Re: medically smart watches

[Roy J. Tellason, Sr.]

On Sunday 25 February 2024 06:33:26 pm gene heskett wrote:
> On 2/25/24 14:19, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 February 2024 05:16:21 am gene heskett wrote:
> >> I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states,
> >> 10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's.
> > 
> > More than that.  My certificate number is PA-230...
> 
> Mine is NB-116, so they must go by state, NB being Nebraska. Assuming an 
> average of 150/state, that would be 7500 of us. Where the heck are they 
> hiding? You are the only other one I have met since I got mine in '72. 
> Something doesn't add up.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

Dunno,  maybe ask ISCET?  (Apologies to the rest of you guys for the OT...)

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ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
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-
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Re: medically smart watches

[Stefan Monnier]

>> Well, I was merely hoping that someone might finally have come up
>> with a working solution ...
> Stop smoking, lose weight, have a healthy diet and exercise.

And most importantly: be lucky!


Stefan

Re: medically smart watches

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:47 PM hw  wrote:
>
> Well, I was merely hoping that someone might finally have come up with
> a working solution ...

Stop smoking, lose weight, have a healthy diet and exercise.

Jeff

> On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 13:07 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote:
> > > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> > > a blood sample?
> >
> > Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be
> > able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels
> > that are near the surface. Neither method has yet proven to be
> > accurate, which is why they aren't certified as a medical device in
> > UK.
> >
> > You can learn all about it by searching "non-invasive blood glucose
> > monitoring"

Re: medically smart watches

[Loïc Grenié]

On Mon Feb 26th, 2024, at 15:49, Gene Heskett wrote:

> I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the neighbors
> wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can hear it, but
> this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe its duff, IDK.
>

 I seriously doubt the watch has a wifi radio. Even if it has, you
  cannot see it because it's a client, not a server (that's the way
  wifi works).


> But w/o a bt
> connection to the net, it can't even tell the time, its about a month
> out of whack.
>

Even if you can pair it to your computer, I seriously doubt you can
  do anything because you'd need a program that is able to tell it
  what time it is (and I do not even talk about asking it about
  glucose levels -- but that's probably not a problem, because
  if it were that easy to do reliably, you'd find a lot of big-brand
  products doing it, and they would get a certification).

 Loïc

Re: medically smart watches

[hw]

Well, I was merely hoping that someone might finally have come up with
a working solution ...


On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 13:07 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote:
> > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> > a blood sample?
> 
> Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be
> able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels
> that are near the surface. Neither method has yet proven to be
> accurate, which is why they aren't certified as a medical device in
> UK.
> 
> You can learn all about it by searching "non-invasive blood glucose
> monitoring"
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy
> 

Re: medically smart watches

[hw]

On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 09:48 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On 2/26/24 06:25, hw wrote:
> > On Sat, 2024-02-24 at 10:03 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > bluetooth, and It looks as if I have to buy a BT adaptor, so advise on
> > > that front would be most welcome also.
> > > [...]
> > 
> > If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
> > 5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
> > use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
> > phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
> > bluetooth.
> > 
> I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the neighbors 
> wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can hear it, but 
> this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe its duff, IDK.

Well, the IP phone is neat because you can pair a smartphone and use
it to call contacts on your smartphone and talk through it instead of
the smartphone.  Smartphones aren't even useful for making phone calls
because their sound quality is too bad for that, not to mention the
endless latency that makes every call impossible.  It's not surprising
that you can't really hear anything with the speaker(s) and
microphone(s) in smartphones being so tiny.

> >  [...]
> > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> > a blood sample?
> > 
> That is what the FDA is pushing. This shines a uv led, and claims to be 
> able to measure by the color of the blood going by.  But w/o a bt 
> connection to the net, it can't even tell the time, its about a month 
> out of whack.

Pushing?  It would sure be nice to have some sufficiently reliable
device for measuring blood sugar that doesn't require test strips and
doesn't need to be implanted or otherwise has to constantly remain
attached your body.  It's always a nightmare to get test strips, and
you never get enough of them.

Even if someone is trying to push the research and development, better
don't hold your breath.  Manufacturers are making way too much money
with the test strips to go for anything else unless they can make more
money with that than with the strips.

