have to accept that.'' The clandestine university is one of many signs of the ethnic divisions in this impoverished country of 2 million, where voters will choose a new, largely ceremonial president on Sunday from among six candidates, including two ethnic Albanians. Ethnic divisions in Macedonia, the only former Yugoslav republic to have been spared war, have widened after the conflict in neighboring Kosovo, where 78 days of NATO bombing forced Serb troops and police to withdraw and turn the province over to NATO and the United Nations in June. The end of Serbian rule over Kosovo's ethnic Albanians has encouraged Macedonia's ethnic Albanians estimated at 25 percent of the population to push for more rights from the Slavic majority, including the right to use Albanian flags, symbols and language in western Macedonia where they form a majority. "A crisis like the one in Kosovo always revives existing problems,'' Arben Xhaferi, an ethnic Albanian leader, warned in an interview with The Associated Press. "An ethnic uneasiness can reach monstrous dimensions. So far, we have managed to avoid any clashes.'' Macedonia's government, however, is reluctant to meet the ethnic Albanians' demands. The country's Slavic majority fears that concessions would lead to a division of the country. Outgoing President Kiro Gligorov expressed fear for his country's experiment in ethnic tolerance amid the Balkans' ethnic polarization. "I have, maybe naively, believed that a peaceful policy, without participation in any war, and creation of an independent Macedonia, can change something,'' Gligorov said this week. "But I was proven wrong.'' In Tetovo, a Slav resident, Tomislav Stojanoski, grumbled that ethnic Albanians have virtually taken over the town and others in the region. "Ethnic relations are being preserved artificially,'' he said. Stojanoski claims the Macedonian government already wields little authority over the west of the country, which borders Kosovo and Albania. Like many Slavs, he expressed fears that Albanians, with their higher birthrate, would over time dominate Macedonia. "We will become a minority in our own country,'' he complained. In Tetovo, the Albanian-language university operates freely despite a formal ban. Red and black Albanian national flags are a feature of campaign rallies by the two ethnic Albanian presidential candidates Muarem Nexhipi and Muhamed Halili whose speeches are replete with support for an independent Kosovo. Graffiti with the letters "UCK,'' the Albanian language initials of the Kosovo Liberation Army, can be seen scrawled on walls here and elsewhere in western Macedonia. The Orthodox Christian Slavs and Muslim Albanians appear to live separate lives, mingling as little as possible. In the capital Skopje, the communities live on separate sides of the Vardar river and do not mix. With profound differences in language, religion and culture between the two communities, ethnic Albanian leaders say their people identify more and more with Kosovo and Albania rather than the Macedonian state. Still, political analyst Ljubomir Frckovski believes the divisions are not yet so great that they cannot be overcome through tolerance and dialogue so long as the government does not overreact with a crackdown. "The situation is weird but tolerant,'' he said. "It is important to survive this period when Kosovo is still an open wound.'' Despite the tensions, there have been relatively few serious ethnic incidents since independence in 1991. One of them occurred more than two years ago when ethnic Albanians clashed with the police trying to prevent them from putting up Albanian flags on municipal buildings in Tetovo and Gostivar. The Albanian mayors of the two towns were arrested. They were recently granted amnesty by the new center-rightist government, despite objections from Gligorov, a sign that Macedonian leaders themselves are divided over how to deal with the ethnic Albanians. Xhaferi said Macedonian Albanians do not want independence like their ethnic kinsmen in Kosovo, only greater rights. He said the government which includes his Democratic Party of Albanians must promote justice for the Albanians, rather than try to suppress them. "We are here,'' he said. "An idyllic situation that Macedonians wake up one day and there are no Albanians cannot happen.'' [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list.
[CTRL] Kosovo crisis part II
-Caveat Lector- Eyes Wide Shut Peter Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 3:35 PM Subject: Kosovo crisis part II Hi, My name is Milos Markovic, and most of you already know me. During the aggression of USA and NATO on FRY I was sending e-mails about their crimes, and now I am starting new fight against KFOR and UNMIK. Yugoslav people was given a promise by UN, NATO and its members that peacekeeping force will protect Kosovo, non albanian population there and that state of Serbia will have control under that province. Yugoslav people was given a promise by UN, NATO and its members that Yugoslav army, Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs units will go back to Kosovo. All of these promises were signed by representatives of NATO countries in UN Security Council, Russia, China, for NATO signed by Gen. Jackson. Now we see that all of it was a big LIE. Serbs are not protected. Every day more and more people of non albanian population are being killed, raped.Children are being burned. Yugoslav army and MUP(Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs) are still waiting to go back. Organizations that are under control of state of Serbia are in hands of UNMIK or in most ceases in hands of Albanian terrorists. Albanians are now able to print passports, ID.. Albanians are entering Serbian hospitals, schools.they kill people that work there trying to clean Kosovo out of all non albanian populations For all of this I wrote I have written facts: MTA(Military Technical Aggrement)- signed by NATO and VJ says that border of FRY with Albania and Macedonia will be protected by KFOR. I ask you way then we have more and more citizens of Albania inside Kosovo and Metohija. MTA UNSC Resolution 1244- says that army and police of FRY will go back to Kosovo as soon as possible. KFOR led by USA is creating situation in wich it is not able for VJ and MUP to go back. MTA- says that control of air space over Kosovo will be returned to organizations of FRY. Control over our air space is still in hands of KFOR commander. Do I have to write more- Media speace- by UN Resolution 1244 Serbia has control over media speace. People from NATO with their equipment put a stop to signals of Yugoslav TV stations. All of these facts you can see at NATO web site! Sincerely your Milos Markovic We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo/NATO items
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Kosovo/NATO items Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:31:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Karl Waldron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gracanica, September 22 Today on Sep 22 on the session of the Kosovo Transitional Council the representatives of the Serbian national commuity, Bishop Artemije and Mr. Trajkovic officially resigned from their positions within the KTC. They explained their leaving of the Council with the fact that after three months of KFOR and UNMIK presence in Kosovo the multiethnic concept in Kosovo has failed. This failure was crowned by the transformation of the KLA into a monoethnic and armed Kosovo Protection Corps which is directly violating the UN Security Council Resolution 1244. After three months of peace the results are catastrophic for the Serbs in the province: about 200.000 expelled, more than 350 killed, 450 abducted, thousands of burned and looted Serb houses as well as 70 destroyed churches and monasteries in the presence of almost 50.000 international peace forces. In Kosovo there is not a single multiethnic institution. Serbs have been practically expelled from all multiethnic areas and forced into reservations and ghettoes. They are denied the basic human rights and freedom of movement, education, work and medical protection. Nothing is done to enable the expelled Serb to go back to their homes while the remaining Serbs and other non-Albanians are still being persecuted, killed, raped and beaten. According to the words of Mr. Trajkovic the winners in the so far process in Kosovo are Mr. Thaci and Mr. Milosevic while the loosers are Kosovo Serbs, Serb and Albanian moderate and democratic forces and especially the international community (KFOR and UNMIK). The Serb representatives in the KTC said that their participation in the Council was motivated with the idea to constantly point out to the difficult security situation for the Serbs in Kosovo and make efforts to contribute to the better conditions for life and survival of our people. But Bishop Artemije and Mr. Trajkovic have clearly explained that they are not ready to take upon themselves the political responsibility for the decisions which are made in Kosovo without the consultation with the Kosovo Serbs and against their interests. The international community is working more and more in direction of creating the independent Kosovo for which no one from the Kosovo Serb community can and should take responsibility. Kosovo Protection Corps which is already translated into Albanian as KOSOVO DEFENSIVE TROOPS is the continuation of the KLA with full continuity of its millitary structure with the General Agim Ceku as its head. The fact that KLA have given over only one part of mostly outdated weapons and have hidden the majority of the modern wapons in their secret depots is only an attempt to show that UNMIK and KFOR have managed to demilitarize KLA, what was envisaged by the UN Resolution 1244. In reality this is a tacit legalization of a monoethnic army built on the foundations of an organization which is considered by many as a terrorist organization directly responsible for many crimes against the Serb and other non-Albanian population. The New Corps is nothing but a nucleus of the future ethnic Albanian army of Kosovo. Since the international community has completely denied the multiethnic approach to the resolution of the Kosovo issue and focused on attempts to resolve Albanian question only, the Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija with full right might ask for resolution of the Serbian ethnic question in direction of cantonization and the establishment of the Serbian Protection Corps. Bishop Artemije and Mr. Trajkovic have clearly manifested that in the present situation they have not the mandate to represent the Serbian people in Kosovo and they proposed to Mr. Kouchner to find other representatives for the Council among those who seek the ethnic approach to the Kosovo issue or to build Kosovo future with Albanians only. The Serb representativTOP cannot be any longer a decoration of the inexistent multiethnicity. Despite leaving of the Council, Bishop Artemije and Mr. Trajkovic said that they remain open for the further cooperation with the international community in order to better protect the human rights and freedoms of the Serbian national community in the southern Serbian province. Information Service of the Church and National Committee -- Serbian Orthodox Diocese of Raska and Prizren Gracanica Monastery, Pristina, Kosovo and Metohija http://www.decani.yunet.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reuters: Solana declares Kosovo force dead, others disagree By Douglas Hamilton TORONTO, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Outgoing NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana asserted on Tuesday that the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was dead but Yugoslavia and some of the guerrillas themselves disagreed. "The UCK (KLA) doesn't exist anymore,"
[CTRL] Kosovo Kops
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-21-99.html August 21, 1999 Theater of the Absurd in Kosovo by Gary Dempsey Gary Dempsey is a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute. As NATO's occupation of Kosovo enters its second month, one thing has become painfully clear: NATO and the Clinton administration are willing to go to absurd lengths to deny that the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) is taking over Kosovo and laying the foundation for a Greater Albania. When the KLA missed NATO's deadline for turning in its heavy weapons, for instance, NATO's top man in Kosovo, Gen. Michael Jackson, insisted that the KLA was not defying NATO. Rather, he claimed the guerrillas were so diligently accounting for all their weapons that they were being delayed. "I do not regard this as non-compliance," said Jackson, "but rather as an indication of the seriousness with which [the KLA]... is taking this important issue." As of yet, the KLA hasn't turned in all its heavy weapons, and on the day NATO's deadline expired, German soldiers stumbled upon a secret cache of 10 tons of ammunition--probably a mere fraction of what the KLA has hidden away. Even more alarming, the KLA has taken sweeping political control of Kosovo, establishing a network of self-appointed ministries and local councils, seizing businesses and apartments, and collecting taxes and customs payments. Moreover, each day brings new reports of KLA atrocities against Serb civilians--the drowning murder of a fully clothed, 78-year-old Serb woman in her own bathtub, made the front page of the Washington Post. Meanwhile, Lt. Cmdr. Louis Garneau, NATO's spokesman in Kosovo, conveniently announced, "We don't keep statistics on civilian deaths" under NATO's watch. We now know, however, that in the first seven weeks of NATO's occupation there were 198 confirmed homicides, 573 confirmed arson attacks, and 840 confirmed incidents of looting. More than 40 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been destroyed or damaged, and 200 Serb civilians have been kidnapped. According to Human Rights Watch, more than 80 percent of the Serbs in Kosovo have left or been driven out. Most of the kidnappings and murders, adds the rights group, have been committed by members of the KLA, who believe NATO has given them expansive reign. State Department spokesman James Rubin, however, insists that "there is no evidence of KLA involvement" in the outrages against Serb civilians. Rather, claims Rubin, there are rogue elements at work, not an organized ethnic cleansing campaign administered by the KLA leadership. Ironically, this is the same excuse Yugoslav strongman Slobodan Milosevic gave for the ethnic cleansing committed by Serb paramilitaries in Bosnia. The truth of the matter, however, is that ethnic cleansing need not be systematic, merely tolerated in limited cases. Throw a rock at one bird on a wire, and all the birds on the wire will take flight, goes an old Balkan saying. The KLA's take on the continuing ethnic violence is even more absurd. While paying lip-service to peace and harmony in front of the international press corps and Western diplomats, Hashim "Snake" Thaci, the KLA's self-declared prime minister of Kosovo, has scoffed, "There might be some people who are armed who aren't under KLA control... but there might be some people in KFOR [NATO's Kosovo Force] who aren't under General Jackson's control." Nonsense. NATO troops are not disobeying Jackson's orders, let alone killing civilians, burning down houses, and looting stores. The United Nations says it is now moving into Kosovo to help deal with the ethnic violence, and the UN's chief administrator, Bernard Kouchner, says he wants to pull the KLA into the exercise of power, offering it a share of executive responsibility. Other Western officials want the KLA to form the core of Kosovo's police force. What is likely to happen is more theater of the absurd, as the KLA's control is institutionalized while the charade that the KLA is not in control is perpetuated. In the meantime, NATO commanders find themselves not with a peacekeeping policy in Kosovo, but a KLA management policy. That was entirely predictable. "When we entered Kosovo there was still fighting going on and without a doubt the KLA had seen NATO and the air campaign as all part of what they were doing," concedes NATO's Gen. Jackson, "But time's moved on." It certainly has. NATO served as the KLA's unwitting errand boy, which was the KLA's aim all along, and now the KLA is advancing on to its next goals: ruling over Kosovo and pursuing a Greater Albania. Both those goals, of course, contradict NATO's calls for the creation of a multi-ethnic democracy in Kosovo and could bring NATO peacekeepers and the KLA into direct conflict. They also bode ill for Balkan stability--an ostensible goal of NATO's occupation in the first place.
[CTRL] Kosovo is Mafia's 'heroin gateway to West' (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- July 24 1999 BALKANS London Times Kosovo is Mafia's 'heroin gateway to West' FROM EVE-ANN PRENTICE IN BELGRADE THE Kosovo conflict has turned the province into a magnet for many of the world's notorious drug barons, according to a director of the International Narcotics Enforcement Officers' Association. More than 40 per cent of the heroin reaching Western Europe comes through the Serb province because of a lack of border controls, says Marko Nicovic. "Kosovo is now the Colombia of Europe. There is no border between Kosovo and Albania or between Macedonia and Kosovo," he said yesterday. "For the Turkish, Russian, Italian and Albanian mafias," Kosovo really had become a paradise. Mr Nicovic is a former Belgrade police chief and drug squad detective who worked for years in co-operation with police in Britain and the US. He says he began to notice Albanian gangs dealing in drugs in the mid-1980s. Heroin trafficking increased, he says, after Yugoslavia lost its membership of Interpol with the imposition of international sanctions in 1993. "Our police had great expertise and experience with this," Mr Nicovic says. The Kosovo conflict has left the province without police or customs controls and "Kfor soldiers are not criminal investigators". Mr Nicovic said drugs were being brought into Kosovo from Asia and Turkey, then taken on to Western Europe by road and sea by drug barons from Italy and Albania. Mr Nicovic says many Kosovo Albanians have bought harbourside sites in Albania in the past few years. Much of the heroin shipped from there to small ports in southeastern Italy are run by Italian Mafiosi. Other favourite routes are by road, north through Serbia to Hungary, the Czech Republic and Germany, he says. The former Yugoslav drugs squad chief says the Albanian drugs and arms mafia is particularly hard to penetrate. Albanians have strong family ties and it is hard to find informers. "They have a brotherhood which gives them a far greater ability to form a mafia than even the Sicilians." Mr Nicovic says hundreds of pounds of heroin are being stored in the village of Veliki Trnovac, near Gnjiliane, in the southeast of Kosovo, and Djakovica in the west. "The criminals have found the one country between Asia and Europe which is not a member of Interpol," he says. "This is a cancer area for Europe as Western Europe will very soon discover. As each day passes the Albanian mafia becomes richer and more powerful." Copyright 1999 Times Newspapers Ltd. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo news from Fr. Sava (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message m Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:39:45 +0200 From: "Fr. Sava" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Two Alarming Kosovo Reports, July 12 and 13, 1999 THE REPORT FROM LIPLJAN, KOSOVO July 12, 1999 Today, on the Feast Day of SS Apostles Peter and Paul, I served a Holy Liturgy in my parish church in Lipljan together with my colleague priest Fr. Zivojin Kojic (from 8.00 9.30 a.m). The church was almost full of people. At that time a larger group of Albanians, which were not from Lipljan, began gathering in the main streets of Lipljan, in the areas where Serb inhabitants live (95%). This gathering soon turned into a riot against the local Serb population and was continued with burning of several Serb houses, throwing of Molotov cocktails and real bombs in Serb homes and courtyards. True, the Albanians had announced their "peaceful demonstrations" two days ago, but this were not peaceful demonstrations but a real terror. Around 11.00 several Serb houses were stoned in Aca Marovic Street and Kosovska Street. The Molotov cocktails were thrown on four Serb houses. The owners of these houses are: Bozidar Aksic, Slavisa Simionovic, Zoran Brkljac and Ilija Cepkenovic (all from Lipljan) as well as on the building owned by Ljubinko Andjelkovic, a Serb from Lipljan too. Three houses have almost completely burned down while the fire in Cepkenovic house as well as in the building was put down by the local Serbs. At 13.30 unidentified Albanians threw a bomb on the house of Miladin Mladenovic. In this incident his son Zoran Mladenovic (32) and his friend Djordje Kocinac (33) were wounded. The latter is an IDP from Stimlje. The both wounded Serbs were transported by KFOR soldiers to a British military hospital in Lipljan where they were given a medical treatment. Soon after a bomb was thrown on the house of Ognjen Todic. In this bomb attack Milutin Kostic (44) was seriously wounded. He was also taken by KFOR to the military hospital but was immediately transported by a helicopter to Skopje. The third bomb was thrown on the house of Ljubomir Smiljic, but thank God, it did not explode and was deactivated by KFOR patrol later. Miladin Mladenovic (53) was brutally beaten by unidentified Albanians while he was on his way to visit his wounded son and his friend who were in the KFOR hospital in Lipljan. He was seriously injured around his neck and ear. Another Serb, Novica Savic (70) was beaten by Albanians in the field near his house in Novo Toplicane village. In this incident Novica Savic was seriously wounded by a knife. He was given a medical treatment in the military hospital. The KFOR soldiers reportedly told him that he was lucky because he was not taken to prison. According to their words, he used his gun in self defense. In fact, the weapons was not used by him but by one relative of his who wanted to protect him. With great regret we must say that on all our requests KFOR was not effective enough to prevent burning of homes and the mentioned bomb attacks. We admit that the KFOR patrol deactivated an unexploded bomb and took the statements from the eye witnesses. At 18.00 KFOR authorities convened a meeting with Serbs in Novo Naselje in Lipljan and asked from Serbs to give over their weapons until 9.00 on July 13. When the local Serbs asked explanation about these incidents in Lipljan the KFOR officer did not say anything but only kept insisting that the weapons should be given over to KFOR. He said: "I am not a politician but a soldier." These tragic events disturbed the Serb population which is a majority population in Lipljan because Serbs understand these demonstrations as provocations and the burning of their homes and armed attacks by Albanians as an organized campaign of expulsion of the Serb majority population from Lipljan. During the previous days we have demanded the protection from the local KFOR command in Lipljan. Our Bishop Rt. Rvrd. Artemije personally contacted Brigadier Bailey who in his turn personally and with a letter reassured the Bishop that the decisive steps would be undertaken to protect the Serb community in Lipljan. That was also conformed to us by a British KFOR colonel in Lipljan, sent by Brigadier Bailey. During the conversation Padre Brian Walton was also suggested to remain in contact with me as a local Lipljan priest. So far we have had only one contact during the distribution of the humanitarian aid for Rabovce village near Lipljan. Many of Albanian attackers seem not to be the native inhabitants of Lipljan. So far we have already reported the names of several Albanians from Lipljan and the neighboring villages who were organizing and leading such acts of violence. These are: Agim Tasholi from Bandulic village, Agron Gashi from Lipljan and Rasim Azemi from Lipljan. Reporting to you about this intensified wave of violence and terror by Albanian groups against
