RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Header Test
You were correct Andrew, I added an additional rule without the space and started hitting them the odd thing is that I copied and pasted that header line to my rule and when looking at it there is a space, weird. -- Rick From: Colbeck, Andrew [mailto:acolb...@bentallkennedy.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:42 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Header Test Rick, you have a space between the colon and the YES and, if I remember correctly, AOL does not put a space there. #Email from AOL which they believe is spam HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-SPAM-FLAG:YES On the other hand, there is a case-sensitive flavour that comes out of SpamAssassin, and AOL provides this format at their Postmaster FAQ page for mail that people send to AOL accounts: #Email from a SpamAssassin implementation that belives the outbound mail was spam HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-Spam-Flag: YES http://postmaster.aol.com/Postmaster.FAQ.php Andrew. From: Rick Davidson [mailto:rdavid...@nat.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Header Test Hello, I have a combo test for scrutinizing AOL and the large webmail providers, I am trying to trigger on an AOL X header with this HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-SPAM-FLAG: YES any idea why this wouldn't hit? -- Rick CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments contain confidential and/or privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail message or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail if you received this e-mail message by mistake and delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, delayed, incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender, therefore, does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this e-mail message or any attachments, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. -. .- - You have received this e-mail due to a past or current transaction or as a result of our efforts to keep you in touch with current developments affecting your industry. If you wish to unsubscribe from any future general information mailings, please click heremailto:rdavid...@nat.com?subject=UNSUBSCRIBEbcc=unsubscr...@nat.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. This message (and any associated files) may contain confidential, proprietary and/or privileged material and access to these materials by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Unauthorized recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of these materials by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original. Ce message et tout document qui y est éventuellement joint peuvent contenir de l’information confidentielle ou exclusive. L’accès à cette information par quiconque autre que le destinataire désigné en est donc interdit. Les personnes ou les entités non autorisées doivent respecter la confidentialité de cette information. La lecture, la retransmission, la communication ou toute autre utilisation de cette information par une personne ou une entité non autorisée est strictement interdite. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser immédiatement et le détruire. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. You have received this e-mail due to a past or current transaction or as a result of our efforts to keep you in touch with current developments affecting your industry. If you wish to unsubscribe from any future general information mailings, please click heremailto:rdavid...@nat.com?subject=UNSUBSCRIBEbcc=unsubscr...@nat.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL Header Test
Hello, I have a combo test for scrutinizing AOL and the large webmail providers, I am trying to trigger on an AOL X header with this HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-SPAM-FLAG: YES any idea why this wouldn't hit? -- Rick CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments contain confidential and/or privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail message or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail if you received this e-mail message by mistake and delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, delayed, incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender, therefore, does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this e-mail message or any attachments, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. -. .- - You have received this e-mail due to a past or current transaction or as a result of our efforts to keep you in touch with current developments affecting your industry. If you wish to unsubscribe from any future general information mailings, please click heremailto:rdavid...@nat.com?subject=UNSUBSCRIBEbcc=unsubscr...@nat.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Header Test
Rick, you have a space between the colon and the YES and, if I remember correctly, AOL does not put a space there. #Email from AOL which they believe is spam HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-SPAM-FLAG:YES On the other hand, there is a case-sensitive flavour that comes out of SpamAssassin, and AOL provides this format at their Postmaster FAQ page for mail that people send to AOL accounts: #Email from a SpamAssassin implementation that belives the outbound mail was spam HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-Spam-Flag: YES http://postmaster.aol.com/Postmaster.FAQ.php Andrew. From: Rick Davidson [mailto:rdavid...@nat.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Header Test Hello, I have a combo test for scrutinizing AOL and the large webmail providers, I am trying to trigger on an AOL X header with this HEADERS 0 CONTAINS X-SPAM-FLAG: YES any idea why this wouldn't hit? -- Rick CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments contain confidential and/or privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail message or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail if you received this e-mail message by mistake and delete this e-mail message and any attachments from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, delayed, incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender, therefore, does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this e-mail message or any attachments, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. -. .- - You have received this e-mail due to a past or current transaction or as a result of our efforts to keep you in touch with current developments affecting your industry. If you wish to unsubscribe from any future general information mailings, please click here mailto:rdavid...@nat.com?subject=UNSUBSCRIBEbcc=unsubscr...@nat.com . --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. This message (and any associated files) may contain confidential, proprietary and/or privileged material and access to these materials by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Unauthorized recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of these materials by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original. Ce message et tout document qui y est eventuellement joint peuvent contenir de l'information confidentielle ou exclusive. L'acces a cette information par quiconque autre que le destinataire designe en est donc interdit. Les personnes ou les entites non autorisees doivent respecter la confidentialite de cette information. La lecture, la retransmission, la communication ou toute autre utilisation de cette information par une personne ou une entite non autorisee est strictement interdite. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser immediatement et le detruire. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL - AIM Spam
I see that there is quite a bit of spam coming though .mx.aol.com servers but I also noticed that they tag the messages as spam in the headers X-Spam-Flag: YES As a suggestion if you are receiving messages from .mx.aol.com or @aim.com addresses that are spam use the following line in a Declude filter. HEADERS 20 PCRE (X-Spam-Flag: YES) David Barker VP Operations Declude Your Email security is our business 978.499.2933 office 978.988.1311 fax mailto:dbar...@declude.com dbar...@declude.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL - AIM Spam
HEADERS 20 PCRE (X-Spam-Flag: YES) A problem with doing this as a single (non-combo) filter is that you are using a trusting a common x-header regardless of source and/or documentation. This allows for pretty easy poisoning of a weighted system. If anybody should be, y'know, malicious out there --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: sa...@cypressintegrated.com SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL Block Trouble
Looks like AOL has blocked us. We're getting aduse reports from AOL SCOMP, but the attached email example has no information in it. This is all it contains. =20 =3D=20 = Headers are evidently blank. no info at all. Can I set up a filter that would catch all mail to aol so I can COPYTO an account I can monitor? Bill Green dfn Systems 505-622-7853 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Sorry this is so late. We've used stunnel for a while now, it also was simple to setup and seems flawless in operation. JS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 6:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I searched the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. Didn't someone post a link to a small software app that would run on the mail server and would forward all traffic from port 587 to port 25. We are not on the current Imail version so we can't use it's built in feature. Thanks in advance, Don - Original Message - From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
I searched the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. Didn't someone post a link to a small software app that would run on the mail server and would forward all traffic from port 587 to port 25. We are not on the current Imail version so we can't use it's built in feature. Thanks in advance, Don - Original Message - From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
There are several of those... gdatapipe is one. If you google the archives for gdatapipe you should fine the others. I would argue that firewall-based solutions are better, though. Darin. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I searched the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. Didn't someone post a link to a small software app that would run on the mail server and would forward all traffic from port 587 to port 25. We are not on the current Imail version so we can't use it's built in feature. Thanks in advance, Don - Original Message - From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Here is one application I've used, but not recently. http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/pmapper.htm I just tested it with portmapping ftp in passive mode and it worked perfectly. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I searched the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. Didn't someone post a link to a small software app that would run on the mail server and would forward all traffic from port 587 to port 25. We are not on the current Imail version so we can't use it's built in feature. Thanks in advance, Don - Original Message - From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
google rinetd -- we set it up in about 5 minutes, and it has worked flawlessly (meaning, I didn't have to mess with it) since. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Here is one application I've used, but not recently. http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/pmapper.htm I just tested it with portmapping ftp in passive mode and it worked perfectly. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I searched the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. Didn't someone post a link to a small software app that would run on the mail server and would forward all traffic from port 587 to port 25. We are not on the current Imail version so we can't use it's built in feature. Thanks in advance, Don - Original Message - From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Also look at GDataPipe www.gwacc.com/software.htm It has been running on the Imail box for 6 months now and it has works flawlessly as well. Cheap too. Ty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fox, Thomas Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:29 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 google rinetd -- we set it up in about 5 minutes, and it has worked flawlessly (meaning, I didn't have to mess with it) since. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Here is one application I've used, but not recently. http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/pmapper.htm I just tested it with portmapping ftp in passive mode and it worked perfectly. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I searched the archives but couldn't find what I was looking for. Didn't someone post a link to a small software app that would run on the mail server and would forward all traffic from port 587 to port 25. We are not on the current Imail version so we can't use it's built in feature. Thanks in advance, Don - Original Message - From: Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
You mean like this? static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 This maps an outside address of 10.0.0.10 on port 587 to an inside address of 10.1.1.10 on port 25. Note that the outside address comes first in the syntax of this command. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
What are the issues of doing this. On older versions of PIX this would cause issues with the standard translation to the inside address. So we never used it, and received a complicated workarround from cisco. What version did this become stable? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:28 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 You mean like this? static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 This maps an outside address of 10.0.0.10 on port 587 to an inside address of 10.1.1.10 on port 25. Note that the outside address comes first in the syntax of this command. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
