Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
On Saturday 17 January 2009, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote about 'Re: k3b brasero don't
work, nerolinux does- works ar 2X':
Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
http://lwn.net/Articles/198171
On Sunday 18 January 2009, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote about 'Re: k3b brasero don't
work, nerolinux does- works ar 2X':
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
On Saturday 17 January 2009, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote
On 01/18/2009 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone that cares (or, perhaps, is
schooled in formal logic and needs some exercise) back me up on that
assertion?
Maybe it is time to stop discussing and look at this discussion from a
distance.
Jörg didn't produce solid evidence for
Original Message
From: winfr...@tilanus.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: k3b brasero don't work, nerolinux does- works ar 2X
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:28:50 +0100
On 01/18/2009 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone that cares (or, perhaps, is
schooled
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
Unfortunately Sun then developed the CDDL[1] and Jörg Schilling
released parts of recent versions of cdrtools under this license.
True.
Given the fact that attacking Sun (the largest donator of OpenSOurce
software) is definitely
On Sunday 18 January 2009 18:37:38 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
Unfortunately Sun then developed the CDDL[1] and Jörg Schilling
released parts of recent versions of cdrtools under this license.
True.
Given the fact that attacking Sun
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 04:31:47PM +0100, Winfried Tilanus wrote:
On 01/16/2009 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Debian however is definitively in conflict with the Copyright law
Jörg, this is a severe accusation. If it is true, then it calls for
immediate action. So I ask you once again:
Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
Maybe Jörg could comment on the below article:
http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/
Let me answer as quick as your question was:
Everything starting with the word Unfortunately in this article is plain FUD.
Jörg
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On Saturday 17 January 2009, Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote about 'Re: k3b brasero don't
work, nerolinux does- works ar 2X':
Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/
Everything starting with the word Unfortunately
Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Joerg Schilling:
As mentioned before: cdrkit is neither free nor working.
Jörg, is there anything we can do to make you recognize the fact that
there are different opinions on that subject and that there is no sense
in trying to educate anyone
On 01/16/2009 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Debian however is definitively in conflict with the Copyright law
Jörg, this is a severe accusation. If it is true, then it calls for
immediate action. So I ask you once again: please give us all juridical
details, so we can judge the validity of this
Joerg Schilling:
Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
Jörg, is there anything we can do to make you recognize the fact that
there are different opinions on that subject and that there is no sense
in trying to educate anyone on this list? You are doing yourself and
this list a
On Friday 2009 January 16 09:57:53 Jochen Schulz wrote:
Joerg Schilling:
You as a user are not going to run into problems as the Copyright law
allows to run software independent from whether it has been published
illegally. Debian however is definitively in conflict with the Copyright
law
On Sat,10.Jan.09, 12:30:07, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Still, I have no doubt reportbug could be improved.
http://packages.debian.org/reportbug-ng
Careful, several Debian Developers have complained about it, including
the Release Team:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
So you are happy if someone givey you pre-alpha's and calls them stable?
This sounds really strange.
My first requirement is that the release team does not feel the need to use
the qualifier alpha. I did not say that was my only
On Thursday 2009 January 15 09:10:21 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
So you are happy if someone givey you pre-alpha's and calls them
stable? This sounds really strange.
My first requirement is that the release team does not
Joerg Schilling:
As mentioned before: cdrkit is neither free nor working.
Jörg, is there anything we can do to make you recognize the fact that
there are different opinions on that subject and that there is no sense
in trying to educate anyone on this list? You are doing yourself and
this list
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. schrieb:
If Paul makes a bug report, this will just add another bug to the long list
of bugs in cdrkit but it will not result in a bugfix.
Since previous bugs files have resulted in a bugfix, I choose not to believe
your predictions of the future.
Given the bug
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
The minimum requirements one need to have on a stable release is that it
does not have known bugs at the time of piublishing.
We have different requirements for a stable release.
Cdrecord had 50 stable releases that match the requirements
On Monday 2009 January 12 09:41:45 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
The minimum requirements one need to have on a stable release is that
it does not have known bugs at the time of piublishing.
We have different requirements for a stable release.
On Sat January 10 2009, Celejar wrote:
yes, that is my bug report. When I type reportbug it started the
process. I'm not sure how it picked that namd/email combo, unless I
signed up for reportbug with it long ago I use my yahoo account for
some online STUFF where I don't want to give
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
On Friday 2009 January 09 09:25:31 Joerg Schilling wrote:
There recently have been some mails from Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. and
Johannes Wiedersich that have not been send to me, so it seems that the
authors are not interested in a
On Sunday 2009 January 11 08:17:19 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Then please follow the Nettiquette rules and send Cc:'s!