[CTRL] Kosovo School Bomb Was NATO's
-Caveat Lector- Kosovo Blast Caused by NATO Bomb By DONNA BRYSON .c The Associated Press PRISTINA, Yugoslavia (AP) - A NATO cluster bomb that exploded as troops cleared munitions from a school killed two peacekeeping soldiers and two villagers - not a Serb booby-trap, the British military said today. The deaths Monday of Lt. Gareth Evans and Sgt. Balaram Rai were the first allied fatalities since NATO entered Kosovo. Dozens of civilians, however, have died in explosions of land mines and booby-traps since peacekeeping troops moved into the southern Serb province on June 12. The explosion occurred at a schoolhouse in Negrovce, a village 20 miles west of Pristina, Kosovo's capital. The soldiers, from the British army's 69th Gurkha Field Squadron that is mostly made up of Nepalese troops, had been called in by villagers who found unexploded cluster bombs at the school, said Lt. Col. Nick Clissitt, a spokesman for the British military in Pristina. ``These were munitions used in order to destroy Serb forces in the field in what was a Serb army and paramilitary police stronghold,'' he explained. Clissitt said the villagers had piled the munitions up next to the schoolhouse before calling peacekeepers to remove it. When the troops showed up, they suggested exploding the pile. But he said the villagers worried the blast would damage their school, and agreed to help the peacekeepers move the bombs into three smaller piles a short distance away, to create smaller explosions. ``It was during the wiring of the charges that two piles detonated prematurely with tragic results,'' Clissitt said. In a related development, British peacekeepers today defused a bomb only 100 feet from the Grand Hotel, the Kosovo capital's biggest hotel and a major gathering place for foreign visitors, the state-run Tanjug news agency said. It was unclear who placed the bomb. Although unexploded bombs, uncleared minefields and booby-traps pose substantial hazards in Kosovo, tens of thousands of refugees are disregarding calls for them to stay put in the Albanian and Macedonian tent camps until the danger can be reduced. The peacekeepers' spokesman, Lt. Col. Robin Clifford, said land mines killed one civilian Monday and a child on Sunday. ``I would repeat the call to refugees ... to exercise caution and restraint when moving around Kosovo, because it is not yet safe,'' he said. U.N. spokesman Kevin Kennedy said mine clearers still don't even know how many mines are scattered around the province. President Clinton arrived in Macedonia today and told a cheering crowd at the Stenkovec refugee camp to seek reconciliation in Kosovo - not revenge. The United States remains committed to keeping an autonomous Kosovo within Yugoslavia instead of promoting independence for the largely Albanian province, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said today. The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees said more than 170,000 of the 860,000 or so refugees expelled from Kosovo have returned in little more than a week. Another 600,000 are in camps or with host families in neighboring countries and 88,000 more have been evacuated to other countries, including 7,500 to the United States. Peace in Kosovo appeared increasingly strong in the wake of Albanian rebels pledging in a pact with NATO to lay down their arms. The deal came Monday, just hours after the last of the 40,000 Serb troops left Kosovo. The 20,000 or so NATO-led KFOR troops now in Kosovo said they were moving beyond initial attempts to quell the violence and were beginning to look ahead by establishing security and laying the groundwork for democratic elections. With the Serb forces' retreat confirmed late Sunday, NATO officially ended its 78-day air campaign. Today, the Belgrade government asked parliament to meet Thursday to end the state of war declared the day NATO launched its airstrikes. Since March 24, the state of war has banned men of military age from leaving the country, let the army take over key institutions and subjected the news media to censorship. Still, reports of a media crackdown persisted. An umbrella group for Yugoslavia's fledging independent radio and television broadcasters said the government was forcing stations to replace their newscasts with those of the state-controlled networks. For its part, the KLA agreed to a broad demilitarization that will require them to leave their checkpoints and halt any military activity unless the peacekeepers approve it first. Although they can keep their handguns, they agreed not to use explosives, to put remaining weapons in storage sites verified by NATO and to clear minefields and booby-traps within seven days. A hard-line Kosovo Albanian rebel, however, said today that the demilitarization agreement with NATO does not require the guerrillas to surrender their weapons and those who expect the KLA to disappear have ``miscalculated.'' ``The agreement does not demand that we give up our arms,'' Rrustem Mustafa told
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Russia, China, and India per the British plan are reacting defensively to the EU, Vatican, Rockefeller over-reaching offensiveWar in Korea and Taiwan to humiliate the US back in sensible Tory British leadership!? In any case, increased hostility and Russia-China-India alliance -- Lloyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:45 AM Subject: Kosovo OK, so you believe that the Kosovo business is a Vatican-German attempt at resurrecting the Old Europe? Here is your scenerio as I understand it: Yugoslavia=an IMF/NWO alligned nation waging war against its Vatican and Muslim neighbors. Long having opposed Germany and Turkey, it stepped right on the toes of NATO and the (Vatican) neo-Cold Warriors. The United States, under Clinton, having just defeated a British coup, was now set to wage World War III under the cloak of a Vatican sponsored "human rights" campaign. Albright, having come out of Georgetown, is instrumental in this. Deep down, I suppose, would be an attempt to put out the Serbian trouble makers for good. If all of this is true, what role does Russia have? Is Russia going along with Clinton and the Vatican? Or is Russia going against this? What about China? *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Video Finder, Free Catalogs, Links, Sweepstakes, What-Not: http://www.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo, Hitler and Mussolini
-Caveat Lector- from http://www.beograd.com/kosovodossier/ GOAL OF COMMUNISTS AND FASCISTS - GREATER ALBANIA If you take into consideration very different engagements of the Albanian communists, who have been coming from Albania to Kosovo and Metohija for variety of reasons since 1941, you will inevitably get the impression that the so-called Djakovica group has been systematically preparing party and political secession of Kosovo from Yugoslavia and that it managed to realize it, at least to some extent, at the Conference in Bujane (31 December 1943 - 2 January 1944). Namely, the resolution adopted at that Conference stressed the significance of the people's liberation war in that part of the Yugoslav territory and expressed the resolve to achieve, on the basis of the right to self-determination, "the centuries old aspirations of Albanians from Kosovo and Metohija to accede to Albania." That was the price of the "internationalist solidarity" of Albanian communists of Kosovo descent who were sent to help Yugoslav communists in the organization of the anti-fascist movement in Kosovo and Metohija. The Conference adopted a resolution, part of which reads as follows: "Kosovo and Metohija is an area populated mostly by the Albanian people that wants, now as ever before - wants to unite with Albania. Accordingly, we feel it incumbent upon us to point to the right track to be taken by the Albanian people in order for them to achieve their aspirations. The only way the Albanians from Kosovo and Metohija can unite with Albania is to fight the occupier and his collaborators together with other Yugoslav peoples. For, it is the only way to win freedom, when all the peoples, and Albanians as well, will be able to decide on their fate with the right to self-determination up to secession." "The point in question is the survival of our people and freedom. There are very few Albanians in Kosovo who think now that we cannot win freedom. There is no such power which can stop Albanian patriotism." --13/14 June 1998 The leadership of the Second Prizren League appealed to Hitler: "YOUR EXCELLENCY, "The Main Committee of the Second Prizren League has ordered me to draw the attention of your esteemed and gracious Excellency to the following: 1. Militarization of Kosovo and liberated Albanian areas under the German leadership The Main Committee of the Second Prizren League, taking into account this highly charged and tense phase in which the Albanian problem has found itself owing to the demands of the present stage of the war, and in full agreement with the government and the people, has decided to carry out the militarization of Kosovo and all Albanian areas which, thanks to the heroism of the German Army, were annexed to Albania in 1941. That would secure the final liberation of the Albanian people on the side of the German Reich in the coming battles. This militarization is aimed at raising an army of a total strength of 120,000 - 150,000 combatants willing to fight, and which would be able to successfully take upon itself fighting against Serbian and Montenegrin Partisans throughout the present war. It would be able to defend the Albanian cause under any circumstances which might arise after the war owing to the difficult and dangerous situation." By the end of June 1941, 11,168 Serbian and Montenegrin families, primarily settlers under the 1919 Land Reform and Colonization Law, were removed from Kosovo and Metohija. Through this exodus which lasted to August 1944, many settlements of Serbs and Montenegrins were destroyed and razed to the ground. The abandoned houses and farms were taken by immigrants from Albania and neighbouring Albanian families. In such a manner, the main part of the plan for establishing ethnic links between Kosovo and Albania was realized already during the war, and the Second Prizren League, formed in September 1943 as a military and political organization entrusted with the defence of areas annexed to Albania in 1941, became a guarantor of the unity and defence. Crimes committed by the Kosovo regiment and 21st SS division "Skenderbeg" in their attempts to attain this objective have shown the pathological obsession of the considerable portion of the Albanian population with defence of "ethnic Albania." Afraid that they might lose the "state" which was created for them by Mussolini and for whose defence since 1943 German military forces were responsible, the Albanians in Yugoslavia, involved in almost every form of collaboration, were very reserved toward anything that might bind their further political destiny to Yugoslavia. Popular resistance for national liberation in Kosovo and Metohija was considered to be purposeless sacrificing for the preservation of Yugoslavia, and they made no difference between Partisans and Chetniks. This conviction was shared by collaborators, nationalists and few Albanian communists,
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Kosovo - What is This Current Crisis Really About?]
-Caveat Lector- Don Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In 1996, a source told us that Germany was creating an "Inland Water Way" which would open up trade from the Black Sea to the Baltic and North Seas. One of the Rivers that would be part of this "Inland Water Way" is the Danube. The Danube starts in Germany's Black forest region, flows through Austria, Hungary, and Yugoslavia, in particular its capitol, Belgrade. The Danube then become the border between Bulgaria and Romania before it turns north. The Danube flows north to the city of Galati where it then turns east and trifurcates before flowing into the Black Sea near Odessa. snip According to Fischer's *Germany's Aims in the First World War* (1965), one aspect of the master plan of the German General Staff during WWI was the establishment of German hegemony over the entire Danube valley, for the precise reason stated in Ru Mills' article. The General Staff also planned to control Mesopotamia (modern Iraq and Kuwait). Back to the future? Ahead to the past? What goes around, comes around... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo - What is This Current Crisis Really About?
-Caveat Lector- URL - http://www.rumormillnews.com/current/kosovo.html Kosovo: The Truth Behind the Headlines What Is This Current Crisis Really About? 03.26.99 RM News Readers who have been following RMNews know that there area two things we have been predicting, the return of the Iron Curtain and the Second American Revolution. Our predictions of these coming world events are based on conversations with men who have been, and are privy to the great halls of power on a world wide basis. In 1996, one of our best Sources told us that Continental Europe (this means the UK is not included) was primarily responsible for the "seeming" collapse of the Soviet Union and the freeing of the European nations who were enslaved by the Soviets after World War Two. According to the Source, this was done to free "some" of the European nations that were given to the Soviets by the Allies at the end of World War Two. This source told us that the collapse of the Soviet Union was only an "illusion" and it would be a temporary one. Evidently the deal that was made would see that the USSR stayed in ruins long enough for the European nations of Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Slovenia, Herzegovina and Montenegro to become free from the Soviet yoke and become part of Europe once again. The source who gave us this information did not mention Poland, Serbia, Romania or Bulgaria or any of the other countries that suffered under the Soviets. RMNews does not know if these countries were intended to remain part of the newly created European Union, or if they would fall once more under the Russian boot once the Iron Curtain goes back up. Our source told us that the small ethic and tribal wars that are raging around the world troubled him. He said that in today's world, it is much too easy for a rogue nation or a rogue faction to create or buy nuclear and/or biological weapons. And unfortunately, there are too many of "rogues" to keep track of. He said the only way to bring these rogue nations and factions back under control was to bring back the Iron Curtain and the Cold War. He maintained that "peace" was far easier to keep when the United States and the Soviets had their nuclear missiles pointed at each other. He laughed when he said this, as if he knew the cold war was really a sham which owed the world to be divided between two Masters. Just think how easy it was for Washington to raise our taxes and increase our military when the Soviets had nuclear weapons pointed at us. If there was no nuclear threat, would the American people hand over their money to the IRS and allow the United States to spend billions on developing a Star Wars system? The International bankers who are behind the New World Order created the best enemy money could buy when they created the Soviet Union. The Two Factions RMNews has written many times about the two factions that vie for control of the world, but for the sake of those who have not read our back issues, a brief explanation is in order. Faction One is called the New World Order. It is made up of the International Bankers who control the English throne, financed the Russian Revolution, created the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, the International Monetary Fund, he World Bank, the United Nations, and the modern day environmental movement through which humans become "an alien specie" and become targeted for "population control," i.e. elimination. Faction Two was originally made up from a group of Continental Europeans who believe that the International Bankers of the New World Order destroyed their idyllic way of life, burned their Empire and plundered their fortunes. Many members of Faction Two are descended from the thrones that were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. These people have knowingly done battle with the New World Order since 1776. This was the year the Illuminati threat to the thrones of Europe was exposed by the King of Bavaria. Once exposed, the Illuminati agents were thrown out of the royal courts. After World War Two, many of these men were forced into hiding. Some of them came to the United States and were put to work for various intelligence agencies. At the moment, the leaders of Faction Two hide within Navy Intelligence. The members of Faction Two are everywhere, even in the White House and the Council of Foreign Relations. The Illuminati is the driving force behind the men who keep alive the dream of a One World Government which is based on their version of Utopia. Their Utopia would be an Idyllic Paradise where all rights flowed to mankind from their government, and the only purpose for mankind was to serve the government. The Illuminati spirit now runs the International Banks and forms the basic belief system of the New World Order. Faction Two claims to believe in an ancient Knights Templar Charter which states: Each living being possesses basic divine rights. The most basic right
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Another Holocaust? HARDLY
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 05/14/1999 4:36:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ``At the end of the line when these poor Kosovo refugees enter Macedonia or Albania, waiting for them is not extermination ovens and gas chambers, but food, clothing, medical supplies and airplanes to take them to other parts of Europe or the United States,'' Lantos said. The only difference here is that the world is aware, and steps are being taken to give aid and help them escape. Had my president and the pope and a few other high ranking authorities taken the same action on behalf of the Jews, that holocaust would have been a bit different also. It was the fact that the world sat back and as much as said to Hitler, "Have at it." that created the Holocaust. The entire western world is guilty. Of course now that action is being taken to keep a holocaust from happening, we hear nothing but complaints, so perhaps the people prefer the holocaust to helping their fellow human beings. If so, it is not the first time they have shown their compassion in this way. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo: to which drumbeat do the Democrats march?