Re: medically smart watches

[hw]

On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 13:21 +0100, Hans wrote:
> [...]
> However, on my mobile a pairing password or number is not needed and for 
> pairing the special app is also not needed on the mobile.
> 
> This let me conclude, some other thing I must have missed.
> 
> For testing purposes I used kde in-built blue-tooth-manager and as well the 
> app "blueman" from Gnome. I had the feeling, blueman is working more stable 
> and smoother than the kde-built-in one.
> 
> If someone knows, how to pair these (maybe I have to take notice of some 
> things), I will take a further look.

Some devices can not be paired.  Bluetooth sucks badly; it may or may
not work and it's always been like that.

Last time I bought something with bluetooth, it couldn't be paired and
I got a discount.  I don't need, nor want its bluetooth functionality
at all, and it's better that it doesn't work because it may make it
more difficult for potential attackers, so I got an even better deal
than it already was.

Re: medically smart watches

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the
> neighbors wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can
> hear it, but this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe
> its duff, IDK.

Bluetooth is not WiFi.  Different protocols.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/26/24 07:21, Hans wrote:

Am Montag, 26. Februar 2024, 12:24:34 CET schrieb hw:

If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
bluetooth.



I suppose, you have the same BT-dongle as mine.

I own a cheap medical watch from China (KR80 same as Fair Boltt Smartwatch),
which obviously presents many watches, as most watches are suing the same App
on the mobile device regardless of the manufacturer.

You find many videos on youtube related to the Fair Boltt watch.

So I guess, they are all working same way.

Here I have a Lenovo T520 with built-in bluetooth adapter and a TP-Link USB
dongle.

I can confirm, the built-in adapter does NOT see the watch, however, the TP-
Link dongle does see it. Sadly I was not able to pair the watch, but I
believe, I do not know the correct pairing number (1234 and ) did not work
and on the watch is no option to set one.

However, on my mobile a pairing password or number is not needed and for
pairing the special app is also not needed on the mobile.

This let me conclude, some other thing I must have missed.

For testing purposes I used kde in-built blue-tooth-manager and as well the
app "blueman" from Gnome. I had the feeling, blueman is working more stable
and smoother than the kde-built-in one.

If someone knows, how to pair these (maybe I have to take notice of some
things), I will take a further look.

I hope, this helped a little bit more.

It does shine a bit of light on some of the problems to be aware of.

Thanks Hans. Take care & stay well.


Best

Hans


Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/26/24 06:25, hw wrote:

On Sat, 2024-02-24 at 10:03 -0500, gene heskett wrote:

[...]
bluetooth, and It looks as if I have to buy a BT adaptor, so advise on
that front would be most welcome also.
[...]


If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
bluetooth.

I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the neighbors 
wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can hear it, but 
this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe its duff, IDK.



However, a while ago I found that the xbox controller did have
connection issues in that the connection seemed to get interrupted, so
I went back to using an USB cable.  I'm pretty sure it's a software
problem because it worked fine at first.  I don't know if it's been
fixed since because my workstation only has 4 USB ports of which 3
are occupied and an USB cable extension is plugged into the 4th for
the xbox controller.

How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
a blood sample?

That is what the FDA is pushing. This shines a uv led, and claims to be 
able to measure by the color of the blood going by.  But w/o a bt 
connection to the net, it can't even tell the time, its about a month 
out of whack.


Thanks hw. Take care and stay well.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote:
> How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
> a blood sample?

Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be
able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels
that are near the surface. Neither method has yet proven to be
accurate, which is why they aren't certified as a medical device in
UK.

You can learn all about it by searching "non-invasive blood glucose
monitoring"

Thanks,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: medically smart watches

[Hans]

Am Montag, 26. Februar 2024, 12:24:34 CET schrieb hw:
> If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
> 5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
> use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
> phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
> bluetooth.
> 

I suppose, you have the same BT-dongle as mine.

I own a cheap medical watch from China (KR80 same as Fair Boltt Smartwatch), 
which obviously presents many watches, as most watches are suing the same App 
on the mobile device regardless of the manufacturer.

You find many videos on youtube related to the Fair Boltt watch.

So I guess, they are all working same way.

Here I have a Lenovo T520 with built-in bluetooth adapter and a TP-Link USB 
dongle.