The rules for this mailing list are available from the URL I posted. Please
follow them and do not CC me on posts to the list. If you would like to be
CC'd on posts to the list,
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:59:52PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
On Friday 2009 January 09 21:15:31 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I usually search/browse b.d.o looking for
my bug. If I find it I just add more information by email. If I
On Sat January 10 2009, Bob Cox wrote:
Hi Paul - I have just been looking at this bug report of yours, which I
assume is the one at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511369
yes, that is my bug report. When I type reportbug it started the process.
I'm not sure how it picked
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:37:23 -0500
Paul Cartwright a...@pcartwright.com wrote:
...
yes, that is my bug report. When I type reportbug it started the process.
I'm not sure how it picked that namd/email combo, unless I signed up for
reportbug with it long ago I use my yahoo account for
John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
The people behind wodim do not follow the conditions of the GPL and they
do not follow the conditions in the higher worthy Urbebertrechts law.
Whether the name is used directly or via a symlink does not matter. The
original names are used without
On 01/09/2009 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Hi,
It does not make sense to inform you about these details.
It is a pity you see it like that, see below.
The people who are responsible for the violations and the redistributors are
informed, they know that they are in conflit GPL and and that
There recently have been some mails from Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. and
Johannes Wiedersich that have not been send to me, so it seems that the
authors are not interested in a discussion. Their mail contained the usual
accusations: the claim that cdrtools is not free and that there is no
Joerg Schilling escreveu:
There recently have been some mails from Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. and
Johannes Wiedersich that have not been send to me, so it seems that the
authors are not interested in a discussion.
This discussion is happening on the debian-user mailing lists, and in
On Friday 2009 January 09 09:25:31 Joerg Schilling wrote:
There recently have been some mails from Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. and
Johannes Wiedersich that have not been send to me, so it seems that the
authors are not interested in a discussion.
Actually, we are interested in discussion, but the are
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I'm glad cdrecord/cdrtools was able to solve Paul's issue. Paul should
file a bug with the details so that Debian and the cdrkit project can fix
the underlying issue.
point me in the right direction.
I used to have a working system that
Paul Cartwright escreveu:
point me in the right direction.
I used to have a working system that could burn a DVD any time I wanted.Under
SUSE 9-10.1 I could, and under Debian Etch I could, and probably earlier this
year under Lenny I could. I have now created a large pile of coasters trying
On Fri January 9 2009, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
There is a setting in K3B where you specify the paths to the programs it
uses. (Not sure the exact menu,but it is something like Configure K3B.)
Settings menu-Configure k3b
If your problem was solved with the original cdrecord, point k3b to
On Friday 2009 January 09 11:19:43 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I'm glad cdrecord/cdrtools was able to solve Paul's issue. Paul should
file a bug with the details so that Debian and the cdrkit project can fix
the underlying issue.
point me in the
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
point me in the right direction.
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
We strongly recommend that you report bugs in Debian using the reportbug
program. To install and start it, simply run:
aptitude install reportbug; reportbug
I'll
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
point me in the right direction.
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
Package: k3b
Version: 1.0.5-3
Followup-For: Bug #499066
done.
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Joerg Schilling wrote:
There recently have been some mails from Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. and
Johannes Wiedersich that have not been send to me, so it seems that the
authors are not interested in a discussion.
This was not my intention.
On Friday 2009 January 09 13:50:57 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Followup-For: Bug #499066
done.
Thank you. You also might want to subscribe to the bug to receive updates to
it as email. (Link at the bug page.) Also,
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I'm not sure this is really a k3b bug though -- you said it affected other
programs as well, yes. Please add to the bug what other programs you saw
affected -- it is possible that the bug may need to be reassigned (e.g. to
cdrkit or the
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. schrieb:
On Friday 2009 January 09 13:50:57 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Followup-For: Bug #499066
done.
Thank you. You also might want to subscribe to the bug to receive updates to
it as email. (Link at the bug page.)
Paul Cartwright schrieb:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I'm not sure this is really a k3b bug though -- you said it affected other
programs as well, yes. Please add to the bug what other programs you saw
affected -- it is possible that the bug may need to be reassigned
some URL
to the bug report that the maintainer can use to locate the thread. Your
description see thread is debian-user:
Re: k3b brasero don't work, nerolinux does- works ar 2X is much harder to
find than you might think, especially later. A link to gmane or marc a al.
would be best, I think
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
On Friday 2009 January 09 13:50:57 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Followup-For: Bug #499066
done.