I don't know about earlier versions, but I do know it works fine in 6.x versions. I've used it for years. The only issue I know of is you can't map two at the same time. For example, you can't have static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 and static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 smtp 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 defined at the same time. Instead, set up a different IP outside IP on one of the mappings. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 What are the issues of doing this. On older versions of PIX this would cause issues with the standard translation to the inside address. So we never used it, and received a complicated workarround from cisco. What version did this become stable? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:28 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 You mean like this? static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 This maps an outside address of 10.0.0.10 on port 587 to an inside address of 10.1.1.10 on port 25. Note that the outside address comes first in the syntax of this command. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
OK that was the issue can not do more that one maping, and we do not have enough IP addresses to support the double ip addresses to also use port 25. So this is not like a linksys where multiple tranlations can be done on the same ip. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:54 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I don't know about earlier versions, but I do know it works fine in 6.x versions. I've used it for years. The only issue I know of is you can't map two at the same time. For example, you can't have static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 and static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 smtp 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 defined at the same time. Instead, set up a different IP outside IP on one of the mappings. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 What are the issues of doing this. On older versions of PIX this would cause issues with the standard translation to the inside address. So we never used it, and received a complicated workarround from cisco. What version did this become stable? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:28 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 You mean like this? static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 This maps an outside address of 10.0.0.10 on port 587 to an inside address of 10.1.1.10 on port 25. Note that the outside address comes first in the syntax of this command. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Yeah, that's probably it. It only does one to one mappings on a port by port basis, and can't do many to one. Not a problem as long as the ports on both ends are distinct, but mapping two different external ports to a single internal has to be done with different IPs. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 OK that was the issue can not do more that one maping, and we do not have enough IP addresses to support the double ip addresses to also use port 25. So this is not like a linksys where multiple tranlations can be done on the same ip. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:54 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 I don't know about earlier versions, but I do know it works fine in 6.x versions. I've used it for years. The only issue I know of is you can't map two at the same time. For example, you can't have static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 and static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 smtp 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 defined at the same time. Instead, set up a different IP outside IP on one of the mappings. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 What are the issues of doing this. On older versions of PIX this would cause issues with the standard translation to the inside address. So we never used it, and received a complicated workarround from cisco. What version did this become stable? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:28 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 You mean like this? static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 This maps an outside address of 10.0.0.10 on port 587 to an inside address of 10.1.1.10 on port 25. Note that the outside address comes first in the syntax of this command. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Thank you! -d - Original Message - From: Darin Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 You mean like this? static (inside,outside) tcp 10.0.0.10 587 10.1.1.10 smtp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 This maps an outside address of 10.0.0.10 on port 587 to an inside address of 10.1.1.10 on port 25. Note that the outside address comes first in the syntax of this command. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 PIX does not easily do port forwarding. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25
Setup Windows IIS SMTP service to listen on port XX (something other than 25). Both can run and won't conflict. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Anybody out there know the Cisco PIX CLI syntax to do port forwarding on the firewall? I'm running Imail 8.15 and I'm stuck with port 25... -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 If you are on imail 8.2x you can setup the alternate port. Search for the thread on the how to. No additional software is needed to do port forwarding. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:39 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 As a web hosting company, we put an SMTP server listening on a different TCP port. We instruct users to modify their SMTP settings in their mail client to use this port. The server listens on this port but relays on 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:20 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Now blocking Port 25 Has anyone else been told AOL is now enfosing this policy and how do we get around it. a.. 554 IPT:OA http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554iptoa.html EXPLANATION: The message you received is generated from AOL when sending mail through a third party program and connecting through the default port 25. America Online Inc. will no longer accept outgoing connections on port 25 through third party mail programs. SOLUTION: If you are trying to access your America Online e-mail please visit Keyword: Open Mail Access Send third party e-mail through port 587. This port requires you to authenticate and may require a change to your email client settings. Note, the server you are connecting to must support this configuration. If you are trying to get your AOL e-mail visit Keyword Open Mail Access, all others contact your server administrator for further support on this configuration. For more information visit the port 25 FAQ. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL header tags
Hello - I am seeing these tags in AOL bounces - X-AOL-IP: 213.226.82.229 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:169167590:15837691 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 Does anyone know what they represent? The first I believe is the original sender ip; since these are coming to me mainly as a result of joejobs I'm looking for a way to penalize these type bounces - Thanks -Nick --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL will publish SPF 2.0 - will Declude check?
Hi Larry: http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2004/0,4814,96022,00.html Quite opposite - the critical part is on the BOTTOM of AOL's statement - that's what's important for Declude and for all of us: AOL isn't completely backing out of Sender ID. It won't check Sender ID records on mail coming in, but it will publish Sender ID records for outbound mail (... AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham said in a statement sent via e-mail yesterday) Let me say it again - if AOL, Hotmail and MSN are all going to publish Sender ID records (e.g., the SPF2.0 syntax), then we must get Declude to understand the SPF 2.0 syntax so that we don't lose the ability to check those domains for impersonations! Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
SpamCop blocked the ActiveServerPages list at 15seconds.com (which is not a source of spam): List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml? The problem with SpamCop is, it's only as reliable as it's users. It would appear that some of it's users are not very reliable. We could all report spam cop to spam cop and they'd probably block themselves ;) But we do use them in moderation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL implementing SPF
Check this out http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5145065.html -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
But what happens when it's not listed in SpamCop and some zombie sends out spam through it? It fixes one problem, but creates another. I currently see more spam coming from ISP mail servers than I see false positives, but of course that's just my setup. Having SpamCop FP on such a mail server though causes me great pause. Matt Andy Schmidt wrote: Hi, Well, I simply use SPF PASS to assign a negative weight. Since AOL implemented SPF, that automatically reduces any SpamCop effect to a tolerable level, e.g., The following email had a weight of -13. Even if it was listed by SPAMCOP it would have been less than 0. X-Declude: Triggered AHBLEXEMPT, SPFPASS [-13] Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36] by hm-software.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AF6F1966002E; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id 5.10.3a7e0015 (30960) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:52 EST Subject: (no subject) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=-1073946471 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5100 X-Declude: Version 1.77i8; D1f6f1966002e6052.SMD from imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36] X-Declude: Triggered AHBLEXEMPT, SPFPASS [-13] X-Countries: UNITED STATES-destination Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Declude-Date: 01/12/2004 22:27:52 [0] X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: U X-UIDL: 353600159 Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
Hi, If it's a zombie that's not listed anywhere, yet - then it may not matter much, if the weight is -3 or 0. Also, the zombie will only benefit from SPF, if they take the time and are able to figure out which domain's SPF TXT record happens to cover that particular zombie IP. Just using any old domain name with an IP will not get credit, because SPF will not match. Best Regards Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP But what happens when it's not listed in SpamCop and some zombie sends out spam through it? It fixes one problem, but creates another. I currently see more spam coming from ISP mail servers than I see false positives, but of course that's just my setup. Having SpamCop FP on such a mail server though causes me great pause. Matt Andy Schmidt wrote: Hi, Well, I simply use SPF PASS to assign a negative weight. Since AOL implemented SPF, that automatically reduces any SpamCop effect to a tolerable level, e.g., The following email had a weight of -13. Even if it was listed by SPAMCOP it would have been less than 0. X-Declude: Triggered AHBLEXEMPT, SPFPASS [-13] Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36] by hm-software.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AF6F1966002E; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id 5.10.3a7e0015 (30960) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:52 EST Subject: (no subject) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=-1073946471 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5100 X-Declude: Version 1.77i8; D1f6f1966002e6052.SMD from imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36] X-Declude: Triggered AHBLEXEMPT, SPFPASS [-13] X-Countries: UNITED STATES-destination Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Declude-Date: 01/12/2004 22:27:52 [0] X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: U X-UIDL: 353600159 Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
Andy Schmidt wrote: Also, the "zombie" will only benefit from SPF, if they take the time and are able to figure out which domain's SPF TXT record happens to cover that particular zombie IP. Just using any old domain name with an IP will not get credit, because SPF will not match. That's actually what I've been seeing, though not in very high numbers presently. The only reason why we aren't seeing more of this is because most spam is still getting delivered and they have yet felt compelled to improve on their methods, however it is starting. Another issue is that when spammers manage to get AOL's servers listed in tier 1 RBL's, they weaken the entire system. I suspect that they know that relaying through an ISP's mail server can get them blacklisted, and therefore the spam would have two purposes. Right now 3 of AOL's servers on that same block are still blacklisted in SpamCop, and every one that is listed have been "witnessed sending spam less than 10 times." SpamCop has a very serious and obvious problem, and I think it might be the result of a bug or something because clearly this wasn't always the case. Imperfect as they may be, SpamCop could fix this problem and greatly improve on their present reliability. I'm not trying to knock SPF in this discussion, I just don't see it as a real fix, especially for something this obvious. You don't blacklist an AOL server after receiving less than 10 pieces of spam. Matt -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