I can confirm, the built-in adapter does NOT see the watch, however, the TP-
Link dongle does see it. Sadly I was not able to pair the watch, but I 
believe, I do not know the correct pairing number (1234 and ) did not work 
and on the watch is no option to set one.

However, on my mobile a pairing password or number is not needed and for 
pairing the special app is also not needed on the mobile.

This let me conclude, some other thing I must have missed.

For testing purposes I used kde in-built blue-tooth-manager and as well the 
app "blueman" from Gnome. I had the feeling, blueman is working more stable 
and smoother than the kde-built-in one.

If someone knows, how to pair these (maybe I have to take notice of some 
things), I will take a further look.

I hope, this helped a little bit more.

Best

Hans

Re: medically smart watches

[hw]

On Sat, 2024-02-24 at 10:03 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> [...]
> bluetooth, and It looks as if I have to buy a BT adaptor, so advise on 
> that front would be most welcome also.
> [...]

If you're locking for a bluetooth USB adapter: I have a 'Bluetooth
5.0' adapter from TP-Link which works with Fedora.  I've been able to
use it with a headset and an xbox controller.  A smartphone and an IP
phone also show up as devices, but I haven't tried to use them via
bluetooth.

However, a while ago I found that the xbox controller did have
connection issues in that the connection seemed to get interrupted, so
I went back to using an USB cable.  I'm pretty sure it's a software
problem because it worked fine at first.  I don't know if it's been
fixed since because my workstation only has 4 USB ports of which 3
are occupied and an USB cable extension is plugged into the 4th for
the xbox controller.

How does the watch you got measure blood sugar?  Doesn't that require
a blood sample?

Re: medically smart watches

[David Wright]

On Sun 25 Feb 2024 at 18:33:26 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 2/25/24 14:19, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 February 2024 05:16:21 am gene heskett wrote:
> > > I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states,
> > > 10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's.
> > 
> > More than that.  My certificate number is PA-230...
> 
> Mine is NB-116, so they must go by state, NB being Nebraska.

Oh, I thought you were going to say you'd taken the examinations
in New Brunswick.

> Something doesn't add up.

Cheers,
David.

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/25/24 14:19, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

On Sunday 25 February 2024 05:16:21 am gene heskett wrote:

I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states,
10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's.


More than that.  My certificate number is PA-230...


Mine is NB-116, so they must go by state, NB being Nebraska. Assuming an 
average of 150/state, that would be 7500 of us. Where the heck are they 
hiding? You are the only other one I have met since I got mine in '72. 
Something doesn't add up.


Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: /etc/apt/sources.list example [WAS Re: medically smart watches]

[gene heskett]

On 2/25/24 07:14, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:


I have to agree, and pursuing that seems to disclose I do not have the
non-frre in my configs. So I'm now asking for help to add it to my
/etc/apt/sources *.list stuff.




For apt sources.list - have a look at:

https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList


Thanks Andy.




Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[Roy J. Tellason, Sr.]

On Sunday 25 February 2024 05:16:21 am gene heskett wrote:
> I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states, 
> 10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's.

More than that.  My certificate number is PA-230...

-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

/etc/apt/sources.list example [WAS Re: medically smart watches]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 05:16:21AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> On 2/25/24 03:36, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 02:05:50PM -0500, Lee wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 12:06 PM gene heskett wrote:
> > > > On 2/24/24 11:03, Loïc Grenié wrote:
> > > > > On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Greetings all;

> > > 
> > > What I'd like to find is software that lets me get the data off the
> > > reader into my PC.
> > 
> > As I see it, is https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser now the best place
> > to go.
> > 
> I have to agree, and pursuing that seems to disclose I do not have the
> non-frre in my configs. So I'm now asking for help to add it to my
> /etc/apt/sources *.list stuff.
> > 