-Caveat Lector- The New Australian Kosovo: to which drumbeat do the Democrats march? By James Henry No. 113, 29 March - 4 April 1999 The Balkans is more than a political dog's dinner it could be dynamite for the US. The vast majority of Americans cannot distinguish between Balkan and Baltic. But they soon will. They will also learn why the Balkans were considered at the turn of the century by sophisticated European politicians to be the "powder keg" of Europe. It was there that the Great War was ignited by the assassination of Prince Franz Ferdinand by a Serbian nationalist in the city of Sarajevo in 1914. Now, as we approach the turning of another century, the Balkans have once again become a "powder keg" and good ol' President Bill Clinton (patron saint of draft dodgers) has decided to light another fuse. Why? What is it all about? How does Bill's Big Balkan Adventure serve the interests of Americans, or even most Europeans? The Republican's only support him out of traditional respect for the presidency, an office that Bill and his friends cheerfully dragged into the sewer. But why are the Democrats once again in lockstep with a policy that will bring home body bags for no apparent good reason? As I pointed out in American liberalism and fifth columns* the Democrats now support interventionist policies that guarantee casualties and huge costs in materiel without any gain for the American people. When Reagan funded anti-Marxist groups struggling to overthrow pro-Soviet regimes he was accused by Democrats of interfering in these states' internal affairs, even though these states intended to spread revolution right up to the Rio Grande. Now that's what I call an American interest. Yet they ridiculed Reagan when he pointed this out. And that is my basic point. It is because this action does not serve US security interests that these Democrats support it. The same Democrats who attacked operation Desert Storm. A Democratic administration involved the US in Vietnam for the noblest of reasons. The same will never be said of US actions in Serbia. Many left-wing Democrats in the Senate and Congress see intervention in Bosnia as a moral crusade and that is why they are so willing to send American troops and pilots into combat in Bosnia and Serbia. Naturally, these politicians are not so morally committed as to volunteer for combat themselves. They've got dumb patriotic Americans to do that for them. The kind that respect the flag and the Constitution and all that they stand for. I began with the statement that the Balkan's are more than political dog's dinner. Even that is an understatement. The region's ancient hatreds, blood feuds, religious and ethnic conflicts go back centuries, even before the Turkish conquest, and they are not going to be resolved by NATO bombings. The region was the last genuine Turkish outpost in Europe until the 1878 Congress of Berlin saw the virtual annexation of Bosnia-Herzegovina by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, despite the Kingdom of Serbia's historical claim to the area. That was 121 years ago. The Austro-Hungarian Empire has gone, along with the Habsburgs, but NATO has arrived instead. NATO is a defensive organisation: it has no business becoming involved in military conflicts unless those conflicts present a clear danger to any member of the Alliance. The Balkans do not. They are what they have been for centuries a long-running European tragedy and a boil on the backside of Europe. Well now that it has been lanced, maybe we should let the political puss drain away, brutal as that sounds, while doing everything in our power to alleviate the pain. What we cannot do is occupy the place or change the inhabitants' thinking. Moreover, NATO has violated its own charter which only sanctions force if a member is attacked. (I emphasise is because Bill has difficulty in understanding its grammatical function). I have not argued the rights and wrongs of the conflicts because I don't know what they are. And if I did, I don't see how we could fix them anyway. It's true that terrible crimes have been committed. But crimes on a much vaster scale have been committed elsewhere, and still are, without us being called in. So what are the Democrat's left-wingers playing at? What is it about Serbia, but not North Korea or Beijing, they find particularly repulsive? I reckon I've got the answer. Milosevic looks, sounds and acts like a right-wing thug. As one 'activist' (meaning left-wing) Democrat said to me: "He's nothing but a fascist." To these American Leftists there is something cathartic and vicarious about bombing Belgrade morality hasn't got a damn thing to do with it. It's all about satisfying their ideological fantasies about fascism. Too yellow to fight themselves, they'll see it live care of the Turner/Fonda network as GIs risk their lives to do their ideological dirty work for them. And for this young American men and women could die. These are the very same people
[CTRL] Kosovo Another Holocaust? HARDLY
-Caveat Lector- Some Bristle at Holocaust Parallel By DEB RIECHMANN .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton draws parallels between what Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic is doing in Kosovo and what Adolf Hitler did in the Holocaust. But Jewish leaders bridle at the comparison: Nothing, they say, is like the mass exterminations during World War II. In a speech to 200 veterans of foreign wars, Clinton spoke of the two tragedies in the same breath. Although Milosevic's ``ethnic cleansing is not the same as the ethnic extermination at the Holocaust, the two are related -- both vicious, premeditated, systematic oppression fueled by religious and ethnic hatred,'' Clinton said Thursday. National security spokesman David Leavy says Clinton is not belittling Hitler's systematic annihilation of 6 million Jews in the 1930s and 1940s. He's only pointing out the similarities -- forced rapes, mass executions, erasing of people's identities, Leavy said. ``There is no comparison to the Holocaust in scale and scope,'' he said. ``(But) while it's not of the same magnitude, the Holocaust and what we're seeing today have similarities.'' Phil Baum, director of the American Jewish Congress, a New York-based human rights organization, says the crisis in Kosovo is a political conflict with a political solution. In World War II, there was nothing the Jews could do to save themselves from the German government's efforts to exterminate them, Baum said. ``I'm not offended, but it tends to trivialize the Holocaust. It denigrates the historical meaning of the Holocaust,'' Baum says of the comparison. ``It reduces it to a political conflict, and that is not what it was. It was an attempt to destroy the Jewish people.'' Comparing the two is a waste of time, says Hyman Bookbinder, a member of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council's Committee on Conscience. ``There are some people who feel it's not fair to the victims of the Holocaust to call it a Holocaust,'' Bookbinder said. ``Nothing is like the Holocaust, but the fact that it's not exactly like it doesn't matter. It's a major human rights violation. We must not let the Kosovo tragedy go unattended.'' Elie Wiesel, a Nobel Peace laureate and author who spoke last month at a White House lecture series hosted by Clinton, agrees. It's time to stop the conflict in Kosovo, not discuss whether the crisis is another Holocaust. Wiesel, who survived Hitler's death camps at Buchenwald and Auschwitz, said the comparisons began in the early 1990s during the war in Bosnia. ``Some reports referred to Auschwitz in Bosnia. I saw the prison camps at Banja Luka (in Bosnia); the conditions were deplorable and the prisoners terrified,'' Wiesel wrote recently in Newsweek magazine. ``But it was not Auschwitz. Auschwitz was an extermination camp, a black hole in history. Victims were taken there to be turned into ashes. Now we are witnessing a nightmare in Kosovo; it demands action, not comparison.'' Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., who has relatives who died at Auschwitz, said he too is appalled by what is happening to ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. Still, it's not the Holocaust, says Lantos, who supports NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. ``At the end of the line when these poor Kosovo refugees enter Macedonia or Albania, waiting for them is not extermination ovens and gas chambers, but food, clothing, medical supplies and airplanes to take them to other parts of Europe or the United States,'' Lantos said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo A B C of War
-Caveat Lector- The path clear, President Clinton ordered a summit with Hollywood on the culture of teen violence (oblivious to the irony as U.S. bombs pummeled Yugoslavia), The "irony"completely passes me by. From Bosnia through to Kosovo we have seen endless reports of totally sickening, and mainly Serb, atrocities. We seem to have tried every conceivable means of getting them to stop, with no success. Very, very reluctantly - more for reason of body-bags than anything else - after umpteen threats, we have resorted to bombing. Rather than being immoral, my inclination is to think it too little, too late. REPLY SIGN AWAY KOSOVO OR WE BOMB YOU WAS THE POLICY OF ALBRIGHT, BERGER AND COHEN THE US-LED UNPROVOKED WAR ON YUGOSLAVIA IS A CONTRAVENTION OF THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS NATO BOMBING HAS KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, DISPLACED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, AND DONE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE The NATO attack upon Yugoslavia/Serbia is not for humanitarian objectives. (SEE FOOTNOTES) American-led sanctions have resulted in the death of one and a quarter million people in Iraq. What other methods have been used in the name of the American people but without their consent? "Sometimes directed, but generally coordinated by NATO, with participation of the C.I.A. and British secret service," clandestine groups have been used in Europe "for domestic political purposes, possibly even terrorism, to justify government crackdowns and defense preparedness." (N.Y. Times N. 14, 1990 A29). Centralization of power is the objective. The direction in which we are being moved for the 21st century, is toward centralization of power. Peace, Democracy, free enterprise, are slogans used to sell acceptance of a loss of liberty to control our futures. NATO and the European Union, and their extension eastward, represent European aggregation of power under American patronage. European military dependence is assured through NATO command and American weapons requiring U.S. spare parts. Political and economic control may be maintained through the banking system. If the U.S.A. controls Europe, then whoever controls the U.S.A. controls the greatest show on earth. INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL FOR HUMAN ECOLOGY AND ETHNOLOGY P.O. 7024, New York, [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ichee.org NY. 10128-0010 FOOTNOTES NEW YORK TIMES_HEADLINE APRIL 18, 1999 How a President, Distracted by Scandal, Entered Balkan War By ELAINE SCIOLINO and ETHAN BRONNER On Jan. 19, President Clinton's top aides met in the Situation Room in the White House basement to hear a fateful new plan for an autonomous Kosovo from Madeleine K. Albright, the Secretary of State. NATO, she urged, should use the threat of air strikes on Yugoslavia to force a peace agreement to be monitored by the alliance's ground troops. //END OF QUOTE The BOMBING was the policy of Albright, Berger, and Cohen. In an interview with U.S. Secretary of State (then Ambassador) Albright (May 12, 1996) on the TV program '60 Minutes,' for which Leslie Stahl was given a Columbia University School of Journalism award in 1997, she said that U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization figures showed that half a million children died from starvation as a result of the American-led sanctions against Iraq. "I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Ambassador Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price-we think the price is worth it." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo rebels denounce peace bid!
-Caveat Lector- Kosovo rebels denounce peace bid By Liz Sly Tribune Foreign Correspondent May 7, 1999 CONTINUING COVERAGE Keep up with updated coverage on the bombings in Yugoslavia. TIRANA, Albania -- The Kosovo Liberation Army Thursday said it would not agree to lay down its arms under terms of the accord reached in Bonn for ending the Kosovo conflict, offering a hint of just one of the difficulties any peace settlement may encounter. "After all that has happened in Kosovo in the past months, we cannot discuss the disarming of the KLA," said Jakup Krasniqi, a senior KLA spokesman, in response to the accord reached between NATO and Russia on the shape of future security arrangements for Kosovo. The accord includes a provision for the disarmament of the guerrilla army, which is fighting Serb forces inside Kosovo and along its border with Albania. The KLA seeks full Kosovo independence, not the "autonomy" sought by NATO. "The conditions under which the KLA will agree to disarm do not exist and I do not think they will ever exist in the Balkans," Krasniqi said. "Such a demand is very unjust." Until now, the KLA has largely been discounted in efforts to reach a solution to the Kosovo crisis. It is lightly armed and inexperienced, and its leaders readily acknowledge that it is no match for the professionally trained, well-armed Yugoslav army. But it does have guns, and its ranks have been swelled by thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of new recruits from among the refugees forced from their homes by the Serbs. KLA claims that it has 60,000 adherents both inside Kosovo and along Albania's borders cannot be substantiated. The KLA is adamantly opposed to any kind of deal that would uphold Serb sovereignty over Kosovo, something President Clinton has insisted must be maintained to protect the integrity of disputed borders throughout the Balkans. "This war makes no sense unless it results in the independence of Kosovo. There is no other solution," Krasniqi said. Political divisions among the fractious Kosovars are also deepening as the conflict progresses. The shared horror of the brutality they have suffered at Serb hands in recent weeks has temporarily masked those differences, but they threaten to erupt into squabbles over who will control Kosovo's future if a peace settlement is reached. On the eve of the NATO bombing campaign, the KLA commanded the support of a relatively small minority of Kosovars, most of whom had shunned the guerrillas' embrace of violence in favor of the pacifist approach of the interim Kosovo government of President Ibrahim Rugova. But when the mass expulsions of Kosovars began, support for the KLA soared. Rugova's appearance alongside Milosevic on television appealing for an end to the bombing campaign caused many of his supporters to doubt his leadership. The KLA has now set up its own "government" of Kosovo and denounces the one established under Rugova's presidency as a "traitor" and ally of Belgrade. But Rugova's government continues to assert its existence as the true representative of the Kosovo people because it was elected by an overwhelming majority in clandestine elections held in 1997. It vilifies the KLA as undemocratic and accuses it of Marxist-Leninist tendencies. Rugova was allowed to leave Kosovo on Wednesday and at a press conference in Rome Thursday he threw his support behind NATO participation in a peacekeeping force. There is also a small KLA faction loyal to Rugova's government, though the bulk of the guerrilla army answers to the KLA-backed government. Although their political leaders cannot agree, on the front lines the two KLA factions are fighting as one army, according to KLA fighters on both sides and independent observers. Send the text of this story to someone's email address http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ws/item/0,1267,11249-11250-28165, 00.html Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To
[CTRL] Kosovo Recap (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- KOSOVO RECAP (CNNS, 05/03/99) -- In case you are tuning in late, here is our story thus far . . . . ** August 1995: As many as 500,000 ethnic Serbs were brutally driven from Croatia. Many of these Serbs "fell prey to the depredations of merciless paramilitary death squads, who committed hideous acts of plunder, rape, and mass murder." [1] This Croatian military campaign of "ethnic cleansing" was *assisted* -- not challenged -- by NATO. Also helping the Croats was Military Professional Resources Incorporated (MPRI), "a private military and intelligence consulting firm based in Virginia..." [2] ** February 1996: George Soros, international financial gambler and responsible, many believe, for ruining several Asian currencies, learns that Serbia has annulled his financial front, the Soros Fund, in their country. The Serbian Supreme Court rules that the Soros Fund can no longer operate in Yugoslavia. [3] Is Soros connected in some way with Kissinger Associates? ** October 1998: "Upon the talks of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic with special American envoy Richard Holbrooke, in October 1998, and upon the agreement to resolve the problems in Kosovo and Metohia in a peaceful way and by political means, the Serbian government adopted on October 13, Principles for Political Solution of Problems in Kosovo and Metohia." [4]. Might there have been peace? Perhaps, except that the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) thereupon began a terror campaign, randomly attacking, wounding and killing Serb policemen. [5]. The KLA, "which the Clinton administration has embraced and some members of Congress want to arm as part of the NATO bombing campaign, is a terrorist organization that has financed much of its war effort with profits from the sale of heroin," says an article in today's Washington Times newspaper. [6]. (Note to Dan "Sleepy" Rather: Wake up and smell the coffee; there's a story here.) Following the KLA's terror campaign against Serb police, the police naturally launch a counter-attack against the KLA. *At that point*, a propaganda assault by KLA, who were in turn helped by a Washington, DC media consulting firm, succeeded in demonizing the Serbs, at least in the minds of many. ** January 1999: News of a so-called "Racak Massacre" explodes. But the purported Racak Massacre turns out to have been a fake, a set-up, staged for an either gullible or even complicit mass media. (See CNNS 03/25/99, "Kosovo Drugs Target 'Christian Infidels.'") Yet the "Racak Massacre" serves the purpose of igniting war hysteria. The question to be asked is, Are Clinton, Cohen and Albright possibly so gullible that they bought the "Racak Massacre" story hook, line and sinker? Can the elite White House trio really be that gullible? A scarey thought. ** March 1999: U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright tries to "negotiate" the Rambouillet Agreement. Albright's methods of "negotiation" are Neanderthal: "Sign it, or we'll bomb the sh** out of you." Don Feder, writing in the Boston Herald newspaper, compares Albright's "diplomacy" to that of a Mafia chieftain: "Doing a bad imitation of Vito Corleone at Rambouillet, Albright told the Serbs she would have either their signatures or their brains on the peace accord." [7] But the Serbs will not surrender their homeland, so on March 24, 1999, NATO begins a "rain of terror," bombing Yugoslavia. The NATO operation, called "Operation Allied Force," has the apt initials O-A-F, notes journalist John McLaughlin. ** April 1999: Reverse speech analysis by David Oates reveals Bill Clinton saying as follows: "There's famine down the way / Elf bomb Serb." It turns out, a month later, that famine is indeed imminent in Kosovo. As to "Elf bombs," this may signify high-tech electromagnetic frequency weaponry of some type. A reader has contacted CNNS and offered the following information: The NATO must get a better light in the world. This can be only with HIGH TECH! From Feb.99 to April.99, 14 satellites go into orbit.Official communication-satellites, but is it real? It can be microwave-weapons which can make an earthquake. ** May 1999: Newsweek set to report on imminent famine in Kosovo. Crisis in Albanian refugee camps. Can Albanians really return safely to their homeland, now that Depleted Uranium weapons have possibly contaminated the region? What "homes" do these refugees now have to go back to? Mirjana Markovic, wife of Serb president Slobodan Milosevic, grants interview to "Sleepy Dan" Rather, of CBS's "60 Minutes" program. Markovic comes across as highly credible when she says, for example, "Yugoslavia is defending its territory... Albanians would never
[CTRL] Kosovo Speech Reversals
-Caveat Lector- Speech reversals from David Oates, from his web site http://www.reversespeech.com regarding Yugoslav "conflict". Latest Reversals on Kosovo The following reversals are the first to be found on the Kosovo conflict. May more will be posted over the next few days... [Play Stream][Download File] Evil the weapon. Mustn't show by the sulk (general - nato briefing) [Play Stream][Download File] Erase the sense (nato briefing) [Play Stream][Download File] Seen its sex in a gun (Nato briefing) [Play Stream][Download File] Must remember it / shoot for those ships (Clinton 4/1) [Play Stream][Download File] War must mend the big seal this end (Clinton) [Play Stream][Download File] Theres famine down the way / Elf bomb Serb (Clinton) [Play Stream][Download File] Our friend in the wash / World war hustle [Play Stream][Download File] This jewish Nun with the crime [Play Stream][Download File] Failure in this group [Play Stream][Download File] It helps an old gun, madam [Play Stream][Download File] Serbs give out a slut / Old man leave it, the land - Kissinger [Play Stream][Download File] In their Ireland circle, washes their money - Kissinger [Play Stream][Download File] Shares a fire, I tell 'em / and we face it on your serb - Kissinger [Play Stream][Download File] Serbs, the Lord / Phil we want to get to them (Kosovo14) Clinton [Play Stream][Download File] This will (beeb) honorable crime, I know (Kosovo15) Clinton [Play Stream][Download File] We go with the war (Kosovo16) Clinton [Play Stream][Download File] The plan will sniff the Russan sea / I see awful crime (Kosovo17) (Sen John McCay) [Play Stream][Download File] Lay down the Rome 11 / We shaved the debit (Kosovo 18) (Sen John McCay) [Play Stream][Download File] You love this earth. Hear that dirt / They had to pull them out (Kos 19) Sen Roberts [Play Stream][Download File] Nasty Whore was NATO, yes Kosovo20 (translator) [Play Stream][Download File] Serve the crime, you deal it Kosovo21 (Kissinger) [Play Stream][Download File] I will shelter the snake, we're all united, serving our family Kosovo22 (Ken Bacon) [Play Stream][Download File] All units, we shall nuke em / Burn the sheep Kosovo23 [Play Stream][Download File] He'll surrender yetKosovo24 - William Cohen [Play Stream][Download File] This rule is so secret -- Kosovo25 James Rubin [Play Stream][Download File] One using authority --- Kosovo26 Joe Lockhart (WH press secretary) [Play Stream][Download File] He'll want you dead --- Kosovo27 Cohen [Play Stream][Download File] Talk Military - Kosovo28- Reporter [LINK] Copyright © 1997-1999 Reverse Speech Enterprises DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo War, planned?
socialist named Adolph Hitler who received overwhelming money from Wall Street (see Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony Sutton or WHo Financed Hitler by James Poole -- the original 70s edition, as the recent on has 200 pages missing) and Rothschild money (talked about by Rakovsky in Red Symphony) who begins saber rattling against German Jews; next, International Jewry calls a boycott against Germany in 1933 to be lifted when enough Jews are transported to Palestine; Next Roosevelt (always best friend to the Zionists) closes America for all practical purposes to Jewish Immigration from 1935 to 1945 -- Jews are left with one out -- go to Palestine. Now here's the tidbit: the first ship carrying Jews to Palestine from Germany was captained by a Nazi officer (high up) and the ships name was changed from the Hofhausen (crossed out) to Tel Aviv (painted on) AND -- the ship flew two flags: the Swastika and the Star of David! Needless to say there's much more - but this should keep the plate full for any serious researcher. Many of these books are hard to find, but are usually at big library's; some are readily available. Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. P.S. Nazi official Rudolph Hess, who had made the surprise mission to Churchill in 1942 at which landing he was jailed till the end of the war -- sat all alone in Spandau prison from 1945 to 1989 -- with four countries (US, FRance, USSR, and Great Britain) each sending soldiers to guard this big prison with just Hess in it -- each country taking one week every month. Why did he sit there, never allowed to talk to his family without a NATO official present to monitor? He sat there as a warning to all those high officials in Britain, Germany and elsewhere who knew about the tranfer agreement between the Third Reich and the founders of Israel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [prj] Political Insight Into the Origin of the War with Serbia YOUR PERSONAL POST OFFICE...TRY IT FREE FOR 90 DAYS! It's like having your own post office, right in your home. No more tripsto buy stamps. Meter refills itself. Save up to 20% on postage. Try it free for 90 days. Click here! http://a-albionic.com/postoffice.html ** * END Damian B. Cooper wrote: YOUR PERSONAL POST OFFICE...TRY IT FREE FOR 90 DAYS! It's like having your own post office, right in your home. No more tripsto buy stamps. Meter refills itse A lengthy but interesting analysis into Internationalism's War of Aggression. I've not heard of "Western Forum" before. DBC A Western Forum Editorial Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domain: http://westernforum.webjump.com snip Zionists have their own individual interests. At a minimum these interests run parallel to corporate interests - i.e., whatever benefits the corporations also happens to benefit Israel - but often are simply one and the same thing. No one can dispute the extensive Zionist influence in the government of the United States since World War I. Today, they occupy the majority of the Clinton administration. It seems reasonable to conclude that multi-national interests have been strongly - if not completely - under Zionist management for almost a century. snip BFWhat proof is there of this? It would appear to me that if Zionism is an outgrowth, in the secular sense, of the Freemasonic-Novus Ordo Seclorum paradigm, though an extension that is not atheistic or globalistic, then it would oppose the interests of the neo-Holy Alliance, or the Rockefeller-multinational-national security state New World Order. And how has America been ruined by "mandatory democracy", as if we had any such thing? Brian Kennedy, or someone, should answer this for me so that I understand, once and for all. The only thing I agree here is that NATO and the US are manipulated in all of this, just as the Slavs are. But Zionists are only a mnaipulated entity too, and are quite a pain in the "tuchus" to both schoolss of orthodox political globalism, even as the yearning for the Messiah may represent a globalist urge of some kind. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Kosovo War, planned? -Caveat Lector- THE FOLLOWING new world order INTELLIGENCE UPDATE WAS WRITTEN ON MAY 16, 1998 and refers to the 1996 and 1998 Bilderberg Meetings and Kosovo... (This is me speaking, btw, in these next three paragraphs.) The first time I ever heard the word "Kosovo" was over two years ago in the reports which forecast how the Bilderbergers hoped to bring about a debilitating war
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo War, planned?