Title: Message SpamCop has a very serious and obvious problem, and I think it might be the result of a bug or something because clearly this wasn't always the case. Imperfect as they may be, SpamCop could fix this problem and greatly improve on their present reliability. Sorry for stating the obvious... Have you considered reporting a suspected bug to SpamCop - that may yield better results. I don't believe Julian monitors this list.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
How? I'm not a SpamCop member nor am I aware of any method to alert them to such problems. Also, IronPort took over SpamCop, and although Julian is still involved, it's possible that someone else is calling the shots??? Maybe IronPort broke this accidentally? If someone wants to send me an address that definitely gets read, I'll gladly do my community service and alert them to the problem. If this is limited to members only, maybe a member could forward a link to one or several of the posts in this thread. I'd be surprised though if they aren't aware of such a big issue though, but you never know. Thanks, Matt Andy Schmidt wrote: Message SpamCop has a very serious and obvious problem, and I think it might be the result of a bug or something because clearly this wasn't always the case. Imperfect as they may be, SpamCop could fix this problem and greatly improve on their present reliability. Sorry for stating the obvious... Have you considered reporting a suspected bug to SpamCop - that may yield better results. I don't believe Julian monitors this list. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
Title: Message Matt, Option 1: http://www.spamcop.net/forum.shtml which provides a web page to the various forums and how to get to them (web/nntp) and also a one-shot web forum post form for those not interested in joining a forum. If you're going to participate, read the common sense guide to netiquette here: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/227.html Option 2: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/167.html which provides information about reporting and responding to false positives and includes a contact address. Andrew 8) -Original Message-From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:27 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOPHow? I'm not a SpamCop member nor am I aware of any method to alert them to such problems. Also, IronPort took over SpamCop, and although Julian is still involved, it's possible that someone else is calling the shots??? Maybe IronPort broke this accidentally?If someone wants to send me an address that definitely gets read, I'll gladly do my community service and alert them to the problem. If this is limited to members only, maybe a member could forward a link to one or several of the posts in this thread.I'd be surprised though if they aren't aware of such a big issue though, but you never know.Thanks,MattAndy Schmidt wrote: SpamCop has a very serious and obvious problem, and I think it might be the result of a bug or something because clearly this wasn't always the case. Imperfect as they may be, SpamCop could fix this problem and greatly improve on their present reliability. Sorry for stating the obvious... Have you considered reporting a suspected bug to SpamCop - that may yield better results. I don't believe Julian monitors this list.-- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP
Done. Matt Colbeck, Andrew wrote: Message Matt, Option 1: http://www.spamcop.net/forum.shtml which provides a web page to the various forums and how to get to them (web/nntp) and also a one-shot web forum post form for those not interested in joining a forum. If you're going to participate, read the common sense guide to netiquette here: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/227.html Option 2: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/167.html which provides information about reporting and responding to false positives and includes a contact address. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP How? I'm not a SpamCop member nor am I aware of any method to alert them to such problems. Also, IronPort took over SpamCop, and although Julian is still involved, it's possible that someone else is calling the shots??? Maybe IronPort broke this accidentally? If someone wants to send me an address that definitely gets read, I'll gladly do my community service and alert them to the problem. If this is limited to members only, maybe a member could forward a link to one or several of the posts in this thread. I'd be surprised though if they aren't aware of such a big issue though, but you never know. Thanks, Matt Andy Schmidt wrote: SpamCop has a very serious and obvious problem, and I think it might be the result of a bug or something because clearly this wasn't always the case. Imperfect as they may be, SpamCop could fix this problem and greatly improve on their present reliability. Sorry for stating the obvious... Have you considered reporting a suspected bug to SpamCop - that may yield better results. I don't believe Julian monitors this list. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
I always thought the significant drivers on the IETF were reps of the major players. Burzin Isn't the IETF supposed to be this body? _M At 09:14 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: I would agree with this type of governing body. One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean. pessimistic rant But it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy. And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice. This would probably mean that AOL, Earthlink, RR, Hotmail, etc would be on the governing council and it would be interpreted to their greatest competitive advantage and nothing would have changed! /pessimistic rant Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hosting Support Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS This is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change. The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules. This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards. In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makes the little guys look bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users. Darin. - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Todd Holt To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that AOL **MAY** not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.htmlhttp://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html * AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. * AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. * AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) * AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.hm-software.com/http://www.HM-Software.com/ -- Burzin Sumariwalla Phone: (314) 994-9411 x291 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (314) 997-7615 Pager: (314) 407-3345 Networking and Telecommunications Manager Information Technology Services St. Louis County Library District 1640 S. Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63131 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Probably, but if so, they're not doing their job. We need an organization that is less ivory tower and more proactive in enforcing standards and best practices. Darin. - Original Message - From: Pete McNeil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Isn't the IETF supposed to be this body?_MAt 09:14 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: I would agree with this type of governing body. One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean. pessimistic rantBut it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy. And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice. This would probably mean that AOL, Earthlink, RR, Hotmail, etc would be on the governing council and it would be interpreted to their greatest competitive advantage and nothing would have changed!/pessimistic rantTodd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hosting SupportSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNSThis is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change. The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules. This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards.In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makes the little guys look bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users.Darin.- Original Message - From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PMSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNSI know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered?MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies.The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!!Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings.Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNSHi,I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch.They used to say that "AOL **MAY**" not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed:http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message This is a common perception... and one that I share to some extent. None the less, it's not an easy problem. The network runs on consensus - and that is nearly impossible to build and enforce. Ultimately, we hope, what works will win out and become recognized as a standard. That is more likely than any body creating a "standard" and then "enforcing" it into place. Some, with the power and money to do so, are capable of pushing their "standards" onto the 'net... and that is both good and bad. I guess my point is this: Picking somebody other than IETF to do this would most likely change the name but produce the same result. Giving any strong enforcement power to any such body would be disastrous because that power would quickly be abused either directly or through compromise. Imagine, for example, if VeriSign were in charge (chaching!) of how everything worked on the Internet! (I know from personal experience that they would love that... they may even feel entitled to it from some of the conversations I've overheard.) It's not an easy problem. Theanswer resides in real solutions - not in enforcement. You can't pry a good working solution from the cold dead hands of a good systems admin - or even most mediocre ones, but you can be pretty sure that almost every systems admin (good, bad, and ugly) will avoid using a bad solution no matter what enforcement might be at work - if they have any alternative at all. The Internet is an interesting training ground for real life problems we've yet to deal with on this planet. It only works when it really works... network effects create tremendous leverage...but opportunities tocompromise the system for local motiveswill be exploited if they can be - even if that means killing off the whole thing. (sad but we treat each other this way too more often than not...) Broader vision and altruism are often missing from the decision making process - so any single point of authority with significant power finds itself corrupted and manipulated - if not from the inside then from the outside. Often we forget that we're all connected. Often when folks say that the solution is in some strong central authority that can enforce a proper standard, they are really saying "everything would be fine if everyone would just do what I say." These folks fail to consider what it would be like if they got their wish, but the "authority" decided to do things that they couldn't live with. Be careful what you wish for - you might get it. The Internet is a great model for this kind of problem - a problem that we face every day without recognizing it. Humans have not yet discovered how to work and solve these problems (at least not en-mass)- but perhapsthey will now that we can face them from a different perspective. It's easy to forget we all breath the same air, but not so easy to forget when your email isn't working ;-) The IETF, like any body attempting to do that job, is mostly stuck battling a never ending storm of conflicting self interest on the part of the participants. When we (all) figure out how to solve those problems more efficiently then good standards will emerge and consensus will be easier to develop. In the mean time, it's a race to develop good working solutions and hope they catch on before too much damage is done - for all I know this method might even be the model solution in the end... It seems to work in nature - competing diversity, with successful paradigms sweeping away the old... broad communication and collaboration offering advantage to those who participate... it makes me think... Sorry for all the philosophy... _M PS: A Beautiful Mind was a great movie (IMO). There was a great moment wheresomecomplex realities of economics were crystallized and made transparent - I love when that happens.Let's not all "go for the blonde". -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hosting SupportSent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:51 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Probably, but if so, they're not doing their job. We need an organization that is less ivory tower and more proactive in enforcing standards and best practices. Darin. - Original Message - From: Pete McNeil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Isn't the IETF supposed to be this body?_MAt 09:14 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: I would agree with this type of governing body. One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean. pessimistic rantBut it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy. And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice. This would probably mean tha