For apt sources.list - have a look at:

https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

> 

> > 
> > > Regards
> > > Lee
> > 
> > Groeten
> > Geert Stappers
> > 
> > About Original Poster:
> > I have never met Gene Heskett. When we will, I guess he will do 80%,
> > may be 90% of the talking, unlikely fifty-fifty. I think I will OK
> > with the non-balanced dialog, because I knew it from the begining.
> > Beside the difference in verboseness between Gene and me, there are lots
> > of common goals. For starters "Debian". Gene wrote in mailinglists posts
> > about his work as engineer, where he did serious trouble shooting.
> And yet. the one time the NAB had their annual broadcasters bash in D/FW I
> discovered I could be arrested in Texas for impersonating an Engineer
> because my business card said I was the CE at WDTV. but I was not a degree'd
> EE. That I'm not, I am a CET, a much more comprehensive final exam, we can
> teach the EE's things their prof's never touched, if the EE is willing to
> learn. Sadly, too many get the sheepskin and then turn off the learning
> because they already know it all. I don't generally waste a lot of time with
> them.
> 
> I've had EE's spend the night telling I'm wasting my time, it won't work.
> And are blown away, when I push the final button and it just works. I have
> no idea how many EE's there are here in the states, 10,000+ probably. There
> are only around 130 CET's.  Yet I have only an 8th grade diploma and a GED.
> Yet I know how simple things work, up to and including Einsteins theory's.
> as demonstrated by the time distortion a klystron amplifier does to a tv
> signal. I had to teach the FCC about that back in the '70's.
> 
> Computers are 1000 times more complex.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> 

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/25/24 03:36, Geert Stappers wrote:

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 02:05:50PM -0500, Lee wrote:

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 12:06 PM gene heskett wrote:

On 2/24/24 11:03, Loïc Grenié wrote:

On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:

 Greetings all;

 As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of
 trulicity, a
 weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose
 levels has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month back I
 bought
 one of the so called smart watches that purports to monitor blood sugar.


"purports" appears to be the correct verb
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do-not-use-smartwatches-or-smart-rings-measure-blood-glucose-levels-fda-safety-communication
 



I got a msg from our state AG warning me about these, but it was 2 days
after I had ordered this thing. Too little warning, too late, but I'm
the curios type, and this device looks good so I would like to see how
it compares with the antique finger prick model we've been using since
Hector's great grandfather was a puppy.. New tech sometimes work pretty
good while the FDA seems to try to protect old tech.


Give the FreeStyle Libre 14 day sensor a try - it's so much nicer than
poking holes in yourself whenever you want to know what your blood
sugar is.
There's a reader you have to buy or a current enough smart phone can
be used as a reader.

What I'd like to find is software that lets me get the data off the
reader into my PC.


That is what Original Poster also wants. ( More about OP below )
The so called smart watch has BlueTooth. This email thread, I think,
was started to get more information about using "BlueTooth" on Debian
systems. (OP should do better to express what the actual question is.)

As I see it, is https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser now the best place
to go.

I have to agree, and pursuing that seems to disclose I do not have the 
non-frre in my configs. So I'm now asking for help to add it to my 
/etc/apt/sources *.list stuff.



Abbott wants everything uploaded to their servers and I quit reading
the terms of service when it got to them giving out my data after
'anonymising' it.


I too would run like the wind to get away from that bit of zuckerburgish 
contamination.



I hear what you say.  I agree with you.

Most likely we are aware of the challenge.
(And we are facing already other challenges.)

  

Regards
Lee


  
Groeten

Geert Stappers

About Original Poster:
I have never met Gene Heskett. When we will, I guess he will do 80%,
may be 90% of the talking, unlikely fifty-fifty. I think I will OK
with the non-balanced dialog, because I knew it from the begining.
Beside the difference in verboseness between Gene and me, there are lots
of common goals. For starters "Debian". Gene wrote in mailinglists posts
about his work as engineer, where he did serious trouble shooting.
And yet. the one time the NAB had their annual broadcasters bash in D/FW 
I discovered I could be arrested in Texas for impersonating an Engineer 
because my business card said I was the CE at WDTV. but I was not a 
degree'd EE. That I'm not, I am a CET, a much more comprehensive final 
exam, we can teach the EE's things their prof's never touched, if the EE 
is willing to learn. Sadly, too many get the sheepskin and then turn off 
the learning because they already know it all. I don't generally waste a 
lot of time with them.


I've had EE's spend the night telling I'm wasting my time, it won't 
work. And are blown away, when I push the final button and it just 
works. I have no idea how many EE's there are here in the states, 
10,000+ probably. There are only around 130 CET's.  Yet I have only an 
8th grade diploma and a GED. Yet I know how simple things work, up to 
and including Einsteins theory's. as demonstrated by the time distortion 
a klystron amplifier does to a tv signal. I had to teach the FCC about 
that back in the '70's.