the interests of the neo-Holy Alliance, or the Rockefeller-multinational-national security state New World Order. And how has America been ruined by "mandatory democracy", as if we had any such thing? Brian Kennedy, or someone, should answer this for me so that I understand, once and for all. The only thing I agree here is that NATO and the US are manipulated in all of this, just as the Slavs are. But Zionists are only a mnaipulated entity too, and are quite a pain in the "tuchus" to both schoolss of orthodox political globalism, even as the yearning for the Messiah may represent a globalist urge of some kind. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Kosovo War, planned? -Caveat Lector- THE FOLLOWING new world order INTELLIGENCE UPDATE WAS WRITTEN ON MAY 16, 1998 and refers to the 1996 and 1998 Bilderberg Meetings and Kosovo... (This is me speaking, btw, in these next three paragraphs.) The first time I ever heard the word "Kosovo" was over two years ago in the reports which forecast how the Bilderbergers hoped to bring about a debilitating war of attrition in the heart of Europe with tendrils eventual spreading towards Russia, Syria and Israel. No doubt, in the interim, Bilderberger agents provocateurs have been working full time on all sides to foment the present war. The following is about the 1998 Bilderberg-creep meeting with references to the 1996 meeting. These creeps are hoping this war will spread into Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Bulgaria, RUSSIA, and finally, involve the US in their nwo malevolence. Lucifer must have some magnificent palaces all ready for these heroes of hell-creeps when they shed their mortal coils - and I do mean coils, as in snakes... Sky dragons? Dracs? And what is the traditional symbol of China? The dragon. Remember, Albania is and always has been a Red Chinese puppet and a drug conduit to the west via the KLA for drugs from China and SE Asia Since what the nwo Intelligence Update's 1996 report said was going to happen has now come to pass in Kosovo in 1999, I re-read the following with great pause because of what it may foreshadow for the entire region (Greece and Turkey and Cyprus) and for Russia and the Middle East and the US. The Bilderberg-made storm clouds are gathering! I am so awestruck by the level of deceit and evil these nwo manipulators are into that I cannot say another word. Brad "The Coming Kosovo War, Greece, Turkey, And Cyprus... "In our June, 1996, Special Report on the Bilderbergers, the New World Order Intelligence Update warned that the globalist elite had planned a Balkans war which would become the "Vietnam of the '90's"; and that, if they could not get such a war going by inflaming the Serbs through the use of NATO "snatch squads" to seize suspected war criminals for trial at the Hague, their plan was to use Kosovo as the flashpoint to ignite a regional conflict which would ultimately embroil the Yugoslav federation, Bosnia, Russia, Greece, Turkey, Albania, Macedonia, the Western European military powers, the United States, and by extension - as allies of Turkey and Greece - Israel and Syria. Now, from virtually nowhere, the well-financed Kosovan Liberation Army has sprung into the limelight and the scene is being set for a Balkan war of unbelievable carnage and merciless hostility. "We further warned that, if the war in Kosovo took too long to engineer or eluded the elite altogether, then their fall-back plan was to create a vicious conflict between Turkey and Greece over Cyprus, and to push the war back into the Balkans area from there." 1998 BILDERBERG MEETING ENDS WAR PLANNED ON CYPRUS IF KOSOVO CRISIS STALLED EUROPEAN-ATLANTIC UNION EYED AS NEXT STEP IN GLOBALISM TRUCULENT JAPAN CAUSING CONCERN REGARDING PLANNED ASIAN UNION [Copyright (c) 1998, New World Order Intelligence Update. This article may be reposted to Internet conferences and Web sites if unaltered and unedited. Prior permission to otherwise reprint or reproduce is required, and may be obtained by contacting John Whitley as detailed below.] CONTACT: John Whitley E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 416-481 4868 Fax: 416-322 3686 TORONTO, 16th May, 1998 The 1998 meeting of the secretive and immensely-powerful Bilderberg Group closes tomorrow at the luxurious Turnberry Hotel in Ayrshire, Scotland. The 120 or so Bilderbergers, who normally converge at their pre-selected venue with as much secrecy as possible, had hoped that their selection for the May 14th - 17th conference this year, 15 miles south of Ayr and a quarter of a mile away
[CTRL] Kosovo Conspiracy#1-the waste land battle
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:516583"Kosovo Conspiracy#1-the waste land battle /A - Subject: Kosovo Conspiracy#1-the waste land battle From: "Kosovo Conspiracy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Apr 21, 1999 11:52 PM Message-id: 7fmkib$nni$[EMAIL PROTECTED] NATO, western democracies, and now Eastern European countries are more and more involved in war in Yugoslavia. There is an enormous military power, propaganda, and billions of dollars wasted in battle over the worthless and unproductive peace of Balkans land. The small war going on for centuries between Christian Serb and Moslem Albanian become an international issue. It must be more in this war -- conspiracy. Please e-mail your theory for this list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Theory #1: There is no conspiracy. This is an humanitarian war to stop the ethnic cleansing, and make this region stable. The strike blew out of the proportions because NATO didnt achieve any of the goals, and can not afford to loose. Theory #2: James Hooper, executive director of the Balkan Action Council at the US government, said: "Accept that the Balkans are a region of strategic interest for the United States, the new Berlin if you will, the testing ground for NATO's resolve and US leadership. [...]" Thanks to Kosovo, the NATO can eventually control Caspian oil pipeline routes between the Black Sea and the Adriatic, and to ensure its hegemony over the Eurasian land mass. Theory #3: NATO's real target is Russia because it is the world's largest country with the world's largest untapped natural resources. Russia still has an arsenal of nuclear missiles, making it potentially a very dangerous country. The victory over Yugoslavia is absolutely essential if NATO is to represent the strength and resolve of the western powers. If NATO cannot crush small, defenseless Yugoslavia, what chance will it have of crushing Russia? All of this may take World War III to accomplish, but that's what world wars are supposed to do: remake the map of the world. Theory #4: Clinton is using the conflict to cover the series of administration scandals. He is defining his legacy. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Conspiracy#1-the waste land battle
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Kosovo Conspiracy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Theory #1: There is no conspiracy. This is an "humanitarian war" to stop the ethnic cleansing, and make this region stable. The strike blew out of the proportions because NATO didn't achieve any of the goals, and can not afford to loose. If true, members of this list would be deprived of a major topic of discussion. Thus, even IF true, this theory is useless, ie it cuts off possible areas of exploration and debate. Best to ignore it. Theory #2: James Hooper, executive director of the Balkan Action Council at the US government, said: "Accept that the Balkans are a region of strategic interest for the United States, the new Berlin if you will, the testing ground for NATO's resolve and US leadership. To establish the validity of this hypothesis, proponents must establish 1) that the US has *vital* interests in the Balkans, and 2) that "NATO's resolve and US leadership" CAN be strengthened by success here. The next, invalid statement attempts to bolster point (1), but fails; and overwhelming international criticism undermines point (2). Bother. [...]" Thanks to Kosovo, the NATO can eventually control Caspian oil pipeline routes between the Black Sea and the Adriatic, and to ensure its hegemony over the Eurasian land mass. Everyone look at your maps. Kosova doesn't have a seacoast; Albania, Montenegro, Croatia and Greece occupy the east shore of the Adriatic. Controlling one of those states COULD cut off oil... to Venice and Trieste - the rest of Europe would be unaffected. Please note Kosova's location in relation to the rest of Eurasia, down at a far nub. How much leverage is gained by controlling that bit of real estate? If Kosova is vital, why didn't Socialist Yugoslavia control Eurasia? Is Kosova vital to ANYONE for geostrategic reasons? To whom? Note that Caspian oil routes do/can transit Azerbaijan, Georgia, Russia, Iran, Turkey - aren't these countries much more crucial than Kosova? Would you rather control Kosova or the Bosphorus? Theory #3: NATO's real target is Russia because it is the world's largest country with the world's largest untapped natural resources. Russia still has an arsenal of nuclear missiles, making it potentially a very dangerous country. The victory over Yugoslavia is absolutely essential if NATO is to represent the strength and resolve of the western powers. If NATO cannot crush small, defenseless Yugoslavia, what chance will it have of crushing Russia? All of this may take World War III to accomplish, but that's what world wars are supposed to do: remake the map of the world. If true, we can expect to see increasing NATO/US pressure on Russia re: Chechnya; increased aid to Georgia and Azerbaijan vs. Russia and Armenia; increased alignment of Central Asia [Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan] with NATO; increased NATO/US influence in Mongolia and Afghanistan; and the rapid inclusion into NATO of Bulgaria, Romania, Moldava, Baltic republics [Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Sweden], possibly Ukraine and Slovakia, and even dissident republics within the current Russia [those of the Chechyns, Mordvins, Tatars, Kalmyks, Volga Deutsch, Urdmurts, Mari, Bashkirs, Ingush, Cherkess, Avars, Laks, etc.] This bears watching. Theory #4: Clinton is using the conflict to cover the series of administration scandals. This MUST be working - NOBODY pays attention to scandals anymore, eh? Scandals? WHAT scandals? We don't see no steenking scandals!! ** God WAS my co-pilot but we crashed in the Andes and I ate her ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo Crisis - Special Reports 44 - NATO at Odds with Itself
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.stratfor.com/crisis/kosovo/special45.htm A HREF="http://www.stratfor.com/crisis/kosovo/special45.htm"Kosovo Crisis - Special Reports 44 /A - NATO at Odds with Itself 21 Apr 99 - 0300 GMT Two massive cross-currents are at work within NATO. There is, on one hand, strong antipathy toward waging all-out war against Serbia. Consider that the European Union today was not able to pass a resolution barring the sale of oil to Serbia. The proposal was blocked by Greece and Italy, who justified their position by arguing that a blockade must be preceded by a UN resolution. Underlying the legal niceties was the fact that neither country wants an intensification of the war. Given that Greece and Italy are strategically essential to any ground war because of their port facilities, their unwillingness to simply endorse an oil embargo poses a serious challenge to any ground campaign. Equally negative were statements today by German Bundeswehr chief-of-staff Gen eral Hans-Peter von Kirchbach, who said today that NATO has "an option to intensify air operations," but that "there are no plans for other operations. We are convinced that it will not be necessary." On the other hand, the same Greek government that voted against an oil embargo did hint earlier today that its ports would be available for use in a ground war, a substantial softening of its position. The United States and Britain, at the other extreme, are trying to make it appear that a ground war is inevitable. Indeed, there are indications of a build-up of forces in Albania. The arrival of the 82nd Airborne Divisions advanced guard is more than a security force for the Apaches that have not yet arrived and the MLRS. They will be joined by other elements of their division, indicating that a build-up of forces for a ground war is already underway. Yet, at the very same time, NATOs request for an additional 300 U.S. combat aircraft has not yet been approved, with Pentagon planners saying they are considering the impact of such a large transfer of forces on other areas of the world. As we come into Fridays summit of NATO leaders in Washington, the cross-currents are dizzying. Just as pressure dramatically increases on Serbia due to the Greek shift on ports, the EUs decision on an oil embargo undermines that pressure. The creation of a deliberate sense of mystery about the build-up of forces in Albania then encounters a public unwillingness by the United States to commit requested aircraft. Statements from Washington and London that NATO is prepared to do whatever is necessary to solve the crisis is met by German officials saying that a ground attack is not necessary. The problem here is not public relations, but a deep split not only within NATO, but within each individual country over the future course of the war. There is simply no consensus emerging over what is to be done. Without such a consensus, NATO cannot act. Each time a consensus appears to be emerging and pressure on Milosevic builds, the consensus cracks apart and the pressure bleeds off. The current stalemate is less in the war than in NATO itself and even within the U.S. military. Agreement on the next step simply isnt emerging. The problem is partly political within countries. But the key problem remains military. The difficulties inherent in the ground option are daunting. The strategic implications of a major air build-up are similarly worrisome. Therefore, each day the world is whipped by conflicting signals. The only constancy in the signal is what the Serbs have clearly heard: NATO has not yet locked in a plan. Therefore Serbia continues to have room for maneuver. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo and an American contradiction
-Caveat Lector- The NATO intervention is a hubristic and dangerous bid to establish a precedent for de facto world government. "At the end of the 20th century, we face a great battle between the forces of globalism and tribalism." --Bill Clinton (April 15, San Francisco) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo and an American contradiction
-Caveat Lector- Well so much for Clinton's globalism; if they want me, they will find be in the Tribe of Dan..and they will never take me alive, coppers(always wanted to say that). Regardless, we now have Clinton's vision and Clinton's dream other than chasing floozies around the oval office who enter same like a Trojan Horse bearing pizzas. Clinton has given us a choice of Globalism vs. Tribalismwell, Jessie Ventura, here we go to the Office of the Presidency, and I hope to heck you take on the New World Order and not the American People who seem to put trust in your hands Who was it that wrestled with the Angel in the Bible...so you see, wrestling and a wrestler in the White House - this could be very interesting. Anything but Al Gore - spare us, oh Lord.anything but that. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo: UN Secretary Going to Moscow
-Caveat Lector- The Yugoslav foreign minister appeals to the UN to stop the [U.S.] bombing. NATO's own charter makes its mandatory that the UN get involved immediately. Three weeks and counting and NATO, pressured by the U.S., is ignoring the UN. Annan To Discuss Kosovo in Moscow By NICOLE WINFIELD .c The Associated Press UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Secretary-General Kofi Annan said today he will go to Moscow next week to discuss the Kosovo conflict. Annan told the Security Council in closed consultations of his plans to add a day onto a previously scheduled visit to Germany from April 26-28. U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard confirmed that Annan had consulted with the Russian government and decided to travel to Moscow on April 29. He would presumably return to New York the following day. Last Friday, Yugoslavia rejected the key element of Annan's Kosovo peace initiative, saying an international military force in Yugoslavia was unacceptable. Annan had also urged Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to immediately end the expulsions of ethnic Albanians from Kosovo and withdraw his forces from the province. He pledged to urge NATO to end its airstrikes if Milosevic complied. The initiative had won wide support among the 15 European Union leaders who gathered last week in Brussels, Belgium, in search of a solution to the conflict. After receiving a letter from Yugoslav Foreign Minister Zivadin Jovanovic, Annan issued a statement through his spokesman saying that he wasn't surprised by the Yugoslav response. He added: ``We are only at the beginning stage of our search for a diplomatic solution.'' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo Refugees Throw Away U.S.-Donated Rations and Burn Them For Warmth
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.parascope.com/index.htm A HREF="http://www.parascope.com/index.htm"ParaScope: Something Strange is Happening! /A - Kosovo Refugees Throw Away U.S.-Donated Rations and Burn Them For Warmth Albanians complain that "humanitarian rations" are inedible Desperately groping for a credible pretext to continue the wholesale NATO assault on Yugoslavia, Clinton administration officials (and, presumably, scores of psywar operatives) have hammered repeatedly on the plight of Albanian refugees. Each new round of bombing has been accompanied by a new round of propaganda intended to convince viewers that NATO's unprecedented military campaign, illegal under international law, is being carried out as a ploy to somehow save these refugees. It is disturbing enough when government officials use portrayals of human misery to legitimize military objectives, especially considering that the Albanians were expelled from Yugoslavia after the NATO bombardments began. But a recent report from Reuters seems to indicate an even darker tone of "Ugly American" cynicism in the first major battle of the New World Order. Kosovo refugees have begun tossing U.S.-donated civilian MRE [meal-ready-to-eat] rations into "fetid trenches and streams filled with garbage and excrement" according to Reuters, and "several families were seen huddling around campfires using boxes of rations to help fuel the flames." As newspapers nationwide run propagandistic images of Albanians desperately retrieving rations from distribution sites, piles of unopened MRE packages litter the grounds of makeshift refugee camps. Refugees complain that the rations -- labelled "A Food Gift From the People of the United States of America" -- are inedible and have made many people sick. "We don't eat it because the children get a fever and throw up and are going to be poisoned," said Selvie Gashi. Source: Matt Spetalnick, "Kosovo Refugees Spurn U.S. Rations as Inedible," Reuters, April 11, 1999. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo War Syndrome Likely (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- "KOSOVO WAR SYNDROME" LIKELY (CNNS, 04/19/99) -- "For many years the United States has been using depleted uranium, a by-product from the production of enriched fuel for nuclear reactors and weapons, to manufacture shells, bullets and protective armour of tanks. This excess uranium, composed mainly of the uranium isotope U-238 is called 'depleted' because it has a lower than normal content of the isotope U-235, the fissionable material. But it has one very 'excellent' property; it is extremely dense and capable of penetrating heavily armored vehicles." [1] This means that a depleted uranium (DU) shell will go through a tank's armor like a hot knife through butter. That's why, since about 1990, it's become the latest craze in war. Besides dropping "cluster bombs" on Yugoslavia, NATO is also using these depleted uranium shells in its current "conflict." "The broader public is mostly uninformed about the fact that 30-millimetre ammunition fired by the GAU-8A gun mounted on the American A-10 aircraft, contains depleted uranium and that it is on the list of the ammunition which has been prohibited by the Geneva Convention, as are cluster bombs, sources in the Konghill Laboratories in Great Britain have stated..." [2] "The pointed bullet made from depleted uranium in a plastic casing which significantly increases its penetrating power, is also used in the manufacture of warheads for the 'Tomahawk' cruise missiles, which are used for the destruction of concrete facilities." [3] The explosion of these DU shells "creates uranium oxide which is dispersed into particles the size of 0.5 to 5 microns, which, if carried by the wind may be dispersed to areas hundreds of kilometres away from the site." [4] "It has also been pointed out that the life period of that substance is about one million years and that it cannot be removed from the body, exposing to radiation caused diseases and the possibility of an early death not only the people who are shot by it, but also the persons who handle that dangerous ammunition." [5] Something to think about: will your son or daughter be handling depleted uranium shells soon? Are they doing so already?? After the Vietnam War, there was a mysterious illness plaguing returning veterans; the Pentagon stonewalled for years before it finally admitted the toxic effects had been caused by Agent Orange. After the Persian Gulf War, many U.S. veterans also suffered from a mysterious illness, called Gulf War Syndrome. But Washington, DC is again stonewalling about what it is. The Project Censored 1997 Yearbook lists the link between use of depleted uranium shells during the Gulf War and the Gulf War Syndrome as one of its "Top 25 Censored Stories of 1997." [6] Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark has called for a ban on the use of DU weapons, calling them "an unacceptable threat to life, a violation of international law and an assault on human dignity." According to Clark, "Of the 697,000 U.S. troops who served in the Gulf, over 90,000 have reported medical problems. Symptoms include respiratory, liver and kidney dysfunction, memory loss, headaches, fever, low blood pressure. There are birth defects among their newborn children. DU is a leading suspect for a portion of these ailments. The effects on the population living in Iraq are far greater. Under pressure, the Pentagon has been forced to acknowledge Gulf War Syndrome, but they are still stonewalling any connection to DU." [7] "After the war in Bosnia, during which NATO also used depleted uranium ammunition in its attacks, there has been a rise in the recorded number of cases of leukemia in the areas where A-10 aircraft had been involved." [8] Since its beginning in 1942, at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's metallurgical lab, the Starmet Corporation "has continued to be a leader in new materials development and innovative technology serving the global marketplace." The Starmet Corporation manufactures depleted uranium(DU) ammunition. Indeed, boasts Starmet at their web site, "Starmet's low cost DU manufacturing capabilities make it one of the leading suppliers of low cost ammunition for U.S. government weapons systems. Our anti-armor tank penetrator munitions helped bring a quick conclusion to the Desert Storm conflict." [9] Will we be seeing, in the not-too-distant future, widespread occurrences of a "Kosovo War Syndrome," secretly caused by the continued use of these depleted uranium weapons? Will our soldiers, returning from Kosovo, first be given a heroes' welcome, but then get tossed on the slag heap by actually indifferent Washington leaders? Our ill soldier-heroes of the Gulf War were