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. This is true. So what's the whining all about? 1. AOL publishes a policy that they don't adhere to. 2. The policy changes regularly. 3. If we have a problem sending mail to them, they are unreachable. 4. They are pointing fingers at us little guys as the problem. How many spam have you received from an AOL account? I can only speak for myself, but none of those apply to me. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Exactly, Chuck. AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. So what's the whining all about? I've been desperately waiting for years for some of the big players to enforce standards (e.g., reverse DNS) and prudent practices (e.g., no open relays, mail servers on dynamic IPs have to relay through their providers). I applaud AOL and hope Yahoo and Hotmail follow suit soon. Then I can move the Reverse DNS failures and the Open Relay and DUL RBLs from a carefully chosen weight to straight DELETE - and simply adopt industry standards. If someone complains, I no longer have to defend to business managers, why my servers are the only ones bouncing some moron's email - because that point won't be made anymore. Even better, it will force wanna-be mail-admin's to either learn their trade or to get someone do to it right. Not every tinkerer who runs Windows NT/2000/XP workstation on their DSL or Cable modem at home needs to run personal web services and turn on SMTP (ideally in open relay mode) - if they do, they can do it for their own entertainment. But unless they do it correctly (e.g., define a smart host), their mails won't be delivered to the outside world. Nothing wrong with that. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I will disagree. I do not believe there is any comparison between MS EULA and AOL mail policies. I do not see AOL's actions as the ...internet-nazi-police tactics... as you claim. I do not see where AOL is gaining any competitive advantage, they are simply trying to protect their network and client base the same as many of us. I have picked up many AOL customers for Internet access because they could no longer stand the spam in their AOL mail accounts. I actually applaud AOL doing this - it will force many people to get a reverse DNS entry and maybe they will fix their DNS record along the way. If I block people because of Reverse DNS, the blocked entity will simply criticize our policies. If AOL blocks them they will fix their rdns. If more mail servers had the MX records and reverse DNS entries, I could tighten up my filtering because I would have less worries about blocking legitimate mail from badly configured mail servers. I guess I do not see the problem - it is not much different than when most ISPs started blocking Port 25 for access. Or implemented SMTP Authentication. Just me 2 cents on the subject. Chuck Schick -- Original Message -- From: Todd Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:32:57 -0800 I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you can't use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you can't deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. It's obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message Hi Pete, I do agree with you on all of the problems you present in regards to a governing body that can enforce it's will. However, I think we're already there to some degree with the fact that companies like AOL can enforce policies locally that impact others and force them to adapt to their wishesexcept that it's N companies instead of a singlestandards board This is not a much differentfrom the "be careful what you wish for" scenario you mentioned, just more chaotic. You're certainly right on target on the "If everyone would just do it like I do it" point. However, I think we all realize compromises will be necessary when working together, and I strongly believe that these problems will not be solved without cooperation. I think my main point is still key: I'd much rather be forced into compliance by a standards body that has agreed on a course of action and notifies me of necessary changes ahead of time than by N companies that all make changes without notifying me, forcing me to scramble to address the howling concerns of my customers. Yes, it is possible that the standards might be expensive enough to implement to drive some small companies out of business, but that's not much different from the attrition we can see from customers moving to large companies in order to ensure their email gets delivered to other customers of said company. So, yes, you're right. There will be problems, and it's not a perfect solution, but I think if the IETF or some other body can gain enough power to enforce standardsthat are the consensus of the majority (probably best based on customer base) it's the best chance we have. Darin. - Original Message - From: Pete McNeil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS This is a common perception... and one that I share to some extent. None the less, it's not an easy problem. The network runs on consensus - and that is nearly impossible to build and enforce. Ultimately, we hope, what works will win out and become recognized as a standard. That is more likely than any body creating a "standard" and then "enforcing" it into place. Some, with the power and money to do so, are capable of pushing their "standards" onto the 'net... and that is both good and bad. I guess my point is this: Picking somebody other than IETF to do this would most likely change the name but produce the same result. Giving any strong enforcement power to any such body would be disastrous because that power would quickly be abused either directly or through compromise. Imagine, for example, if VeriSign were in charge (chaching!) of how everything worked on the Internet! (I know from personal experience that they would love that... they may even feel entitled to it from some of the conversations I've overheard.) It's not an easy problem. Theanswer resides in real solutions - not in enforcement. You can't pry a good working solution from the cold dead hands of a good systems admin - or even most mediocre ones, but you can be pretty sure that almost every systems admin (good, bad, and ugly) will avoid using a bad solution no matter what enforcement might be at work - if they have any alternative at all. The Internet is an interesting training ground for real life problems we've yet to deal with on this planet. It only works when it really works... network effects create tremendous leverage...but opportunities tocompromise the system for local motiveswill be exploited if they can be - even if that means killing off the whole thing. (sad but we treat each other this way too more often than not...) Broader vision and altruism are often missing from the decision making process - so any single point of authority with significant power finds itself corrupted and manipulated - if not from the inside then from the outside. Often we forget that we're all connected. Often when folks say that the solution is in some strong central authority that can enforce a proper standard, they are really saying "everything would be fine if everyone would just do what I say." These folks fail to consider what it would be like if they got their wish, but the "authority" decided to do things that they couldn't live with. Be careful what you wish for - you might get it. The Internet is a great model for this kind of problem - a problem that we face every day without recognizing it. Humans have not yet discovered how to work and solve these problems (at least not en-mass)- but perhapsthey will now that we can face them from a different perspective. It's easy to forget we all breath the same air, but not so easy to forget when your email isn't working ;-) The IETF, like any body attempting to do that job, is mostly stuck battling a never ending storm of conflicting self interest on the
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Good point, they should be more accessible. That would be my biggest complaint with most black-lists. As far as policies - as long as their policy is simply to follow RFCs (or universally agreed recommendations, e.g. no open relays/proxies), I don't see any obligation on their end to try to put everyone on notice. The RFCs were notice enough for years. SPAM from AOL accounts - hm, I have to admit that I only see an (automatically selected) cross-section of spam messages with header (which are routed to SPAMCOP for analysis) - but I can't remember seeing AOL as an implicated party often (if ever). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Holt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. This is true. So what's the whining all about? 1. AOL publishes a policy that they don't adhere to. 2. The policy changes regularly. 3. If we have a problem sending mail to them, they are unreachable. 4. They are pointing fingers at us little guys as the problem. How many spam have you received from an AOL account? I can only speak for myself, but none of those apply to me. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Exactly, Chuck. AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. So what's the whining all about? I've been desperately waiting for years for some of the big players to enforce standards (e.g., reverse DNS) and prudent practices (e.g., no open relays, mail servers on dynamic IPs have to relay through their providers). I applaud AOL and hope Yahoo and Hotmail follow suit soon. Then I can move the Reverse DNS failures and the Open Relay and DUL RBLs from a carefully chosen weight to straight DELETE - and simply adopt industry standards. If someone complains, I no longer have to defend to business managers, why my servers are the only ones bouncing some moron's email - because that point won't be made anymore. Even better, it will force wanna-be mail-admin's to either learn their trade or to get someone do to it right. Not every tinkerer who runs Windows NT/2000/XP workstation on their DSL or Cable modem at home needs to run personal web services and turn on SMTP (ideally in open relay mode) - if they do, they can do it for their own entertainment. But unless they do it correctly (e.g., define a smart host), their mails won't be delivered to the outside world. Nothing wrong with that. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I will disagree. I do not believe there is any comparison between MS EULA and AOL mail policies. I do not see AOL's actions as the ...internet-nazi-police tactics... as you claim. I do not see where AOL is gaining any competitive advantage, they are simply trying to protect their network and client base the same as many of us. I have picked up many AOL customers for Internet access because they could no longer stand the spam in their AOL mail accounts. I actually applaud AOL doing this - it will force many people to get a reverse DNS entry and maybe they will fix their DNS record along the way. If I block people because of Reverse DNS, the blocked entity will simply criticize our policies. If AOL blocks them they will fix their rdns. If more mail servers had the MX records and reverse DNS entries, I could tighten up my filtering because I would have less worries about blocking legitimate mail from badly configured mail servers. I guess I do not see the problem - it is not much different than when most ISPs started blocking Port 25 for access. Or implemented SMTP Authentication. Just me 2 cents on the subject. Chuck Schick -- Original Message -- From: Todd Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:32:57 -0800 I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those same people get upset
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Darin wrote: I think if the IETF or some other body can gain enough power to enforce standards that are the consensus of the majority (probably best based on customer base) it's the best chance we have. The IETF or other independent body will not be able to enforce any standards, they can make recommendations. And it is up to the internet community to implement the standards and enforce the standards. The standards are enforced wny people do not bend the rules for server or DNS that is not in complience. For example I notify all admins and users that their mail is being held due to DNS configuration errors. When admins do not notify other admins there is an issue with their configuration that is where the system breaks down. So I applaud the big boys for finally enforcing the current standards by blocking invalid reverse dns settings. Here is AOL's definition of a inproperly configured RDNS entry. -- snip from postmaster.aol.com -- Reverse DNS must be in the form of a fully-qualified domain name reverse DNSes containing in-addr.arpa are not acceptable, as these are merely placeholders for a valid PTR record. Reverse DNSes consisting only of IP addresses are also not acceptable, as they do not correctly establish the relationship between domain and IP address. -- end snip -- They are enforcing the standards already out there. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hosting Support Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi Pete, I do agree with you on all of the problems you present in regards to a governing body that can enforce it's will. However, I think we're already there to some degree with the fact that companies like AOL can enforce policies locally that impact others and force them to adapt to their wishesexcept that it's N companies instead of a single standards board This is not a much different from the be careful what you wish for scenario you mentioned, just more chaotic. You're certainly right on target on the If everyone would just do it like I do it point. However, I think we all realize compromises will be necessary when working together, and I strongly believe that these problems will not be solved without cooperation. I think my main point is still key: I'd much rather be forced into compliance by a standards body that has agreed on a course of action and notifies me of necessary changes ahead of time than by N companies that all make changes without notifying me, forcing me to scramble to address the howling concerns of my customers. Yes, it is possible that the standards might be expensive enough to implement to drive some small companies out of business, but that's not much different from the attrition we can see from customers moving to large companies in order to ensure their email gets delivered to other customers of said company. So, yes, you're right. There will be problems, and it's not a perfect solution, but I think if the IETF or some other body can gain enough power to enforce standards that are the consensus of the majority (probably best based on customer base) it's the best chance we have. Darin. - Original Message - From: Pete McNeil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS This is a common perception... and one that I share to some extent. None the less, it's not an easy problem. The network runs on consensus - and that is nearly impossible to build and enforce. Ultimately, we hope, what works will win out and become recognized as a standard. That is more likely than any body creating a standard and then enforcing it into place. Some, with the power and money to do so, are capable of pushing their standards onto the 'net... and that is both good and bad. I guess my point is this: Picking somebody other than IETF to do this would most likely change the name but produce the same result. Giving any strong enforcement power to any such body would be disastrous because that power would quickly be abused either directly or through compromise. Imagine, for example, if VeriSign were in charge (chaching!) of how everything worked on the Internet! (I know from personal experience that they would love that... they may even feel entitled to it from some of the conversations I've overheard.) It's not an easy problem. The answer resides in real solutions - not in enforcement. You can't pry a good working solution from the cold dead hands of a good systems admin - or even most mediocre ones, but you can be pretty sure that almost every systems admin (good, bad, and ugly) will avoid using a bad solution no matter what enforcement might be at work - if they have any alternative at all. The Internet is an interesting training ground for real life problems we've yet to deal with on this planet. It only works when it really works