Computers are 1000 times more complex.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[Geert Stappers]

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 02:05:50PM -0500, Lee wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 12:06 PM gene heskett wrote:
> > On 2/24/24 11:03, Loïc Grenié wrote:
> > > On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of
> > > trulicity, a
> > > weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose
> > > levels has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month back I
> > > bought
> > > one of the so called smart watches that purports to monitor blood 
> > > sugar.
> > >
> > >
> > > "purports" appears to be the correct verb
> > > https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do-not-use-smartwatches-or-smart-rings-measure-blood-glucose-levels-fda-safety-communication
> > >  
> > > 
> > >
> > I got a msg from our state AG warning me about these, but it was 2 days
> > after I had ordered this thing. Too little warning, too late, but I'm
> > the curios type, and this device looks good so I would like to see how
> > it compares with the antique finger prick model we've been using since
> > Hector's great grandfather was a puppy.. New tech sometimes work pretty
> > good while the FDA seems to try to protect old tech.
> 
> Give the FreeStyle Libre 14 day sensor a try - it's so much nicer than
> poking holes in yourself whenever you want to know what your blood
> sugar is.
> There's a reader you have to buy or a current enough smart phone can
> be used as a reader.
> 
> What I'd like to find is software that lets me get the data off the
> reader into my PC.

That is what Original Poster also wants. ( More about OP below )
The so called smart watch has BlueTooth. This email thread, I think,
was started to get more information about using "BlueTooth" on Debian
systems. (OP should do better to express what the actual question is.)

As I see it, is https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser now the best place
to go.


> Abbott wants everything uploaded to their servers and I quit reading
> the terms of service when it got to them giving out my data after
> 'anonymising' it.

I hear what you say.  I agree with you.

Most likely we are aware of the challenge.
(And we are facing already other challenges.)

 
> Regards
> Lee

 
Groeten
Geert Stappers

About Original Poster:
I have never met Gene Heskett. When we will, I guess he will do 80%,
may be 90% of the talking, unlikely fifty-fifty. I think I will OK
with the non-balanced dialog, because I knew it from the begining.
Beside the difference in verboseness between Gene and me, there are lots
of common goals. For starters "Debian". Gene wrote in mailinglists posts
about his work as engineer, where he did serious trouble shooting.
-- 
Silence is hard to parse

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/24/24 12:36, gene heskett wrote:

On 2/24/24 12:23, John Hasler wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noninvasive_glucose_monitor

The consensus seems to be that hey are not yet ready for daily driver use.
But I'm that curios cat.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.


So I just installed the only driver that synaptic said was bt-5.3 with 
support for around 20 intel chips.  Then get one of the long range whole 
house models from amazon. Reports later.


Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[Mariusz Gronczewski]

Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 12:06:16
gene heskett  napisał(a):

> On 2/24/24 11:03, Loïc Grenié wrote:
> > On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 
> > Greetings all;
> > 
> > As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of
> > trulicity, a
> > weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood
> > guclose levels has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month
> > back I bought
> > one of the so called smart watches that purports to monitor
> > blood sugar.
> > 
> > 
> > "purports" appears to be the correct verb
> > https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do-not-use-smartwatches-or-smart-rings-measure-blood-glucose-levels-fda-safety-communication
> > 
> >  
> I got a msg from our state AG warning me about these, but it was 2
> days after I had ordered this thing. Too little warning, too late,
> but I'm the curios type, and this device looks good so I would like
> to see how it compares with the antique finger prick model we've been
> using since Hector's great grandfather was a puppy.. New tech
> sometimes work pretty good while the FDA seems to try to protect old
> tech.
> >     (as for the rest of the mail, I have no idea whatsoever).
> > 
> >    Loïc  
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

This steers vastly into offtopic but here is a video of someone testing
one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWadFt4vBtY

TL;DR both tested watches were so far off mark they are probably
dangerous.

-- 
Mariusz Gronczewski (XANi) 
GnuPG: 0xEA8ACE64
https://devrandom.eu

Re: medically smart watches

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:03:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of trulicity, a
> weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose levels
> has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month back I bought one of the
> so called smart watches that purports to monitor blood sugar.