[CTRL] Kosovo and an American contradiction
-Caveat Lector- FRIDAY APRIL 16 1999 Alan Keyes is a nationally syndicated radio talk-show host. His WorldNetDaily column appears every Friday. You can hear his radio program over the internet via Real Audio. Kosovo and an American contradiction What is the connection between the NATO action and the ambitions of some to establish a world government? One of the questions that I have been asking myself about the NATO action is why the whole idea of it seems wrong to me, and makes me so uncomfortable. I believe it is because, at bottom, the understanding throughout my entire life that has been the foundation of my thinking about international relations was precisely that -- international. The subject was "international relations." Implied is that we have a world composed of sovereign nations, and that we are dealing with the relations among these sovereign nations and with the strategic and political environment that results from these relationships. Insofar as there is an international community, it is a community composed of these nations working out, in mutually agreeable ways, the terms on which they will conduct business with one another. The basic assumption of this whole way of thinking is that those nations are defined, they have boundaries and jurisdictions, and that by and large they have within those jurisdictions the ability to order their affairs according to their institutions, laws and practices -- up to and including some institutions, laws and practices that we would consider oppressive, even evil. It has been an important principle of international relations that such matters are concerns of the particular country, and while another state might do its best, if help was asked for, to help develop better institutions, there was one thing it would not do -- go into another country and force change. This was not acceptable, because it was aggression -- the use by one country of force, without prior provocation of attack or threat, to impose that country's will on another country. However valid and wonderful the intended change might be thought to be, such forcible imposition of it on another country has been universally deemed wrong by the international community. There are those who don't believe this, and who believe that we are moving toward a fundamentally new kind of global unity. They say that our increasing interdependence, particularly in finance, trade, technology and communication, make the nation state obsolete. This view has had its implications in economic and civic life already. Now, with the NATO intervention in Kosovo, I think we are seeing for the first time a use of force that is based upon the presumption that it is legitimate for a state or group of states to intervene in the internal affairs of another state without any real threat, military or otherwise, but simply on the grounds that the state is not accepting an authority represented by the intervening states. In this case, NATO is intervening to enforce Yugoslavia's acceptance of NATO's authority and the terms of the Rambouillet Agreement, and to enforce that acceptance with bombing and whatever else is necessary until the government of Yugoslavia submits. NATO is no longer acting as a cooperative defense force, which has been its defining character since its inception. Its role is being redefined so that it is now acting as the executive agent of a presumed authority to impose upon a nation state a certain form for arranging its internal institutions - otherwise known as a form of government. NATO is acting as the executive agent for a presumed authority to impose in Yugoslavia a certain form of government. President Clinton has invoked humanitarian concerns in order to justify NATO's use of force in the name of this presumed authority. But when you examine these arguments on humanitarian grounds, they don't hold water. This leads me to ask what else is going on here. The argument we are being given seems to be a pretext, rather than a real motivation, cause or explanation. So what is the real rubric under which NATO is acting? The real rubric seems to be a putative authority to require that in Yugoslavia a certain internal arrangement be accepted. NATO is insisting on the ability to dispose of the governmental structures within Yugoslavia in a way that seems right to the alliance. NATO is thus unwilling to continue leaving such questions to be settled by peaceful, and sometimes other than peaceful, means by people within the boundaries of the nation itself. The dangers implied by this way of thinking are clear. The pretext of human rights and abuse of ethnic minorities has been used by bad folks as well as by good. Contrary to what Bill Clinton said, the Second World War wasn't caused by ethnic strife in the Balkans. However, ethnic claims were involved in its origin. We forget this, because our memory of Hitler is
[CTRL] Kosovo/China/Ancestral Voice
-Caveat Lector- The Progressive Response April 14th, 1999 Vol. 3, No. 13 The Progressive Response is a publication of Foreign Policy In Focus, a joint project of the Interhemispheric Resource Center and the Institute for Policy Studies. The project produces Foreign Policy In Focus (FPIF) briefs on various areas of current foreign policy debate. Electronic mail versions are available free of charge for subscribers. The Progressive Response is designed to keep the writers, contributors, and readers of the FPIF series informed about new issues and debates concerning U.S. foreign policy issues. We encourage comments to the FPIF briefs and to opinions expressed in PR. We're working to make The Progressive Response informative and useful, so let us know how we're doing, via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (that's irc, then the number one NOT the letter L.) Please put "Progressive Response" in the subject line. Tom Barry, editor Table of Contents I. Updates and Out-Takes KOSOVO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS U.S.-CHINA SECURITY RELATIONS by James H. Nolt, World Policy Institute II. Comments FOREIGN POLICY AND VOICE OF ANCESTORS by James H. Nolt, World Policy Institute I. Updates and Out-Takes KOSOVO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (Ed. Note: Included below are portions of a document edited by Foreign Policy In Focus codirector Martha Honey that includes the observations of the following foreign policy experts: Phyllis Bennis, expert on the United Nations and Fellow, Institute for Policy Studies; Robert Hayden, Director of Russian and East European Studies, University of Pittsburgh; Carl LeVan, Legislative Director, Office of Rep. John Conyers (D-MI); Jules Lobel, Professor of Law, University of Pittsburgh; Alistair Millar, Director of the Washington Office, Fourth Freedom Forum; Michael Ratner, Lawyer, Center for Constitutional Rights; Stephen Zunes, Professor of Politics, University of San Francisco. The entire document is being posted on the project's website: www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org) Has the NATO bombing met the three goals originally announced by President Clinton on March 24: 1) to "demonstrate the seriousness of NATO's opposition to aggression," 2) to deter Milosevic "from continuing and escalating his attacks" in Kosovo, and 3) to damage Serbia's capacity to wage war in the future? The bombing has done just the opposite. It has increased the repression against the Kosovar Albanians, threatened to widen the war, strengthened Milosevic, and weakened NATO. The NATO air offensive has also failed in the additional goals originally listed by President Clinton and others in the administration: 1. To "prevent a humanitarian catastrophe"--to the contrary, the attack provoked one. 2. "To prevent a wider war"--to the contrary, the war is threatening to engulf other countries. 3. To build a "peaceful, secure, united, stable Europe" by meeting the following challenges: a. "strengthening our relationship with Russia"--the reverse has happened. b. "ending instability in the Balkans"--the reverse is happening. 4. "Demonstrating the seriousness of NATO's purpose"--but neither President Clinton nor other top officials specified what would constitute a successful NATO effort. (New York Times, March 25) Now, according to the New York Times (April 11), the NATO allies face an ever more "daunting task" to: 1) stop the Serb attacks against civilians; 2) escort the half million-plus refugees back to Kosovo; and 3) guarantee a lasting peace settlement through an indefinite peacekeeping operation. And to get there will take not only greatly escalating the bombing but, military experts argue, sending in somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 NATO ground troops--something President Clinton explicitly pledged would not happen. What is the immediate and long-term impact of NATO bombing on Serbia and the entire region? The NATO destruction of Serbia's infrastructure, including felled bridges that have blocked the Danube, will cause severe long-term damage to the entire economic activity of the Balkans. The larger region, which was heavily hit by the 1992-95 sanctions on Yugoslavia, is hit economically again. While Milosevic is evil, his small country, under sanctions for seven years now, simply does not have the ability to do much damage beyond its borders. The fallout from the NATO assault will, however, extend throughout the Balkans. Macedonia, Montenegro, and Albania are in severe danger of destabilization. Macedonia's delicate ethnic balance has been disrupted, and its irresponsible actions toward the refugees have further isolated it. Albania's weak economy and infrastructure are being further stressed by the flood of refugees and, reportedly, KLA guerrillas. The democratic and anti-Milosevic forces in Montenegro have been silenced and the
[CTRL] KOSOVO-WAR a conspiracy to overthrow the German Government
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:514476"KOSOVO-WAR a conspiracy to overthrow the German Government /A - Subject: KOSOVO-WAR a conspiracy to overthrow the German Government From: Elmar Wulf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Apr 13, 1999 12:44 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --FA8BCFC0F63EE8105E4AD579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People say, Edmund Stoiber is the creator of the Kosovo-conflict. In germany we had just a change of the government from right wing to left wing (red-green). Funny thing is, that the red-green government used to be very much against german troops beeing involved in open conflicts ... and half a year later we find our selfs involved in an "attack war" against Jugoslavia ... that`s very disturbing ... there was no need for the six German Tornados to join the massive NATO force in the attacks soo, the right wing (Edmund Stoiber) is actually trying to weaken the red-green government - and to take control over germany again. Who else is taking advantage of the war ? Bavaria ... there are the most German defensive industries ... and there fore money will flow to Bavaria (Edmund is a Bavarian CSU man) ... and it does work, parts of the SPD (red) and of the GREEN Part are calling the attacks illegal (we do have laws against starting wars ...) ... and they are trying to prove it. Gerhard Schroeder's position is already weakend (only 76 percent voted him to his Party leader yesterday which is the worst result inside the SPD since 1946 ) --FA8BCFC0F63EE8105E4AD579 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Elmar Wulf Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Elmar Wulf n: Wulf;Elmar email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] note: Halliii x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard --FA8BCFC0F63EE8105E4AD579-- - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] KOSOVO-WAR a conspiracy to overthrow the German Government
-Caveat Lector- It is certainly a good propaganda piece AND a good piece to be used by German Nationalists to justify a strong stance and military buildup in the face of it, "to protect the Fatherland". Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, evolution in action.
-Caveat Lector- The fact that the overwhelming majority of humans work and live alongside blacks, gays, indians, asians, atheists, jews, and other people of varying religions/ethnicity/otherwise, and go through their entire lives withouyt killing any of them? That's more than proof enough for me. truth is, they are force to in the USA. to support america corporation machinary. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, evolution in action.
-Caveat Lector- I'm just confused. Jabriol what is your point? Do you want those of us who except evolution to come out in defense of the serbians on evolutionary grounds? Are just trying to make people angry? What? No. And I am not trying to make people angry. If people are going to accept evolution as the only process that is the origin of mankind, they must go all the way. as you have notice, many are not willing to accept that fact. If we are animals, even evolved intelligent animals, then we should recognize, that what is occurring in Serbia, the american response to it, etc, is just inate to Humans as a species for some genetic reason. Morals and ethic do not apply, since they are subject to change. There a duality here. we can attribute almost every characteristic to the animal kingdom, to instsincts, genetics, and evolution. There is always some sort of reason. Watch any documentary. "the whale evolve this way because," "the Moor cat is evolution in action because.." keywords such as "survival of the fittest","the enviroment" etc. But it when it comes to Human behaviour, these terms are not used, or are ignored, or as you can read denied. why? men been killing men for land over the centruies, why do they do it? what occured in man evolution, that he have devolp the sense of killing a fellow? as nazi germany did, as Serbia is doing now, despite the bombing? lets go all the way on this one, if we are animal lets recognize at face value. Lets study human evolution and figure out why this is occurring. if intelligence in our species is the cause, then I have no problem in people calling me retard. But if evolution is not as biologist believe it to be, then the answer lies elswhere. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, evolution in action.
-Caveat Lector- jabriol wrote: -Caveat Lector- I'm just confused. Jabriol what is your point? Do you want those of us who except evolution to come out in defense of the serbians on evolutionary grounds? Are just trying to make people angry? What? No. And I am not trying to make people angry. If people are going to accept evolution as the only process that is the origin of mankind, they must go all the way. as you have notice, many are not willing to accept that fact. If we are animals, even evolved intelligent animals, then we should recognize, that what is occurring in Serbia, the american response to it, etc, is just inate to Humans as a species for some genetic reason. Morals and ethic do not apply, since they are subject to change. There a duality here. we can attribute almost every characteristic to the animal kingdom, to instsincts, genetics, and evolution. There is always some sort of reason. Watch any documentary. "the whale evolve this way because," "the Moor cat is evolution in action because.." keywords such as "survival of the fittest","the enviroment" etc. But it when it comes to Human behaviour, these terms are not used, or are ignored, or as you can read denied. why? men been killing men for land over the centruies, why do they do it? what occured in man evolution, that he have devolp the sense of killing a fellow? as nazi germany did, as Serbia is doing now, despite the bombing? lets go all the way on this one, if we are animal lets recognize at face value. Lets study human evolution and figure out why this is occurring. if intelligence in our species is the cause, then I have no problem in people calling me retard. But if evolution is not as biologist believe it to be, then the answer lies elswhere. What is " fittist " in human terms? It's an interesting point but because humans are so complex, we can never be sure what is evolutionarily positive or negative. For example, who is better for human evolution Arnold Schwartzeneger or Jonas Salk? When you have overpopulation in a species, all rules for orderly evolution break down and mass death becomes a tool of evolution. Go figure. It is almost worthless to attempt to analyze a specific war in terms of evolution. Now " tribalism " is a different matter. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo recent history - 1987 NYT article.
-Caveat Lector- Subject: Background to Kosovo Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:19:37 -0500 From: "spectors" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PROGRESSIVE SOCIOLOGISTS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note from Alan Spector: As always, I (we) start off with the comment that the Yugoslav/Serb/Milosovic campaign in Kosovo is just another capitalist government consolidating power while causing grave harm to hundreds of thousands of people. Genocide is not an accurate term, but clearly there have been numerous murders and outright banditry. However, this extreme demonizing of the Serbs and treating the ethnic Albanian leadership as if there were saints is also ridiculous. FAIR (Fairness Accuracy in Reporting) a rather scrupulously careful media watchdog group, found an article from the New York Times from 1987 which offers some explanation as to why Milosovic revoked the autonomy of Kosovo and tightened control. Among other things, the major ethnic Albanian leadership had terrorized the minority Serbs, causing 20,000 Serbs to flee! Whatever crimes the Serb leadership is guilty of, the ethnic Albanian leadership can hardly be compared to the Jews or "gypsies" of Europe in the 1940s. There was plenty of ethnic cleansing to go around. Following is the short introduction from FAIR, followed by the NYT article. - FAIR Fairness Accuracy In Reporting 130 W. 25th Street New York, NY 10001 Rescued from the Memory Hole: Background of Serb/Albanian Conflict March 31, 1999 There is always intense pressure in wartime for media outlets to serve as propagandists rather than journalists. While the role of the journalist is to present the world in all its complexity, so that people can make up their own minds, the propagandist simplifies the world in order to mobilize the public behind a common goal. One basic simplification is to interpret a conflict in terms of villains and victims, with no qualification allowed for either role. Conflicts in the real world rarely fall into such simple categories: Particularly in ethnic conflicts, both sides usually have legitimate grievances that are often used to justify a new round of abuses against the other side. In presenting the background to the Kosovo conflict, U.S. news outlets usually begin with Serbia's revocation of the Kosovo Albanians' autonomy in 1989. This was a crucial decision, one of the major reasons for the rise of the Kosovo Liberation Army. It also destabilized the Yugoslavian system and contributed to the country's breakup. Yet media accounts have rarely explained why Serbia lifted Kosovo's autonomy. The attached article, from the New York Times in 1987, gives important background to this decision. Although the article is easily found in the Nexis database, little to none of this information has found its way into contemporary coverage of Kosovo, in the Times or anywhere else. If one read a similar history of Kosovo written today, one would likely dismiss it as pro-Serb propaganda. Yet this was written 12 years ago, when Kosovo was an obscure corner of the world, and the New York Times would not seem to have any particular interest in defending Serbs or attacking Albanians. It should be kept in mind that some of the charges in this article may be exaggerated or politically motivated. Of course, the same is true of atrocity reports that are being carried in the New York Times and other papers today. The New York Times November 1, 1987, Sunday, Late City Final Edition Section 1; Part 1, Page 14, Column 1; "In Yugoslavia, Rising Ethnic Strife Brings Fears of Worse Civil Conflict" By DAVID BINDER, Special to the New York Times BELGRADE, Yugoslavia Portions of southern Yugoslavia have reached such a state of ethnic friction that Yugoslavs have begun to talk of the horrifying possibility of ''civil war'' in a land that lost one-tenth of its population, or 1.7 million people, in World War II. The current hostilities pit separatist-minded ethnic Albanians against the various Slavic populations of Yugoslavia and occur at all levels of society, from the highest officials to the humblest peasants. A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his barracks, killing four sleeping Slavic bunkmates and wounding six others. The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic Albanian cells in its ranks. Some arsenals have been raided. Vicious Insults Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds and regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. And politicians have exchanged vicious insults. Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been torn down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have been
[CTRL] kosovo-ongoing comment
-Caveat Lector-
A little history -- The New York Times, reporting on the Kosovo conflict
back in 1987, described how the Albanian population of Yugoslavia was
pushing for a "Greater Albania" by carrying out violent acts against Serbs.
These included attacks on Serb Orthodox churches, crop burning and
well-poisonings. Apparently, young Albanian men were told by their elders to
rape Serbian women. In 1992, the NYT reported that 250,000 Serbs had been
'ethnically cleansed' from Croatia.
7 iv '99 EDINBURGH -- Some correspondents in the London papers were signing
their own names to stories of atrocities, but much of the reportage was one
journalist saying what another said she was told by an unnamed Kosovar. In
particular, it was said on the BBC that Kosovar women could not be expected
to put their own names to allegations of rape by Serbian soldiers, or indeed
to give the slightest detail of such claims (because to do so would be too
shaming for them and their families). In fact, it would be utterly bizarre
if 10,000 Nato troops (including 4.500 British) had sat in Macedonia for a
fortnight and not protected a single square mile of Kosovo or a retreat
corridor from Pristina if horrendous atrocities had *indeed* been taking
place (let alone the 'genocide' -- claimed six times in five minutes by UK
Foreign Secretary Robin Cook). The Nato bombing had killed over 300
civilians and wounded over 3,000 others, the Yugoslav ambassador to Russia
claimed in Moscow.
7 iv '99 -- http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ (J. Orlin Grabbe) -- Bill
Clinton's failing Kosovo war is part of a desperate, dangerous and fatally
flawed plan by a scandal-ridden President to salvage a legacy for the
history books, White House and Pentagon insiders say.
8 iv '99 EDINBURGH -- Having caused some 300 deaths in Serbia and some 17
deaths in Kosovo and precipitated the ethnic flight of a million ethnic
Albanians (about 300,000 of them to Albania) and billions of dollars of
material destruction, multicultural AmericOtan has embarked on spelling out
its war aims. At the top of the agenda is Prime Minister Blair's undertaking
to the Kosovars (Daily Telegraph 7 iv '99): "We will make sure you can
return to your homes and live in your homes in peace. That is our promise."