Thank you. You also might want to subscribe to the bug to receive updates to
it as email. (Link at the bug page.)
On Friday 2009 January 09 16:37:23 Wayne Topa wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
it is possible that the bug may need to be reassigned (e.g. to
cdrkit or the kernel).
I must be missing somthing here. Running Testing/unstable and the only
cdrkit I can find is cdrkit-doc. Is this just an etch
On Fri January 9 2009, Rainer Kluge wrote:
...and you should try to give a more specific description of the
problem. Does the write process fail?
yes it did. with K3B it would say completed, yet when I ejected the DVD then
put it back in, it said it was blank. Other times, it wouldstart
see thread is debian-user:
Re: k3b brasero don't work, nerolinux does- works ar 2X is much harder
to find than you might think, especially later. A link to gmane or marc
a al. would be best, I think.
here is the original thread with my original failure- subject:
unable to burn DVD :
http
On Fri January 9 2009, Rainer Kluge wrote:
I am afraid that this bug report will have no effect. The problem
discussed in this thread seems to be a problem in the tools used by k3b
and not a problem in k3b itself. The bug report should be for growisofs.
I would be surprised if the k3b
On Friday 2009 January 09 20:32:20 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Rainer Kluge wrote:
I am afraid that this bug report will have no effect. The problem
discussed in this thread seems to be a problem in the tools used by k3b
and not a problem in k3b itself. The bug report should
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
It's really a judgement call. I usually search/browse b.d.o looking for my
bug. If I find it I just add more information by email. If I am unable to
find it, I'll then use reportbug and generally tell reportbug that None of
these are my
On Friday 2009 January 09 21:15:31 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I usually search/browse b.d.o looking for
my bug. If I find it I just add more information by email. If I am
unable to find it, I'll then use reportbug and generally tell reportbug
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 21:32:20 -0500, Paul Cartwright (a...@pcartwright.com)
wrote:
On Fri January 9 2009, Rainer Kluge wrote:
I am afraid that this bug report will have no effect. The problem
discussed in this thread seems to be a problem in the tools used by k3b
and not a problem in
On Saturday 2009 January 10 00:22:17 Bob Cox wrote:
Anyway, in your bug report you say you took out genisoimage, but then
go on to say you were able to successfully use mkisofs. However, on my
system, mkisofs is just a symlink to genisoimage. In fact the package
description for mkisofs says
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 01:32:47 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
(b...@iguanasuicide.net) wrote:
On Saturday 2009 January 10 00:22:17 Bob Cox wrote:
Anyway, in your bug report you say you took out genisoimage, but then
go on to say you were able to successfully use mkisofs. However, on my
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Hallo Jörg,
Joerg Schilling wrote:
It _is_ a shame
that
Debian does not come with the bug-free original software but with a
replacement
that causes many problems for the Debian Users.
John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
Joerg.Schilling writes:
This seems to be an interesting claim.
If you only believe a lawsuit in court, then you would obviously not
believe the
claims from Debian. Nice to see!
Debian is accusing no one of copyright infringement.
In case you
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Debian on the other side violates GPL and Urheberrcht with the cdrkit fork.
I've seen you say that several times on this thread (an in other times),
but I've missed the explanation of exactly why did this allegedly
happen. I also did not find it in the cdrecord site,
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Joerg Schilling wrote:
Debian on the other side violates GPL and Urheberrcht with the cdrkit fork.
You should consider filing a bug report (or point us to the relevant one
in case I missed it). Violation of a license or a law is considered RC,
IIUC.
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Debian on the other side violates GPL and Urheberrcht with the cdrkit fork.
I've seen you say that several times on this thread (an in other times),
but I've missed the explanation of exactly why did this
Joerg.Schilling writes:
Debian acuses me for creating an alleged GPL problem.
Debian has accused you of nothing. Debian has determined that the license
conflict you have created could lead to legal problems for its distributors
and so has chosen not to distribute your software.
Debian on the
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
On Wednesday 2009 January 07 10:23:52 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
The problem with wodim is that it is not a real fork.
A fork is something that is supported,
Not true. In software engineering, a project fork
On Thursday 2009 January 08 08:08:58 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
On Wednesday 2009 January 07 10:23:52 Joerg Schilling wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
The problem with wodim is that it is not a real fork.