I'm having some difficulty translating your words and acronyms but I
think I got the gist that you're type II diabetic and have bought a
watch for glucose monitoring?

I'm also a type II diabetic and am interested in glucose monitoring
but everything I have read about the watches says they are terribly
inaccurate for this. I can't even buy one here in UK because it
would be classed as a medical device, that cannot show it works for
its intended purpose; these things are therefore only available for
grey import.

So I wouldn't bother and I don't intend to help someone do such an
unwise thing even if I had the faintest idea how you would bypass
the phone pairing needs of some random IoT garbage.

As an aside, not even the 2 week sensors that impale your upper arm
and stay affixed are accurate for me, though I know they are for
most as they actually are approved. So it's daily finger prick for
me for the foreseeable.

Thanks,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: medically smart watches

[Lee]

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 12:06 PM gene heskett wrote:
>
> On 2/24/24 11:03, Loïc Grenié wrote:
> > On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of
> > trulicity, a
> > weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose
> > levels has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month back I
> > bought
> > one of the so called smart watches that purports to monitor blood sugar.
> >
> >
> > "purports" appears to be the correct verb
> > https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do-not-use-smartwatches-or-smart-rings-measure-blood-glucose-levels-fda-safety-communication
> >  
> > 
> >
> I got a msg from our state AG warning me about these, but it was 2 days
> after I had ordered this thing. Too little warning, too late, but I'm
> the curios type, and this device looks good so I would like to see how
> it compares with the antique finger prick model we've been using since
> Hector's great grandfather was a puppy.. New tech sometimes work pretty
> good while the FDA seems to try to protect old tech.

Give the FreeStyle Libre 14 day sensor a try - it's so much nicer than
poking holes in yourself whenever you want to know what your blood
sugar is.
There's a reader you have to buy or a current enough smart phone can
be used as a reader.

What I'd like to find is software that lets me get the data off the
reader into my PC.  Abbott wants everything uploaded to their servers
and I quit reading the terms of service when it got to them giving out
my data after 'anonymising' it.

Regards
Lee

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/24/24 12:23, John Hasler wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noninvasive_glucose_monitor

The consensus seems to be that hey are not yet ready for daily driver use.
But I'm that curios cat.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[John Hasler]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noninvasive_glucose_monitor
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/24/24 11:15, Stefan Monnier wrote:

So the question I'm getting to is: Do we have a utility that can be paired
with whatever wifi/bluetooth this thing uses and would allow it to work?


With a bit of luck it can be "paired" with your "2TB" SSDs?


 Stefan "sorry, couldn't resist"

.

That category seems to fit both of us. ;o)>

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[gene heskett]

On 2/24/24 11:03, Loïc Grenié wrote:

On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of
trulicity, a
weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose
levels has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month back I
bought
one of the so called smart watches that purports to monitor blood sugar.


"purports" appears to be the correct verb
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do-not-use-smartwatches-or-smart-rings-measure-blood-glucose-levels-fda-safety-communication
 


I got a msg from our state AG warning me about these, but it was 2 days 
after I had ordered this thing. Too little warning, too late, but I'm 
the curios type, and this device looks good so I would like to see how 
it compares with the antique finger prick model we've been using since 
Hector's great grandfather was a puppy.. New tech sometimes work pretty 
good while the FDA seems to try to protect old tech.

    (as for the rest of the mail, I have no idea whatsoever).

   Loïc


Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: medically smart watches

[Stefan Monnier]

> So the question I'm getting to is: Do we have a utility that can be paired
> with whatever wifi/bluetooth this thing uses and would allow it to work?

With a bit of luck it can be "paired" with your "2TB" SSDs?


Stefan "sorry, couldn't resist"

Re: medically smart watches

[Loïc Grenié]

On Sat Feb 24th, 2024, at 16:03, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of trulicity, a
> weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose
> levels has got us scrambling for alternatives.  So a month back I bought
> one of the so called smart watches that purports to monitor blood sugar.
>

"purports" appears to be the correct verb
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/do-not-use-smartwatches-or-smart-rings-measure-blood-glucose-levels-fda-safety-communication

   (as for the rest of the mail, I have no idea whatsoever).

  Loïc