So the chief objective is merely to restore the status quo ante bellum! Just
how Kosovo's 10% Serbian population is to be protected from victorious
returning neighbours remains unclear; but at least there are plenty of homes
left -- top journalist John Simpson revealed from Pristina that media
suggestions of widespread burning of Kosovar homes were exaggerations (CFMR
8 iv '99, 00:00). Nato may have gambled and lost in its Third Way plan of
avoiding the use of both diplomacy and infantry, but it is not lacking in
spirit. It may not be able to save lives, but it can still save the face of
New World Order neosocialist, the Reverend William Jefferson Clinton of the
Church of the Seven Day Fornicators. 'The immaculate coercion' of fifteen
days of nightly bombing has found the Middle Way between ignoring Serbian
enormities and actually ending them and has proved popular with TV viewers;
and once Yugoslavia is a flattened wasteland it should be possible to risk
the occasional Nato operative to initiate the process of trying 'war
criminals' and demanding reparations. This will let neosocialists make
object lessons of nationalists for the next century. AmericOtan has been
able to shrug off the anti-Nato-bombing pleas of the moderate Kosovan ethnic
Albanian leader Mr Rugova with the unproven suggestion that he is being
intimidated or drugged. Nor does the lack of interest of Albania in doing
anything impact on Washington's Black House: in Albania, the big businesses
are in narcotics, the control of prostitution in Naples and in war
profiteering so there has been no time for helping Kosovars in Kosovo.
UK newspapers continue to show a disjunction between
well-propagandized leader writers' and journalists' allusions to 'genocide'
on the one hand and independent-minded columnists and correspondents on the
other. A particularly fine anti-war article was that by Andrew Roberts in
the Times ('Patriots for peace', 7 iv '99). Roberts recalled the many
eminent British politicians who have opposed wars in the past. William Pitt
the Younger (1759-1806, "the saviour of Europe" [against Napoleon]) opposed
making war on the rebellious American colonies; Charles James Fox
(1749-1806, "the greatest debater the world ever saw" [Burke]) opposed
fighting France on land; the arch-conservative Third Marquis of Salisbury
(1830-1903) opposed fighting Russia in the Crimean War'; David Lloyd George
(Prime Minister of victorious Britain in 1918) had opposed fighting the
Boers; and Labour Prime Minister Ramsay Macdonald (1866-1937) had opposed
declaring war on Germany in 1914. Noting the plight of Alex Salmond (the
Scottish National Party leader currently condemned by Blairites as "the
toast of
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo and the New World Order (WND)
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Peter L. Sroufe wrote: -Caveat Lector- Imposing peace would be an artifact of a fully established and empowered NWO. While the NWO is well on its way to a "final solution" for the governments of the world, they are still not yet in complete control. And that is the real "why" of this event should be looked at more closely. What seems significant to me is that it is NATO, not U.N., involved in Kosovo. That may mean a return to Cold War days and good-bye to New World Order, via U.N. Brian Redman Editor, CNNS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo-Alternative View
-Caveat Lector- Please people... The US interests in Korovo are NOT humanitarian. THAT's the spin. We need to look at the heroin corridor and the reported oil fields off of Yugoslavia to begin to understand our real interests in the area. Hilary -- From: Gavin Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Kosovo-Alternative View Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:28 PM -Caveat Lector- http://www.devvy.com/tonysnow1.html#SOFC Is Kosovo Really That Bloody? Tony Snow March 29, 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo and the New World Order (WND)
-Caveat Lector- Imposing peace would be an artifact of a fully established and empowered NWO. While the NWO is well on its way to a "final solution" for the governments of the world, they are still not yet in complete control. And that is the real "why" of this event should be looked at more closely. Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo and the Homeless Man
-Caveat Lector- The real danger of the US entanglement with Kosovo is that our interference has angered the Russian masses and politicians. They hate us now because they blame us for their economic collapse, that we plotted to get the Russian Govt to borrow billions from the IMF, the govt bureaucrats stole the money, stashed billions out of the country, and sold off all assets to gangsters. Now Russia is swamped in debt and the ruble has so devalued that the average Russian has lost all his savings. When NATO expanded last year, the Russians were very opposed and said it was an aggressive act to include Poland, Chech, etc in NATO since it would now be on the Russian border and a threat to Russia. NATO dismissed that fear and said NATO was only defensive. Now the Russians see NATO invade and bomb Serbia and interfere in a countries' internal civil war and their worst fears are realized. What this does is feed Russian paranoia about the US. Makes us the evil enemy again. This is very dangerous since Russia is the only other country with 1000's of nuke missiles pointed at us. Stupid Clinton is reawakening the Cold War. Who cares about Kosovo when we are antagonizing a massively nuclear armed Russia. Although Russia has been weakened and demoralized by their economic collapse, they still have the power to annihilate the US in minutes. The Russians are like a slightly deranged homeless man wondering the nice suburban neighborhood, mumbling to himself, angry, hungry and frustrated but armed with a fully loaded AK 47 and pockets full of grenades, and no one can disarm him or take him in custody. Instead of giving him a sandwich, the neighbors laugh at him and the kids tease him. Now they have started to beat and kick his only companion, a little mangy dog. And the homeless man gets madder and madder and starts to point his AK 47 at the neighborhood houses but no one cares because it is so much fun to kick the little dog. FLW DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, a leftist perspective
-Caveat Lector- 4-4-1999, Mark wrote: (snip) As for her point about the mines, it is indeed likely that these mines play a role in motivating the current holocaust -- on the Serbian side. If, as she claims, the mines are worth $5 billion, that would certainly explain Milosevic' determination to hold on to them. It would not explain the US interest in the Kosovo genocide, which is going to end up costing the United States a lot more than $5 billion ... Probably this should read '$5 trillion' - (not $5 billion) ... As posted recently here ( Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines' ) [following the same article by Sara Flounders] : from: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36fd198d79a4.htm Topic: Kosovo There is another factor in this, something the rapacious World Bank, IMF and the UN are interested in -- the estimated $17 trillion in natural resources in Serbia/Kosovo. Kosovo has one of Europe's largest reserves of coal and lignite while Serbia alone has huge deposits of aluminum ore. Albania has large reserves of crude oil, which was part of the reason why Marshal Tito, after WWII, wanted to absorb Albania into Yugoslavia. The other was that Tito feared an extreme Maoist Albania (which retained the USSR Stalinist policy until 1961) being a Red Chinese version of Cuba in Europe, one whose seacoast straddled the eastern part of the only seaborne way in and out of the Adriatic, the Strait of Otranto. Given the fact that Albania was not absorbed into Yugoslavia, Tito for years attempted to keep Tirane's Stalinist/Maoist maniacs happy by allowing ethnic Albanian migration into Kosovo beginning with some 400,000 being allowed in during 1945-48. Pre-WWII Serb land deeds in Kosovo were cancelled and Albanians were given the Eastern European version of "affirmative action" in jobs, housing and the like. In the 1970s, the Albanians began their terror campaign against the Serbs, banning the Serb Cyrillic alphabet, banning the works of Serb authors and other artists and getting Serbs fired from their jobs. Violence began to escalate in the early 1980s after Tito's death, and got so bad by 1988 (the worst being mass rape of Serb Orthodox nuns) troops had to be sent in. This is where Milosevich rose to power, in successfully quelling the violence, at least for a brief time. In 1991, the news media insisted that "Albanians represented 1.2 million in Kosovo." In 1994 they said 1.4 million. In 1996 they insisted it was 1.6 million. Today we are told Albanians are "90% of 2 million" - as though we are unable to calculate this means 1.8 million, another mysterious 200,000 increase. Borrowing from Socrates, "scarcely a word of what they said is true." The media continues to omit that more than 400,000 Albanians are illegal aliens who crossed the border into Kosovo as easily as illegals cross our border into San Diego, Tucson, El Paso and Brownsville each night as we sleep. How compelling that US troops are defending borders in 100 countries, we aren't defending our own. Today, the US State Department claims Serbs are 10% of Kosovo, with no explanation that they claimed Serbs were 14% in 1991. Were 4% killed, expelled, or just made invisible? They also tell us the Gypsies are 7%, the Greeks 2.3%, the Turks 1.5%, the Montenegrins 2%, and others 1%. By my calculations that means the Albanians can't possibly represent more than 50% of Kosovo, after subtracting the 400,000 illegals and the 300,000 who fled to England, Switzerland, Italy and Germany, most of whom have no desire to return to the poverty and terror in Kosovo. Another point that hasn't been raised much is that Tito, for all of his faults and mistakes in postwar Yugoslavia, never subscribed to gun control or disarming the populace. I recall when I visted Yugoslavia in the late 1970s, every home at which I was a guest had at least one modern firearm, be it a handgun, rifle or shotgun. In fact, at the time, villagers could obtain surplus WWII German, Italian, British and even US firearms very easily. I recall that many Serb villagers especially would coat the weapon in some kind of heavy grease, wrap it in plastic and put it in a box and bury it in the ground usually near the barn or house. From: MK ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * 03/27/99 10:02:32 PST --- . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, evolution in action.
-Caveat Lector- Why don't you ask some of the Serbs who are not doing the killing. I would be willing to bet that there are probably a fair number against the killing. and some white people marched along Martin Luther King. where is Martin now? on a few street sign in the ghettos. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] KOSOVO - LAST STOP BEFORE JERUSALEM
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.harpazo.net/forzion/news.html A HREF="http://www.harpazo.net/forzion/news.html"*News Report from Jerusalem* /A - 4.KOSOVO - LAST STOP BEFORE JERUSALEM (by Barry Chamish) Barely a few days before the EU and the US, collectively called NATO, sent their flying dogs of war against Serbia, Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu was in Berlin meeting with the leaders of the European Union. You would think with the attack on the Balkans pending they'd be too busy to have time for a little tete-a-tete with Bibi...But, no; they organized their most fateful meeting with an Israeli leader since the beginning of their continental unity. They told him he'd better not stand in the way of a PLO state with East Jerusalem as its capital or watch out. The watch out part was Kosovo. Netanyahu got the message and like the Yugoslav president Milosevic before him, flew to Russia for some counterweight. And lo and behold, the Kremlin greeted him like visiting royalty. When the meetings were over, Bibi and Boris agreed to make a united stand against "Islamic fanaticism." What they meant to say, but could not, was that both Israel and Russia were sick of the New World Order plots against their nations and they were forming a, probably futile, little alliance against the Trilateral Commission, Council On Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilberberg group and all those who were now heating up the Balkans, and Chechnya, and Turkey and everywhere else where ethnic tensions could be turned into massacres. Undoubtedly, both leaders are well aware of how it's done. Take a busload of Christian Lebanese children, blow it up, blame it on the PLO and before long you've got perfectly civilized Christians killing Moslems out of raw bloodlust. Or take a Serb village, or more if necessary, have some Bosnian Muslims kill every living being within and before long, you'll get just the right kind of savagery from the Serbs. Then you make the Lebanese Christians the bad guys with a stage-managed media campaign portraying them as bloodthirsty fascists determined to wipe out the hapless, innocent Palestinians who tried to carve out their own fiefdom out of Lebanon. Apply the same formula to Kurds, Tutsis, Israelis, Afrikaaners and Serbs. The important thing is to back Marxist Moslems over democratic Christians and Jews. And once the world has been indoctrinated enough to think there is an issue of right and wrong to be dealt with, send in the planes followed by the ground troops of the New World Order armed services. And for this he is being punished. And Netanyahu has got the message. If he doesn't play ball, he will be demonized just like Milosevic, the world will be primed to despise him and in will come the NWO's air force. If he doesn't give the PLO its state on historical Jewish territory this year here is what will happen: The PLO will unilaterally declare a state and Israel will annex the remaining West Bank territories in her possession. A wave of Arab terrorism will force Israel to retaliate and a cycle of violence will begin which will duplicate that of Yugoslavia. The "peacemakers" of the NWO will arrive and insist that Israel accept every clause of the Oslo Accords, give up its history and heritage to the PLO and divide Jerusalem. When Israel refuses to relent, it will be painted quickly as a mortal danger to the peace of the planet. In order to "save" Israel from itself, the NWO forces will attack and impose its solutions on her. And to most of the world, the events that lead to this war will seem totally logical. Like, in Kosovo today, the media will stage-manage every step of the war and a world under televised anaesthesia will believe the boradcasters, generals and military experts. And this world will simply sleep through Israel's destruction. When it awakes it will change channels. end by Barry Chamish - Israeli journalist. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo, evolution in action.
-Caveat Lector- what can i say? i'm sure you'll shout at me for calling you a fascist, so i won't. ever heard of darwin's theory? ie. that strength comes from diversity, those that lock themselves in and try to kill off all who are different are the weakest of all. would you be saying this if your family and friends were being hunted down and killed, being forced to run from the paramilitary police, leaving all behind. would you? methinx not -andrew I do not know what is the problem with serbia wipingout albanians. It just part of evolution. Germany is stronger today because of evolution per Hitler. Group of human wiping out other groups of Humans is natural. After all Didn't Man wipe out all the Neanderthals? (excluding the basque) Now we got to get a few scientist to tag a few abanians to see how far the albanian Gene pool will spread or disipate in macedonia. a very interesting study indeed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo and the Middle East
-Caveat Lector- And the Middle Eastern countries have WHAT in common with the albanians? From ArabicNews.CoM Islamic Organizations send humanitarian relief to Kosovo Regional, Economics, 4/2/99 The International Islamic Relief Agency and the Islamic World Union announced on Thursday the start of fund-collecting campaigns for the Kosovo-Albanians. The Islamic Relief Agency is part of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC/based in Jeddah). Another organization, the Gulf Cooperation Council Program for the Support of U.N. Development Programs announced a US $100,000 donation for humanitarian causes in Kosovo. The secretary general of the Islamic World Union Abdullah El-Obaid urged all islamic countries and international relief agencies to help the Kosovo-Albanians. Saudi Arabia has condemned the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo Saudi Arabia, Politics, 4/2/99 Saudi Arabia has condemned the massacre and expulsion of thousands of Muslims in Kosovo by Serb forces and deplored the policy of ethnic cleansing being practiced by the government of Slobodan Milosevic. Saudi Arabia has also condemned the Milosevic government's failure to respond positively to international efforts to settle the problem of Kosovo through peaceful means, in particular that of the recent peace conference in France. Saudi Arabia reiterated support for the people of Kosovo, who have been facing the worst forms of repression, subjugation and expulsion at the hands of the Serb aggressors. King Fahd Ibn Abdul Aziz has ordered an airlift to Albania of foodstuffs, tents and blankets to alleviate the tragic situation of Kosovo refugees at the borders of Albania. Iran warns of increasing ethnic purges in Kosovo Regional, Politics, 4/2/99 Iran warned yesterday that the strikes launched by NATO on Yugoslavia will increase the problems of Moslems in Kosovo. Meanwhile, Iranian President Mohammed Khatami whose country is the current head of OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) sent a communique to the organization's member states in which he called for confronting the ethnic purges, stating that the NATO attacks will increase the problems in Yugoslavia and expressing his anxiety towards Serbs' criminals committing crimes as they have committed in Bosnia. Iran has called OIC to intervene to halt the ethnic killings in Yugoslavia. In a communique to Khatami, Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sherif suggested that a high-ranking delegation from the organization go to the alliance's headquarters in Brussels, Belgrade and Moscow to oppose the current shelling of Yugoslavia. Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi also called on Moscow to intervene in Yugoslavia to compel it to respect the rights of Moslems in Kosovo, moreover, Kharazi called on Belgrade's government to keep its pledges, carry out the items of Yugoslavian constitution and grant autonomy for Kosovar Moslems. He laid on Belgrade the responsibility for the deteriorated situation. There are also current intensified communications to hold an urgent meeting of foreign ministers of the Islamic communication group that emerged from OIC to discuss the Kosovo problem. Meanwhile, Egyptian Foreign Minister Amr Moussa said he received a phone call from Kharazi, during which they discussed arrangements for holding the meeting, expected to take place in Geneva during the coming week. Kharazi held similar discussions with foreign ministers of communication's group, which comprises Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia. Baghdad: Striking Belgrade is a breach of UN charter and international law Iraq, Politics, 4/2/99 The Iraqi government renewed its condemnation of NATO strikes against Yugoslavia. An official Iraq's ruling El-Baath Party, Abd El-Gani Abd El- Gafour, asserted that this invasion forms a violation of the United Nations charter and international law. Copyright © 1998 Arabic News .com . All Rights Reserved. Send comments suggestions to the webmaster. ArabicNews.com is a trade mark of ArabicNews.com AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority. -Thomas Huxley + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
[CTRL] Kosovo propaganda? / Hard-liners recruit young Russians to aid the Serb cause +more
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:510563"Kosovo propaganda/A - Subject: Kosovo propaganda From: deepshooter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 6:27 AM Message-id: 7dle8a$25n$[EMAIL PROTECTED] We are being inundated with cruel propaganda in shamful attempt to justify bombing Yugoslavia. Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman, spent his entire time at the briefing trying to justify the mindless killing of Serbs with missiles hurled into Yugoslavia from hundreds of miles away. In doing so he repeatedly used standard propaganda terms such as "genocide," "ethnic cleansing," "atrocities," "paramilitary gangs," and other highly charged phrases designed to evoke emotional responses. The only facts offered to support such allegations are the pictures of burning houses and the appearance of refugees in neighboring countries. CNN was reduced to reporting such monstrous "atrocities" as seizing license plates from fleeing Albanians to prevent their return. Reports from other sources paint a different image. Neutral observers located in Kosovo report stepped up fighting between the rebels and Yugoslavian troops but no evidence of atrocities. French Defence Minister Alain Richard blamed fresh fighting in Kosovo on ethnic Albanian guerrillas. That statement prompted a visit to Paris by General Wesley Clark to contradict such information. It is becoming obvious that the "humanitarian crisis" in Kosovo has been manufactured by U.S. propagandists. U.S. officials criticize Yugoslavia for driving civilians out of Kosovo. Somebody should point out that the area is the focus of a major military action. Since U.S. leaders have announced that they could send ground troops into Kosovo, they shouldn't be surprised that the Yugoslavians are trying to establish defenses, and that civilians would try get out of the country. That the U.S. has to resort to cruel propaganda is a sign of the weakness of its position on the Kosovo conflict. Under the Clinton administration, the United States has become the leading terrorist bully in the world. ---== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==-- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own = Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "octapi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 7:23 AM Message-id: 7dlfj7$bo9$[EMAIL PROTECTED] I travel overseas for work. I've learned from several personal experiences over the last 15 years not to trust the national U.S. media. This coupled with the fact that the Clintons are experts at manipulating the media for their own ends, has made me very leery of this whole adventure. Over the last year, most foreign papers have been continually editorializing against America's reckless behavior in the world. Unfortunately, American's are woefully ignorant of the world around them. The average person in this country has very little perspective outside of what the government feeds them through the national media. This allows the government to basically do anything it wants by simply by demonizing someone on the 6 o'clock news. As Newt Gingrich can tell you, the Clintons are experts at manipulating the media to demonize their enemies. While we are sitting here in our comfortable homes, with the stock market at record levels, the Clintons are using our military to kill women and children in the streets of Serbia, just as the Clintons used our military to kill innocent civilians in the Sudan last year. Yes indeed. You are correct. Clinton is a terrorist. His actions are going to result in terrible consequences for America and the world. deepshooter wrote in message 7dle8a$25n$[EMAIL PROTECTED].. = Question: Why are we butting in to everybody else's business? Iraq I can understand, there never was a peace treaty signed so technically the Gulf War never ended. But then we go off bombing such amorphous threats as Osama bin Laden's *terrorist organization* and supposedly genocidal Serbian troops. Yes indeed. You are correct. Clinton is a terrorist. His actions are going to result in terrible consequences for America and the world. The Russians so far have shown remarkable restraint. If our next target is Taiwan, will the Chinese be so lenient? I've already had to die in two wars this century, I really don't want the third time to be the charm... = Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda From: "octapi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 12:54 PM Message-id: 7dm2vv$8ta$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, the Russians have shown restraint. How long will that last? My understanding is that the average Russian is pissed as hell over what we are doing. As the Russian economy continues to disintegrate, Yelstin may figure out that a war in Europe could be just what he needs to take the people's minds off of their economic woes. Tass has reported that Russia has moved 50 tactical nuclear weapons into position.