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Hi Kevin, I'm not against AOL for doing this, as you would see from following the thread. What I intended to convey is that we need a lot more standards and enforcement of them (e.g. blacklists, dial up lists, port 25 blocking for dynamic addresses, etc.), as well as the all-important notification of new standards to be implemented/enforced. Perhaps an initial standard could be that all mail admins subscribe to a given notification list for policy changes, standards announcements, enforcement, etc. Again, I don't have a problem with what AOL did, I just think changes should be conveyed ahead of time when standards are enforced so the community can prepare. Could AOL be reasonably expected to notify all mail admins around the world that they were changing their procedures? No, of course not. And their HELO did respond with a meaningful, though from our experience inaccurate, announcement. That's why I point to the need for a central body to maintain the standards and NOTIFY subscribed mail admins. In our case, we did have RDNS in place, but from some reason AOL refused us since it didn't match the mail server name. Once we got that changed all was well. If we had had a lot of virtual email domains, as opposed to dedicated IPs for mail services, that would have been much more of a pain that it was. My $0.02 has multiplied...sorry to those who are tired of this topic. Darin. - Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Darin wrote: I think if the IETF or some other body can gain enough power to enforce standards that are the consensus of the majority (probably best based on customer base) it's the best chance we have. The IETF or other independent body will not be able to enforce any standards, they can make recommendations. And it is up to the internet community to implement the standards and enforce the standards. The standards are enforced wny people do not bend the rules for server or DNS that is not in complience. For example I notify all admins and users that their mail is being held due to DNS configuration errors. When admins do not notify other admins there is an issue with their configuration that is where the system breaks down. So I applaud the big boys for finally enforcing the current standards by blocking invalid reverse dns settings. Here is AOL's definition of a inproperly configured RDNS entry. -- snip from postmaster.aol.com -- Reverse DNS must be in the form of a fully-qualified domain name - reverse DNSes containing in-addr.arpa are not acceptable, as these are merely placeholders for a valid PTR record. Reverse DNSes consisting only of IP addresses are also not acceptable, as they do not correctly establish the relationship between domain and IP address. -- end snip -- They are enforcing the standards already out there. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hosting Support Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi Pete, I do agree with you on all of the problems you present in regards to a governing body that can enforce it's will. However, I think we're already there to some degree with the fact that companies like AOL can enforce policies locally that impact others and force them to adapt to their wishesexcept that it's N companies instead of a single standards board This is not a much different from the be careful what you wish for scenario you mentioned, just more chaotic. You're certainly right on target on the If everyone would just do it like I do it point. However, I think we all realize compromises will be necessary when working together, and I strongly believe that these problems will not be solved without cooperation. I think my main point is still key: I'd much rather be forced into compliance by a standards body that has agreed on a course of action and notifies me of necessary changes ahead of time than by N companies that all make changes without notifying me, forcing me to scramble to address the howling concerns of my customers. Yes, it is possible that the standards might be expensive enough to implement to drive some small companies out of business, but that's not much different from the attrition we can see from customers moving to large companies in order to ensure their email gets delivered to other customers of said company. So, yes, you're right. There will be problems, and it's not a perfect solution, but I think if the IETF or some other body can gain enough power to enforce standards that are the consensus of the majority (probably best based on customer base) it's the best chance we have. Darin. - Original Message - From: Pete McNeil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
SPAM from AOL accounts - hm, I have to admit that I only see an (automatically selected) cross-section of spam messages with header (which are routed to SPAMCOP for analysis) - but I can't remember seeing AOL as an implicated party often (if ever). I am interpreting this statement as you don't think AOL users are a source of spam. Here is a small sample of addresses in our kill.lst that have been added because they send spam: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If AOL is so interested in stopping spam, they should start with their own users! I think that they only want to stop inbound spam because that doesn't come from paying customers. Outbound spam, on the other hand, shouldn't be touched (in AOLs terms) because you wouldn't want to make a paying customer mad, would you? Well I scan all emails, both directions. It's a violation of our TOS to send spam and I want to stop it. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Good point, they should be more accessible. That would be my biggest complaint with most black-lists. As far as policies - as long as their policy is simply to follow RFCs (or universally agreed recommendations, e.g. no open relays/proxies), I don't see any obligation on their end to try to put everyone on notice. The RFCs were notice enough for years. SPAM from AOL accounts - hm, I have to admit that I only see an (automatically selected) cross-section of spam messages with header (which are routed to SPAMCOP for analysis) - but I can't remember seeing AOL as an implicated party often (if ever). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Holt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. This is true. So what's the whining all about? 1. AOL publishes a policy that they don't adhere to. 2. The policy changes regularly. 3. If we have a problem sending mail to them, they are unreachable. 4. They are pointing fingers at us little guys as the problem. How many spam have you received from an AOL account? I can only speak for myself, but none of those apply to me. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Exactly, Chuck. AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. So what's the whining all about? I've been desperately waiting for years for some of the big players to enforce standards (e.g., reverse DNS) and prudent practices (e.g., no open relays, mail servers on dynamic IPs have to relay through their providers). I applaud AOL and hope Yahoo and Hotmail follow suit soon. Then I can move the Reverse DNS failures and the Open Relay and DUL RBLs from a carefully chosen weight to straight DELETE - and simply adopt industry standards. If someone complains, I no longer have to defend to business managers, why my servers are the only ones bouncing some moron's email - because that point won't be made anymore. Even better, it will force wanna-be mail-admin's to either learn their trade or to get someone do to it right. Not every tinkerer who runs Windows NT/2000/XP workstation on their DSL or Cable modem at home needs to run personal web services and turn on SMTP (ideally in open relay mode) - if they do, they can do it for their own entertainment. But unless they do it correctly (e.g., define a smart host), their mails won't be delivered to the outside world. Nothing wrong with that. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I will disagree. I do not believe there is any comparison between MS EULA and AOL mail policies. I do not see AOL's actions as the ...internet-nazi-police
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Todd: Oh I often see email that has a mail from of [EMAIL PROTECTED] - which means nothing. In most cases, these are bogus addresses. I can generate tons of spam that appears to come from YOUR email address - even though you are not a spammer. What counts is, whether the mail was actually sent from AOL's mail servers. When I trace the TRUE source of the email, it usually is never truly from AOL. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Holt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 07:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS SPAM from AOL accounts - hm, I have to admit that I only see an (automatically selected) cross-section of spam messages with header (which are routed to SPAMCOP for analysis) - but I can't remember seeing AOL as an implicated party often (if ever). I am interpreting this statement as you don't think AOL users are a source of spam. Here is a small sample of addresses in our kill.lst that have been added because they send spam: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If AOL is so interested in stopping spam, they should start with their own users! I think that they only want to stop inbound spam because that doesn't come from paying customers. Outbound spam, on the other hand, shouldn't be touched (in AOLs terms) because you wouldn't want to make a paying customer mad, would you? Well I scan all emails, both directions. It's a violation of our TOS to send spam and I want to stop it. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Good point, they should be more accessible. That would be my biggest complaint with most black-lists. As far as policies - as long as their policy is simply to follow RFCs (or universally agreed recommendations, e.g. no open relays/proxies), I don't see any obligation on their end to try to put everyone on notice. The RFCs were notice enough for years. SPAM from AOL accounts - hm, I have to admit that I only see an (automatically selected) cross-section of spam messages with header (which are routed to SPAMCOP for analysis) - but I can't remember seeing AOL as an implicated party often (if ever). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Holt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. This is true. So what's the whining all about? 1. AOL publishes a policy that they don't adhere to. 2. The policy changes regularly. 3. If we have a problem sending mail to them, they are unreachable. 4. They are pointing fingers at us little guys as the problem. How many spam have you received from an AOL account? I can only speak for myself, but none of those apply to me. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Exactly, Chuck. AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. So what's the whining all about? I've been desperately waiting for years for some of the big players to enforce standards (e.g., reverse DNS) and prudent practices (e.g., no open relays, mail servers on dynamic IPs have to relay through their providers). I applaud AOL and hope Yahoo and Hotmail follow suit soon. Then I can move the Reverse DNS failures and the Open Relay and DUL RBLs from a carefully chosen weight to straight DELETE - and simply adopt industry standards. If someone complains, I no longer have to defend to business managers, why my servers are the only ones bouncing some moron's email - because that point won't be made anymore. Even better, it will force wanna-be mail-admin's to either learn their trade or to get someone do to it right. Not every tinkerer who runs Windows NT/2000/XP workstation on their DSL or Cable modem at home needs to run personal web services and turn on SMTP (ideally in open