A fork is something that is
Joerg Schilling writes:
Well, I did discuss the problems with a German specialized lawyer who is
also active on the OSS community and it turns out that I am of course
able to sue the people behind wodim for more than violation.
...
The people behind wodim do not follow the conditions of the
On Thursday 2009 January 08 04:14:02 Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
It _is_ a shame
that Debian does not come with the bug-free original software but with a
replacement that causes many problems for the Debian Users.
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
The DFSG doesn't mention the CDDL specifically, but I'm fairly sure CDDL
is generally considered a free license. I could be wrong, DFSG-free is
generally more strict that OSI-open.
The CDDL is DFSG-compliant.
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Joerg doesn't like wodim, because he doesn't really believe people should be
able to fork his code. (He is the primary developer of cdrecord.) His
This is wrong. The problem with wodim is that it is not a real fork.
A fork is something that is supported, but wodim
I'm sorry if anyone is on the CC list that doesn't want to be. I was simply
following Joerg's lead. I understand that unrequested CCing is against the
Code of Conduct @ http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct and will
gladly drop your address from my mails if requested.
On
Joerg.Schilling writes:
On the other side, Debian introduced problems with GPL and Urheberrecht
in the fork so wodim/cdrkit cannot be legally distributed (see above).
When and in what court was your lawsuit filed? Where can we read the
decision? If no suit has been filed, where can we read
John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
Joerg.Schilling writes:
On the other side, Debian introduced problems with GPL and Urheberrecht
in the fork so wodim/cdrkit cannot be legally distributed (see above).
When and in what court was your lawsuit filed? Where can we read the
decision? If
Disclaimers: IANAL; IANADD; TINLA; TINASOTODP.
On Wednesday 2009 January 07 13:26:33 Joerg Schilling wrote:
John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote:
Joerg.Schilling writes:
On the other side, Debian introduced problems with GPL and Urheberrecht
in the fork so wodim/cdrkit cannot be legally
Joerg.Schilling writes:
On the other side, Debian introduced problems with GPL and Urheberrecht
in the fork so wodim/cdrkit cannot be legally distributed (see above).
I wrote:
When and in what court was your lawsuit filed? Where can we read the
decision? If no suit has been filed, where can
On Tue January 6 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Are you sure it it using the new cdrecord?
What do you understand by new cdrecord?
I don't think I knew all of that, thanks for the background. Why do people
always have to mess with something that is working!!
I recommand to have a look at
Please keep me on the CC!
Paul Cartwright wrote:
I recommand to have a look at the latest release (2.01.01a55) in
ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/
make sure to be root when calling make install, to allow cdrecord to be
installed suid root as needed on Linux.
I have a48
On Tuesday 2009 January 06 06:17:49 Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Tue January 6 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Are you sure it it using the new cdrecord?
What do you understand by new cdrecord?
I don't think I knew all of that, thanks for the background. Why do people
always have to mess with
On Tue January 6 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Wodim certainly had and has it's share of issues, but so has cdrecord. If
either (a) you don't intend to distribute cdrecord OR (b) you agree with
Joerg's interpretation of the GPL, I strongly encourage you to install
cdrecord from Joerg's
Paul Cartwright a...@pcartwright.com wrote:
We had a server outage last weekend. If you still have problems, ask your
ISP for help, thousands of people are using ftp.berlios.de without any
problem.
Jörg
I am having problems getting to this site and downloading updates:
Chris Bannister wrote:
Are you sure it it using the new cdrecord?
What do you understand by new cdrecord?
wodim has been created from a very old version of cdrecord
by adding new bugs and by changing things in a way that
makes wodim be in conflict with the GPL and the
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 07:37:56AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Sat January 3 2009, Chris Bannister wrote:
Have you changed/upgraded any hardware, in particular, added any HDs?
Does /var/log/syslog show anything interesting?
Does it work from the command-line, using videotrans or tovid
On Mon January 5 2009, Chris Bannister wrote:
ok, I'm not sure if it was the addition of the new cdrecord that I
installed, but this just worked:
$ makedvd -burn -speed 2
Are you sure it it using the new cdrecord?
no, how would I know? the man page doesn't show any options for cdrcord vs
On Sat January 3 2009, Chris Bannister wrote:
Have you changed/upgraded any hardware, in particular, added any HDs?
Does /var/log/syslog show anything interesting?
Does it work from the command-line, using videotrans or tovid or ...?
ok, I'm not sure if it was the addition of the new cdrecord
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