[CTRL] Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines'
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Wasn't Tesla a Serb? Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:511230"Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines'/A - Subject: Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines' From: "Sandra KH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Mar 30, 1999 2:19 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines' By Sara Flounders Wars are at root about economics, and the rapidly expanding war in Kosovo is no different. So why have millions of dollars in high-tech weapons suddenly become available to the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army by way of the U.S. and Germany? A July 11 report by New York Times Balkans bureau chief Chris Hedges describes the KLAs new arsenalthe latest anti-tank rocket-propelled grenades and anti-aircraft weapons. These weapons are shifting the balance of power toward the KLA, which is funded fully by outside sources, mostly from the U.S. and Germany. The KLA is "fed by recruits, money and arms from outside Serbia," Hedges confirms. It has an "inexhaustible supply line," he reports. "Rebel soldiers, in full uniform with the red and black patch of the Kosovo Liberation Army, pull thick wads of German marks from their pockets. There are also signs that the arrival of dozens of former professional soldiers as well as some mercenaries are turning the ragtag band into a viable military force of several thousand fighters." In fact, the KLA is primarily a mercenary army funded by the kind of shadowy sources that have long been associated with U.S. and German intelligence services. It is a contra army. Kosovo is often portrayed in the media as an isolated mountainous region thats poor and without resources. It might seem, from these accounts, to be an area of interest only to those who live there. The New York Times, for example, has carried dozens of such articles by Chris Hedges in the last six months. Only once, on July 8, did Hedges write about the real wealth of Kosovothe Stari Trg mining complex. It was a tip-off that something more was at stake in this war. Hedges visit to the Stari Trg mining complex is an eye opener. He describes the glittering veins of lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver in Stari Trg. According to Hedges, "The sprawling state-owned Trepca mining complex, the most valuable piece of real estate in the Balkans, is worth at least $5 billion." According to the mines director, Novak Bjelic, "The war in Kosovo is about the mines, nothing else. This is Serbias Kuwaitthe heart of Kosovo. ... In addition to all this, Kosovo has 17 billion tons of coal reserves." The whole world knows and observed firsthand in the war against Iraq to what horrendous extent the Pentagon was willing to go in order to guarantee control of the oil wealth of Kuwait. But the enormous mineral wealth of Kosovo is never publicly discussed by U.S. United Nations Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, President Bill Clinton or the Pentagon generals. They speak only of "self-determination" of the Albanian population of Kosovo. Of course, they never mention what U.S.-imposed "self-determination" means. It means colonization under the guise of "liberation," like what the U.S. did to Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Philippines a hundred years ago. An Internet search for reports on the mines of Kosovothe Trepca mining complex or Stari Trgturned up only the one article by Hedges and a small piece in the June 22 Wall Street Journal. All other mentions are in metallurgical journals. How could this vital fact be omitted from all discussion of what is at stake in Kosovo? It is comparable to describing Kuwait and the oil-rich Gulf states as barren deserts. The wealth of Kosovo is greater than the rich veins of ore in the mines. Hedges describes the mining complex: "The Stari Trg mine, with its warehouses, is ringed with smelting plants, 17 metal treatment sites, freight yards, railroad lines, a power plant and the countrys largest battery plant." The labor power of millions of workers throughout socialist Yugoslavia built this mining complex into the powerhouse it is today. It was their wealth that was invested in developing the complex. It belongs not just to those who live in Kosovo, but to the workers of all Yugoslavia. The Yugoslav web site www.yugo slavia.com describes Trepca as the "richest lead and zinc mines in Europe." Lignite deposits in the Kosovo mines are, according to experts, sufficient for the next 13 centuries. The capacity of the lead and zinc refineries ranks third in the world. Miners work round the clock, day and night, in six-hour shifts. According to the mine director, "In the last three years we have mined 2,538,124 tons of lead and zinc crude ore and produced 286,502 tons of lead and zinc and 139,789 tons of pure lead, zinc, cadmium, silver and gold." Although the average person watching the news in the evening has never heard of Stari Trg, it has been a prize changing hands for two thousand years. The wealth
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Kosovo propaganda? / Hard-liners recruit young Russians ...
[Our enemies] don't have the latest weapons, but they have one thing we don't have -- a willingness to use ground troops in campaigns that will produce significant casualties. Once on the ground, men start dying, and then will we be supporting this distant war? Body bags look lousy on the evening news. We don't have the will to continue this beyond the computer-game button pushing stage. The bottom line -- The US corporate army, corrupt, greedy, dishonest, inattentive, and complacent solely because of our HIGH-TECH "superiority" (which on closer inspection involves pretty shoddy workmanship and a high failure rate, due to the characteristics first in line in the description above) is, in any contest with the REAL world of hard work, pain, misery and bloodshed, simply COWARDLY. Arm-chair generals who pay more attention to their stock portfolios and future corporate directorships, "fighting men" who are couch-potatoes with a detached video-game attitude, and a mass of young grunts in the armed services mostly as an alternative to being in jail for assault and battery, or on welfare, who are convinced they'll never face anything more stressful than boot camp in their military vacations, and so far have been right about that. Meanwhile, all over the planet, with "genocide" having everywhere else become S.O.P. since WWII, billions of NON-yuppies are suffering and dying in the REAL world, and even children are now in uniform in armies who torture and butcher innocent civilians hundreds at a time, hardly batting an eye. Good God preserve any Americans in uniform who find themselves out of their element ON THE GROUND -- far from their remote- controller couches in castles in the air, where they've too long been living in a fantasy, in a media-built Versailles ... Even with satellite-controlled targeting, $1 million remote-programmed missiles, and the hottest "stealth" technology, our modern American "robo-warriors" are simply dead meat in any hand-to-hand combat with wave after wave of "low tech" flesh-and-blood peasants who KNOW what pain and sacrifice are and are willing to DIE -- en masse.. If ever the US decides to send GROUND troops into the Balkans --and the Bush et al Octopus in NATO seems to be setting Clinton up for such a choice, which we can see coming already with the "3 Americans prisoners of the Serbs" theme, straight out of "Saving Private Ryan" (now that "Wag the Dog" is so obvious it's even on Serbian TV)-- it's almost FATED that this nation will face the Millennium with the worst humiliation of its macho-manque hubris since our loss of Vietnam, and that'll have CONSEQUENCES in our culture, disabusing at least one more generation of any notion of our "superior" position on the planet -- not to mention the consequences OUTSIDE our culture, where our enemies --"empires" next in line, as our sun sets-- will see no reason NOT to risk everything in warfare, with more bravado, eyes opened by our clay-feet comeuppance..
[CTRL] Kosovo Anonymizer, Links and an IDEA for PEACE . . .?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://info.anonymizer.com/kosovo.shtml A HREF="http://info.anonymizer.com/kosovo.shtml"Anonymizer/A - Here's an idea. Let's TRANSCEND the GOVERNMENT and let us, THE people start a dialoge with Serbs and then through the INTERNET bring about PEACE. . . . Om K - Apr 1, 1999 135,129,700+ Kosovo Privacy Project In response to requests from the human rights community, Anonymizer has set up two special services to handle the needs of Kosovars, Serbs, and others reporting on the current situation in Kosovo. Any Internet posting carries with it grave privacy concerns. In this case, a breach of privacy could be life threatening. We see two immediate needs. 1.Anonymous email 2.Anonymous access to information and discussions We already offer free anonymous email through our Mixmaster Web Interface, but the delay of up to two days may be too long in a crisis like this. To address this we have created a secure anonymous email interface with no delay. Our Kosovo-Email system is available HERE. Anyone in the world can already use our free Anonymizer Surfing. We have now removed the delay on the following Kosovo related web sites and news sources to make access easier for those who need this service. Please send suggestions for additions to this list, or any comments about these services, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.egroups.com/list/kosovo-reports http://community.cnn.com/cgi-bin/WebX?14@@.ee721ec http://www.kosovo.com http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanews.html http://www.egroups.com/list/kosovo/ http://headlines.yahoo.com/Full_Coverage/World/Kosovo/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/kosovo/ http://www.msnbc.com/news/KOSOVO_Front.asp http://www.abcnews.go.com/world/Kosovo/new_kosovo_index.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-svr/inatl/longterm/balkans/balkans.htm http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/kosovo.htm http://www.megastories.com/kosovo/index.htm http://www.b92.net/ http://www.radio21.net/english/headlines.htm http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/kosovo.htm http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/kosovo/index.html http://www.balkanaction.org/links.html http://www.hrw.org/hrw/campaigns/kosovo98/index.htm http://www.alb-net.com/index.htm Home | Services | News | Forums | Resources | Help Copyright ©1999 Anonymizer Inc. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Anonymizer, Links and an IDEA for PEACE . . .?
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- from: http://info.anonymizer.com/kosovo.shtml A HREF="http://info.anonymizer.com/kosovo.shtml"Anonymizer/A - Here's an idea. Let's TRANSCEND the GOVERNMENT and let us, THE people start a dialoge with Serbs and then through the INTERNET bring about PEACE. . . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo, coal and oil
-Caveat Lector- Montenegro = "black mountain"? = a mountain of coal...? http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36fd198d79a4.htm Topic: Kosovo The 'Rockefeller Plan' for Yugoslavia - (a view from social.culture.yugoslavia) internet march 27 Patrick O'Connolly See March 1999 "Foreign Affairs" Council on Foreign Relations. CFR believes that Oil Dollars must no longer be sent to the Muslims, who will only use the money for war. - paddy CIA demands that Israel no longer purchase Middle East Oil or Europe, US to use Grain-Alcohol, Europe/Israel to use Syn-Fuel from coal manufactured in "Cleansed" Yugoslavia. The goal is that if Middle East oil is no longer purchased, the muslims will once again return to their camels, and will not be able to wage war in the next century. This is the theory. *** For a discussion of this issue, please read the article in the current "Foriegn Affairs", by CIA director Woolsey, Regarding coal in Kosovo, I use the 1992 CIA fact book as my resource. If you want a comparative analysis of coal resources for Europe, I'll gladly do the research. Even Hitler fought for the coal in Kosovo, Hitler worked hard on converting coal to "Liquid Portable Energy", the CIA inherited Hitler's plan's dreams. Some of the most significant coal reserves for Europe lay in the Kosovo area of the Balkans, and your correct we have been over this before, I published my article that orginated this thread originally six months ago, Every thing that is happening, is happening as planned. I have been studying and researching this subject for over twenty years, sincerely, "There exists a leisure class at both ends of the economic spectrum" --- I could not find this in March on the internet but there was a reference to a Lugar-Woosley article in February. Anyone with access to Foreign Affairs maybe can check on this twist as to why we are in this war. Posted by: ex-snook () * 03/27/99 09:46:53 PST --- To: ex-snook There is another factor in this, something the rapacious World Bank, IMF and the UN are interested in -- the estimated $17 trillion in natural resources in Serbia/Kosovo. Kosovo has one of Europe's largest reserves of coal and lignite while Serbia alone has huge deposits of aluminum ore. Albania has large reserves of crude oil, which was part of the reason why Marshal Tito, after WWII, wanted to absorb Albania into Yugoslavia. The other was that Tito feared an extreme Maoist Albania (which retained the USSR Stalinist policy until 1961) being a Red Chinese version of Cuba in Europe, one whose seacoast straddled the eastern part of the only seaborne way in and out of the Adriatic, the Strait of Otranto. Given the fact that Albania was not absorbed into Yugoslavia, Tito for years attempted to keep Tirane's Stalinist/Maoist maniacs happy by allowing ethnic Albanian migration into Kosovo beginning with some 400,000 being allowed in during 1945-48. Pre-WWII Serb land deeds in Kosovo were cancelled and Albanians were given the Eastern European version of "affirmative action" in jobs, housing and the like. In the 1970s, the Albanians began their terror campaign against the Serbs, banning the Serb Cyrillic alphabet, banning the works of Serb authors and other artists and getting Serbs fired from their jobs. Violence began to escalate in the early 1980s after Tito's death, and got so bad by 1988 (the worst being mass rape of Serb Orthodox nuns) troops had to be sent in. This is where Milosevich rose to power, in successfully quelling the violence, at least for a brief time. In 1991, the news media insisted that "Albanians represented 1.2 million in Kosovo." In 1994 they said 1.4 million. In 1996 they insisted it was 1.6 million. Today we are told Albanians are "90% of 2 million" - as though we are unable to calculate this means 1.8 million, another mysterious 200,000 increase. Borrowing from Socrates, "scarcely a word of what they said is true." The media continues to omit that more than 400,000 Albanians are illegal aliens who crossed the border into Kosovo as easily as illegals cross our border into San Diego, Tucson, El Paso and Brownsville each night as we sleep. How compelling that US troops are defending borders in 100 countries, we aren't defending our own. Today, the US State Department claims Serbs are 10% of Kosovo, with no explanation that they claimed Serbs were 14% in 1991. Were 4% killed, expelled, or just made invisible? They also tell us the Gypsies are 7%, the Greeks 2.3%, the Turks 1.5%, the Montenegrins 2%, and others 1%. By my calculations that means the Albanians can't possibly represent more than 50% of Kosovo, after subtracting the 400,000 illegals and the 300,000 who fled to England, Switzerland, Italy and Germany, most of whom have no
[CTRL] Kosovo Crisis
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/ A HREF="http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/"Chronicles - A Magazine of American Culture/A - Kosovo Crisis In conducting negotiations over the future of Kosovo, the Clinton administration has deliberately kept both the Congress and the American people in the dark. What follows is a detailed analysis of information that is available in the foreign press but has so far received little if any attention in the US. Although the details are complicated, the basic situation is very clear: 1) The Clinton administration is calling for a NATO/US solution to the Kosovo crisis because of a massacre of civilians which allegedly took place in the village of Racak in Kosovo. 2) A French TV crew was present when Yugoslav police took the village and say it was a fire-fight between Yugoslav forces and heavily-armed KLA fighters. Yugoslav forensic authorities have declared the massacre a hoax: dead KLA soldiers, they way, were redressed in civilian clothes and piled into a ditch they had dug. 3) The forensic case has been settled by a Finnish team of physicians brought in by the international community. However, the Finnish teams report has not been made public, even though it is now more than three weeks since the dead have been buried. What is in that report is almost certainly a confirmation of the Yugoslav position: a) because in leaving Yugoslavia the Finns made a statement praising the high professional standards of the Yugoslav forensic pathologists, and b) according to the respected German newspaper Die Welt, the report is "a hot potato" that will undermine the US position, and c) an independent forensics team from Belarus came to the same conclusion as the Yugoslav doctors. The Kosovo crisis is one of the most complex that an American government has ever faced. On one side are the claims (somewhat exaggerated) of majority rule; on the other side are the undisputed facts that Kosovo is, legally, only a region of Serbia and, historically, the very core of the Serbian heartland. Whatever the US decides to do about Kosovo, the Congress and the people have a right to get the full story from the administration, before even considering the use of intimidation and force. Kosovo: The Real Story Prepared by the editors of Chronicles and The Rockford Institute Self-inflicted atrocities and stage-managed "massacres" have paid rich dividends to the Muslim side in Bosnia. In May 1992 the Sarajevo "Breadline Massacre"-with TV crews mysteriously in attendance to film the blood and guts- facilitated the imposition of punitive sanctions against Serbia, some of which are still in force. Indian General Satish Nambiar, UN commander at the time, stated to me (March 6, 1999) that "no UN officer in the field at the time had any doubt that the Muslims did it to themselves in order to get political support and sympathy." In February 1994 the show was repeated at Sarajevos Markale market, with similar results: the Serbs were forced to withdraw heavy weapons around Sarajevo, and were bombed. for the first time by NATO soon thereafter. Subsequent UN investigation concluded that the Muslims did it to themselves (as confirmed by Lord Owen, General Sir Michael Rose and others), but the report was suppressed on US insistence. In August 1995 the "Trznica Massacre" in Sarajevo was the opener for some three weeks of massive American-led air strikes against the Bosnian Serbs, facilitating a Croat-Muslim offensive that ethnically cleansed western Bosnia of its Serb inhabitants. No independent investigation of the incident as demanded by the Serbs was even allowed this time. Right now the Administration is pressuring the Serbs to accept a NATO force of 28,000 on their territory, including 4,000 US servicemen, as a result of yet another stage-managed "massacre"-in the village of Racak in Kosovo--last January. That "massacre" resulted in Albrights and Clintons claim that no solution is acceptable in Kosovo unless it included a NATO force. By now the demand for Serbia to open its borders to some tens of thousands of foreign soldiers, or face NATO bombing, has become an immutable tenet in Washingtons approach to the region. The fact that the event which enabled the interventionists within the Administration to formulate such policy was entirely bogus, while largely known in Europe, is being actively suppressed by the US. The facts of the case are as follows: On January 16, 1999, from coast to coast US media went into a state of righteous rage over the "discovery" of 45 dead Albanians at Racak, allegedly "civilians butchered in cold blood." The head of the OSCE observer mission in Kosovo, American diplomat William Walker, immediately and categorically asserted that the Serbs were to blame. Belgrade's claim that the forty five bodies were in fact KLA guerrillas fallen during the fight in the surrounding areas was scornfully rejected in Washington as "Serbian propaganda." Not
[CTRL] Kosovo - Why? #1
-Caveat Lector- !-- Beginning of Information on Kosovo -- from the serbs themselves A HREF="http://www.serbia-info.com/"Click here: Serbia Info News / Front page/A A HREF="http://www.sinkers.org/kosovo-demoMar2499/"Click here: "End U.S. War in Kosovo!", Washington DC 03.24.99/A Subj:ANOTHER MANUFACTURED WAR? Date: 3/27/99 6:25:53 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Activist Mailing List) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Activist Mailing List) Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/ Kosovo Crisis In conducting negotiations over the future of Kosovo, the Clinton administration has deliberately kept both the Congress and the American people in the dark. What follows is a detailed analysis of information that is available in the foreign press but has so far received little if any attention in the US. Although the details are complicated, the basic situation is very clear: 1) The Clinton administration is calling for a NATO/US solution to the Kosovo crisis because of a massacre of civilians which allegedly took place in the village of Racak in Kosovo. 2) A French TV crew was present when Yugoslav police took the village and say it was a fire-fight between Yugoslav forces and heavily-armed KLA fighters. Yugoslav forensic authorities have declared the massacre a hoax: dead KLA soldiers, they way, were redressed in civilian clothes and piled into a ditch they had dug. 3) The forensic case has been settled by a Finnish team of physicians brought in by the international community. However, the Finnish teams report has not been made public, even though it is now more than three weeks since the dead have been buried. What is in that report is almost certainly a confirmation of the Yugoslav position: a) because in leaving Yugoslavia the Finns made a statement praising the high professional standards of the Yugoslav forensic pathologists, and b) according to the respected German newspaper Die Welt, the report is "a hot potato" that will undermine the US position, and c) an independent forensics team from Belarus came to the same conclusion as the Yugoslav doctors. The Kosovo crisis is one of the most complex that an American government has ever faced. On one side are the claims (somewhat exaggerated) of majority rule; on the other side are the undisputed facts that Kosovo is, legally, only a region of Serbia and, historically, the very core of the Serbian heartland. Whatever the US decides to do about Kosovo, the Congress and the people have a right to get the full story from the administration, before even considering the use of intimidation and force. Kosovo: The Real Story Prepared by the editors of Chronicles and The Rockford Institute Self-inflicted atrocities and stage-managed "massacres" have paid rich dividends to the Muslim side in Bosnia. In May 1992 the Sarajevo "Breadline Massacre"-with TV crews mysteriously in attendance to film the blood and guts- facilitated the imposition of punitive sanctions against Serbia, some of which are still in force. Indian General Satish Nambiar, UN commander at the time, stated to me (March 6, 1999) that "no UN officer in the field at the time had any doubt that the Muslims did it to themselves in order to get political support and sympathy." In February 1994 the show was repeated at Sarajevos Markale market, with similar results: the Serbs were forced to withdraw heavy weapons around Sarajevo, and were bombed. for the first time by NATO soon thereafter. Subsequent UN investigation concluded that the Muslims did it to themselves (as confirmed by Lord Owen, General Sir Michael Rose and others), but the report was suppressed on US insistence. In August 1995 the "Trznica Massacre" in Sarajevo was the opener for some three weeks of massive American-led air strikes against the Bosnian Serbs, facilitating a Croat-Muslim offensive that ethnically cleansed western Bosnia of its Serb inhabitants. No independent investigation of the incident as demanded by the Serbs was even allowed this time. Right now the Administration is pressuring the Serbs to accept a NATO force of 28,000 on their territory, including 4,000 US servicemen, as a result of yet another stage-managed "massacre"-in the village of Racak in Kosovo--last January. That "massacre" resulted in Albrights and Clintons claim that no solution is acceptable in Kosovo unless it included a NATO force. By now the demand for Serbia to open its borders to some tens of thousands of foreign soldiers, or face NATO bombing, has become an immutable tenet in Washingtons approach to the region. The fact that the event which enabled the interventionists within the Administration to formulate such policy was entirely bogus, while largely known in Europe, is being actively suppressed by the US. The facts of the case are as follows: On January 16, 1999, from coast to coast US media went into a state of righteous
[CTRL] Kosovo - Why? #2
-Caveat Lector- Some one is trying to give the US a bad name. Will there be a bogus chemical attack on US soil next to cover up. Bottom line - The Earth could be thought of as source code for DNA. How are these people doing their documentation and where are they keeping it? What it comes down to is that they are showing that a Carbon based life form is self destructive. They have put us on the same footing as food animals, The mentality that has done this is psychologically self destructive and when / if we get to the stars or another culture (Intergalactic) takes over the human food animal they (that profess to have done this for the purity of the race) will be the first to go. Why? They have shown themselves to be the most mindless of the food Humans. http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/contents.htm http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/chem.htm Unauthorized Biography of George Bush - Online at http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/time_line.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo - Why? #3
-Caveat Lector- Ramblings, from someone that is wondering what the is going on. http://www.workers.org/ww/1999/kosovo0401.html U.S. attacks little Yugoslavia A day of infamy All the excuses given by President Bill Clinton cannot conceal the naked truth: the world's biggest nuclear power, a country of some 272 million people, has launched a war against a small, mostly agricultural country of 10 million people on the other side of the globe. "Small, Mostly Agricultural Country"? Wonder if they were not intrested in having GM (Genetically Modified) food and Monsanto in their country and they are being used as a example? from: http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/ A HREF="http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/"Chronicles - A Magazine of American Culture/A 2) A French TV crew was present when Yugoslav police took the village and say it was a fire-fight between Yugoslav forces and heavily-armed KLA fighters. Yugoslav forensic authorities have declared the massacre a hoax: dead KLA soldiers, they way, were redressed in civilian clothes and piled into a ditch they had dug. Makes me wonder who is backing the KLA? Could it be the CIA? Or maybe Monsanto, with Bill Clinton and Bush Sr.'s blessing. If they can get the Libary of Congress and the Vatican taken out then they would be able to re-write history. How? By showing that the Constution and the way of life that the 10 Commandments advicate is not working. They would not want that way of thought to surface again would they? Laura DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo - Why? #3
-Caveat Lector- --- 1lls0081 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ramblings, from someone that is wondering what the is going on. http://www.workers.org/ww/1999/kosovo0401.html U.S. attacks little Yugoslavia A day of infamy All the excuses given by President Bill Clinton cannot conceal the naked truth: the world's biggest nuclear power, a country of some 272 million people, has launched a war against a small, mostly agricultural country of 10 million people on the other side of the globe. "Small, Mostly Agricultural Country"? Wonder if they were not intrested in having GM (Genetically Modified) food and Monsanto in their country and they are being used as a example? snip, snip Good point to ponder , I also find the statement regarding the US still being the biggest nuclear power to be highly questionable against even one other country such as Russia or China , in terms of both combined not a chance ! Divine~ - It's important to learn from others mistakes , you don't have time to make them all yourself . - _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo according to Sherman S.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/27/99 3:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, good ol' Sherman Skolnick was on for the last hour of Sightings last night. Turns out not one single person knows what is really going on. It's about . well, listen to the archive for yourself. DECLARA Could you post the URL Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo according to Sherman S.