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that "AOL **MAY**" not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that AOL **MAY** not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax: +1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message This is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change. The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules. This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards. In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makesthe little guyslook bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users. Darin. - Original Message - From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that "AOL **MAY**" not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message OK I have to reply to this one. Nice comparrison. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Todd HoltSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that "AOL **MAY**" not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message I would agree with this type of governing body. One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean. pessimistic rant But it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy. And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice. This would probably mean that AOL, Earthlink, RR, Hotmail, etc would be on the governing counciland it would be interpreted to their greatest competitive advantageand nothing would have changed! /pessimistic rant Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hosting Support Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS This is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change. The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules. This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards. In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makesthe little guyslook bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users. Darin. - Original Message - From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that AOL **MAY** not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax: +1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Title: Message Totally agree. I know we'll always be at their mercy, but at least we would have some warning then...grin Darin. - Original Message - From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I would agree with this type of governing body. One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean. pessimistic rant But it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy. And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice. This would probably mean that AOL, Earthlink, RR, Hotmail, etc would be on the governing council and it would be interpreted to their greatest competitive advantage and nothing would have changed! /pessimistic rant Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hosting SupportSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS This is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change. The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules. This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards. In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makesthe little guyslook bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users. Darin. - Original Message - From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that "AOL **MAY**" not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Isn't the IETF supposed to be this body? _M At 09:14 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: I would agree with this type of governing body. One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean. pessimistic rant But it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy. And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice. This would probably mean that AOL, Earthlink, RR, Hotmail, etc would be on the governing council and it would be interpreted to their greatest competitive advantage and nothing would have changed! /pessimistic rant Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hosting Support Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS This is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change. The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules. This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards. In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makes the little guys look bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users. Darin. - Original Message - From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why dont those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you cant use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you cant deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. Its obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that AOL **MAY** not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax: +1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Todd, I suspect no one has an issue with what AOL is doing is because we are so close to the situation (i.e. we are all trying to block spam). Darrell Todd Holt writes: I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you can't use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you can't deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. It's obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that AOL **MAY** not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html * AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. * AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. * AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) * AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ Check Out DLAnalyzer a comprehensive reporting tool for Declude Junkmail Logs - http://www.dlanalyzer.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
I will disagree. I do not believe there is any comparison between MS EULA and AOL mail policies. I do not see AOL's actions as the ...internet-nazi-police tactics... as you claim. I do not see where AOL is gaining any competitive advantage, they are simply trying to protect their network and client base the same as many of us. I have picked up many AOL customers for Internet access because they could no longer stand the spam in their AOL mail accounts. I actually applaud AOL doing this - it will force many people to get a reverse DNS entry and maybe they will fix their DNS record along the way. If I block people because of Reverse DNS, the blocked entity will simply criticize our policies. If AOL blocks them they will fix their rdns. If more mail servers had the MX records and reverse DNS entries, I could tighten up my filtering because I would have less worries about blocking legitimate mail from badly configured mail servers. I guess I do not see the problem - it is not much different than when most ISPs started blocking Port 25 for access. Or implemented SMTP Authentication. Just me 2 cents on the subject. Chuck Schick -- Original Message -- From: Todd Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:32:57 -0800 I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you can't use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you can't deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. It's obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
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. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f Contains it where, in the body? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Not much comfort to those admins that are being blocked by AOL when their servers are setup correctly. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLAnalyzer Support Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Todd, I suspect no one has an issue with what AOL is doing is because we are so close to the situation (i.e. we are all trying to block spam). Darrell Todd Holt writes: I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you can't use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you can't deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. It's obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Hi, I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch. They used to say that AOL **MAY** not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html * AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. * AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. * AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) * AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record). Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ Check Out DLAnalyzer a comprehensive reporting tool for Declude Junkmail Logs - http://www.dlanalyzer.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS
Exactly, Chuck. AOL is implementing the very same checks that we are using in Declude. So what's the whining all about? I've been desperately waiting for years for some of the big players to enforce standards (e.g., reverse DNS) and prudent practices (e.g., no open relays, mail servers on dynamic IPs have to relay through their providers). I applaud AOL and hope Yahoo and Hotmail follow suit soon. Then I can move the Reverse DNS failures and the Open Relay and DUL RBLs from a carefully chosen weight to straight DELETE - and simply adopt industry standards. If someone complains, I no longer have to defend to business managers, why my servers are the only ones bouncing some moron's email - because that point won't be made anymore. Even better, it will force wanna-be mail-admin's to either learn their trade or to get someone do to it right. Not every tinkerer who runs Windows NT/2000/XP workstation on their DSL or Cable modem at home needs to run personal web services and turn on SMTP (ideally in open relay mode) - if they do, they can do it for their own entertainment. But unless they do it correctly (e.g., define a smart host), their mails won't be delivered to the outside world. Nothing wrong with that. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Schick Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS I will disagree. I do not believe there is any comparison between MS EULA and AOL mail policies. I do not see AOL's actions as the ...internet-nazi-police tactics... as you claim. I do not see where AOL is gaining any competitive advantage, they are simply trying to protect their network and client base the same as many of us. I have picked up many AOL customers for Internet access because they could no longer stand the spam in their AOL mail accounts. I actually applaud AOL doing this - it will force many people to get a reverse DNS entry and maybe they will fix their DNS record along the way. If I block people because of Reverse DNS, the blocked entity will simply criticize our policies. If AOL blocks them they will fix their rdns. If more mail servers had the MX records and reverse DNS entries, I could tighten up my filtering because I would have less worries about blocking legitimate mail from badly configured mail servers. I guess I do not see the problem - it is not much different than when most ISPs started blocking Port 25 for access. Or implemented SMTP Authentication. Just me 2 cents on the subject. Chuck Schick -- Original Message -- From: Todd Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:32:57 -0800 I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but. If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don't those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered? MS just says that you can't use certain apps on their OS. AOL says that you can't deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it bad through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say monopolistic policies. The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block. I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL. How short sided!!! Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users. On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors. It's obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy. And the MS bashers just fall in line. Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL Slow ?
Hiya All - We're seeing outbound e-mail to AOL.com happening very, very slowly. Our outbound server (64.4.213.165 / 64.4.213.169) appears to be configured correctly (no problems last week, and no changes since then). Anybody else seeing AOL delays today? = Rob www.iGive.com Turn your holiday shopping into cash for your favorite cause. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL - EARTHLINK
I'm still seeing mail bounced back for the above domains. It's not consistent but I do see this message in my SMTP logs. 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220-America Online (AOL) and its affiliated companies do not 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- authorize the use of its proprietary computers and computer 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- networks to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited bulk 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- e-mail sent from the internet. Effective immediately: AOL 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- may no longer accept connections from IP addresses which 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220 have no reverse-DNS (PTR record) assigned. I did a reverse DNS check from DNSSTUFF.com with success. Terry --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL - EARTHLINK
I'm still seeing mail bounced back for the above domains. It's not consistent but I do see this message in my SMTP logs. 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220-America Online (AOL) and its affiliated companies do not 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- authorize the use of its proprietary computers and computer 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- networks to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited bulk 11:06 12:35 SMTP-(1E00) 220- e-mail sent from the internet That message is a standard message that they send to everyone who tries sending mail to AOL. I did a reverse DNS check from DNSSTUFF.com with success. What do the further log file entries show? Are there any errors in the further log file entries? It may be that they are accepting the E-mail, but then later deleting it (AOL is known to do this). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask about our free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Bill is correct. DISABLE fixup to ENABLE ESMTP and SMTP Auth. From the PIX manual: fixup protocol smtp [port[-port]] The fixup protocol smtp command enables the Mail Guard feature. This restricts mail servers to receiving the seven minimal commands defined in RFC 821, section 4.5.1 (HELO, MAIL, RCPT, DATA, RSET, NOOP, and QUIT). All other commands are rejected. Microsoft Exchange server does not strictly comply with RFC 821 section 4.5.1, using extended SMTP commands such as EHLO. PIX Firewall will convert any such commands into NOOP commands, which as specified by the RFC, forces SMTP servers to fall back to using minimal SMTP commands only. This may cause Microsoft Outlook clients and Exchange servers to function unpredictably when their connection passes through PIX Firewall. Use the port option to change the default port assignments from 25. Use the -port option to apply SMTP application inspection to a range of port numbers. As of Version 5.1 and higher, the fixup protocol smtp command changes the characters in the server SMTP banner to asterisks except for the 2, 0, 0 characters. Carriage return (CR) and linefeed (LF) characters are ignored. PIX Firewall Version 4.4 converts all characters in the SMTP banner to asterisks. Regards, Dan Horne, CCNA Systems Administrator TAIS Web Wilcox World Travel Tours [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL I afraid you have got it backwards. The fixup protocol disables ESMTP, which would include SMTP Auth, because fixup or permits SMTP attributes, but none of the extended atributes. Disabling the fixup protocol allow for ESMTP to pass through the PIX, including SMTP Auth. Bill - Original Message - From: Rick Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Correct. It will disable SMTP AUTH as well The fixup was added to IOS to allow ESMTP its quite a pickle Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Inc www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 ext: 222 - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? If enabling the fixup protocol breaks RFC-compliance and doesn't do all that it is supposed to, and disabling it disables SMTP AUTH, those firewalls need to be thrown out. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL
I know I saw a bunch of strings last week regarding AOL so I hate to ask again but here it goes. I have users who were able to send to AOL accounts until recently. What needs to be done on either my end or the AOL end to send mail to them? Thanks for any insight to this. Samantha --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
I have noticed that AOL frequently rejects connect attempts so it requires multiple retries to get mail to AOL users. Set you retries to a higher number and see if that helps like it did for us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bridges, Samantha Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:54 AM To: Junkmail 'Declude. (E-mail) Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL I know I saw a bunch of strings last week regarding AOL so I hate to ask again but here it goes. I have users who were able to send to AOL accounts until recently. What needs to be done on either my end or the AOL end to send mail to them? Thanks for any insight to this. Samantha --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Samantha, You could start with this: WARNING: One or more of your mailservers claims to be a host other than what it really is (the SMTP greeting should be a 3-digit code, followed by a space or a dash, then the host name). This probably won't cause any harm, but is a technical violation of RFC821 4.3. macombisd.org claims to be host http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=macombisd.org+ David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bridges, Samantha Sent: Thursday, 26 June, 2003 16:54 To: Junkmail 'Declude. (E-mail) Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL I know I saw a bunch of strings last week regarding AOL so I hate to ask again but here it goes. I have users who were able to send to AOL accounts until recently. What needs to be done on either my end or the AOL end to send mail to them? Thanks for any insight to this. Samantha --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
I'm getting that indication when I run the DNS report from dnsreport.com. I'm running Imail 8.0 does anybody know how to fix this? Terry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Samantha, You could start with this: WARNING: One or more of your mailservers claims to be a host other than what it really is (the SMTP greeting should be a 3-digit code, followed by a space or a dash, then the host name). This probably won't cause any harm, but is a technical violation of RFC821 4.3. macombisd.org claims to be host http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=macombisd.org+ David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bridges, Samantha Sent: Thursday, 26 June, 2003 16:54 To: Junkmail 'Declude. (E-mail) Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL I know I saw a bunch of strings last week regarding AOL so I hate to ask again but here it goes. I have users who were able to send to AOL accounts until recently. What needs to be done on either my end or the AOL end to send mail to them? Thanks for any insight to this. Samantha --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by SURFSIDE INTERNET] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by SURFSIDE INTERNET] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
macombisd.org claims to be host I'm getting that indication when I run the DNS report from dnsreport.com. I'm running Imail 8.0 does anybody know how to fix this? It's actually not an IMail issue -- it's a firewall issue. You've got a broken firewall that is preventing your mailserver from being RFC-compliant (a lot of Ciscos seem to do this). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
I run an Exchange 5.5 server that IMail forward to. The Exchange server allows you to put in a Reply Address. My Exchange server is macombisd.org and the IMail server is misd.net. Sorry for the confusion. Samantha -Original Message- From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL macombisd.org claims to be host I'm getting that indication when I run the DNS report from dnsreport.com. I'm running Imail 8.0 does anybody know how to fix this? It's actually not an IMail issue -- it's a firewall issue. You've got a broken firewall that is preventing your mailserver from being RFC-compliant (a lot of Ciscos seem to do this). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Yah.. Something is wack with your mail server... telnet exmail.macombisd.org 25 Trying 64.88.82.249... Connected to exmail.macombisd.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 2* From: David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:31:14 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Samantha, You could start with this: WARNING: One or more of your mailservers claims to be a host other than what it really is (the SMTP greeting should be a 3-digit code, followed by a space or a dash, then the host name). This probably won't cause any harm, but is a technical violation of RFC821 4.3. macombisd.org claims to be host http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=macombisd.org+ David --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Yah.. Something is wack with your mail server... telnet exmail.macombisd.org 25 Trying 64.88.82.249... Connected to exmail.macombisd.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 ** ** 2* You need to turn off SMTP fixup protocol on your Cisco PIX firewall. ~Patrick --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude/McAfee] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
According to you guys its not the mail server it is the Firewallright? What needs to be changed on the Firewall and why is the current setup so bad? Thanks Samantha -Original Message- From: Patrick Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Yah.. Something is wack with your mail server... telnet exmail.macombisd.org 25 Trying 64.88.82.249... Connected to exmail.macombisd.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 ** ** 2* You need to turn off SMTP fixup protocol on your Cisco PIX firewall. ~Patrick --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude/McAfee] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
According to you guys its not the mail server it is the Firewallright? Correct. What needs to be changed on the Firewall I believe someone said it is the SMTP Fixup Protocol that needs to be turned off. and why is the current setup so bad? Two reasons: [1] It makes your server non-RFC-compliant [2] The security feature is broken (specifically, it is leaking information it was designed to hide) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Inc www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 ext: 222 - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL According to you guys its not the mail server it is the Firewallright? Correct. What needs to be changed on the Firewall I believe someone said it is the SMTP Fixup Protocol that needs to be turned off. and why is the current setup so bad? Two reasons: [1] It makes your server non-RFC-compliant [2] The security feature is broken (specifically, it is leaking information it was designed to hide) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Isn't that backwards? Firewall with Fixup - ESMTP will not work, and mail defaults to ordinary SMTP transaction Firewall without Fixup -- ESMTP works fine Jason - Original Message - From: Rick Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Inc www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 ext: 222 - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL According to you guys its not the mail server it is the Firewallright? Correct. What needs to be changed on the Firewall I believe someone said it is the SMTP Fixup Protocol that needs to be turned off. and why is the current setup so bad? Two reasons: [1] It makes your server non-RFC-compliant [2] The security feature is broken (specifically, it is leaking information it was designed to hide) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? If enabling the fixup protocol breaks RFC-compliance and doesn't do all that it is supposed to, and disabling it disables SMTP AUTH, those firewalls need to be thrown out. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? Nah, PIXes are fine with no smtp fixup. -Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
If it is a CISCO pix you need to add the line no fixup protocol smtp 25 I just looked in our PIX and this is the exact line. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Newland Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Isn't that backwards? Firewall with Fixup - ESMTP will not work, and mail defaults to ordinary SMTP transaction Firewall without Fixup -- ESMTP works fine Jason - Original Message - From: Rick Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Inc www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 ext: 222 - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL According to you guys its not the mail server it is the Firewallright? Correct. What needs to be changed on the Firewall I believe someone said it is the SMTP Fixup Protocol that needs to be turned off. and why is the current setup so bad? Two reasons: [1] It makes your server non-RFC-compliant [2] The security feature is broken (specifically, it is leaking information it was designed to hide) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Yes ,exactly Remove the smtp fixup and everything works fine Better , remove the PIX firewall from your system , and add a real firewall , You will have much less problems. Rifat - Original Message - From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? Nah, PIXes are fine with no smtp fixup. -Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
We run a PIX with no Issues. Like any thing else if it is configured properly it will run great. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rifat Levis Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Yes ,exactly Remove the smtp fixup and everything works fine Better , remove the PIX firewall from your system , and add a real firewall , You will have much less problems. Rifat - Original Message - From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? Nah, PIXes are fine with no smtp fixup. -Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
Correct. It will disable SMTP AUTH as well The fixup was added to IOS to allow ESMTP its quite a pickle Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Inc www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 ext: 222 - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? If enabling the fixup protocol breaks RFC-compliance and doesn't do all that it is supposed to, and disabling it disables SMTP AUTH, those firewalls need to be thrown out. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL
I afraid you have got it backwards. The fixup protocol disables ESMTP, which would include SMTP Auth, because fixup or permits SMTP attributes, but none of the extended atributes. Disabling the fixup protocol allow for ESMTP to pass through the PIX, including SMTP Auth. Bill - Original Message - From: Rick Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Correct. It will disable SMTP AUTH as well The fixup was added to IOS to allow ESMTP its quite a pickle Rick Davidson Buckeye Internet Inc www.buckeyeweb.com 440-953-1900 ext: 222 - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Disabling the SMTP Fixup Protocol at the firewall disables ESMTP and allows only SMTP Anyone using Imail peering will not be able to disable ESMTP Does that mean that Cisco firewalls can't be set up not to interfere with SMTP transactions? If enabling the fixup protocol breaks RFC-compliance and doesn't do all that it is supposed to, and disabling it disables SMTP AUTH, those firewalls need to be thrown out. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL Connection dropped
Hi, I was wondering if anyone else out there is seeing an issue with aol? It seems that we have not been able to connect toAOLall day. However, AOL has been connecting to us and sending us mail. Here are some snippets of our log files: 06:06 14:35 SMTP-(0558) Trying aol.com (0) 06:06 14:35 SMTP-(0558) Connect aol.com [64.12.136.217:25] (1) 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) SMTP_DELIV_FAILED 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) QUIT It seems like that we are making a connection then with no reason they drop it. Is anyone else having problems? Keith ZwickCribellum, L.L.C.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Connection dropped