-Caveat Lector- here is the URL http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm STEVE Jim Yester wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/27/99 3:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, good ol' Sherman Skolnick was on for the last hour of Sightings last night. Turns out not one single person knows what is really going on. It's about . well, listen to the archive for yourself. DECLARA Could you post the URL Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo according to Sherman S.
-Caveat Lector- http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm Forward to the last hour. His name is not listed for obvious reasons... Jim Yester wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/27/99 3:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, good ol' Sherman Skolnick was on for the last hour of Sightings last night. Turns out not one single person knows what is really going on. It's about . well, listen to the archive for yourself. DECLARA Could you post the URL Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Drugs Target Christian Infidels (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On 26 Mar 99, , Brian wrote: I 'm amazed that someone who's apparently knowledgeable about conspiracies, such as yourself, has apparently bought into the mainstream media propaganda which demonizes the Serbs. Thank you for thinking me "knowledgeable." Some years ago, when the Olympics were held in Sarajevo, all these folks were living peacefully side by side. Someone stirred up old animosities and opened old wounds. I would lay that little burden at the feet of whoever was working with the neo-Nazis-- and perhaps implicate the Vatican...as I've said before, I read a book --a novel by a very well-informed and well-known author (whose name I can't recall as I can't recall the title of this novel) which pretty well laid out what eventually happened a year or two later in Bosnia-Herzigovena. What is happening now was planned at least a decade ago. What I do "buy" is that it is the Serbs who have been massacring masses of civilians and that the huge numbers of refugees will create serious instability in surrounding regions. In a Civil War, people die in battle. When people are massacred in the tens of thousands, that is not Civil War--it is genocide. It was genocide in Cambodia and in East Timor and it is genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo. Genocide is never okay--whether the US choses to do something about it or not.Genocide is wrong even when drug money pays for the few guns the victims have to defend themselves with. However, whenever things turn ugly in the Balkans, we all have reason to worry. If someone wanted to ignite WWIII, it is one of the two likely tinderboxes. Brian, I can't even pretend to understand. I'm not "buying" anything. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo and Bilderbergers
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/bild98.htm A HREF="http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/bild98.htm"the 1998 bilderberg conference summary.../A - Many embeds and links at site. Om K - The 1998 BILDERBERG CONFERENCE Summary... A NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE SPECIAL ADVISORY 1998 BILDERBERG MEETING ENDS WAR PLANNED ON CYPRUS IF KOSOVO CRISIS STALLED EUROPEAN-ATLANTIC UNION EYED AS NEXT STEP IN GLOBALISM TRUCULENT JAPAN CAUSING CONCERN REGARDING PLANNED ASIAN UNION [Copyright (c) 1998, New World Order Intelligence Update. This article may be reposted to Internet conferences and Web sites if unaltered and unedited. Prior permission to otherwise reprint or reproduce is required, and may be obtained by contacting John Whitley as detailed below.] CONTACT: John Whitley E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 416-481 4868 Fax: 416-322 3686 TORONTO, 16th May, 1998 The 1998 meeting of the secretive and immensely-powerful Bilderberg Group closes tomorrow at the luxurious Turnberry Hotel in Ayrshire, Scotland. The 120 or so Bilderbergers, who normally converge at their pre-selected venue with as much secrecy as possible, had hoped that their selection for the May 14th - 17th conference this year, 15 miles south of Ayr and a quarter of a mile away from the A77 trunk road to Glasgow, would - together with armed and black-clad police at the the property entrance and around the perimeter - guarantee their previously-inviolate privacy. They have still not recovered from the acute discomfort which they experienced when the TORONTO STAR and local Toronto media, acting on detailed Press Releases from the NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE [http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley], ran several major articles revealing their existence and querying, for the first time in their then 43-year history, the nature and purpose of their secretive conclave at a $66-million luxury resort property at King City, just north of Toronto Conrad Black, the most closely-watched media magnate in Canadian history, was the convener of that 1996 meeting, during which - exhibiting a new and disarming policy of openness - the Bilderbergers released a list of attendees and a highly-generalized and non-specific agenda. They tried the same proactive approach at their 1997 meeting in Georgia; but now, apparently, find the comfort of dark anonymity and of non-existent Press Releases to be more congenial to their purposes again. Well, unfortunately, much of their security effort has been wasted. For here once again, following the tradition of free publicity for the Bilderbergers which we first established at their 1996 meeting, are the substantive issues which they discussed at their secretive 1998 Conference. Since the Bilderbergers make a point of never confirming or denying the substance of their discussions, we invite our readers to take note of the following items and to compare them with the contents of their newspapers over the forthcoming months. Our sources have shown an extraordinarily high degree of accuracy over the past several years, as those who have purchased our detailed Bilderberg Report can attest [see our Report web page at http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/bild.htm]. We need, for reasons which will quickly become obvious, to refresh our readers memories at this point. During and following the 1996 Bilderberg Conference, we asserted that Bilderberger Bill Clinton would be re-elected as U.S. president; that he would promptly break his promise to bring American troops home from Bosnia, but that he would re-position them in Hungary and the surrounding countries instead and pass command of the Bosnian operation to a German general and 3,000 German combat troops from Heidelberg [this later occurred, in October, 1996]; and that the Bilderbergers had thereafter arranged to inflame the Serbs by pursuing the war criminals in their midst for trial before a new International Court [the Serbs, a proud but experienced people, side-stepped this provocation by persuading the lower- and middle-level suspects to voluntarily surrender]. If that failed to incite a Balkan war, then we pointed out that they were prepared to utilize Kosovo to bring one about: "When war comes, as expected, Kosovo, at the southern tip of the Serbian Republic, may be the flashpoint that ignites a wider war involving Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, Russia, and Turkey - in addition to the hapless U.S. and NATO troops caught in the middle. Kosovo, "the Jerusalem of the Balkans", is a self-proclaimed nominally independent "republic", presided over by "President" Ibrahim Rugova. It is, in fact, a province of Serbia, though its population is largely of Albanian descent. The United States, though on record as recommending more "au tonomy" for Kosovo, treats the province to all intents and purposes as a de
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Drugs Target Christian Infidels (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On 25 Mar 99, , Brian wrote: -Caveat Lector- KOSOVO DRUGS TARGET "CHRISTIAN INFIDELS" "U.S. soldiers called upon to enforce a 'peace' accord that turns Kosovo over to the KLA might be interested to know that they are risking their lives on behalf of a criminal syndicate that for years has pumped heroin into the U.S. and threatened the lives of American law enforcement officials." [1] (CNNS, 03/25/99) -- New York City is the final destination of the Istanbul-Yugoslavia-New York heroin pipeline. Between 25 and 40 percent of the U.S. heroin supply travels this route. [2] How does this explain 10,000 refugees--women, children, the elderly-- fleeing their burning villages? The Sherman Skolnick post came closest to clarity. The Croats are the Nazis and Ustashe. Okay, got that. Now the Kosovans are heroin traffickers. And The Serbs are the Boy Scouts? Are we supposed to believe that The Slob is just trying to cleanse the world of heroin traffickers? And we are bombing the "good guys"? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Drugs Target Christian Infidels (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 25 Mar 99, , Brian wrote: -Caveat Lector- KOSOVO DRUGS TARGET "CHRISTIAN INFIDELS" "U.S. soldiers called upon to enforce a 'peace' accord that turns Kosovo over to the KLA might be interested to know that they are risking their lives on behalf of a criminal syndicate that for years has pumped heroin into the U.S. and threatened the lives of American law enforcement officials." [1] (CNNS, 03/25/99) -- New York City is the final destination of the Istanbul-Yugoslavia-New York heroin pipeline. Between 25 and 40 percent of the U.S. heroin supply travels this route. [2] How does this explain 10,000 refugees--women, children, the elderly-- fleeing their burning villages? It's a thing called "civil war." In our own, U.S. Civil War, General Sherman also did a lot of burning. Now the Kosovans are heroin traffickers. And The Serbs are the Boy Scouts? That is a *non sequiter*. Are we supposed to believe that The Slob is just trying to cleanse the world of heroin traffickers? And we are bombing the "good guys"? Believe what you want. The first casualty of war is truth. Mainstream press gives its own one-sided picture, as do U.S. politicians and top bureaucrats. The real circumstance, as a Confederate general once said: War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it. It's a bad situation all around, but NATO is making it worse. Plus, as noted, I don't trust the humanitarian fig leaf as NATO's motive. If U.S. is truly so concerned about humanitarian, there are many still suffering in Central America after Hurricane Mitch, yet the great humanitarians of Washington, DC have done little about that. I'm amazed that someone who's apparently knowledgeable about conspiracies, such as yourself, has apparently bought into the mainstream media propaganda which demonizes the Serbs. Many also bought into the Waco propaganda, in 1993, but you'd think, at some point, people would "get it." Brian Redman Editor, CNNS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Drugs Target Christian Infidels (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- At 11:11 26/03/99 +, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 25 Mar 99, , Brian wrote: -Caveat Lector- KOSOVO DRUGS TARGET "CHRISTIAN INFIDELS" "U.S. soldiers called upon to enforce a 'peace' accord that turns Kosovo over to the KLA might be interested to know that they are risking their lives on behalf of a criminal syndicate that for years has pumped heroin into the U.S. and threatened the lives of American law enforcement officials." [1] (CNNS, 03/25/99) -- New York City is the final destination of the Istanbul-Yugoslavia-New York heroin pipeline. Between 25 and 40 percent of the U.S. heroin supply travels this route. [2] How does this explain 10,000 refugees--women, children, the elderly-- fleeing their burning villages? The Sherman Skolnick post came closest to clarity. The Croats are the Nazis and Ustashe. Okay, got that. Now the Kosovans are heroin traffickers. And The Serbs are the Boy Scouts? Are we supposed to believe that The Slob is just trying to cleanse the world of heroin traffickers? And we are bombing the "good guys"? sno0wl maybe not, but from what i've heard here, there obviously are no good guys in this war. as there are very few good guys in any conflict who will not go to some length to get their goal, even if people do get hurt. having a free mind is the art of listening to everyone's propoganda and trying to find the truth. blody difficult as well. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kosovo Drugs Target Christian Infidels (fwd)
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KOSOVO DRUGS TARGET "CHRISTIAN INFIDELS"
"U.S. soldiers called upon to enforce a 'peace' accord that
turns Kosovo over to the KLA might be interested to know
that they are risking their lives on behalf of a criminal
syndicate that for years has pumped heroin into the U.S.
and threatened the lives of American law enforcement
officials." [1]
(CNNS, 03/25/99) -- New York City is the final destination of the
Istanbul-Yugoslavia-New York heroin pipeline. Between 25 and 40
percent of the U.S. heroin supply travels this route. [2]
Controlling the Yugoslav portion of this heroin pipeline is the
Albanian mafia, itself hand-in-glove with the Kosovo Liberation
Army (KLA). The KLA is "an international drug-dealing mafia
masquerading as an idealistic liberation army." [3]
Narco dollars buy the guns which keep the "liberation army"
going.
Until recently, Agim Gashi, an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, was
Milan, Italy's foremost drug lord. He used his illegal drug
profits to help the KLA purchase weapons. Italian police
eavesdropped on one of Gashi's phone conversations, in which
Gashi fervently declared his wish to "submerge Christian infidels
in drugs." [4]
For some unknown reason the U.S. has been quietly eager to
intrude U.S. armed forces into the Kosovo region. But a fig leaf
was needed, behind which to hide the true motive, before
intervention could occur. According to a report by the U.S.
Senate Republican Policy Committee (RPC), dated August 12, 1998,
"planning for a U.S.-led NATO intervention in Kosovo is now
largely in place... The only missing element seems to be an
event -- with suitably vivid media coverage -- that would make
the intervention politically salable..." [5]
What was needed was a *causa belli*, a pretext for war, such as
in the now infamous "Tonkin Gulf Incident." On August 4, 1964,
President Lyndon Johnson gravely announced that U.S. destroyers
had been attacked by the North Vietnamese in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Widespread outrage propelled the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution
through Congress and pushed us into the Vietnam War. Now, after
58,000 U.S. soldiers dead and $400 billion spent, it's becoming
increasingly clear that the Tonkin Gulf Incident, as such, never
happened! Writes Jonathan Kwitny in his book, "Endless Enemies":
"What we know is entirely consistent with the possibility that
the Tonkin Gulf Incident was a put-up job, designed to sucker the
North Vietnamese into providing justification for a planned U.S.
expansion of the war..." [6]
Phase 2 of the Kosovo *causa belli* may be a staged event of Serb
troops supposedly crossing over into Macedonia. Such a staged
event would "excuse" NATO troops, now massed in Macedonia, for
invading Kosovo.
Phase 1 of the Kosovo *causa belli*, the needed fig leaf behind
which to justify NATO air attacks, was the mid-January, 1999,
supposed discovery of a massacre of ethnic Albanians. Yet here
again, as in the Tonkin Gulf Incident, later analysis raises
troubling questions. Asks the French newspaper, *Le Figaro*,
"What really happened? During the night, could the [KLA] have
gathered the bodies, in fact killed by Serb bullets, to set up a
scene of cold-blooded massacre?" [7] Also expressing doubts on
the believability of the so-called "Racak massacre" was *Le
Monde* newspaper correspondent Christophe Chatelot: "Isn't the
Racak massacre just too perfect?" [8]
"When will they ever learn... When will they ever learn," sang
Peter, Paul and Mary ("Where have all the flowers gone?"). When
will *we* ever learn? When will we ever learn that politicians
and mainstream reporters are not to be trusted?
--- Notes ---
[1] "Diving Into the Kosovo Quagmire," by William Norman Grigg.
New American magazine, 3/15/99.
[2] Wall Street Journal, 9/9/85. Qtd. in Grigg, op. cit.
[3] Analysis by Ben Works, director of Strategic Research
Institute of the United States (SIRIUS). Qtd. in Grigg, op. cit.
[4] Grigg, op. cit.
[5] Analysis by U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee (RPC),
8/12/98. Qtd. in Grigg, op. cit.
[6] Kwitny, qtd. in *It's A Conspiracy!* by Michael Litchfield.
Berkeley: Earth Works Press, 1992. ISBN: 1-879682-10-9.
[7] *Le Figaro* article, qtd. in Grigg, op. cit.
[8] Chatelot, qtd. in Grigg, op. cit.
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