Please see the lengthy thread on the Imail forum on this subject. John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You www.eservicesforyou.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of keith - cribellum Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Connection dropped Hi, I was wondering if anyone else out there is seeing an issue with aol? It seems that we have not been able to connect to AOL all day. However, AOL has been connecting to us and sending us mail. Here are some snippets of our log files: 06:06 14:35 SMTP-(0558) Trying aol.com (0) 06:06 14:35 SMTP-(0558) Connect aol.com [64.12.136.217:25] (1) 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) SMTP_DELIV_FAILED 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) QUIT It seems like that we are making a connection then with no reason they drop it. Is anyone else having problems? Keith Zwick Cribellum, L.L.C.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Connection dropped
Keith, We have seen these errors from time to time with AOL. It usually has to do with the MX server timeout for AOL. They have a longer timeout configured than Imail timeout for SMTP. IMail - SMTP Timeout does not conform to RFC 2821 Product: Version: Platform: IMail 7+ NT,Win2000,XP _ Question/Problem: Is there any way to change the SMTP timeout? Answer/Solution: IMail's default timeout is 2 minutes (120 seconds). To change this, run regedit. Go to: HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\SMTPD32\Parameters Create a new DWORD value named RECVTimeout and set the timeout in seconds. The RFCs suggest a timeout of 300 seconds. Stop and restart the SMTP service. If you are running version 8, you should also stop and restart the Queue Manager service. Document #: Revision Date: IM-20020919-DM01 05/13/03 Todd Smith Teksolvers, LLC 1077 Glenharbor Circle Winter Garden, FL 34787 Phone 407-877-8450 Fax 407-877-8451 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of keith - cribellum Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL Connection dropped Hi, I was wondering if anyone else out there is seeing an issue with aol? It seems that we have not been able to connect to AOL all day. However, AOL has been connecting to us and sending us mail. Here are some snippets of our log files: 06:06 14:35 SMTP-(0558) Trying aol.com (0) 06:06 14:35 SMTP-(0558) Connect aol.com [64.12.136.217:25] (1) 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) SMTP_DELIV_FAILED 06:06 14:36 SMTP-(0558) QUIT It seems like that we are making a connection then with no reason they drop it. Is anyone else having problems? Keith Zwick Cribellum, L.L.C.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
I did an NSLOOKUP on our servers this morning and mail.aol.com and mail.cs.com are coming up Non-existant Domains mail.compuserve.com resolves. So does that point to them or is it an issue with our DNS servers? Strange That sounds like a problem with your DNS servers (even if they did have DNS problems, your DNS server should only cache a 'does not exist' answer for aol.com for about 10 minutes). I would recommend restarting the DNS server. AOL has apparently had some major mail problems this week, so it may not necessarily be something on your end (they could have 1 DNS server that is returning 'does not exist' answers, for example). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
I did an NSLOOKUP on our servers this morning and mail.aol.com and mail.cs.com are coming up Non-existant Domains mail.compuserve.com resolves. Shows errors here: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=mail.aol.com Try aol.com and cs.com: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=aol.com http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=cs.com John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
FYI - I am investigating a problem in which messages to a local account, forwarded to AOL are not received - the thinking is that they are blocked as spam since they have a FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but come from a non-hotmail server. Everything else straight to AOL seems to be working. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
I am investigating a problem in which messages to a local account, forwarded to AOL are not received - the thinking is that they are blocked as spam since they have a FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but come from a non-hotmail server. Everything else straight to AOL seems to be working. I haven't heard of AOL blocking outgoing E-mail, but it certainly is possible. Have you checked your IMail SMTP log files to see if there were any connection attempts for that E-mail? Have you tried entering the To: address in the Mail Test box at http://www.DNSreport.com to see if it reports any problems? -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
To clarify, the email comes to a local account, which is forwarded to an E-mail address @aol.com . I see in the logs where AOL has accepted the message but the customer says it never gets to the AOL inbox. I will try to contact AOL and see what they say. I am investigating a problem in which messages to a local account, forwarded to AOL are not received - the thinking is that they are blocked as spam since they have a FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but come from a non-hotmail server. Everything else straight to AOL seems to be working. I haven't heard of AOL blocking outgoing E-mail, but it certainly is possible. Have you checked your IMail SMTP log files to see if there were any connection attempts for that E-mail? Have you tried entering the To: address in the Mail Test box at http://www.DNSreport.com to see if it reports any problems? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
To clarify, the email comes to a local account, which is forwarded to an E-mail address @aol.com . I see in the logs where AOL has accepted the message but the customer says it never gets to the AOL inbox. I will try to contact AOL and see what they say. Ah, I see. I'm guessing that AOL must see something about the forwarded message (perhaps extra Received: headers) and uses that as part of its secret calculation for determining when to silently drop E-mail. If AOL does say anything about this, I would be very interested to know what they say, as I believe they do not acknowledge the secret spam filtering (as opposed to the standard spam filtering, where they will bounce the E-mails). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
If AOL does say anything about this, I would be very interested to know what they say, as I believe they do not acknowledge the secret spam filtering (as opposed to the standard spam filtering, where they will bounce the E-mails). We had a similar issue where AOL black-holed one particular mail server IP on us. Relaying through a different server on the same netblock worked fine, so they were clearly blocking that specific IP for some unknown reason. I contacted them repeatedly regarding the issue and a couple weeks later they simply said it was fixed. No explanation why they blocked the IP or any other details to go on. - Mike Griffin Handy Networks, LLC --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
If AOL does say anything about this, I would be very interested to know what they say, as I believe they do not acknowledge the secret spam filtering (as opposed to the standard spam filtering, where they will bounce the E-mails). Please, with the amount of junk I get in my AOHell mailbox, and the amount of junk I get FROM AOHell through our server, they don't do a very good job of Spam control. But I'd be interested to know myself if AOL says anything. Keep us posted. Paul --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL fwding
Please, with the amount of junk I get in my AOHell mailbox, and the amount of junk I get FROM AOHell through our server, they don't do a very good job of Spam control. Sending and receiving are 2 different actions. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
Has anyone been having trouble with sending to AOL? I have a lot of users calling because messages to AOL.COM or CS.COM keep getting returned after 3 attempts. It has just started in the last few days. We aren't on AOL's blacklist. I posted this on the Imail list but so far nothing has helped. I seem to get an answer I understand better here usually anyway. Dustin --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
This is being discussed on the CF-Talk list as well. Started up yesterday, I believe. Someone on that list got hold of an AOL admin (as if there really are any) and posted this: | I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries | for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again --- Matt Robertson, MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com - Retail http://foohbar.org - ColdFusion Tools --- -- Original Message -- From: Dustin Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:43:33 -0500 Has anyone been having trouble with sending to AOL? I have a lot of users calling because messages to AOL.COM or CS.COM keep getting returned after 3 attempts. It has just started in the last few days. We aren't on AOL's blacklist. I posted this on the Imail list but so far nothing has helped. I seem to get an answer I understand better here usually anyway. Dustin --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
This is being discussed on the CF-Talk list as well. Started up yesterday, I believe. Someone on that list got hold of an AOL admin (as if there really are any) and posted this: | I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries | for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again FWIW, that may just be generic advice from AOL, and not specific to the problem they are having. For at least a year or two, AOL has used the lack of a reverse DNS entry to penalize E-mail as part of their secret (undocumented) anti-spam system. The lack of a reverse DNS entry by itself won't cause an E-mail to be deleted by AOL, but it is used as part of their anti-spam formula (along with the publicly documented system at http://postmaster.info.aol.com , which bounces E-mail rather than deleting it). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
Hi, yes, got complaints yesterday as well (one of our mailing lists) - seems to be back to normal, though. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dustin Freeman Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 02:44 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine? Has anyone been having trouble with sending to AOL? I have a lot of users calling because messages to AOL.COM or CS.COM keep getting returned after 3 attempts. It has just started in the last few days. We aren't on AOL's blacklist. I posted this on the Imail list but so far nothing has helped. I seem to get an answer I understand better here usually anyway. Dustin --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
I understand that AOL just implemented a new spam filter and are having a lot of issues like this.. At your service, Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.800.548.3877 - Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine? Hi, yes, got complaints yesterday as well (one of our mailing lists) - seems to be back to normal, though. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dustin Freeman Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 02:44 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine? Has anyone been having trouble with sending to AOL? I have a lot of users calling because messages to AOL.COM or CS.COM keep getting returned after 3 attempts. It has just started in the last few days. We aren't on AOL's blacklist. I posted this on the Imail list but so far nothing has helped. I seem to get an answer I understand better here usually anyway. Dustin --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/01/2002 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
Our reverse DNS is fine,(checked it on dnsstuff.com) I went to postmaster.info.aol.com and nothing there helped. We are not getting the message from AOL, it appears that it comes from our server after trying to send the message 3 times and failing each time. I haven't had a chance to check the smtp log. Our server has had a noticeable increase in load the last few days as a result of all the attempts and replies I'd suspect. I'll wait till tomorrow and see if the problem still exists. If anyone has any updates from AOL let me know on or off list. Dustin -Original Message- From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine? This is being discussed on the CF-Talk list as well. Started up yesterday, I believe. Someone on that list got hold of an AOL admin (as if there really are any) and posted this: | I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries | for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again FWIW, that may just be generic advice from AOL, and not specific to the problem they are having. For at least a year or two, AOL has used the lack of a reverse DNS entry to penalize E-mail as part of their secret (undocumented) anti-spam system. The lack of a reverse DNS entry by itself won't cause an E-mail to be deleted by AOL, but it is used as part of their anti-spam formula (along with the publicly documented system at http://postmaster.info.aol.com , which bounces E-mail rather than deleting it). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL problem or mine?
Our reverse DNS is fine,(checked it on dnsstuff.com) I went to postmaster.info.aol.com and nothing there helped. We are not getting the message from AOL, it appears that it comes from our server after trying to send the message 3 times and failing each time. It sounds like AOL is having some problems on their end. I would recommend setting IMail to try E-mail more than 3 times, though (unless perhaps you have a long delay between each attempt), as many transient failures can take more than 3 tries before they are fixed (such as in this case). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] AOL blocks MS e-mail - Interesting
America Online said Monday that it temporarily had blocked e-mail coming through servers from Microsoft's bCentral, a Web service focused on small businesses. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-941128.html --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by F-Proto Virus Scanner] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
